The Ultimate WWE Thread

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They're doing it to get more views because the lack of superstar X on brand Y is clearly why it's shit. It can't possibly be the dogshit storylines, crap matches etc etc.

I guess they could boost the ratings through the roof if they have THE BEST IN THE WORLD wrestling on both shows.

[Ian]

Regardless, if Fox want rid of it then I guess the people stumping up a billion get what they want.

[Disco]

On that subject:

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They've been struggling to hit 2m most weeks.

[Disco]

Fox will presumably be promoting it fairly heavily so they're probably hoping for a bump from that. Won't help long term as it solves none of the issues with the shows.

[Ian]

Cole vs. Riddle was a really good match. Belair vs. Yim was one of the chattiest I've seen in a while that didn't involve Cena bellowing spots at people.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://wrestletalk.com/news/wwe-to-air-previously-lost-bret-hart-vs-tom-magee-match-after-raw/

One of the greatest mysteries in sports-entertainment history has been found and you’ll be able to see it along with a documentary explaining the story on WWE Network after Raw on Monday.

On Dec. 6, 1986, Bret “Hit Man” Hart faced Tom Magee in an untelevised tryout match in Rochester, New York. After the bell sounded and Magee’s hand was raised, he was labeled the next Hulk Hogan, but since the bout was untelevised, footage became lost over time … until today.

VHS tape traders tried in vain to chase down the cassette of Hart vs. Magee for three decades to no avail, but it was recently discovered as part of “Hit Man’s” tape library and is available Monday after Raw on WWE Network. Check out this classic match and get the full story on how the tape was discovered, what happened to Tom Magee, and much more by watching The Holy Grail: The Search for WWE’s Most Infamous Lost Match, streaming Monday after Raw

Sweet.

[Baz]

No mention of the Lars Sullivan scandal?

And for the people who are saying that this stuff was already known among wrestling fans and is not new knowledge, that's not really the point of this thread. It's more to raise awareness of how this guy is not really getting any pushback from the WWE despite the fact that this stuff is out in the open.

https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/004/346/137/dd26ea6d2d383e0c02fb6aaf1b60cb24_crop_exact.jpg?h= 533&w=800&q=70&crop_x=center&crop_y=top

Lars Sullivan is a wrestler who recently debuted on the WWE main roster in April. He's currently in the middle of receiving a push up the ranks on TV, and it seems that WWE has big plans for him.

He was recently found to have an account on the BodyBuilding.com message board that he was previously active on. There had been sporadic reports over the past few months that a lot of his posts on that message board were racist, homophobic, and misogynistic (among other things).

But last night, someone on Reddit took the time to accumulate many of Lars' posts in order to exemplify just how terrible of a person he truly is:


https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/blxwyg/a_comprehensive_list_of_links_and_screenshots/





Here's just a sample of some of his viewpoints:





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[Shindig]

Yeah, that forum's a goldmine. I'm sure mert had an account.

[Browning]

Elias in Liverpool is the greatest thing WWE has done in ages. :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Oh that must be cracking viewing.

[Ian]

Covering the Beatles in a City shirt.

Excellent.

[Disco]

Cesaro was at the GP lifting tyres around like a loon.

[Ian]

Meanwhile Jack Swagger won a Bellator fight and then talked about his boner.

[Browning]

Undertaker vs Goldberg :lol:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

HHH against Orton too, fuck me.

[Ian]

I'm not fucking watching this one. But lol at using Taker vs. Goldberg now, on that.

[Disco]

They're headlining a show in Saudi Arabia with Bill Goldberg?

Breaking down barriers lads.

[Pleb]

When's Bootista coming out of retirement again?

[Gray Fox]

So the Firefly Fun House has taken a bit of a turn.

[Disco]

Taka Michinoku not only looks the same as he did in 1999 but his new entrance music just has a 'motherfucker' right there in the middle of it.

[Ian]

So the Firefly Fun House has taken a bit of a turn.

That is surely not how he's going to be coming to the ring?

Also why the fuck is O'Shea losing to Jezza?

[Gray Fox]

That is surely not how he's going to be coming to the ring?

That's got me interested now. I'm assuming it's a full repackage. Entrance and all, which is a shame. His old one was fantastic but just got associated with him and his feud losing streak.
I could see a more ring friendly mask, but the attire otherwise should be okay.

[Shindig]

It's Slipknot as fuck.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That is surely not how he's going to be coming to the ring?

Also why the fuck is O'Shea losing to Jezza?

Because they've pushed through the initial 'Let's give them a push to show the people we care about NXT' phase and now it's time to bury him.

He'll probably be off the TV within a month or just doing comedy spots/looking longingly at a ladder in the back.

[Gray Fox]

I must have missed the part where Seth Rollins became both my most favourite and hated wrestler in the world at the same time.

[Shindig]

Shagging Becky will do that.

[Ian]

Smackdown's opening segment sounds like a laugh.

SUPER STAR SHAKE-UP! WILDCARDS! ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN! UNPREDICTABILITY!
*starts with Miz TV w/ Reigns on both Raw and Smackdown*

[Ian]

Meanwhile, the AEW signings news we've all been waiting for:
http://whatculture.com/wwe/earl-hebner-joins-aew-other-referees-announced

[Disco]

Because they've pushed through the initial 'Let's give them a push to show the people we care about NXT' phase and now it's time to bury him.

That was never the reason, it was to get a ratings bump from the hype/introduction of new 'stars', hence why they just took the four top guys rather than doing it sensibly. Now that new wrestler smell has worn off they'll be into the shuffle with the rest of the jobbers.

In other news Sho vs Shingo Takagi was a fucking blast, and wasn't even the main event of night one of BOSJ. :drool:

[Ian]

http://whatculture.com/wwe/wwe-uk-rights-heading-to-bt-sport

Oh well, guess I won't be fast-forward through Raw and Smackdown for the good bits.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Ashley Massaro is dead.

No word on cause yet.

[SvN]

Sounds like suicide.

[Ian]

I know the name but don't really know who she is. I'm assuming she was prominent during the years I'd given up watching.

[Browning]

Parts of her were prominent for sure.

Very sad though, didn’t she have kids? Must admit when my friend asked me if I heard about the wrestling death this morning she would have been very low on the list of guesses.

[Ian]

An 18 year old daughter, according to the BBC article.

[Baz]

Reby Sky called her a junkie a while back.

[Disco]

BOSJ night 2 highlight was (not surprisingly) Bandido vs El Phantasmo. Both of them are in the same block as Ospreay too :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I know the name but don't really know who she is. I'm assuming she was prominent during the years I'd given up watching.

She won DIVA SEARCH.

[Shindig]

She's been pictured with the belt but never won it.

[Browning]

Iron Shiek won twitter with his reaction to grumpy cat.

[Shindig]

I'm going to guess it was all in capital letters and implied he owed him for some coke.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

And then called Hogan a faggot before announcing how many times he's sold out MSG.

Also, Alexa Bliss might be done. She's been pulled from MITB due to another concussion. She only just got cleared after spending months out due to a concussion.

[Pleb]

Money in the Bank is on Sir Andy Mahowry :chief:

[Disco]

That was a weird match.

[Gray Fox]

The BEST in the WORLD.

[Pleb]

Bayley :jayjay:

[Disco]

Why are these twats out, surely it's just the other ladder match left.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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If this isn't the Hardcore title (I don't even need the proper Hardcore rules) I will fucking riot.

[Yaysus]

this was one of the worst PPVs I've watched

[7om]

I watched MITB. First WWE show I've watched in about three years and it's still absolute shit. I really don't know how you guys do it.

[Disco]

Same here really, been gorging on BOSJ all week and I have today off so I thought I'd watch it. Rollings v Styles aside it was pretty guff but Pork winning was lol.

[SvN]

The main event was enjoyable until the end. I also thought AJ v Seth was brilliant.

[Browning]

Fuck me. I called Lesnar winning it as a joke when I went to bed after watch GOT. I have no words for that being right.

[SvN]

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If this isn't the Hardcore title (I don't even need the proper Hardcore rules) I will fucking riot.

Wildcard Title. Put your house on it.

[Disco]

That would make no sense so it will probably happen.

[Browning]

As for the rest of the show.... where to start. I feel like it was monumentally shit, but unlike most WWE shows, it was shit in a funny way, so I somewhat enjoyed watching it. I didn't actually mind the Women's stuff.... Becky 2 Belts was stupid and had to end, and this was a decent enough way to do it, even if they probably should have avoided chalking up another cheap title reign to Charlotte to get her to Ric's record. The Braun/Sami backstage stuff was so bad that it was bordering on parody, which again, somehow made it entertaining.

The constant "OH MY GOD THE REF'S ARE FUCKING UP?!?!" was bizarre. Like.... what are they even doing with that? Unless Foley's new title is the VAR Title, I don't get it.

[Disco]

The officiating was odd, clearly not planned or (surely) the commentary would have clued in the viewers in some way. Having Becky (ie your top face) losing at all seemed odd to me but the upshot was a nice 'moment'. Sums up the show really, a couple of nice results and lots of good moves etc but the actual wrestling was very average in my opinion.

Miz v Shane for example, where do you even begin on that shitshow.

[Browning]

I think it had to be planned. If it wasn't planned then so many wrestlers fucked up, and so many refs too. The commentators yelling about it all makes it definitely seem planned. The only thing that makes me question it is why they had Lacey legitimately beat Becky clean, only for a referee to screw her... but yea, wouldn't put that past WWE.

Oh and yea.... LOL at Miz Vs Shane, especially Renee's outraged "HE FELL TO HIS VICTORY?!" sarcastic reaction while they then tried to defend WM. Most cage matches end with someone falling to victory.... that's literally the aim.

[Pleb]

Lesnar :drool:

[Disco]

The logic of a cage match coming after a no holds barred go anywhere match like they had at WM is also very odd. And then to have Miz lose is even sillier, presumably they're trying to make him look like a chump but to what end?

Perhaps I was in the wrong frame of mind at that point but the whole show seemed a bit weird, from the crowd to the refs and the booking.

[Pleb]

The whole show was a massive gongshow from start to finish though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Watching now (I've had almost all of it spoiled), fucking lol at how stupid they made Mandy look.

Just staring open mouthed with her hand touching the briefcase with no effort to take it down.

Nice to see them continuing to make Joe look like a mong in title matches too.

The refs, lol. What in the actual fuck? Clear three count in both of the Becky matches.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Styles/Rollins was great.

The counter into the Styles Clash was lovely.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That was one of my favourite MITB matches until Baroque turned up.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Also, they were all told that Mustafa Ali was winning right up until just before the fight and then told about BAROQUE.

I've also heard a rumour that the new belt is the LEGENDS CHAMPIONSHIP which will be fought for by Taker and Goldberg, LOL.

[Gray Fox]

So the old 24/7 rule Hardcore title minus the Hardcore bit.

[7om]

I just saw Foley's announcement. No wonder the crowd booed, the belt looks like a 9 year old designed it.

[Ian]

I have decidedly mixed feelings about MITB. Ignoring the really shortstuff and barring the Cruiserweight title match which did nothing for me I thought most of the matches were pretty decent in an of themselves. Even the cage match if you were to pretend it wasn't Shane McMahon suddenly being invincible in his dotage.

But every one of them bar, I think, Rollins / Styles (he didn't even spend half the match holding his knee!) has a fairly significant gripe.

Why have the Becky Two Belts thing fall at the first hurdle? What were the referees doing? Why have they turned Miz face just to make him look like a chump? Why have 7 guys (well, 6 and Keith) put their all into a generally really good MITB ladder match when they may as well have just had 20 minutes of Vince gargling Bork's balls?

So yeah, weird. There's plenty I liked about it but almost nothing that isn't tainted by more idiotic WWE decision making.

Also lol at that belt Foley unveiled. Should've been the old tatty one.

[igor_balis]

Who's watching double or nothing then?

[Mike]

I honestly can’t wait for it. Not watched any WWE since ‘Mania

[Queenslander]

Who's watching double or nothing then?

:cool:

[Disco]

Neville v Hangman is out later today and SCU v UWE is already on youtube (along with their great Rocky 4 montage).

[Disco]

Also, BOSJ is back tomorrow and I think it's Ospreay v ELP :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That belt :lol:

[Ian]

Was reading some MITB stuff there and was reminded that Michael Cole's "What is wrong with these guys?" was the best thing he's done in yonks.

I properly lol'd.

And this was a belter:
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[Pleb]

Thought the match was proper lol till Lesnar turned up and memes happened. Overall 2/10.

[Disco]

Are there any nice belts in WWE?

Intercontinental maybe but only because they've resisted the urge to make a shitty plastic version.

[Pleb]

Universal atm iirc.

[Disco]

Not a chance, it looks like something you get out of a cereal packet.

[Pleb]

:D

[Ian]

Are there any nice belts in WWE?

Intercontinental maybe but only because they've resisted the urge to make a shitty plastic version.

Main roster? No. IC title is it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I like the NXT North American a lot.

[Disco]

I'll give you that one, for me it's that one plus the UK mens and womens. The rest are gopping.

https://i.imgur.com/J312EOT.jpg

[Ian]

Actually good: IC title, NA title, NXT UK mens and womens
Fine: NXT mens and womens, NXT tag

Everything else can sod off.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah forgot about the two single uk championships. They're also so very British.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Also Massaro died due to suicide by hanging.

[Browning]

As if Truth hasn't lost the title yet. Is it 24/7 as long as there's an event on and a suitable break in the event where no match is happening?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's only 24/7 whilst the cameras are rolling.

I imagine we'll get some comedic title changes along the way. I seem to remember a fairground and supermarket one for the hardcore title.

Maybe we go to the Doctors office this time.

[SvN]

I imagine there'll be the odd social media post and other title changes will be at house shows.

[Shindig]

Miz and Maryse exchange the title a couple of times whilst in bed. Vince will book that.

[Disco]

Technically the first ever AEW match.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjCSeXMjtJw&list=WL&index=4&t=1165s

[Queenslander]

Tye Dillinger has signed for AEW.

[Ian]

I'm glad Kofi hasn't just been buried post-Mania but is Ziggler really the best they can do?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Probably just a place holder for Saudi Arabia tbh. Quick feud and another defence.

They love a shitter HBK over there.

[Ian]

Well it'd be a placeholder whatever show it was on, whether it be Oil Money or the next main one after that... "Stomping Grounds." Which is a shit name.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://whatculture.com/amp/wwe/wwe-stomping-grounds-card-leaked

Fuck off.

[Ian]

Yeah, saw that.

If true then ol' Jezza's career path in WWE has been a bit mental.

- NXT career that never really took off
- Called up to main roster. Probably as one of them "this'll make him or break him" type call-ups like Elias.
- Largely midcard nothingness with no real threat of a proper push outside some decent performances in matches with a few people in or more
- MITB winner!
- Jobbed out and made to look a mug when he tries to cash in and back to midcard obscurity he goes
- "The Constable"
- Blamed for basically all of Raw's ills and jobs, like, all the time
- Suddenly involved in a stuff with big names
- Retires one of the greatest ever with a clean win
- Being nudged towards the main event again

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I like how their solution to the ratings problem is more Jezza.

Oh and even crapper storyline ofc.

[Ian]

Keep adding Jezza until Stockholm Syndrome sets in.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Tbf I kind of like the whole X's favoutie son shtick. Maybe it's working.

[Pleb]

https://whatculture.com/amp/wwe/wwe-stomping-grounds-card-leaked

Fuck off.
What's wrong with that? :baz:

[Queenslander]

Ospreay is truly amazing atm.

[Ian]

This Ashley Massaro stuff is getting ugly.

http://whatculture.com/wwe/wwe-respond-to-ashley-massaro-abuse-allegations

[Queenslander]

I believe it 100%. How the WWE hasnt had their me too moment is bizarre.

[Ian]

That may be the logical conclusion of all the current unrest among the roster.

Because let's be honest WWE has plenty of other stuff to worry about when you consider substance abuse, racism, bullying, welfare, etc.

EDIT: And surprise, surprise, apparently the WWE roster also hates the wildcard rule with one describing it as a 'crutch', which it is.

Reading about what's happening off-screen is more interesting than their average TV episode at the moment.

[Ian]

Why do we have another Takeover coming up? Not that I'm complaining, like.

[Pleb]

I assume they want to do more one off specials alongside Mania, SummerSlam and Survivor Series NXT shows.

[Pleb]

Just looked at the card :drool:

Adam Cole Baybay is finally getting a title shot it seems and Tyler Breeze has been relegated to NXT to job to The Dream much to Mahow's sheer delight.

[Ian]

By "finally" do you mean "two months after he had one already?"

Also Breeze should be fucking delighted at his "relegation." Build up his rep a bit before he leaves, whenever his contract is up.

[Ian]

So when Ali was told he'd be losing out at the end of the MITB he himself was already a replacement for the original plan of McIntyre.

If the creative / backstage types at WWE are just phoning it in it sounds increasingly difficult to blame them.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Breeze has been campaigning for months to get 'relegated'.

[Disco]

Not surprising really, he spent ages being ignored on the main roster then turned up in NXT unannounced and the crowd went fucking mental for him. He's probably been camping outside Regals house trying to get back in.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think he was a regular on Main Event but only about 20 people watch that.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://whatculture.com/amp/wwe/wwes-sasha-banks-gets-lip-tattoo

Mong.

[Mike]

Anyone staying up for Double or Nothing?
I’m going to grab it when I get up.

[igor_balis]

Anyone staying up for Double or Nothing?
I’m going to grab it when I get up.

aye me and a couple of mates watching it at someone's house, hope it ain't shite!

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'll download it later in HD.

No chance I'm waiting up.

[igor_balis]

What a good battle royal. great start.

[igor_balis]

What a fucking show that was

[phonics]

I enjoyed most of that but the Japanese womens tag match was dogshit and the final match was everything awful about post attitude era wrestling summed up by the finisher being some sort of shitty spinning elbow.

Jericho's body is defined by it's undefinedness.

I liked that all the chairs outside the ring could fit in in my nans dining room.

[Ian]

" Jericho then hit his new finisher, a spinning backfist called the Judas Effect, and pinned Omega."

Just fuck off.

[Mike]

Just finished it. Great stuff overall I’d say. That Japanese women’s match was duff, as was the three on three men’s tag match. Enjoyed the rest though.

[igor_balis]

in the weirdest mystic meg moment of my life, when brandi came out i turned to my mates and said "she's gonna add awesome kong to the match", i shit you not. i do make outlandish predictions like that all the time so even a stopped clock etc etc but i was still proud.

[Disco]

The Joshi match was good you mongs. Jericho looks done, absolutely carried by Omega in that.

[Queenslander]

It makes sense to have Jericho as the inaugural champ imo. But jesus he needs to go easy on the booze.

[Queenslander]

Moxley challenging Juice is gonna be a good one.

[phonics]

The Joshi match was good you mongs. Jericho looks done, absolutely carried by Omega in that.

They were both awful. Absolute lumps meandering about.

[Disco]

If you watched that match and thought Omega was awful then I don't know what you want out of wrestling. He's one of the top two or three guys in the entirety of wrestling at the moment.

[phonics]

If you watched that match and thought Omega was awful then I don't know what you want out of wrestling. He's one of the top two or three guys in the entirety of wrestling at the moment.

Yeah but you also thought the womens tag team match where they couldn't even lift each other up for suplexes was good. So clearly our tastes differ. It's like when all the Japanophiles said AJ Styles was the greatest thing ever when the WWE signed him and I've not seen him have one good match.

[Disco]

Did you ever consider what that might mean? (And his very last match again Rollings was good)

[SvN]

I actually think that's first time I've ever seen someone say AJ is shit.

[phonics]

I didn't say he was shit I just said he wasn't this god of wrestling that the WWE were ignoring for years that was being portrayed.

When you go from the Rhodes brothers match and the Tag Match after it, it all looks a bit Sid v Hogan.

[Disco]

I'd agree with that ordering but I'd also say that it's very hard to follow a match which had the crowd and the participants in tears and a tag match between the best tag team of the last 5-10 years and the best tag team around right now (neither match was empty of botches either if that's going to be your metric).

On Styles, I suggest you go and watch some of his older matches, anything with him and Okada from about 5 years ago or further back his stuff from TNA in the early 2000's. In WWE it's different but him against Cena or Reigns from 2016(?) is on par with any of his earlier work. WWE is where you go to make money not to have great wrestling matches, it just isn't their priority (look at Nakamuras output since joining the company for the ur-example). You only have to look at the people itching to get out, it's a creatively stifling place if you aren't on the same page.

[SvN]

Styles is brilliant in the WWE. You don't have to go back 5 years to see a good match from him.

[Ian]

AJ's had loads of good WWE matches.

Quite Phonics actually wants from his wrestling I don't know.

[Browning]

He has indeed had quite a few good WWE matches, but I do find, even when he has a shit match, people want to jack off to him. I thought him Vs Shane for example with dreadful (understandably so, but regardless) and people still felt the need to rave about it. In fact the only time I can recall his matches being criticised by the majority were against Nakamura, and even that was usually "It was good... but I wanted more".

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Watching Double or Nothing now.

Dustin Thomas with a 619 :cool:

Edit: Orange Cassidy is fucking amazing.

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Absolute don.

[Ian]

Sounds like a stellar episodes of Raw. "This is boring" and "AEW" chants and nearly an hour before they got to their first wrestling match..... which was Shane vs. some member of the Anoa'i family nobody cares about.

Don't ever change, WWE.

[Queenslander]

Moxley on Jericho's podcast is a great yarn. Thoroughly unloads on Vince.

[Disco]

It's great:

"If there were no other promotions I still would have left WWE, if there were no other wrestlers I would still have left. I would have started my own school and trained my own opponent, re-seeded the wrestling world."

:D

[Queenslander]

Don Moxley.

[7om]

Just listened to the Moxley interview. Damn, I really wasn't expecting him to go in on WWE and Vince like he did. The bridge is well and truly burned and he doesn't give the slightest fuck. It really reminded me of Punk's interview with Colt Cabana as the topics raised were almost identical.

Vince doesn't listen, acts dumb when people complain and actively sabotages careers. It sounds absolutely cancerous and even Moxley himself admitted he fell into a semi-depression towards the end.

[SvN]

He'll 100% be back at some point.

[Disco]

He won't, even when Vince has gone it would seem unlikely.

[Lewis]

My brother knows some rasslin' people, and apparently you can make so much money through your own merchandise now that, if you're popular with the nerds (as Jo Nmoxley will surely be), it isn't worth your while going to WWE unless you know you're going to be a top geezer and get the big pay-days to compensate for having to sell your shit through them.

[Ian]

Vince will still be clinging on and ruining as much as he can once Nambrose has retired.

[Baz]

So was “Jon Mosley” actually good before he was seemingly forced to wrestle as Ricky Gervais’ Derek character? Because the pop was huge, albeit mostly from JR, and I was surprised to see him coming in and battering the top boy. Due to me being unfamiliar with him as a good wrestler, it was like if Tajiri has gone over to ECW and jackhammered RVD off a pile of poker chips. :cab:

[Disco]

Well I read today that Jo Nmoxley is also going to enter the G1, which will prove it one way or the other. Also, Tajiri is very good.

[Ian]

Ambrose was solid in WWE. but because he was MENTAL he got stuck in those dead-end feuds. He's not a guy, from WWE experience anyway, who's going to elevate his opponent but he can hang with somebody good. And the crowds almost always loved him so he was bound to get a good pop.

[Lewis]

He was rubbish with his one-note promos and stupid hand stance.

[Browning]

Now we just need to lose Roman or Seth. Until that happens we're only ever 30 minutes away from them starting another feud or teaming up.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I never got Ambrose as I missed the SHIELD days.

I just knew him as a snarly mid-carder with a crap DDT.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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I would be very happy with this.

[Queenslander]

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I would be very happy with this.

If they are allowed the freedom from the ROH days then it will be the best thing going in WWE.

[Queenslander]

Im not sure how Jericho v Okada plays out have you got any thoughts? Disco

[Disco]

It would seem unlikely that they would put their title on Jericho but I thought that about the IC belt too. They could maybe use that to try and sell tickets for their US G1 shows but I assume that's what Nmoxley is for.

So my guess would be Okada winning, possibly a shady dq or interference if they don't want Jericho to eat the pin.

[Gray Fox]

Heyman has been on Twitter to say Brock is cashing in on Mondays RAW.

Guess AEW hit them hard.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Rematch on Saudi money show then.

[Browning]

Featuring Baron Corbin.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What an event.

[Pleb]

Heyman has been on Twitter to say Brock is cashing in on Mondays RAW.
You would thought they save it for Saudi.

[Disco]

It's as likely to be an attempt to get people to watch all three hours of Raw, I bet he does nothing of the sort.

[Gray Fox]

I reckon he gets "stopped" on his way to the ring or we have one of those Ref is a retard moments where it takes way too long to explain the rules to him and Seth runs off.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Cashes in unsuccessfully but goes batshit mad (F5s everywhere) and Vince puts him into the GLORIOUS SAUDI MONEY match.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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He has been saying he wants a WM match with Baroque and to retire him.

[John]

Watched that AEW event last night and really enjoyed it. The actual wrestling seemed to be of a far higher standard than any WWE I've seen recently, with the Rhodes brothers being probably the most I've enjoyed a match since I was properly into wrestling during the Attitude era. I'll definitely be watching more from them.

Viceland have released a series called 'The Wrestlers', which consists of some beardy musician going around the world to have a look at various independent wrestling scenes. The first episode was chiefly concerned with Evolve in the US and was very good, although their booking man who seemed to be the focus of the episode looked so much like a chubby Jools Holland that it was a constant distraction.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm still slowly going through the AEW PPV.

Watched Best Friends vs Angelico and small runt which was great, the female Japanese match (some good moments but largely duff) and the Rhodesathon which was quality.

Stunned by how much blood was pouring from Dustin.

[Ian]

Did you guys buy it or is it all up on Daily Motion or something?

Also forgot there was a takeover tonight. It not being ahead of a Big Four is really throwing me off.

[John]

Torrent.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Did you guys buy it or is it all up on Daily Motion or something?

Also forgot there was a takeover tonight. It not being ahead of a Big Four is really throwing me off.

Yeah it's a bit strange.

I'm a few weeks back on NXT as well which is annoying.

[Queenslander]

It would seem unlikely that they would put their title on Jericho but I thought that about the IC belt too. They could maybe use that to try and sell tickets for their US G1 shows but I assume that's what Nmoxley is for.

So my guess would be Okada winning, possibly a shady dq or interference if they don't want Jericho to eat the pin.

I understand it is impossible at the moment but Jericho bringing the IWGP title back to AEW would be the biggest storyline since the NWO formed.

[Baz]

Did you guys buy it or is it all up on Daily Motion or something?

Also forgot there was a takeover tonight. It not being ahead of a Big Four is really throwing me off.Wrestling On Demand Kodi repo.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Just finished the first match and I had forgotten just how good Roddy is as a singles competitor and he was a perfect opponent for Riddle.

That is some opener.

[Ian]

Strong vs. Riddle was a really good match and I like that Riddle doesn't seem to settle on any one way to finish a match, it lends an air of unpredictability. And Strong is really good. I think I actually prefer him in NXT to the PWG stuff I saw where against some of the more gimmicky shit he seemed quite vanilla in comparison. I expect by next Takeover he'll be taking on Dream so UE can have all the gold with UE to be taking it off the Street Profits before or at that show too.

The main event was good but needed about 400 less superkicks and at times they were being a bit too clever for their own good. Dream / Breeze was solid and Breeze changing up his act a little so that Dream and his flamboyance could take centre stage was good. Hopefully Breeze sticks around in NXT. The womens match was also solid and I thought built up nicely as it went along.

I really liked the tag match though, despite not having especially high hopes for it before hand. I didn't expect anything other than a UE win or for Forgotten Sons to retain, but what I really liked was how chaotic it seemed. But not in the way usually where you can see them checking off a list of spots they've agreed on, I thought it seemed really fluid and the use of the ladders was good. Couple of bits I wasn't sure if they were botches or what but there were quite a few nasty looking bumps in there.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Those bumps that Fish and O'Reilly (christ his back) took were pretty nasty.

Street Profits :cool:

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I never thought they'd win the titles but they've stepped it up this year (I loved that tag match against the War/Viking Raiders/Experience where they tried to blitz them) and fully deserve them.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Strong vs. Riddle was a really good match and I like that Riddle doesn't seem to settle on any one way to finish a match, it lends an air of unpredictability. And Strong is really good. I think I actually prefer him in NXT to the PWG stuff I saw where against some of the more gimmicky shit he seemed quite vanilla in comparison. I expect by next Takeover he'll be taking on Dream so UE can have all the gold with UE to be taking it off the Street Profits before or at that show too.

The main event was good but needed about 400 less superkicks and at times they were being a bit too clever for their own good. Dream / Breeze was solid and Breeze changing up his act a little so that Dream and his flamboyance could take centre stage was good. Hopefully Breeze sticks around in NXT. The womens match was also solid and I thought built up nicely as it went along.

I really liked the tag match though, despite not having especially high hopes for it before hand. I didn't expect anything other than a UE win or for Forgotten Sons to retain, but what I really liked was how chaotic it seemed. But not in the way usually where you can see them checking off a list of spots they've agreed on, I thought it seemed really fluid and the use of the ladders was good. Couple of bits I wasn't sure if they were botches or what but there were quite a few nasty looking bumps in there.

H has said that Breeze is back properly which is good. I felt that their match was a little off at times but that looked like it was simply to do with a lack of chemistry right now.

The only thing I didn't like about the women's match was the stupid pin Io did to seal Shayna's win. 'Let me just put my neck right here on a plate for you' but the chairsault was good and should lead to a hardcore match with them.

Main event was a bit superkick heavy and not quite as good as their 2/3 match but some spots were glorious (Panama Sunrise to the floor) and I liked the ruthlessness of Cole targetting Gargano's knee.

Also, hopefully Bobby's arm is ok and I've seen pictures of KOR's back which looks horrible.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's only 24/7 whilst the cameras are rolling.

I imagine we'll get some comedic title changes along the way. I seem to remember a fairground and supermarket one for the hardcore title.

Maybe we go to the Doctors office this time.

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Golf course.

Jinder with the shortest reign.

[Disco]

Eric Bugenhagen will now be known as Rik Bugez. That was the best thing about him.

[Queenslander]

I hope I can sneak away for the BOSJ tonight.

I have Moxley, Shingo and Jay White winning.

[Ian]

Eric Bugenhagen will now be known as Rik Bugez. That was the best thing about him.

Also that ex rugger man being called "Ridge Holland."

Fucking Ridge.

[Ian]

...."all three"?

[Queenslander]

...."all three"?

Yeah I had a 'breakdown' the night of Wrestle Kindom and lost a grip on reality. None of the accounts are being billed anymore.

Everytime I try and reset my password nothing happens.

[Ian]

For a minute I thought you meant you were actively paying for three.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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That line, fucking hell.

[Ian]

I assume the line he references that he did say is the "Roman is paying for his sins" one.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Catching up on RAW and I LOVE that we have Reigns as a permanent wildcard so we can get build up to his HOT FEUD with THE BEST IN THE WORLD.

This is what we need.

[Ian]

I'm not even skimming through them this week. 5 hours of programming and under an hour of wrestling?

You're alright.

[Ian]

And Jericho has already call that "leak" a lie.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Yowie Wowie.

[Disco]

I'm not even skimming through them this week. 5 hours of programming and under an hour of wrestling?

You're alright.

It's weeks since I bothered to download either show, aside from laughing at how rubbish it is I reckon I'm done with it.

[Ian]

I mean I'd have watched O'Shea vs. Cesaro were it being done for any particular reason.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I mean I'd have watched O'Shea vs. Cesaro were it being done for any particular reason.

It was a good match (one of the better matches they've had on RAW in a long time) but yeah it's a bit of a meh feud.

[Lewis]

That line, fucking hell.

Wouldn't have raised an eyebrow twenty years ago.

[Ian]

I did like the clip I saw recently of Rhyno in ECW literally threatening to kill Sandman's family if he didn't give him a title shot at the end of whatever PPV it was.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What's the point of Finn going Demon in Saudi Arabia? Why is he doing it for two PPVs in a row for the Intercontinental championship? Why did he not do it when he was facing Baroque?

Oh and I what reception Goldberg will get being a mega Jew.

[Browning]

That alleged line was already refuted by Jericho as being total bollocks.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I thought he said that it was the line but that he didn't leak it.

Also, Jericho constantly spouts bullshit these days.

[Disco]

I mean I'd have watched O'Shea vs. Cesaro were it being done for any particular reason.

Or if it wasn't nailed on to be the opposite result the very next week.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Or if it wasn't nailed on to be the opposite result the very next week.

Rick has won two weeks in a row.

[Disco]

Then I suspect he's about to have a bad couple of weeks. 50/50 all the way.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I loved the story about THE RIVALRY from Tom Phillips (or Byron, they blend into one) before the match.

Cesaro only won the first because Rick was injured but Rick winning the second was a HUGE UPSET.

[Ian]

Either they haven't hired their continuity supervisor yet or he/she is just getting as ignored as every fucker else.

[Disco]

The Japanese pronunciation of Jon Moxley is something else, possibly why he's being billed as DEATH RIDER.

Better or worse than Ridge Holland or whatever it was?

[Ian]

I mean, at least DEATH RIDER is just a stupid shit nickname.

What's far stranger is the sight of him in trunks.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

At least he's made his DDT look better.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Natalya (ugh) and Alexa have flown out to Saudi Arabia with rumours about a potential match to show WOMEN MATTER.

[Shindig]

It'll be a good housekeeping match.

[Browning]

If WWE won't let Alexa do anything on RAW or on PPVs, like fuck is she going to wrestle there.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If WWE won't let Alexa do anything on RAW or on PPVs, like fuck is she going to wrestle there.

She came in after a match between Nikki Cross (new best friend because) to DDT and kick one half of The IIconics and she won a triple threat on Smackdown (Charlotte and Carmella included) to become the number 1 contender for the Smackdown belt because the WILDCARD is stupid.

[Ian]

If WWE won't let Alexa do anything on RAW or on PPVs, like fuck is she going to wrestle there.

Think how well that'd sell over there though, if a WOMAN who had the temerity to want to wrestle was punished (by GOD) for it with a horrendous injury.

Vince would just claim he did it on purpose and make plans to hobble Becky Lynch out there next time.

[Disco]

I mean, at least DEATH RIDER is just a stupid shit nickname.

What's far stranger is the sight of him in trunks.

They were a bit unsettling, like Adam Coles knobbly ghost knees.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Jinder is the 24/7 Champion again.

I can see R-Truth reclaiming it by dressing up as a stewardess on the flight.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Truth has won it back by pinning a 'sleeping' Jinder.

R-Truth is going to hold the record for most titles won in WWE with this shit.

[Pleb]

Your loving every minute of this.

[Disco]

Shingo v Ospreay is as good as anything I've seen this year.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Shingo v Ospreay is as good as anything I've seen this year.

It's no Jinder v R-Truth on a plane mate.

[Pleb]

I heard Jon Moxley's NJPW debut was high tier.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Pre-show to the PPV that will be 'the equivalent or better than Wrestlemania' starts at 6pm.

[bruhnaldo]

why on a Friday i dont understand tho

[Browning]

Presumably so it doesn’t impact on RAW.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Saudi Arabia also operates a Friday-Saturday weekend, although they used to do Thursday-Friday.

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Better to put it on Friday so they can have a rest on Saturday after oppressing any women who are at/near the stadium.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Saudi government have rejected the Bliss/Natalya match.

[Ian]

Was the question seriously asked? They already said last year they were never, ever going to allow it.

They're not bringing WWE and boxing and whatever else over because they want change, they're trying to buy acceptance.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Was the question seriously asked? They already said last year they were never, ever going to allow it.

They're not bringing WWE and boxing and whatever else over because they want change, they're trying to buy acceptance.

Maybe they thought they could strong arm them by bringing them over? Possibly showing them that if UAE can do it so could they?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Also, I have a strong feeling that Jezza is going to beat Seth (due to injuries sustained by Baroque) who then instantly loses due to beat box Brock cashing in.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Poor Renee.

Real feel is close to 39c and she's in a black sweater with trousers to hide her DEVIL SKIN.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Lashley and Shane are going to be sweating more than me whilst trying to talk to an attractive female.

[Mike]

Anyone got a link for me? My usual site isn’t showing it

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Free trial the Network?

[Ian]

Are you guys actually watching it? Every single one of these glorified house shows has been utter shit, even by the standard of the depths WWE can plumb.

If I find out after the fact that some match was an absolute banger then I'll go back but sod actually sitting through it for Jezza and Ziggler challenging for titles.


Maybe they thought they could strong arm them by bringing them over? Possibly showing them that if UAE can do it so could they?

I was about to say "they can't possibly be that stupid" but y'know.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The crowd is actually quite hot and they're not showing the bored Crown Princes which is making it feel a lot better.

[Browning]

They couldn’t pay me to watch it.

Well... they probably could actually because seemingly they can pay Yokozuna to come back from the dead, but still.

[Ian]

The crowd is actually quite hot

So they're pumping crowd noise in?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

So they're pumping crowd noise in?

And actors for the hard cam.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The crowd noise speaker has blown, it's dead now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Shane drenched in sweat just walking to the ring.

[Disco]

There was never going to be a women's match, they took them solely do they could say there were women on the trip.

[Shindig]

That's normal for him.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

And STILL BEST IN THE WORLD...

[SvN]

Are you guys actually watching it? Every single one of these glorified house shows has been utter shit, even by the standard of the depths WWE can plumb.

If I find out after the fact that some match was an absolute banger then I'll go back but sod actually sitting through it for Jezza and Ziggler challenging for titles.



I was about to say "they can't possibly be that stupid" but y'know.

I'll never miss a chance to see The Undertaker, even if the match is a total shitshow.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's nice that Triple H is still using his BADASS tricycle.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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The greatest sign ever.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Mansoor to win the 50 Man Rumble.

[Ian]

I'll never miss a chance to see The Undertaker, even if the match is a total shitshow.

I could scarcely be less interested in the Undertaker these days, sadly. He needs to retire ASAP.

[SvN]

If the match is over within 6-7 minutes it will be alright.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If the match is over within 6-7 minutes it will be alright.

It wont be.

Rollins vs. Corbin - 11:15
Balor vs. Andrade - 11:35
Reigns vs. Shane - 09:15
Lars vs. Lucha House Party - 05:15
HHH vs. Orton - 25:45
Strowman vs. Lashley - 08:20

I imagine it will go about the same as H/Orton.

[Browning]

Taker Goldberg? It shouldn't be going more than 25 seconds. If they go 25 minutes they'll both die.

[Ian]

I haven't seen anything to suggest Undertaker is capable of even 7 minutes beyond mindless nostalgia. The man can barely move. And him vs. Goldberg is about 15 years too late.

If they absolutely insist on wheeling him out then let him give whatever shine he's capable of to some workhorse midcarder.