The Ultimate WWE Thread

[Ian]

Presumably they won't have them sharing a ring aside from maybe a dramatic STAREDOWN. Would have also been better if they hadn't built up to it in fucking press conferences and just Goldberg interrupt Heyman/Baroque while they were doing some 'there's nobody left to job to THE BEAST' promo. Or something.

[Shindig]

What we really want to see is a shoot fight triple-threat between him, Regal and Jericho.

[Browning]

Was it the good WCW music or the shit one from his WWF run?

I haven't seen it but supposedly they used the WCW music when he came out and then the WWE music when he left, which is just bizarre.

I don't get Lesnar Vs Goldberg. It was shit 12 years ago and now one of them is pushing 50. If Goldberg wins it makes Brock and everyone he's destroyed look like shit because they lost to a guy who can't beat an OAP and if Lesnar wins then Goldberg was just a waste of time. It's just not doing it for me. Give me more Owens and Jericho.

[Ian]

I can't see a way in which the match won't be shit and the result seems a foregone conclusion. It's hard to imagine Goldberg will want to do A Brock Lesnar Match and as you say, there seems little point in anything other than a Lesnar win. Which means you presumably have them try to actually wrestle a proper match that Goldberg then loses. Goldberg's not up to that and Lesnar isn't interested in making anybody look good even if they're not twenty years older than him.

[Ian]

I didn't really understand the Heyman/Baroque segment on Raw. Is Heyman meant to be scared of Goldberg on Lesnar's behalf, hence the weird flustered promo? is Lesnar meant to have some festering resentment after their last match?

Odd.

[Browning]

Lesnar probably does legitimately have resentment about the last match after how it came together, but I've not seen the segment. It doesn't surprise me if it was shit though.

[Ian]

It was just the normal Lesnar standing about while Heyman cut a promo thing but Heyman was doing a lot of faux-stuttering and it was just odd.

[Lewis]

Trying to cut a heel promo in Baroque Lesnar's home town was good scheduling as well.

[Browning]

Yea just seen this on a dirt sheet:

According to Bryan Alvarez of Wrestling Observer Radio, Vince McMahon "blew a gasket" last night at WWE Monday Night RAW in Minneapolis due to the crowd's response during Brock Lesnar's segment with Paul Heyman.

Heyman tried to get the audience behind Goldberg, but fans chanted "Goldberg sucks" in support of the hometown favorite Brock Lesnar. Brian Alvarez also mentioned that this was not how the segment was supposed to end, and apparently Vince "pulled the plug" in the middle of Heyman's promo.

[Lewis]

They have wasted Lesnar for eighteen months, and this is a terrible programme. If he wins what was the point, and if he loses then where does he go from there (and why is their top man being knocked off by a retired old bastard)?

[Disco]

You forget wrestling logic, old retired bastards only get better with age. See, well every return ever.

[Lewis]

The Immortal Hulk Hogan maybe. But not all of them.

[Disco]

The Rock murdered all the Wyatts (in more ways than one), Stone Cold and Michaels dicked a load of guys over basically in their slippers at a recent Wrestlemania, Nash came back not long ago donning most of the Rumble in the process and Mad Dog Vachon beat up current (at the time) roster talent with his own wooden leg at his Hall of Fame announcement.

Age equals badassery, it has always been thus.

[Lewis]

Turns out Goldberg is younger than I thought. As you were.

[wullie]

Sting losing to HHH was great, but then they already did that with Goldberg the first time.

[Ian]

Speaking of the Rumble are we in line for any obvious winners yet, assuming Reigns isn't winning it every year until the fans give up and start cheering him?

When is Pap O'Shango back?

[Browning]

I hope the Rumble winner has the chance to switch brands.

[Yeldoow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZlyGNGR620

[Disco]

In the recent tradition of totally predictable Rumble winners it has to be Balor. In my dream fantasy world it's a completely un-billed Shinsuke in at number 30.

[Browning]

It's going to be one of the Shield lot.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Browning]

I still wish Santino won it a few years ago, I'm not even joking when I said it would have been the greatest Rumble period for that fact alone and in the long run it would have helped the WWE in building it up as unpredictable.

Couldn't agree more.

They really do need to have a jobber win it one time. It's one of those matches where, if this was all real, as they are supposed to pretend it is, someone shit would have won it by now. I guess Vince won one, but that was too long ago. It doesn't take any skill to throw someone out the ring, so the top guys always winning even if they enter number 1 is a bit stupid.

Said jobber doesn't need to make it to Wrestlemania, but still.

[wullie]

James Ellworth, come on down.

[Browning]

Wouldn't be a bad shout, although the inevitability of Ambrose screwing him over and stealing the shot, and another member of The Shield main eventing WM would be annoying.

Still, I'd take it.

[wullie]

He's got his own t-shirt already despite not actually being contracted which is a bit mad.

[Disco]

Elsworth is more over than most of the roster.

[wullie]

He's probably better off quitting now and milking it on the indies before he outstays his welcome like Colin Delaney and Zach Gowen.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Ian]

Even somebody who is legitimately a massive strong bastard winning it would be a surprise, which it shouldn't be. Every time a Kane or Big Show enters the commentators shit their pants and then of course they don't win.

I'm enjoying '11 vintage Mark Henry on the Network just now. Have him win it and reopen the Hall. :drool:

[Disco]

Didn't Big Show get booed to death last time he came out and cleaned house at the Rumble? The other problem with someone big winning it (as much as I loved Kane at various points he needs to stop) is that you immediately assume their WM match is going to be crap, which it would be. To steal a someone else's catchphrase, new era same old shit, it's not 2005 any more.

[Ian]

Of course, but if we're talking about a surprise winner (who will lose the shot anyway or at least not main event) I'd rather have a competent big guy win it than No Chin Music.

#MagicOfTheRumble #SpecialAlabamaDomeNights

[Disco]

I'd rather have a big name from NXT (Jeff or Nakamura this time, maybe a bit early for Bobby Roooooooooooooooooooooooooo) as a surprise entrant, or at least a big guy who can work a bit. Not sure who that would be these days, Straw Boatman can fuck off for a start.

[Ian]

Tonga Jeff needs calling up to Smackdown, pronto.

[Lewis]

I'm not sure what you can wring out of that Japanese lad when he can't speak properly.

[Browning]

Obviously Hogan is still the best choice to win the rumble.

[Disco]

I'm not sure what you can wring out of that Japanese lad when he can't speak properly.

Look at it this way, he's unlikely to call anyone sparkle-crotch.

[Ian]

Quite enjoyed the wimmins match and glad it got to actually be main event. Before I realised on the Network the crap post-chat thing was going to be counted part of the PPV and therefore the running time I wondered what was going to fill up the show after their match.

Liked Owens/Rollins as well. They've made Rollins look invincible but they're making similar mistakes with Owens as they did with Rollins because they only know how to book one type of heel nowadays.

[Browning]

I liked the women's match to a point, but couldn't help but notice how sloppy it was throughout. It wasn't close to being their best match unfortunately. The start and finish were both wank, and that killed a lot of it for me.

Owens Vs Rollins was also alright, but again nothing ground breaking. That was probably an improvement on their other matches though, which is something.

All in all though thought it was another sub-par effort from the RAW brand. Smackdown really does shit all over them.

[Browning]

How sloppy did Goldberg look in that opening segment? It's going to be even shitter than I thought. :drool:

[Shindig]

So ... did Becky Lynch have an abortion or something?

[Browning]

If she did I fully expect WWE to use it for a heel turn, probably for a feud with Nikki "John doesn't want kids" Bella.

[SvN]

How sloppy did Goldberg look in that opening segment? It's going to be even shitter than I thought. :drool:

He looked like he nearly fell over when he threw the first punch.

[Spammer]

Can anyone recommend any decent wrestling documentaries?

I've watched 'The Rise and Fall of ECW' and one about Stone Cold Steve Austin on a plane this last fortnight, and any others would be cool.

[Browning]

I'm sure this was asked not long ago.

"Beyond the mat" is probably the go to one. The "Monday Night Wars" series on the network is good too, though gets a bit repetitive towards the end. I enjoyed the Paul Heyman one they have on there too, but I've not really watched many.

[Ian]

Whichever commentator it was who said Rusev was trying to take Goldberg down at the knee when he in fact stumbled donned it. What a load of shit that is going to be.


Can anyone recommend any decent wrestling documentaries?

I've watched 'The Rise and Fall of ECW' and one about Stone Cold Steve Austin on a plane this last fortnight, and any others would be cool.

The ones for Paul Heyman, Foley and CM Punk are all really good. Big Show's pretty decent as well and it's just under an hour. Not documentaries but if what you're after is wrestling people talking about wrestling then there's good stuff on the Stone Cold Podcast and Table for Three as well.

[Shindig]

Wrestling With Shadows is good.

[SvN]

I love Wrestling with Shadows. I've watched it loads of times.

[Shindig]

The only thing that's missing is a quiet dinner scene being ruined by the sounds of Stu choking people in the dungeon. When Vince leaves his office. :D

[Ian]

Raw tonight. Top three things I'm hoping for:
- 40 minute Authority promo
- Thirteen terrible, overly telegraphed suicide dives per match
- Return of D'Lo

[Disco]

This time if year is crap, they really do phone it in until the Rumble rolls around.

[Browning]

I'm hoping for:
- Rusev getting owned by a pensioner.
- Roman Reigns going over someone more talented than he is.
- A random 6 man tag made up of midgets no one cares about.

I think I'm going to be happy.

And I realise that all happened last week, but it was so shit it's worth doing twice.

[Lewis]

I think we're all just on countdown for Hogan's WrestleMania return now.

[SvN]

http://www.tmz.com/2016/11/06/brooke-hogan-hulk-wrestlemania-return/

[Browning]

:drool:

That's one pensioner who could beat up Rusev all day every day and I wouldn't get bored of it.

[Disco]

There speaks a man who didn't watch Hogan vs Sting in TNA.

[Browning]

Of course I did. Who wouldn't watch Hogan.

[Gray Fox]

Anyone from Gawker.

[Disco]

Anyone who wanted to see a decent match or hear someone talk coherently. He's been fucking awful since about 1995, he should be limited to hobbling down the ramp once or twice preferably accompanied by someone who can cover for all his mistakes (like remembering where he is or how to count to 10). He needs to disappear gracefully like he should have done 20 years ago.

[SvN]

Why the fuck did Hogan wrestle in jeans during TNA. Surely that's not going to do him any favours.

Also, lol at Sting wrestling in a t-shirt.

[Gray Fox]

Anyone from Gawker.

Looked up further on this. I remember him winning the court case and then they instantly declared bankruptcy.

He was awarded $140m from it, but they've only just settled on about $30m. A bit of a jump but still, Hulkamania ran wild.

[Lewis]

Anyone who wanted to see a decent match or hear someone talk coherently. He's been fucking awful since about 1995, he should be limited to hobbling down the ramp once or twice preferably accompanied by someone who can cover for all his mistakes (like remembering where he is or how to count to 10). He needs to disappear gracefully like he should have done 20 years ago.

Grow up, mate. It's not real.

[Browning]

Looked up further on this. I remember him winning the court case and then they instantly declared bankruptcy.

He was awarded $140m from it, but they've only just settled on about $30m. A bit of a jump but still, Hulkamania ran wild.

Think it was $36m but they had to remove all traces of the story, which they really didn't want to do. Still, he dominated them the same way he'll dominate whoever gets in his way at Wrestlemania.

[7om]

Can he actually perform a leg drop, though? If he's just going to point the finger and deliver a 'big boot' to the knee cap then forget it.

[Browning]

Even that would be better than Reigns. Or another Rock return.

[7om]

I remember on the old board every Monday night you'd get an extra 4-5 pages added onto the thread with the running commentaries of shows. I couldn't even imagine sitting there and watching a three hour Raw now and going through all the old stuff just really brings it to light how bad the product is these days.

[Browning]

Indeed. This thread wasn't even bumped for HIAC until the Tuesday I think. Interest in it is at an all time low.

It doesn't help that RAW is shit and Smackdown is still Smackdown.

[wullie]

20 years ago Hogan had just broken out the beard dye, he was never better.

[Browning]

This sounds better than any RAW in the last 5 years:

We reported at various points this morning that a fight broke out between Chris Jericho and Sin Cara while backstage over the weekend at a Live Event in England. We noted earlier that one first-hand account says Sin Cara struck first and Jericho answered the attack by biting the cruiserweight until the two were separated.

According to Dave Meltzer the incident happened while the RAW crew was traveling from Leeds, England to Glasgow, Scotland for tonight's RAW. Cara was reportedly kicked off the bus the crew was traveling on.

Meltzer noted that Cara was making annoying noises while on the tour bus and while people were telling him to stop, he kept making the noises. This led to Jericho "more forcefully" telling Cara to stop. Cara reportedly told Jericho to "fuck off" and words were exchanged. Cara threw a wilds right hand at Jericho before others jumped in to break it up. Jericho then bit Cara's finger during the pull-apart. Cara was then kicked off the bus.

One account noted that Cara snapped in about two seconds without any warning or reason.

[wullie]

http://img05.deviantart.net/4382/i/2013/326/8/b/hunico_and_camacho_studio_shot_by_mr_igfx-d6v7uzz.jpg

Get the mask off him now.

[igor_balis]

what's smackdown like? i've read a lot of people raving about it on the f4w board but i assumed partly just compared to the utter wank WWE has been putting out for years.

i basically want the product to be exactly like Heyman-booked mid-2000s Smackdown; wins and losses matter and an intense, slightly dark tone but presented like a real sport.

[Disco]

It's better than Raw but neither are as good as NXT these days.

[Disco]

20 years ago Hogan had just broken out the beard dye, he was never better.

His in ring stuff was awful (even by WCW standards) by the time the NWO started.

[igor_balis]

One day I'll binge on the NXT stuff, I'm partly a bit scared that i'll get really into it and it'll take over my life.

Oh, I'm going ROH in Leicester next week I think, which'll be fun. Probably.

[Disco]

What's the card like, any Bucks of Youth?

[Browning]

What's the card like, any Bucks of Youth?

YOUNG BUCKS (MATT & NICK JACKSON) VS. MARTY SCURLL & WILL OSPREAY
CHRIS SABIN VS. ADAM COLE
ALEX SHELLEY VS. JAY LETHAL
reDRagon (BOBBY FISH & KYLE O'REILLY) VS. JAY & MARK BRISCOE
JOE HENDRY VS. ACH
THE ADDICTION (CHRISTOPHER DANIELS & FRANKIE KAZARIAN) VS. DALTON CASTLE & DELIRIOUS
LIO RUSH VS. DONOVAN DIJAK

[7om]

It's better than Raw but neither are as good as NXT these days.

I was the first to defend NXT back in the day but it's been steaming shit for about 18 months now.

[Disco]

I was the first to defend NXT back in the day but it's been steaming shit for about 18 months now.

Comparatively though....

[Disco]

YOUNG BUCKS (MATT & NICK JACKSON) VS. MARTY SCURLL & WILL OSPREAY
CHRIS SABIN VS. ADAM COLE
ALEX SHELLEY VS. JAY LETHAL
reDRagon (BOBBY FISH & KYLE O'REILLY) VS. JAY & MARK BRISCOE
JOE HENDRY VS. ACH
THE ADDICTION (CHRISTOPHER DANIELS & FRANKIE KAZARIAN) VS. DALTON CASTLE & DELIRIOUS
LIO RUSH VS. DONOVAN DIJAK

That should be good.

[Disco]

Grow up, mate. It's not real.

Fuck off and feed your shit dog a bit more mate.

[Lewis]

He's asleep.

[Browning]

RAW sounds like same old, same old, but the Bayley chant in the video going around was awesome. Charlotte handled it so badly.

[Ian]

Feels very much part of a production more than a show designed for a live audience but I'm glad I went. Probably a crap show though.

You're right about Charlotte and the Bayley chants.

Also in the post show dark match Rollins busted out Hogan's no sell, Hulk up, punches, boot, leg drop routine which I enjoyed.

[Ian]

I'll be interested to see if the audience is as disjointed/shit as it seemed there. People seemed to struggle to get back into things what with the massive gaps where you're sat in the dark and expected to be entertained by your fifth Total Bellas advert of the night. Seemed pretty dead during some of the bits.

[Shindig]

At the Newcastle house show there was an awful lot of bairns in Cena gear. I bet they were gutted.

[Browning]

I'll be interested to see if the audience is as disjointed/shit as it seemed there. People seemed to struggle to get back into things what with the massive gaps where you're sat in the dark and expected to be entertained by your fifth Total Bellas advert of the night. Seemed pretty dead during some of the bits.

That's inexcusable for a recorded show to be fair. If it was going out live then they don't really have time to do anything during an ad break (assuming it's not mid-match) but recorded they should be doing something, or skipping them. The first show I ever went to (the first Smackdown ever taped in the UK) has a surprise appearance by THE UNDERTAKER half way through that wasn't on TV as he had been written out at the time. He wrestled Heidenreich and it was awesome.

I had a friend who was in Australia at the time and when I told him about it he got so confused and thought WWE had different storylines in different countries as Undertaker had been written out "there" and he seemingly didn't understand the concept of a Dark Match. I had a lot of fun with that, making up random shit that was going on here until he worked it out.

That era of Smackdown was so good though. Thinking back to that show just makes me sad about what a state the product is now.

[Ian]

Watching this back it's even better with the commentary seeing how desperate they are to explain the concept of a Survivor Series. Mind-boggling. We've seen one before, lads.

[Browning]

The bit I don't get is Zayn Vs Ziggler. That's just mental particularly if you're not going to have Reigns Vs someone from Smackdown.

[Ian]

Makes it look like they know what they're doing with Zayn, I guess.

[SvN]

I assume it's a way to get Zayn over to Smackdown

[Browning]

Well that would just make a mockery of the brand split. The only way to do it is have Ziggler win, but surely they could have got a jobber from Smackdown. A Zayn win ends up with the IC Title moving to RAW, unless they do another BS "HIS CONTACT EXPIRED AT MIDNIGHT AND NOW HE'S HERE!" like they did with Swagger.

[SvN]

Presumably the argument would be that the title belongs on Smackdown, so if he wants it, he has to move. It would be shit, but Zayn should be on Smackdown anyway, they're really struggling for top babyfaces.

[Browning]

I wouldn't really buy that seeing as how they had to draft Miz to get the title. They can do it, but yea, it would be stupid.

[wullie]

Has Swagger done anything at all on Smackdown since he showed up with a new catchphrase that meant nothing?

[Browning]

Given he was THE REAL AMERICAN and he lost the night after 9/11 to Jinder Mahal, anything is an improvement.

[wullie]

To think he was the world title challenger at the same Wrestlemania where Fandango beat Chris Jericho. What an event.

[Disco]

Did Thwagger have a couple of matches against Baron Corbin? That sounds like something I wouldn't care about enough to remember properly.

[Ian]

He did, yeah. When you want to get somebody over obviously you bring in Big Jack Swagger.

[Browning]

I still can't believe he lost that match to Jinder Mahal. It would somewhat make sense if they went on to use Jinder for.... anything, but he just lost to everyone after that. Way to big him up before sending him to Smackdown.

This is why it's a shame there's nowhere else for these wrestlers to go when WWE haven't got a fucking clue what to do with them.

[Ian]

Not all of them want to. There'll be guys there same as every other job in the world who are just happy to collect the best money they can.

One of the guys I went to Raw with yesterday was telling me that NJPW have signed Billy Gunn for some tag tournament thing they're doing. :moop:

It's also the first I'd heard of 205 Live. Is the point of that that they get more screen time for promos and shit without Raw having to pretend they think a smaller guy is a real wrestler?

[Jeet]

Meltzer noted that Cara was making annoying noises while on the tour bus and while people were telling him to stop, he kept making the noises. This led to Jericho "more forcefully" telling Cara to stop. Cara reportedly told Jericho to "fuck off" and words were exchanged. Cara threw a wilds right hand at Jericho before others jumped in to break it up. Jericho then bit Cara's finger during the pull-apart. Cara was then kicked off the bus.

One account noted that Cara snapped in about two seconds without any warning or reason.

So he got........BIT!

[Smiffy]

.....

[Weaver]

One of the Survivor Series teams has changed:

Baron Corbin OUT, Shane O'Mc IN, according to the Smackdown spoilers

[wullie]

When Bryan came out saying THERE'S ONE MORE NAME ON THE LIST I DIDN'T MENTION and with the Undertaker coming back next week, they've served up a right Gobbledygooker there.

[five time]

Lol at Goldberg outdoing Heyman on the mic last night. Him and Bray Wyatt have been repeating the same promo for about three years now.

[Ian]

Goldberg has been better in his two/three promos this time than any of his first WWE run, really. And I'm not sure what Heyman's scared-of-Goldberg shit is about. He's better when he's being snidey.

[Disco]

Heyman does good scuttling though, got to have at least a little bit of that.

[Shindig]

lol at goldberg outdoing heyman on the mic last night. Him and bray wyatt have been repeating the same promo for about three years now.

"My client ... Beret ... Whhy at!"

[SvN]

So does that mean that 'Taker is back for a proper run, or what?

[wullie]

I thought he was at least going to be team mascot, but then Ellsworth has that spot locked up.

[Browning]

I doubt he's back properly, but he'll maybe do a handful of matches.

Poor Ziggles. :(

[Smiffy]

​Survivor Series tonight. It's gone old school?

5-on-5 Traditional Elimination Match
Team RAW (WWE United States Champion Roman Reigns, WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens, Chris Jericho, Braun Strowman, Seth Rollins) vs. Team SmackDown (Randy Orton, Shane McMahon, Bray Wyatt, Dean Ambrose, WWE World Champion AJ Styles)

5-on-5 Traditional Elimination Match
Team RAW (RAW Women's Champion Charlotte, Bayley, Nia Jax, Alicia Fox, Sasha Banks) vs. Team SmackDown with Coach Natalya (Nikki Bella, Naomi, SmackDown Women's Champion Becky Lynch, Carmella, Alexa Bliss)

5-on-5 Traditional Elimination Tag Team Match
Team RAW (RAW Tag Team Champions The New Day, Sheamus & Cesaro, Enzo Amore & Big Cass, Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson, Primo & Epico) vs. Team SmackDown (SmackDown Tag Team Champions Heath Slater & Rhyno, Zack Ryder & Mojo Rawley, Chad Gable & Jason Jordan, Jimmy Uso & Jey Uso, Tyler Breeze & Fandango)

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Sami Zayn vs. The Miz

WWE Cruiserweight Title Match
Kalisto vs. The Brian Kendrick
If Kalisto wins, the division comes to SmackDown.

Brock Lesnar vs. Bill Goldberg

[igor_balis]

ROH was :drool:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNArQZtDdXM/?hl=en

you can actually see me losing my shit in the background :D

[7om]

That Survivor Series card looks fucking shit.

[Ian]

My optimism will no doubt be punished but I actually quite like the look of the card for tonight, if only because the TRADITIONAL SURVIVOR SERIES MATCHES (thank goodness they've explained the rules for these a hundred times in the past month) should have enough time to not see 70% of the entrants eliminated like chumps as they usually are and that they're making up the bulk of the show.

An article on WhatCulture quoted Goldberg as saying his body feels "horrible" so he should be in a good place to take forty-eight German suplexes. That match should comfortably be the worst of the night.

[Browning]

It was almost certainly be shit, but given I have a week off work I'm tempted to stay up.

[Smiffy]

I'm going to have it on in the background if I can find a decent stream for it. Watching Goldberg get fucked up is worth choosing this over a film.

[SvN]

I'm definitely staying up. I feel quite excited, but at the same time, know I'll be disappointed. It's always the same, really.

[Browning]

Booker T is such an annoying prick on these pre-shows. He just says random lines that don't fit with anything and then laughs at them. "Time stands still for no man.... or woman.... HAHAHAHAHAHA".

[Smiffy]

Team Raw for the mens, Team Smackdown for the women, I haven't a clue on the tag team one but I imagine the New Day will be directly involved in the finish as they're coming close to a record. I don't know why Zayn is against The Miz as I thought Dolph Ziggler was the champion whilst Kalisto is blatantly winning the cruiserweight given Raw have fucked it up already.

SvN will be right, of course.

[Pleb]

I'm amazed the cruiserweight division isn't inter-branded. Would of made a lot of sense if that happened.

I might watch this on catchup if they don't fucking edit Goldberg getting F5ed by the beast or something similar.

[Browning]

Does anyone have any idea which woman from Game of Thrones Becky was referring to? That's really confused me.

[Ian]

If that 205 Live thing is going after Smackdown then it makes sense for the cruiserweights to be on Smackdown in that sense. Not so much in that Raw, in theory, could be making better use of the extra hour.

[Jeet]

Guys!!! Arb bets!!

Sky bet has Lesnar as 6.00 and Paddy has Goldberg down as 3.40

Also Raw to win is 8.00 on Sky and Smack down at 7/4

My account is suspended on Sky... Crying here

[SvN]

Suspended on Paddypower. Presumably they've realised their cockup.

Otherwise, can we please spoiler betting odds, as it often ruins stuff.

[Smiffy]

You do Paddy I'll do Sky?

[Browning]

There's not a chance Goldberg is winning tonight.

[SvN]

Pile on Lesnar then. He's massive odds according to Jeet.

[Browning]

I would if I had any betting accounts. That and I had any faith in WWE. By "not a chance" I of course mean "There's no way in hell he should win, but WWE can't book for shit, so he probably will".

[Pleb]

Isn't Goldberg allegedly injured? :sherlock:

[Smiffy]

He'll win by disqualification or something equally as shady. I suppose that's the problem when you've built Brock Lesnar to be a wrecking machine. I imagine Goldberg will be feeling sore in the morning.

[Browning]

Lesnar will win clean with the F5. Anything else would be a farce.

[Pleb]

I'm calling no contest.

[Browning]

Goldberg doesn't have another match in him, it won't be a no contest/draw/DQ/any bullshit.

[SvN]

Funny that Goldberg looks in better shape than Lesnar, who's looking a tad chubby.

[Pleb]

Do we know what the first match is?

[Browning]

Probably the clusterfuck tag match.

[Smiffy]

Funny that Goldberg looks in better shape than Lesnar, who's looking a tad chubby.

I know who I'd rather be facing and it isn't the chub.

[SvN]

I know who I'd rather be facing and it isn't the chub.

Of course, Lesnar is huge and much bigger. But he's definitely lost some of his definition since the UFC fight.

[Pleb]

Four man booth?

Jesus.

[SvN]

I like Sasha, but she has no character these days. She's a crap face.

[Smiffy]

Probably the clusterfuck tag match.

Team RAW (RAW Tag Team Champions The New Day, Sheamus & Cesaro, Enzo Amore & Big Cass, Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson, Primo & Epico) vs. Team SmackDown (SmackDown Tag Team Champions Heath Slater & Rhyno, Zack Ryder & Mojo Rawley, Chad Gable & Jason Jordan, Jimmy Uso & Jey Uso, Tyler Breeze & Fandango)

I haven't watched it a great deal recently but looking at it, it's a right mess.

New Day need to split, Sheamus needs to be released, Cesaro is never going to make it, Enzo is just a mouthpiece whilst Cass has no personality. Gallows and Anderson haven't really done anything whilst Primo and Epico are jokes.

Then we move onto actual jokes. I'd wager it's only the Uso's for Team SmackDown. I don't get the Mojo fella.

Joy. Women's elimination match first.

[Pleb]

No Cole might make this show a little bit bearable.

Bayley to turn into full Cenahhh mode.

What the fuck is this entrance? :D

[SvN]

Carmella just gets no reaction at all. I can't see her lasting much longer.

That Adebayor knee slide from Naomi was amazing though.

[Browning]

So this is because we're in Canada right. Still pointless shit.

[Smiffy]

Oh God. I'm a little bit behind you both but fuck me she's useless.

[SvN]

So this is because we're in Canada right. Still pointless shit.

Well it must be, but why swap her for your biggest (female) draw? Surely they'd just take out Carmella if they just wanted to wedge Nattie in.

[Pleb]

Charlotte is getting dangerously close to shameful lustage levels.

[SvN]

Rikishi dominating in this match

[Pleb]

Well that was strangely entertaining.

[Browning]

Fell a bit flat, but I'm not usually a fan of multi-people matches (anything more than a Triple Threat anyway).

Bayley though. :drool:

[7om]

Cant wait to see how much of a clusterfuck the 10 v 10 match will be.

[Baz]

I've slept most of the day so stuck a stream on. When's Brock on?

EDIT:

https://i.imgur.com/irUWa5M.png
Who the hell is that? :lol:

[SvN]

I've slept most of the day so stuck a stream on. When's Brock on?

Last probably.

[Pleb]

No Cole might make this show a little bit bearable.
:moop:

[Pleb]

Maryse :serious: :drool:

[Browning]

It's Mick Foley.

[Browning]

There's Zayn's weekly fake injury.

[Smiffy]

I don't get what he brings other than consistency in his matches. He's just too bland.

[SvN]

That's actually hilarious.

[Browning]

I genuinely thought that was going to be Montreal 2784.

[Browning]

Those action figures. :D

Why have WWE never had a "Jump head first into a cage and hope it falls down" match?

[Pleb]

This is going to be a massive dumpfest.

[SvN]

What a shit start

[Pleb]

Well that escalated quickly :D

[Dark Soldier]

Anyone got an acestream or a non-shite stream for this? Ta muchly.

[Smiffy]

It's a shit s (http://wrestlingpro.info/file/livkiseiuiiosa9.php?File=7hio4v9ey6t.html)tream

[Dark Soldier]

Leads to a 404. I'll stick with pixel heaven :D

[SvN]

That 619 from Cesaro was totally embarrassing. It was like Andre the Giant trying to do it.

[7om]

Brian Kendrick vs Kallisto.

Why would anyone give the slightest shit about this? Talk about filler.

[Browning]

Well that was shit.

[Smiffy]

I don't even. At least the next two should be handy.

[Dark Soldier]

wait what AJ Styles is WWE champion?

Why do people watch this

[Smiffy]

This Elsworth gimp comes out and you're on about Styles? :D Sort yourself out, DS.

[Dark Soldier]

I'm barely watching, just hearing shit. Its painful.

[Dark Soldier]

Just googled him, is Elsworth an alien

[SvN]

Great pop for Jericho

[7om]

in before Reigns overcomes the odds and spears the whole Smackdown team.

[SvN]

It's a shame, but its 100% inevitable that Jericho will be the first man eliminated.

[7om]

These matches mean fuck all don't they? There's no consequence of Raw or Smackdown losing, I take it?

Again, what reason is there to care?

[SvN]

There was some vague threat about the Raw team's jobs being on the line.

Sometimes it's just a match to enjoy.

[Smiffy]

I can't believe I'm typing this but I don't think traditional survivor series works. :-\

[SvN]

That elimination of Braun was perfect.

[Dark Soldier]

Wow he threw him through a single table from ten feet holy shit

[Smiffy]

Jericho and Owens are fantastic. :D

[7om]

WWE is dead, man. This ain't wrestling, it's just a bunch of dweebs doing fake moves for the geeks who are desperate to chant 'this is awesome' at the first chance. The entertainment factor is gone.

[SvN]

Yet you'll be watching TLC in a few weeks.

[Dark Soldier]

WWE is dead, man. This ain't wrestling, it's just a bunch of dweebs doing fake moves for the geeks who are desperate to chant 'this is awesome' at the first chance. The entertainment factor is gone.

Having not watched since WM, yes, this. Its fucking terrible.

[Smiffy]

I've lost interest in this match, it's just a spot fest.

[Dark Soldier]

Tbf that spear was class.

[Browning]

That Shane elimination was almost perfect. Then he kicked out but got sent to the back. New era, same old shit.

[7om]

I genuinely thought Shane got killed there. Such a stupid fucking spot for a part-time 50 year old to perform.

[Browning]

Yea, I thought he might be hurt. But even if he was, why not just count the 3.

[7om]

This match has been going on for one hour now. Fucking hell.

[Smiffy]

Make the most of it as another 50 year old part timer is up next.

[SvN]

If Reigns wins I'm off to bed

[Browning]

Nailed on Taker costs Reigns and then jobs to him at Mania.

[Smiffy]

Well that was a bit of a shit finish considering.

[Smiffy]

Wait what? Is Orton a family member now?

[SvN]

Smackdown winning the proper 5v5 explains Raw pissing on them for the rest of the evening.

[7om]

Whats the story with Orton? Is he in he Wyatt Family these days?

[Dark Soldier]

What is WWE's obsession with 40+ men. Is it a big homosexual muscular love in where they wank each other off in the showers or summat?

[7om]

This is going to be fucking awful.

[Dark Soldier]

I hope Undertaker joins in halfway through.

[Smiffy]

What is WWE's obsession with 40+ men. Is it a big homosexual muscular love in where they wank each other off in the showers or summat?

The younger lot just don't have the same appeal as those who we grew up watching but that's an invite to talk about 'the' era.

[Smiffy]

I hope Undertaker joins in halfway through.

Let it be Austin like the first time. :cool:

[Smiffy]

Whats the story with Orton? Is he in he Wyatt Family these days?

Christ knows. The other one that came back tonight I thought had left.

[Smiffy]

Fair play to Goldberg btw. He looks in good condition.

[SvN]

I was semi-worried Goldberg would come out in jeans or something. Good to see him in his proper gear.

[Dark Soldier]

Can't wait for Kurt Angle and his neck of glass fighting at the next WM. Surely there's not many left to wheel out.

Pay Jon Jones big dollar and have him be Papa Shango/Junkyard Dog or something.

[SvN]

What the FUCK?!

[Dark Soldier]

The fuck?

[Browning]

Fucking hell.

[SvN]

That's shocked me as much as the streak being broken. What the fuck?!

[Smiffy]

What the fuck?

[Dark Soldier]

So Goldberg, a guy who hasn't wrestled in years, beats a former MMA heavyweight champion in 3 minutes? I get the angle, but its fucking gibberish.

[SvN]

So presumably something else is happening now.

[7om]

Oh my fucking god. They may as well have done the finger poke of doom.

[Dark Soldier]

Guessing Brock got a good bonus for this or summat.

[SvN]

If anything, perhaps this puts an end to Lesnar's shit suplex city style. Maybe he'll admit he got complacent or something. I just can't think of any explanation for what just happened.

[Smiffy]

I've had wanks last longer than that match. WTF? I don't get it.

[SvN]

Oh wait, that's the end.

[Dark Soldier]

I literally stayed up and tuned in for that. Fuck this bag of old rotten jizz.

[7om]

What an absolute load of complete garbage :lol:

This company is in the fucking toilet.

[Smiffy]

Well....FM anyone? :D

[Browning]

What happened to his son's shirt?

[Browning]

What is this Flair shit. :D

[Dark Soldier]

All I can guess is Goldberg couldn't go a full match and they chucked mad cash at Lesnar. Otherwise, what is point.

[Smiffy]

What is this Flair shit. :D

I was hoping at least one person had that on! :D Fantastic play on words during the robe bit.

[SvN]

In fairness, that's the most I've been entertained by a Brock match since his HIAC match with Undertaker.

[Smiffy]

All I can guess is Goldberg couldn't go a full match and they chucked mad cash at Lesnar. Otherwise, what is point.

I don't get it. Lesnar ended the streak, has been a complete wrecking machine beating HHH, Cena, Punk etc in solid fashion then winds up losing to a 50 year old man who hasn't wrestled in over a decade? I'm out of ideas.

[Browning]

Where the fuck was The Undertaker? What a lying piece of shit.

The only way I saw Goldberg winning, and it was a long shot, was with Taker attacking him after and setting up Undertaker/Goldberg for WM. For him not to even be on the show after his Smackdown promo talking about Survivor Series is just shit.

When they announced it, I knew it was a lose/lose, but what they have just done is the worst possible thing they could have done. Goldberg won't show up again, and hasn't in any way made up for his abysmal mania match. Lesnar looks like a twat, and all the people he's destroyed have to now admit they got wrecked by a guy a 50 year old who hasn't wrestled in 12 years could beat inside a minute. Who the fuck booked that shit?

[Dark Soldier]

Is this down to HHH or was that role he was given just part of the 'universe'? I'm so out the loop but Jesus Christ this is like being a white couple and seeing your newborn slip out black.

[7om]

See you at the Royal Rumble, lads. I'd rather throw my tv out the window than put Raw on tomorrow night.

[Shindig]

Okay, the intro lasted as long as the match itself. Heyman losing his shit in the corner was a bit bollocks, though. Look genuinely fucked over. Also, Goldberg was gassed.

[Baz]

Who knew, at a PPV where Goldberg was fighting Brock Lesnar, that the undisputed highlight of the night would be Shane O'Mac getting speared. :D

https://streamable.com/nx38

[Browning]

Goldberg has signed up for the rumble match. 30th entrant and wins with one move. :drool:

[Shindig]

Who knew, at a PPV where Goldberg was fighting Brock Lesnar, that the undisputed highlight of the night would be Shane O'Mac getting speared. :D

https://streamable.com/nx38

Concussed.

[wullie]

All those training videos Goldberg put out were longer than the match he was training for. WCW guys are meant to be buried, so Goldberg vs HHH at Wrestlemania with DX fighting the West Texas Rednecks at ringside is a lock.

[Lewis]

Isn't a match like that normally an indication that the losing party is on their way out?

[SvN]

Where's he going? WWE is his only realistic option now he's banned from UFC.

[Lewis]

Back to his farm.

[wullie]

I wouldn't be surprised if he suggested it. 90 second payday, doesn't have to phone in the German suplexes.

[Disco]

He doesn't care, it's just a payday to him.

[Lewis]

The company care about their biggest draw not looking like shit. It all points to him leaving, because how can you hype a re-match off the back of that?

[Disco]

Yeah, the WWE have never ballsed up the booking of their biggest draws. This is also the easiest thing in the world to book, Brock now has his ultimate challenge, the only man he couldn't overcome blah blah blah, it writes itself. They'll probably go for a lazy re-match at WM with a shit build but that's beside the point.

Anyway, The Undertaker is their biggest draw.

[SvN]

Goldberg has signed on for the Rumble, so that'll be the rematch.

[7om]

I bet Brock loved doing that match. 90 seconds lolling around on the floor for a few million dollars and he doesn't have to do his Suplex City rubbish for 30 minutes while the fans fall asleep.

[Browning]

Goldberg has signed on for the Rumble, so that'll be the rematch.

Supposedly he's confirmed for the 30 man match.

[SvN]

I think this post on reddit is great, and is one of the reasons why I didn't hate last night.


Imagine all those kids who witnessed Brock vs Goldberg

All those kids who cried in shock seeing Cena get brutalized, or who saw this monster finish Undertaker's streak, or murder Orton, or put down Roman, or beat Dean

You know this Brock beast is the untouchable monster, you know deep down that none of your heroes come through for you to slay him. You get into the routine of watching Brock destroy everyone

Imagine seeing this Goldberg guy come out of nowhere, seeing the crowd erupt for him like none other, hearing about this legend who was like a good guy version of Brock.

Some guy who is immediately loveable because he does it for the kids, a guy who, for once, has a unified support from the fans. A guy who isnt booed. A match where the very audience isnt cheering for Brock like barbarians, or wanting to see the bad guy win and the good guy get hurt

This guy comes out of nowhere like a mythical legend, annihilates this Beast who has terrorized all your heroes, and is celebrated by the entire arena. After all hope is lost, after realizing there is no one realistically possible to conquer Brock, they pull this Goldberg guy out of thin air and immediately, he is unlike any other you've ever seen. You hear the stories of Goldberg and you hear how he beat Brock a long time ago, but you dont really know what he wrestles like.

And then you see the entrance. The sparks. The crowd in hypnotic unison. The kicks. The straight entrance to the ring from the back. He doesnt sell shit. He stands tall. He turns to crowd for approval, and the crowd roars for him. He hits his moves, and it's over. Brock is dead. He is scared. The slimebag Heyman, who has taunted you and your heroes is squealing.

It must feel really special to be a kid and see that history being made, and I bet a whole new generation of Goldberg fans were created, if not only for those 3 surreal minutes

[7om]

The last sentence sums up my biggest problem with it: they've probably made a boatload of young Goldberg fans and for what? He may wrestle at the Royal Rumble and maybe Wrestlemania and that's it. There's no point to Goldberg in 2016.

It's WWE presenting their current guys as geeks and inferior to the previous generations. And they are inferior but when WWE portrays it that way they end up just shitting on themselves.