The Advent of AI

[Lofty]

Do you fear the advent of AI or look forward to it? It seems to be precariously close now, the AI art generators are producing exceptional images (and now starting on videos), Deepmind can answer questions on videos shown, scientists have got them smelling and tasting things and apparently they are learning things they weren't programmed to learn.

Is your job replaceable? Would it bother you if AI encroached on your life in other ways?

[Spikey M]

I've just got a standard dairymilk advent.

[Bam]

Remove your tin foil hat. :drink:

[Ben]

:D

[Kikó]

A lot of the work we do should or will go towards predictive modelling once the regulators are comfortable. This (https://www.altfi.com/article/10001_neobank-bunq-wins-case-against-dutch-central-bank-over-artificial-intelligence-use) could be a huge breakthrough in normalising it. I don't think it necessarily removes me out of a job but it may lead to smaller teams.

[Spikey M]

Remove your tin foil hat. :drink:

They're not really hats, they just stop the chocolate from falling out.

[Shindig]

My role's changed a lot around automation. Inevitably, they find other stuff for us to do and we are dealing with the automated tasks when the AI inevitably shits the bed. AI doesn't like change. If the DWP decide to change a form, the machine learning can't adjust.

[Lofty]

The automated systems we use at our spot are gash too but I think we are comparing Vauxhall Tigras to Bugatti Veyrons in that instance.

[Spikey M]

My work have only just integrated a system that allows me to send text messages to people. Cutting edge stuff, but I think I'm relatively safe from the robots.

[Jimmy Floyd]

In cutting edge industries maybe this will happen, but I think sometimes it's underestimated just how much of the world is still decidedly analogue.

[randomlegend]

I imagine I'll be largely replaced by a AI/robot eventually.

[Shindig]

Nah, medicine's going to be safe from some of that. AI can't give an opinion.

[Lofty]

Supposedly it can smell Parkinsons. It might not be able to recreate the authentic experience of a GP typing your symptoms into the NHS version of google and telling you the result.

[Lewis]

I imagine I'll be largely replaced by a AI/robot eventually.

https://letmegooglethat.com/

[randomlegend]

https://letmegooglethat.com/

I google stuff at work all the time.

I don't pretend to know everything about every condition I might ever encounter. I do (pretend to) know how to google better than the patient.

[Adramelch]

That's the actual description of a lot of jobs nowadays.

[-james-]

ChatGPT is fucking nuts. The first two things that come to mind as probably obsolete are STEM degrees and Google, but I'm sure there are plenty more.

[Boydy]

ChatGPT is fucking nuts. The first two things that come to mind as probably obsolete are STEM degrees and Google, but I'm sure there are plenty more.

No.

1599254361657716737

[Kikó]

It's very good at pretending to be smart but is actually a complete bluffer. Basically perfect.

[Giggles]

Exactly. Like most people then.

[-james-]

I've been using it for (fairly basic) coding stuff this week and it's very good. Obviously it's not perfect but it speeds everything up massively.

[Boydy]

I've been using it for (fairly basic) coding stuff this week and it's very good. Obviously it's not perfect but it speeds everything up massively.

What have you been doing with it?

[Don]

Read about this the other day and almost blew my load. Bring on the anarchy :drool:


No.

1599254361657716737

It's been easily resolved in the replies.

[Yevrah]

I was pissing around on that last night and quickly realised it could do 90% of my work email responses for me, including some fairly technical ones. You'd need a human to be on hand to ensure goofs like the above don't happen, but it's goodbye to having to Google anything again and then pull your own reply together from what you find.

[-james-]

What have you been doing with it?

Been learning some web dev stuff recently. Basically just have to enter a couple of prompts and be done in 5 minutes rather than spend however long pissing about on stack overflow to figure out how to do something.

[Baz]

Even with those two [vague] examples, I just don’t understand a viable use-case.

[Pepe]

https://i.redd.it/jivgf8p4cbc91.png

[-james-]

Even with those two [vague] examples, I just don’t understand a viable use-case.

Need a complex SQL query but don't know SQL? You can spend two days figuring it out or you can have your AI do it for you in about five minutes.

Anyone can write code to a basic level now. For people that can already write code, things that take hours/days will take minutes.

[Shindig]

That sounds like a slippery slope to a generation of thick programmers.

[-james-]

Yeah, I think the training data is just stack overflow and the like, so it'll be interesting to see what happens if that dries up.

[SvN]

That bat and ball one took me 5 minutes to understand why it was wrong.

[Adramelch]

Which is surprisingly the one that you'd expect it to get right. The other two have some logic behind it, but that one is just a basic math problem that translates quite easily to a basic program no?

Edit: Although I guess the other two are basic math as well, just maybe a bit more text-based in their description? I don't know.

[Lofty]

Yeah the first one is a classic heuristic example from Daniel Kahneman's 'Thinking, Fast and Slow' about how our brains are susceptible to failing to properly digest information when the answer appears simple. Crazy it fell into the same trap, though that means it is still as clever as many humans :D

[randomlegend]

How long do you reckon til it replaces Twitter in providing you with your football opinions, James?

[phonics]

StackOverflow has banned ChatGPT code because it’s so horrifically bad at it.

[Pepe]

Current capabilities of *insert flavor of the week 'AI' here*. What is remarkable is the rate at which they have improved.

[Lewis]

Absolutely no chance AI replaces me. Plus I'm a first aider (lol) now so good luck with some Tamagotchi getting your burn under the tap.

[Pepe]

Baz should be gold then.

[Pepe]

There is no way I am replaced either. There are hundreds of years old tools that can do my job better than me, yet here we are.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Until South American mechanics stop being illiterate morons, I too am safe.

[Ben]

I think I'm replaceable eventually, but by then we will have entered a socialist utopia so I won't have to worry about a thing.

:eyemouth:

[Giggles]

If half the mongs in my job are still employed then I'll surely see it out.

[Kikó]

StackOverflow has banned ChatGPT code because it’s so horrifically bad at it.

Was going to mention this. I think it has its uses from a coding starting point but you still need to know why it's wrong and the vulnerabilities you're introducing.

[John Arne]

Hmmm..
https://gyazo.com/84bdfdaeae540ebc2a55e8c6e99bc486.jpeg

[Spikey M]

It's wrong, but only because you lied to it in the first place.

[John Arne]

Shit in, shit out.

[Boydy]

Was going to mention this. I think it has its uses from a coding starting point but you still need to know why it's wrong and the vulnerabilities you're introducing.

You don't need ChatGPT to write code anyway, you can just use Github Copilot that's been trained on (and sometimes spits out) other people's licensed code and will chuck other people's private keys at you.

:eyemouth:

[-james-]

StackOverflow has banned ChatGPT code because it’s so horrifically bad at it.

That's more a human problem than a ChatGPT problem. People are excited to use the new toy to look smart on the internet without actually checking it's doing what it's meant to. It usually takes a few goes to refine the prompt to get it to do what you want.

[Giggles]

Why does it need my mobile number to use it?

[Ben]

That sweet personal data. :drool:

The Tesco Clubcard scam is the worst of all.

[Giggles]

What's that one? It's the only one of them shopping things I actually use.

[Ben]

They jack the price up for non-Clubcard customers (compare that price to other supermarkets and you'll see the difference) so unless you want to be ripped off financially you have to hand over your data to get back down to the normal price, which is marketed in a big yellow circle so people think they're getting a deal.

[Giggles]

They'd have your data from online shopping anyway wouldn't they?

[Ben]

They would if you did online shopping but I don't trust someone who has no need to give a shit to pick me a bell pepper that isn't wrinkly, for instance, so I don't do it.

[Spikey M]

If it's wrinkly you send it back, and it saves you an hour of time wasting and misery a week. No wonder she dashed that ring at your head, get with the times grandad.

[Ben]

Exchanging a wrinkly pepper seems like more hassle than going to the shop and choosing a good one. :D

[Spikey M]

Exchanging a wrinkly pepper seems like more hassle than going to the shop and choosing a good one. :D

Depends where you live I guess. The village shop is a 2 minute walk from my front door.

We very rarely have to refuse anything though. The shit substitutions are the only real draw back. They tried to give us Frazzles instead of Prawn Crackers once. :cab:

[Lofty]

ASDA delivery with the fabled pizza is the way forward.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Maybe it's different if you live in some rural backwater that stinks of cow entrails, but I can't even imagine online food shopping. Having to wait in for a delivery, ugh.

[Pepe]

I see more and more employees picking up stuff through the aisles when I go shopping. Doesn't seem appealing to me, but each to his own I guess.

[Lewis]

Why would you care about Tesco having your 'data'? They have your bank details, and they have cameras watching you enter and leave the shop. Them realising that I only buy Pepsi Max if it's on offer seems like something I shouldn't worry about, unless they also know I'm posting on here.

[Spikey M]

Maybe it's different if you live in some rural backwater that stinks of cow entrails, but I can't even imagine online food shopping. Having to wait in for a delivery, ugh.

You don't. You order it for a time you're home anyway. And the cow entrails smell basically the same as stab victims. You'd love it.

[Baz]

Nothing Forever - an AI generated Seinfeld episode which runs continuously and forever

https://www.twitch.tv/watchmeforever

[Shindig]

That is a special kind of awful. :D

[Pepe]

Better that most non-Seinfeld shows tbf.

[Lewis]

'...and it runs forever Jerry.'
'Forever?'

[Baz]

I understand why they’ve done Seinfeld, and why Friends will be soon, but it would be funny if it was Love Island/Big Brother.

[Kikó]

Nothing Forever - an AI generated Seinfeld episode which runs continuously and forever

https://www.twitch.tv/watchmeforever

I've been watching this for longer than I should. Stare.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I watched one in which he said he should join a credit union so he could receive a better interest rate on his capital, to much audience laughter. Shame Larry David never came up with that one.

[Shindig]

Our work AI has just collapsed over a system update. A slight change in forms absolutely kills them.

[Ben]

Our commercial team function almost exclusively with Excel files laden with macros. There was an update rolled out for Office 365 last week and it changed some Trust Center setting which disables all macros by default so they went into absolute meltdown.

[Don]

Should merge the ChatGPT thread with this.

[Kikó]

I've been watching this for longer than I should. Stare.

I can confirm that it's really one of the best comedies ever written.

[phonics]

Me and a few mates have been messing around with the deeper side of the AI art generation and this one was too funny not to share

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270326079648956433/1071957039028392036/image.png

[Pepe]

What is that supposed to be?

[John Arne]

What is it supposed to be, and what exactly were you and your mates telling it to do to return half naked boys?

[Baz]

It’s phonics if he was a wrestler.

[Lofty]

AI Seinfeld has been suspended for transphobic and homophobic standup :D

On a long enough timeline the robots always revert to abusing marginalised groups.

[Shindig]

It's like how if you let an argument go on long enough, someone will get called Hitler. :D

[Pepe]

Does anyone have the actual things that were said? I bet that it was neither.

[Shindig]

There’s like 50 people here and no one is laughing. Anyone have any suggestions? I’m thinking about doing a bit about how being transgender is actually a mental illness. Or how all liberals are secretly gay and want to impose their will on everyone. Or something about how transgender people are ruining the fabric of society. But no one is laughing, so I’m going to stop. Thanks for coming out tonight. See you next time. Where’d everybody go?

Apparently that's the bomb that was dropped.

[Pepe]

I guess the "transgender people are ruining the fabric of society" could qualify.

[Baz]

Does anyone have the actual things that were said? I bet that it was neither.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRVDTi_vVlo

[Lewis]

Jerry spitting FACTS as per.

[Spikey M]

How does this stuff work? How has the AI learned this stuff and how does it put it together?

[Kikó]

Hi Larry.

[Boydy]

BBC News - Google's Bard AI bot mistake wipes $100bn off shares
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64576225


:lol:

[Spikey M]

It may be AI, but it's still a Yank.

[Bernanke]

1622518729627033600

:D dots

[phonics]

If only you looked up literally 1 post.

[Lewis]

Jerry spitting FACTS as per.

[Lofty]

Saw this on Reddit, it's definitely getting better at pictures rapidly:

https://i.ibb.co/kM9bc2n/RDT-20230309-0612112007633350683815211.webp

[Raoul Duke]

Phenomenal pr0n implications for future generations. I predict the human race will die out within 200 years due to wanking themselves to oblivion

[-james-]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DynOlXtlYTs

[Lofty]

Professional slags in the mud.

[Baz]

Doesn't even know what a Pot Noodle is though.

https://i.imgur.com/xTNMQ9z.png

[igor_balis]

https://scontent-lcy1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/334818124_731703888448532_3423479282542544801_n.pn g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=uiF4Ey6eK2wAX9kT8Ah&_nc_ht=scontent-lcy1-1.xx&oh=03_AdQkMdNTSWQGyzRQ2jrHmcAHG7KH-fJz961kg8WLvsjtMw&oe=64334035

saves money on paying for more cameos, i suppose

[igor_balis]

[Scene opens with Yevrah walking into a vape shop. She looks around for a moment before approaching the shopkeeper, a middle-aged man with a thick mustache.]

Yevrah: Hi, I'm looking for a new vape. Can you help me out?

Shopkeeper: Absolutely! We have a wide selection of vapes, from the latest models to classic favorites. What kind of vape are you looking for?

Yevrah: Well, I want something that's easy to use and has a long battery life. Do you have anything like that?

Shopkeeper: Of course! Let me show you our top sellers. [He gestures to a display case on the counter.]

Yevrah: [Examining the vapes] Hmm, these are all a little pricey for me. Do you have anything more affordable?

Shopkeeper: [Looking impatient] We do have some budget-friendly options, but they're not going to have all the bells and whistles that these do.

Yevrah: That's okay, I just need something that works. Can you show me what you have?

Shopkeeper: [Sighing] Fine. [He walks over to a shelf and pulls down a simple, no-frills vape.]

Yevrah: [Inspecting it] This looks good. How much is it?

Shopkeeper: [Rolling his eyes] It's $25.

Yevrah: Great, I'll take it. [She pulls out her wallet and begins counting out cash.]

Shopkeeper: [Suddenly snatching the money from her] Hold on a second. You didn't read the sign, did you?

Yevrah: What sign?

Shopkeeper: [Pointing to a small sign on the counter] "No cash refunds."

Yevrah: [Looking confused] What do you mean?

Shopkeeper: [Exasperated] It means that if you change your mind and want to return the vape, we can't give you your money back. You'll have to exchange it for something else in the store.

Yevrah: [Becoming agitated] That's ridiculous! Why can't I just get my money back if I don't like it?

Shopkeeper: [Shrugging] That's our policy.

Yevrah: [Getting angry] Well, that's a stupid policy! I don't want to be stuck with something I don't like.

Shopkeeper: [Defensive] Look, it's not my fault if you didn't read the sign. It's right there for everyone to see.

Yevrah: [Throwing up her hands] Ugh, forget it. I'll just go somewhere else. [She storms out of the store, leaving the shopkeeper standing there with a sour look on his face.]

[Cut to Yevrah outside the store, muttering to herself as she walks away.]

Yevrah: [To herself] I can't believe that guy! What a jerk. I'll never go back there again.

:D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yev is a total babe.

[Spikey M]

Well, do-be-do, I sure hope Yevrah adds me on MySpace.

[Bernanke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hd_zTwPLYc&ab_channel=YeezyBeaver

AI Kanye. You can now have an AI artist cover any other track. This literally just sounds like 2005 Kanye.

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/mar/29/elon-musk-joins-call-for-pause-in-creation-of-giant-ai-digital-minds

The letter is an interesting read.

[Pepe]

And the reply will be 'lol' .

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm with Elon. Don't like any of it whatsoever.

[Giggles]

Add me to that list too. Lazy cunts will lap it up in the short term but it’s really bad news overall.

[Ben]

This will be the end of us.

[Boydy]

It's just predictive text on steroids lads, calm down.

[Lofty]

Realistically they will have to bring in universal basic income if it achieves a fraction of it's potential, because if it puts 90% of people out of work the economy will collapse. Who is going to buy coffees and sandwiches from train stations in that scenario?

[Ben]

I was saying exactly that to a bloke at work this morning who was buzzing ChatGPT is being integrated into Microsoft Office.

[Yevrah]

It's just predictive text on steroids lads, calm down.

And the internet was once just a repository for information and porn. Elon's right, albeit ironically so given he co-founded Open AI.

[-james-]

It's the biggest discovery since fire tbh. The cult of work is coming crashing down. :drool:

[Baz]

Exciting times.

[Giggles]

Confirmed.

[Spikey M]

I can't say I can see much of a positive to this stuff. I mean, maybe it can solve some problems for us, but it's going to make us it's bitch in the process.

[Lofty]

The key is to work in an archiac backwards industry where a lot of information isn't written down and people are actively afraid of writing some information down incase it becomes the basis of some protracted dispute. Safe until it spawns those little robots from Minority Report scurrying round grabbing all the analog info.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's the biggest discovery since fire tbh. The cult of work is coming crashing down. :drool:

Sounds great doesn't it, leisure for everyone. Can AI wait tables or clean lavatories?

Best case would be we all end up like those floating fat-blobs-in-chairs from Wall-E. Worst case, the entire structure of human society is completely undermined and we all end up killing and eating each other.

[Don]

The widespread rejection of technology and rethinking of society is the sweet sweet fruits that humanity can harvest. But I'll settle for the simple anarchy that awaits.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You have to think about this logically. AI starts doing let's say even 30% of current jobs that exist (in the developed world, I'm not sure it's going to start tending the paddy fields in Java, although who knows). Tax base collapses overnight - and I think, left to its own devices, this will happen very quickly - as do the livelihoods of 30% of people. Is there alternative profitable work that those 30% of people can do? Maybe there is some. Maybe with all the extra leisure time there will be extra demand for hand-crafted necklaces or sex toys or something and everyone will earn a living making those, but let's say there isn't. Companies who use AI are now being more productive for far less input, but 30% of consumers have fallen out of the economy, reducing demand for many things. A massive recession ensues. AI makes the efficiencies required to downscale to the new reality. You now have a massively holed-out economy in which what is being done is being done cheaply and to maximum efficiency, but there is just far less of it. The haves will take drastic measures to shore up their position; the have-nots, with no tax base able to generate the income required for a welfare state, will at best beg or scrap for survival and at worst, starve to death. From there it's a pretty clear spiral of doom towards things like war, disease and so on. Societies without AI, or with very limited AI, will be in a far better position as there will be far greater societal stability and none of these shocks (in the name of commercial efficiency) will have to have happened.

Tell me why I'm wrong.

[Baz]

Wrong, perhaps; but ridiculously dramatic, for sure.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't think it's dramatic at all. What is dramatic is the rate of improvement of these things.

[Ben]

Strongly agree Jim. It's easily solved with UBI (as AI will dramatically increase efficiency of the economy to compensate) but you know how that goes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Who's paying for the UBI if the tax base falls to bits?

[Ben]

It will have to be taxed at source (ie. the people that remain rich and in control of the AI). Continuing to allow money to disappear into offshore tax havens will quickly spiral into full-blown anarchy when significant (ever increasing) masses of the population have got nothing to lose.

[Jimmy Floyd]

So again, in a best case scenario you have a cabal of Andrew Carnegie type characters funding the continued survival of the rest of the population out of the goodness of their hearts. Governments will have to regulate AI out of the picture, or heavily restrict its use, before anything like this happens.

Maybe we can get rid of VAR at the same time.

[Spikey M]

Can we focus on tackling fish being microwaved in the workplace before we move onto other existential threats? Priorities.

[Offshore Toon]

All I'm hearing is free accommodation and a fulfilling life of gardening and sunbathing.

[Ben]

Governments will have to regulate AI out of the picture, or heavily restrict its use, before anything like this happens.

That would be the preference because otherwise it's full blown communism to avert anarchy and that would get lolled out of sight.

[Raoul Duke]

You have to think about this logically. AI starts doing let's say even 30% of current jobs that exist (in the developed world, I'm not sure it's going to start tending the paddy fields in Java, although who knows). Tax base collapses overnight - and I think, left to its own devices, this will happen very quickly - as do the livelihoods of 30% of people. Is there alternative profitable work that those 30% of people can do? Maybe there is some. Maybe with all the extra leisure time there will be extra demand for hand-crafted necklaces or sex toys or something and everyone will earn a living making those, but let's say there isn't. Companies who use AI are now being more productive for far less input, but 30% of consumers have fallen out of the economy, reducing demand for many things. A massive recession ensues. AI makes the efficiencies required to downscale to the new reality. You now have a massively holed-out economy in which what is being done is being done cheaply and to maximum efficiency, but there is just far less of it. The haves will take drastic measures to shore up their position; the have-nots, with no tax base able to generate the income required for a welfare state, will at best beg or scrap for survival and at worst, starve to death. From there it's a pretty clear spiral of doom towards things like war, disease and so on. Societies without AI, or with very limited AI, will be in a far better position as there will be far greater societal stability and none of these shocks (in the name of commercial efficiency) will have to have happened.

Tell me why I'm wrong.

You're wrong because it will create an entire new set of jobs which aren't conceivable today. Just as the loom operators, chimney sweeps and typists disappeared and we have machine learning scientists and digital product designers now

[Spikey M]

I think Douglas Adams nailed it really:


I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things

[Ben]

I jumped straight from 1 to 3.

[Yevrah]

So again, in a best case scenario you have a cabal of Andrew Carnegie type characters funding the continued survival of the rest of the population out of the goodness of their hearts. Governments will have to regulate AI out of the picture, or heavily restrict its use, before anything like this happens.

It's arguable that some companies/individuals have more power than governments and countries already, but under that scenario they absolutely will do and it's a scary thought.

[Spikey M]

I don't think it's arguable, I think it's fact. Financial institutions have been dictating the world for decades at this point and the jobs at the top of those organisations are pretty much hereditary. Or atleast certainly not awarded on merit.

[Pepe]

It's amusing to see the fear of AI finally reach the common folk.

[Pepe]

And that the main fear is 'it'll take jobs!'

[Shindig]

All AI has done for my job is give us another task to do. I maintain AI can't really dish out informed opinions. It can only pretend.

[Jimmy Floyd]

And that the main fear is 'it'll take jobs!'

This is a short range fear. If you leave it unchecked forever then obvs it will strangle us all and make us into sausage rolls.

[Pepe]

As long as I can eat some of them before my turn comes I'm good.

[Lofty]

All AI has done for my job is give us another task to do. I maintain AI can't really dish out informed opinions. It can only pretend.

As previously noted the AI your job is using is a clapped out Reliant Robin compared to the latest iterations.

[-james-]

You have to think about this logically. AI starts doing let's say even 30% of current jobs that exist (in the developed world, I'm not sure it's going to start tending the paddy fields in Java, although who knows). Tax base collapses overnight - and I think, left to its own devices, this will happen very quickly - as do the livelihoods of 30% of people. Is there alternative profitable work that those 30% of people can do? Maybe there is some. Maybe with all the extra leisure time there will be extra demand for hand-crafted necklaces or sex toys or something and everyone will earn a living making those, but let's say there isn't. Companies who use AI are now being more productive for far less input, but 30% of consumers have fallen out of the economy, reducing demand for many things. A massive recession ensues. AI makes the efficiencies required to downscale to the new reality. You now have a massively holed-out economy in which what is being done is being done cheaply and to maximum efficiency, but there is just far less of it. The haves will take drastic measures to shore up their position; the have-nots, with no tax base able to generate the income required for a welfare state, will at best beg or scrap for survival and at worst, starve to death. From there it's a pretty clear spiral of doom towards things like war, disease and so on. Societies without AI, or with very limited AI, will be in a far better position as there will be far greater societal stability and none of these shocks (in the name of commercial efficiency) will have to have happened.

Tell me why I'm wrong.


While the concerns raised about AI causing unemployment, collapsing the tax system, and increasing inequality are valid, the situation is not entirely bleak. With the right policies and measures, the potential negative impacts of AI can be mitigated, and societies can continue to thrive. Here are some ways to address the potential challenges:

1. Education and reskilling: Governments and businesses can invest in education and training programs to help workers acquire new skills and transition into new roles. This will allow them to participate in the AI-driven economy and find alternative, profitable work.

2. Progressive taxation and corporate responsibility: Governments can implement progressive taxation policies to ensure that companies benefiting from AI technologies contribute fairly to the tax system. This can help maintain a strong tax base and fund welfare programs.

3. Universal basic income (UBI): Some governments have considered implementing a universal basic income to provide a financial safety net for those affected by unemployment due to AI. This can help reduce poverty and inequality, as well as stimulate demand in the economy.

4. Encouraging local and artisanal industries: As AI takes over certain jobs, there may be a growing demand for locally-produced, artisanal, and unique products. Supporting these industries can help create new jobs and economic opportunities.

5. Focus on human-centric jobs: Some jobs, such as those in healthcare, education, and social services, require a human touch and empathy that AI cannot replace. Encouraging growth in these sectors can help absorb displaced workers and maintain societal stability.

6. International cooperation: Governments can work together to establish global regulations and standards for AI development and deployment. This can ensure that AI is used responsibly and ethically and prevent a race to the bottom in terms of labor standards and tax policies.

7. Rethinking economic growth: Societies may need to reconsider their focus on economic growth and prioritize well-being, sustainability, and social equity. This can involve adopting new economic models, such as circular or doughnut economics, which aim to balance economic development with social and environmental considerations.

8. Strengthening social safety nets: Governments can strengthen social safety nets by investing in healthcare, education, and affordable housing. This can help create a more resilient society that is better equipped to handle the disruptions caused by AI and automation.

9. Promoting innovation and entrepreneurship: Encouraging innovation and entrepreneurship can help create new industries and job opportunities. Governments can support this by providing funding, resources, and a favorable regulatory environment for start-ups and small businesses.

10. Investing in public infrastructure and services: By investing in public infrastructure and services, governments can create jobs and stimulate economic activity. This can help offset the job losses caused by AI and automation while improving the overall quality of life for citizens.

By adopting a comprehensive approach that combines these measures, governments and societies can address the challenges posed by AI and automation while ensuring that the benefits are shared by all. This can help prevent the collapse of the tax system, a global economic downturn, and the rise of inequality. Instead, AI can be harnessed to improve productivity, drive innovation, and create a more equitable and sustainable future for all.

Sent from my GPT-4

[Ben]

A whole lot of faith being put into Governments there.

[Boydy]

"with the right policies"

So definitely not happening in the UK (or US) then.

[Giggles]

"with the right policies"

So definitely not happening in the UK (or US) then.

That’s exactly where I stopped reading. As if any government would break the habit of a lifetime with those.

[Yevrah]

What jobs is AI actually going to do?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I should think in fairly short order it will be able to do almost anything that doesn't involve physical or emotional input. Probably not great news for accountants tbh.

[-james-]

It will touch at least the bottom rung of pretty much every sector apart from care and really hands on stuff like plumbing/bartending. I saw that the new GPT scored in the 90th percentile for the bar exam the other day.

I obviously don't have the answers to Jimmy's concerns, but it is definitely here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You're wrong because it will create an entire new set of jobs which aren't conceivable today. Just as the loom operators, chimney sweeps and typists disappeared and we have machine learning scientists and digital product designers now

I'm not sure I buy this. When chimney sweeps went out it was because no one burned fires anymore, and the demand went somewhere else. With AI, we're still going to be burning fires, it's just that we won't need to employ a human to sweep the chimney afterwards. You also don't need to fund a complex education system to generate chimney sweeps, which you do with machine learning scientists and digital product designers.

I suppose you could forecast there will be an increased demand for OG human services in an AI dominated world. Like, you could have an app where someone pays you £20 to come and have a chat for a bit.

[Raoul Duke]

I'm not sure I buy this. When chimney sweeps went out it was because no one burned fires anymore, and the demand went somewhere else. With AI, we're still going to be burning fires, it's just that we won't need to employ a human to sweep the chimney afterwards. You also don't need to fund a complex education system to generate chimney sweeps, which you do with machine learning scientists and digital product designers.

I suppose you could forecast there will be an increased demand for OG human services in an AI dominated world. Like, you could have an app where someone pays you £20 to come and have a chat for a bit.

You'll still need someone to paint the thing, install the thing, bake the thing, build the thing etc. Also someone to verify the AI response/diagnosis/code - which is a whole new raft of jobs

[Spikey M]

You'll still need someone to paint the thing, install the thing, bake the thing, build the thing etc. Also someone to verify the AI response/diagnosis/code - which is a whole new raft of jobs

Will you? If the AI is good enough it's likely to be better at all that stuff than a human ever could be, as Keanu Reeves proved.

[Lofty]

Depends on what you consider manual, they invented robot bricklayers years ago. Powerful AI could probably use them to their promised potential. Lights out factories have been going for years too. Apparently in logistics some big corporate warehouses are nearly 100% automated, just the HGV's that are human operated.

[Lewis]

If AI leads to even a fraction of these widespread social upheaval fantasies then Day One is every wealthy nation slamming its borders fucking SHUT.

[Shindig]

The terrifying stuff is probably way out of many businesses price range. Plus jobs do tend to change fairly regularly as business/client needs change.

And some businesses really like to own their tech.

If it gets affordable and democratised, start to panic.

[Pepe]

If it gets affordable and democratized, start your own business.

[Pepe]

If AI leads to even a fraction of these widespread social upheaval fantasies then Day One is every wealthy nation slamming its borders fucking SHUT.

I'll have my robot dig a tunnel for me.

[Raoul Duke]

Depends on what you consider manual, they invented robot bricklayers years ago. Powerful AI could probably use them to their promised potential. Lights out factories have been going for years too. Apparently in logistics some big corporate warehouses are nearly 100% automated, just the HGV's that are human operated.

And yet the UK unemployment rate (https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment/timeseries/mgsx/lms) is lower than it's been since the 70s - despite the internet, mobile and AI

[Spikey M]

And yet the UK unemployment rate (https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment/timeseries/mgsx/lms) is lower than it's been since the 70s - despite the internet, mobile and AI

Alright Raoul Sunak. Unemployment being low is because half the country needs multiple jobs to scrape by. This isn't a win.

[niko_cee]

The terrifying stuff is probably way out of many businesses price range.

It'll be like how the tuna gets into the cans. You think it's going to be some modern industrial process, but it's just thousands of poorly paid Filipinos [or whoever] doing it all by hand in a giant factory. The third world human is probably the most affordable piece of extremely advanced technology going and will remain so.

I suppose the real problem will be when AI gets in on email scamming.

[Don]

Tech guy Roaul and early 90s AI prototype Shinners staying calm about the impact of all this :happycry:

[Ben]

Italy have banned ChatGPT.

[wullie]

I asked Google Bard if it'll take my job.

I am not here to take your job. I am here to help you. I can help you with many tasks, such as:

Answering your questions
Generating text formats of text content
Translating languages
Writing different kinds of creative content
Fulfilling all your requirements


Last one's a bit sexy

[Raoul Duke]

Italy have banned ChatGPT.

Why? It can't do crime

[niko_cee]

Probably the fact that the US [and their corporate actors] have scant regard for any sort of data privacy laws.

[Pepe]

Italy have banned ChatGPT.

:harold:

[Giggles]

Italy have banned ChatGPT.

They’ll be the first ones the machines will kill then.

[Raoul Duke]

They’ll be the first ones the machines will kill then.

Pasta la vista, baby

[Boydy]

Pasta la vista, baby

:D

Very good.

[Giggles]

:cool:

[niko_cee]

Did ChatGPT write that one?

[Ben]

I asked it who would win the Masters and it said Dustin Johnson so we’re safe for a while yet.

[igor_balis]

https://youtu.be/-sg7Qh8uzSw

[Lofty]

https://i.ibb.co/RTZTry7/PBF197-Automatic-Business.jpg

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/

Bring it.

[Manc]

:uhoh:

[Pepe]

He is one of the original 'AI alignment' persons. Also, in my opinion, he lost the plot about two years ago.

[Giggles]

End it all.

[Ben]

Further down the rabbit hole we go.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/65333115

Surely there comes a point where AI is regulated out of sight?

[Magic]

:D

Diana next?

[Don]

What does regulated out of sight mean though, as in stick such serious punishment for its use that it goes underground like child porn or something?

The story yesterday about the ultra-marathon runner who used her car for some of the race got a giggle and I'm trying to draw reassuring comparisons between the car and AI and how this isn't all pointing to the imminent destruction and transformation of everything we know but it's difficult. Yes, we don't all just use our cars to drive 4.9km in our weekly parkrun and smash our PBs but if society was founded upon covering x distance across 35 hours per week, I'm pretty sure you'd struggle to keep people away from their cars.

Some gimp also won a photography award with an AI-generated entry the other day (they openly admitted to it after the event rather than trying to cheat glory).

[niko_cee]

Was it for that photo Lofty posted earlier on in the thread?

[Yevrah]

It isn't all pointing to the imminent destruction of society because it isn't AI, more a very cleverly (by standards to date) written program.

[Don]

As in you're making the distinction between AI and LLMs? Isn't it just a matter of semantics given their power?

[Jimmy Floyd]

There will end up being a pretty powerful luddite movement, akin to the strength of, say, the climate change movement currently. The challenge for them will be avoiding being a load of useless hippy socialist wankers, like every previous movement against the march of technological capitalism.

[-james-]

It isn't all pointing to the imminent destruction of society because it isn't AI, more a very cleverly (by standards to date) written program.

It is AI. It's (probably) not AGI (artificial general intelligence), which is probably what you mean

[Offshore Toon]

The threat to creative industries is very real as most people aren't bothered about authenticity, but in terms of research it's not only useless but very often misleading when it comes to the finer details.

[Yevrah]

It is AI. It's (probably) not AGI (artificial general intelligence), which is probably what you mean

I'm not up to speed on the terminology of these things, but if it's technically AI then I'd suggest the definition of AI that's being used is wrong. Much like "Machine Learning".

True Artificial Intelligence, for me, should have independent thought and free will and this thing has neither.

[Baz]

Pretty sure that’s impossible.

[Offshore Toon]

It'd just end up as ChatCBA.

[Yevrah]

Pretty sure that’s impossible.

Maybe, but then where's the intelligence in ChatGPT? It's just Google with bells and whistles.

This all smells a bit like 3D Printing, which IIRC should have solved World hunger by now.

[Offshore Toon]

Yeah, when I've corrected GPT and asked it to remember certain information for future answers, it never does. Thick af.

[Magic]

I'm not up to speed on the terminology of these things, but if it's technically AI then I'd suggest the definition of AI that's being used is wrong. Much like "Machine Learning".

True Artificial Intelligence, for me, should have independent thought and free will and this thing has neither.

That's like saying true artificial plants should produce pollen and perform photosynthesis.

[Ben]

I assume loads of people are using it for work related stuff. Surely there's a data privacy issue there where people are pouring company data into it, because OpenAI retain the data for at least a short period (and that's what they admit to).

[Baz]

Even with those two [vague] examples, I just don’t understand a viable use-case.

I completely take this back. AI is the mutts nuts. It's incredible.

[Lofty]

Remove your tin foil hat. :drink:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65631168

[Magic]

That's hilarious. They absolutely don't give a fuck about customer service anyway so it's the perfect solution.

[Magic]

I'm paying for ChatGPT now and I got the govt to pay for my mem.ai subscription and writing credit. Absolutely loving it.

[Giggles]

It's coming :drool:

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[Spikey M]

I forget, is it the red pill or the blue pill we take when the time comes?

[Bernanke]

It's coming :drool:

1664464076364234756


He continued to elaborate, saying, “We trained the system–‘Hey don’t kill the operator–that’s bad. You’re gonna lose points if you do that’. So what does it start doing? It starts destroying the communication tower that the operator uses to communicate with the drone to stop it from killing the target.”

This is fine. :)

[Spikey M]

So basically it had a tantrum? :D

[Lofty]

I always thought that if AI was given the brief of saving the planet it's answer would be 'just destroy humanity'.

[Raoul Duke]

That story turned out to be bollocks, by the way. It was just a thought exercise or something, not even a simulation

[Shindig]

The headline says 'simulated test' right there. You can do that on computers.

[Don]

Not directly AI related but let's just jam it in here as it'll lead to similarly disastrous outcomes.


https://youtu.be/TX9qSaGXFyg

Kept thinking Tom Cruise was gonna come into shot during that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

These people always have such tidy houses.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

£2.8k and the battery life is only 2 hours :harold:

[Lewis]

I could see the appeal of something that made a display pop up in the air in front of you, like in films and that, but anything involving a facemask/helmet just seems shit.

[Boydy]

Imagine the neighbours walking by and seeing you sat in that fucking scuba mask on your sofa.

[niko_cee]

Whilst having a wank.

[phonics]

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[Lewis]

At least you save the good stuff for TTH.

[Boydy]

Whilst having a wank.

I'd be embarrassed enough without that part.

[John Arne]

I can do everything in that Apple video sat in front of my laptop. I don't see the benefit of wearing some massive head gear rather than just sat interacting with a screen.

[Don]

The technology in terms of ease of navigation by freeing up your hands and making the screen much bigger to allow far more to be open at once is a pretty crucial and obvious next step in where we need to go, it blows laptops/desktops away nevermind phones which is what most people have already moved toward. This is obviously early stage bollocks and it'll need to turned into lightweight glasses and contact lenses before it really pops but it's quite obviously going to take over our lives. I've seen the future and it's 24 hour screen-time/fucking bleak.

[Boydy]

1665825460863877120

[Boydy]

1709323993847631978

:lol:

[Spikey M]

:D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Always knew Marx had a cracking set.

[Shindig]

Shame he never mentioned them in the manifesto.

[Raoul Duke]

New AI gizmo just dropped: https://hu.ma.ne

[niko_cee]

Not that I watched the whole thing, bit of a Theranos power couple vibe going on there, but in what way is it different from a wearable pin badge Alexa?

[Raoul Duke]

Not so much, really.

Those two are AI themselves possibly, I thought

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jesus, that bloke could euthanise you from a thousand paces.

[Shindig]

Those things look real easy to steal.

[Lofty]

Can't you do everything that pin does with a smartphone?

[Bernanke]

Can't you do everything that pin does with a smartphone?

That's what people said about the Google Glass as well, and look at it now.

[Offshore Toon]

Turning AI into a fashion accessory is genius in a business sense but horrific for the most part. If those pins become mainstream there'll be no such thing as peace and quiet anymore.

[Yevrah]

Only scanned through it but my first thought that if we live to a decent age the World is going to almost unrecognisable to how it is today, well, in the first World at least.

[Baz]

Everytime this thread gets bumped I get ludicrously excited for 1st December. :youpi:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Has anyone done an economic model of how everything is going to work when AI is doing all administrative tasks?

[Pepe]

Next few years will be everyone slapping the label "AI" on everything in an attempt to sell you shit. Whatever the value of AI ends up being, it won't be on consumer-grade products.

[niko_cee]

AI driven 3D printed components, sold at some sort of premium mark-up, to idiots.

AI designed 3D printed iPhone going for 10 grand or something.

[Don]

That product reminds me I need rewatch Her soon.

It's definitely aiming at the right place, it makes no sense to have our hands and vision tied up to a phone as is the current model when on the move. To free both up in such a manner would lead to solving a number of big problems. Unfortunately, that still seems a little too chunky for widespread acceptance and adoption without the need for a major behavioural shift. It seems an unnecesary transitional phase that can be avoided by just focusing on size reduction.

[randomlegend]

Been sent an advert today to apply for a "clinical artificial intelligence fellowship". The future is now.

[Offshore Toon]

Anybody been creating custom GPTs? It's outrageous how good ChatGPT is at my job.

On top of that, my mate's marketing business is taking off and he's asked me to come in in on that so I'll have two solid revenues funnelling into bitcoin shortly. 2025 semi-retirement. :drool:

[Giggles]

You should do a Mellin.

[-james-]

https://openai.com/blog/openai-announces-leadership-transition

This is very juicy. I must know more.

[Don]

What's the rumours because that alone isn't sounding that juicy to me.

[-james-]

It's come from absolutely nowhere. The statement is like Liverpool sacking Mo Salah and saying he was shit all along.

Also there's some stuff about him raping his sister.

[Spikey M]

I think you're confusing him with Oscar.

[Offshore Toon]

It's come from absolutely nowhere. The statement is like Liverpool sacking Mo Salah and saying he was shit all along.

Also there's some stuff about him raping his sister.
It's more like sacking the rich Chairman than sacking the technical donny.

[Boydy]

It's come from absolutely nowhere. The statement is like Liverpool sacking Mo Salah and saying he was shit all along.

Also there's some stuff about him raping his sister.
Yeah, I saw that doing the rounds on twitter a while ago.

[Boydy]

1726008999009476932

:cab:

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67494165

What a strange course of events.

[Don]

https://www.stateof.ai/

Great read, this. Prediction for the next 12 months of an AI-generated song charting sounds about right.

[phonics]

I mean that's already been done and there's been AI pop idols for near on a decade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatsune_Miku

[Don]

It has not been done yet. That is why it is a prediction. Scum.

[Offshore Toon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67494165

What a strange course of events.
The board must have raped his sister as well.

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/23/openai-was-working-on-advanced-model-so-powerful-it-alarmed-staff

I fucking unloaded £5k on Nvidia shares yesterday. Cyberdyne Systems eat your fucking heart out :drool:

[Ben]

Nvidia chips are all made in Taiwan, so you want to hope Uncle Xi doesn't follow through on all this posturing.

[Don]

Yeah, the trade war is what seems to be the [only] risk. I read they're still too far ahead of Chinese competitiors and China are going to find it difficult to bridge the gap. I'm going to go in on Microsoft and a general AI fund too.

I don't care all that much for the potential financial gains anyway when it'll be ushering in an era of focus shifting from employment to pursuing cultural and physical enrichment. I'm already planning my daily schedule of recreation :drool:

[Spikey M]

I'm very disappointed that we're not having an AI Advent Calendar in here.