October football: VARy bad decisions

[Ian]

Thread title's all I've got. So far as I'm aware nothing actually interesting is happening or set to happen at the moment so I guess just keep bitching about VAR in here if you like.

[Ian]

And only one game today as well? Even the fixture list has given up.

[mo]

And only one game today as well? Even the fixture list has given up.

Only one men’s prem game on today. I’m shocked and appalled at the lack of inclusivity in your post and will be calling for both a boycott of your future threads and for the police to arrest you for upsetting me.

[Ian]

Don't worry, they'll be frogmarching me to RAM IT DOWN MY THROAT presumably.

[Baz]

There’s a game on Monday and on Tuesday this week. The latter being Luton vs Burnley which has 0-0 all over it.

[Spikey M]

That's this generation's West Brom vs Stoke.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

West Brom/Stoke seemed to happen about 8 times a year.

This one will only be happening this year. In the top flight at least.

[Lewis]

Resurrecting 'Wordle' was a VARy bad decision. Board AIDS.

[Baz]

Hard to ignore too when it always at the top.

[Don]

Just seen that Wissa decision Gahahahahha. Geezer truly getting fucked for not playacting and another big VAR win.

[Gray Fox]

“Liverpool Football Club acknowledges PGMOL’s admission of their failures last night. It is clear that the correct application of the laws of the game did not occur, resulting in sporting integrity being undermined.

“We fully accept the pressures that match officials work under but these pressures are supposed to be alleviated, not exacerbated, by the existence and implementation of VAR.

“It is therefore unsatisfactory that sufficient time was not afforded to allow the correct decision to be made and that there was no subsequent intervention.

“That such failings have already been categorised as “significant human error” is also unacceptable. Any and all outcomes should be established only by the review and with full transparency.

“This is vital for the reliability of future decision making as it applies to all clubs with learnings being used to make improvements to processes in order to ensure this kind of situation cannot occur again.

“In the meantime, we will explore the range of options available, given the clear need for escalation and resolution.”

I expected as much :p

[Dark Soldier]

Such a mong club.

[Lofty]

'We can't actually do anything about it but here is our moan'

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Surprised they didn't beg for a replay.

[Giggles]

This result is basically the 98th.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Getting fired in a two team league so early, lol.

[niko_cee]

A two team league?

That's a funny statement up above. Love the shade of "failures" plural.

The only interesting thing which isn't be clarified is what the error was. I can only assume that, somehow, the VAR room didn't realise the goal had been disallowed on the pitch and so gave it a cursory check complete as the alternative scenario [pressing the wrong button but just going with it] seems a lot more mental. Oh wait, I see that has been confirmed.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

A two team league?

That's a funny statement up above. Love the shade of "failures" plural.

The only interesting thing which isn't be clarified is what the error was. I can only assume that, somehow, the VAR room didn't realise the goal had been disallowed on the pitch and so gave it a cursory check complete as the alternative scenario [pressing the wrong button but just going with it] seems a lot more mental. Oh wait, I see that has been confirmed.

Fine, one team league.

Although they did win it a couple of years ago.

[Gray Fox]

Random undefeated season to win the league and be nowhere for 10 years before and now after.

[niko_cee]

Also, on the lol sports lawyering front [I assume this has been rejigged in the VAR era] but didn't there used to be some sort of rule where if the game was restarted the wrong way then the result was voided? I'm pretty sure a club tried to argue that once in some context or other [obviously unsuccessfully in my mind].

Here it is:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/replay-for-error-by-referee-opens-can-of-worms-421759.html

[Waffdon]

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Getting fired in a two team league so early, lol.

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:drool:

[Gray Fox]

Liverpool also appealing the Jones red card. :D

[Spikey M]

The league will over turn both of them because they have no spine.

[Baz]

Hopefully Gary Neville’s on the committee.

[niko_cee]

The league will over turn both of them because they have no spine.

Was going to say both of what, forgetting there was another red card.

I didn't see it yesterday, but was the guy that got a second yellow for Forest given it after a VAR check or something? That's what I thought I read somewhere, but that's unpossible, right?

[Ben]

I thought that too. It's fucked to the point they need to bin it off until it's fixed.

[Don]

Boys, stick to on-the-pitch discussion please, like this useless cunt's appraisal of his team's on-the-pitch competency:

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[Baz]

He's been watching 2008 Premier League Years on Sky Sports Gold.

[Don]

On that note, did Egghead watch that viral clip of Amrabat vs Mbappe at WC and think he could play a bald Berber as an EPL fullback? Get the fuck out of the league lad, I need a new face to lol at.

[Lofty]

Are Fulham going to beast Poch's men tonight?

[thommo]

This surely has to be the first time in the Prem era that we've gone into a game with Chelsea as favourites, I'll be genuinely disappointed if we don't get a win tonight.

Although a quick look at the odds says the bookies still favour Chelsea, bit surprised at that.

[Waffdon]

That’s because the Champions of XG are due a win and a bit win at that. Bookies too scared to leave the odds too long.

1-0 Fulham. Willian (58’), Caicedo sent off (36’)

[Boydy]

It's a monday night, it'll be a draw surely.

[Don]

Broja and Palmer starting against the most toothless side in the 18-team league, easy Chelsea win.

[Waffdon]

Broja after an ACL. He’ll probably snap it in half again having barely played at all since December

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Broja :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Waffdon]

Palmer is a ridiculously good footballer.

Enzo back playing deeper/closer to caicedo and Chelsea pissing it. No surprises

[Spikey M]

This surely has to be the first time in the Prem era that we've gone into a game with Chelsea as favourites, I'll be genuinely disappointed if we don't get a win tonight.

Although a quick look at the odds says the bookies still favour Chelsea, bit surprised at that.

Not even Taz could stop the obvious from happening in response to this. :nono:

[Don]

Gammons being made to bow to a muslim because of the sheer strength of his girth/football knowledge. Incredible Monday evening scenes.

[Waffdon]

Watching Gallagher’s technical ability beside Palmer/Fernandez/Caicedo is quite funny

[Jimmy Floyd]

And so at last for Chelsea, a net has rippled: and indeed, it has rippled twice in a trice.

Still can't decide if Peter Drury is horrendous or great.

[Don]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66987861

Thoughts and prayers for those VAR cunts tonight who are sweating it out like Russell Brand if he'd actually have been guilty of anything.

How many of them are there in that room, two? The "should we intervene?..."-"nah" exchange in that minute or so after goal was given will take them down.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Pathetic from Liverpool. What are they going to do, sue them? Rub of the green, my friends.

[Gray Fox]

What are they going to do, sue them?

All of the language used and actions like this have me convinced they're going to at least try it.

Clearly coming from the Americanised ownership too as Klopp was miffed by it but wanted to move on.

[Don]

Jesus, I've just turned on SS for the first time in months and that's my fucking evening ruined. The greasy cunt must be manouvering for a new gig :D

[Waffdon]

Goals for Chelsea on October: 2

Rest of PL teams in October: 2

Who is laughing now?

[niko_cee]

Pathetic from Liverpool. What are they going to do, sue them? Rub of the green, my friends.

They just want it for the lolz.

You have to wonder, at what point, one of the however many people in the room they have said to another, isn't it meant to be 1-0 to Liverpool?

As pointed out on MNC, the idiotic robot code they have to talk to each other in is as much to blame as anything. I'm not really a great fan of the TMO in rugger, but the one thing they have hit upon after however many years is the clear and open dialogue, in language people can understand that you now get, rather than insane shouty mess PGMOL rolled out recently.

[Don]

What recording of some disaster am I thinking of where you heard the people supposedly in charge of preventing it absolutely failing to comic levels? This may reach those pevels.

[niko_cee]

Air France plane crash. [main guy says hang on, why are you pulling back on the stick seconds before everyone dies]

Or the one where Capt Schiettino [?] was getting coated off by the Italian Coastguard.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I got on an easyjet flight with Vinicius earlier in the year, and haven't been able to take him seriously since. If he's spearheading this Fulham outfit in the absence of any goals from Raul Jimenez then they're bang in trouble.

[Waffdon]

Poch is watching this and not bothering to make a change other than for injuries. Christ, he’s annoying.

[Don]

I ain't even watched it but lol at Gallagher MOTM for reasons Waff has elaborated on. Fabulous example of this country's understanding of the game which prevents it from succeeding in the sport.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There is literally nothing wrong with anything Pochettino has done so far. Some encouraging signs of a bit of versatility in the frontline. We're a mid-table squad so you have to be extremely patient.

[Waffdon]

Funny old game. Arguably the worst Chelsea have played all season (aside from points in the 1st half )and pissed it in the end really.

[Waffdon]

Broja having the thickest Slough accent will never not be funny

[thommo]

Absolutely woeful game from us, threw it away in the first half. Our lack of cutting edge once again showing up in the second. Need Iwobi and Vinicius to start from now on.


Broja having the thickest Slough accent will never not be funny

He played for Burnham Juniors didn't he? Always were the best club for youngsters in the area.

[Waffdon]

Having the choice of Vinicius or Jimenez are your striker must be pretty soul destroying

[thommo]

Yeah fucking awful. Vinicius being the best option in the club is mental.

[Don]

The audio is coming baby.

[Baz]

“Don’t put the lines on” presumably. Along with “soz wasn’t watching, has he given it? Must have. Let’s say offside for a laugh.”

[thommo]

The audio isn't exactly going to yield anything other than "Check complete". They've already said he believed the original decision to be a goal, that's the critical mistake.

[John Arne]

I still don't get why the VAR ref, or his assistant, upon seeing that the ref had given Tottenham a free-kick, didn't just call the ref and say "oi, knobhead, that wasn't offside".

[Baz]

The audio isn't exactly going to yield anything other than "Check complete". They've already said he believed the original decision to be a goal, that's the critical mistake.

So was the decision “we agree with the on field decision” rather than them saying he was offside?

[Gray Fox]

I still don't get why the VAR ref, or his assistant, upon seeing that the ref had given Tottenham a free-kick, didn't just call the ref and say "oi, knobhead, that wasn't offside".

It's being reported that there were only 2 seconds between "check complete" and Spurs taking the quick free kick to get the game going again. If you include the delay of images getting to Stockley Park and the VAR room, by the time they even saw the ball being placed down for the free kick it would have been too late.

[Gray Fox]

So was the decision “we agree with the on field decision” rather than them saying he was offside?

Yeah. VAR room thought it was a goal awarded and put up a very quick line and saw Diaz obviously onside, not needed to compare two players or anything. They responded with "check complete" they thought, confirming a goal. Next thing they know is Spurs are passing the ball around the back having taken their free kick and the current rules prevent them from shouting the ref to give a goal.

[niko_cee]

It's being reported that there were only 2 seconds between "check complete" and Spurs taking the quick free kick to get the game going again. If you include the delay of images getting to Stockley Park and the VAR room, by the time they even saw the ball being placed down for the free kick it would have been too late.

I think this is the wider reform that probably needs to come out of this. Of course the game is slowed down as much as possible by VAR anyway, but we really don't need teams hustling up to the line NFL style to stymie accurate decision making or the ability to correct errors [not that this is likely to occur again or has happened before sorry Gary Neville and your "having been worried about offside for a while now" - it's more like that freak goal line one that sent Sheffield United down eventually]. As was pointed out on one of the many comment pieces surrounding this there must have been a point at which the error was realised and the decision was made to 'stick to protocol' [ie can't stop the game] over doing the pragmatic/sane/non-catastrophic alternative.

Unless they sit there in absolute silence, which they are probably mandated to do as the whole operation reeks of The First Galactic Empire [or maybe the MET], someone must have clocked that something had gone pretty badly wrong pretty quickly and hopefully the audio will reflect this in comedy style.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If this happened in cricket (which it very easily could), the third umpire would simply call down to the on-field umpire 'Erm, wrong signal mate' and he'd reverse it. I don't see why that didn't happen here.

[Baz]

Same. This part is diabolical oversight.


the current rules prevent them from shouting the ref to give a goal.

[niko_cee]

It's all part of the [misguided] desire to BE AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE so they'll have all sorts of mental protocols to follow with the idea everyone is treated the same by a quasi-automated checklist based system.

Obviously they omitted to put the first thing on the list as 'what has been given on the field and what am I checking here'?

It's a bit like when you plane is going down, you just have to hope the answer is number 7 rather than number 857 in the what to do when your plane is going down manual that they have to refer to.

The dialogue [and imagery] used in rugby is the way to go, but football fans can't be trusted with that sort of stuff [which is a systemic administrative/establishment problem].

[niko_cee]

Also, I bet they release the audio of the decision [which will be what Thommo said and therefore completely bland/pointless] but won't release anything beyond the check complete.

[Don]

I'm reading the VAR fucks thought the goal was given initially so they didn't need to interfere and said "check complete". Brah, the audio is gonna be some lols because each version sounds like the worst cover-story going.

[Boydy]

The audio isn't exactly going to yield anything other than "Check complete". They've already said he believed the original decision to be a goal, that's the critical mistake.


Yeah. VAR room thought it was a goal awarded and put up a very quick line and saw Diaz obviously onside, not needed to compare two players or anything. They responded with "check complete" they thought, confirming a goal. Next thing they know is Spurs are passing the ball around the back having taken their free kick and the current rules prevent them from shouting the ref to give a goal.

:lol:

What a fucking stupid system.

[Waffdon]

It was funny at first it happening to Liverpool but having Niko and other Liverpool plebs in general still writing paragraphs about Saturday is slightly excruciating.

[niko_cee]

Sorry, I'll try to keep it within the limits of your attention span going forward.

[Ian]

You can't referee in here, this is the VAR room.

[Waffdon]

Thank god. A post without multiple brackets.

[niko_cee]

Parentheses.

[Waffdon]

You use brackets m8

[Kikó]

Check complete.

[Don]

Keep calm, Utd are playing tonight and Antony is back. We'll all be back to lolling in unity soon.

[Kikó]

This message is hidden because Don is on your ignore list.

[thommo]

If that's what you're seeing, most of the time it's more interesting than the actual post.

[Kikó]

Definitely more coherent.

[Don]

Poor geezers all on the ropes, me drowning in a pool of white man's tears, who truly wins out of all this toxicity?

[Gray Fox]

The sporting integrity of this thread has been compromised and UNDERMINED.

[niko_cee]

I see they've given Liverpool the audio but not released it publicly. BOOOO!

[Spikey M]

It's been leaked

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[Spikey M]

Southend takeover confirmed :drool:

Not The Rock :(

[Ian]

All that time putting Ron's hair on him in Paint WASTED.

[Gray Fox]

https://www.premierleague.com/news/3718057

Audio as has been described previously really. Other than the obvious fuck up, the thing that sticks out is they seem to be trying to rush to get the decision done as fast as possible.

It circles back to an issue we have here with soccer fans not wanting the game slowed down 'like the NFL does.' The point of VAR is to get the decisions correct. This emphasis on speed of decision is idiotic. Take all the time it needs to actually do it properly, or just don't have VAR.

[Danny]

Yeah that feels like it comes from being incredibly rushed.

Confirming the on field call while waiting for replays/lines would fix that though.

[Adramelch]

Or going with "it is/isn't offside".

[phonics]

"Well done boys, good process" immediately followed by the wrong thing happening is so perfect.

[Don]

Weeping. The fucking 20 year old intern on the technicals as replay operator is the only one with a clue. And to make it sweeter, he sounds muslim. Fucking 'av it.

[Luke Emia]

The answer here could have been once they’d fucked it. Stop the game get the ref to say we fucked it, should have been a goal our mistake Spurs will you give Liverpool a goal. We will add the difference on at the end of the game. If they say no fair enough but at least you’ve given the opportunity for the right thing to happen within the game and if you show them the evidence which you have to hand I can’t imagine you would get a huge amount of pushback.

Rather than just saying there’s nothing we can do. They obviously told the fourth official they fucked it so when did the ref find out?

[niko_cee]

That audio is hilarious.

'Oli', what a hero.

The fact that the entire fuck-up discussion happens when the ball is out of play for a throw in but the check complete mongo and his assistant are so busy figuring out what they're going to do with their lives now that they just entirely bottle it.

The pace of it all is like the ones they rolled out earlier in the season where they're all just shouting over each other and it's a balls out machismo thing about being right the fastest or spotting something that hasn't been seen. And yet they go to painful lengths to rule goals out ninety nine times out of a hundred.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We're fucking back bitches.

Hojlund > Haaland.

[niko_cee]

That Galatasaray line-up is a right motley crew.

Shame they never added Thiago to it, as was so often rumoured.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That defending from Dalot is sickening.

[Waffdon]

Dalot getting shoved around like a little kid :D

[Waffdon]

That Lens goal was absolutely lovely

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jude is a bit good.

[randomlegend]

Jude is a bit good.

Another international career for Southgate to waste.

[niko_cee]

What do you mean? He makes a more than passable left winger.

[Gray Fox]

Can't really see a place for him with Kalvin Phillips in such good form.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Hojlund :cool:

What a player.

[Raoul Duke]

Gala's Gerrard with the slip there

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I thought Arsenal were back phonics?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fuck me, we're so shit.

[Waffdon]

Onana :lol: :lol:

Bring back De Gea

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Icardi :lol:

He shouldn't be anywhere near penalties after this week.

[Waffdon]

Icardi somehow comes out looking worse

[Don]

No one could have seen this. None of it. Not even Reddit.

:harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What a hit that was from Valverde.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We're absolutely rancid.

Ten Hag Out.

[Waffdon]

Onana literally gets smaller in goal. He hasn’t half looked terrible in all aspects for Man Utd

[Don]

My man has an art to jumping and yet making himself shorter.

Antony coming in, we got 10 mins of sublime entertainment still.

[Waffdon]

The 3rd goal comes from Ten Haag trying to have Amrabat play in 2 positions at once

[Lewis]

Onana literally gets smaller in goal. He hasn’t half looked terrible in all aspects for Man Utd

Single-handedly setting black 'keepers back thirty years.

[Gray Fox]

We're fucking back bitches.

Hojlund > Haaland.


I thought Arsenal were back phonics?


We're absolutely rancid.

Ten Hag Out.

A story in three parts.

[Jimmy Floyd]

A beautifully 90s set of results tonight. Hakan Sukur with the winner.

[niko_cee]

The coefficient is going back to the 90s as well with these mooks carrying the flag.

[niko_cee]

Reading Pat Nevin's comments about United, is he on acid?

[Waffdon]

The coefficient is going back to the 90s as well with these mooks carrying the flag.

English teams should piss the other European trophies up for grabs though.

And city will get to their usual semi final spot so 5th place should still be fine for CL

[Lofty]

I thought Arsenal were back phonics?

Arteta mismanaged that as far as I'm concerned. Saka off with an injury surely means bring on Nelson, not Vieira. Formation went lopsided and lost the threat that got the goal in the first place: pacey interceptions.

Eventually rolls the dice on White ESR and Nelson and the shots rain down on the Lens goal but too little, too late.

[Kikó]

Really bad.

[Manc]

That Lens goal was absolutely lovely

Aesthetically pleasing from start to finish.

[niko_cee]

Fear not Rangers fans, Frank Lampard is on the way to, erm, save the day?

[Spikey M]

I love that the audio has made it even funnier. Well done boys, good process.

[Lofty]

Not sure why they haven't adopted standard comms procedures from other industries really, given the importance placed on this despite it 'only' being sport. If they just had to make it 10 seconds longer by repeating stuff back to each other it would have prevented the error.

[Shindig]

I can only assume the explosion of injury time has made them speed through it.

[Ben]

Once again the PL got shown up by UEFA last night on VAR.

UEFA manage to create a 3D model of the offside and still get to the correct decision quicker than "Stockley Park" do drawing lines on a still frame with Paint. And then with a potential change of decision the VAR officials send the referee over to the monitor and show him logical replays instead of a still frame or super slow motion.

[niko_cee]

I love that the audio has made it even funnier. Well done boys, good process.

They'll blame the pressure put on them by people moaning the process is too slow, but you can hear in the difference in voice tone between 'Daz' [shouty] and the technical guy [calm] what the real issue is.

Talk of all these foreign referee trips, can we get some foreign ones back in exchange? I could cope with some comedy VAR business if it was that crazy Mexican ref [presumably long retired] instead of a couple of divs called Simon and Darren fucking things up.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67003581

The UK and Republic of Ireland will now bid unopposed for Euro 2028 after Turkey withdrew to focus on a joint bid with Italy for Euro 2032.

It's coming home.

[niko_cee]

God willing Southgate will have been assassinated by then.

[Spikey M]

He wouldn't be involved in anything that interesting.

[SincereTheRebel]

F.U

[Waffdon]

I could be wrong but the EFL could potentially get in trouble after that fan who had a heart attack at the game last night has now died.

The referee refused to stop the play whilst fans ended up running onto the pitch to get the game stopped whilst the fan was getting CPR at the side of the pitch. The medical people trying to get to the fan had to run round the pitch rather than over the pitch (which is obviously quicker) because the game wouldn’t stop. Goalkeeper refused to take a goal kick and game was eventually abandoned

[Lofty]

Apparently one fan ran up to the lino and another to the ref, explaining the emergency and they were both ejected.

[Giggles]

The only good thing about this is that it will get Casement built.

[Giggles]

The only good thing about that bid is that it will get Casement built.

[Lewis]

Northern Ireland must have a stadium not named after an executed traitor that they could have used.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:cab:

[Giggles]

Northern Ireland must have a stadium not named after an executed traitor that they could have used.

You mean hero.

[Spikey M]

I could be wrong but the EFL could potentially get in trouble after that fan who had a heart attack at the game last night has now died.

The referee refused to stop the play whilst fans ended up running onto the pitch to get the game stopped whilst the said fan was getting CPR at the side of the pitch. The medical people trying to get to the fan had to run round the pitch rather than over the pitch (which is obviously quicker) because said game wouldn’t stop. Goalkeeper eventually refused to take a goal kick and game was eventually abandoned


Apparently one fan ran up to the lino and another to the ref, explaining the emergency and they were both ejected.

That's absolutely mental. The officials should never work again. I can only imagine they were not following the rules because SURELY the EFL have a rule allowing them to stop a game for an emergency. It's happened before, anyway.


The only good thing about that bid is that it will get Casement built.

I know it's the brand, but stop being such a misery guts.

[Waffdon]

The reason I said EFL would potentially get sued is that they’ve apparently told referees not to stop games as it was happening all too often. So according to Twitter melts, the referee was just following EFL guidelines

But takes a special sort of retard to have a game continue when someone is getting CPR next to the pitch. Not like it was in the stands

[Spikey M]

If that's true someone somewhere will do very well to avoid prison. That's criminal negligence and it has to be bollocks.

[Baz]

Never mind this dead fella, I’ve just checked the premier league table and Tottenham have still got Liverpool’s 3 points.

[Waffdon]

Anyway, Klopps wants the Spurs game replayed. He really is a perfect match for Liverpool’s victim complex.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I laughed out loud when I saw that. Any remaining pretence of being a serious figure disappears up his arsehole.

[Spikey M]

If it actually happens then Spurs should just refuse to play the game and if that leads to the points being awarded to Liverpool then so be it. This is peak, peak sillybollocks.

There's no actual chance of it happening, right?

[Baz]

I look forward to Christmas when he’s flying the #toomanygames flag too.

[Danny]

If it actually happens then Spurs should just refuse to play the game and if that leads to the points being awarded to Liverpool then so be it. This is peak, peak sillybollocks.

There's no actual chance of it happening, right?

No chance. It would open up a ridiculous amount of requests/challenges over the course of the season.

[Dark Soldier]

If it actually happens then Spurs should just refuse to play the game and if that leads to the points being awarded to Liverpool then so be it. This is peak, peak sillybollocks.

There's no actual chance of it happening, right?

It won't, but if for any reason it does it opens the floodgates to any and all clubs calling for it in the future. Will make an absolute mess.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah, it would collapse the sport in on itself, and Klopp must know that, so he must either be one of the sillier Germans in Germany, or he is trying to make himself a hero with the sillier scousers in north-western England.

*visits RAWK*

lol.

[Gray Fox]

Quite the change in tune since the post game interview.
Suggests he's been briefed on the party line since. Bring on the court case!

[Spikey M]

I honestly don't know how anyone can support them. It's just a deeply unlikeable club from top to bottom.

[Jimmy Floyd]

*city

[Don]

Geezer's got the nation rattled with a throwaway comment during a press-conference for Union Saint-Gilloise. We're so fucking massive.

[Dark Soldier]

You're jointly the most successful club in England while having the most small time mentality. Absolute cult of a fucking thing.

[Don]

On idiots labelling things as small time, Birmingham City FC have absolutely donned it with that shirt retirement.

[niko_cee]

Having not seen his comments, but only heard a bit on the radio, isn't it more of a case of him saying yes please if offered a replay [obviously] but that it won't happen [also obviously]?

[thommo]

Having not seen his comments, but only heard a bit on the radio, isn't it more of a case of him saying yes please if offered a replay [obviously] but that it won't happen [also obviously]?

You've done that on purpose. :D

[niko_cee]

Yeah, looks like he might have gone for the more mad approach [again probably obviously].

[Lewis]

'Yeah, looks like he might have gone for the more mad approach (again [probably obviously])' would have been better.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Square brackets are a dead giveaway for past legal training.

I always wondered what these {} are for. Maths?

[Spikey M]

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:D

[Boydy]

Presumably they existed for some reason before they were on keyboards but they're used extensively in programming. All the various bracket types are.

[niko_cee]

Square brackets are a dead giveaway for past legal training.

I always wondered what these {} are for. Maths?

Isn't there a hierarchy of brackets for brackets within brackets? Those ones do look quite mathsy - I'm sure I used those curly ones for some sort of maths/science type thing at school. Don't think I ever used brackets in the legal training world, other than I guess where there are bits you need to add in to documents, it's all italics for the latin bits.

[niko_cee]

Any word on whether t-shirts are being printed up for the match against the Tony Bloom EU Feeder XI?

[Adramelch]

Ye it's usually used for sets, but not only that.

[-james-]

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The second bullet. :D

[Spikey M]

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[Jimmy Floyd]

The second bullet. :D

I think it's the maddest thing conceivable.


In 2030, the FIFA World Cup will unite three continents and six countries, inviting the entire world to join in the celebration of the beautiful game, the Centenary and the FIFA World Cup itself. The FIFA Council unanimously agreed that the sole candidacy will be the combined bid of Morocco, Portugal, and Spain, which will host the event in 2030 and qualify automatically from the existing slot allocation subject to the completion of a successful bidding process conducted by FIFA and a decision by the FIFA Congress in 2024. Additionally, having taken into account the historical context of the first-ever FIFA World Cup, the FIFA Council further unanimously agreed to host a unique centenary celebration ceremony in the country’s capital, Montevideo, where the first ever FIFA World Cup took place in 1930, as well as three World Cup matches in Uruguay, Argentina and Paraguay respectively.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Here's Klopp on the VAR shambles.

:harold:

[Giggles]

They don't help themselves the insane fuckers do they?

[Waffdon]

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:D

Fabrizio definitely has a Chelsea badge tattooed onto him

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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The second bullet. :D

:cab:

Batshit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think the real news from the insane World Cup announcement is that it guarantees Saudi Arabia the tournament in 2034.

[niko_cee]

Watching that Klopp thing, it does sort of look like he's been put up to saying there should be a replay as most of the rest of what he says is pretty reasonable. What he should have said instead of the replay thing is that there should be some mechanism for the VAR/Referee to correct clear and obvious errors that they have themselves made, but again that would run into difficulty if Spurs had scored in the phase of play immediately following the error rather than a few phases later, so maybe you just have to leave it with the moral force thing of the ref being able to explain what has happened and put it into the court of fairplay between the managers. Imagine if Mourinho was on the benefiting side in such circumstances and that conversation happened or it was late in the game and would have a major bearing on the result. Just clean up the initial process going forward is probably the best outcome.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The true conspiracy theory here is that Liverpool's American owners are hamming it up to try and collapse everything and create conditions for a Super League.

[Manc]

Mbappe struggling on a wet and windy night in Newcastle.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Not sure why people are treating PSG as some giant of the game. They're trailing Brest, Reims etc in league one.

[Danny]

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[Waffdon]

Getting donned by a back 4 including Burn, Lascelles and Schar. Who needs pace.

[Gray Fox]

Farmers league strikes again.

[Spikey M]

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:D

[Waffdon]

Farmers league strikes again.

15th place Lens did don Arsenal yesterday to even it up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Lyon dfl is the end of an era. Aulas must either be dead or nearly dead by now.

[niko_cee]

In fairness to PSG, Taz backed them/their manager to be the real deal this year, and, as we all know, there's no overcoming that endorsement.

[Gray Fox]

Just no interest in defending in any way.

[Waffdon]

Basically playing 424 with wingers who don’t track back was a bold move. Clearly paying off for Enrique.

I feel for the safety of some of these PSG players. Their ultras are about to bomb their houses

[Shindig]

Get Dummett on. He'll smash one in from 30 yards. :D

[Offshore Toon]

Bit mad. Kinda wish I'd made an effort for it.

[Gray Fox]

That's a beautiful assist from the youth.

[Kikó]

Shame to be missing the human rights Derby tonight. Magic of the game.

[niko_cee]

It's a shame, as as a narrative arc Newcastle being good and winning something would be great, but having MBS picking up the trophy in the style of an NFL owner obviously dampens the spirit somewhat.

[Waffdon]

Lol at that awful attempt at an overhead kick from Maeda costing Celtic a winner.

[Shindig]

It's a shame, as as a narrative arc Newcastle being good and winning something would be great, but having MBS picking up the trophy in the style of an NFL owner obviously dampens the spirit somewhat.

It makes it easier to deal with if it's a squad full of Longstaffs, Murphys and Burns.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, I should have caveated that it's not happening this season.

[Waffdon]

Brendan Rodgers in Europe is something else

[Gray Fox]

Schar curling one into the top corner from 30 yards, while falling over, probably sums PSGs day up.

Plastic flags are out though. They should forfeit the game for this Chelsea behaviour.

[Shindig]

We're gonna be knackered for West Ham but this is mint. :D

[Waffdon]

Schar curling one into the top corner from 30 yards, while falling over, probably sums PSGs day up.

Plastic flags are out though. They should forfeit the game for this Chelsea behaviour.

Your fans are trying to get a game replayed over a goal being disallowed whilst down to 10 men with an hour left to play

[Offshore Toon]

Mad fucking night. Two geordies and two Bruce rejects on the scoresheet in an absolute drilling against PSG.

And all it took was blood money apparently.

[Don]

The ref and VAR completely fucked Porto and the game tonight. It was of course some gammon from Wythenshawe who's had far too many sheperd's pies and ales in his lifetime to have any functioning braincells.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The ref and VAR completely fucked Porto and the game tonight. It was of course some gammon from Wythenshawe who's had far too many sheperd's pies and ales in his lifetime to have any functioning braincells.

Replay the game.

[Gray Fox]

Your fans are trying to get a game replayed over a goal being disallowed whilst down to 10 men with an hour left to play

We were better than Spurs with 10 men and going down to 9 made it even. We'd obviously have won the game easily.

Obviously a replay is the only fair thing to do.

[Offshore Toon]

If your judgement was worth sharing you wouldn't be getting bent over by your bosses every other week.

[Gray Fox]

No one's judgement on here is really worth sharing, but still here we are.

[Boydy]

Brendan Rodgers in Europe is something else

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He's a shit manager. I can't remember who it was who said I was wrong when I said it before (when he was still at Leicester) but I was right and still am.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm going to devote the rest of my life to finding out Taz's home address and sending a microwave shepherd's pie and a four pack of Carling there every day until one of us dies.

[Kikó]

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He's a shit manager. I can't remember who it was who said I was wrong when I said it before (when he was still at Leicester) but I was right and still am.

He's clearly not a shit manager.

(I need to pick up someone new now that Bruce is retired)

[Ian]

It's a shame, as as a narrative arc Newcastle being good and winning something would be great, but having MBS picking up the trophy in the style of an NFL owner obviously dampens the spirit somewhat.

"This one's for Jamal!"

[Luke Emia]

He's clearly not a shit manager.

(I need to pick up someone new now that Bruce is retired)

He’s not a shit manager. But he’s not as good as he thinks he is. He also blames anyone else but himself when things go wrong.

[Lofty]

I'm going to devote the rest of my life to finding out Taz's home address and sending a microwave shepherd's pie and a four pack of Carling there every day until one of us dies.

Fray Bentos the true gammon option, surely.

[Kikó]

He’s not a shit manager. But he’s not as good as he thinks he is. He also blames anyone else but himself when things go wrong.

Yeah he has a ceiling on how far he can progress a team before destroying them.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Fray Bentos the true gammon option, surely.

Fray Bentos are from Uruguay so he'll probably think it's a series of gifts from Darwin Nuñez.

[-james-]

I'll never forget the day I went on Lucas Torreira's Wikipedia page for the first time.

[Giggles]

Sammie Szmodics must have gave Stephen Kenny's Mrs one.

[John Arne]

Maguire and Henderson both in the latest England squad. Fuck off, Waistcoat.

[Waffdon]

Hasn’t bothered to call up a left back either lol

[Ben]

Yeah but he's said VAR is shit so we love him again.

[niko_cee]

The police escorted fan bus to the Velodrome got lost. :happycry:

[-james-]

Brighton are suddenly quite shit.

[niko_cee]

Lots of players have been very hot and cold this season for them.

Also, Fati is wank, particularly as a number 10. I know they have a lot of games, and he's mixing and matching the squad a lot, but it feels like Joao Pedro should be playing a lot more than he is.

[Raoul Duke]

Brighton are suddenly quite shit.

Classic "small club who got into Europe and don't have the depth"

[Don]

There's more fundamental issues than simply depth but they really need to give up on the refugee and yes, Fati is shite but will be a bigger ask to drop. Lol at Welbeck not passing that.

[Adramelch]

Brighton are suddenly quite shit.

Weren't they supposed to top their group with 18 points?

[Giggles]

Is there a completely different ball in European games or something? Brighton all look like they've never tried to control one at all before.

[Ben]

Fuck me, Gattuso looks like an unemployed alcoholic.

[Bernanke]

Klaksvik with their first group stage point. :cool:

[Dark Soldier]

Am obsessed with these armchair tactics strategy expert accounts on Twitter talking about a team processing a 5 man mid block in the 7th triangle squirting the opposition by man marking in a gradient zone.

Absolute fucking gibberish and all the neckbeards stroking their chins wondering if their club can counter this by forcing the aggressive mid-high press through the spatial channel and switching from a 3-1-2 buildup into an adventurous 2-2-2 counter.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You found James' Twitter? Nice.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Get it out wide and whip it into the mixer, that's what I say.

[Don]

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You need to use google translate regularly but @futboltherapist is an incredible account.

[-james-]

You found James' Twitter? Nice.

I obviously went through a phase of trying to read wanky tactics blogs and that, but my brain just doesn't comprehend that stuff and I'm glad I've stopped trying.

[Bernanke]

Paulp Ogba seems done for. Maybe the Saudis can disguise him under a different name and he can continue there.

[Bernanke]

New Freddy Adu just dropped:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/oct/02/las-vegas-lights-davian-kimbrough-makes-professional-debut-at-age-of-13

[Spikey M]

I look forward to seeing how the unhealthy level of interest in him goes on to damage his mental health and ruin his potential.

[Danny]

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[niko_cee]

What a weird twitter account.

Led to this though:

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:D

[Danny]

I haven’t seen anything outside that Rooney thread. Will avoid.

[Danny]

Paulp Ogba seems done for. Maybe the Saudis can disguise him under a different name and he can continue there.

https://www.goal.com/en/news/man-utd-mistake-pogba-parting-message-haunt-red-devils/blt5762e00a4cf27080


He has said in his new Amazon Prime documentary: “My thought process is to show Manchester (United) that they made a mistake in waiting to give me a contract.

“And to show other clubs that Manchester had made a mistake in not offering me a contract.”

About that :happycry:

[Kikó]

Maybe we were right and he is a waster.

[niko_cee]

Who's the 'we' here?

[igor_balis]

Am obsessed with these armchair tactics strategy expert accounts on Twitter talking about a team processing a 5 man mid block in the 7th triangle squirting the opposition by man marking in a gradient zone.

Absolute fucking gibberish and all the neckbeards stroking their chins wondering if their club can counter this by forcing the aggressive mid-high press through the spatial channel and switching from a 3-1-2 buildup into an adventurous 2-2-2 counter.

I dunno, losers trying to understand real life football tactics is probably more admirable than working out which nonsense tactic is broken in FM year after year then posting every 8-0 win and 100 point season on here with :drool: as if anyone gives a shit

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You love to see that needle.

[Pen]

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You need to use google translate regularly but @futboltherapist is an incredible account.

Is that Greenwood's handle?

Edit: Sincere is going to be so disappointed when he finds out that Hibbert documentary is not real.

[Dark Soldier]

I dunno, losers trying to understand real life football tactics is probably more admirable than working out which nonsense tactic is broken in FM year after year then posting every 8-0 win and 100 point season on here with :drool: as if anyone gives a shit

Man's flipped his nut, tearing out whatever strands are left up top.