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[Don]

Nevermind BB, BBC have got The Traitors airing 3 episodes a week (Tues-Thurs) which is just a game of Werewolf. You could potentially miss a lot when you don't get access to the full conversations so the fate of the show rests in the editors hands but the cast is actually good. They've got some absolutely pointless challenge element as filler but with 2 kills a day, it should only last about 3 weeks and I'm 2 episodes in and there's already been enough entertainment for it to have me subscribed.

Voting out the one-armed woman for not raising her galss :D


I watched an ep of that the other day, proper guilty pleasure TV. And yes, the first vote out was amazing.


The Traitors is excellent, the amount of people's brains that have melted within days is quality :D


Enjoying it too, they're playing with absolutely zero logic, just throwing shit at the wall.

It was fucking hilarious how long they banged the "BUT THEY LIED TO US" drum for the couple... and yet it took them 2 days to get rid of 1. Also I don't get why Aaron hasn't pointed out that the girl who keeps gunning for him is chatting shit. She keeps accusing him based on the fact "he knew Nikki was innocent and so wanted to appear innocent himself" but not once has anyone pointed out the guy he voted for over Nikki was also innocent... oh well.

Yep, I'm in it for the long haul, the show has serious longevity and potential.

The fact they're all in perpetual meltdown is hilarious, get a fucking grip.

Just watched episode 5:

The bullshit accusations aside, I don't think they've missed anything major yet and without the former, you wouldn't have much of a show for the first few weeks.

Traitors seem very shit at it though, don't look capable at all, they're gonna need to recruit a Rayan or that GP geezer to sort them out.

[7om]

Never heard of it until this thread so I watched episode one and it looks good. I’m in.

[-james-]

Just watched the first two tonight. Pretty good.


Imran is a wee prick. I presume they're going to bring the two who got chucked out at the very start back at some point.

[Browning]

Another thing that really bothered me:

John laying into Aaron telling him "It's just a game" etc only to have his own meltdown when the slightest bit of suspicion came his way despite it being absolutely fuck all compared to what Aaron went through. Glad he's gone now, he was awful.

[Spikey M]

I nominate Mahow.

[Ian]

I nominate Mahow.

:sherlock:

[Lofty]

A lot of them have been on TV before so must have been scouted for this, would explain why everyone keeps bursting into tears and thinking strangers are their best mates after a few days.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Some of them have quite Apprentice-y comportment, others more the early rounds of Masterchef, others still Love Island. A curious mixture.

[7om]

Why is the blonde bird with the pink haired twat? Absolutely baffling.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Just watched the first episode.

Not a big fan of the shitty tasks but other than that it looks good.

lol at the guy being strung along by the hot blonde.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The vote in the second episode is incredible.

The fact that they act that the person is actually getting killed is amazing.

[wullie]

I saw the ads and thought it would be a right load of shit but ended up firing through the old episodes up to last night in one go today. I love Matt just going about crying due to the weight of his blue balls, the old lady I didn't notice was there until the end of the fifth episode and Theo, who I am definite is one of the traitors because I can read people like a book.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've just started on episode 4.

Why not pick Aaron as one of the 3? They could have sown seeds that he was put up by his fellow traitors to try and take the heat away from him. He'd then have a complete mental breakdown and people would be gagging to get rid.

[ScousePig]

My class a couple of years ago actually played werewolf at break times. It was quite entertaining and engaging for them when they played properly.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Just watched episode 6.

I'm stunned that Wilf escaped that vote and I'm even more stunned that Amanda sided with Wilf rather than Alyssa. Neither are good players but Wilf is a complete bag of nerves. In the vote he was basically bouncing off the walls and has form for cracking whenever Maddie has shone suspicion on him.

[Lofty]

I feel like choosing the other option would have solved more problems, also think recruting a replacement is not ideal.

[7om]

Just finished off episode 6

Genuinely surprised that Amanda went with the Alyssa vote. Although she had some people doubting her, she was staying calm and at least capable of looking normal. Wilf’s head had completely gone in the last round table. If that doesn’t ring some alarm bells in some heads then I’ll be shocked. Also, I know it’s easy looking from the outside, but what Wilf did basically screamed of a traitor betraying a traitor. Out of absolutely nowhere he just goes “I want to try something different and puts massive momentum behind the Alyssa train”. Then his breakdown when she announced herself as a traitor.

I think Alex was a good choice to recruit. She’s had the light shined on her, survived it and people seemed to have forgot about her. She’s helped by her cunt boyfriend vouching for her and he himself being a faithful. I really hope she accepts.

[Don]

Imagine thinking some yank shit like Sopranos/Wire was the height of television up until a week ago.

[Shindig]

Ah, C'mon. The height of television is The Scheme.

[ScousePig]

Episode 6:

I'm not sure why Maddy has seemingly cooled all of a sudden on Wilf. She was apologising to him for getting it wrong but she should be honing in on Alyssa's reaction when Wilf made a bee-line for Alyssa. It's easy saying that from here and she might still do that, but her reaction was odd.

Also, if they're going to recruit then Alex seemed the obvious choice, however are they giving her too much power? Bit risky if you ask me.

[Lofty]

Maddy is a swivel eyed loon.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I just love the exaggerated gasps of shock when they vote off a faithful in the early rounds, as if they had done anything except random mud-flinging up to that point and the odds were not massively against them.

(through Ep 3 but it's not spoilers) John is basically why I'm mostly in the closet, imagine being in a demographic category with that old twat. Matt the BMX rider is a glorious example of vacuous pretty boy. They are all so highly strung, it's laughable, this is also why Westminster is a shambles, full of highly strung egos.

[wullie]

They all reply to conversations with "hundred percent" and now I'm just going to really notice it every time. If Wilf isn't related to Daniel Mays he's got a stunt double career waiting for him

[Lofty]

Annoying scheduling for the remaining episodes:

Tuesday, December 13, 9pm (Episode 7)
Thursday, December 15, 9pm (Episode 8)
Friday, December 16, 9pm (Episode 9)
Tuesday, December 20, 9pm (Episode 10)
Wednesday, December 21, 9pm (Episode 11)
Thursday December 22 ,9pm (Episode 12)

[Don]

Only 6 more? Nice.

Why's it annoying? Just because of that Wednesday to Friday change? What's happening on Wed?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Only 6 more? Nice.

Why's it annoying? Just because of that Wednesday to Friday change? What's happening on Wed?

France/Morocco into Repair Shop.

[-james-]

Episode 6 was good, but the show in general struggles with the tasks being shite and most of the working out who is a traitor being random guessing. I don't know how you'd balance it, but the tasks should have more riding on them. Maybe the best performer gets privately told there is a traitor on x team or something.

Agreed on Wilfred being fucking hopeless. It should surely be very obvious that he's a traitor.

[SvN]

The tasks are the worst bit of the show, they don't really fit in anywhere. They'd have been better off if the traitors had to sabotage or something, because then you'd get the fat shit who looks like he's going to throw up every task being lynched instantly.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They (or some of them at least) seem to trigger emotions in people / shape the dynamics a bit. However I'm not convinced that the 'cash prize going upwards' is that compatible with werewolf dynamics, I guess we'll see at the end.

[SvN]

The problem is that if anything, the increasing prize money incentivizes NOT discovering the Traitors, and instead dragging out the game so the money goes up.

[wullie]

I skipped through the tasks mostly when catching up with it, I don't want the part where they're all getting on and hugging and forgetting about their troubles. Breakfast, paranoid arguments, fast forward, round table. Less than 40 mins an episode

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's a bit like the 'professional kitchen' bit in Masterchef, a mild diversion / pace change to see them outside the normal environment but has no impact on the actual contest.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I forgot to mention at the time but I did lol at the magician lad who called himself world class and one of the best in the business at his craft.

He then spent most of his time swaying everyone into thinking a faithful (who was good at the shit tasks) was a guaranteed traitor.

[Lofty]

They should invert the cash dynamic ala Too Hot To Handle (I know you all watch) where they start with £100k to be shared amongst the group but can lose money. So if they fail tasks they lose money, but maybe incentivise it so if a traitor can purposefully fuck a task up on the sly that gets them some kind of bonus.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Episode 7 down:

Bit of a slower episode, I think the task took up too much time this week and there wasn't enough emotional turmoil at the round table. Shocked that no one even thought about mentioning that Wilf might have double bluffed. I'm convinced had someone spoken his name at the round table he'd have shat his guts out for all to see.

Think it's going to be a Traitor win ultimately unless the show throws in some curveballs. I don't think the group will pick up on the obvious Wilf bluff until too late and barring a shot in the dark I can't see them sussing out Amanda as she's played it really well. Maybe if the tasks start getting harder and she doesn't pull her weight in them but there's a lot more deadwood in the show they'd want to eliminate first.

[Browning]

Episode 7 down:

Bit of a slower episode, I think the task took up too much time this week and there wasn't enough emotional turmoil at the round table. Shocked that no one even thought about mentioning that Wilf might have double bluffed. I'm convinced had someone spoken his name at the round table he'd have shat his guts out for all to see.

Think it's going to be a Traitor win ultimately unless the show throws in some curveballs. I don't think the group will pick up on the obvious Wilf bluff until too late and barring a shot in the dark I can't see them sussing out Amanda as she's played it really well. Maybe if the tasks start getting harder and she doesn't pull her weight in them but there's a lot more deadwood in the show they'd want to eliminate first.

I wonder what "Kill in plain sight" means... but that could be the curveball we need.

[7om]

I wonder if it means something like passing the victim an object. They could be at dinner and the challenge could be to pour someone a glass of wine or give them the plate with the most spuds on or something.

I’m quite surprised they haven’t even considered killing Maddy. She’s an absolute live wire with her accusations and people have been swayed by her in the past. They could even play it off as the wolves trying to frame Wilf.

[SvN]

I forgot to mention at the time but I did lol at the magician lad who called himself world class and one of the best in the business at his craft.

He then spent most of his time swaying everyone into thinking a faithful (who was good at the shit tasks) was a guaranteed traitor.

He was such an annoying pleb. "I read people! It's what I do for a living!" You're not Derren Brown mate, you do a few card tricks and pull rabbits out of hats.

[Waffdon]

Amanda has played a blinder so far but I reckon she’ll start believing her own hype and dramatise something a step too far and be caught out.

[Lofty]

Wilf will betray Amanda I reckon.

[Browning]

Surely he knows better than that. She'd eat him alive.

[SvN]

He's an absolute retard.

[Lofty]

Surely he knows better than that. She'd eat him alive.

The bellend randomly says incriminating things all the time, wouldn't trust him with yesterday's paper.

[SvN]

Episode 4 spoilers about the retard.

The way he instantly said to put himself up on trial as a way to make himself look innocent is all you need to know about him. He thinks he's playing 4D chess, but he's struggling with Snakes and Ladders. It did make me laugh during breakfast when the group instantly said "Okay, so one of the 3 is probably a Traitor" and it cut to him looking completely baffled.

[Lofty]

I saw some rumours about him online supposedly from ex-colleagues that he talks a good game but never meets deadlines, changes job frequently.

[Browning]

Imagine turning down 3 grand in that situation….

[Lofty]

She's not the brightest.

[-james-]

She lives in London, that's half a week's rent.

[Waffdon]

Another person crying. Fuck me

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Imagine turning down 3 grand in that situation….

I'm stunned that no one really questioned that she might be a Traitor because of this. Why would a faithful turn down the guaranteed cash, it makes no sense.

Regarding episode 9:

Huge mistake from Amanda, calling Theo her "100%" the night before and then voting him out today. I feel that may come back to bite her when she was pretty much safe as houses before that. Although I am surprised no one called her out on it when she started sowing seeds earlier in the day.

Also lol at Wilf thinking about stabbing Amanda in the back. Who could have seen that coming? Just look at the twat sowing seeds at breakfast.

[Lofty]

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Kieran went to Wayne Linekar's 60th :D

[Lofty]

Top, top television.

[Don]

:rasta:


Kieran won't get donned so easily though and he was driving the Amanda bandwagon just as much so I think he's messed up there. If you needed male bait just pick Aaron, the cutie, and watch him explode.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Knew Wilf would turn on Amanda as soon as he had an opportunity which is why Amanda really should have voted him out instead of Alyssa.

I think Wilf has fucked it though, he probably could have gotten the group to hold off on killing Amanda until the next roundtable which would increase his chances of winning a lot.

Amanda made two giant cockups though (voting Alyssa and then voting Theo right after claiming he was her 100%) and it allowed the snake to strike.

In two minds about the Kieran choice though, I think he would be able to survive until the end especially as he and Wilf also have Hannah on their side too but he could easily say no and he wont allow Wilf to stab him in the back.

I think he'd have been better picking someone who is more likely to be killed at the roundtable like Aaron. Maddy would also be good if she was smart enough to still keep beating the Aaron/Wilf drum but I don't know if she'd have that in her.

[Waffdon]

Unless I’m missing something, there’s two episodes left and it seems ridiculously in favour of the traitors

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Wilf is such a twat.

The build up to that roundtable was incredible. Think it's a Traitors win easily because I can't see Hannah (I'm going to fucking love it when she finds out Wilf was a traitor all along, and not just to the faithful) and Meryl voting out Wilf.

I assume they'll vote out Aaron and then Kieran for good measure before leaving it at the above three and then seeing Hannah and Meryl shit a fucking brick when Wilf takes the cash.

[wullie]

When they say that someone is 100% trustworthy for definite and I love them 100% and would trust them with my life 110% is it just that it's so easy to get lost in the world they've created and forget it's a game or did they just get a load of thick fuckers in?

[Shindig]

On the one hand, I can't help but think the producers are sticking their oar in. On the other hand, all those 'I believe this is blue!' wankers from Deal or No Deal are 100% genuine melts.

I have no trust in the British public to remain sensible in any game show circumstance.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

General public are just thick.

[Don]

Is tomorrow the final episode or not?

Even if you were to completely set aside that the 3 that are left are thicker than my erection, I don't see how traitor(s) don't win from here from just a sheer mathematical perspective. They really should have disclosed that the traitors had recruited.

Given the above as well as the fact both were on the precipice in that last round, the 2 traitors should just go for eachother and look to end the game for the full ~£90K rather than ease their way into halving it. Would still fancy Kieran over Willy.

I just want to see Aaron win :(

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Tomorrow is the final episode.

At the roundtable they vote until they think there are no more traitors. They know that there is at least 1 traitor.

[Waffdon]

Being able to recruit with 2 days left was utterly stupid. It couldn’t be anymore in favour of the traitors

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Which made it mental that Wilf was trying to sow seeds against Kieran.

[Waffdon]

He’s played a blinder tbf. Going to bin off three of his mates and pocket everything for himself

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm still stunned he made it this far after he wobbled so hard in the early roundtables. Dude looked guilty as fuck when bouncing off the walls.

Since then though, yeah he's been very good.

Can't see how he gets voted out unless Kieran really sticks the boot in deep but even then I can't see Hannah and Meryl voting him out.

[wullie]

For the next series the prize tasks need some element of sabotage on the part of the traitors, Claudia wryly asking them 'how much do you trust each other?' before it not being a factor at all seems a waste of time.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

lol at Claudia saying the last money stash is really hard and it's just a simple riddle.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Wilf sharpening his knife.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Kieran :cool:

[Lofty]

Kieran going full Bruhnaldo.

[Jimmy Floyd]

lol at Claudia saying the last money stash is really hard and it's just a simple riddle.

I'm missing The Mole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mole_(British_TV_series)) where the tasks were things like 'Leave the island in 2 hours without getting wet', or 'One of you teach another one to play golf inside 3 hours'.

And in which the mole would (when he could get away with it) sabotage the tasks.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Kieran going full Bruhnaldo.

He did drop BIG hints that Wilf is a traitor though, no idea if the others are smart enough to have picked up on it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Not sure what I'd want more, for Wilf to be voted out and for him to completely unravel or for him to win and Hannah to explode.

[Lofty]

Note to Boydy, next werewolf you have to live stream the vote results using colour coded firelighters.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I need a season 2.

[wullie]

Kieran burning the place to the ground on his way out was great. Credit to Wilf for flying under the radar so much people still didn't know what his actual name was in the last episode

[Waffdon]

Yeah, fair play to Kieran. He donned that prick.

Wilf pretending he was happy he got voted out was the most cringeworthy thing I’ve seen in a while. They all lapped it up as well.

[ScousePig]

He probably just wanted them to feel sorry for him and split the money.

[Don]

It's an extremely flawed show but I haven't been that gripped since 11 year-old me watched Nasty Nick be born.

The midget is foul.

[Waffdon]

Yeah, utter travesty she won money. Absolutely pointless person who just copied others at every turn

[The Merse]

Superb stuff. Had my doubts about Werewolf TV, and even moreso seeing the morons playing it but like Apprentice et al, they’ve made it more compelling than it really should be.

Tbh, I felt Wilf should have chosen to banish again throw them off, and hope only 1 or 2 voted to not banish and hone in on them.

[John Arne]

I saw the trailer for this and everybody involved looked like complete twats.

Is it actually good then?

[Lofty]

Top tier television but if you have read this thread you've probably already ruined it for yourself.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Good might be a stretch, but it's highly entertaining.

[wullie]

Hannah was terrible and I was hoping for her reaction when Wilf walked off with the cash but her line about an ultimatum having no trust was a cracker.

[-james-]

Yeah the finale was very good. I'm pretty sure Kieran's stunt would've been not allowed as a basic rule of the show but I doubt the producers minded too much.

Glad Aaron won anyway.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think as long as he didn't actually say Wilf is a traitor it was all good.

Because he'd have to ensure that the group got the hint and that they'd then act on it as a group.

[Lofty]

I reckon there will be rules revisions on the back of it for next series, I note he didn't get a little speech when he was banished like the rest.

[-james-]

I think as long as he didn't actually say Wilf is a traitor it was all good.

Because he'd have to ensure that the group got the hint and that they'd then act on it as a group.

He couldn't have made it any more obvious really. He also clearly saw it coming, so why didn't he take Wilf to one side pre-round table and go "look, I'm taking you down with me if you go after me"?

[Browning]

I'll be honest, I didn't think he'd made it obvious enough when you considered how blinkered Meryl and Hannah were in their belief that "We trust Wilf 100%, with our life!" world view. I still half expected them to fuck it until the ultimatum line. Wilf's little meltdown made it more obvious than anything Kieran said, but they seemed to buy that. A real faithful would have just said "What a cunt" and left it there.

The format really didn't lend themselves to risking it. Had Wilf been faithful, I'd have cried myself to sleep while hugging my extra 8 grand.

[Don]

May possibly just have been seething too much. He was basically being bullied in those last few hours by everyone else, easy to see why red mist would descend and you'd just be out to destroy Wilf after that.

If he wanted the full jackpot, Wilf could never be the one driving the Kieran bandwagon, he needed to sit on the fence between him and Aaron to enable him to not vote for Kieran and therefore remain in the game when Kieran got killed off. Ultimately, the fact Aaron and the midget had made it clear they were too thick to be able to be traitors made it very difficult for traitors so lol at them keeping them in till the end.

Agree with Wullie on Hannah's line about trust, that was a proper moment.

[Dquincy]

Tried the first episode. It's complete shit. How you can watch this is beyond me.

[Lofty]

The first episode really isn't a barometer of the series, it's when they have been there two days and are all crying and being thick it comes into it's own.

[Browning]

They're doing a series with Americans but still set in the same castle. The trailer seems to imply it's all the same tasks as our series. Starts in a couple of weeks on "peacock".

Seems a bunch of them are from other reality shows though (even more so than the handful we had over here) which could be annoying.

[Lofty]

They did an Aussie one where the traitors met their victims in person.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They're doing a series with Americans but still set in the same castle. The trailer seems to imply it's all the same tasks as our series. Starts in a couple of weeks on "peacock".

Seems a bunch of them are from other reality shows though (even more so than the handful we had over here) which could be annoying.

It also seems that Ryan Lochte, multiple time Olympic gold medal winner, will be a contestant too.

He must have fallen on hard times if he needs the cash.

[Waffdon]

The ending of the American one :lol:

no idea how the bloke could just leave the game without being voted though. Made it even funnier that the two faithfuls didn’t clock on though.

[Shindig]

It also seems that Ryan Lochte, multiple time Olympic gold medal winner, will be a contestant too.

He must have fallen on hard times if he needs the cash.

Was he one of the ones that tried to bullshit the Brazilian police during Rio?

[Lofty]

New series on BBC One now if you don't care about darts.

[Don]

Watched the first 2 episodes, no action of note and they've seemingly done fuck all to change any of it. It's a winning formula though so meh. Obviously would be nice if it wasn't aimed at thickos with all the dramatic music and pointless suspense editing and instead they filled it with dialogue between contestants though.

[ScousePig]

I think adding the immunity shields to the tasks might be new, but the tasks do just seem like filler to me.

The wolves need to start accusing each other publicly a little more.

[Lofty]

I am not arsed about the tasks though the idea of putting shields available at expense of the task is interesting given some of the absolute melts who beeline for them, pissing everyone else off.

[Don]

That Kyra especially is a fucking hideous creature. I wouldn't want to upset Kiko and suggest there's some sort of cultural/generational trauma explanation that goes towards creating such people but she really doesn't help break down racial caricatures.

Keep the thread updated if Charlotte nudes are made available though :drool:

[Waffdon]

That Diane is a right gilf/guilty pleasure. No idea if it’s the accent or the coldness of her persona.

[Ian]

I watched episode 1 of this (series 2 that is) the other day having not seen any series 1. Was this an American TV show first because the pacing of it feels that way. 80% explaining what's happening later and reiterating what just happened and about 20% of actual stuff but not sure if that's just because it's the first episode of a new series. I'll give it at least another couple and see how I get on.

[niko_cee]

I'm pretty sure it was a UK original, and has been exported since. Isn't it just boring werewolf for retards where you already know everything?

[Waffdon]

The American one was unwatchable because my fellow Carnoustie High representative in Alan Cummings was fucking dreadful. At least you can sort of ignore the tango lady

[Don]

Watch series 1, it starts superbly.

[Ian]

I'm pretty sure it was a UK original, and has been exported since. Isn't it just boring werewolf for retards where you already know everything?

Yeah I actually wondered if they were gonna have bits where they told you to look away so you could avoid knowing who the wolves are if you want but clearly the show, as the title might suggest I guess, is really about them.

If episode 2 sees it going the way TTH Werewolf does where you get insta-gibbed if you make the mistake of trying to actually play the game then we'll see what happens.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The mechanics of the show are really good, it's just ruined by producers who make it far too accessible. The stupid should not be welcomed into the televisual fold.

[Lofty]

The stupid rule, the same way they are complaining about the new series of Jeopardy! Having actually hard questions.

Tonight's episode ramped up somewhat.

[Don]

Episode 3 was top class. The Dianne/Ross banter and Zack's reaction at Brian's meltdown :D

[The Merse]

Aye, Eps 1 & 2 were a bit of a snooze, but this one was a banger. Brian’s meltdown was the most TTH Werewolf thing I’ve seen on it to date.

[Lofty]

That is where the tasks actually worked this time, when he was unanimously voted a sheep by the rest of the group in the task his brain broke.

[SvN]

Up to date now, what the hell happened to Brian? Agreed with Merse, genuinely reminiscent of TTH Werewolf.

I thought the Army wolf was a retard at the start, but I think he's playing it well so far. He could go far.

[Lofty]

I think everyone thinking you are a retard can help, even more so if you are one. Last season the thickest player won because everyone knew they weren't a threat.

[Ian]

Big fan of them ending last night's episode on a cliffhanger for a thing we already know.


That is where the tasks actually worked this time, when he was unanimously voted a sheep by the rest of the group in the task his brain broke.

It really did, as evidenced by him saying I think 430 times that he wasn't taking it personally.

"Oh yeah? Well would a sheep do THIS?"
* has nervous break down on prime time TV *

[SvN]

Ash voluntarily going into the dungeon yesterday was probably the most retarded tactical move I've seen on the show so far.

[The Merse]

The other half has started watching Series 1.

It’s only on repeat viewing of the first couple of eps that I’ve appreciated how much less of an annoying bunch this are (fantastically free of fucking magicians and influencers) and also how much better this bunch (mainly the wolves) are at the game, presumably simply by dint of having watched series 1 themselves.

[Don]

Yeah, it's a good bunch, not one detestable figure left (Jasmine being the closest). Paul is too hot to last the course but the other boys are doing decent.

[niko_cee]

Having been subjected to a few nights of this I feel it would be better if you didn't know who the wolves were. Obviously it's all editing, and they have stupid things like that chalice business, but it would be more interesting if it wasn't just getting annoyed at jump cut mongs.

[The Merse]

Yeah, it's a good bunch, not one detestable figure left (Jasmine being the closest). Paul is too hot to last the course but the other boys are doing decent.

Fucking staggered he survived that prisoner stunt. Deserved to go for the arrogance.

Harry’s stepped the fuck up, mind. Right cunning lil’ rascal - definitely not the idiot I assumed he’d be.

[The Merse]

Having been subjected to a few nights of this I feel it would be better if you didn't know who the wolves were. Obviously it's all editing, and they have stupid things like that chalice business, but it would be more interesting if it wasn't just getting annoyed at jump cut mongs.

Very much so, but I guess it would just be too much for those viewers with no idea of the concept of social deduction games. I’m guessing they did a hell of a lot of proof of concept prior to series 1 at least.

[-james-]

Yeah this season seems much better than the first one already. Feels like there's a lot less (still plenty, mind) names being randomly chucked about because nobody has the faintest clue.

[-james-]

How good is Charlotte btw. Thick as shit as well so probably makes it to the end.

[Lofty]

This task is epic.

[-james-]

Yep, fantastic.

[wullie]

Hopefully they've invited the guy whose mum they just killed for a laugh.

[Don]

Great episode but harsh on Miles to play out the poisoning like that.

Just when you think Harry is doing bits, he goes and convinces Paul to recruit.

[Lofty]

Recruiting anyone is daft when they get in the chamber and realise these two have stitched the last two traitors up.

[-james-]

Getting a traitor banished and then recruiting another is just so dumb. At best it's 8 vs 3 or potentially 9 vs 2 if they reject, which seems quite possible. Banish and murder a faithful and it's guaranteed 7 vs 3.

[Lofty]

These lot are thick too, they keep crying about how the traitors are offing all the strong faithfuls but never question how their defacto leader and Traitor hunter extrordinaire Paul emerges each morning unscathed.

[Ian]

Yeah Paul regularly escaping scrutiny other than one or two people at a time because he's mates with everyone is impressively dim.

There's literally not a compelling reason you'd keep him alive if he was a goodie and get nobody's prepared to discuss that or even ask the question properly.

[-james-]

It should have been clear as day after they were forced to kill Meg. She was next in line to get voted out but the traitors have decided to kill her over Paul? Alright.

[Browning]

The few that have clocked on don’t appear to be strong enough personalities to really turn the tide against Paul.

I am not sure I’ll be able to handle it if Ross is recruited today and then starts banging on about what a great game Paul is playing because he didn’t suspect him at all.

[Lofty]

Ideally Ross is recruited but doesn't mention Diane was his mum and starts trying to fuck the other two over, could be quite fun.

[7om]

Jaz seems to be the only one capable of critical thinking.

Harry running off to Paul and telling him about the private conversation he had with Jaz should be enough to incriminate them both. He just needs to start stirring the shit and pounce before the traitors knife him.

[Don]

I thought Jaz seemed sharp until he threw the rose in the bird's coffin who was the correct answer to the question they got wrong (by selecting Diane) and then voting Andrew at the roundtable :cab:

[wullie]

I could be giving Jaz too much credit but it seems like he knows who is who but doesn't want them thinking he's on to them so is playing dumb until there's a point other people might be pointing the finger as well.

[niko_cee]

Do they usually do the recruiting thing? Feels like it could be made more fun, like the originals not knowing whether the new one has accepted or not [assuming you can refuse and not die].

[Lofty]

Yes they did recruit last series.

I think playing as a lone traitor is probably the best if you are in Harry's position where they all think you're legit. Just play the game as a headless chicken like the rest of them.

Literally every traitor killed in this game was caught because the traitors turned on them, without that I doubt they'd have one.

[Don]

Harry's let the power and acclaim get to his head. It's seeing things like that that make this such a great show.

I'd agree with Lofty, you're getting very little help from traitors until maybe the real final rounds so just chance it and go it alone, especially if you have the charm of a Harry. The Frankenstein, not so much.

[niko_cee]

Wait, they can just keep recruiting forever? I know they have to fill the schedule but is there any point in this game from the town's perspective?

[Lofty]

Presumably the traitors dont want to split the money too many ways which is why they keep offing each other.

[-james-]

Wait, they can just keep recruiting forever? I know they have to fill the schedule but is there any point in this game from the town's perspective?

You always have the option of recruiting when there's two traitors left I think.

It does feel like it's pretty hard for the faithful to win at this stage though yeah.

[Dquincy]

Someone described this programme to me as a 1 hour show where you get 15 minutes of something interesting, but the other 45 is filler/dross.

[Ian]

I'm glad Paul is out, the smug cunt.

I'm sure they're goaded into it to some extent by the production crew but I just fucking hate when normos get on TV, do something moderately competent and think they're hot shit.

"Well, I've outwitted some actual idiots twice now which has really made me realise I'm humanity's greatest hero, all my dreams will come true, history will remember my deeds and I'm never gonna die."

Fuck off you ginger twat.


Someone described this programme to me as a 1 hour show where you get 15 minutes of something interesting, but the other 45 is filler/dross.

They sound incredibly insightful and handsome. (https://www.thethirdhalf.co.uk/showthread.php?3093-The-Traitors-Sponsored-by-your-mum&p=625539&viewfull=1#post625539)

[wullie]

Harry's speedily taken over from Paul in that regard, he's gone from 90s boy band scamp to king stink but he's surrounded himself with traitors who listen to him boast of offing both traitors and their mothers. Hoist with his own petard before the last episode, surely.

[Ian]

Yeah Harry has become nearly as smug as Paul. And seems to think Andrew is totally oblivious to what he's likely to be up to.

[Waffdon]

All set up for the meat head to win with ease after they only recruited him to be the fall guy lol.

Harry has been good but him admitting he happily killed off 3 other Traitors was a bit dumb

[Ian]

Did he say that to Andrew? Thought he'd only said that to camera.

It's also super dull these twats pretending they're dealing with actual deaths.

"lol is we sycos cos we dont care bout murders now lol?"

Fuck off.

[Waffdon]

He said it when Diane’s son was recruited I’m sure

[Ian]

Diane's son recruited?

Which of us is losing our mind here, Waff?

[Waffdon]

Have you not watched Fridays episode?

:happycry:

[Ian]

Oh, I didn't finish Friday's it turns out. :D

[Ian]

Right having caught up I see what you mean and yeah, given he already knew Andrew was suspicious of him it's pretty stupid to keep blabbing his 'Evel Knievel' plan.

[Lofty]

Yeah his age showing a bit telling them 'I put three traitors in the ground lol', you realise you need these two on your side for it to be 3v3? Apparently if it's only traitors left the game changes into a goldenballs split steal finale.

[niko_cee]

Wait, to share or to shaft?

[Waffdon]

Yeah his age showing a bit telling them 'I put three traitors in the ground lol', you realise you need these two on your side for it to be 3v3? Apparently if it's only traitors left the game changes into a goldenballs split steal finale.

If that’s true then that’s pretty shitty. Especially after last year when Wilf only lost because Kieran literally said he was a wolf and got away with it

[Lofty]

I am not certain but people who have watched the international versions reckon that's what happens.

[-james-]

That was disappointing. Hard to see how Harry doesn't walk it from here.

[Don]

Israel killing thousands of little kids whilst being supported by your government is bad but I'd love to see the even greater magnitude of protests on the nation's streets if Harry wins this.

Went perfectly for him which made it a dull af episode and I presume he's got Zack killed off to theoretically solidify the Jasmine votes. The pivot to Andrew is easily done with the Ross argument but surely it can't all go to plan. Did Andrew not say he knew about the medal? If that can be corroborated then he could out Harry. Hopefully Mollie summons a second braincell from somewhere and goes after Andrew instead of listening to her crush.

[niko_cee]

The ability to turn/recruit people makes this so dull. I suppose that plank Ross could have refused [could he?] which would have made a lot more sense but he didn't as he, like most of them, is functionally retarded.

You just get the investigator brain cells going "I knew it all along" when the day 1 baddie gets bopped.

Game really needs a seer.

[SvN]

Was quite annoying watching smug Zack get it right, but for the wrong reasons. He thinks he's a genius.

Ross also made a right hash of that. His only hope was to go balls deep with the theory of a recruitment rather than a failed murder. He floated it once then gave up.

[Lofty]

Ross had one card to play, his mum, and he didn't. He could've had dropped that bomb at Breakfast and made the point that he wouldn't have killed off his mum.

Zack is annoying but he is at least enjoying the game, clowns like Jasmine take it personally and get personal with their insults then wonder why being aggressive is getting them votes.

There are a few problems with the format I expect them to tweak in the next series (applications open now if you fancy it) the main one being any faithful with initiative is quickly dispatched whilst the thickos coast to the final.

[SvN]

I think there needs to be other protection methods beyond the shield, similar to the doctor in Werewolf.

[Ian]

There was an enormous amount of seethe on last night's episode.

They do definitely need to give the faithfuls more to work on though as this vibes based shit is just annoying. I've found this diverting enough to stick on and turn my brain off but not sure I'll bother with another series.

[Don]

Ross had one card to play, his mum, and he didn't. He could've had dropped that bomb at Breakfast and made the point that he wouldn't have killed off his mum.

This is a point I'd missed, if they in hone on it, it'll point to a recent recruitment and Harry (and Andrew) will be done for.

[wullie]

If Ross had let it slip about his mum being in it I don't think it would have helped him it'd just have been another lie that he was hiding so what else isn't he telling us and all that bollocks. Like the girl last time not telling everyone she was a corpse in Holby City once because one hundred percent a top flight actor would definitely be a traitor, one hundred percent.

I wonder if they could incorporate something into the tasks where failure due to sabotage siphons money off to a special traitors pot so the tasks feel more part of the full game rather than them cutting away to It's A Knockout for 15 mins of each episode.

[Ian]

I wonder if they could incorporate something into the tasks where failure due to sabotage siphons money off to a special traitors pot so the tasks feel more part of the full game rather than them cutting away to It's A Knockout for 15 mins of each episode.

Something like this would be a big improvement. Something they can be actively caught out doing.

[Don]

If Ross had let it slip about his mum being in it I don't think it would have helped him it'd just have been another lie that he was hiding so what else isn't he telling us and all that bollocks. Like the girl last time not telling everyone she was a corpse in Holby City once because one hundred percent a top flight actor would definitely be a traitor, one hundred percent.

I wonder if they could incorporate something into the tasks where failure due to sabotage siphons money off to a special traitors pot so the tasks feel more part of the full game rather than them cutting away to It's A Knockout for 15 mins of each episode.

:D

lll

[CJay]

If they knock off Evie first at tomorrow’s round table do the traitors win as it’s 2v2?

[Ian]

Think she said they keep voting until they're all agreed no traitors are left but if any traitors are left its them who win.

If Jaz really is suspicious of Harry I think he's left it too late to do anything about it, none of them seem to have it in them to query why he's both never been under any scrutiny in the round table but hasn't been bumped off.... aside from the one time they reckon they conveniently tried to shank hin when he had a shield.

[CJay]

Ignore my comment anyway, Harry is 100% turning on Andrew to take the money for himself if he has the opportunity.

[Don]

Harry should really just keep Mollie on Andrew and get Evie or Jaz on board, Andrew goes and they all should end the game. If Evie goes it gets a bit messy with the 2v2 as Mollie and Harry will go Andrew, and Jaz and Andrew can go Harry and possibly sway Mollie. Not sure what happens if they keep having a 2-2 draw.

[SvN]

I don't see any scenario where Mollie votes for Harry. I can't wait to see her face when it's just her and Harry left at the end.

[-james-]

For FUCKS sake.

[wullie]

I didn't want Harry to win but when she voted for the one person who wanted to vote again, fucking hell.

[-james-]

"It's not you is it?" as they're voting to win 95 grand :moop:

[Don]

That was an unexpected extra round, big up Jas for keeping his dignity but brother, we're still about 20 years off your brown ass being looked on as an equal human being to these white sisters. If she'd gone with who she actually thought was likelier to be a faithful he would have won but instead she went for whose sausage she wanted a go on. And why the fuck did Andrew (or any of the other 2) not throw out the shield situation, that would have killed off Harry instantly ffs.

[Don]

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[Ian]

Could be editing making him look worse but a few times through the show Jaz had the right questions for traitors but then didn't say them when actually at the round table. Also that episode was even more full of filler than the others.

[niko_cee]

He played the game well, but perhaps sensibly thought there was no real hope in persuading the myriad retards who were all irrevocably beholden to Paul, what that the ginger guy, and Harry. He actually completely nailed it as there was no logical reason for him to have done that last re-vote thing if he was a baddie, but half a brain cell and several disabilities let him down.

[Lofty]

Could be editing making him look worse but a few times through the show Jaz had the right questions for traitors but then didn't say them when actually at the round table. Also that episode was even more full of filler than the others.

If he had asked any of those questions at the round table he'd have been bumped off ages before the final.

[Ian]

If he wanted to keep his head down he could still have brought it up during the final, when he talked sense about Harry but only to the camera. Or at least he only talked it through to the camera, then half-arsed it in the room.

[Waffdon]

Forgot Ian left the forum, the massive flange.

Anyway, that seer role completely ruined the last episode

[niko_cee]

Yeah, although I think it peaked last year. No one is going to solo the wolf role so well as that guy did. ;)

[Lofty]

Yes The Seer felt introduced by producers to tilt the game their preferred way, which was even more irritating because the worst player won.

[niko_cee]

I don't really like most aspects of the format. The non-recruiting was probably the most interesting thing that happened. The recruit or die and then also get to kill feels like it is production/series length driven and is grossly unfair to the town, but, at the same time it is very hard for the bad guys to win as human nature always drives it down to a head to head. Using the seer, not revealing their identites all felt like the hidden hand steering the ship and, as you say, towards an outcome where the worst person won. I understand the 5d chess move with the final recruitment and failure to kill, but I'm not convinced it's ever in the interests of the traitors to not kill. Also, I wasn't particularly paying attention, but how many men did they lynch before never realising literally every woman the town killed was a traitor?

[wullie]

I think if nothing else they should make the red/green thing anonymous, until it's whittled down like this one where the game has to stop anyone voting to end the game will be automatically under suspicion.

[niko_cee]

I rather assumed when Claudia was collecting the pouches off if them that it would be anonymised, as it wasn't why are they not allowed to just chuck them in themselves?

I think my biggest bugbear of the whole thing was the "I'm voting for yourself" contagion which seemed to spread like wildfire. Why do people say that? Is it to sound cleverererer? I see there is already extensive online discourse in the subject.

[niko_cee]

My wife has been put on to the US version now. Why does Alan Cumming, an actual Scotchman, talk like Mike Myers in Austin Powers/Shrek? It's the sort of accent that would justify genocide.

[Browning]

The whole pretending to kill Leanne thing should have been the end of the series, before the Seer even turned up. If the players are aware of the rules of the game (e.g. that even if they do recruit that late they still get a murder) then Leanne was 100% confirmed as a faithful and became the winner and king maker on the spot. If the players aren't aware of the rules, what's the fucking point?

The format is largely wank though. Getting to recruit all the fucking time makes most of the game redundant. Great TV, but shit rules.

[Browning]

My wife has been put on to the US version now. Why does Alan Cumming, an actual Scotchman, talk like Mike Myers in Austin Powers/Shrek? It's the sort of accent that would justify genocide.

The US Seasons are alright, but the Australian ones are better. Australia S1 is probably the best series I've ever seen and Australia 2 is so shit it's impressive.