The Ultimate WWE Thread

[Waffdon]

831859686269976576

:cool:

[Mike]

Just booked tickets to watch ICW in Liverpool again next month. :cool2:

[Browning]

RAW was utter shite with the nonsensical Divas booking being the low point.

[Waffdon]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/ca20b341c9d9c45352a7bb27c2337ed5/tumblr_olpjcoSs4F1u1ljrzo1_500.gif

:cool:

Looks like the best "big man" they've had in years. Actually looks legitimate as well.

[Ian]

Brazzers Are Making A Montreal Screwjob Porn Parody (http://whatculture.com/wwe/7-most-insane-things-happening-in-wrestling-right-now-feb-24?page=8)

Whaaaaaaa?

[Lewis]

Seth Rollin[g]s' knee injury was the most obvious work ever.

[Pleb]

I'm assuming Samoa Joe hasn't worked a match on the main roster yet (I'm still out of the loop so sue me).

Putting him against Sami Zayn is going to be interesting from what I've seen in terms of BUILDUP!!

[wullie]

He beat Cesaro on Raw last night, think that was his first televised match since coming up. Pretty good stuff.

[Lewis]

His crap sneering, heavy-breathing promos are twenty years out of date though.

'You know...'

[wullie]

Randy Orton's plan was to gain Wyatt's trust, win the Royal Rumble with no assistance, surrender his title shot for no reason, then burn down a shed.

Wrestlemania!

[Ian]

He beat Cesaro on Raw last night, think that was his first televised match since coming up. Pretty good stuff.

He beat the Big Dog Guy Empire as well.

Did he ever do the Jeffman Slam on NXT or has Vince shat it at the thought of him giving Musclebusters to the main roster?

[Pleb]

Hardy's have quit TNA apparently.

WWE return?

[Ian]

Are either of them much cop in the ring these days or would they just be back to do what the Dudleys did and give some young guys the rub?

[Lewis]

They will come in on the Raw after 'Mania to distract everyone from saying how shit it was.

[Gray Fox]

Are either of them much cop in the ring these days or would they just be back to do what the Dudleys did and give some young guys the rub?

Matt especially is really over with his latest gimmick. but it's very much a case of being so bad that it becomes good, combined with the free reign of TNA.

If they go back to WWE it wont work because he wont be allowed to DELETE the top guys. He'll lose all feuds against them and turn into another Bray Wyatt.

[Ian]

I still haven't watched Delete or Decay.

[Lewis]

Come back, get a pop, beat someone crap, feud with whoever the NXT dweebs like, put them over in a ladder match at one of the main pay per views, retire into the Hall of Fame.

[Disco]

So basically, Goldberg.

[Browning]

Basically they'll give Matt at the discarded nonsensical bullshit they've written for Wyatt over the years and then release him when it still doesn't get over.

[Browning]

Just booked to go to WCPW again to see Mysterio :drool:

I'm regretting the purchase already. My brother asked me if Mysterio was at the Smackdown I took him to in 2010 so I dug out the DVD of it. Looking at the card shows that Caylen Croft took on JTG that night. Why would I pay to go see wrestling when I could just watch that?

[Baz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfgivMMvr1c

[Browning]

This DVD cover is a bit spoilery...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/WWE-Elimination-Chamber-Fastlane-Feature/dp/B06X8YZGBZ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488656729&sr=8-1&keywords=wwe+fastlane

[Pleb]

So Bork Lesnar to cost GOLDBERG the title then.

Apparently some pleb leaked the card rundown on youtube somewhere for wrastlemania which means we may see KOwens face his best mate Y2Jericho for the RAW belt. Oh and the Hardyz have gone to ROH (again?) to troll the WWE universe which is pretty lol.

[7om]

4 weeks out from Mania and this is the best they can do. I don't know how they get away with it.

[wullie]

When they had about 10 minutes left and ran a Seth Rollins video it didn't bode well for Owens. An entire main event in a single gif

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/fastlane-main-event.gif

[Browning]

Fast Lane was pretty shite. The Tag title match was decent as was the Cruiserweights. Everything else sucked. The Divas ending made zero sense. Stop making Bayley use heel tactics by mistake you idiots. Strowman Vs Reigns was so fucking boring and Owens deserved much better than that (as inevitable as it was).

[wullie]

There's still absolutely no reason for Goldberg to want to fight Lesnar, a man he's battered every single time they've fought.

[SvN]

I was going to stay up and watch last night, but I ended up pissed and asleep by 11pm. What a relief, because that was fucking shit.

[Lewis]

At least Big Show and Roman Reigns have got some momentum going into WrestleMania.

[Browning]

Adam Cole is defending the ROH title against Zack Sabre Junior in WCPW. I get the feeling that's a big deal.

Exit Wounds has been good so far.

[Disco]

I thought Strowman/Reigns was quite good, the ending could have been better used to build to 'mania. Cruiserweight match was brilliant, best thing of the night. Everything else was guff (lol at the end of the womens match) with the exception of Zayn/Jeff.

Jinder fucking Mahal for christs sake.

[Browning]

Ospreay Vs Galloway time. This should be far better than any of that shite last night.

[Baz]

Anyone a fan of Session Moth Martina? :drool:/:lol:

Google her.

[Browning]

That main event was amazing.

[Queenslander]

Okada v Tiger Mask was another cracker from NJPW.

[Disco]

That main event was amazing.

That headbutt :drool:

Free on Youtube as well, definitely worth watching.

[Ian]

Is Jericho fucking off after Mania? I want to see this face run.

[Shindig]

More Fozzy touring.

[Waffdon]

Is Jericho fucking off after Mania? I want to see this face run.

No you don't. He's been fucking dreadful as a face for absolute years. Far better as a heel since going part time with Fozzy.

[Weaver]

I've just been on a few wrestling websites, and one of the headlines I saw was 'Ex-WWE wrestler offered porno roles' or something along those lines.

Before opening it, I thought it was going to be someone like Sunny, or Kelly Kelly, but actually, it's Marty Jannetty :D

Who honestly would be interested in seeing that? $150,000 for three films, according to him.

[wullie]

check this though, I'd get to tear up some beautiful b*tches, but, as my brother said, my family could see that..my thought is, why is my family watching porno then gonna judge me?

Hard to argue.

[Mike]

I'm off to see ICW tonigh. Hopefully Grado is there. :cool2:

[Ian]

No you don't. He's been fucking dreadful as a face for absolute years. Far better as a heel since going part time with Fozzy.

No, I do. That's why I said it. I didn't mean for ever, just that I could have been happy with it a bit longer than a month.

It may also be a reaction to the fact that WWE has..... I'm trying to think of proper faces in the top half of the card and already struggling to think of a second.

But then if I wanted him as a heel I'd rather he went proper bastard heel again.

[Queenslander]

Shibata v Suzuki in the first round of the Japan Cup is going to be the stiffest match in recent memory.

[Disco]

Get out of here Welby, as if you're allowed to decide what you do and don't want to see.

[Browning]

Isn't every wrestler better as a heel? Even the rock was boring as a face.

[Shindig]

And pretty heelish as a face.

"Hello, competitor. I will insult your significant other or imply you have both sets of genitals. Then I will proclaim what city we're in and inform the people how happy I am to be working there."

[Disco]

Austin.

[Shindig]

"Now that me and my employer see eye to eye, I am considered pure evil." Wrestling lines of morality are amazing.

[Browning]

Austin was the only one I could really think of who didn't work too well as a heel, but I think he could have if the story wasn't so bad. I doubt he would have reached his face levels though, so guess he is the exception, along with maybe hogan.

Keeping a wrestler heel because he's better as a heel doesn't work though because almost everyone is.

[Ian]

The story for Austin as a heel was pretty shit (I loved the Power Trip stuff but it made no fucking sense) but it didn't help that the fans just really didn't want to hate him. Same when Hogan came back.

He tried to actually murder the Rock and the fans still made him the face.

[wullie]

It's not so much that wrestlers are best as heels, but that WWE can't do faces. They're all horrible dickheads, like Randy Orton pretending to be friends with Bray Wyatt to burn his shed.

[Browning]

To be fair they rarely know how to do heels either. Jerichos best heel run came about because he was sick of HBK being a cunt by faking injuries and sneak attacking him. Jericho was just so good he pulled it off.

Granted reading that back it's another example of a terrible face, but he was literally a heel because he wouldn't put up with Shawn. Basically like 7om.

[Shindig]

I'm trying to remember the last proper face I cheered for.

[Browning]

Bayley.

[Shindig]

I mean, she's the right answer but she's kinda dull. I feel like we know too much about them as people and plus they switch from heel to face all too frequently.

[Ian]

Very nearly caught up on the WWE PPVs on the network. Summerslam '13. Lesnar/Punk was great, enjoying Cena/Bryan just now.


Bayley.

When was that? Because they've fucked her up as well, sadly.

[Lewis]

Is this going to be the shittest WrestleMania ever?

[Gray Fox]

Big Show v Shaq is supposedly off so there's no point even watching now.

[Browning]

Very nearly caught up on the WWE PPVs on the network. Summerslam '13. Lesnar/Punk was great, enjoying Cena/Bryan just now.



When was that? Because they've fucked her up as well, sadly.

Not going to lie, I marked out when she pinned Charlotte for the title. Everything since then has been horse shit though. Stephanie having a go at her and asking her to give the title back to someone who cheated worse than her in every single match and then the nonsensical match at Fast Lane where they ended the streak for no reason instead of just doing a DQ (or better yet, not booking that match at all) and letting us have Charlotte/Bayley in a title Vs streak match. They have fucked her up, I agree, but her getting the belt in the first place (albeit due to Sasha hitting Charlotte in the tits with a crutch) was the only decent face victory moment in a long time.

[Ian]

Is this going to be the shittest WrestleMania ever?

Lesnar squashing Goldberg, Owens/Jericho, two womens title matches, Andre Battle Royal, tag and cruiserweight matches which may well end up on the pre-show and whatever ends up happening with HHH/Rollins.

Barely anything's been properly built up, some of the stuff they had been building (Charlotte's streak, Strowman, Jax) got binned at sodding Fastlane and a bunch of good people who'll be getting shoe-horned into matches at the last minute, into the Battle Royal or doing nothing.

It promises to be pretty wank.

[Browning]

Snooki-mania will surely always be the worst, through no fault of hers, she was the best wrestler of the entire night.

[Disco]

The one where Hogan rocked up after the main event with a black eye and nicked the title was the worst. The Undertaker fought someone in a suit with muscles drawn on it and I think we also got Crush (the Jinder Mahal of the early 90's) vs Razor Ramon.

[Lewis]

Chris Jericho vs Kevi Nowens should be good (although Nowens is obviously winning if Jericho is off), and whatever Seth Rollin[g]s is involved in should be alright, but the rest of it sounds honking. Even more so if we end up with AJ Styles pinning Shane McMahon after he misses a stupid bump, and Don Cena wasting his life flattening the fucking Miz.

[Disco]

Is Cena doing this mixed tag thing? I'm not sure I've fathomed the point of that exactly.

[Lewis]

He could turn heel by AA-ing Maryse off the top rope.

[Shindig]

He should tag with Mickie James and see if he can ruin two more marraiges.

[Ian]

Cena's off so obviously he'll be giving Miz the rub.

:lol:

[Pleb]

No doubt The Rock will promote his Fate 8 film.

[Ian]

I see Pap O'Shango wrestled on a house show the other night. I wish I was interested/excited.

[Ian]

http://www.wwe.com/article/100-best-matches

100 best matches on the Network according to WWE. As if Lesnar beating the Streak was actually a good match.

[Queenslander]

The New Japan Cup has been brilliant so far, Shibata v Suzuki and Omega v Ishii especially.

[Queenslander]

https://youtu.be/RGntJ-q9_9U

1 hour 55 minutes is Shibata v Suzuki

[Browning]

In what probably marks the end of my short term return to watching WWE (except for Mania), I couldn't even be bothered with RAW this morning. I only started watching again because I had nothing else to do on a Tuesday morning due to my work patterns. Instead I read the results, and it sounds utter, utter shit. WCPW all the way for me now.

[wullie]

CM Benoit

http://i.imgur.com/ShTSrN8.png

[Ian]

Thank goodness they broke up that Smackdown tag match with endless shots of Shane slowly walking about with Finlay and Noble.

[Browning]

So..... Paige has had an eventful day.

[igor_balis]

Southpaw Regional Wrestling is fucking boss, lads.

[Smiffy]

So..... Paige has had an eventful day.

:jayjay:

[Lewis]

It's crap, but I bet it's got Jim Cornette absolutely SEETHING.

[Disco]

What did she do?

[Browning]

I guess, judging by the other thread, we're not allowed to answer that...

[Gray Fox]

After looking up, it's more a case of what didn't she do.

[Lewis]

I saw it trending on the Twitter, and the first picture was (it said) Xavier Woods banging her whilst Brad Maddox filmed her arse. No thanks. What sort of weird, 'Jobbers on the Job' fan fiction come to life shit is that?

[Gray Fox]

It's a nude day, yes it is...

[Lewis]

https://33.media.tumblr.com/e6d0dcb3276b2abdee9a21b427d0074b/tumblr_ntn1tuYTFN1sbzhteo1_400.gif

[Lewis]

I see Dan lurking. This is about as good as life gets for you right?

[wullie]

I hope that women's title was washed before the next person won it.

[Baz]

Why is she dressed like Rowdy Roddy Piper in one of them? :lol:

I can't believe how many there are. I assume I can't post the link?

[Queenslander]

Send me a PM mate

[7om]

This has got its own Reddit thread now with every link. The threesome one with Maddox zooming in on Woods' bollocks is unintentionally hilarious, the cuck twat. I'd love to see Del Rio's reaction right now.

[Lewis]

I've just seen it with JR commentary. :lol:

[Shindig]

Girl who spent her entire life in wrestling family turns out to be a monstrous ring rat. Colour me surprised.

[Waffdon]

Maddox nutting on the NXT belt :D

[Disco]

Has anyone checked on Dan, made sure he's staying hydrated etc.

[Ian]

Maddox nutting on the NXT belt :D

Jesus, really?

[Gray Fox]

I reckon she might have gotten away with it, but that bit will probably see her out the door.

[Pleb]

To be fair I thought she left.

[Gray Fox]

She was in dispute with them. Failed wellness policy twice last year but claimed it was for medication leading up to neck surgery. Had said surgery in October but they wouldn't let up on her suspension. Was looking very unlikely for her to be back as it was.

I do wonder how the crowds will respond when the new day come out over the next few weeks though.

[Shindig]

"I was saying 'Bew Day'"

[Dan]

I see Dan lurking. This is about as good as life gets for you right?


Has anyone checked on Dan, made sure he's staying hydrated etc.

I'm always lurking you fuckers.

It was actually pretty underwhelming, to be honest. Didn't see that Maddox had besmirched the NXT title though :D Guess we can't say Medusa throwing the womens title in the bin is the most disrespectful thing to ever be done to a championship belt anymore.

[7om]

I've just seen it with JR commentary. :lol:

PM please.

[Baz]

I've not seen the belt thing either.

(PM plx)

[Lewis]

Shane McMahon did his elbow on the announce desk again, so what boring spot will his WrestleMania defeat be based around?

[wullie]

Blimey, JR's wife was killed in a car accident.

[Shindig]

Good God Almighty.

[Ian]

Shane McMahon did his elbow on the announce desk again, so what boring spot will his WrestleMania defeat be based around?

And he missed it, just like last year. That I can recall he has essentially tried four moves since his return. Three elbows through the announce table, one off the cell, and a coast to coast. And if you don't count the two elbows the commentary team told us he hit he's missed all of them and one nearly killed him.

I reckon he "hits" the coast to coast against AJ OR they go full mental and have him go off a titantron again (and miss.) Though at Mania it'd take him about a year to "fight" his way back to the stage.


Good God Almighty.

Fuck's sake. :D

[Lewis]

Speaking of 'Mania, I missed Jim Cornette inducting the Rock 'n' Roll Express. If he doesn't come out with his tennis racket he can get fucked.

[Shindig]

He did it for the gimmick battle royale, he'll do it for this.

[Lewis]

The Goldberg WrestleMania workout video devotes an awful lot of time to his 'M'wee Tie' training, so if he starts throwing kicks around (call them stroke-makers) and taking it to the ground then fucking hell we've got a classic on our hands.

[Ian]

It'll all be worthwhile when he lasts a whole 90 seconds.

I know we discussed this the other day but now that the Wrestlemania card is pretty much in place (maybe a Smackdown tag title match to be added) it does look proper rank.

I see we've got Shawn Michaels to blame for AJ vs. Shane O Mac.

[Disco]

Goldberg has a proper match in him, given it's likely to be his last one this has to go a reasonable time.

[Ian]

He barely had a proper match in him when he was younger. Which is precisely how WWE fucked up his first run.

[Disco]

Being from WCW didn't help. For his last match ever he can do 10 minutes.

[Shindig]

10 minutes? Send for Regal.

[7om]

For those of you that haven't seen it I can't recommend Oney Lorcan vs Andre Almas from this week's NXT highly enough. Incredible. Proper strong style for a good 20 minutes. They really went at with some great back and forth. Give it a look.

[7om]

You're not going to believe this - I actually thought tonight's Raw was pretty good. Must be the first time I've thought that in about two years.

[wullie]

Having it end in an actual fight is a step up from the other year

http://i.imgur.com/anFbo8K.gif

[Browning]

A quick scan over the results tells me it probably wasn't. This WM just feel like it's going to be utter shite.

[SvN]

It was alright. It all felt very coherent, which is a change.

[Pleb]

Final card...:

WWE Universal Title Match
Brock Lesnar vs. Bill Goldberg

WWE Title Match
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyatt

Fatal 4 Way Elimination Match for the RAW Women's Title
Nia Jax vs. Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte Flair vs. Bayley

WWE United States Title Match
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jericho

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Baron Corbin vs. Dean Ambrose

Triple Threat for the RAW Tag Team Titles
Enzo Amore & Big Cass vs. Sheamus & Cesaro vs. Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson

SmackDown Women's Title Match
Mickie James vs. Carmella vs. Natalya vs. Becky Lynch vs. Alexa Bliss (other participants possible)

Non-Sanctioned Match
Triple H vs. Seth Rollins

Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
Mojo Rawley, Apollo Crews, Big Show, Curt Hawkins, Goldust, R-Truth, Primo, Epico, Curtis Axel, Jinder Mahal, Bo Dallas, Braun Strowman and others TBA

Roman Reigns vs. The Undertaker

John Cena and Nikki Bella vs. The Miz and Maryse

Shane McMahon vs. AJ Styles

Kickoff Pre-show: WWE Cruiserweight Title Match
Austin Aries vs. Neville
Oh dear...

[Lewis]

How does a 'non-sanctioned match' find its way onto their main pay per view?

[wullie]

They're even calling it 'hold harmless' now instead which really makes it sound befitting of the ultimate 7 hour thrill ride.

[Disco]

Likely best match buried on the pre-show. Good stuff.

[Baz]

The whole 'omg mania will be rubbish' will hopefully mean it's actually really really good.

Is the Shane O'Mac match a no holds barred affair? I only really watch WWE for "hardcore" (cell, ladder, no holds barred etc) matches and nothing is jumping out at me.

[Ian]

It doesn't have a stipulation yet but it absolutely will do. Unless they're genuinely planning to go straight singles match and see just how good a match AJ can actually have with a broomstick.

Unless they go old-school and have a WM17, Taker/HHH-esque ref bump where Shane accidentally hits him with one of his cack-handed punches and the ref stays down for an hour so they can do as they please.


You're not going to believe this - I actually thought tonight's Raw was pretty good. Must be the first time I've thought that in about two years.


It was alright. It all felt very coherent, which is a change.

Indeed. For once it seemed like they actually knew what they were aiming at.

Quite enjoyed that Reigns promo. The start of it at least, when he was baiting the crowd.

[Queenslander]

Cruiser Weights on the pre show is sad.

Meanwhile in NJPW/ROH, Kenny Omega will likely wrestle Adam Cole on 1 of the G1 tour events in California and Okada v Shibata looks as though it will more than likely be another 5 star classic.

[7om]

In a week of firsts, I'm also watching Smackdown for the first time in about five years. Fucking hell, The Miz vs Cena promo segment was superb. Absolutely no holds barred shit and Cena is great when he's not being a childish cunt. Got to give WWE credit here, the card for Sunday looks solid. Most of the matches have established, long stories behind them and the shorter ones are at least logical or have a bit of effort put into them.

I do feel a tad sorry for AJ Styles, though. It's almost as if they run out of guys and so he just got stuck with Shane. It's not even a stipulation match ffs.

[Queenslander]

They have to shift Rusev and Sami Zane over after to Mania. Absolutel waste atm

[wullie]

I like how Sami Zayn has wrestled Kevin Owens more than ever since that PPV match that was going to be their final battle, also how the GMs make him earn his spot in battle royals that Curt Hawkins and Primo just decide they're entering.

[Queenslander]

Surely he can be a top Baby Face on Smackdown if given the right push?

[Disco]

Eventually maybe, but his character necessitates him being shat on for a while before doing anything. Whether they're doing that or not is anyone's guess.

Him, Rusev, and Cesaro could easily join the long list of talent terminally buried on Raw.

[Queenslander]

Yeah Cesaro is another one. :(

If WWE had NJPW bookers I'd subscribe to the network.

[Disco]

#justiceformojo

[wullie]

http://i.imgur.com/5KDfBJb.gif

[Pleb]

I can imagine the seethe and the looks on peoples faces if Da Miz loses to Don Cenahh in a mixed tag match.

[Ian]

When he loses.


I like how Sami Zayn has wrestled Kevin Owens more than ever since that PPV match that was going to be their final battle, also how the GMs make him earn his spot in battle royals that Curt Hawkins and Primo just decide they're entering.

You can't have Stephanie going about not being insane, you know.

[wullie]

I've got Miz and Maryse winning their match, and then they do the big Total Diva proposal nonsense in the face of defeat like when Randy Savage lost the retirement match and turned into a massive sap.

[SvN]

Yep, that's exactly how I see it going too.

[Ian]

I did like Cena talking about the womens revolution while Nikki just stood there smiling and nodding at everything he said.

[SvN]

JR is calling Lesnar V Goldberg. I'm now 10 times more excited for the match.

[Gray Fox]

Props to him for working, given what happen earlier this week.

[Ian]

JR is calling Lesnar V Goldberg. I'm now 10 times more excited for the match.

I now have some interest beyond the result.

Watching the Hall of Fame thing. Bischoff looks right old now he's stopped dying his hair.

[Shindig]

OSW are now doing Russo-era TNA. GIMMICKS!

[Lewis]

Kur Tangle's speech was a bit over-done, to the point of being a bit cringe-worthy. Then again, he doesn't look like he has long left to live, so why not get everything off your neck?

[Smiffy]

JR doing the entire event would have ensured a late night. Calling the most pointless match on the card on the other hand? Not so much.

[Shindig]

What if he delivers a soundbite for the ages? As for Kurt, legitimately the best of his generation.

[Disco]

There are at least three more pointless matches than Bork v Glodbog.

[Ian]

Angle's speech was a bit Greatest Hits after the opening yarn.

DDP's speech and the Rock 'n' Roll Express' haircuts were both tremendous.

[Smiffy]

"Slobber knocker" is a shoe in.

[Pleb]

So nXt takeover?

Yay or Nay.

[Waffdon]

Public holiday tomorrow so i'll stay up.

[Ian]

I was considering staying up as I don't start work until 2 but I think I'll just set an alarm, get up and watch it and then I can flick through the hours of shite they'll be padding it out with.

[Disco]

Awkward moment during the induction speech for DDP.

Page videoed literally everything.....

Lets not go there Eric.

[Weaver]

I'm off tomorrow, but I'm doing the same as Ian and just watching it in the morning.

I flicked through NXT this morning and I wasn't massively impressed - I'm not too aware of some of the wrestlers now (I like Nakamura, Roode, Young and a few others) and I don't watch consistently enough to know about Ember Moon, Sanity as a group, the Authors of Pain, Andrade Almas and others like that.

Drew McIntyre was in the crowd and shown on camera, and Nigel McGuinness said Alistair Black 'was going to be one to watch here in Ring of Honor'

[Browning]

Drew's officially signed, so not too surprising.

Shame, because he was great in WCPW.

[Browning]

What time does this all kick off tonight anyway?

[Smiffy]

I got all comfortable, whacked some nibbles in the over with expert timing so as to be hot and ready for the start of the show.

Then I waited.

And waited.

And then I twigged.

Yesterday was Satuarday.

[SvN]

Browning, do yourself and the forum a favour and don't bother watching tonight.

[Browning]

:D

I'm pretty much resigned to the fact I'll be staying up for it. It'll be shite whenever I watch it so I may as well get it out the way.

[Smiffy]

Hosts: The New Day

WWE Universal Title Match
Brock Lesnar vs. Bill Goldberg

WWE Title Match
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyatt

Fatal 4 Way Elimination Match for the RAW Women's Title
Nia Jax vs. Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte Flair vs. Bayley

WWE United States Title Match
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jericho

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Baron Corbin vs. Dean Ambrose

Triple Threat Ladder Match for the RAW Tag Team Titles
Enzo Amore & Big Cass vs. Sheamus & Cesaro vs. Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson

Six-Pack Challenge for the SmackDown Women's Title
Naomi vs. Mickie James vs. Carmella vs. Natalya vs. Becky Lynch vs. Alexa Bliss

Non-Sanctioned Match
Triple H vs. Seth Rollins

Roman Reigns vs. The Undertaker

John Cena and Nikki Bella vs. The Miz and Maryse
Special Guest Ring Announcer: Al Roker

Shane McMahon vs. AJ Styles

Kickoff Pre-show: WWE Cruiserweight Title Match
Austin Aries vs. Neville

Kickoff Pre-show: Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
Sami Zayn, Braun Strowman, Goldust, R-Truth, Curtis Axel, Dolph Ziggler, Jey Uso, Jimmy Uso, Chad Gable, Jason Jordan, Primo, Epico, Bo Dallas, Jinder Mahal, Rhyno, Heath Slater, Apollo Crews, Mojo Rawley, Big Show, Curt Hawkins, Tyler Breeze, Fandango, Tian Bing, Mark Henry, Killian Dain

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I'm not one to moan but the preshow matches should be on the main show. It really seems quite an underwhelming card although I read a column on one of the sites that made me look forward to the HHH v Rollins a bit more.

http://www.lordsofpain.net/columns/justbusiness/Just_Business_presents_Watch_of_WrestleMania_Week_ Part_I_Redesigning_Rebuilding_Reclaiming_a_Soul_A_ Performance_Art_Retrospective_of_the_Triple_H_vs_S eth_Rollins_Story_So_Far.html

Quite a good read, I thought.

[Browning]

From that I'm looking forward to the RAW Women's match, the US Title match, the ladder match (more for the stipulation because I don't give a shit about any of the three teams), HHH Vs Rollins (sort of) and the Cena match, though that'll be ruined if Cena and Nikki squash them. Hopefully at least a few of those won't disappoint.

[Disco]

Nigel McGuinness said Alistair Black 'was going to be one to watch here in Ring of Honor'

He also said that due to an injury 'there's no way No Way Jose is going to be able to compete...'

[Disco]

Just watched NXT. The tag title match was excellent, even if the ending better suits the long term story rather than the match itself. Everything else was pretty good, Asuka winning hopefully means she'll take her unbeaten streak up to one of the main rosters. Title match was also very good, I'll be amazed if Nakamura doesn't turn up somewhere on Monday/Tuesday, hopefully Smackdown as they could do with a big name face.

[Dan]

It's Mania tonight, right? How many hours is it supposed to last? Might stay up for a bit to join Browning in trashing the whole thing.

[Smiffy]

New Day hosting it would have been funny six months back or so. It's a rather tired act these days.

[Shindig]

It'll all be worth it when Seth's knees go during the match, Undertaker retires after a superman punch and Shane jumps off something he shouldn't.

[Browning]

Have I missed anything?

[Ian]

Nowt.

[Browning]

You know WWE don't value you when they stop showing your match to instead show an advert for a Women's match later on the same show you're already watching.

[Dan]

Have I missed Aries/Neville? Literally the only match I was looking forward to :D

[Smiffy]

Have I missed Aries/Neville? Literally the only match I was looking forward to :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5oox1Xe1x8

Just go back.

[Ian]

The director needs a good hard kick in the balls as usual. Show on the ropes, Strowman charging him and it cuts to a different camera.

[Dan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5oox1Xe1x8

Just go back.

Good man, will watch that shortly. Main card starts at 12?

[Smiffy]

12, yeah. I only realised that due to this thread. :moop:

Crowd is dead for this battle royal. Not sure I like the outdoor events.

[Ian]

Fucking Mojo Rawley. :face:

[Lewis]

That bloke is the biggest pleb in rasslin'.

[Browning]

What the fuck have I just watched?

[Smiffy]

It starts. :drool:

[Browning]

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed that because Braun didn't win. It was just fucking mental.

[Disco]

Mojo :D

That must be the shittest run in ever.

[Gray Fox]

Just watched NXT. The tag title match was excellent, even if the ending better suits the long term story rather than the match itself. Everything else was pretty good, Asuka winning hopefully means she'll take her unbeaten streak up to one of the main rosters. Title match was also very good, I'll be amazed if Nakamura doesn't turn up somewhere on Monday/Tuesday, hopefully Smackdown as they could do with a big name face.

Him and AJ in NJPW was amazing. More of that please.

[Pleb]

So I seem to of missed the battle royal :moop:

[SvN]

What the fuck is up with HBK?

[Dan]

Jinder :(

Anyone suggest somewhere I could watch this?

[Pleb]

What the fuck is up with HBK?
Is he drunk?

I'm also hearing whispers that this might be Taker's last mania :serious:

[Ian]

Jinder :(

Anyone suggest somewhere I could watch this?

Just sign up for the freebie month and cancel it again tomorrow.

[Browning]

It won't be because the next one is in the building where the streak ended.

[Pleb]

RAW women's match first?

If so Charlotte wins. New Day :cool:

[SvN]

AJ V Shane first. wtf?

[Ian]

The guy who unquestionably should be main eventing the show is opening the show with Shane O Mac.

Good work, WWE.

[Browning]

This commentary feels so fucking off. Vince to call and audible and send out JR mid-match?

[Pleb]

That counter :serious:

[SvN]

To be fair, that looked fucking painful. He just slid across the table and landed on the floor.

[SvN]

Holy shit. Shane attempting a shooting star press. I didn't see that coming in a millionion years.

[Smiffy]

That was pretty good tbf.

[Disco]

Lesnar will be seething.

[Browning]

Pretty good match but the commentary totally ruined it for me. I'm sure we're stuck with them for every Smackdown match, but I really hope not.

[SvN]

Great opener, much better than i expected and much better than it had any right to be, really.

[Pleb]

We're going in hot here lads.

[Browning]

Are they delaying the Smackdown Divas so it's dark for Naomi's entrance?

[Ian]

Yeah that wasn't bad at all, really. Smackdown DDT, failed Shooting Star Press and holding up his end of the bargain for a few other spots.

Still a total waste of AJ though.

[Browning]

What is Owens doing while this package plays? Fucking about getting in and out of the ring? Or rolling down the ramp?

[Waffdon]

AJ is so good

[Disco]

At this rate the Undertaker will get to the ring early on Wednesday.

[SvN]

Dominos is on the way :drool:

[Browning]

That KO shirt is brilliant.

[Pleb]

If so Charlotte wins.
I'm properly seething.

[SvN]

That women's match was alright. Started off great, but slowed down a bit. Sasha's elimination seemed weird. I was surprised that Sasha didn't turn.

[SvN]

Actually teared up a bit hearing Angle's music, what the fuck is wrong with me?

[Browning]

Will this be the Hardyz?

[Browning]

:drool:

This alone was worth staying up for.

[SvN]

Fucking amazing

[Browning]

So much RAW in a row. It's going to be so tough listening to the shite commentary for like 3 matches in a row soon.

[Pleb]

The Hardyz are back :hail:

Fucking scenes.

[Browning]

That was the first truly garbage match of the night. Two great performers and two passable women and they serve up that shower of shite?

[Browning]

The amount of scripts on display in this match is a disgrace.

[Browning]

Goldberg Vs Lesnar was garbage, but it was fun garbage.

Taker going on last, presumably with JR on commentary, suggests he really is hanging them up. :(

[Browning]

Either Taker is retiring or he's doing a strip tease to send the fans home happy. Either way it's gonna be tough to watch.

[7om]

Fucking hell, that was sad watching Taker leave his stuff in the ring. Wish I'd been there, to be honest.

I actually thought the show was really good. I've sat infront of the fucking tv for seven hours somehow, but it was worth it. There was far more good than there was bad. The only match I truly disliked was Orton / Wyatt which was just flat and the special effects just looked corny.

Hope Raw will be good tomorrow.

[Ian]

The first third/half of the show was pretty good and it slowly went downhill from there to end on that colossal, botchy wet fart of a main event.

Goosebumps at the Hardys though, I'd bought the 'they're not joining yet' news articles and thought the New Day were about to announce their own entry.

[SvN]

I enjoyed it overall. It did go a bit flat for a while - I didn't particularly care for Orton v Wyatt or the Smackdown women's match. I actually really enjoyed the main event. There was the obvious botch with the tombstone reversal, but if anything, it played into the storyline - especially with Taker trying to situp and not being able to.

The final scene will go down as one of the most memorable of all time.

[Ian]

They also buggered up the finish. I thought the whole match was a tedious drag and the HISTORY of it wasn't enough to keep me engaged any more than it was the crowd.

Rollins and HHH was rubbish too.

[Browning]

Cruiserweights were decent for the time they had, as expected really.

The Battle Royal was bizarre but fun and unpredictable so that's about as good as they can be.

IC Title I didn't care about 1 bit going in and they did nothing to change my mind.

Shane Vs Styles was better than I expected although I feel like it'll be one of those matches that isn't as good on repeat viewings. The commentary did ruin it almost completely for me though, so many awkward silences.

Owens Vs Jericho didn't live up to my expectations but it was alright.

The RAW Women's title match was probably about the same as Owens/Jericho compared to what I expected. The eliminations were all garbage and I didn't much care when Bayley won which is a huge sign of how flawed the booking is in the division given I marked out when she won the title but everything in the division has been nonsensical since.

Tag Team match was decent just because the Hardyz were there. I feel like the Fatal 4 Way Ladder match I saw at WCPW was a better match, but the Hardyz made this an incredible moment.

Cena match was shite, which is a shame because the build up was good and Miz has been on the run of his life. He dominated the whole match and then lost to 2 moves. Fuck off.

I quite liked HHH Vs Rollins, a few spots aside. Showing about 12 scripts while they were outside really annoyed me and then the 76 pedigree reversals in a row was so annoying. The ending was fine. Solid match but not great.

Orton Vs Wyatt I barely watched and had zero interest in.

Lesnar Vs Goldberg was garbage but fun garbage, as I said last night.

SD match was decent enough for the short time it had. Mickie looked really good in a short spell in the middle.

Main Event felt off but not terrible. Taker absolutely killed him for ages and the kicking out of the Tombstone was BS. But then it did get to the point where I said to my mate "If Taker wins now it's bullshit" because Reigns had absolutely slaughtered him for what felt like 10 minutes but was probably less. The ending was incredibly emotional even more so watching it again today.

All in all I would say the show was decent. It delivered more than I expected. Nothing stands out to me as "That'll be in the top 100 matches of all time" but, Cena match aside, there were no total duds either. People calling Taker/Reigns the worst main event ever are clearly forgetting last years was infinitely worse, and that Taker has had much worse matches too recently (Shane, Wyatt).

[Pleb]

Taker's done for real according to the dirtsheets.

[Shindig]

He's probably saying his goodbyes on Raw tonight, then.

[Browning]

Why did the Dirt sheets feel the need to confirm that? Not sure how much more obvious he could have made it short of a flashing neon sign saying "I'm fucking done".

[Smiffy]

They could have reported it years ago and it would have been just as true. I won't miss him.

[Dan]

Didn't bother watching the main card in the end. Might watch the ladder match, or possibly just a highlights package on YouTube.

Sounds pretty patchy, but that's not exactly shocking. Guess I should probably take a peek tonight to see how RAW goes, but it's unlikely.

[Browning]

There's a fair few matches that are worth checking out, but there's nothing that is must see.

[7om]

Did anyone watch NXT Takeover? Fucking hell, the triple threat tag match was probably one of the most mental matches I've ever seen. If you watch absolutely nothing else from this weekend, at least give that a look.

[Disco]

Did anyone watch NXT Takeover? Fucking hell, the triple threat tag match was probably one of the most mental matches I've ever seen. If you watch absolutely nothing else from this weekend, at least give that a look.

Yeah, match of the weekend so far.

[Browning]

I've heard reviews from "Match of the year" to "utter shite made to put over the least deserving team at the expense of the other 2". Sadly, I'm not sure if I care enough about NXT to watch it. It's really died a death since the brand split robbed the talent.

[7om]

The brand split hasn't had much of an effect, I'd say. NXT weekly tv went downhill straight after they called up Owens, Zayn, Neville, Charlotte and Sasha in such a short space and of course when Dusty died. The drop off was very noticeable after Dusty so it looks like he might have been the brain behind a lot of it.

I don't understand the AoP hate. They're perfectly fine and they look even better after this win.

[Queenslander]

Caught a couple of matches of interest on YouTube. Nothing stood out at all apart from AJ easily being the best bloke in the company. All in all Wrestle Kingdom is still very much the show of the year.

[Disco]

I've heard reviews from "Match of the year" to "utter shite made to put over the least deserving team at the expense of the other 2". Sadly, I'm not sure if I care enough about NXT to watch it. It's really died a death since the brand split robbed the talent.


There's no doubt it would have been a better finish had one of the other teams won but it also wouldn't have made much sense in a wider context. I thought Wrestlemania was pretty good on the whole, a couple of slightly duff matches along the way but for something that could have gone horribly wrong it was a hell of a show.

Not sure what Mojo fucking Rawley is doing winning the BR but I was distracted by Big Damo somehow being there almost to the end.

Corbin/Ambrose - I didn't really care very much before, during or after.

AJ/Shane - Surprisingly good, extremely pleased that AJ won and (shit punches apart) I thought Shane was great. That shooting star press was mental.

KO/Jericho - Decent, nothing amazing.

Raw Womens Title - I liked this, all three of them bundling Jax was great. Charlotte is still amazing but I see the sense in Bayley winning, plus it looked like a crazy reaction.

Tag Ladder Match - Fucking mental scenes, marked out like a little bitch when that music hit. Fat Matt being the standout #moment (fuck off JBL) at Wrestlemania, what a bizarre thought that would have been a year ago.

Mixed Tag - Awful. Miz got completely buried in a feud the demonstrated how good he's been lately. I skipped the inevitable proposal, good for them and all but I can't think of many things I care less about.

HHH/Rollings - What a fucking stupid entrance, HHH looked an utter berk on his little trike. He then gobbed all over his wife which was nice. Match was decent enough, I liked the end but it went on a bit long.

SD Womens Title - Do people care about Naomi? I'm not sure I do, and whoever was cueing up the entrance music was in a hurry because at one point there were three people on that ridiculously long ramp.

Orton/Wyatt - Eugh, bit of a stinker. Especially when you consider that Bray oooh, the ring is beetles Randall, what are you gonna do now!! Wyatt got buried by the blandest man in wrestling.

Lesnar/Goldberg - I thought it was great, silly big red men knocking lumps off each other non stop for 5-10 minutes. I hope that's the last oe they do as it was a good way to end it.

Roman/Taker - The match was pretty turd and Undertaker has hung around for a few more years than he should have, he was walking like Khali ffs. I'm not sure what the point of this was, it's not like people could hate Reigns more than they do.


Horribly distracted all through by the insanely long entrance ramp. Wyatt took about a year to get to the ring and if the Undertaker had had to do the whole thing I think we'd still be there.

[Browning]

Pretty similar to my thoughts on most of those. I'm fairly sure Lesnar/Goldberg didn't even reach 5 minutes though (not that it matters, it was what it was).

[Lewis]

Baroque Lesnar vs Goldberg was Hogan vs Andre levels of shit, but at least it gets Lesnar back over as being almost unbeatable. I wonder who will come out tonight and cha... Roman Reigns mate obviously.

[Disco]

Tonga Jeff would be better.

[Browning]

Hopefully it's MoJo Rawley. His battle royal win should entitle him to move to RAW or just do whatever he wants really.

[Lewis]

Is that knobhead who helped him (who seems to be quite good according to Wikipedia) a popular figure, or is he one of those dickheads that even his own fans think is a cock?

[7om]

Lol at that spot, though. The big freak jumps the barrier and that security bint obviously wasn't in on it. Cue the refs having to drag her away whilst at the same time looking as if to stop the geezer. Shambles.

[7om]

Caught a couple of matches of interest on YouTube. Nothing stood out at all apart from AJ easily being the best bloke in the company. All in all Wrestle Kingdom is still very much the show of the year.

After watching a bit more of the independents recently, I'm seriously considering signing up to NJPW World to give it a go. Will Genesis be good this weekend, you think?

[Queenslander]

After watching a bit more of the independents recently, I'm seriously considering signing up to NJPW World to give it a go. Will Genesis be good this weekend, you think?

Okada v Shibata could very well be another 5 star match. Okada is just a freak and can have classicss with anyone.

https://www.njpw1972.com/tornament/1855?showCards=1

It will be a lot better than Wrestle Mania with the last 3 matches pissing on the top of the card. Kenny Omega will probably be more wacky in his tag match.

[Ian]

Raw was mostly good fun, though I was wondering if last night/tonight we'd be seeing a bit of Nakamura so I was disappointed (even though I should have realised exactly what was going to happen) when Pap O'Shango came out.


Is that knobhead who helped him (who seems to be quite good according to Wikipedia) a popular figure, or is he one of those dickheads that even his own fans think is a cock?

He's a bit of a monster as a player and other than low-level bellend-ery he's largely popular, I think.

[Browning]

He does play for the Patriots, so that doesn't help.

I skimmed through RAW in about 15 minutes... it seemed alright, but returns/call ups aside seemed pretty standard. If they really do try for Lesnar Vs Braun it'll be a farce.

[Lewis]

Kur Tangle. :cool:

[7om]

I'm trying hard not to be cynical but can't help thinking they'll ruin him within a month. Not having Stephanie there to immediately cut off his balls does help, though.

[Pleb]

Vince: Hey guys I've just shown up to tell you that Wrasslemania is over and GUESS WHAT?!? DRAFT NEXT WEEK!!

TTH: :face:

[Browning]

I think a draft is needed to be fair. So many people need to move.