The Ultimate WWE Thread

[Pleb]

Taker, Bork, Berg and Angle will probably be the last four entrants in that order.

Imagine the scenes if these four are left standing.

[Lewis]

Kur Tangle. :drool:

[Queenslander]

:drool:

Put the Raw belt on him so he can put over Nakamura!

[Pleb]

Taker, Bork, Berg and Angle will probably be the last four entrants in that order.

Imagine the scenes if these four are left standing.
...in addition to this post, are we expecting the H to stick his nose in this wankfest?

[Lewis]

Marty Jannetty was in, but apparently he still can't walk.

[Ian]

The end to that tag title match on Raw was strange.

[Disco]

Marty Jannetty was in, but apparently he still can't walk.

Dude got kicked through a window, no wonder.

[Lewis]

He wins the Rumble, wins the Smackdown belt in the penultimate WrestleMania match (after another lol feud with Don Cena), and then starts mouthing off about TNA until Mick Foley comes out and turns the Raw match into a triple threat which he wins before retiring. :drool:

[Jeet]

HOF basically confirmed Angle not returning. Too risky with addiction to painkillers and his neck issues.

[Lewis]

I've been listening to some Ryback shoots today/yesterday, and he seems like a bit of a pleb. Yeah, mate. Of course you and Baroque Les-nar would have broken pay per view records if they had given you a mega push. Yeah.

[Queenslander]

On the Stone Cold podcast he said that he could replace Don Cena.

[Shindig]

He'll wind up dead at 50 from heart problems.

[Ian]

Because Blampied doesn't do How WWE Should.... videos as often as I'd like I've been giving Wrestling With Wregret a go. Not bad.

Are JR's podcasts any good?

[Disco]

Worth a look, as are some of Sam Roberts.

[Gray Fox]

He did a should book of the Royal Rumble yesterday. I thought it was pretty good, though I'm a little unconvinced by his choice of winner.

[igor_balis]

Are JR's podcasts any good?

Comes out with some vaguely interesting ideas sometimes, but there's a few things he just constantly bangs on about regardless of context. Yeah, heels acting cool and not cheating is annoying, we know, yeah, reintroducing time-limit draws and being more consistent on DQ calls would be an improvement, we fucking KNOW.

He's an absolutely hopeless interviewer, though. Beyond awful. He asks really leading questions, usually about stuff which interests himself rather than relating to the guest, then sorta gives his own opinion in a way that would make it hard for the other person to disagree.

They could find a way to bring Benoit back from the dead, and the interview would still follow the formula of:

"So Chris. Time-limit draws? Do you think we should bring them back. [insert pointless shit 10 minute Jim Barnett impression] I think they should bring back time-limit draws because blah blah blah blah blah. What do you think?" "...errr, yeah I suppose you're right, Jim".

[igor_balis]

The Lapsed Fan is the absolute GOAT wrestling (and generally, to be honest) podcast. Unfortunately it is the kind of thing which on first listen can feel REALLY annoying and obnoxious, and I absolutely hated the hosts for the first hour or so.

Luckily I'm able to put up with stuff if I have enough reason to believe it is actually good, and now I fucking love them and their show. To the extent that I contribute a tenner a month on patreon. They only have about 7,000 followers on twitter last time I checked, but their monthly patreon amount is over $1000 which is a pretty staggering ratio.

People get put off by the mammoth run-times (WM 17 was 8 hours, lol), but I think that's missing the point. Just like, pause it, yeah? They even got Davey Meltz to contribute ~15-30 minutes to each of their WM and Starcade podcasts, on account of Jack being a proper MMA journo that Dave respects.

If anyone is really looking for something new to listen to, and are willing to persevere through the initial "who are these twats", then deffo give it a go. Just pick a random PPV they're reviewed which you like (or hate, I suppose), ideally a more recent one (during or after their WM run), because they're better now.

[Gray Fox]

Shout out to OSW Review.

Most here will probably know of them, but they are a great listen/watch.

[Browning]

He did a should book of the Royal Rumble yesterday. I thought it was pretty good, though I'm a little unconvinced by his choice of winner.

Even before I saw the bookies had him as 1st/2nd favorite (and that may have changed since) I was saying that Jericho was the best choice to win the Rumble. We know that Owens/Jericho is happening at Mania (right?) and I'd love to see them do a storyline similar to what happened with HHH and Batista where HHH was trying to convince Big Dave to go to Smackdown, only it would be more entertaining just because it's Jericho and Owens instead of HHH/Batista.

I don't think he will because there's been a few rumbles where Jericho was probably the best choice to win, and he didn't, but for me he'd be the guy this year no question.

Edit- Wow, he's down to 6th... such a shame.

[SvN]

Braun is the current favourite :uhoh: Surely not? He's doing well at the moment, let it happen organically.

[Gray Fox]

I'd say not for Jericho as I'm sure his band is booked on the festival scene, so he'll be off again soon.

If it's not The Undertaker I'll be very surprised. I'd personally have it be Balor as he never lost his belt, or someone surprise like Samoa Joe. Absolutely anything is preferable to Strowman.

[Browning]

Undertaker doesn't need it and won't be around after Mania.

It's pretty much a certainty Jericho is getting a Universal Title match with Owens, so the Rumble makes sense, even if he is leaving after it. It's also just about the only thing he's never achieved, so may as well give it to him for being the best thing on RAW all year.

Balor can fuck off. He never should have got the belt in the first place.

[Lewis]

The Undertaker will win it because why else would he be in it?

[Disco]

Having Taker enter and lose would be utterly pointless, the only sensible explanation is they want to give him a title to retire with.

[Shindig]

Then Mean Mark runs away with the title to TNA.

[SvN]

I thought Jericho wasn't off until the summer. He'll be around for Mania, surely.

As for Taker, he either wins or his angle for Mania is setup during the match.

[Lewis]

The Undertaker wins, he feuds with Don Cena - possibly with a retirement angle to make it unpredictable - and then Don Cena finally turns heel to keep his belt a la Stone Cold at WrestleMania X-Seven.

[SvN]

For the first time in years, a Cena heel turn actually seems like a possibility, given his part time status.

[Browning]

Taker winning would definitely lead to him not appearing until the RAW before mania where the Champ cuts a promo and the lights go out and Taker appears, hits a Tombstone, yells "REST IN PEACE" and then jobs at Mania.

[Ian]

Taker stuff:

Things I inadvertently read suggested WWE had cancelled the planned stuff with Cena. Supposedly because they've actually decided neither of them need it and should be pushing future guys. I believe the story, not the reason.


Balor can fuck off. He never should have got the belt in the first place.

I'm sure I'll see a match of his I like one day. Should I check out his Balor Club stuff? The NXT matches of his I've seen do nowt for me.

[Lewis]

'OIM FINN BAILORR...'
*tunes out*

[Browning]

Balor Club/Bullet Club/Mint Club do nothing for me. It's just a bunch of random dudes hanging out for.... REASONS. Yes, AJ Styles is ridiculously good and was part of it, but past that, why should I care? It's not like Festus is a world beater.

[Browning]

I was so bored this morning I actually checked out RAW. It was shit, as normal.

[wullie]

I liked Seth Rollins losing after being distracted, nice to see them trying new things.

[SvN]

Yeah it was really crap. Completely undervalues the pedigree on the apron he gave him too.

[Browning]

Agreed, that was bollocks. Why not pin him and then worry about Trips? Why are all faces so stupid?

The Tag Title thing is a mess. A TWO REFEREES MATCH on the pre-show because the referees made the correct call last week? Have I missed something there? (I was away for 2 weeks so other than the recaps I don't know what happened). Either way it seems like something no one should care about.

I'm told Bayley and Charlotte cut a terrible promo last week so it seems only logical to have them both talk this week and not compete.

My other random observations:
- At one point Goldbergs blood looked like a Harry Potter scar. Why the fuck was he bleeding from cutting a promo anyway? He needs to fuck off.
- Holy shit chants at the end of the show? Really?
- Nia Jax has the EXACT same voice as Chyna. Close your eyes and it's like she's back with us.
- Alicia Fox has been in the WWE for over a decade, yet she still can't act.
- Everything Cruiserweights do on RAW is still shit.

[SvN]

Goldberg headbutts the door open when he bursts out of his dressing room.

[wullie]

They shouldn't have Nia Jax talk, her voice doesn't match the character at all. Like, y'know, whatever

[7om]

Why are you watching, Browning? You quit a few years back when it was admittedly bad but now is immeasurably worse. Why even bother?

[Browning]

I don't really watch it I mainly just watch What Cultures videos to keep up with it. I thought I'd give it a go this week but I won't make that mistake again. I'll watch the Rumble just for Kurt Angle but that'll be it. When he's not there and Strowman wins I'll cancel the network and not even bother with Mania. :D

[wullie]

You've still got a network subscription?

[Browning]

I've always had the network, mainly for old stuff but I do usually watch the latest PPVs too. I just don't bother with RAW or Smackdown.

[SvN]

I'm thinking of knocking it on the head. I only use it for PPVs, and I can get those via sportsmania

[7om]

I might sign up for the free trial to watch the Rumble but even that I'm not that bothered about. Will be interesting to see if Omega shows up though.

EDIT: And I've just seen they're holding it in the Alamodome which has something like a 50,000 capacity. Will be interesting to see if they can fill it.

[wullie]

I think they will, Rumble and WM sell tickets on name alone usually.

[Lewis]

They should have been holding the main four pay per views at bigger arenas for years. Vince McMahon is OUT OF TOUCH(!).

[Pleb]

Is the show starting an hour early Sunday?

There's a two hour pre show for fuck sake.

[bruhnaldo]

That's what they were saying, and they're having the tag match on the preshow at 5pm.

So stupid.

[Browning]

They should have been holding the main four pay per views at bigger arenas for years. Vince McMahon is OUT OF TOUCH(!).

Exactly this. I think the biggest crowd for a non-mania PPV is something like 20,000 which is pathetic when you consider the monopoly they have on the industry.

Edit- Obviously excluding Summerslam 92 as well, although I've just seen Rumble 97 was 60k. But other than those 2 events they've never drawn a big crowd outside of Mania.

[wullie]

There was some Australian show that had a monster crowd, but that's because they never went to Australia otherwise. Biggest in history is still Ric Flair vs North Korea in that 200000-seater.

[Ian]

It's a pity they did that shitty ending for Zayn/Rollins because that whole finishing sequence was otherwise quite nice, with the potential for the Helluva Kick on the outside and it becoming the Pedigree instead.

[Ian]

Smackdown barely seemed interested in pushing the Rumble.

I enjoyed the Cena/Style segment. I loved Cena's digs at his critics.

[Weaver]

Sky Bet have started taking Request A Bets for the Royal Rumble. Here are some odds:
Randy Orton is the favourite to win @ 5/4

Goldberg, Undertaker @ 4/1
Strowman @ 9/2
Balor @ 11/2
Samoa Joe @ 6/1
Jericho @ 9/1
Lesnar @ 14/1
Wyatt and Zayn @ 16/1
Corbin, Cena and Miz @ 20/1

Goldberg to eliminate five or more @ 11/10
Sami Zayn to last the longest time @ 5/4
Goldberg, Lesnar and Undertaker to be the final three @ 5/2
Strowman to eliminate Goldberg and Lesnar @ 7/2
Baylor and Angle both to enter @ 5/1
Rusev to eliminate Angle @ 8/1
Joe to eliminate Balor @ 12/1
Cesaro and Sheamus to be Entrants #1 and #2 @ 20/1
Wyatt and Strowman to be Entrants #1 and #2 @ 25/1
Daniel Bryan to enter @ 33/1
Undertaker and Michaels to be Entrants #29 and #30 @ 80/1

[SvN]

I read earlier than Orton's odds had suddenly plummeted. My prediction is that Orton and Bray eliminate everyone as a team, then Orton refuses to eliminate himself when it's just those two left. Then Bray wins the title at EC.

[Queenslander]

Suzuki Gun is looking like a good rival to put over Okada. Definitely helps that Minoru Suzuki is a proper unlikeable heel.

[Queenslander]

Suzuki Gun is looking like a good rival to put over Okada. Definitely helps that Minoru Suzuki is a proper unlikeable heel.

[Ian]

I still have no idea who I think will win, which is lovely.

[Browning]

Orton would be the most boring winner possible.

[Ian]

Reigns to beat Owens, win the Rumble and wrestle himself for an hour at Wrestlemania.

[SvN]

http://i.imgur.com/XNwxHKh.jpg

[Gray Fox]

I bet he eliminates all 29 other men, using his only 2 moves. Superman punches and spears for everyone!

[Shindig]

But there'll be nobody left for Goldberg

[Baz]

Reigns to beat Owens, win the Rumble and wrestle himself for an hour at Wrestlemania.http://i53.tinypic.com/6roe49.jpg

[Pleb]

But there'll be nobody left for Goldberg
Roman Reigns.

[Ian]

After catching up on Toronto (the 2/3 falls tag match was phenomenal) I watched a few matches from NXT's San Antonio show last night. DIY made Authors of Pain look better than they possibly are. Really enjoyed Nakamura/Roode as well, and I imagine now the speculation will be whether that outcome means he'll be in the Rumble now.

Was also surprised to see Rollins turn up. Did make sense for it to happen though, as did the outcome of the thing.

[Disco]

Makes sense if he's looking for HHH, it's the only place he ever turns up.

[Dan]

Alright lads :hat:

Probably gonna give the Rumble a look tonight, although I doubt I'll make it all the way through until the actual match itself, especially considering I'm working tomorrow.

From keeping an eye on this thread & the dirtsheets I can see it's still shit, but hopefully I'll get more than one match in without getting bored. What time does it all start?

[Browning]

About 4pm yesterday if the last few events are anything to go by.

But seriously, no idea. The pre-show card is almost as big as the real one.

[Ian]

Some dodgy-looking website I was on earlier suggested the Rumble pre-show starts at 10pm UK time.

[Gray Fox]

Any guesses on the Kofi Kingston avoiding elimination method this year?

[Shindig]

By never entering in the first place.

[Ian]

Something to do with a giant box of Booty-Os.

[Browning]

He wins the rumble.

[Pleb]

Alright lads :hat:

Probably gonna give the Rumble a look tonight, although I doubt I'll make it all the way through until the actual match itself, especially considering I'm working tomorrow.

From keeping an eye on this thread & the dirtsheets I can see it's still shit, but hopefully I'll get more than one match in without getting bored. What time does it all start?


Some dodgy-looking website I was on earlier suggested the Rumble pre-show starts at 10pm UK time.
10pm-12am is the Pre Show.

12am start.

[Lewis]

My Network-having friend selfishly joined the Navy, so what is my best bet for streaming this?

[Browning]

A free network trial.

[Baz]

My Network-having friend selfishly joined the Navy, so what is my best bet for streaming this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/WWEstreams/comments/5qsfsj/watch_wwe_royal_rumble_2017_12917_29th_january/

[Disco]

I'm already twos up on my network sub so you;re out of luck there.

Try this http://www.stream2watch.cc/stream-sport/wrestling/wwe-royal-rumble-2017-live-stream

[Lewis]

I'll go with the free trial, and then, when my internet is too shit for it to work, I'll find a grainy stream.

[Shindig]

Ideally you want to follow it on teletext or ceefax.

[Lewis]

The thinking man's internet.

[Pleb]

Lol at putting the RAW Women's title on the pre show.

[Shindig]

Means they sneak a Mickie James twat grab when nobody's watching.

[Browning]

Lol at putting the RAW Women's title on the pre show.

It's not.

[Pleb]

There stalling.

I sense a Bayley win. Maybe this should of opened the main show.

It's not.
:confused:

Edit-Your right. It's sounded like it was a pretty show match though. Ignore me :baz:

[Ian]

A match stipulation that proved to be used for nothing and a pre-show title change. Impeccable thinking as always.

[Baz]

(You need a new Ian avatar.)

[Lewis]

I think it should be Ian Huntley.

[Browning]

Squashed.... literally.

[Lewis]

I didn't realise it was the thirtieth one tonight. That must guarantee a pointless Hacksaw Jim Duggan appearance.

[Browning]

Is this pre-show on TV in the States? If not, Cole telling us all that the network issues are cleared up for people to register is a bit pointless.

[SvN]

You can watch the preshow for free on Youtube.

[Lewis]

Does Shawn Michaels look great for fifty, or did he just look shit for thirty-five?

[SvN]

He hasn't really aged much in the last 15 years. But his hair is a bit tragic thesedays. I reckon he's almost totally bald on top.

[Pleb]

I sense a Bayley win. Maybe this should of opened the main show.
Clearly WWE are reading our posts :cool: :moop:

[Browning]

Bayley was never gonna win tonight. They're saving that for Mania.

[Pleb]

Well holy fuck that might of been the best women's match I've ever seen.

[Browning]

You need to watch more women's matches then. It was alright but nothing special.

[Lewis]

Bayley was never gonna win tonight. They're saving that for Mania.

'CHARLOTTE HAS NEVER LOST AT A PAY PER VIEW! SHE HAS NEVER LOST! WILL SHE LOSE TONIGHT, TWO MONTHS BEFORE WRESTLEMANIA?!'
'Proba...'
'NEVER! LOST!'

[Dan]

Oh good, I've shown up just in time for Roman Reigns. Maybe I'll just watch it tomorrow...

Reassuring to see (well, hear) he's still over as fuck :D

[Browning]

That stunner. :drool:

[Lewis]

Has anybody ever not been put through their own elaborate chair/table set-up?

[Pleb]

Strowman :drool:

[Lewis]

The way he put him through that table looked a bit awkward.

[Dan]

Strowman v Reigns at Mania then. At least this way Vince can focus all his attention on wanking over that one match & leave the rest of the show alone.

Is anyone really surprised that HHH is the person who's spent the most time in the Rumble match?

[Browning]

Fucking Ambrose reading the number upside down.

[Dan]

Not sure Swann dancing down the ramp sells this rivalry very well, but at least we also get two minutes of introducing every other announce team in the building.

[Lewis]

'OH YEAH? WELL GO LONDIS THEN! I'M NOT BOTHERED!'

Heel Neville. Nah, mate.

[Dan]

Things have gone well for The New Day since they lost the tag titles, huh?

[Lewis]

Google informs me that Don Cena hasn't tapped since 2003 (to Kur Tangle). :drool:

[Lewis]

:hail:

[Browning]

Credit where it's due, that was amazing.

[SvN]

Yep, best match I've seen in years. I thought I'd hate Cena winning, but I really didn't mind at all.

[SvN]

I'm so excited. I hope this doesn't disappoint. The event has been good so far.

[Lewis]

Alright, lads. There isn't going to be enough time for the Goldberg and Undertaker entrances at this rate.

[Dark Soldier]

Is Jericho a homosexual now?

[Lewis]

They really need to get Big Cass a leotard.

[Dark Soldier]

A fucking umbrella why

[Lewis]

He looks like Foe in a wig.

[Browning]

That umbrella is the MVP of the rumble so far.

[Lewis]

Absolutely no reaction of any sort for Corbin. Chump.

[Browning]

Goldberg next for sure.

Edit- Or not :( Stupid that none of the big 3 have come in yet and we're 19 in.

[Dark Soldier]

I don't know who most of these are. Is Bret Hart in it

[Lewis]

One will be along next to chuck a few of these plebs out.

[Browning]

This is bollocks. 22 men in and Orton, Taker, Lesnar and Goldberg all to come. Are there going to be no proper surprises?

[Lewis]

If the Kur Tangle music hits I'm going to shit myself and trash the kitchen.

[Browning]

That or it coming crashing down is the only thing that can save this.

[Lewis]

I suppose Tangle needed Rusev to be standing there like the big man, which doesn't look like happening. The spot will be the main three standing there and some wally getting number thirty.

[Dark Soldier]

All the old lazy cunts coming in last. Gonna be top level stuff.

[Browning]

Enzo. Fuck right off.

[Lewis]

They should have extended the time between entries, since everybody is taking thirty seconds to get down the ramp.

[Lewis]

Groan.

[Dark Soldier]

Haha

[Browning]

30 will be Jack Swagger, nailed on.

[Dark Soldier]

Yes mate

[SvN]

Sorry, but Roman at 30 is fucking hilarious

[Dark Soldier]

The crowd :happycry::happycry::happycry:

[Browning]

Jack Swagger would have been better.

Not one surprise return, fuck off.

[Lewis]

I don't mind Randy Orton, but is WrestleMania really better for having him in the main event?

[Lewis]

All things considered, that was crapper than the one Roman Reigns won.

[Browning]

Indeed, that's the most disappointing Rumble match I can remember in a long time. Whole thing just felt so flat.

Cena Vs AJ was outstanding though so that made it worth it.

[Lewis]

It wasn't just wasting all the HYPED entrants, and the lack of surprises. What was everyone even doing for most of it? Chris Jericho will never work an easier match.

[SvN]

There was no payoff at all to Jericho hiding the entire match. I can't believe there wasn't a single surprise entry other than Dillinger. I'm not sure that even counts, given he's in NXT. When was the last time we had a Rumble without a single comeback surprise?

[7om]

'Biggest Rumble ever,' Cole kept saying. What a load of shit. No surprises and the pacing was mental. Almost no eliminations in the middle and then the whole roster gets owned by Goldberg and Lesnar in about a minute. Lol if they're going with Cena - Orton to main event Mania. Awful.

Best match of the night, before the crap ending, was KO - Reigns. Really thought they put on a good show but the Cena-esque protected loss for Reings is the exact reason why people hate him so much, but of course they never learn. Fans end up hating Reigns more and Owens looks like a chump.

Cena - Styles... fuck me. More of the same old garbage doing finisher after finisher for 10 minutes. That's just not what I enjoy watching and yet every Cena match follows the same pattern and people love it. I don't get it at all.

[Queenslander]

I'm definitely a New Japan wanker after fast forwarding through that shit house PPV.

[Waffdon]

Only seen the results, but surely not another Orton/Cena feud? :D

[Shindig]

John and Randy Wyatt.

[wullie]

http://i.imgur.com/FPMB30Wl.jpg

[SvN]

I just saw that myself. Absolutely amazing. I did think Mark Henry's entrance was weird. I thought a fan had invaded the entrance ramp or something, given the sudden cut away.

[Ian]

Women - Meh

Owens - Reigns was good with some properly hard-looking spots. Owens looks weak again but we knew that was going to happen.

Cruisers - Meh

Styles - Cena was doing well early doors, then just became another moveswap building into Cena steamrollering it at the end. Good match but a bit disappointing after some of their previous efforts.

Rumble - I thought the first third or half of it was really, really good. No low points, some comedy, some good spots (that Ellsworth one was surely not meant to see him land like that?) then it spent too long with a load of guys doing nothing, then it went a bit weird when the old guys and Lesnar turned up, then Reigns turned up instead of literally any surprise entrant, then they have that fucking final three and Orton wins it? Whuh? A lot of decent work done early doors just to lose the plot as they go along. Is that one surprise entrant (Styles) in the last two years?

The Mania card isn't looking up to much so far.

[Baz]

I'm definitely a New Japan wanker after fast forwarding through that shit house PPV.Me too and I've only ever seen one match.

Rumble was turd.

[Pleb]

I feel asleep before Cena-Styles started.

I take it the event went downfall after that match then :baz:

[wullie]

They were clever putting Reigns in at 30, without that Randy Orton would have been pointing at the sign to absolutely no reaction.

[Dan]

That was terrible :D

The Rumble was awful, with no surprises, and a load of jobbers to be destroyed by the obvious five big men. Strowman eliminated everyone except one person while he was in, I believe, then Goldberg gubbing Lesnar inside a minute again makes you wonder why anyone would want to see another match when Goldberg is obviously 1000x better than Lesnar. Reigns is going to be in the final four every year he isn't champion. Kofi was pointless this year too, and basically nothing worthwhile came out of the whole match.

Everything else was standard WWE. Cena/AJ was alright, but I was wanting them to end the match about 15mins before it actually finished.

It's still all shit, basically. See you for Mania :)

[Lewis]

Baroque Les-nar is surely going over at 'Mania, since he will just be dead and buried otherwise. Plus it would mean Goldberg having to pick up his slack for at least two years, as he is the only draw big enough to run through people six times a year and justify the level of protection Les-nar was previously getting, which he isn't going to do. I think their spot made sense in that respect, so that just leaves you wondering what Undertaker was brought back for.

[Dan]

To get pinned by Reigns in thirty seconds, obviously. The two main events of Mania will last five minutes total :drool:

EDIT: Oh fuck I've just read dirtsheet Mania title rumours :D It might be even worse than last year.

[Pleb]

Taker could get Strowman but he might have Boo Reigns. So we're looking at Bork v Berg, Haitch v Rololins and AJ Styles v Flair Cenahhh as confirmed (near enough) mania matches.

[Dan]

Cryptic pseudo-spoiler?

From what I've seen WrestleMania 2003 is going to give us two great title matches this year.

(Not actual WM 19, by the way. Hogan v Vince & Lesnar v Angle would be amazing though)

[Pleb]

Actually after watching the shite festival that is the Rumble match. Taker may get Boo Reigns which could be lol.

[Gray Fox]

The only way I could see this being saved would be to have Bray Wyatt win the belt before April and have the Wyatt family crumble completely with the Orton v Wyatt match.

[7om]

I've seen some people predicting that as well. But would they really only give Cena a two-week title reign (assuming he loses at Elimination Chamber)? I could believe it if we're talking about some random scrub but golden boy John?

I really wouldn't be surprised to see it stay as Orton vs Cena at Mania.

[SvN]

I really wouldn't be surprised to see it stay as Orton vs Cena at Mania.
Zero chance of that happening.

[Queenslander]

Samoa Joe!!! :drool:

Edit: If that means Nakamura to Smackdown for him to fued with AJ then fuck me! Check out their Wrestle Kingdom match for reference.

#NewJapanwanker

[wullie]

I could see Orton, Cena and Wyatt in a triple threat as no combination of them in a 1vs1 match appeals at all.

[Browning]

There is zero chance Cena has a two week reign. Even if he did, there'd be even less chance of him just going "oh well that's that then" and not getting his rematch at Mania. Orton Vs Wyatt for the title just has no logical path to it. It either has to be a Triple Threat, or Orton has to lose the title shot.

[Gray Fox]

Also Vince apparently detests triple threat matches for the title. That being said someone with the backstage power like Cena or Orton would mean he could be convinced they deserve it fairly quickly. Someone like Wyatt however would be very hard pressed to.

[7om]

Zero chance of that happening.

Why? Do you think they're going to let Cena have a short reign?

[Browning]

The only way Cena has a short reign (and it would be taking the piss) is if he's breaking the record at Mania. There's no way we get Wyatt Vs Orton unless it's not for the title (due to Orton losing the shot at Elimination Chamber).

Also any company that lets Bray Wyatt be their World Champion, even for a month, needs to be shut down.

[Lewis]

I thought that that Triple Haitch promo was hinting at Tonga Jeff, but I figured he was dead and moved on. Tonga Jeff. :cool:

[Weaver]

I wonder where this leaves AJ Styles for Wrestlemania, then?

I can't see who on the roster is near his level and he hasn't already beaten over the last six months.

[wullie]

The main rumour is Shane McMahon for some reason

[Browning]

Yea, that's what I've heard. God I hope not.

[Shindig]

Bobby.

Rooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[Ian]

I like this clip, "If JR called the Rumble": http://streamable.com/x8344


Also any company that lets Bray Wyatt be their World Champion, even for a month, needs to be shut down.

As much as it'd be out of nowt given they've done bugger all with him for however long now it still wouldn't be their stupidest decision as to who to give their World titles to.

Tonga Jeff. :cool: Him vs. Rollins at Fastlane before Rollins/HHH at Mania? Rollins the babyface of course, having just threatened Stephanie's children.

[SvN]

Bray wins EC. It's been the rumour for weeks now.

[Browning]

Bray wins EC. It's been the rumour for weeks now.

It has, but I just don't see it. He's not world title material, Cena isn't having a 2 week reign with no rematch and it would just be boring. If they seriously go with Orton Vs Wyatt for the title I will not bother.

[wullie]

I could possibly see Cena losing it quickly, with the idea of him breaking Flair's record at Wrestlemania and making the big deal out of it they seemed to forget to do when he matched him.

[Smiffy]

I've just spent the past hour on my death bed watching the Royal Rumble. What a waste of time that was.

[Browning]

Indeed. I think it has to be the worst Rumble match of all time, and probably comfortably so.

[Browning]

Seth is hurt again so look for all plans to change and HHH to win the chamber before beating Orton, Cena, Lesnar and Goldberg all by submission.

[Lewis]

I had heard about Triple Haitch vs Seth Rollin[g]s at 'Mania, but Tonga Jeff showing up made me think that they would feud through it. Was the plan to just bury Jeff in a month and then force Haitch into his annual return from retirement?

[Browning]

I had heard about Triple Haitch vs Seth Rollin[g]s at 'Mania, but Tonga Jeff showing up made me think that they would feud through it. Was the plan to just bury Jeff in a month and then force Haitch into his annual return from retirement?

I assumed that Rollins would beat Joe to set up the HHH match, which is why I wasn't at all excited for the way they debuted Joe. He deserves better.

[Pleb]

Seth is hurt again so look for all plans to change and HHH to win the chamber before beating Orton, Cena, Lesnar and Goldberg all by submission.
ACL again isn't it?

That's Mania fucked for him then. The card for the Chamber is full of lol at the moment. Tag Team Turmoil Chamber match? Didn't the last tag team chamber match suck?

[Disco]

The Rumble during which Mark Henry was ferried to the ring on a golf cart cannot, by definition, be the worst one ever.
http://i.imgur.com/0FjrfTT.jpg

Wrestlemania though, that sounds like it's going to be an absolute stinker, Cena / Orton (in 2017 no less) looks like the best match.

[wullie]

This year's Rumble match was better than most as an actual match (at least until all the big contenders turned up to clean house and get eliminated within seconds), it's just they usually have Honky Tonk Man turn up or someone like that.

[Disco]

The Undertaker looking properly fat and broken was the worst part, he was moving like Khali. Should have chucked it in a couple of years ago.

[SvN]

He had hip surgery a couple of months ago. I think the logic is that he'll be recovered by Mania, but had to enter the Rumble to setup the angle with Reigns. I think they were hoping that he could hobble in, stand around a bit delivering a few chokeslams, then take 1 bump to get eliminated.

His match with Shane last year was a bit crap, but I thought his matches with Lesnar at Summerslam and HIAC were great. And Lesnar hasn't had a decent match with anyone since then, so I'm not sure he's totally past it just yet.

[Disco]

Taker vs Reigns sounds utterly turgid, a guy who can't wrestle anymore against a guy who never really could in the first place.

[SvN]

Reigns is a great wrestler, let's not suddenly pretend he's not just because his character is shit.

[Queenslander]

That superman punch they gave him needs to stop I reckon. They should give him the one winged angel. :drool:

http://m.imgur.com/gallery/xGkwlwn

[wullie]

Reigns is good, but like Ambrose with that rope clothesline thing they really need to limit the amount of times he does that superman punch.

[Disco]

He can't carry a match for someone like Taker, it'll be unmitigated wank.

[SvN]

So apparently, they're going for John Cena & Nikki Bella vs. The Miz & Maryse at Mania. :uhoh:

[Disco]

That's not even the worst bit. They're doing AJ vs Shane for some mad reason.

[wullie]

I'm all for Miz getting elevated, but that's a waste of John Cena. I'd just have him and Styles go again on the GRANDADDY OF THEM ALL.

[SvN]

He'll propose in the ring. Nailed on.

[Disco]

I'm all for Miz getting elevated, but that's a waste of John Cena. I'd just have him and Styles go again on the GRANDADDY OF THEM ALL.

How though, you can't wangle Styles into the title match without making it another shit triple threat thing.

[wullie]

I'd let Orton and Wyatt have the title match instead, Cena and Styles sells itself already.

[Disco]

We're back to none of it really making any sense. Hardly a shock these days though.

[Ian]

Reigns is a great wrestler, let's not suddenly pretend he's not just because his character is shit.

He can't carry a match for someone like Taker, it'll be unmitigated wank.

I agree with both of you. Reigns is perfectly capable of holding up his end of the bargain against somebody really good but he's not carrying anybody.

I also don't think the proposed Cena/Taker match would have been much cop either. Undertaker just needs to give it up.



This year's Rumble match was better than most as an actual match (at least until all the big contenders turned up to clean house and get eliminated within seconds), it's just they usually have Honky Tonk Man turn up or someone like that.

I think I said on here but I definitely said to other people that I thought up to.... the first third or so I think, it was really good. It was starting to wobble before Strowman went (though his elimination was good), then it died on it's arse for what felt like hours and then it properly shat the bed when the biggest names were in. And of course the the last stages of it were as disappointing as they were shit.

[Pleb]

Rumor mill...
Expect Haitch or Cenahhh to get Samoa Joe. They still seem to be hell bent on putting the title on Wyatt for some reason. :moop:

[Lewis]

You don't realise how fat Tonga Jeff is until you see him in normal clothes. It's a good job he never turned up eighteen years ago, otherwise he would have got a bowler hat and an Oddjob gimmick (still time for that, mind).

[Shindig]

He turned up in 2003 on an episode of Heat, though. Near miss.

[Lewis]

He wasn't a cube then.

[Disco]

He could have been in 2Cool as Rikishis butler. :drool:

[Ian]

At least they made Tonga Jeff look really strong in his debut match by having him win because of a distraction.

Though at least Reigns wasn't totally being the classic easily-distracted-WWE-babyface because Strowman was actually going to get into the ring.

[Browning]

WCPW true destiny tomorrow. I don't know much about a lot of these guys, but I feel like it's a decent card.

[Mike]

Going watching ICW again next month :D

[Disco]

WCPW true destiny tomorrow. I don't know much about a lot of these guys, but I feel like it's a decent card.

I'm looking forward to Sabre Jr vs Banks, Ricochet vs Ospreay, the womens match and also seeing Pentagon could be interesting. Plus Kurt of course, always good.

[Ian]

I still haven't made the effort to watch the original Ospreay vs. Ricochet match. Should probably do that although I think it's going to irritate me.

[Disco]

It's about as far from wrasslin as you can get but it's still bloody impressive.

[Browning]

I'm looking forward to Sabre Jr vs Banks, Ricochet vs Ospreay, the womens match and also seeing Pentagon could be interesting. Plus Kurt of course, always good.

Yea, I'm mainly going for Kurt but from what I've read some of the other matches should be decent.

[Disco]

I mean, you have to like that just a little bit.

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[Shindig]

Aye, unless that was the first spot of the match like he was Mike Awesome or somebody.

[Disco]

Well, the top rope has broken about 2 minutes into the first match so it's great start.

[Browning]

That was a great. Ricochets "top rope" moonsault was amazing.

[Pleb]

I'm tempted to give the chamber PPV a go tonight but the thought of Mauro yelling "Holy mama mia" is slightly putting me off.

[Browning]

I've got a mate in the US who is going but I'm quietly confident I saw at least 4 matches tonight that are better than anything he will get.

[Gray Fox]

There's another PPV already? Talk about over-saturation.

[Ian]

I wonder what the ALL-NEW Elimination Chamber entails. It's probably lowering the metal floors so they can include painfully telegraphed suicide dives.

[SvN]

I read that it's flat on top now, which makes it easier to assemble.

[Disco]

The 'bullet proof' perspex now stands up to someone knocking into it a bit.

[Browning]

I found the moonsault off the top rope... not sure how he isn't dead:

https://mobile.twitter.com/kingricochetcom/status/830850535959982081/photo/1

[Disco]

I'll sit down and watch it properly this week but from what I saw they adapted really well after the rope broke. What did you think of the ladder match and the women's match? Haven't had a chance to watch either yet.

[Browning]

I really enjoyed the ladder match, probably the second best of the night behind the opener. Women's match felt good enough but short. The only match I didn't really care for was Zack Sabre, I just found him dull.

Should point out the women's match was changed though, Nixon Newell was the challenger.

[Disco]

Yeah I can see how you might, he does a lot of mat based stuff which can feel a bit methodical.

They did a really good mixed tag a while back with Ospreay/Priestley vs Ricochet/Blanchard, well worth checking out.

[Browning]

I've seen bits of that match and it did indeed look decent. Shame Blanchard wasn't there tonight really.

[Smiffy]

I didn't realise there was a PPV tonight. Anyone fancy throwing the card up so I avoid spoilers checking myself?

[Browning]

Cena Vs Styles Vs Wyatt Vs Ambrose Vs Miz Vs Corbin in the chamber
Tag team turmoil with like 7 teams
Bliss Vs Naomi for the title
Nikki Vs Nattie
Mickie Vs Becky
Orton Vs Harper
Ziggler Vs Crews and Kalisto

[Smiffy]

Sod staying up for that. Cheers Browning.

[7om]

Bray :drool:

Couldn't think of a more deserving guy to get the title.

[Queenslander]

My guess is it will be the ROH Bullet Club and not the dregs left in Japan.

[Queenslander]

Okada's latest title defense is a ripper!

https://youtu.be/ULGrdcp-qgU

[Lewis]

If we don't even get Randy Orton kicking his head off out of all this then lol.

[Browning]

My guess is it will be the ROH Bullet Club and not the dregs left in Japan.

They've confirmed who it is. Adam Cole, Cody Rhodes and the Young Bucks.

True Destiny was comfortably better than that dross last night.

[wullie]

Giving John Cena a two-week title reign is alright if they're going to have him break Ric Flair's record and heart at Wrestlemania, but if not it just seems they're flinging the title round for no good reason when they could have just had Styles going in as champion.

[Disco]

Party like it's 1999 (or whatever year it was when they did the same thing).

[Queenslander]

They've confirmed who it is. Adam Cole, Cody Rhodes and the Young Bucks.

True Destiny was comfortably better than that dross last night.

That's good news I'm very jealous.

WCPW >WWE

[Weaver]

Teddy Long has been announced as the next inductee for the Hall of Fame, and speaking of announcements, Rosa Mendes has retired... Over 10 years after signing.

A modern day legend.

[Browning]

Did she ever win a match?

[Ian]

The ALL NEW chamber is better for spots but feels less claustrophobic outside the ring because of the extra space which makes it lighter too.

Surely they're not actually going to have the IC title competed for in a singles match at 'Mania!?

[Browning]

Marked out for that RAW main event a little.

[Lewis]

Gillberg. :cool:

[wullie]

Charlotte's going to win the title back at the next PPV only to lose her streak at Wrestlemania, by which time she'll already be a five time (five time) champion of a title that's only just turning a year old. MAKING HISTORY

[Browning]

My thought was they'd somehow get around having a rematch at Fast Lane (maybe do Charlotte/Dana Vs Bayley/Sasha if Sasha isn't still hurt?) and then they'd do title Vs streak at mania, but your way makes sense too. Either way, Bayley better leave Mania with the title.

[Weaver]

Did she ever win a match?

She's got a few tag team wins where her partner got the winning pin, a DQ win against Layla about five years ago and she pinned Cameron in a Survivor Series match (which her team lost).

She'll be missed, that's for sure.

[Pleb]

So the chamber match was pretty good I thought.

Shame the rest of the card sucked.

[SvN]

Orton V Harper was great I thought

[Ian]

Yeah I enjoyed Orton and Harper too.

Raw was decent. The outcome of the Festival of Friendship was obvious as soon as it started getting laid on so thick but I still found it very amusing. Enjoyed the main event as well.

[Lewis]

Its outcome was obvious last week when Kevi Nowens said he 'wouldn't miss it for the world' (or whatever it was).