Football Manager 23

[John Arne]

Headline features video released.


https://youtu.be/l6UWRRCEW38

As ever, very small changes rather than anything significant.

Most of the changes seem to be things that I'll end up ignoring.

- A update to recruitment including SQUAD PLANNER, which I suspect 95% of us will ignore

- Slightly better match engine

- UEFA Licenses

- Improved supporter feedback, whatever that means

- Season review screen (not sure how this is a headline feature)

Most seem a little pissed that they've ignored set piece creator and international management.

I'm just shocked about how big their studio is now, for what is fairly small changes every year.

I'll buy it.

[Danny]

Seems incremental at best. They really need to overhaul set pieces too.

I’ll end up buying it too though.

[John Arne]

Seems incremental at best. They really need to overhaul set pieces too.

I’ll end up buying it too though.

Yeah, they've got to the point where they can't really make major changes any more - but they should at least try to listen to the fans.

I don't care about set pieces, but International management could have done with some improvements.

[Danny]

Agreed. I saw a few streamers making vids asking for that too.

The World Cup starts about a month after the game comes out. No better time to overhaul it and push it big.

[Baz]

Nice to see they’ve toned down the purple, and the UEFA stuff does look nice.

Agree about the international stuff too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is it even possible to overhaul it on a 1 year release schedule? Unless they were like F1 teams and planning for 2025 a couple of years back.

[7om]

Haven’t bought FM since the 2018 version. I did download the 22 demo but it’s so bloated and intimidating that I ended up only checking the Birmingham team and shutting it down. Fair play to you lot who play it, I couldn’t.

[Luke Emia]

Is it even possible to overhaul it on a 1 year release schedule? Unless they were like F1 teams and planning for 2025 a couple of years back.

You would imagine no and only have to look at FIFA for that as well. In some ways it's better because you don't end up with things like CM3 and CM4 literally taking forever to be released when they were trying to re-write pretty much the whole game. But, the other side is you end up with very small changes year on year and it's very rare that they actually do anything significant.

[Giggles]

For me, it needs to be rubbed out and starred again at this stage. Then again I’m probably not the target audience any more.

[Giggles]

When was the last really significant change? The 3D match engine?

[Ian]

As with EA and FIFA they're being actively incrntivised to just crank out basically the same thing every year because people will say "well this looks underwhelming" while clicking Purchase.

[Dark Soldier]

First version since 11 I'm not getting. Each year my hours played has dropped increasingly and its like crack for me if I do buy it.

Worst features video in years so it's a solid catalyst to say nah.

[Spikey M]

Is it even possible to overhaul it on a 1 year release schedule? Unless they were like F1 teams and planning for 2025 a couple of years back.

I'm sure they used to make sweeping changes every other year, with just squad updates in between. I'm not sure why they stopped that.

[Spikey M]

As with EA and FIFA they're being actively incrntivised to just crank out basically the same thing every year because people will say "well this looks underwhelming" while clicking Purchase.

Thankfully it hasn't been completely ruined like FIFA has by that Ultimate Team bollocks.

[John Arne]

I always maintain that the decision to release the game in late October/November stems from Miles pig-headedness.

From a launch and interest point of view, surely a launch just after the season starts and the transfer windows are closed would be the height of interest - and I'm pretty sure it used to be that. But then, 1 year when the game was delayed, Miles decided that it was intentional and that all future releases would be a couple of months after the season starts. But, then why would you intentional reduce your own sales? #Fixed

[Jimmy Floyd]

I doubt they'd do anything other than optimise the release date. People are away/in flux in August and September.

[Adramelch]

I always maintain that the decision to release the game in late October/November stems from Miles pig-headedness.

From a launch and interest point of view, surely a launch just after the season starts and the transfer windows are closed would be the height of interest - and I'm pretty sure it used to be that. But then, 1 year when the game was delayed, Miles decided that it was intentional and that all future releases would be a couple of months after the season starts. But, then why would you intentional reduce your own sales? #Fixed

I think it's always been released after towards the back half of October or November.

[Spikey M]

Primed for long nights, miserable days and Christmas.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You could have just said long nights and miserable days.

[Ben]

I played '22 for about ten minutes (demo) before scurrying back to 01/02. I'm well into my 30's now so I've not got the time or powers of concentration for such intensity (yeah I know you can strip it down but then what's the point?).

[Spikey M]

You could have just said long nights and miserable days.

Alright Mr Grinch. Sounds like someone needs to go to a Christmas Market with Igors mum to get in the Christmas spirit.

[Manc]

Sounds promising.

[Dark Soldier]

Until they fuck off some Indian users running on a 2004 laptop and update the fucking ME and overall engine, its gonna be DLC full price yearly updates essentially, with Miles wanking himself off at his brilliance.

[Ian]

Thankfully it hasn't been completely ruined like FIFA has by that Ultimate Team bollocks.

No but the last one I played still had the same old flaws and a load of annoying extra "features" piled on.

I'd be more inclined to go back to my FM15 save and see how Messi is getting on as Assman for the reserves.

[Baz]

I plan on only playing one save, and that’ll be managing you lovely lot for 20 seasons.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I will get it. Not sure what my save will be.

I think I've narrowed it down to 3 options.

1. One of my Journeyman saves with loads of extra nations/leagues.

2. Winning the Champions League with every club who has been to a CL final but failed to win (currently 20 teams). New teams can be added throughout the save and some (like Man City and PSG) will probably be knocked off by the AI before I get there. Credit to Thomma for this one.

3. Winning the Champions League with lesser clubs from a famous city/region from the top 5 countries. So FC United, 1860 Munich and Paris FC. For Italy I'd do region and go for Novese (in the Piedmont region and are the only club to have won an Italian championship but have never been in Serie A or B) and for Spain/Barcelona there are about 50 clubs to choose it seems.

[Gray Fox]

You can still claim FM22 for free on Prime Gaming for 3 days...

Last extensively played version was FM16, though 19 did get a good outing. I tend to buy on release every 3 years or so as enough seems to change in that time to warrant it. Though given FM22 is currently 'free' and there really doesn't seem to be anything of substance added to '23, I'm unsure of the worth of it.

Unfortunately there is no competition and so there's no need to put anything major in. I would have liked to have seen a graphical improvement during matches. The data hub is actually really good, but it gets such little use from the community that they could probably just leave all of that stuff as is for a while and nobody would really care.
The UEFA licensing is quite nice though. I hate using the name fixes for things like that, as when you manage in a foreign country all of the awards and such become the full and proper name.

[Raoul Duke]

I'll play it on Xbox for a bit, seeing as it's on GamePass

[Lofty]

You can still claim FM22 for free on Prime Gaming for 3 days....

Grsat shout cheers. I did play it a bit through gamepass on my laptop but it wasnt great as laptop wasn't really built for it. My newly built pc monstered a large database a minute ago so I'll probably just faff with 22 until 23 is cheap/free.

[Giggles]

What’s Prime Gaming?

[Gray Fox]

https://gaming.amazon.com/home

If you link your Amazon account to that, as long as you have prime, you can claim the stuff on that page for free.

A lot of it is in-game content, but they also give out full games for free from time to time. For example Assassins Creed: Origins and Shadow of Mordor are also there to claim for 'free'

I believe it's because Amazon owns Twitch.tv as well, so because that's all gaming streams they put these offers out to mix the two a little.

[Yevrah]

I'm 16 minutes into that features video and fucking hell, scraping the barrel seriously here.

[ScousePig]

They just need to sort out the match engine so that the gegenpress style isn't so overpowered, and make the AI managers more intelligent with their tactics and recruitment.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sounds like they've got real life football nailed.

[ScousePig]

It's too far. They're on the right track in terms of quick, physical hard working players generally excelling, but there shouldn't be a setup which allows Haaland to score 100 goals in a season or a team to score 200. Or if there is, there needs to be people on hand to reign certain style tactics back in.

I do think it's a quality game, but it remains very easy to create an overpowered tactic which guarantees success. They tried to reign it in by players becoming more quickly fatigued but the effect was negligible.

[randomlegend]

There's just always parts of the AI that can be exploited and they don't seem that responsive in fixing them

I haven't played that much FM22 so I don't know if it's still as bad, but attacking full-backs were absolutely broken for years. There's also usually a stupid formation which no team could play in real life which overloads the AI on a certain part of the pitch and it can't cope.

[Manc]

If they make the AI competent then it will be the best FM in a decade.

[Mike]

I’ll get it. Think I’ll start it Italy.

[Gray Fox]

This is currently up for £28 on Amazon for anyone who was wanting to order it early. I've not seen it below £30 anywhere else.

[wullie]

Was looking to order this afternoon so that's good timing, thanks

[Yevrah]

Do you get a code you can activate on Steam doing it through Amazon?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Ordered.

The picture says a code to be activated on Steam, Epic or Microsoft Store.

[wullie]

Do you get a code you can activate on Steam doing it through Amazon?

Yep, I did it through Amazon for at least one of the previous ones

[Baz]

This is currently up for £28 on Amazon for anyone who was wanting to order it early. I've not seen it below £30 anywhere else.

https://amzn.to/3ExG6Yd

[Dark Soldier]

First version since 11 I'm not getting. Each year my hours played has dropped increasingly and its like crack for me if I do buy it.

Worst features video in years so it's a solid catalyst to say nah.

Overpaid on student loan and got a refund so of course I fucking bought it.

Should be beta Thursday.

[Clunge]

Will be buying ‘23 mainly to ensure I can, for the first time ever and hopefully not the last, play as Taunton Town from the off.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Taunton Town are on my kill list for knocking W&H out of the FA Cup. I see they drew with Yeovil in the next round, everyone off their face on double strength scrumpy.

[Waffdon]

Can’t wait to get relegated with Southampton later today because there’s no tactics I can steal and download.

[Yevrah]

Is the beta out today?

[Waffdon]

Sounds like it but I’ve just found out my old man has been playing it for the past week. Just loading it up now.

[Boydy]

Your da plays Football Manager?

[Ben]

Your dad? :D

[Yevrah]

How are you loading it up? Reckons it's still unavailable on Steam for me.

[Yevrah]

Waff's Dad could well be younger than me. :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He's from Dundee, of course he's younger than you.

[Waffdon]

How are you loading it up? Reckons it's still unavailable on Steam for me.

https://i.ibb.co/bB8Ry0j/B14-B1-BB3-3-BE0-404-E-AC9-E-83-B7-BBB5-A871.png

Born 1969, as you can tell by his weird photo on WhatsApp. Some boy.

He’s definitely been on it a few days anyway as he’s got 16 hour gameplay time.

[Yevrah]

He's 11 years older. Disappointing. As is not being able to get on it on Steam. If he wants to do his son and someone he doesn't know a favour, let me know.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.ibb.co/bB8Ry0j/B14-B1-BB3-3-BE0-404-E-AC9-E-83-B7-BBB5-A871.png

Born 1969, as you can tell by his weird photo on WhatsApp. Some boy.

He’s definitely been on it a few days anyway as he’s got 16 hour gameplay time.

Bit of a dick that he didn't get you an advanced copy.

[Waffdon]

He uses my Steam account so I’ve got access. Been playing FM22 without even realising FM23 was on there ready to go

[Manc]

https://youtu.be/SPq8hHZOiZ8

[Waffdon]

Apparently players get it early and he’s mates with Arbroath legend Bobby Linn.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He uses my Steam account so I’ve got access. Been playing FM22 without even realising FM23 was on there ready to go

:face:

[Waffdon]

https://i.ibb.co/TPZL2yk/Untitled.png

Class. Now to sort out them ugly logos.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Good to see the eyebrow department have been hard at work.

[Giggles]

Is there a Touch beta?

[Manc]

I don't believe so.

Give us a sense of the difficulty, Waff. Miles has been doing bits in the media suggesting it's much tougher.

[randomlegend]

Is there a Touch beta?

All touch players are beta.

[Giggles]

I’ma busy man. I don’t have time to talk to my deputy assistant goalkeeping fitness coach for a week with pre defined responses.

[Yevrah]

I can install it, does that mean we have a beta? DO WE HAVE A BETA?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I can install it, does that mean we have a beta? DO WE HAVE A BETA?

Did you order from Amazon?

I've had nothing from them and they haven't even taken money yet.

[Waffdon]

Yeah it’s out.

[Danny]

1583143407341670400

We do.

Releasing at the same time as the COD early release. Ballsy :D

[Yevrah]

Did you order from Amazon?

I've had nothing from them and they haven't even taken money yet.

I did it from Steam, I figured for £8 difference it was worth it.

[Danny]

I bought from Fanatical as a bunch of the content creators had discount codes. Its installing now.

[Yevrah]

Who are you gonna start with Danny?

[Gray Fox]

What’s the restrictions on the beta? It usually stops you at a certain date right?

[Yevrah]

I thought it went on forever, you just might need to start a new game to get the full benefit of changes for the final release. No idea if that's how it still works mind.

[Danny]

I usually go with Crewe but I think I want to save that for once the game is actually out of beta (not that they will change much).

I had scoured the leagues and was thinking about someone like Derby or Sheff Wed. Either that or take it easy while getting used to the game and just use United or Newcastle.

[randomlegend]

I think in recent years it's just the full game but one patch behind the full release.

[Danny]

Yeah pretty sure thats the case.

[Baz]

Don't forget to fix names and stuff: https://www.fmscout.com/a-fm23-real-names-license-fix.html

[Danny]

Real Names Fix
Badges (should carry IIRC)
Faces (should carry IIRC)
Kits

What else is missing

[Dark Soldier]

Working on this already:

https://i.gyazo.com/e2fb22ca95cf9c503710119157e153ef.png

6-1 friendly win v Atletico and 4-0 first game v Everton.

[Yevrah]

Cheers Baz. Couldn't see anything on SortitoutSI and playing as Man UFC or whatever it was was seriously annoying.

[Yevrah]

Real Names Fix
Badges (should carry IIRC)
Faces (should carry IIRC)
Kits

What else is missing

Badges and faces from Susie definitely carry, I just cut and pasted the entire graphics folder into the FM23 directory, pissed about with caching and the job was done.

[Yevrah]

I've just holidayed for two years and the full on Champions League new nonsense format from the 24/25 season is present and correct. :drool:

36 teams in one league table, playing 8 matches each.

[Manc]

Horrifying.

[Danny]

Need a custom database to reverse it

[Waffdon]

8 games into the season and 5 draws with 3 losses. Going spectacularly well, haven’t even had a tough schedule. :lol:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.imgur.com/Lkjga7h.png

[John Arne]

For those like me who skip some games, the wannachup instant result skin is out...

https://www.fmscout.com/a-wannachup-fm23-instant-result-skin.html

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.imgur.com/Ke153yb.png

New shiny graphics are fun.

[Waffdon]

Christ, Southampton players are all a bit sensitive. Had to work my bollocks off to keep their dynamics relatively high but went on holiday for a month when the World Cup kicked off and came back to them all being in the huff.

Slightly turned the form round, tactics against good teams seems to be useful (low block) and have beaten Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd whilst not being battered too badly by Haaland. Can’t quite tweak it well enough against the mid table teams though so still in 14th. Points are quite tight up to 8th though.

Someone needs to come up with a corner tactic pronto. Rather disappointed at the lack of goals from JWP on set pieces (20 for corners and FKs)

[Yevrah]

Does hitting it into the near post no longer work?

[Waffdon]

I’ve got them set as near post and haven’t scored from a single corner yet. Might try it on mixed to see if it changes anything.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.imgur.com/A9TmznU.png

:drool:

[Waffdon]

In the QF of the League Cup having beaten Arsenal and Spurs away from home. Now been drawn away to Chelsea when Brighton, Fulham, Bolton and West Brom were all available :sick:

[Dark Soldier]

https://i.imgur.com/A9TmznU.png

:drool:

I'm playing him and he's scored 11 in 7 starts lol.

Same every year, very attacking counter-press fucks the game when your team gets used to the tactic. Low block + very high defensive line is wonderful.

Rocking this:

https://i.gyazo.com/58390fc0c3bdfbe5a71c2b69588a490f.png

Implemented after Bournemouth loss which was with a typical 4123 (DM, 2Ws). Team started properly gelling with it last 5 games:

https://i.gyazo.com/a0c08926e0c6e3a4402e875be46398d6.png

AI seems to adapt more, so when they go a goal or two down they get very attacking. But then it leaves 5 of my lads up top and we just rinse 'em on the break.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.imgur.com/OpoNseU.png

Hasn't gone as well for me...

[Waffdon]

Get them logos changed :sick:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's the Beta, lad.

I can't be fucked when I wont be playing this save in 2 weeks time.

[Waffdon]

Just move them from the FM22 folder lol

[Baz]

How do you play offside trap? The old button has gone. Or is that what 'step up more' means in the 'out of possession' tactic menu?

[Yevrah]

I think that's the case, with Step Up replacing the previous instruction.

In another question, how the fuck does scouting work now? Are recruitment focuses the new way of saying scouting assignment?

[Waffdon]

Presume so. I quite like it, easier to check up on specific areas I’ve scouted.

[John Arne]

Ooff.

https://gyazo.com/5c5c499d94f1f513533d28d4e18fd00d.jpeg

[Bernanke]

Is there no like "free player search" anymore if you have limited scouting range?

[randomlegend]

So, is this just another reskin with more conversation options tagged on or is it actually worth getting?

Idk why I'm asking because I'll end up buying it anyway one day when I'm bored.

[Dark Soldier]

Bayern paid £45m for Dalot. Realistic as ever.

[Gray Fox]

So, is this just another reskin with more conversation options tagged on or is it actually worth getting?

Idk why I'm asking because I'll end up buying it anyway one day when I'm bored.

But this time you have a SQUAD PLANNER.

The UEFA stuff having official branding does make it look a lot sharper.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.imgur.com/NaaaIHx.png

Results were poor in the league (we were 11th after 14 games) and the board called me in for a meeting having just lost 2-1 to Liverpool. They wanted 12 from 5 and I said no, they then said 10 from 5 and I said no again which they took as my resignation. Annoyingly I looked at my 5 after (Brentford, Villa, Wolves, Arsenal and Fulham) and think 10 was achievable.

https://i.imgur.com/RPHPr2B.png

https://i.imgur.com/62EzY3A.png

Feel I could have spent my money better.

[Yevrah]

I'm bored of managing Man Utd after about 8 games. Gonna load up a load of European leagues, go in as a Steven/Frank Ego type and see what offers I get.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I was also bored of managing them which is why I left.

After some holidaying I've been offered the Sampdoria job which I have taken.

[Baz]

I've made a tactic. That's all. :D

Might as well give Liverpool a go.

[Dark Soldier]

6.25 xG is prob the highest I've had on FM in a league match. Dunno if its calculating it proper.

https://i.gyazo.com/9cb44dbc0e5d8fd9e6c747c9afb3b34b.png

[Waffdon]

Yeah I’m not sure it does either purely based on the fact I only watch Key highlights and they’ll show stuff worth 0.10xg but not over 0.30.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I don't think it is either.

I had a match earlier (whilst I was still United boss) where my xG was really low in a game we scored 4 goals. None of them looked that hard (all inside the box) and one was even an open goal yet we barely got over 1.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.imgur.com/rOxaxCS.png

It did not come home :drool:

[Mike]

I wonder this every year and never look. Is there a way to do the name fix, but keep leaderboards and stuff working?

[Baz]

I wonder this every year and never look. Is there a way to do the name fix, but keep leaderboards and stuff working?The name fix doesn't break leaderboards, its the other stuff like newspaper names and kit colour fixes that does. Anything that is implemented by editing the data/db/lnc/edt files in the Steam folder means leaderboards work. But anything that goes in My Documents/Sports Interactive/Editor Data stops leaderboards from working, presumably cos you could edit your team to all 200 CA and win every game, if you really wanted to be top of the pops.

[Yevrah]

I think I love the name fix you posted Baz as it doesn't seem to have edited the awards to things like capcocanonieri del al es sol wan biaggio and therefore I still understand what they are.

[Gray Fox]

That’s my biggest annoyance with name fixes in the past.
I hate having Napoli named whatever they are now or “Zebre” but just keep it at “Italian player of the month” for fucks sake.

[Yevrah]

Too true. I honestly nearly had a celebratory wank when I first saw this list having applied the name fix.

https://i.postimg.cc/NjhryGYC/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Waffdon]

The World Cup turned out to be a really good thing.

https://i.ibb.co/bm92XMP/fm.png

Finally managed to get a tactic that works:

https://i.ibb.co/rH37ZgL/433.png

Joao Pedro has been incredible since switching to the above. Bankrupting myself with future instalments for him and Pedro Neto may work out if I can get into Europe. Probably going to sell Salisu due to half the world wanting him - hopefully get £40m+.

[Dark Soldier]

Plays insane defensive and attacking football. Probably my favourite tactic in years:

https://i.gyazo.com/9f7d56648d98d50a5af72da686f9b46b.png

Monaco in EL quarters:

https://i.gyazo.com/b035bb36ffee8fccade3d806a897ac0d.png

[Waffdon]

I've just clocked that Endrick isn't on my save and now I'm sad. No idea why either, I have the Brazilian top two leagues loaded up from the get-go.

[Danny]

Finally started last night. Ended up going with Crewe. I normally do academy only, play for a quite a few years, win nothing important and just lose interest. Haven't decided what I want to do here. First window I didn't sign anyone because the one player identified, Cole Dasilva, decided to take a bit more money and drop down to Wrexham.

Got through to the middle of Sept. Unbeaten in the league with 6 wins from 7. Out of the Carabao to Bolton on pens and a Penalty Win in the Pizza Cup.

[Dark Soldier]

The defence AI in this is beyond a fucking joke. They've dialled the new randomness feature to 11.

Last year you could have Conference sides playing like Prime Barca, now its gone the other way where Prime Barca would look like Northwich.

[Baz]

Just beat FC St. Helens 25-0 in a friendly. :D

Firminho got 9 and Salah got 8.

[Baz]

https://i.imgur.com/o3XN7kG.png

Community Shield was exciting.

[Waffdon]

https://i.ibb.co/vvYt2H9/FM23.png

Probably need to win the EL or qualify for the CL this year. Lovely looking figures. :lol:

Did get Man City offering £55m for Joao Pedro but I don't want to lose him.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Sampdoria 2022/23 Season Update:

Transfers In:

https://i.imgur.com/Kfv2X5y.png

£5m. My board were SEETHING when I spent so much on him but he's played fairly well, he looks brilliant and his value has shot up.

https://i.imgur.com/5jZ14Xz.png

On loan with a semi-hefty loan fee paid but he was massive for us at times.

https://i.imgur.com/GQRJ1fK.png

He, like the next few names below, were signed on a free for the Summer but I paid for them now. He cost £700k and became our starting AMR.

https://i.imgur.com/xN504vn.png

£120k to bring him in now and I used him all across the front line.

https://i.imgur.com/vtNtJlP.png

£125k and I thought it was a bargain at the time but he's had a few injuries and really struggled when played.

https://i.imgur.com/suqpiLD.png

A loanee for peanuts on deadline day and arguably the reason we finished where we finished this season.

Transfers Out:

Only one sale for me which was Quagliarella for £17.75m. Massive fee for a player I wasn't planning on using.

League:

https://i.imgur.com/XKtDgmP.png

We looked dead and buried after my first few games and the board were looking to sack me. At one point I was at a D, insecure and we were playing Inter next. When we lost I thought I would be fired or at the very least called into a meeting. It didn't happen and we started to go on a bit of a run. We then looked safe, took our foot off the gas and got dragged back into the fight. We needed a point in the last game to secure our survival.

https://i.imgur.com/Xsjf69j.png

Jorge was massive during that good run of wins and that's the reason why we survived.

Team:

https://i.imgur.com/IzNT0u8.png
https://i.imgur.com/8cShxbA.png

I want to keep Casadei and Jorge on loan (doesn't look great right now) but the rest of the loanees can go. I want to slash and burn some of the squad and get younger.

Not much money in the kitty to buy so I will have to sell but there's not much value in the squad so I'll have to be a bit shrewd.

[Danny]

Well. Shit.

https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2023-early-access-beta-bugs-tracker/759_all-other-issues/no-technical-player-development-r8437/

I just got my first preview and it looks good, relative obviously, but if players don’t improve what’s the point!

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I also had a fairly good preview (and then intake), I had heard about that but had hoped it wasn't too bad/people who moaning too much.

[John Arne]

Well. Shit.

https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2023-early-access-beta-bugs-tracker/759_all-other-issues/no-technical-player-development-r8437/

I just got my first preview and it looks good, relative obviously, but if players don’t improve what’s the point!

I know they work on a lot of things - but this is the sort of stuff I'm always surprised doesn't get picked up during internal testing. Surely they carry out set tests (like the guy did in the thread and holiday forward and measures 2022 v 2032) - like this is pretty basic stuff.
I guess this is the point of having a Beta, but it still comes across as a bit of a oversight.

Edit: some of the replies in that thread are golden. Some arsey little teenagers demanding immediate answers from SI for the "game breaking bug". Entitled little cunts.

[Ben]

How do they manage to fuck up something like this? The game is clearly just a re-skin of 22 and I would have thought that iteration had player development, so to delete it out is a good effort.

[wullie]

Only gave it a very brief go but I've noticed that when you now try to sign a freebie you get a prompt to speak to their agent before offering a contract, agent then tells you to fuck off and make an offer before they'll say what contact they're after. Love the busywork

[Baz]

I tried to loan someone and they insisted on a mandatory future fee of £49m. Er no, remove and don’t allow it. They came back with the same offer I’d suggested and the text said they insist on the mandatory future fee of £49m but it wasn’t in the negotiation. Accepted, got him, no future fee.

Use it at your leisure.

[Ben]

That's like the old CM3 trick where you'd make a ridiculous offer just to have it accepted then after offering a contract alter the fee to £0 and it would go through as a free transfer. They never learn.

[Shindig]

"Sure, I'll give you £20m after 25 international appearances." My favourite is the CM2 version of Ben's. Have a daft offer accepted, dumb it down to nothing and then cancel it. The cancelled offer stands.

[Dark Soldier]

Next year they bring in Women's football so expect absolutely nothing else to change or get fixed.

Astonishing how they fuck it up every year yet we keep coming back.

[Waffdon]

I was quite enjoying this save as well. Not getting any increases in Technical attributes would be annoying as fuck though.

[Dark Soldier]

Yeah I've binned it, that plus the defence AI means I'll wait for a patch or two.

[Yevrah]

FFS. Finally got into a game (with Milan) as well.

[Waffdon]

I'll still keep playing along. There's enough good players with monster technical's at a young age with the mental/physical being the issue. Would have been nice to see how good Lavia would have got - 2nd season and all his mentals are 14+ and every single physical is 15 or 14 minus the jumping reach.

[Dark Soldier]

There's also a bug of being able to bring anyone to any club on Trial and they just accept.

Haaland at Bamber Bridge etc. Can just bring your oppositions main stars in for 2 weeks before you play em.

I swear their testers do fuck all.

[Manc]

Have the changes to the ME improved it to any degree? With the rule change to the European format being implemented, I may just stick with '22.

[Dark Soldier]

It's just a reskin mate. Supporter Confidence doesn't work, Squad Planner is crap, Scouting is worse and the ME has a random element now that makes elite defenders play like Fat Barry from the pub.

[Giggles]

There's also a bug of being able to bring anyone to any club on Trial and they just accept.

Haaland at Bamber Bridge etc. Can just bring your oppositions main stars in for 2 weeks before you play em.

I swear their testers do fuck all.

:D I’d nearly buy it just for that mess.

[Waffdon]

Can't believe Szoboszlai only costs £22m in season 2. Absolute cheat code as a Mezzala for the 2nd game running.

[Baz]

There's also a bug of being able to bring anyone to any club on Trial and they just accept.Palace rejected my trial offer of their goalkeepers. :sorry:

[Waffdon]

Yeah, I just tried to take Salah on trial and was rejected too. :D

[Gray Fox]

Is everyone having this non-development bug or is it just a few people?

[Dark Soldier]

Yeah, I just tried to take Salah on trial and was rejected too. :D

It's what I saw on Twitter, no editor yet so fuck knows how they're doing it then.

Multiple screenshots relayed by different accounts of different players.

I'll try it later

[Dark Soldier]

Is everyone having this non-development bug or is it just a few people?

Your own development is fine. Works as intended.

Its AI development that is fecked.

[Danny]

Your own development is fine. Works as intended.

Its AI development that is fecked.

Where did you see that?

[Dark Soldier]

Where did you see that?

Few people on a Discord said it and I had Shoretire develop his technicals well first season at United. Went up 2 in dribbling, first touch etc.

Tbf they may not improve much beyond that as only dod a season but it's known in FM AI development is gash so wouldn't be surprised if its just their side that's bugged.

I've joined clubs before and had DCs training corners etc.

[Waffdon]

If my own development is fine then I’m not arsed. I’ve seen a fair few screenshots of Endrick in the future and he has Haaland type physicals, multiple 20s for his mental but not a single technical stat over 15.

[Danny]

Interesting. Will keep an eye out to see if thats floated about on the SI thread.

I did have that on mine too, some very weird focuses when I started.

[Dark Soldier]

Last year it was regens stopping appearing after 5 years. I did a 20 year holiday save and literally no regens were appearing from any leagues you didn't have loaded so was swamped with just English regens.

They fuck something majorly every year.

[Luke Emia]

Last year it was regens stopping appearing after 5 years. I did a 20 year holiday save and literally no regens were appearing from any leagues you didn't have loaded so was swamped with just English regens.

They fuck something majorly every year.

I'm sure this was an issue with the regens not developing only a couple of years ago.

[Dark Soldier]

The code must be an absolute mess, it's still exactly the same engine as 08 essentially. Just add one line and ten things break.

[Danny]

If my own development is fine then I’m not arsed. I’ve seen a fair few screenshots of Endrick in the future and he has Haaland type physicals, multiple 20s for his mental but not a single technical stat over 15.

Yeah, thats the sort of thing I saw too.

I am fine with everyone else missing a year of development if mine is working and its fixed going forward.

[wullie]

I didn't get the trial thing on mine, tried to have a look at Sunderland's entire first time just before they were coincidentally due to play us. They all said no and then beat us 2-1 for the insolence

[Dark Soldier]

Yeah didnt work for me but half of twitter said it did. Fuck knows.


Currently trialing sending my GK and every singe player forward on set pieces. Already got me 3 FK goals and a corner in two matches.

[randomlegend]

Wonder if the non-development thing is deliberate as a soft cap on how many seasons people can play the beta for.

[Ben]

They aren’t that intelligent.

[Yevrah]

There'd also be no point as you need to buy the full game to get the beta anyway.

[randomlegend]

There was no point limiting the beta to one season by the same logic but they still used to do it.

Unless the beta was free back then I suppose, I honestly can't remember.

[Gray Fox]

It just looks like they've misplaced some of the values for development.

The images I've seen have mentals and physicals going up way too quickly. Some 18/19 year olds with the mental attributes you'd expect of a 30 year old model professional.

[Danny]

Probably flying up to account for the ceiling on technical attributes. Have to reach that potential somehow.

[Yevrah]

Unless I'm doing something wrong, scouting seems utterly fucked. I can't find out how to do a normal scouting assignment (unless a recommendation for one for a competition appears in my inbox) and setting up a recruitment focus pretty much returns fuck all.

[Baz]

Same.

Thankfully my main (only?) save will be with TTH where I won't really need to scout, but it would be nice if it actually worked so I could generate a little money making loan factory like Chelsea.

[Dark Soldier]

Loads of posts on SI forums saying as I said before, human development of players is fine. Seems AI training is bugged or summat.

[Danny]

https://i.redd.it/z0tr323ymtv91.jpg

:lol:

[Yevrah]

After numerous aborted saves I've finally got into one with Milan. Just after the transfer window and we're hammering the league:

https://i.postimg.cc/LXqgFNwY/League.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

We lost the super cup match to Inter which was annoying, but have Fiorentina in the Semi's of the Italian Cup and RB Salzburg in the Champions League last 16.

Players In

https://i.postimg.cc/NjfMwdrs/IN.jpg (https://postimages.org/)[/url]

Players Out

[url=https://postimages.org/]https://i.postimg.cc/ZYHzh4PN/OUT.jpg (https://poemsonly.com/poem/1516)

Slowly getting rid of the shit and fleshing out the core of fantastic players Milan have. The usual suspects remain excellent, but Charles De Ket is a superstar in the making.

[Baz]

That Norwegian left winger you signed looks good.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, high hopes for him. His stamina and strength are a bit wank, but the rest of his stats are shit hot for an 18 year old. Scalvini looks like he could be the bollocks too.

[Danny]

He’s one I have seen people raving about. Be interested to see how he turns out once they fix dev

[Yevrah]

Indeed. I'd like to say I found him through the revamped scouting, but given that doesn't seem to work it was from a Work The Space video.

[Danny]

I saw that one too. That Turkish kid had me wondering why his technicals didn’t improve but it never twigged it was bugged

[Yevrah]

Oh and I've not played long enough to judge properly, but I think DS is probably right about your own player's technical stats improving. A load of my players have arrows on their technicals indicating they're improving.

I'll start a new game when the problem is patched either way, but I reckon I can live with it for the beta. Not that it should have ever happened mind.

[Waffdon]

Milan’s core team are ridiculous on FM. Keeper, Kululu/Tomori/Hernandez in defence, Tonali in midfield and Leao up front.

That Roony Bardghji looks obscene as well but the little cunt won’t join me other than on loan.

[randomlegend]

Milan’s core team are ridiculous on FM. Keeper, Kululu/Tomori/Hernandez in defence, Tonali in midfield and Leao up front.

That Roony Bardghji looks obscene as well but the little cunt won’t join me other than on loan.

If they'll join on loan you can sometimes get them permanently by doing a loan with option/obligation to buy. Or you could on 22 anyway.

[CJay]

Can someone explain how Touch compares with the full-featured game? Does it feel really mobile game-y (no thanks) or is it more just FM-lite (yes please)?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Milan’s core team are ridiculous on FM. Keeper, Kululu/Tomori/Hernandez in defence, Tonali in midfield and Leao up front.

That Roony Bardghji looks obscene as well but the little cunt won’t join me other than on loan.

He's just become interested in joining my team.

I guess I have a January transfer lined up.

[Dark Soldier]

Oh and I've not played long enough to judge properly, but I think DS is probably right about your own player's technical stats improving. A load of my players have arrows on their technicals indicating they're improving.

I'll start a new game when the problem is patched either way, but I reckon I can live with it for the beta. Not that it should have ever happened mind.

They've basically said the fix will apply to save files when it comes.

If you're like 5/10 years in though it doesn't retroactively fix any attributes so technicals will be behind.

[Waffdon]

He's just become interested in joining my team.

I guess I have a January transfer lined up.

The Scandi’s seem to be a goldmine for players especially if you’re not a properly elite team. Same as the Brazilians, all so cheap and seem overpowered.

[Giggles]

Can someone explain how Touch compares with the full-featured game? Does it feel really mobile game-y (no thanks) or is it more just FM-lite (yes please)?

Touch was always like one of the older versions of the game before it became too bloated. FM Mobile was the one that was just a click-through waste of time.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The Scandi’s seem to be a goldmine for players especially if you’re not a properly elite team. Same as the Brazilians, all so cheap and seem overpowered.

He's not Scandi or Brazilian but this guy has been my best find thus far:

https://i.imgur.com/d1TlQxf.png

£5m although I could have gotten him for cheaper I feel.

[Waffdon]

I tried to sign him but signed too many under 21 year old foreigners so he fucked off to Italy. Most annoying rule in history.

[Boydy]

Touch was always like one of the older versions of the game before it became too bloated. FM Mobile was the one that was just a click-through waste of time.

FM Mobile is like prime CM 01/02. I fucking love it.

[Dark Soldier]

Update is out fixing development issue. Save game compatible.

[Yevrah]

Cheers DS.

Through to the CL Quarters with Milan.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKNh5rWn/CL.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

PSG no doubt in the semis if we beat Inter.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Joachim Low was in charge of Roma (Mourinho got sacked last season) and he jumped to Spurs who fired Conte last season and Bielsa a couple of weeks ago.

They interviewed me and I didn't think I'd be offered the job as I asked for a much larger transfer budget (they said £800k and bumped it to £2m) but they did offer me the job. I am not planning on accepting it.

However, as they offered me the job Leicester City (who fired Rodgers last season and Koeman this season) have interviewed me:

https://i.imgur.com/bhqGykT.png

If they come knocking I'm jumping ship.

[Dark Soldier]

Settled on my final beta tactic:

https://i.gyazo.com/ce7f8de9389462221c0f2e83c391ca11.png

Devastating.

[Giggles]

Touch will hit Apple Arcade on the 8th of November.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Joachim Low was in charge of Roma (Mourinho got sacked last season) and he jumped to Spurs who fired Conte last season and Bielsa a couple of weeks ago.

They interviewed me and I didn't think I'd be offered the job as I asked for a much larger transfer budget (they said £800k and bumped it to £2m) but they did offer me the job. I am not planning on accepting it.

However, as they offered me the job Leicester City (who fired Rodgers last season and Koeman this season) have interviewed me:

https://i.imgur.com/bhqGykT.png

If they come knocking I'm jumping ship.

Bastards hired Niko Kovac. They waited until 8 days before the window closed so I haven't been doing deals just in case.

[Baz]

I can't sort out a defence for love nor money.

Had a test season with Asane in Norway for one reason and one reason only. We'll get to that... We were predicted to come 11th out of 16.

My tactic:
https://i.imgur.com/7aSGMwB.png

Final table:
https://i.imgur.com/h9MV4C5.png

Lost in the playoff semi.

But yes you saw right. Morten Gamst Pedersen. He absolutely ripped it up. :drool:

https://i.imgur.com/OHB2Cga.png

[Dark Soldier]

Set BPDs to Cover and put pressing at max. That is the best you will get.

Defence is just fucked though regardless.

[Danny]

They forgot to make the scarf scale :lol:https://i.redd.it/wjhjgah30xv91.png

[Gray Fox]

So if scarves are in, maybe Baz can fulfil his dream and make MJF in FM.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.imgur.com/jfnlXBK.png

I really need to make this guy's loan permanent.

I'll have to wait until his loan is done though as the future fee in his loan deal is £51m and they wont negotiate because why would they?

13 goals from 21(1) games from CM.

[John Arne]

They forgot to make the scarf scale :lol:https://i.redd.it/wjhjgah30xv91.png

Imagine that meeting in the offices...

"Ok, Dave you will be working on the AI tactics, Simon you are developing dynamic youth ratings, Lucy - get the regen devleopment a bit sharper, Gary - create a scarf that players can add to their avatar. See you in 9 months, lads".

[Baz]

13 goals from 21(1) games from CM.What role does he have set?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What role does he have set?
Mezzala on attack.

[John Arne]

Nordsjaelland's squad is even more mental on FM23.

https://gyazo.com/936b36b5178cc15323862ec116c71138.jpeg

[Baz]

Get them as your feeder club. :drool:

[John Arne]

Think they'll be my full save post-Beta.

[Baz]

Set BPDs to Cover and put pressing at max. That is the best you will get.

Defence is just fucked though regardless.Did this and a quick holiday test with Wrexham default squad (predicted 1st)

https://i.imgur.com/64V8lmj.png

https://i.imgur.com/qSEcHaz.png

Still absolutely diabolic defending. :lol:

Mullin scored 61 in 60 games wow.

[ScousePig]

Sounds alright to me. If you played two attacking wing backs in a back four and a roaming playmaker in real life with two attacking central midfielders and a high press, you'd concede a boat load.

Options I'd be looking at:
-change your mentality to balanced
-change RPM to DM or Half Back.
-either switch your wing backs or central midfielders to support rather than attack - one of them needs to be covering the other when they go forward. You could do it assymetrically so that one full back supports and one attacks, and his 'partner' compliments him.
-Turn off counter and counter press.
-Change one BPD to a CD.

[Ben]

I can't sort out a defence for love nor money.

Had a test season with Asane in Norway for one reason and one reason only. We'll get to that... We were predicted to come 11th out of 16.

My tactic:
https://i.imgur.com/7aSGMwB.png

I feel like a proper fossil asking this but what the fuck is the difference between AF, CF and PF? And what is a MEZ, RPM, CWB and BPD? I guess SK is Sweeper Keeper so I'm not completely ancient.

[Gray Fox]

Sounds alright to me. If you played two attacking wing backs in a back four and a roaming playmaker in real life with two attacking central midfielders and a high press, you'd concede a boat load.

https://cdn1.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/images/methode/2017/02/05/922cfb82-eb53-11e6-925a-a992a025ddf7_image_hires.JPG

[ScousePig]

Even Klopp isn't that expansive. DM instead of RPM and either two Carrlieros or a Carrilero and Mezzala on support.

[ScousePig]

I feel like a proper fossil asking this but what the fuck is the difference between AF, CF and PF? And what is a MEZ, RPM, CWB and BPD? I guess SK is Sweeper Keeper so I'm not completely ancient.

An Advanced Forward will play extremely high up and not engage too much in build up play. He'll play off the last man and look to stretch the opposition defence and want balls in behind, so make sure you have players supporting him or he'll become isolated. A bit like what I expected Haaland to be like but he's a bit different under Guardiola.

A Pressing Forward has a range of duties but will generally harry and defend from the front. Like Diego Costa.

A Complete Forward will do a bit of everything so he needs good all round stats, including aerially. Think Ross Stewart.

A Mezzala is a central midfielder who will look to attack. The difference between a CM attack or BBM midfielder is that a Mezzala will drift wide into the half spaces/channels when attacking (like De Bruyne), so try not to have that space occupied by someone else (though they do often compliment inside forwards or inverted wingers quite well as one is running from inside out, and the other outside in).

A Roaming Playmaker is someone who your team will look to play through, just like a standard playmaker. The difference is he'll be a lot more mobile than a typical playmaker who can often be quite stationary, so he needs good physicals.

A Ball Playing Defender will take more risks with his passing than a regular central defender. However, all this really means is he'll attempt more long range passes that are less likely to come off than risky short passes to close-by teammates. So be wary of this role if you're trying to build out from the back.

[Gray Fox]

Also a CWB is a Complete Wing Back. One who is equally adept at going forwards as he is defensively, however wants to be on the front foot pushing forwards. He'd also need to be quite physically gifted.

Someone like Trent Alexander-Arnold would not fit this as he doesn't have the ability to charge up and down and lacks something defensively. He is your traditional Wing Back.

An example of a CWB is more Reece James(Hi Waff). You perhaps lose some amount going forwards, but he's more physically gifted and a better defender, even though he still likes to move forwards.

[ScousePig]

Assuming that this is now the place for FM22 updates...

I finally continued my Arsenal save after barely playing for a few weeks.

https://i.ibb.co/GMx39r3/End-of-season-table.png (https://ibb.co/ZgL1Sb1)

https://i.ibb.co/v3x59Gm/End-of-season-competitions.png (https://ibb.co/ZB6s9PK)

https://i.ibb.co/GxLrSKd/End-of-season-schedule-1.png (https://ibb.co/xC0rTp2)

https://i.ibb.co/gPLfrV9/End-of-season-schedule-2.png (https://ibb.co/fnzyXvF)

https://i.ibb.co/dJ2jp6V/End-of-season-schedule-3.png (https://ibb.co/YTkPd81)

https://i.ibb.co/rG9nZZS/End-of-season-squad.png (https://ibb.co/tMRybbt)


Mission accomplished. It was very easy in the league as you can see, and winning the FA Cup means I can now move on. The Champions League was an added bonus, and we also won the FIFA Club World Cup in the summer. So the plan would be to find a job in Germany, France or Italy. However, plot twist...I've decided to stay.

Two reasons really. I signed loads of youngsters and I want to see them develop a bit, plus Arsenal already had some good players breaking through. Also, I'm fed up with playing 4-3-3, at least for the time being, as it's just too easy once you get to this level. So I had a fire sale:

https://i.ibb.co/7WC0B90/Transfers-out-1.png (https://ibb.co/gT9cQnc)

https://i.ibb.co/rF6JFpL/Transfers-out-2.png (https://ibb.co/7jWFjpT)

Just focus on the highlighted players. Most of my established first teamers who were all the wrong side of 30, or approaching it. I generated well in excess of £300m and completely slashed the wage bill. My signings from January and over the summer:

https://i.ibb.co/q96CQfB/Signing-Togni.png (https://ibb.co/bLtF9Z1)

https://i.ibb.co/WKVpz7T/Signing-Scalvini.png (https://ibb.co/88Y4xGh)

https://i.ibb.co/Wggky6H/Signing-Muller.png (https://ibb.co/NZZ9jsF)

https://i.ibb.co/KDS2Xg2/Signing-Cezar.png (https://ibb.co/LrHx8yx)

https://i.ibb.co/KmCwmrH/Signing-Moriba.png (https://ibb.co/fQmvQx7)

https://i.ibb.co/TKFSKSy/Signing-Jose-Felipe.png (https://ibb.co/cb7HbHq)

https://i.ibb.co/QkXhxg3/Signing-Mcalister.png (https://ibb.co/LrvBsFX)

https://i.ibb.co/t3MhL1z/Signing-Bezerra.png (https://ibb.co/fQYSDT9)

https://i.ibb.co/drt0Mgv/Signing-Mansilla.png (https://ibb.co/80bDscw)

https://i.ibb.co/5TfBWCx/Signing-Petrony.png (https://ibb.co/xhRJSw8)

https://i.ibb.co/F3NLLGf/Signing-Thyago.png (https://ibb.co/4t9nnBD)

A mixture of promising players and established first teamers, but all young with just a couple in their mid-twenties. Some of those went out on loan last season despite being Premier League standard already, and hardly any of those signed in January featured. Before the cull, I had decided to have a go at these two shapes as they fit the current players well.

https://i.ibb.co/SBkMGP3/4-1-3-2.png (https://ibb.co/rHBzNmw)

https://i.ibb.co/VSK9Wjr/4-1-5.png (https://ibb.co/ncWmsgZ)

However, once I made the changes I had to start again, and I've come up with these three:

https://i.ibb.co/YWNY1pc/4-1-3-2-v2.png (https://ibb.co/thHkv8q)

https://i.ibb.co/qyq2LJf/4-2-3-1-narrow.png (https://ibb.co/8KvQnYp)

https://i.ibb.co/TkPkrQq/4-2-4.png (https://ibb.co/t4Y430P)

As opposed to the bog standard 4-3-3:

https://i.ibb.co/1bykTQs/4-3-3.png (https://ibb.co/7bMqKCg)

I'll be keeping a close eye on things as the complete change in personnel and shape could backfire spectacularly. Here's my current squad:

https://i.ibb.co/r033kyP/Squad.png (https://ibb.co/wg77y6H)

I'm also now second in the English managers Hall of Fame, with Bob Paisley some way ahead.

[Baz]

Sounds alright to me. If you played two attacking wing backs in a back four and a roaming playmaker in real life with two attacking central midfielders and a high press, you'd concede a boat load.

Options I'd be looking at:
-change your mentality to balanced
-change RPM to DM or Half Back.
-either switch your wing backs or central midfielders to support rather than attack - one of them needs to be covering the other when they go forward. You could do it assymetrically so that one full back supports and one attacks, and his 'partner' compliments him.
-Turn off counter and counter press.
-Change one BPD to a CD.

Cheers. Will give this a go.

I’m trying to get success with this formation as it should fit the TTH squad nicely, so hoping to get the tactic as solid as possible before 8th November.

Changing from DM to RPM seemed to revolutionise the whole thing though. Went from always getting 6 ratings to actually being involved with loads of goals and assists (from defensive midfield position blows my tiny mind) and decent ratings. I might make my player a RPM. :D

If we have an advanced forward with 20 finishing, it will be game breaking.

[Dark Soldier]

Sounds alright to me. If you played two attacking wing backs in a back four and a roaming playmaker in real life with two attacking central midfielders and a high press, you'd concede a boat load.

Options I'd be looking at:
-change your mentality to balanced
-change RPM to DM or Half Back.
-either switch your wing backs or central midfielders to support rather than attack - one of them needs to be covering the other when they go forward. You could do it assymetrically so that one full back supports and one attacks, and his 'partner' compliments him.
-Turn off counter and counter press.
-Change one BPD to a CD.

It doesn't matter what you play. The defence AI in the beta is absolutely flawed. You can pick any setting but CBs will still just stand there as forwards go past them, or run away from active through balls.

[Giggles]

It doesn't matter what you play. The defence AI in the beta is absolutely flawed. You can pick any setting but CBs will still just stand there as forwards go past them, or run away from active through balls.

Does that really matter though? The way I always thought of it was the result was pre determined, to a sort of random extent based on whatever way it’s programmed, and the highlights were just some window dressing to make it seem a bit more realistic. Granted it would look better if the passage of play more closely matched real life, but the goal is going in regardless.

[Dark Soldier]

I'm with you, I'm fine with mistakes and all that jazz. Currently though the AI literally just stops working, it is actually broken.

There's clips of defenders on defend stay back running up to striker positions as the opposition attacks leaving them free on goal etc.

It just needs tweaking/fixing is all. All players make mistakes and that should be in the match engine but when it's near every game its beyond stupid, especially at the higher levels.

[Baz]

Sounds alright to me. If you played two attacking wing backs in a back four and a roaming playmaker in real life with two attacking central midfielders and a high press, you'd concede a boat load.

Options I'd be looking at:
-change your mentality to balanced
-change RPM to DM or Half Back.
-either switch your wing backs or central midfielders to support rather than attack - one of them needs to be covering the other when they go forward. You could do it assymetrically so that one full back supports and one attacks, and his 'partner' compliments him.
-Turn off counter and counter press.
-Change one BPD to a CD.

Gonna try this:

https://i.imgur.com/u5hCEyg.png

Actually I've switched the complete forward to target forward cos I can't find any complete forwards. :rosebud:

[ScousePig]

If as DS says it's fucked, then it might not make much difference. However, I'd be wary of having two centre backs on cover with what I assume is the old offside trap enabled. I only tend to play cover duty if the centre backs have very low aggression but read the game well (anticipation) and have acceleration good for the respective league (so 15-16 in the Premier League.

I'd keep an eye on the wing backs and make sure they're still working those wide channels enough, and you may find you have more of an overload on the left with the Mezzala.

[Dark Soldier]

I mainly use Cover as it is the only way to get CBs to do anything resembling pressing. But then I have 8 attack duties, 1 support and 2 defend.

Also almost had a nap during this shootout, won 19-18:

https://i.gyazo.com/f2deee087245de16c581d00c489730c7.png

[Baz]

For context, when testing I spend about 30 minutes doing pre-season, buying the right players for the tactic while selling off everyone else who won't play to raise some money. Except for Wrexham where I did nothing cos I was at work. I then go on holiday for the whole season, with the tactic and starting XI set.

For Heerenveen I signed Adriano at left back, a target forward who also became captain, and the legend that is Ragnar Klavan.

We were predicted to come 8th from 18. They're currently 7th in real life. We scraped 4th. :cool:

https://i.imgur.com/8uEhtZh.png

Defence still a complete shambles, so Dark Soldier is definitely correct. Wrexham had the 3rd most conceded, but at least here we're only 4th worst. #progress :D

https://i.imgur.com/SB0GOsG.png

A few things to note here:
- Amin Sarr is a beast. Not quite Paul Mullin numbers but 41 in 35 is still class.
- Ciofani the Target Forward got 11 assists, so does seem more effective than the Complete Forward. Also easier to find!
- Halilovic the Roaming Playmaker got 7 assists. I'll certainly take that
- The Mezzala (Haye in this case) is usually the best player behind the Advanced Forward (Sarr) but it just wasn't the case here. In fact, the new Carrilero (Olsson) role performed better. Based on previous form, I'll keep these as is, but it will be weird if they somehow don't work well together.
- Adrian (left wing back) got 14 assists, which is great. We only scored 6 from corners so it's not even massively skewed. I think I'll stick with Wing Back rather than Complete Wingback. The right back is just plain bad, hence less assists.

[wullie]

The conversation system is still great.

Just wanted to say your recent form has been great, keep it up

OH YEAH I THINK YOU AND I DIFFER ON WHAT GREAT IS DICKHEAD

Ok, agree to disagree

NO THAT'S THE LAST STRAW, UR DEAD TO ME AND I WON'T FORGET THIS

*You have upset the entire squad*

[Dark Soldier]

I've been conceding way less with these OIs every game, seems to put even more pressure on AI and you win the ball way more:

https://i.gyazo.com/46f3c3af4e07639f497d48cacfbc3b88.png

[Shindig]

A tale as old as time. I still prefer the Defend/No Comment/Criticise days but even that shits the occasional bed.

[ScousePig]

I mainly use Cover as it is the only way to get CBs to do anything resembling pressing. But then I have 8 attack duties, 1 support and 2 defend.

Also almost had a nap during this shootout, won 19-18:

https://i.gyazo.com/f2deee087245de16c581d00c489730c7.png

Do you find the eight attack duties is overkill or wrecks the fluidity of your football? I went through a stage of trying to ensure I had five attack duties across the five channels when playing against a back four, then making it six against a back five, but ultimately realised it didn't really matter too much and I could add more.

Now I just try to ensure I have at least five, but as many as seven with my DM supporting (unless the opposition play two strikers in which case he'll become a half back) and two centre backs on defend. I tend to turn any attack/advanced playmakers into false nines and my inside forwards/inverted wingers will either be on attack or support - depending on whether I play with false nines or advanced forwards.

[Dark Soldier]

I find its beautiful to look at, especially this ME. Gegen + attack is still OP but im seeing some wonderful fluid forward play, they have definitely improved that part. All kinds of goals, including overhead kicks and mad volleys.

[ScousePig]

Baz, any quick striker who can also dribble and finish should score loads.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The conversation system is still great.

Just wanted to say your recent form has been great, keep it up

OH YEAH I THINK YOU AND I DIFFER ON WHAT GREAT IS DICKHEAD

Ok, agree to disagree

NO THAT'S THE LAST STRAW, UR DEAD TO ME AND I WON'T FORGET THIS

*You have upset the entire squad*

If they're on a 2+ year contract I'll just call them a cunt and then give them a new 5 contract when they decide to forgive me in 8-13 months.

During my Pogon Siedlce save in FM 22 I had a couple of guys who were mad at me from the July-May/June and then they'd keep signing a new contract during the months they didn't mind me.

[Dark Soldier]

https://i.gyazo.com/58390fc0c3bdfbe5a71c2b69588a490f.png


Basically stuck with this now (BPDs on Cover), it plays as a 424 really but its so, so fun going forward. Its on FMBase (4114sirjur) alongside my 352sirjur for lesser teams.

[ScousePig]

The conversation system is still great.

Just wanted to say your recent form has been great, keep it up

OH YEAH I THINK YOU AND I DIFFER ON WHAT GREAT IS DICKHEAD

Ok, agree to disagree

NO THAT'S THE LAST STRAW, UR DEAD TO ME AND I WON'T FORGET THIS

*You have upset the entire squad*

Man management and motivation levels of your manager will help with this. I just end the conversation when they come out with that.

[ScousePig]

I find its beautiful to look at, especially this ME. Gegen + attack is still OP but im seeing some wonderful fluid forward play, they have definitely improved that part. All kinds of goals, including overhead kicks and mad volleys.

That's good as it becomes a pain when you score the same goal over and over. Central midfield attack just marauding free through the middle is something they never seem to fix.

[Dark Soldier]

That's good as it becomes a pain when you score the same goal over and over. Central midfield attack just marauding free through the middle is something they never seem to fix.

That still happens but movement seems better. My strikers are scoring the majority and IFs work very well again. Two strikers is OP. Three is lacking, one is decent.

[ScousePig]

Basically stuck with this now (BPDs on Cover), it plays as a 424 really but its so, so fun going forward. Its on FMBase (4114sirjur) alongside my 352sirjur for lesser teams.

That shape is identical to what I've landed on for Arsenal in my new season. Slightly different roles, duties and style, but similar principles.

[ScousePig]

That still happens but movement seems better. My strikers are scoring the majority and IFs work very well again. Two strikers is OP. Three is lacking, one is decent.

I've preferred two false nines either side of an advanced froward than inside forwards for FM22, if you have the players. They play more as I'd want the wide forwards to, except they often don't track the full backs.

[Dark Soldier]

I used to set outer strikers to man mark full backs in 22. Out of possession they sit on them then in possession they form the 3 centrally. Worked well.

[Manc]

I've preferred two false nines either side of an advanced froward than inside forwards for FM22, if you have the players. They play more as I'd want the wide forwards to, except they often don't track the full backs.

Currently utilizing this very front three in my current save ('22) and it's working wonders.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

First choice keeper (Pierluigi Gollini) has been shocking this season. We will have games with an xG against us of sub 1 and he'll let in 3.

He has 3 clean sheets in 31 games and conceded a whopping 55 goals in those 31 games. In all the fancy goalkeeping charts he's the worst. His xG prevented is -9.2 with a save percentage of just 67.5%.

Decided to bench him for Charlie Setford who has now played 3 games. He has a clean sheet in all those games, xG prevented of 3.5 and an average rating of 7.37. Despite being so much worse on paper than Gollini.

[randomlegend]

You can't have a keeper called Goal-Inny and expect anything other than catastrophe.

[Danny]

This is what I have been rocking tactically

Main tactic. Used at home and when we are away against teams I expect us to beat.

https://i.imgur.com/ApBs0Sw.png


Secondary tactic. Used away from home/after we get comfortable with the above.

https://i.imgur.com/wrfRwo8.png


Third I have been working on should we get promoted/need to become more defensive.

https://i.imgur.com/t6jNQa0.png



Media had us finishing 15th but here is the table Jan 2nd. We are about to lose two decent loans from midfield. The keeper is also only on loan until the end of the season and three players I need to replace them next season (should I stick to youth) are all pissed off. This is going to be fun.

https://i.imgur.com/q4EOEDb.png

[Pen]

FM Mobile is like prime CM 01/02. I fucking love it.

Could you give me a short review what’s good about it and what are the biggest downsides? Thinking of getting it, but I think most people compare it to the full game which I don’t have the time for. If the match engine is decent enough and you can have longish careers without it going to shit, I’d be happy enough with it.

Edit: I seem to have had the 17 version, but iirc that was too simple and easy.

[Waffdon]

2nd last game of the season with 2 of my best players out injured:-

https://i.ibb.co/P1RW1mW/3-1.png

:drool:

Which left the league looking like this:-

https://i.ibb.co/RhTtWnn/table.png

And the final table as follows:-

https://i.ibb.co/hXMKnvg/champs.png

Suiiiiiiiiiiiii

[Waffdon]

https://i.ibb.co/wpbRwH8/bbb.png

Not bad

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Sampdoria 2023/24 Season Update:

Transfers In:

A lot of ins and outs so I'll spoiler the blocks, here are the free transfers:

https://i.imgur.com/u3nRqLk.png

Natural at CDM and CM which is where he played most of his football but I also used him as a backup CB/RB. Can't see him ever getting into the first 11 but he should be a quality backup for a while.

https://i.imgur.com/rwb1692.png

We sold our previous first choice keeper for £5m at the very end of last season and I picked out Gollini as his replacement. He has been terrible (as noted somewhere in a previous post) but after getting dropped for a few games he started doing a little better.

https://i.imgur.com/IFjQzun.png

Wanted him to come in as a backup CDM/CM but he moaned so much throughout the season so I've decided to sell him on for £1.1m in the upcoming window.

https://i.imgur.com/K6j1zC2.png

Surprised to get him on a free, he's been a backup who didn't really do much. I'll probably look to loan him out next year so he can get some minutes under his belt.

https://i.imgur.com/NSc1ekI.png

Another backup option and the last of our freebies. I couldn't say no to The Cat's son who can play all across the front line.

The cash transfers:

https://i.imgur.com/vhxcB4y.png

https://i.imgur.com/JDKPkJb.png

I've probably stacked the midfield too much with backups but 600k seemed a steal. Didn't do much this season for us but he's dicked on people in Venezuela.

https://i.imgur.com/5M87jyr.png

Had to bring in a Polish RB, he's moaned a bit because of he's barely been used but he's also been injured so much especially whenever my first choice RB has been injured/suspended.

https://i.imgur.com/aqJj0gy.png

Quite expensive and he was loaned out almost straight away but he barely fucking played in Serie B. I really need some good full backs.

https://i.imgur.com/fFITpy6.png

I think he could be a bit of a bargain at £5m but I'm a little worried about his ability dropping hard. Juventus want him currently.

https://i.imgur.com/7pUcCSq.png

Natural at CM, RM and AMR so backup for multiple positions. Will probably go out on loan next season.

https://i.imgur.com/2vtfYPD.png

He was mainly bought as the eventual replacement for Casadei (who Chelsea don't want to loan back next season :() but he's played a lot this season at AMR as an IF and done really well. He could be our main man next season.

https://i.imgur.com/ThqW2vU.png

Another AMR, he was going cheap so I thought I might as well. Probably will be sold at some point for profit.

https://i.imgur.com/k5w30HN.png

Our big signing. We're paying most over 12 months (we did a lot of that this year) and at first he was backup to the returning loanee Kaio Jorge. He was doing ok from the bench but then got injured for a bit and it took him a while to get back scoring. He took over as the starter in the final few games and fucking ripped it up:

https://i.imgur.com/6X3rEkJ.png

He wasn't really the starter until just after the Bologna game as I could no longer deny him his place.

https://i.imgur.com/Ghkz1fl.png

The first of my deadline day panic youth signings. I was waiting for the Leicester job and it wasn't until the final week that they named their new manager (it wasn't me) so I instantly went and bought Endrick who arrives in the Summer and I went on a bit crazy on deadline day. Defence is our weakest position so I scooped him up when half scouted, he does not look like the answer.

https://i.imgur.com/UXOR8Wl.png

I don't play with an AMC and he's currently only light green at CM so I'll have to train him there (maybe), bought for profit hopefully.

https://i.imgur.com/tV9ti7O.png

Only half scouted and whilst he's not amazing I do kind of like him despite being horribly slow.

https://i.imgur.com/094DYA9.png

Another half scouted player, doesn't look amazing outside his physicals. The down arrows are worrying.

https://i.imgur.com/uV6PiIM.png

Getting a little better now. Could be a tidy little finisher in his peak.

https://i.imgur.com/l0JZfl1.png

Half scouted and possibly the worst yet. His mentals are shocking. Might struggle to get profit.

https://i.imgur.com/ylwHh4h.png

Another half scouted player I jumped head first into buying which I regret.

https://i.imgur.com/xZEqXpu.png

I was pissed off at Gollini and whilst we do have a good young GK in the squad I wanted someone who could come in and put a bit of pressure on Golllini. I played him 4 times in the league and other than his last game (against Napoli where he conceded a goal) he looked brilliant. Dropping Gollini also helped him get better so it worked out well.

Transfers Out:

https://i.imgur.com/0JX76HC.png

We also had a few move on a free transfer. The big one there is Sabiri, he was a starting CM last year but at the end of the year he wanted a new contract and his demands were shit. We had Casadei sorted plus some new boys so I let him go.

League:

https://i.imgur.com/6OOosBp.png

https://i.imgur.com/rUw1ssh.png
https://i.imgur.com/gaPlyMA.png

We were expected to be in another relegation battle but this team is now really quite good and if it wasn't for goalkeeper mistakes we could have finished 4th or 5th I feel.

Cup:

https://i.imgur.com/kmACQAG.png

Played the kids in the third round as the first 11 were struggling for fitness and we had so many games in a short period of time (we keep getting games postponed due to a waterlogged pitch) so I threw it.

Squad:

https://i.imgur.com/pAHmebp.png

It looks like we're losing Casadei this year as Chelsea are saying they want to give him a chance and he's not interested in a permanent move. The only other loanee I want to bring back is Couto as he's played well this year. Casadei is the best player in this team right now and it's going to be hard replacing his goals from midfield. The other star is Moleiro who is wanted by some big clubs so he might be going too.

Youth Intake:

Forgot to do this last year so these are the best from this intake and the year before:

https://i.imgur.com/ImPuDg7.png
https://i.imgur.com/7FHDcIu.png
https://i.imgur.com/Per1AeR.png
https://i.imgur.com/OzSqFpm.png
https://i.imgur.com/DQ68b1G.png
https://i.imgur.com/Vuznxt0.png
https://i.imgur.com/GYtj7ik.png

Sanna and Pugliese from last year look to be the standouts.

[Baz]

And the final table as follows:-

https://i.ibb.co/hXMKnvg/champs.png

Suiiiiiiiiiiiii27 conceded? Please share your tactic you absolute wizard.


Finally managed to get a tactic that works:

https://i.ibb.co/rH37ZgL/433.png

Still this? Or made any tweaks?

[Manc]

Winning the league with Southampton in year two suggests the improvements to AI management are poppycock.

[Baz]

Or Waff is a wizard.