Southgate Out

[Luke Emia]

So he’s gone then.

Who is next? Capello? Hodgson?

[Dark Soldier]

Hearing all local shops have sold out of lube near Yev.

[Magic]

Need someone like Sol Campbell in.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Eriksson until he dies, then Kevin Keegan.

[niko_cee]

Is Mourinho out of work or has he gone to Turkey?

'Arry? Has Big Sam served his sentence yet? Brendan Rodgers? :sick:

[Ben]

Kane next hopefully.

[niko_cee]

Top contenders according to the bookies are Potter, Carsley and Howe?

Southgate IN!

[Browning]

Lampard and Gerrard together.

[niko_cee]

Lampard and Gerrard together.

:D

Yes. No seriously. [/LampardSwitch]

[John Arne]

Surely going to be Potter. With Carsley as his number 2.

[niko_cee]

If the FA can get the Premier League to pull their finger out maybe we can have Pep? Kyle Walker forever! :joy:

[niko_cee]

France will probably sack Deschamps now in favour of Zidane and we'll end up with Didier.

[Lofty]

Bookies have Potter nailed on.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It did feel like Potter might have been turning down other jobs to hold on for this.

[niko_cee]

Sean Dyche is presumably the actually most accomplished coach of this current generation.

[niko_cee]

As for the next England manager, I hope Sarina Wiegman is at least considered for the men's job. She's won major trophies with two countries, is a known quantity to the FA and is calm and pragmatic in her approach. Outside of Klopp, I don't see many better available candidates.

Ian on the livetext

Here we go.

[-james-]

Bookies have Potter nailed on.

He's been as short as 1/2 in the last couple of weeks, out to 6/4ish now. I don't think there's anything to be read into bookie odds at this stage though.

Poch is a big price at 8s. If I were to guess I think their shortlist goes Potter Poch/Howe Carsley.

[Spikey M]

I think they're going to have a tough time recruiting this one. 2 finals and a semi-final is a tough act to follow and it's a poisoned chalice at the best of times.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Don't they have to interview a black candidate under that silly rule? Hasselbaink for the job.

[Spikey M]

If the FA can get the Premier League to pull their finger out maybe we can have Pep? Kyle Walker forever! :joy:

Would he be able to live abroad for enough of the year to remain non-dom? If so, get it done.

[niko_cee]

They should also interview Rooney under the rule of his own name really. Wayne that is, I presume the other one is probably dead.

[Yevrah]

Fair play to Sir Gareth for making the correct decision.

[niko_cee]

Like all the subs, it was a scripted move.

[Yevrah]

It's funny really, as this was by far his worst performance as manager in an international tournament, all glossed over by the reaching of the final. He was very good against the Dutch, but almost everything else was absolutely horrid, culminating in us approaching the final in the way Scotland would have done should they have suddenly found themselves there.

I look forward to us getting no luck in draws for the next manager's entire tenure and constant citing of "well Gareth got us to two finals and a semi-final, told you so".

[Giggles]

How does Potter become the automatic favourite after he fucked up his last job so badly?

[Spikey M]

How does Potter become the automatic favourite after he fucked up his last job so badly?

Because he's English, unemployed and has a name that carries a bit of weight.

[Yevrah]

I know he's not interested/we absolutely cannot get him because reasons, but if we're not at least talking to Klopp (who was also unemployed last I looked) we're not doing the process properly.

Fair enough if we've decided it has to be an Englishman, but other than that they need to at least pick up the phone.

[Lewis]

It's funny really, as this was by far his worst performance as manager in an international tournament, all glossed over by the reaching of the final. He was very good against the Dutch, but almost everything else was absolutely horrid, culminating in us approaching the final in the way Scotland would have done should they have suddenly found themselves there.

I look forward to us getting no luck in draws for the next manager's entire tenure and constant citing of "well Gareth got us to two finals and a semi-final, told you so".

I think the last World Cup was his best tournament. We coasted the group with plenty of goals, battered Senegal (yes they are crap, but so are Slovakia), and then at least looked like we could have beaten France.

On a related note, does Harry Kane have a worse tournament record than Wayne Rooney? I think he does.

[Pepe]

Top goalscorer mate. What more do you want?

[Yevrah]

On a related note, does Harry Kane have a worse tournament record than Wayne Rooney? I think he does.

I doubt it. Post Euro 2004 Rooney's tournament record was appalling. Fit or not, Kane is a flat track bully though.

[Spikey M]

I know he's not interested/we absolutely cannot get him because reasons, but if we're not at least talking to Klopp (who was also unemployed last I looked) we're not doing the process properly.

Fair enough if we've decided it has to be an Englishman, but other than that they need to at least pick up the phone.

Absolutely no chance he'd take it. What would there be to gain? He either wins the World Cup or he's equal to or worse than Gareth Southgate and his career goes the same way as Svens. I don't think any established managers will want it.

[Dark Soldier]

2038 WC, we crash out in the last 16 against Panama, all fans lamenting John Stones as a shit manager, wasting the best generation we ever had. Leeroy Jenkins-Owusu plays for Real don't ya know, 72 league goals that year.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Absolutely no chance he'd take it. What would there be to gain? He either wins the World Cup or he's equal to or worse than Gareth Southgate and his career goes the same way as Svens. I don't think any established managers will want it.

Literally any manager other than the top few in the world would take the England job. Especially now, with such good players.

Bit of a weird fit for Klopp.

[Lewis]

I doubt it. Post Euro 2004 Rooney's tournament record was appalling. Fit or not, Kane is a flat track bully though.

Yeah I'd forgotten he was banned for most of Euro 2012.

[Danny]

2006 Unfit (0 goals)
2008 lol
2010 shit (0 goals)
2012 banned for most of the group stage (1 goal)
2014 shit (1 goal)
2016 shit (1 goal)

Rooney at tournaments was a massive let down after 04.

[niko_cee]

I look forward to us getting no luck in draws for the next manager's entire tenure and constant citing of "well Gareth got us to two finals and a semi-final, told you so".

And in the you just can't win counterfactual Potter comes in and manages to recreate Brazil 1970 meets total footall perfection and, as Sir Keir just put it,


I join with everyone today in saying thank you to both Gareth and his team for all they have achieved and for laying the foundations for future success.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, but he was so good in 2004 that his average is still better than Kanes.

[Spikey M]

And in the you just can't win counterfactual Potter comes in and manages to recreate Brazil 1970 meets total footall perfection and, as Sir Keir just put it,

I think the Football Loving ruling elite act is my least favourite gimmick of them all. David Cameron, Prince William amd Sir Beer Korma can all fuck off with that shit.

[Manc]

The moment Curbishley has been waiting for.

[niko_cee]

Or Steve Bruce, so cruelly overlooked in 2016.

With all the reminiscing and fond memories of Southgate, 2018 was really his peak, he's pretty much had a binman curve, just over 8 years rather than the 18 months or so it takes at club level. The cracks were starting to show in 2021 even if his 'greatest successes' have come since then.

[Spikey M]

If Steve Bruce got it I reckon we could have a televised Yevrah vs Kiko cage fight within a year.

[Lofty]

Weigman shorter odds than Wenger.

[-james-]

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The problem with taking the England job now is you'll have to implement a style that's not terrorball AND get to at least the quarter finals AND be somewhat likeable or the Southgate nostalgia goggles will be out before you can say Slovakia.

If they go out to Argentina (or Chad) in the round of 16 at the world cup, are people really going to be going "well at least we had six shots on target"?

[Dark Soldier]

If they go out to Argentina (or Chad) in the round of 16 at the world cup, are people really going to be going "well at least we had six shots on target"?

Quite a lot stating they'd prefer better football but us cunting it each tournament. Once that happens tunes will change instantly, but bless em. End of the day we have a team of individuals that have never been able to gel regardless of whichever Golden Generation we're creaming over.

[Yevrah]

That just isn't the way these people think though, nobody in all of footballing history has ever turned a job down because they didn't think they were good enough or because they were scared things wouldn't work out.

@ James.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Southgate would have gone out to Argentina as well had he been unfortunate enough to draw them. The draw is everything, and like I say, Pot 2 in World Cup qualifying will not be a good start for the new boss.

[-james-]

That just isn't the way these people think though, nobody in all of footballing history has ever turned a job down because they didn't think they were good enough or because they were scared things wouldn't work out.

@ James.

I generally agree (as a player you're never going to turn down Man City), but I think managing an international side is a bit different because of the constraints and pressures imposed. There's a reason it's often managers who are either fairly unheralded or over 65.

[niko_cee]

Someone like Potter isn't big enough to turn it down, and if he thinks he is then fucking lol god help us all. Also, the millions of pounds.

Klopp, fair enough, can't see him going near it.

I'm struggling with the idea that Eddie Howe has done an excellent job at Newcastle, but then maybe I just don't pay enough attention to them. Also, people need to remember that Brighton became actually quite good once Potter left and they started playing extra attacking players and less sideways passing ball.

[phonics]

Pochettino would be an absolute disaster so I'm quite interested in it.

[wullie]

Give it Carsley. He's done the business at U21 level and is also a fancy foreigner.

[Shindig]

Get your application in, Yevrah.

[-james-]

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Top judge and youth football knower Connor Rowden is pro-Carsley and that's enough for me

[Manc]

Angel Gomes in as the 6.

[niko_cee]

The draw is everything

Unless you Spain it and saunter through the hardest group and then beat the hosts and the favourites and the second favourites in the knock outs.

[Shindig]

It's the international game so we stick with Carsley as a binman or Potter as a man who rummages around bins. Coral has wor Eddie as third favourite. As much as I'd like to see Sean Longstaff in an England shirt, I'll be sick of him after 15 caps.

[Magic]

Why is the best paid international job not attracting decent talent? That's the question I'd be asking. Not a serious country.

[niko_cee]

The best paid club jobs pay more and modern hyper hands on coaching methods don't necessarily lend themselves to the international game?

I've no particular problem with the establishment binman system [worked for Spain and to an extent England], but it needs to come with the caveat that there is a continuity of playing styles through the system, which I don't think has been the case, despite whatever protestations to the contrary would no doubt come. England age groups play in a different style to the first team's deathball.

[Shindig]

Because the last guy we hired got booed out of the building for finishing second. :D

[niko_cee]

He didn't though, did he? He got a fucking west end play eulogising how he made the nation fall in love with the national team again [wtf?] and probably knighthood and the context free epitaph that he has somehow laid the foundations for future success by being able to walk the walk through the past few tournaments.

[Magic]

Because the last guy we hired got booed out of the building for finishing second. :D

He had the best squad by a fucking mile.

[Shindig]

He didn't though, did he? He got a fucking west end play eulogising how he made the nation fall in love with the national team again [wtf?] and probably knighthood and the context free epitaph that he has somehow laid the foundations for future success by being able to walk the walk through the past few tournaments.

Nah, the media turned on him until it became a possibility we might win this time. And best squad is such a nothing sentence. They didn't play like it. They looked like people who had been told it for years. The weight of expectation with the England job is a toxic soup.

[niko_cee]

I also don't buy into the best squad ever line, I don't think it is, and I'm not sure the individuals are even all that much better but maybe time will tell.

[Magic]

They didn't play like it because you had a mouth breathing, middle management, hybrid working, fog on the coast, stub your toe, cat piss, flat battery, soggy cuffs, weed in the grass, dirty dishes, made tea and forgot about it, empty the bin, MPG below 40, stain on the dressing gown cunt in charge.

[Dark Soldier]

effort

[wullie]

Not convinced a squad is that great when it doesn't have a leftback until seven matches into a seven match tournament.

[Pepe]

Who are the supposedly world class players in the squad? Zidane and Kane? Who else? Saka?

[Yevrah]

Sigh. It's not that the squad is better in comparison to the previous 'golden generation' it's that it's better in comparison to the teams it's facing now vs. back then.

For example, Sven got knocked out of a World Cup by a Brazil team that had Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo in it. Had Sir Gareth come up against Brazil he'd have been knocked out by a team with fucking Richarlison in it.

[Yevrah]

Not convinced a squad is that great when it doesn't have a leftback until seven matches into a seven match tournament.

Which was entirely down to our numpty of a manager deciding there wasn't space for a fit one in a 26 man squad. It's absolute madness.

[wullie]

Which was entirely down to our numpty of a manager deciding there wasn't space for a fit one in a 26 man squad. It's absolute madness.

I don't know who but surely there must have been someone with a left foot that could have gone instead of Lewis Dunk who I've only just remembered was in the squad.

[Danny]

Worse than Taylor not taking a right back in 92.

[Lofty]

I don't know who but surely there must have been someone with a left foot that could have gone instead of Lewis Dunk who I've only just remembered was in the squad.

Or Adam Wharton.

[Giggles]

I see they're taking the NFL approach to things now. What's Paul Ince up to these days?

[Danny]

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Might help our xg with this sort of tactical nous.

[ScousePig]

Sigh. It's not that the squad is better in comparison to the previous 'golden generation' it's that it's better in comparison to the teams it's facing now vs. back then.

For example, Sven got knocked out of a World Cup by a Brazil team that had Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo in it. Had Sir Gareth come up against Brazil he'd have been knocked out by a team with fucking Richarlison in it.

Don't forget Kleberson.

[niko_cee]

Germany were wank in 2002 and Southgated their way to the final, iirc.

Brazil did have a stellar front three, but I would guess Argentina were probably a bit wank, France were busy being lolled out of the tournament by Senegal etc.

I don't buy that this group of players is all that much better than the rest of the field, or their historical competitors. Some exceptional talents, some very square pegs.