The Jude Bellingham Summer 2023 Transfer Thread

[John Arne]

Leicester have just confirmed the signing of Suphanat Muenta from Buriram, a player I tipped on THIS VERY FORUM back in 2019.

He'll join Leuven in Belgium until he gets a Work Permit.


Three great young Asian's for ya.

Supahanat Mueanta
Just 16, and likely to stay in Thailand for a while yet. However, could easily be the Supat Rungratsamee. 3 in 14 for Thai giants Buriram, and named in the latest senior Thai national team, having previously scored 19 in 16 for the U16's, 4 in 6 for the U19's and 1 in 1 for the U21's.

[Baz]

Barella seems a decent second choice if Liverpool don’t get Bellingham.

[John Arne]

Just give "Milly" another year...

[Jimmy Floyd]

If Aston Villa made the CL and Bellingham 'chose' them, would Birmingham unretire his number?

[niko_cee]

:D

Does have the feel of the debacle that was Eden Hazard's summer of transfer flirtations.

[John Arne]

Anyone fancy Gareth Barry to Liverpool?

[niko_cee]

Caicedo and MacAllister are going to be the fuck you pay me characters this summer.

[Ian]

:D

Does have the feel of the debacle that was Eden Hazard's summer of transfer flirtations.

That was the point where I was like "Don't care how good he is don't want him to choose United."

Remember when he called a press conference.... to announce a later press conference?

[Shindig]

According to last month's rumour mill, we've been snooping about Ward-Prowse. The Maddison hunt has switched targets towards Harvey Barnes. We'll probably wind up with Oxlaide-Chamberlain.

[Gray Fox]

And you'll hate every second of it.

[niko_cee]

He was great until he died in that game against Roma, which, in many ways was the high point of the Klopp era [to date].

[Gray Fox]

He was great until he died in that game against Roma, which, in many ways was the high point of the Klopp era [to date].

I feel like the Roma game, then subsequent final loss to Madrid, combined with the loss of Buvac in the backroom staff was the thing that showed Klopp that his chaos football while entertaining wouldn't bring trophies with it.

This catastrophe of a season aside, they've been coming in steadily since.

[randomlegend]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liverpool-cool-pursuit-of-jude-bellingham-and-seek-midfield-alternatives-xdf6963kn

That was incredibly predictable. Liverpool fans thinking they were in with a chance :harold:

[Waffdon]

Probably join Madrid and give them 3 of the best young central kids in the world to choose from.

[Gray Fox]

Interesting of John Henry to basically declare war on his own clubs fanbase with that move.

[niko_cee]

Not sure the idea of signing Bellingham was ever more realistic than signing Haaland or Mbappe or whoever else falls into that category. That level of transfer is the preserve of very few clubs, with a lot more leverage than 'football heritage', and it's not the way football works now. Also, Liverpool spending all their money and more on one player won't improve them sufficiently. They're never going to be a harlem globetrotter style galactico team, they need to be more savvy which is obviously quite challenging. Passable footballers are ten a penny though. Highly rated at the time Moises Caicedo cost 4.5m little over a year ago.

[Baz]

But he celebrated a goal with Hendo. :happycry:

[Gray Fox]

I think this one has/had more realism on the players side this time. But I agree on this would have been a very untraditional Liverpool signing. The issue here has been created in a way by the club and its related journalists.

The brand message last summer seemed to be it's alright lads, we don't need a midfielder this year but next year we'll be in for Bellingham who can't move now just because of Haaland leaving Dortmund first. That then transitioned into a bid for Tchouameni, who chose Madrid in the end. Which is to be expected. But at least due diligence was done and Liverpool were in play in case Madrid somehow fucked it up. More fuel was then added to the fire with late failures in trying to secure discount targets coming out and the hurried signing of Arthur Melo(who has played what, 30 minutes this season?).
Fans are now a bit peeved at the shit handling of a position they're been screaming had been a problem for 2 years. But it'll be okay because they're back in for Bellingham in the coming summer.

Given the biggest criticism of FSG is that they wont put their hands in their pockets for players, this decision is going to tick some people right off. LFC twitter is already in a small meltdown.
With nothing to play for beyond giving Firmino a good send off and fans packing Naby Keitas bags for him at this point, I reckon the protests will be back with avengeance.

Especially if they go and do something braindead like announcing a 1 year extension for Milner tomorrow.

[Jimmy Floyd]

All club twitters are the same now, buy me expensive player du jour or I'll throw a wobbly. Huge difference to the matchgoing fan.

[niko_cee]

The match going fan obviously living and dying for the apology from Howard Webb the day after.

[Don]

Oh no, LFC Twitter is angry. I'll fucking nonce all those teenagers' arseholes raw before their opinion is worth anything.

We'll sign Mount, Gallagher and Nunes and dominate everything. Either that or loan in Jack Cork like a proper club.

[niko_cee]

Lots of talk down here on the South Coast about Mac Allister to Liverpool

[Spikey M]

If the asking price for Bellingham really is £130 million then I can't understand how that's expensive in this case. Not when you factor in the English Tax, his age, experience level and how good he is.

[Gray Fox]

I think if the Bellingham deal is actually off now, they're going to be linked with every midfielder in Europe.

I think we'll see Mount in, someone like a Mac Allister and perhaps a less attacking option.

[Waffdon]

Mount and Gallagher in to go back to the Cardio FC glory days. James Milner will be fuming he’s got competition now.

[Gray Fox]

I don't mind Mount. I think he's quite underrated. Would very much remind me of when we signed Oxlade-Chamberlain. He thrived before the injury broke him.

[niko_cee]

What's the deal with Mount? Is his contract up this summer or is he entering the final 12 months?

[Giggles]

What's the deal with Mount? Is his contract up this summer or is he entering the final 12 months?

Or who cares because he should be playing for Leeds.

[Waffdon]

What's the deal with Mount? Is his contract up this summer or is he entering the final 12 months?

Next summer

[Gray Fox]

Ends 2024 and it would seem by his sudden role reduction that both parties have accepted he needs to move on this summer.

All depends here on how high Chelsea will put the fee. I'm imagining £20-25m. If they want closer to double that then he may well be off somewhere else.

[Waffdon]

There’s not a chance they sell him for £20-25m. Gallagher was getting bids of over £40m and is half the player.

[niko_cee]

Most teams he would be interested in joining would probably wait to sign him for nothing rather than going all in and spending a large amount on him, I would have thought.

So he'll go to Newcastle for £60m.

[Baz]

Talk to me about Gravenberch. Seems to be happening.

[Shindig]

At the very least you'll get a pair of younger legs anchoring midfield. I didn't realise how young he was. He only signed for Bayern this season, though.

[Lofty]

I don't mind Mount. I think he's quite underrated. Would very much remind me of when we signed Oxlade-Chamberlain. He thrived before the injury broke him.

He was always a sicknote you just somehow landed a purple patch of health from him.

[Gray Fox]

Talk to me about Gravenberch. Seems to be happening.

Seems the fee is £25m or so and he's interested as he's only a bench warmer there. The main concern is obviously if he can't get in the Bayern midfield how will he improve Liverpools?

[Baz]

Because we’re absolute trash. Tom Davies would improve it.

[niko_cee]

He was always a sicknote you just somehow landed a purple patch of health from him.

His purple patch of health coming in a season where he sustained a career ending injury speaks volumes about him.

Keita's been an absolute basket case as well.

The ability to shoulder a 50/60 game season and never really suffer fitness-wise is probably the standout differential that makes good players top top players.

[Manc]

If Liverpool sign one of Palhinha or Caicedo thier midfield improves dramatically imo. Hopefully both are on this twelve man shortlist Klopp spoke about.

[Gray Fox]

I'm not so sure they'd be in for Palhinha. The emphasis seems to be on bridging that gap that appeared, meaning there were players around 30 years old and some in their late teens, but no one in the middle.

If Gravenberch is the first one in, I'd expect maybe a Mount and then an attempt at a Nunes type player, to get some players in towards their early/mid twenties.

[Waffdon]

Not a chance Liverpool are getting Caicedo in the same way Bellingham was never joining them lol

[Gray Fox]

Yeah given they rejected offers of near £70m in January and he will surely cost to a point you might as well not bother.

[Don]

His wages are peanuts, we can afford £70m+, it's the wages of hyped up BLM fucks that are driven up by City and Madrid that is the problem so Caicedo is well within reach.

[Gray Fox]

He signed a new deal since January so the peanut wages are a thing of the past.

[niko_cee]

Caicedo is a quality player, but I'm pretty sure you could find equally good players for a fraction of the cost if you look a little deeper. The fact that 'big clubs' increasingly refuse to even countenance that is another unappealing aspect of the modern game. Buying off Brighton is a bit of a mugs game, and they're going to be in the Champions league anyway.

I suppose any fee for Caicedo might depend on what they told him when he signed that jew deal with regatds to him moving on in the summer. £75,000,001 bid inbound from Arsenal.

[Lofty]

I don't think Arsenal go back for Caicedo it was just a panic at the time about light midfield numbers and seemed like a good fit who would be more than a short term fix.

[Lewis]

Caicedo is a quality player, but I'm pretty sure you could find equally good players for a fraction of the cost if you look a little deeper. The fact that 'big clubs' increasingly refuse to even countenance that is another unappealing aspect of the modern game. Buying off Brighton is a bit of a mugs game, and they're going to be in the Champions league anyway.

I suppose any fee for Caicedo might depend on what they told him when he signed that jew deal with regatds to him moving on in the summer. £75,000,001 bid inbound from Arsenal.

Some typo that.

[niko_cee]

That was meant to say new deal before Phonics bans me.

[niko_cee]

Some typo that.

:D

I didn't think it had posted as it was still on my phone and then I saw it and thought probably for the best. I'll blame having spent the weekend in Taz's neck of the woods.

[randomlegend]

United briefing this morning that there will be a clear-out in the summer. Twitter seems to be broken so can't link any of the stories.

Clearly what is needed but it remains to be seen whether it's all talk and no trousers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They need to clear out the dead wood, and bring in some living wood which will itself be dead by this time next year.

[Gray Fox]

A new name seemingly on THE SHORTLIST is Khephren Thuram. Sure to wet Tazs' whistle and is the 22 year old son of Lilian, which has made me feel ancient.

[Lewis]

United briefing this morning that there will be a clear-out in the summer. Twitter seems to be broken so can't link any of the stories.

Clearly what is needed but it remains to be seen whether it's all talk and no trousers.

I've been wondering whether to write Jadons Ancho off for a few months, and it sounds like the club might have done. Absolute fanny. Nobody should ever buy a Bundesliga winger again.

[Ian]

I'd probably have been inclined to get Sancho next season too but given he's one of the highest paid players and ten Hag has invested a lot in him this season without any immediately obviously material gains I get why he might want to try and sell him while there's a bit left on his contract before it runs down and he becomes worth even less.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Who's buying him? Don't say Chelsea, my doctor's fully booked for the next month.

[Ian]

Nobody for what United paid but I guess they'd test the market and see what people are prepared to pay.

Or yeah, just storm into Boehley's office and shriek WE'RE NOT SELLING SANCHO FOR LESS THAN £300m!!!!! and wait for him to bid 400.

[Baz]

Is Sancho a LWF? Mate, Garnacho’s got that position on lockdown for the foreseeable, surely.

[niko_cee]

I watch as little of United as humanly possible whilst generally following THE FOOTBALL but has Sancho been any worse than Antony this season? He'll be on mental wages as well, which pretty much rules out him going anywhere other than Newcastle.

Remember when Rashford-Greenwood-Sancho was going to be England's front three for the next 10 years? Good times.

If you start a serious chaff clearance at United what are you left with? About 4 players?

[Ben]

Nobody is worse than Antony. :D

[Lewis]

Antony is more likely to improve, which is to say have the stupid things kicked out of him and made to run around a bit harder, because he is at least right up for it. Jadons Ancho seems a bit weak-willed.

[Kikó]

Sancho is complete turd. Antony has been massively more influential all season despite him being new to the league and clearly raw.

[Waffdon]

Yeah, Antony has been far better than Sancho. Which isn’t saying much but the latter has been abysmal. Just a bit fat

[Waffdon]

Sounds like Pochettino or Kompany for the Chelsea job after they’ve ruled Enrique and Naglesmann out of the running. Pochettino will just be another Benitez scenario where the fans don’t take to him due to connections of a previous club and Kompany is just Potter all over again and hoping he can actually come good.

[niko_cee]

Potter with none of the actual managerial CV, would last about 10 minutes until they're 10th after 10 games again due to having a poor squad assembled by an idiot.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They should have just held their nerve with Potter if these mooks are the ones under consideration.

[Waffdon]

You can blame Boehly for the summer recruitment (which was always going to be a bit of shambles) but January onwards is on the geezers they’ve brought in from Brighton, Leipzig and Monaco for the recruitment.

Sounds like they’re still going all in on this buy young shenanigans. Proper FM stuff. Reportedly after Lavia and Manu Kone for midfield in the summer who are 19 and 21 respectively. Barely going to have a player over 25 starting games at this rate.

[Waffdon]

They should have just held their nerve with Potter if these mooks are the ones under consideration.

Pochettino is clearly a very good manager and has been everywhere he’s been other than PSG (but then who is, Tuchel failed to even win the league there one season) but the connection with Spurs will just have it going sour from day one

[Jimmy Floyd]

Pochettino has been sitting in the bath eating crisps for, what, three years? Avoid.

[niko_cee]

You can blame Boehly for the summer recruitment (which was always going to be a bit of shambles) but January onwards is on the geezers they’ve brought in from Brighton, Leipzig and Monaco for the recruitment.

Sounds like they’re still going all in on this buy young shenanigans. Proper FM stuff. Reportedly after Lavia and Manu Kone for midfield in the summer who are 19 and 21 respectively. Barely going to have a player over 25 starting games at this rate.

The sign 'em young and hungry strategy is all well and good if you are Brighton, Leipzig or Monaco, and the end goal is to sell them on. Is that the plan at Chelsea? The strategy is less good if you want to be a serious contender top top club, because younger players are almost inherently less reliable, which you sort of need these days with the ridiculously high standards being set.

[Giggles]

Wasn’t the Chelsea plan just to buy them young and indefinitely loan them out?

[Shindig]

Potter with none of the actual managerial CV, would last about 10 minutes until they're 10th after 10 games again due to having a poor squad assembled by an idiot.

I don't see Kompany leaving Burnley that quickly. He's better off building his reputation there before becoming City's binman.

[Giggles]

Kompany will succeed at the highest level.

[Manc]

I hope not. He looks ridiculous both with and without a hat.

[Lewis]

Head like a pint glass.

[Danny]

https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/griffey-giant-head-drink.jpg

[Ben]

Head like a pint glass.

:lol:

[Jimmy Floyd]

The sign 'em young and hungry strategy is all well and good if you are Brighton, Leipzig or Monaco, and the end goal is to sell them on. Is that the plan at Chelsea? The strategy is less good if you want to be a serious contender top top club, because younger players are almost inherently less reliable, which you sort of need these days with the ridiculously high standards being set.

As far as I can see, and as far as my knowledge of baseball goes, he is literally just trying to run it like a baseball club, i.e. step 1 front office and analytics, step 2 ???, step 3 profit. While certain mostly-online plebs probably enjoy that kind of approach, there are a lot of issues with it, including, but not limited to:

- Chelsea are (or were) already at an elite level, and were already doing advanced analytics.

- Literally everyone else is also doing advanced analytics.

- Yer Brightons, who have the best analytics, only bother ploughing so much resource into them because there is way more leverage from such things at a mid-table/Championship level than there is at an elite level. Do we think Brighton are going to ride this all the way to world domination? I don't think so, they're probably close to maxing out now, maybe scraping a CL appearance being the high watermark they can aspire to. I don't know what Tony Bloom's motivations for owning Brighton are - fun, or making money, or what - but if he was a pure investor, I reckon he'd sell soonish.

- Baseball has a 162 game season and if you lose 20 games in a run of 30 most fanbases are shrugging or at least only mildly concerned. If you lose 2 football matches in 3, as an 'elite' team, football fans are howling for blood.

- These 8 year contracts - or 'Team-Friendly' contracts as they're known in baseball - do not actually tally up with the economics of football at all. In baseball they tend to come about when the player is mid-career in order to secure their last x years of top-level play in exchange for confirmed financial security. In football people are signing them at the age of 23 to run until they're 31, or worse still, 20 to run until they're 28. What is the incentive to get better if you're sitting on such a contract? If they turn shit, how will the club be able to offload them? It's insanity.

- Baseball is a closed league and although it's not as draft-dependent as the NFL or NBA, the draft, and, more to the point, the limited number of teams, still plays a reasonable part.

- The LA Dodgers would have been relegated in 1992, if baseball had such things

- Young players in football are very overrated as a means of winning anything (nod to Alan Hansen here). The World Cup was dominated by 35 year old Messi. Recent CLs have been shat on by 37yo Modric and 35yo Benzema, among others. Chelsea's own best player is 38yo Thiago Silva. Elite performance (nod to Jake Humphrey here) is about the combination of excellent players and an excellent organisation, both of which elude Boehly's Chelsea.

- He's a loudmouth American with David Mellor hair. There isn't a long track record of such people being successful English football club owners.

I would forecast us next season to be, at very best under the best possible manager we could hire, something like upper mid-table (7th/8th), still struggling to score goals and with several of the players signed this year disappearing into Bogarde-style wilderness years. At worst, I think it's a genuine possibility that this year's malaise could continue where it's going to leave off, and we could be involved in the bottom six survival battle.

[Lewis]

It really all did fall apart around that Lukaku signing. Pure insanity that one.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think they got sucked into some kind of 'he guarantees goals!' wormhole and that was it, compounding the error by replacing him with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang.

[Lewis]

I wonder whether these things get so lost in all the DATA and ANALYTICS that nobody ever stops and goes 'Yeah, but Serie A is shit' or 'Did you see him at United?', like every United fan on here did.

[phonics]

The thing that people don't factor in to the whole 'Why don't the big clubs just sign the players Brighton do' is that if they did then the price would triple and so would the wages. So Brighton can take punts knowing that for every 3 that don't come off, the inevitable sale of the 1 that does pays for the others. Meanwhile if the big team punt does come off, you don't want to sell him so you either give them a contract that over values them and hope they continue to perform to that level or lose them on a free.


I wonder whether these things get so lost in all the DATA and ANALYTICS that nobody ever stops and goes 'Yeah, but Serie A is shit' or 'Did you see him at United?', like every United fan on here did.

IIRC that was a Peter Chech transfer.

[randomlegend]

The Lukaku in Timberlands and jeans meme really is one of the greats.

[niko_cee]

Yer Brightons, who have the best analytics, only bother ploughing so much resource into them because there is way more leverage from such things at a mid-table/Championship level than there is at an elite level. Do we think Brighton are going to ride this all the way to world domination? I don't think so, they're probably close to maxing out now, maybe scraping a CL appearance being the high watermark they can aspire to. I don't know what Tony Bloom's motivations for owning Brighton are - fun, or making money, or what - but if he was a pure investor, I reckon he'd sell soonish.


Runs in his blood [ie his dad was a director or something] and you know, boyhood fan and all that. Not sure Brighton's analytics are all that [or anyones' are really] but as you say, they are perfectly positioned to Dortmund/Benfica the fuck out of things as a semi-stable Premier League club who can never really aspire to the big time. Buy low, sell high, make players look 'better' than they are etc. Maybe they can be Atalanta for a few seasons and get in with the big boys, but the Premier League is on another planet in terms of financial competition so that would be a minor miracle given their resources. In terms of return on investment, yeah, Bloom would be laughing if he sold Brighton now [although who to I have no idea].

[niko_cee]

The thing that people don't factor in to the whole 'Why don't the big clubs just sign the players Brighton do' is that if they did then the price would triple and so would the wages. So Brighton can take punts knowing that for every 3 that don't come off, the inevitable sale of the 1 that does pays for the others. Meanwhile if the big team punt does come off, you don't want to sell him so you either give them a contract that over values them and hope they continue to perform to that level or lose them on a free.


The biggest issue is to see the 'returns' on a young player getting better you actually have to play them to find out if they are any good, and most big clubs have no interest in doing that. Every club was sniffing around Caicedo when he went to Brighton. Think Brighton only got him as there were some unusualities surrounding his ownership/agent structure [or something like that] which put the heavy hitters off.

[-james-]

- Young players in football are very overrated as a means of winning anything (nod to Alan Hansen here). The World Cup was dominated by 35 year old Messi. Recent CLs have been shat on by 37yo Modric and 35yo Benzema, among others. Chelsea's own best player is 38yo Thiago Silva. Elite performance (nod to Jake Humphrey here) is about the combination of excellent players and an excellent organisation, both of which elude Boehly's Chelsea.



Those players were all elite for a decade or two before that, the fact that there is the occasional outlier who can carry on into their dotage doesn't really prove anything. Look at Liverpool turning to shit once half the team got the wrong side of thirty. There's an age curve, it's obvious why, on average, you'd want to buy players before they hit their peak.

I think Brighton not buying a striker for two or three seasons when every football ramble listener was shouting at them to do so sums them up. While I'm sure every other club in the league has an "analytics department" (probably one guy on half the wages of their third goalkeeper working 80 hours weeks), I don't think anyone has buy-in like Brighton (/Brentford) do. Good luck convincing the PFMs not to buy Lukaku if there's no structure to allow that to happen.

[niko_cee]

Brighton have bought [or had] loads of 'strikers'.

They've just all been dreadful for the most part.

[-james-]

Locadia and Andone in the early days, yeah, but I think pocket change on Undav is the only other purchase? Point is not splurging on some negative ev shite because of NARRATIVE.

Transfers in general have a much lower hit rate than people expect them to. I think it's just fair to assume that every bit of business that Brighton do is "good process" (the aforementioned twosome were just bad beats!!). It'll be interesting to see what they get up to this summer with a higher profile and an obvious need to expand the squad.

[-james-]

https://blog.transferroom.com/top-seven-reasons-why-transfers-fail-for-a-player

[Don]

The sort of patience and coaching that the likes of Mac Allister and Caicedo received they wouldn't be getting at the top clubs. The former was more pointless than Jahanbakhsh for years before turning into an influential world cup winner.

Is their record with signings even that great? I swear most of it turns to shit.

Gross was their greatest moneyball signing as that was upon promotion I think but beside the recent Mitoma, Estupinan and Ferguson finds, it's just a load of mediocre shite being coached the life out of. Brentford is much the same, both have realised coaching gets you everything and you don't need to run clubs like some FM game.

[-james-]

There were a load of expensive failures between '17 and '19 but it's all offset by Gross, Bissouma and Mac Allister and you had loads of low key great business with Gyokeres, Ostigaard, Burn, Dreyer even if they didn't all work out. From then on there's barely a misstep, scary stuff.

I did forget Maupay in my previous post tbf but you can't blame Brighton for blindly trusting the Brentford pipeline.

[Giggles]

The sort of patience and coaching that the likes of Mac Allister and Caicedo received they wouldn't be getting at the top clubs. The former was more pointless than Jahanbakhsh for years before turning into an influential world cup winner.

Is their record with signings even that great? I swear most of it turns to shit.

Gross was their greatest moneyball signing as that was upon promotion I think but beside the recent Mitoma, Estupinan and Ferguson finds, it's just a load of mediocre shite being coached the life out of. Brentford is much the same, both have realised coaching gets you everything and you don't need to run clubs like some FM game.

Ssshhh, I don’t think you’re allowed to mention Ferguson on here.

[niko_cee]

https://blog.transferroom.com/top-seven-reasons-why-transfers-fail-for-a-player

Those first two are just straight trolling.

I see Liverpool are looking to loan Carvalho out next season. There's a decent example of what happens when a big club signs an aspiring talent. The allure of getting him cheap before he becomes a £50m player on the back of one good season is obviously great, but in doing so you stop him ever becoming that player by not playing him. Should have stayed at Fulham.

The most important recruitment decision is always getting the right manager, which Brighton have probably led the field in this season in terms of getting it right.

Football is also an incredibly short termist thing. Everyone wetting their pants about 'the Brighton model' now forget that little over a year ago they were coming off six league defeats in a row, into a 0-0 draw at home with [a dreadful] Norwich, also marking a fifth game in a row where Brighton had failed to score [maybe the execs at Chelsea should have remembered this]. Then they gave Caicedo his league debut against Arsenal and it's been a wild ride since. Which is mad to think considering he is now seen as some sort of £80m+ player. League debut 9th April 2022.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Those players were all elite for a decade or two before that, the fact that there is the occasional outlier who can carry on into their dotage doesn't really prove anything. Look at Liverpool turning to shit once half the team got the wrong side of thirty. There's an age curve, it's obvious why, on average, you'd want to buy players before they hit their peak.

I think Brighton not buying a striker for two or three seasons when every football ramble listener was shouting at them to do so sums them up. While I'm sure every other club in the league has an "analytics department" (probably one guy on half the wages of their third goalkeeper working 80 hours weeks), I don't think anyone has buy-in like Brighton (/Brentford) do. Good luck convincing the PFMs not to buy Lukaku if there's no structure to allow that to happen.

Yeah, what I meant was when you're at elite level (i.e. wanting to challenge for the English and European titles), it should be clear who the elite players are, and having a series of punts on young players is not the way to stay where you are.

[phonics]

Another thing about this Brighton stuff. Weren't people saying exactly the same thing about Southampton 5 years ago?

[Don]

Milner linked to Brighton/Burnley. Goodnight my sweet severely technically limited monotonous bastion of gammon professionalism.

[-james-]

The dualism of their signings being either South American regens or over the hill England internationals is quite funny.

[niko_cee]

Milner's just another manager on the pitch type player [like Lallana]. Would have thought he'd be more likely to stay oop north but I guess Brighton is a pretty exciting place to be [until they sell all their good players in the summer].

[Don]

That Joao Pedro will cook though.

[Gray Fox]

Someone who watches Sporting talk to me about Manuel Ugarte.

Liverpool links have popped up and it sounds like it might be in the £40-60m range.

[Waffdon]

The stat boys absolutely rave about him and have him as the next best thing.

[randomlegend]

When Palhinha went to Fulham, the Sporting lot were all saying Ugarte was the real talent from their midfield.

[Offshore Toon]

Facebook mums don't tend to rate him as he doesn't have any Prem experience.

[Bam]

Facebook mums don't tend to rate him as he doesn't have any Prem experience.

:henn0rz:

[randomlegend]

Bellingham to Real looks done.

[Dark Soldier]

But I thought he was best mates with Trent and he was nailed on for the Scouse failures

[Ben]

Bellingham, Camavinga, Tchouameni. Alright that.

[Don]

Getting him on the cheap after he has enough bananas thrown at him :drool:

[Gray Fox]

Bellingham, Camavinga, Tchouameni. Alright that.

10+ years of that too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Bit of an ego dent for English football, that (or just an ego boost for the Spanish tax break system).

[Waffdon]

Aston Villa nabbing Barcelona’s sporting director or whatever he is will even it out

[randomlegend]

Liverpool fans thinking they ever have a chance of signing players like Mbappe and Bellingham is always funny.

[-james-]

1653691602072633345

How fucking deranged are footballers.

[Baz]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b4/47/05/b4470514bbda6818b6b9d7af5b397f1c.jpg

[Manc]

Hasn't Sane done something similar?

[randomlegend]

Hasn't Sane done something similar?

Ironic.

[Gray Fox]

Sounds like Milner is off to Brighton too. I can't really understand it, unless Liverpool just haven't offered him a deal. I wouldnt say he's going to get any more playing time there than he would for us.
I was fully expecting him to follow Leeds into the Championship, but the return of Big Sam may scupper that.

That's now Milner, Oxlade, Keita and if you can count him Arthur on the way out. Granted that's not a lot of first team material but those are likely some good wages savings. Thiago is also apparently injured and out for "months" again so we should chuck him in the pile too.

[Shindig]

I can understand it. He's in the twilight of his career and has nothing left to do at Liverpool. He can probably feel like a part of something at Brighton (European foortball included) and then sign off on a long and boring career.

[Manc]

What a useless cunt Thiago is.

[niko_cee]

Just send him back to Bayern and they can send Sadio back in return.

[Gray Fox]

Wouldn't want to be Salah, now he's started punching team mates who annoy him.

[niko_cee]

I think there's probably a bit of a leap between lamping Salah and some jumped up nobody like Leroy Sane or Serge Gnabry or whoever it was.

Unfortunately Liverpool have gone down the Bayern route and overstocked massively in that sort of position so it's never going to happen.

[Gray Fox]

Seems like Liverpool will be getting Alexis Mac Allister. If that could be done for around the £60m mark I think that'd be alright. A goalscoring midfielder is badly needed.

[Manc]

Square peg in a round hole.

[Don]

Difficult to get excited about him, stats aren't amazing and physically he's mediocre in every respect. The only saving grace is he may have the required creativity and ability to maintain possession and he doesn't have the favela attitude of laziness and tantrums.

[niko_cee]

I wouldn't say he's physically mediocre, unless your yardstick is some sort of massive African unit, which it probably is. He covers an enormous amount of ground in a game, reads the game well, is good in possession and has a goal in him. A decent all-rounder. Dangerous business buying off Brighton though. Not that there's much store to be put in transfer fees anymore but I don't know if he's really a £60m+ player.

[Gray Fox]

He's scored near 1 in 3 this season for Brighton in a not incomparable style of football too.

Whereas Henderson gets 1 every 12 or so games, Fabinho 1 in 18 and Thiago 1 in 33.

[-james-]

He's obviously a don but worth pointing out that half of those were penalties.

[Gray Fox]

Still miles better than the current offerings.

[Luke Emia]

I do wonder with this whole Trent situation is it a case of trying this till the end of the season and if it works he becomes the right hand sided midfielder(like Henderson but with technical ability) then you go out and buy one/two midfielders this summer and a right back who would be cheaper than a top quality midfielder. Also if you pick a more defensively stable right back you take away that issue with Trent too.

[Gray Fox]

I do wonder with this whole Trent situation is it a case of trying this till the end of the season and if it works he becomes the right hand sided midfielder(like Henderson but with technical ability) then you go out and buy one/two midfielders this summer and a right back who would be cheaper than a top quality midfielder. Also if you pick a more defensively stable right back you take away that issue with Trent too.

The current version of it surely cannot last. Teams know he's doing it and are doing the easy game plan of playing the ball into that space. Fulham tried it but they only had a 40 year old Willian. When they got Solomon on they probably should have nicked a draw.

Sadly I think the way will be to get 3 midfielders in and perhaps a CB(noises Matip may leave now Konate is first choice).

[randomlegend]

"Trent" is easily the most boring conversation in football.

[Kikó]

He's got the discipline of a favela and the technique of a gammon.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's basically David Beckham, isn't he? Except that position doesn't exist anymore.

[Ian]

He's basically David Beckham, isn't he? Except that position doesn't exist anymore.

I believe you made a joke once at the expense of Beckham's critics' that future grandads would say "his only skill was putting the ball exactly where he wanted to." Would you say that of Alexander-Arnold? He has skills in athleticism and improvisation that Beckham didn't have but Beckham was so good at his one thing he basically didn't need to care that the opposition knew it was coming.

[Raoul Duke]

Beckham also had Gary Neville sitting behind him to cover him, rather than a wide open space and half a Konate

[Baz]

What'll happen with James Ward-Prowse when Southampton go down? :eyemouth:

[Spikey M]

He will sign for one of the traditional top 6 teams and sit on the bench for 100k a week.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've wanted us to sign him for ages. Probably absolute poison to the analysts which is why he hasn't moved until now. Kicking a ball effectively just doesn't cut it.

[Don]

Lavia being their prized asset is certainly a damning indictment on the white man's downfall in the game/society.

[Gray Fox]

What'll happen with James Ward-Prowse when Southampton go down? :eyemouth:

I don't think I've ever seen a more nailed on Tottenham Hotspur signing.

[niko_cee]

Newcastle looking to sign Neymar would be pretty lol. Not quite as funny as if Mr Jassim gets his way and takes him to United in some sort of Qatari money laundering enterprise, but the sort of thing that would set either of them both back by a good few years.

[Andy]

Prowse isn't anything special, it's why he never plays for England. I reckon he will sign for Newcastle, Spurs I doubt as he was never a good fit with Hojberg. A good solid Premier League player but nothing more.

Lavia and Livramento are the two the top sides should be after. Possibly KWP as well if he can get back to last seasons form.

The rest are complete bobbins, if any premier league club goes for them they're in trouble.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We need a right back so if we can avoid trying to get the corpse of Carlos Alberto or whatever then Livramento should be in the mix.

[Waffdon]

Malo Gusto (another 20 year old :cool:) is joining in the summer alongside Nkunku so a right back won’t be getting signed.

Livramento is a don but I’d be waiting a while before seeing if he’s competent after doing his knee in. He’s barley played football. Cobham love an injury prone right back (see: Reece James and Tariq Lamptey)

[Andy]

Malo Gusto (another 20 year old :cool:) is joining in the summer alongside Nkunku so a right back won’t be getting signed.

Livramento is a don but I’d be waiting a while before seeing if he’s competent after doing his knee in. He’s barley played football. Cobham love an injury prone right back (see: Reece James and Tariq Lamptey)

I am hoping be ause of the injury he gives us a season in the Championship.

I think there's also an outside chance we keep Lavia as well as his buy back clause with City doesn't come into play until next summer.

[Don]

That Alcaraz would be worth £350m given another 6 months at a stable club like Brighton. Bella-Kotchap, Mara and Edozie could also be worth a pop if they manage to avoid the rape cases (the latter absolutely won't).

[Manc]

phonics

[niko_cee]

Brighton have agreed at £30m deal for Joao Pedro from Watford. Have they still got Sarr as well?

[Giggles]

Fuck sake.

[Shindig]

Newcastle looking to sign Neymar would be pretty lol. Not quite as funny as if Mr Jassim gets his way and takes him to United in some sort of Qatari money laundering enterprise, but the sort of thing that would set either of them both back by a good few years.

Hopefully he gives us the "What approach?" treatment Emery gave us. If we're going to spend daft money, Kane and Messi are right there.

[niko_cee]

Fuck sake.

I have no idea about him, but he sounds to me like more of a competitor for the wide forward roles than the central role Ferguson plays. Ferguson will easily get 30+ games next season [probably more] unless he breaks down physically.

[Baz]

Nestory Irankunda.

[phonics]

Why are the Chelsea fans asking for a right back. That Makuede bloke was their only good player the other night. Looked like he could be an absolute star.

edit: Lol I just looked at the lineups and it turns out he was playing as part of the front 3, Chelsea were just so awful I assumed he must have been playing from right back.

[randomlegend]

Isn't he a winger/attacking midfielder?

[phonics]

See edit, they were pinned back so deep I assumed he must be the right back.

[Lewis]

Didn't Chelsea have a shit hot right-back on loan/buy-back at Southampton?

[randomlegend]

Didn't Chelsea have a shit hot right-back on loan/buy-back at Southampton?

Livramento. Looks like he's only just recovering from an ACL tear which put him out for a year. Ooft.

[Don]

The mention of a Neymar to Utd rumour should the Qatari ownership play out is top-notch. New contract for Starboy Mase, coax Adam Johnson out of retirement and appoint Michael Adebolajo as a remote diversity and inclusion officer and I reckon they'd be there.

[Lofty]

Surely the likes of Messi and Neymar have more money than they'd ever need now? No chance of them going Maradona and making a romantic move to turn a former great club around.

[Don]

Soz, I meant Man Utd not Newscastle.

[Offshore Toon]

Chris Wood aside, we're run too well to sign anybody over 23 for silly money.

[niko_cee]

England midfielder Jude Bellingham reportedly rejected a move from Borussia Dortmund to Manchester City as he did not want to move to a 'plastic club'. (FourFourTwo)

:happycry:

Get over yourself mate. God I hope Madrid go back to being absolute shite again. It's well overdue.

[Gray Fox]

Sadly they've just set their midfield up for 10+ years with signing him, have a good enough CB pairing and Vinicius is a star in the making. They look a bit dodgy at fullback beyond Carvajal and need the Benzema replacement plan to get underway, but I'm sure they wont exactly struggle for signings.

[Offshore Toon]

:happycry:

Get over yourself mate. God I hope Madrid go back to being absolute shite again. It's well overdue.
Legend, if true.

[Danny]

Sadly they've just set their midfield up for 10+ years with signing him, have a good enough CB pairing and Vinicius is a star in the making. They look a bit dodgy at fullback beyond Carvajal and need the Benzema replacement plan to get underway, but I'm sure they wont exactly struggle for signings.

Maybe Benz can hang around long enough to blood Endrick

[Baz]

Imagine Haaland up top for them. :nod:

Saw some clickbait recently saying they’ve got Mbappe lined up and it’s more when than if.

[randomlegend]

Lots of rumours of Kim Min-Jae to United (nothing from great sources as yet) which would be amazing.

He has a release clause of 50m euros active in early July.

[niko_cee]

It's obviously completely unfair, but my internal prejudice has doubts that any South Korean player is worth that sort of money or can be expected to perform in a serious position in a proper league.

Also have the slightly nagging feeling that Napoli have just been on a bit of an Arsenal this season, and when players like Ndombele and Zambo-Anguissa have been tearing it up for them perhaps one needs to take everything with a large pinch of salt in terms of expecting that form to be translatable to different leagues.

Also, whilst United obviously have issues at centre-half, are there not more pressing areas of concern [ie midfield and attack]?

[Raoul Duke]

Park Ji Sung and Heung Min Son have entered the chat

[niko_cee]

You're not having Park Ji Sung ffs, as handy a player as he may have been.

Son, yeah, ok, maybe, but then that's a different market [where Richarlison costs £60m].

[Shindig]

Son's worth that much, although he's really hit the skids this season. Or it could just be that Spurs have been unilaterally shambolic.

[Gray Fox]

Sons problem came when Conte decided he didn't want to use one of the best wide forwards in the league, because he didn't want to play left wing back.

[niko_cee]

And that's why Victor Moses has a Premier League winners medal, and Son doesn't.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Park Ji-Sung has FOUR...

[randomlegend]

Mac Allister to Liverpool appears to be all but done.

[niko_cee]

£80m?

:happycry:

Unless that's one of those figures that Cardiff's lawyers appear to work off.

[Shindig]

Cheap for a World Cup winner.

[randomlegend]

I can't see that figure anywhere but if that's true it's insane.

You'd imagine they won't be forced to sell Caicedo if they've swindled £80m for the Mac Daddy.

[niko_cee]

To be fair, I think the source is pretty dodgy on that [it was just the first thing I saw on google news] but it's going to be an alarmingly high number whatever happens. I don't think financial considerations will be decisive on selling either MacAllister or Caicedo, Brighton will get good money for both but both will go [I think they've probably been promised as much] as long as the offers are there, which they will be.

If you could get both for the cost/wages of a Bellingham then you'd be laughing.

[Lewis]

Is the other one going to whichever out of Arsenal and Chelsea don't get Declan Rice?

[Gray Fox]

If you could get both for the cost/wages of a Bellingham then you'd be laughing.

This is why I don't see it being as high as a guaranteed £80m. The whole point is to get 2/3 in as appose to 1 big signing. If they get Mount, Mac Allister and Ugarte for around £150m, I reckon they'll be happy with that.

[randomlegend]

Fucking Mount :D

[Waffdon]

This is why I don't see it being as high as a guaranteed £80m. The whole point is to get 2/3 in as appose to 1 big signing. If they get Mount, Mac Allister and Ugarte for around £150m, I reckon they'll be happy with that.

Ugarte will be off to Chelsea with Mendes being the biggest factor. The latter is buddy buddy with Boehly.

[Don]

If you don't think Mac Allister is worth £80m you haven't been watching the ginger maestro recently. No biggie as he really does strike as the most mediocre piece of shit to any casual viewer but under Klopp? Jesus :drool:

[niko_cee]

Is the other one going to whichever out of Arsenal and Chelsea don't get Declan Rice?

Probably.

[Gray Fox]

It has been suggested that there is THE SHORTLIST(12 names?) and they're trying to get as many from it as they can. I think Mount will tell Chelsea he wants out and will eventually go for somewhere around £30m.

What becomes interesting is if Ugarte doesn't join then how far down the shortlist do you go before you start considering shite like Rabiot and Tielemans for free.

[niko_cee]

Rabiot would be a terrorist attack against the ownership situation.

I've no idea why no one wants to touch Tielemans with a ten foot barge pole, so I can only assume he comes out very bad with the analysts.

I hope said shortlist also has some defenders on it.

[Max Power]

Klopp isn’t touching Tielemans - he can’t run.

[7om]

In Championship news, it sadly appears that we are on the verge of selling Jobe Bellingham to Sunderland for 3m.

He's played a fair amount for us this season and actually played pretty well for a 17 year old. Calm and composed on the ball with decent passing ability, I think he could turn out to be good. He's nowhere near his brother at the same age, but that was always to be expected. It does strike me as odd that its Sunderland, though. Admittedly there's a few of our old youth coaching staff up there but even so, this feels a bit like a sidewards move for him.

Can't complain too much. If Jude goes for big bucks (and the rumoured 10% transfer clause is true), the Bellingham family may have single-handedly kept us in business.

[niko_cee]

Are they going to retire his shirt as well?

[7om]

Well our new owner is American, so it’s a distinct possibility.

[Lewis]

I think I would rather be the binman brother of a top, top footballer than the crap footballer brother.

[Lofty]

Bit harsh on Phil Neville.

[Gray Fox]

The talk I'm hearing is the Mac Allister deal will be ~£60m in total, he'll be on 100k a week and signed for 5 years.

Sounds like they're just waiting until the season is over before announcing.

I'm expecting anything else Liverpool do to happen quite quickly after. Klopp wants all of the signings done before pre season begins to get everyone on the PEDs properly.

[randomlegend]

Neymar to United rumours starting early this year.

[Danny]

But we have Casemiro this time. So obviously it’s happening :rolleyes:

[Don]

Neymar added into that squad :D

[Raoul Duke]

We already have Antony, Neymar might be overkill

[niko_cee]

Not thaat I know much about Scotch football, but why are Rangers releasing a bunch of [what I would have thought are] their better players? Is it money? Do Kent and Morelos not want to sign on again, or have they just gone to shit? You were looking at 8 figure transfer fees for those two not long ago.

[Waffdon]

Probably a bit of both. Ryan Kent done okay in Europe a few times but is generally very useless.

Probably not worth the bother with Morelos. He’s fat and a bit retarded

[Waffdon]

Mount going to Man Utd for £55m+ would be glorious. Poor RL.

[Baz]

:yn:

Hopefully that prices Liverpool out the picture and we're full steam ahead for Mac Allister and Ugarte.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:sick:

[randomlegend]

Mount going to Man Utd for £55m+ would be glorious. Poor RL.

I will kill myself.

Sami Mokbel is a half-decent journalist as well ffs.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Mase will sell a lot of pot noodles I imagine.

[Lofty]

Barcelona want to re-sign Aubameyang? What?

[Ben]

It’ll involve some kind of financial irregularity surely. The days of a top club signing Aubameyang on ability alone are long gone.

[niko_cee]

'Mase' is quality, although £55m is taking the piss. Does signing him mean you get a better shot at Rice seeing as they're 'besties'.

[Waffdon]

Mount would be really good for Liverpool in that run like fuck role Wijnaldum was great at. Not sure where he’d fit in at Man Utd. A lot of money for a utility player who is currently injury prone as fuck

[Gray Fox]

Mount would be really good for Liverpool in that run like fuck role Wijnaldum was great at.

This is why I'd be happy to have him here. He doesn't need to be amazing, just have a good engine and pass the ball forwards to of the of the forwards or fullbacks.

£55m seems very steep for a player with 1 year left on his deal, but then I guess they know United need the home grown quota filling up.

[niko_cee]

Really? Is that a big deal still?

Would Bellingham fall foul of that rule [whatever it is]? If so, what a bobbins rule.

[Gray Fox]

Jones, Maguire, Greenwood and Butland are all leaving and that's without factoring in outside chances of Shaw, Sancho or Heaton being loaned out or leaving too.

They do need some quota filling signings and also some midfielders. Mount would tick both boxes for them. I'm not saying that's the main reason for them signing him, but it's got to be playing a part.

[Lewis]

They can make it up with squad meat or a back-up 'keeper if it means not wasting all that on Mason Mount.

[Don]

Mount would be a good buy for you, if only to bring some humanity and honesty into that favela community.

[randomlegend]

We're actually going to sign Mount aren't we ffs.

Ten Hag out, useless bald cunt.

[randomlegend]

Looks like PSG might have nicked Ugarte off Liverpool which would cheer me up a bit at least.

[Jimmy Floyd]

When you consider Mount has played every game for years, mostly to a very high level, not had a break at any point (until the last few weeks) and also apparently been the victim of stalking, I'd say there's quite a lot of upside there.

[Kikó]

Is mount better than Mctomminay?

[niko_cee]

Yes.

[Kikó]

Ok I'm sold. Get him signed.

[niko_cee]

Better Mount than Gallagher, who the lucky loser will probably end up signing.

[Kikó]

Gallagher baffles me. He is basically a modern day Robbie Savage.

[randomlegend]

United in for Rice.

No idea where all this money is coming from.

[niko_cee]

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article29933243.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/0_JS296517564.jpg

[randomlegend]

We're don't have much FFP headroom though. I doubt the Sheikh's have got their one-man-in-a-shack billion pounds sponsorship deals setup yet.

[Yevrah]

FFP headroom. :D

[randomlegend]

We genuinely don't, because of our complete inability to sell players and our lack of Man City accounting.

[Waffdon]

Selling McTominay for 20-25m will clear any issues due to being homegrown. If Chelsea get £55m+ for Mount that will give them enough leeway to spend another couple hundred million. Never mind if folk pay for Gallagher and Chalobah

[Yevrah]

We genuinely don't, because of our complete inability to sell players and our lack of Man City accounting.

If Chelsea can get round it by giving players long contracts and there's no adjustment in the FFP assessment to take account of this then the whole thing must have enough holes in it to get around it before you even get to what Man City were doing.

[randomlegend]

If Chelsea can get round it by giving players long contracts and there's no adjustment in the FFP assessment to take account of this then the whole thing must have enough holes in it to get around it before you even get to what Man City were doing.

They've closed that workaround. Fees can now only be amortized over a maximum of five years even if the contract is longer.

[Yevrah]

Find some more. Honestly, that that loophole was even there in the first place and for that long shows how piss poorly thought out the whole thing is. Any accountant worth half of their salt (even one of Jim's management accountants) would have spotted it in seconds. It's serious 101 stuff.
'

[Yevrah]

And while I'm at it, what the fuck are PSG doing? There isn't a cat in hell's chance their 'business model' is sustainable playing in that shithouse league and getting bummed out of the Champions League early doors every season. If the regulations actually worked they'd have been banned from Europe years ago.

[Lofty]

You seem to be forgetting all football's top officials make Big Sam's pint of wine look quaint and think Salt Bae is the best.

[Yevrah]

You seem to be forgetting all football's top officials make Big Sam's pint of wine look quaint and think Salt Bae is the best.

Hang on, I'm the one arguing that it's a load of inconsistent bollocks.

[Lofty]

It sounded more like you were arguing it was incompetent rather than done by design to keep fat old men travelling the from 5 star hotel to 5 star hotel all expenses paid nailing prostitutes 40 years their junior.

[Adramelch]

Livakovic going to Fenerbahce is a bit bizarre

[Lewis]

United in for Rice.

No idea where all this money is coming from.

That would be a much better signing since he could play a bit further forward at United.

[Kikó]

United will be balls deep for Kane and will only get another if we sell. IMO

[niko_cee]

I see they're sneaking a few women's football rumours in at the end of the BBC gossip roundup. Is that a new thing?

[Lofty]

No, it's been complained about here before.

[Lewis]

I still get done by 'Arsenal vs Chelsea LIVE' and it turns out to be a ladies' match.

[Baz]

My father in law watches Soccer Saturday, despite me getting him IPTV on a Firestick for Christmas so could literally watch the only match he cares about (Everton), and I’ve noticed they have women’s scores on the ticker along the bottom. We both agree they should have their own show, if people care that much, and keep their sweet pussies out of the men’s game. Not in as many words, mind.

[Yevrah]

It needs the Men's game to keep it remotely relevant as it's a product that has so little interest compared otherwise.

[Alex]

My father in law watches Soccer Saturday, despite me getting him IPTV on a Firestick for Christmas so could literally watch the only match he cares about (Everton), and I’ve noticed they have women’s scores on the ticker along the bottom. We both agree they should have their own show, if people care that much, and keep their sweet pussies out of the men’s game. Not in as many words, mind.

That's top son-in-lawing that. You can't win with some people.

[Gray Fox]

I see they're sneaking a few women's football rumours in at the end of the BBC gossip roundup. Is that a new thing?

Is it being SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT?

[niko_cee]

Not really but it is a bit tiresome.

[Baz]

Will be interesting to see if this Xavi Simons amounts to anything outside of the Dutch dosser league. His numbers are impressive but his physique is not.

CsypMO_NnjY

[SvN]

Kofi Kingston

[Baz]

Is Kane to United actually a thing? :uhoh:

[niko_cee]

See Liverpool newspaper linked to Milinkovic-Savic. He looked an absolute don a few seasons ago, although I've seen little to nothing of Lazio/him since. Why did he never leave them and is he still any good?