The Ultimate WWE Thread

[Disco]

Kevin Owens won't let Chris Jericho disparage his finger any more... Fuck off Graves.

[Disco]

I think a draft is needed to be fair. So many people need to move.

Smackdown is rather understaffed with Cena buggering off.

[Queenslander]

Nakamura gives me proper old school wrestling goosebumps.

Is that tragic?

[Ian]

Problem is that Smackdown can't afford to lose much but they have to to make the 'shake-up' a thing.

They've done a better job of building up what they have so you'll probably see Raw benefit from some of the work done on Smackdown and then SD get the guys who could do with a bit of a career rehab.

Please to see Nakamura turn up (it's safe to say I've never been so happy to see a violinist) though that whole bit was a bit weird. I hope it's not actually going to be the seed for a feud with Miz because having him come off a Wrestlemania match where he deserved to be given the win only to have his face kicked off by Nakamura...

[wullie]

If Nakamura puts in the work and applies himself, I believe he could be the next Smackdown No 1 Announcer

[Disco]

Problem is that Smackdown can't afford to lose much but they have to to make the 'shake-up' a thing.

They've done a better job of building up what they have so you'll probably see Raw benefit from some of the work done on Smackdown and then SD get the guys who could do with a bit of a career rehab.

Please to see Nakamura turn up (it's safe to say I've never been so happy to see a violinist) though that whole bit was a bit weird. I hope it's not actually going to be the seed for a feud with Miz because having him come off a Wrestlemania match where he deserved to be given the win only to have his face kicked off by Nakamura...

I'm assuming they'll shuffle everyone about a bit and end up with different but more equally balanced rosters, although I think they'll still want their favourites on Raw. Hard to think who else could come up from NXT, DIY and Asuka maybe but other than that everyone is still rather new.

[Lewis]

I'm watching some Raw recap, and I think they've missed a trick not giving Roman Reigns Undertaker's gloves.

[SvN]

He should've come out in the hat and coat as well, not too dissimilar from what AJ did after beating Cena

http://i.imgur.com/ZsI9IhN.png

[Lewis]

That might have been a bit much, since you can't be seen mocking him, but having his PURE STRIKER gloves would be good for his gimmick.

'Ian Web-ly!'
*clap, clap, clap-clap-clap*
'igor_balis!'
*clap, clap, clap-clap-clap*

Such shit fans.

[Lewis]

Miz running like John Cena is brilliant.

[Waffdon]

Miz running like John Cena is brilliant.

So good. :D

[Pleb]

I'm assuming they'll shuffle everyone about a bit and end up with different but more equally balanced rosters, although I think they'll still want their favourites on Raw. Hard to think who else could come up from NXT, DIY and Asuka maybe but other than that everyone is still rather new.
Authors of Pain and all of Sanity would be next as well which would dry NXT clean if that happened minus Glorious Roode.

[Disco]

That might have been a bit much, since you can't be seen mocking him, but having his PURE STRIKER gloves would be good for his gimmick.

'Ian Web-ly!'
*clap, clap, clap-clap-clap*
'igor_balis!'
*clap, clap, clap-clap-clap*

Such shit fans.

Those beachballs can get fucked as well, the Seamus and Cesaro chant from Raw was great though.

[Disco]

Also, the Andre trophy looks like it's made of butter and cost about five pence.

[Ian]

Not that different from Mojo himself, then.

[Disco]

Nice to see Nakamura coming up (the violin bit was pretty good) but feuding with the Miz? Not sure that's a great idea, neither of them really need to lose their next feud.

[Queenslander]

Shibata had to go to hospital after his mental match with Okada.

[Weaver]

13 moves were made last night, some odd and some expected. All but one from Smackdown to Raw so far:
Bray Wyatt
Dean Ambrose and IC Title
The Miz and Maryse
Heath Slater and Rhyno
Alexa Bliss
Apollo Crews
Kalisto
Mickie James
Curt Hawkins

And David Otunga is now going to commentate on Raw with Byron Saxton heading to Smackdown with JBL and Tom Phillips.

I'm guessing Kevin Owens and the US Title will go to Smackdown, Sami Zayn, a tag team and one of the main Raw women. Maybe Titus O'Neil and another midcarder to fill some gaps.

[Browning]

Charlotte has to go to Smackdown, that was obvious before last night but even more so now. She's faced everyone on RAW about 67 times while winning her 36 championships.

The Miz and Ambrose opening was the most entertaining opening to RAW in years.

[Ian]

Good of them to remove any shred of doubt about who was winning the Orton/Wyatt rematch.

[Browning]

Wyatt created the match (in kayfabe) of course he's losing.

[Ian]

He was losing whatever the match type was, gimmicky disaster-to-be or a straight singles. They could at least pretend to give a toot.

[phonics]

I hear JBL might be getting the sack for bullying other wrestlers.

[Browning]

If anything, I think moving Wyatt to RAW makes him winning more likely. Simply because no one will be expecting it now at all. They did something similar with Edge beating Cena after being drafted or something I think.

What I would like to see happen (never will though) is KO goes to Smackdown (that part will surely happen) and Wyatt wins the belt. KO then acts like he's the World Champion on Smackdown but Shane creates a tournament for a new belt which pisses off KO. Before the final match happens, KO cashes in his Universal Title rematch (which he explicitly said on TV he could have any time he wanted before anyone says THIRTY DAYS.... but I fully expect WWE to forget all about that) with Lesnar and wins that, nullifying the tournament and turning the title match into a contenders match. It's kind of similar to what they did with JBL back in the day when he "won" a World Title and then Batista got drafted and so he never got it.

Unfortunately, as I say, it'll never happen. They'd never give someone deserving the rub over Lesnar. They'll just feed him to Roman at Mania.

But yea, not sure it's changed anything in the Wyatt match, he was never getting it back. He never should have got it in the first place.

[Lewis]

Said somebody fifteen years ago. I would be sacking Braun Strowman. If he can turn ambulances over, everyone he touches will almost certainly die.

[Browning]

I liked that the ambulance falling over made the noise of an anorexic stepping on a slightly creaky floorboard.

[Queenslander]

Surprise, surprise Cornette likes JBL.

[7om]

Shibata had to go to hospital after his mental match with Okada.

I watched Sakura Genesis. Okada vs Shibata is hands down the best match I've ever seen.

[Pleb]

So when is Haitch going to sign The Young Bucks to feud with The Delete Brothers?

[Queenslander]

I watched Sakura Genesis. Okada vs Shibata is hands down the best match I've ever seen.

Shibata has had great push this year and is definitely a future title holder. Okada is just a freak he has had nothing but quality matches since I have started watching NJPW and I highly recommend going back to his match v Omega followed by his match v Suzuki.

Shibata's Japan Cup run is worth an eye as well especially his very stiff match with fellow strong style mentalist Ishii. Ishii's 4.75 star 1st round match v Omega is another cracker.

The best thing about NJPW is how much they rotate their roster.

[Browning]

Thank Christ they didn't break up Zayn and KO.

[7om]

Shibata has had great push this year and is definitely a future title holder. Okada is just a freak he has had nothing but quality matches since I have started watching NJPW and I highly recommend going back to his match v Omega followed by his match v Suzuki.

Shibata's Japan Cup run is worth an eye as well especially his very stiff match with fellow strong style mentalist Ishii. Ishii's 4.75 star 1st round match v Omega is another cracker.

The best thing about NJPW is how much they rotate their roster.

Yeah, there's a lot to watch but I'm already excited for the Dontaku show on May 3rd. Signing up for NJPW World might be one of the best decisions I've ever made.

I finished off Genesis Monday afternoon and then Raw came on just after. I almost vomited.

[Queenslander]

It's a whole load of meh in comparison.

[Disco]

I'm into Feb 2001 and while I know the payoff for the Linda McMahon coma story is going to be great it really is incredibly creepy. Can you imagine the meeting where Vince pitched it?

[Shindig]

To himself.

[Ian]

Bischoff and Cornette are going to on the same Table for 3 (along with Hayes, but who cares about him) which could be good.


I'm into Feb 2001 and while I know the payoff for the Linda McMahon coma story is going to be great it really is incredibly creepy. Can you imagine the meeting where Vince pitched it?

Remind me what your trawl is? Is it all the TV shows or something? When I'm done with mine very soon I think I'll make a start on some of the WCW stuff.

[Disco]

I started at the first episode of Raw and watched all the PPVs too, I might consider folding Smackdown in once the first draft happens.

[Ian]

Are you watching every match on each PPV?

[Disco]

Most of them, at this point the mid-card is pretty great so there's no need to skip very much.

[Queenslander]

Okay so Shibata's injury is an almighty work.

[Disco]

William Regal as Commissioner. :cool:

[phonics]

What year did Mark Henry have sex with the old lady?

When the old lady gave birth to a fully grown adult hand because someone punched her in the stomach was the day my wrestling dream died. I never tuned in again.

[Disco]

2000, I watched that not long ago. In the grand scheme of things it's firmly in the silly bracket, it's nowhere near as bad as the corpse rape stuff or even some of the general attitudes on show basically every week.

[phonics]

I was 12. A fat man was having sex with an old lady and they gave birth to a hand. It wasn't the bad sexual politics of it all that put me off.

[Queenslander]

Stop wasting your time and watch NJPW you cunts

[7om]

Okay so Shibata's injury is an almighty work.

What? Weren't there direct quotes from the hospital saying he had bleeding on the brain or something? What is going on?

[Ian]

Speaking of Network trawls, Cody/Goldust vs. Rollins/Reigns for the Rhodes' jobs / tag titles isn't on the level of Malenko / Scotty 2 Hotty for biggest surprise classic I've found on the Network but it was still a corker of a match.

EDIT: Onto Hell in a Cell '13 and the opening tag match of Rhodeseses vs. Usos vs. Reigns/Rollins. Cole and Lawler both start talking about there being three men in the ring at any given time.

I bet NJPW waste their time on commentators who understand what they're commentating on.

[Queenslander]

Metlzer said it's probably to cover something else.

They just call it like a sport.

[Ian]

They just call it like a sport.

Was that a "Yeah but seriously, though-" or did you think I was defending Cole and Lawler's ineptitude?

[Queenslander]

Just a case of my internet autism kicking in.

[Ian]

Just you wait until they see sense and get Otunga on there.

[Pleb]

Onto Hell in a Cell '13 and the opening tag match of Rhodeseses vs. Usos vs. Reigns/Rollins. Cole and Lawler both start talking about there being three men in the ring at any given time.
Was that particular HITC PPV considered the worst out of the HITC collection or does it still hold up?

[Shindig]

Shibata's headbutted his way into forced retirement. Silly Japanese sods.

[Ian]

Was that particular HITC PPV considered the worst out of the HITC collection or does it still hold up?

Dunno where it ranks but it's not amazing on the whole. Shit end to the main event too.

[Ian]

WhatCulture have clambered aboard their soapbox and declared that Otunga and Saxton were switched because RACISM. Never mind that they're both anonymous and shit, it has to be because they're both black.

[Lewis]

Speaking of which, I'm glad JBL bullied that bloke out of the company. He was appalling.

[Browning]

WhatCulture have clambered aboard their soapbox and declared that Otunga and Saxton were switched because RACISM. Never mind that they're both anonymous and shit, it has to be because they're both black.

Surely it's because they're both the 3rd wheel. You wouldn't swap Otunga for fucking Cole would you?

Hopefully this doesn't mean more Tom Phillips though. He's the shittest commentator going. At least Otunga is the third man when he's being silent for 90% of a match. Phillips does that when he's supposed to be the lead commentator and it's so awkward.

[Ian]

They're both the third wheel, they're both shit and there's not a fucking chance Cole or Graves are going anywhere.

I don't mind Phillips. We're definitely getting more of him anyway with JBL having seen off Mauro.

[Browning]

Maybe he'll grow into the role, but AJ Vs Shane was totally killed for me by those long awkward silences in the commentary. I don't watch Smackdown though so maybe he just had a bad night. I wish they would just let JR do it.

[Ian]

I think I don't mind the silences because the WWE lead commentator for whatever show is usually so busy rabbitting on about whatever Vince is squawking down their ear.

As you say though, the answer is just to get JR back because he actually knows what he's doing. It can't be that hard to get good commentary, though.

I've heard Kevin Kelly is very good.

[Lewis]

You would think JR would want to be kept busy at the moment as well.

[Pleb]

Phillips is shite. He was primary wasted during Mauro's reign. Both Saxton and Otunga can't hold it together on the mic and are boring as fuck.

Corey Graves is getting dangerously close to JR levels and it's fucking glorious. I'm not sold on Nigel McGuiness as a color commentator just yet. Cole needs to back away from the desk and just let Graves and McGuiness let rip. Remind me why everyone shouted for JBL to return again after Lawler's heart attack?

[Queenslander]

Im going to be a big Okada mark and rewatch all his title matches starting with Tanahashi. It will be up there as one of the greatest Pro Wrestling reigns ever by the time he drops it.

[7om]

Im going to be a big Okada mark and rewatch all his title matches starting with Tanahashi. It will be up there as one of the greatest Pro Wrestling reigns ever by the time he drops it.

When did you start watching NJPW? I'm definitely going to go back to Wrestle Kingdom 11 but what about before that? 2016 G1 Climax maybe?

[Queenslander]

Kenny Omega's G1 Climax run last year had me hooked.

[Ian]

I might actually pull my finger out and finally watch the Okada/Tanahashi that was first getting best-match-ever reviews. Got the one with JR commentary bookmarked. :drool:

EDIT: Also I watched Survivor Series '13 last night. I reckon the commentary might be the worst I've heard, and WWE has set the bar pretty high (or low) on that front.

[Lewis]

The Chris Jericho podcast with Kur Tangle is worth a listen.

[Browning]

I've given up on RAW again so just skim read the results this morning. Nice to see an original ending.....

[Queenslander]

The Chris Jericho podcast with Kur Tangle is worth a listen.

That's my next dog park pod cast.

[Weaver]

Rosey has died, according to WWE. No mention about cause.

[Lewis]

This might be a bit out there, but do you think it might have been a heart attack?

[Gray Fox]

Is he another of the someway related or in a similar tribe to the rock, crew?

Both of Rosey and Jamal gone now. Almost like this rasslin' business is bad for you.

[Pleb]

I see Jeff "Deletion" Hardy made his singles return last night.

When's Broken Matt's turn then?

[Lewis]

Is he another of the someway related or in a similar tribe to the rock, crew?

Both of Rosey and Jamal gone now. Almost like this rasslin' business is bad for you.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/59529/3-minute-warning-o.gif

Lads.

[Browning]

Isn't he Roman's brother?

[Disco]

Aren't they all these days?

[Ian]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoaʻi_family

I lose track of who's who but yeah, Rosey was Roman's brother.


I've given up on RAW again so just skim read the results this morning. Nice to see an original ending.....

Yeah, from about two minutes into the match it was pretty obvious how it was ending.

[phonics]

Aren't they all these days?

Sometimes they're their cousin.

[Browning]

Alright, what dirt has Jinder got on Vince?

[Queenslander]

India is a massive market for the WWE.

[Queenslander]

Anyone seen Kurt Angle's NJPW match from 2008? I've had to add it to my long long list.

Edit: Don't bother slow and boring.

[wullie]

Jinder kept seeing that gif of Vince getting orgasmic over a bodybuilder and got to work. The man looks like he's going to explode with every bump.

[Disco]

Amazing what eating healthily can do for you.

[Ian]

Jinder fucking Mahal?

[wullie]

The Bollywood Boyz are part of his gang by the looks of it, which is at least a step up from this

http://photos.imageevent.com/wrestlingfanaticactionfigures/wwepromowrestlingphotoswwf/websize/lo%20down121.jpg

LOVE YOU DLO

[Disco]

Titantron works fine, no problems here.

http://i.imgur.com/plnGHCo.jpg

[Shindig]

Oh. 'Harlot'. I wouldn't even see that as intentional.

[Queenslander]

Charlotte is a bit of alright. #shortbaldcreep

[Disco]

So I'm checking out some NJPW as people won't stop wanking themselves silly over it. A couple of matches lined up on YT and I've grabbed a copy of Sakura Genesis 2017 (snappy naming conventions don't seem to be the done thing in the Jap-Grap scene).

Initial impressions are pretty positive, the Japanese version of Michael Buffer certainly earns his money, Taka Michinoku has made an appearance along with Jushin Thunder Liger (looks like the same guy too, which is impressive until you realise he does a forward roll and that's about it these days) and no less than two people called Tiger Mask on the same team, not sure how that's supposed to work but ok. The YT matches both had Okada in them and once you get used to the almost silent crowd and different pacing then it's rather good, however I'm not sure that more dangerous really equals better. This Okada chap in particular seems to have something against his own neck, he's forever letting people drop him on it and he'll be having surgery/retiring before long if this is his normal working practice. He does have a lovely drop kick on him though so there's that.

[wullie]

TNA had Okada for a while, and had him running round in a mask like Bruce Lee in the Green Hornet. With the history of Japanese wrestlers in the US it's almost a miracle that Nakamura isn't bowing to everyone and describing himself as velly goodooooo

[Disco]

Sounds quite restrained for TNA, they're normally much more racist than that.

[Queenslander]

I'm pretty sure one of the Tiger Mask blokes is Ibushi. For some reason the Japanese get a kick out of seeing characters from a cartoon wrestling.

Okada's willingness to be on the end of a dragon superplex at Wrestle Kingdom was the most dangerous move I've ever seen. My mate Metlzer went off on how stupid it was.
Disco

[Queenslander]

The dumbest move in pro wrestling.

https://youtu.be/6Sw13JyG5OU

Edit: Although it did add to the drama when Okada won.

[7om]

The Shibata head butt pushes that close. It's tough to watch when he does it.

[Queenslander]

That head butt is definitely my strong style threshold.

[Disco]

I watched that yesterday and it was fucking stupid, real or fake it ruined the match. Shame really because it was good up until then.

Is 'Okada wins lol' a thing? It sort of seems like it should be after getting thrashed for most of the match and then winning with a couple of clotheslines.

[Queenslander]

I'm such an Okada mark I won't hear anything about 'Okada wins lol' if it is a thing. He should drop it soon though because Omega v Cole would be a cool

[Disco]

Well he got beaten up for half an hour and Shibata just took pretty much everything he had hardly breaking stride in the process. Seems a bit lol to win so easily after all that.

[Ian]

Watching Orton / Cena at TLC '13 and they're saying the WWE vs. World Heavyweight title thing is a match FIFTY YEARS IN THE MAKING.

Is that exactly what Jericho vs. Austin was after the invasion?

[Disco]

Finally got round to watching the rest of Smackdown. :|

Jinder Mahal and Kevin Owens have the same gimmick. Let that sink in for a second.

[wullie]

I do like how the entire stage setup for Owens' new entrance is the big picture of him as Captain America.

[SvN]

Greatest theme of all time?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZLwl6zZSI

[Smiffy]

Not a chance.

It's this and only ever this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbAoZ0Ekpsw

I was going to post last night as I watched Raw but as much as I like Braun Strowman, wtf was he doing in a dumpster match with a masked midget and then pushing him off the stage in it which was probably half the size of said midget.

[Pleb]

The card for WWE RAW Payback looks weak.

Orton versus Wyatts looks like a safe bet if you want to waste a network subscription on it. I'm still not sold on Strowman's feud with Boo Reigns. It doesn't help the fact that Reigns is being kept off screen for most of the feud despite his recent family loss.

[Lewis]

I remember the New Age Outlaws pushing Cactus Jack and Terry Funk off the stage in a bin and it seeming like the maddest thing ever.

[Disco]

I'm not sure about that, there's at least four people in that picture with entrances that I like more.

Edit: The glass breaking for Stone Cold was great but the song that came after was terrible.

[Smiffy]

The only way that Orton and Wyatt storyline works is if we finally get sister Abigail. It's a perfect chance too given the family has kind of disbanded.

Maybe not a mouthpiece as Bray doesn't need that but a dark and mysterious sidekick who plays head games with the roster in the name of Wyatt.

[Smiffy]

I remember the New Age Outlaws pushing Cactus Jack and Terry Funk off the stage in a bin and it seeming like the maddest thing ever.

That was what popped in my head too when the commentators were saying it was the first ever dumpster match. Turned out it was the first one ever on Raw but it was still a bit shit. Strowman smashes through everyone but Kalito(?) got the better of him? Nah. Not having that. He also shouldn't have told the fans he doesn't like them as he'd have been a great 'tweener'.

[Pleb]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the infamous WeeLC match from Extreme Rules 2014.

It was strangely awesome.

[Lewis]

Hulk Hogan obviously has the best theme, and his nWo music was the perfect choice too.

1. Hogan
2. Shawn Michaels
3. Stone Cold
4. Hollywood Rock
5. Grado

[Smiffy]

Legion Of Doom's used to get me.

"Whaaaaaaaatarushhhh!"

[SvN]

Ha. I was just watching this, and that music started as I was reading your post :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3Jgx2TuEks

[Smiffy]

They just don't make them like they used to. Vadar. :cool:

[Ian]

Still a sucker for the Big Show's original theme, but I dunno whether that's because the whole thing is actually good or if it's just got a quality start, which is the main thing with entrance music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_nPM0HhKJg

The Rock's music was always really shit, other than the start bit, on an objective level and yet somehow it worked.

Loads of the top guys at the moment have music that's just utter shite.

[SvN]

That's so right. The first few notes are so important for those moments where they make a surprise return or interfere in a match.

Actually, a question has just hit me - does the Big Show sing his own theme? It certainly sounds like him. But it could be another Nicholas Lyndhurst in Only Fools situation.

The likes of Dean Ambrose/Seth Rollins/Kevin Owens.Miz/Ziggler have crap openings and therefore crap themes. I'd say the only people with decent themes that aren't old school are Nakamura and Balor. Bray's is pretty good too, actually.

[Smiffy]

Jim Johnston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Johnston_%28composer%29#Filmography) was the man behind the themes.

I actually wouldn't mind finding that Signature Sounds DVD.

[SvN]

Yeah I know he writes/composes them, but I didn't realise he did all of the vocals too.

[Smiffy]

There I was looking for a torrent file.

http://sockshare.net/watch/PGpqVgd3-signature-sounds-the-music-of-the-wwe.html

:thbup:

[SvN]

Jesus fucking Christ this Ziggler and Nakamura promo is tough to get through.

[Browning]

The best theme is obviously "Ass Man".

[Smiffy]

The first time was the best time as it was so unexpected.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZISp3t5u79I

[7om]

Queenslander NJPW World have put up Omega and The Young Bucks vs those three geeks at Rev Pro Epic Ecounter from a few weeks back. I've only watched half so far but it's amazing. Get on it.

[Queenslander]

Cheers mate Ill try and watch it tonight. Do you follow the Elite YouTube page?

[Shindig]

The first time was the best time as it was so unexpected.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZISp3t5u79I

Absolutely no pop.

[Disco]

The best theme is obviously "Ass Man".

:cool:

No-one mentioning Tangle, which with crowd involvement is easily one of the best.

[wullie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddqrmj4nKfY

[Ian]

Jesus fucking Christ this Ziggler and Nakamura promo is tough to get through.

It sure was. Problem is you're not going to properly go to town with the Michael jackson stuff for obvious reasons so you're just left watching Dolph Ziggler making a crap comparison with jokes that were old at least a decade ago.

[7om]

Cheers mate Ill try and watch it tonight. Do you follow the Elite YouTube page?

No, didn't even know there was such a thing. I'll give it a look.

[Queenslander]

After looking through WWE's social media it seems that Roman Reigns is over in a big way with the Sub-Continent folj and the Arabs.

[Ian]

"Great Balls of Fire"? Fucking "Great Balls of Fire"? Great fucking Balls of fucking Fire?

Jesus Christ, WWE.

[Lewis]

What's going on?

[Ian]

WWE are having a Raw PPV called "Great Balls of Fire."

Baroque will be defending the title at it but let's not let that distract from the fact that they're calling it Great Balls of Fire.

[Pleb]

:D

[Shindig]

Goodness. Gracious. Michael Cole will get that in at every opportunity.

[Smiffy]

WWE are having a Raw PPV called "Great Balls of Fire."

Baroque will be defending the title at it but let's not let that distract from the fact that they're calling it Great Balls of Fire.

It's just a name change from what would otherwise have been Bad Blood but yes, let's not take away from the fact that Great Balls of Fire is a ridiculous name but who knows....it could spell the return of someone....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI-XU96_E_I


Be careful. There's some shocking fails thereafter. Init 'Kev'.

[Browning]

Ric Flair can steal the rest of the song at last.

[Queenslander]

Third and forth wrestlers for the WCPW Japan qualifiers are Bushi and Takahashi! :drool:
Any of you blokes going to that show?

[Smiffy]

.....

[Disco]

Wyatt - Non-title so he might get the win, immaterial though as the only interesting thing about this is what the match will actually be and how terrible can it get.

Bayley - Could go either way but I feel like they should leave it on Bayley for a bit.

Owens - All day long.

Neville - Via shenanigans involving his little man-slave.

Hardyz - Too early to drop it for me.

Rollings/Jeff - No idea, haven't been watching Raw. Hopefully Jeff.

Reigns - You don't bet against Roman.

Club - I don't really care.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Ian]

Lowering the stakes for Wyatt/Orton for the last match of the feud is a bold move.

Rollins / Jeff may actually be a rare instance of a match not being ruined by an even finish because they could both really do without losing at this point. If push comes to shove Rollins probably suffers less through losing. Also WWE do shit finishes even when the match doesn't call for them which sours me on the idea somewhat.

[Disco]

Jeff losing via DQ for walloping him with a chair or something would serve everyone pretty well.

[Shindig]

And then he transforms into Willow.

[Disco]

Not that Jeff.

Incidentally I didn't see any stories about WWE scrambling for the rights to his other alter-egos like WIllow and the weird one with an umbrella(?). Funny that.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Shindig]

Not that Jeff.

Incidentally I didn't see any stories about WWE scrambling for the rights to his other alter-egos like WIllow and the weird one with an umbrella(?). Funny that.

Willow was the weird umbrella one. Any excuse for him to write his own theme music.

[Disco]

Who was the other one then? He had a mad accent and glasses, possibly a hat.

[Ian]

While I went for the non-stop thrillfest that I watched the Bate / Gallagher title match off this week's NXT. Enjoyed it and I was surprised they were alloiwed to keep it so relatively low-pace for the most part but the crowd did start to get into some of Gallagher's unusual (and painful-looking) submissions which was good.

Onto Payback 2014 now.... I dunno if this will be me caught up but I'm very nearly there. It opens with a really, really good little match with Cesaro and Sheamus where it's high pace pretty much from the top.

EDIT: This Table for 3 with Nash / HBK / Styles is really suffering, compared to the best episodes, for the three not all knowing each other that well.

[Browning]

WCPW was fantastic again tonight. So much so I can't lower myself to WWE.

[Ian]

So when can we expect your review of Payback?

I've not watched any of the WCPW stuff yet. How did their Rumble work? Was it along the lines of the Royal Rumble or just a battle royal?

[Smiffy]

.....

[Queenslander]

So when can we expect your review of Payback?

I've not watched any of the WCPW stuff yet. How did their Rumble work? Was it along the lines of the Royal Rumble or just a battle royal?

Over the top rope or pin.

WCPW is great and I agree with Browning it's better than the big WWE Universe

[Queenslander]

Browning

Are you attending any of the WCPW World Cup qualifiers?

[Smiffy]

.....

[Disco]

What I saw of the WCPW Rumble looked fun (anything with Kirby in is immediately worth watching), I also thought it was a pretty decent way of injecting at least some uncertainty into the situation they found themselves in.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Disco]

I don't know about anyone else but I quite fancy listening in Hindi, they'd make more sense than Booker at least.

[Queenslander]

The latest Elite episode has teased Young Bucks v Adam Cole and Marty Scurll and also Adam Cole V Marty Scurll. Add that too the long term story arc of Adam Cole V Kenny Omega and we have more story progression on a goofy YouTube channel than we do on 3 hours of RAW.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Disco]

It had a spooky tractor and it was all downhill from there. The crowd were not happy either, not surprised, how would you feel if you'd bought a ticket to watch a video package?

[Smiffy]

.....

[Disco]

Jinder Mahal! Now it really is a nightmare.

[Browning]

Browning

Are you attending any of the WCPW World Cup qualifiers?

That's what I was at last night, the Mexican leg, which will air on Youtube on Friday. It was a really good show, albeit the main event was ruined by what I'm assuming right now was a legit concussion suffered really early on. Rey Mysterio is still fucking brilliant and they gave us Drew's final Indy match against Cody Rhodes completely unadvertised (I think both were advertised for the show, but not that match).

[Ian]

Kudos to the WWE creative team, that House of Horrors match was an even bigger sack of shit than I expected with the laughable it-has-to-finish-in-the-ring nonsense. Was that addition just to get them in position to have Jinder win the day?

Not convinced by the manner of Tonga's defeat either.


Jeff Hardy legit lost a tooth. :rosebud:

After Graves kept harping on about it I began to assume he actually had.

[Disco]

It failed to work on so many levels, although if it transpires that Randall rode the spooky tractor back to the arena then it will be forever redeemed in my eyes. I was impressed by one thing, that the creative team still manage to bury Bray Wyatt even when he wins.

[Pleb]

So how the fuck did Jinder Mahal get a title shot then? :D

[Disco]

Someone allowed a situation where he was the only available/fit heel in the entire Smackdown roster.

[Browning]

I think the House of Horrors might genuinely be the worst thing I have ever seen in wrestling.

[Ian]

Someone allowed a situation where he was the only available/fit heel in the entire Smackdown roster.

It's not even that, they're just trying to get into India. There'd have been no reason otherwise not to have AJ or Corbin as one of his opponents. Or literally anybody not called Jinder Mahal.

[Disco]

Well, AJ had just turned and they apparently thought it was too early for Corbin, which it is really. I'm not sure I really buy the Indian market thing, it's already their third or fourth biggest market.

[Lewis]

Other than the major ones, has there been a decent pay per view yet under these new bi-monthly arrangements? I haven't watched any of them, but they all sound so underwhelming.

[Browning]

I can't remember if it was someone on here or elsewhere but I remember reading someone saying Jinder is basically going to be the JBL of the original draft. Absolutely spot on comparison and I can't wait for his year long title run.

[Disco]

JBL had a good gimmick though, and wasn't a horrible jobber for years before getting his push. The APA were well over before Farook retired.

I'd be curious to see what Jinders last five matches have been.

[Ian]

He lost his first match on Smackdown against whoever, got squashed by Pap O'Shango and then ate a few pins while teaming with Handsome Rusev I think.

[Browning]

I still can't believe he beat Jack Swagger when he debuted again the night after the 9/11 anniversary, so God knows how we've ended up here.

[Disco]

I think they just decided that this is where they wanted their people and, despite it not really working, to have a month after the superstar shakeweight where nothing makes sense. For example, AJ (a face) should now be up against Jericho (another face) for the US title but do we think that'll be the on the card for Backlash (or whatever the next one is)?

[Ian]

The whole superstar shake-up thing, and the effect on last night's PPV*, is really odd. I wonder if they'd been planning it a while or if it was a relatively short-term decision (maybe from Vince) that they've had to work around? It's been a bit odd however it came about.

* I forgot to say how surprised I was that Jericho won. I assume he'll not hold it for long before Owens regains it and becomes the FACE OF AMERICA again but I had an Owens win down as a foregone conclusion.

[Browning]

I don't get the Shake Up, like at all.

We already know the GMs can trade at any time because there was an angle where Foley said he was going to trade Zayn and no one said "No you're not, there's no shake up!" So what was the shake up? Were the GMs forced to make x amount of trades? And if so, what if they couldn't agree? And who was traded for who? All in all, it made no fucking sense, and they should have just done what they did in previous years and had a "draft night".

[Ian]

I assume a draft night will be coming later in the year as well. So the shakeup takes some of the shine off that as well.

[Disco]

It looks a bit like they've picked the rosters they want in about six months time and said fuck it, we'll just muddle through for a bit. Look at Smackdowns heels, Rusev who is injured, Owens who is tied up with Jericho and the US title, and Corbin who still needs some work before he's ready for main events. So fuck it, lets chuck Jinder to the wolves until the others are more available. It's obviously shit but it makes a weird kind of sense in that you aren't ruining anyone decent and they have no real competition so a few crap months hurts them very little if at all.

[Queenslander]

That's what I was at last night, the Mexican leg, which will air on Youtube on Friday. It was a really good show, albeit the main event was ruined by what I'm assuming right now was a legit concussion suffered really early on. Rey Mysterio is still fucking brilliant and they gave us Drew's final Indy match against Cody Rhodes completely unadvertised (I think both were advertised for the show, but not that match).

Bastard! Are you attending the Japanese qualifiers?

[Browning]

Nah the Japan ones are a bit too far out for me. I am going to go again as soon as they have anything down south though, it was well worth travelling for.

[Queenslander]

Very jealous mate there is nothing local apart from Tommy Dreamer's touring House of Hardcore

[Browning]

We obviously get WWE once a year (well, twice, but typically only 1 of the 2 is viable for me) but I don't think I'll bother. There wasn't one match on Payback that I would have traded for any match from WCPW, other than maybe the chance to see Bayley, who is pretty much the only person in WWE I give a shit about.

The thing I'm most looking forward to on Friday is seeing if they have to censor the crowd chants, or if they just air it with 20 minutes of us calling Joe Hendry a wanker while Kirby was down with his concussion.

[wullie]

They ballsed up the shakeup thing by setting up Raw PPV matches the day after Wrestlemania and then switching some of them round, it's like they're giving up on the separate brand thing already.

[Ian]

Oh good, Ambrose and Miz again.

[Ian]

The Angle / Edge/ Christian Table for 3 that went up last night is pretty good.

[Shindig]

Is Edge on it every week now that Sci Fi discovered he can't act?

[Ian]

It is odd that they've been on two and just switched Foley for Tangle. Still got Cornette and Bischoff to come. I wonder why they've stopped doing the Stone Cold Podcast interviews on the Network.

Love that the first thing that happened on Smackdown was it essentially being announced that Mahal would be beating Zayn. Didn't he squash him on Raw about a month ago?

Aiden English blubbing after losing seems a surefire way to get his "new" gimmick over too.

[Queenslander]

Pretty sure the Dean Ambrose interview is why they cancelled the Stone Cold podcast on the network.

[Disco]

Loads of those episodes have the same people on them, Kevin Nash is on about three with slightly different people, presumably he couldn't be bothered getting up so they just filmed several episodes around them.

[Ian]

Pretty sure the Dean Ambrose interview is why they cancelled the Stone Cold podcast on the network.

I didn't realise that had actually been mooted as a reason for it being cancelled. Fuck's sake, Ambrose.

[Lewis]

You wouldn't think Kevin Nash has any insight/stories left to offer after doing a shoot a day for the last decade.

[Disco]

He doesn't, however he very much likes getting paid.

[Waffdon]

I didn't realise that had actually been mooted as a reason for it being cancelled. Fuck's sake, Ambrose.

Did he say anything of note? i.e worth watching?

[Ian]

He doesn't, however he very much likes getting paid.

He as good as said this in the one with Michaels and Styles.


Did he say anything of note? i.e worth watching?

He mostly just spent an hour being awkward and disinterested. I guess the most notable thing was when he all but called Lesnar an insufferable twat for refusing to do anything interesting with their Wrestlemania match.

[Gray Fox]

He told it like it was. That he and Lesnar had a big match planned for WM, but Lesnar turned up on the day and vetoed most of it.

It wasn't anything we didn't know already. Just, you're not allowed to say anything publically against one of the companys biggest draws. He also came across as a little bored and disinterested in most things.

[igor_balis]

oh yeah i'm going to raw on monday

[Weaver]

If anyone wants to see Charlotte Flair's tits, they're on Celeb Jihad.

[SvN]

I didn't know they existed til she tweeted about it. Thick twat.

[Pleb]

Her boobs are fucking massive though.

[wullie]

Demanding they be removed from the internet is an odd move for someone under the age of 60.

[Disco]

I'm guessing that logic is not the first resort of someone who's just found pictures of their jubblies plastered all over a website.

[five time]

I think Bliss posted nearly word for word that when some fake photos leaked. Probably a company thing after the title being jizzed on incident.

[wullie]

The biggest photo leak of the lot is the deleted shot of Braun Strowman and Roman Reigns sightseeing in Italy as best pals.

[five time]

If anyone wants to see Charlotte Flair's tits, they're on Celeb Jihad.

The description on that site sounds like it was written by MJ:

As you can see in the nude photos below, it would have been far more aesthetically pleasing on the eye if Charlotte’s father wrestling legend Ric Flair had had his naked pictures released to the Web, for Charlotte has ridiculously lopsided titties and a nasty banged out looking cock cave.

Yes Charlotte Flair has clearly been involved in too many tag team, royal rumble, and survivor series matches inside the bedroom, for her dilapidated body is certainly looking worse for wear. Perhaps it is time for Charlotte to consider hanging up her labia and retiring to a Muslim’s poppy farm. For even though the physical aspects of farm life on a Muslim’s plantation is far more intense than working for the WWE, the only attention that will be paid to her battered breasts and piss flaps will be when we attach harnesses to them while hooking Charlotte up to a plow.

[Lewis]

I went to have a look after reading that. Fair.

[Queenslander]

I can't look at her photos because I have her on a pedestal.

Omega v Ishii looks like a stiff masterpiece going off the highlights.

[7om]

The reaction to Charlotte's leak seems to be widespread revulsion. Was it that bad? I haven't seen them.

[Dark Soldier]

Yes she has the body of her father. Snatch like a dying Cthulhu.

[Queenslander]

Nooooo....

[Queenslander]

She looks fine I don't understand the overreaction?

[Queenslander]

Okada v Omega is set for June 11. :drool:

[Shindig]

Charlotte's body is one of a woman who's already been married twice. Once to Bram.

[Browning]

The WCPW show I went to was posted on YouTube last night if anyone is interested.

As for Charlotte, I wish I could unsee that.

[Queenslander]

How dare you Browning!

[Queenslander]

I must have very very low standards compared to you fellows.

[Disco]

The reaction to this is laughably ironic, good job we're all perfect isn't it.

[Shindig]

The buggers are spoilt after a decade of rejected porn stars running the ring.

[igor_balis]

I WENT TO RAW!

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/p843x403/18319270_10155355306677174_7770725569035923050_o.j pg?oh=456f49f5c7fc8eac5b824ee97b515a61&oe=59848FC0

Our view:

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-0/p552x414/18403898_10155355351837174_6091329283519741000_o.j pg?oh=744ea39d923049d8a15ce4937c04b934&oe=59802C10

It was great fun, but I'm not sure I'd bother going again.

[wullie]

Do the TV tapings last an obscene amount of time?

[igor_balis]

I was pretty trashed so it felt like it went fairly quickly, about 4 hours in total i reckon. Felt a lot quicker being there than watching it on the telly, but again, booze was probably a factor in that.

[Disco]

The guy sat to your right looks like the lovechild of Edge and Jack Swagger.

[Ian]

Do the TV tapings last an obscene amount of time?

I wasn't trashed when I went to the one in Glasgow and it was interminable. Only about the length of a show but I normally wind through a lot of an episode on TV.

Unless it was looking like a special one that was somehow convenient I don't imagine I'd consider spending the money again. Endless bits where you're just sitting watching ads for Total Bellas, the ring crew purpling things up for the cruiswerweights, wrestlers doing ad break restholds, etc.

I suppose I'm glad I went but I felt like I was part of a TV production way more than a wrestling show. I'd probably go to a house show again but not Raw or Smackdown.

[igor_balis]

I went to a ROH show in Leicester and would be far more interested in going to something like that again.

[Disco]

I'd make the effort for a PPV or Smackdown as it's two hours but in general the house shows (NXT in particular) are a far more sensible length.

[Browning]

The problem with house shows is every match is predictable as they insist on having championships on the line. I did one house show and never bothered again.

Been to RAW once and Smackdown twice (including the first ever UK one, which is still probably the best show I've been to) but not sure I'll bother again unless my daughter gets into it. I'm much more interested in going to WCPW whenever it is down south.

[Ian]

I'd make the effort for a PPV or Smackdown as it's two hours but in general the house shows (NXT in particular) are a far more sensible length.

Yeah, I'd still be interested in a PPV. Probably against my better judgement.


I went to a ROH show in Leicester and would be far more interested in going to something like that again.

I should give ICW a bash at some point. There are a couple of guys at work who go semi-regularly.

[igor_balis]

I regret not going when they were doing a show during the Fringe when I was living in Edinburgh.

PCW and progress are meant to be great as well. Speaking of which, I apparently staggered past the owner of Progress, Jim Smallman after Raw yesterday (too drunk to remember), and was shouting "S E X SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT EXTREME. SEX" in a shit Russo voice, and nearly knocked him over. Ooops.

[Queenslander]

Best of the Super Juniors should be a fun tournament and I'll be interested to see how they book Marty Scurll. His Bullet Club merch is pretty nifty and would consider wearing it around.

[Ian]

I actually quite enjoyed the Balor match on Raw. Must be the elevating qualities of The Big Yard Guy Dog.

[Browning]

I haven't seen it, but RAW sounds like total garbage. Balor jobbing clean to Reigns, the 2 biggest matches ending in DQ, Alicia Fox winning, Titus O'Neil getting air time and the Women's title match getting made into a Russo special. No thanks.

[Gray Fox]

Apparently THE PLAN is for THE BIG DOG to hunt down Lesnar through to 'mania next year wherein Vince will insist that Roman goes over clean.

It didn't work with HHH, so of course they'll try it again with a guy the fans actually seem to like.

[SvN]

The Titus segment was great. I actually think he could be a very good heel manager.

[Ian]

Rollins getting attacked by Jeff, when Jeff himself did not have a match booked, was obvious about 2 seconds after they announced the other two big matches for the night. Wyatt having downed Rollins and Jeff I did not predict.

As for Balor, it's face vs. "face" so him losing clean is no big deal in itself. But I don't get why they're booking him the way they have since his return at all. Weird stuff. I did like the match though, so that's a first for me.


The Titus segment was great. I actually think he could be a very good heel manager.

Agreed.

[wullie]

JBL made a decent point about Titus, you can't really be a proper manager when you're bigger than nearly every wrestler around.

[Ian]

JBL made a decent point about Titus, you can't really be a proper manager when you're bigger than nearly every wrestler around.

He was also saying he shouldn't be a manager because you'd rather be watching Titus wrestle. Which. Er. Yeah.

[wullie]

One out of two ain't bad I guess.

I like Titus sometimes like when he played his own uncle for some reason, but then you hear him make it a win with stuff like this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd0Y2T6xeMk

[Ian]

Dunno what made me think of this but I forgot to comment on the amazing revisionist nonsense the Raw commentators were fed to big up the BIG DOG.

Apparently in the WWE's new version of history Reigns "had Lesnar beat" when Rollins cashed in MITB a few Wrestlemanias ago. Y'know, when he'd just eaten an F5 that stopped his comeback.

[Lewis]

JBL made a decent point about Titus, you can't really be a proper manager when you're bigger than nearly every wrestler around.


He was also saying he shouldn't be a manager because you'd rather be watching Titus wrestle. Which. Er. Yeah.

That time he buried the Ascension during their first match was pretty lol.

[7om]

Has anyone read WWE's Facebook page? Just have a stroll over there, click on any random post and take a look at the comments section. I don't know how I'm suppressing this lol in the office right now.

[Queenslander]

The Arabs and the Indians are the bizarro wrestling fans.

[Ian]

Didn't realise JR was commentating in the UK Championship special that's on. :drool:

[7om]

Two West Midlands lads steal the show at NXT Chicago :drool:

Brilliant match.

[Queenslander]

British Strong Style :drool:

[7om]

:lol:

[Queenslander]

As of today no more carbs for me.

[wullie]

They did it in order to get a load more of those shocked faces in the crowd they can use in video packages. Plus of course to promote the company in his home country of Canada.

[Queenslander]

YouTube's ad revenue policy seems a tad harsh on wrestling as a whole. Poor WCPW :(

[Ian]

The Bate/Dunne match really was fucking brilliant.

As for them pulling the trigger on Jinderm Ahal. :face: