Sean Dyche sacked

[randomlegend]

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/content/club-statement-sean-dyche

Looking forward to the .wav

[Kikó]

Clearly not a good manager.

[Yevrah]

Indeed. He's 526 games short of being a good manager.

[Ian]

He's not the best manager ever, therefore he's the worst manager ever and Burnley were right to sack him and he should never manage a football club again.

Those are the two options.

[Yevrah]

I don't think anyone is suggesting they are.

The reality is, who actually gives a shit if a football manager is sacked these days?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Disk beard :(

[Kikó]

He's not the best manager ever, therefore he's the worst manager ever and Burnley were right to sack him and he should never manage a football club again.

Those are the two options.

Absolutely this. He's been frauding a living and deserves mocking to the point of suicide.

[Yevrah]

The Steve Bruce stuff cut deep, eh?

[Shindig]

He's taken them as far as he can, to be fair.

[Kikó]

Only question on the Dyche stuff is the timing. It feels like they were a lot worse about 10 games ago so why now. The answer is obviously to get Ten Haag before United

[Gray Fox]

Get Rafa in to keep them up at Evertons expense. That'd be a perfect end to the season.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Another decision taken out of short-term financial desperation, rather than the sound footballing logic which delivers the dough in the long run.

[niko_cee]

Does this make Klopp the league's longest serving manager?

Be interesting to see where Dyche goes from here.

[Yevrah]

Another decision taken out of short-term financial desperation, rather than the sound footballing logic which delivers the dough in the long run.

They're about to get relegated, how does that deviate from sound footballing logic? And football clubs are businesses, hence the financial aspect is huge, are we still pretending this isn't the case?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah but Dyche will get them back, as he has twice before. Sacking him now to take a short term punt is a massive gamble on not just this season's outcomes but the next three or four. Some cretin arriving on 15 April (or later) still takes them down and then they have a load of expensive payroll and no structure in place, whereas with Dyche taking them down you know he has the blueprint to get them back up.

If he failed to deliver on getting them back up is when I would sack him.

[Yevrah]

Fair stance and one that I don't disagree with.

[-james-]

I saw it suggested that he had a massive falling out with the board. There's been hints of that before so it would make a bit of sense. Maybe even engineered it himself, he'll have no shortage of offers for much better jobs.

[Lewis]

He would have been perfect for Everton.

[niko_cee]

Maybe United should take a punt on him.

[Kikó]

We hired the wrong baldie.

[Ian]

Am I being unfair in feeling Burnley have the whiff of a team who, if they go down, will probably stay there for the forseeable?

[niko_cee]

They have the whiff of a team that ought to be in the middle tiers of English football, at best, but the reality appears to be that teams going down often come back in fairly short order [cf the current top 3 in the championship]. I guess owing to the financial disparity they enjoy over the rest of the league.

[Offshore Toon]

The Steve Bruce stuff cut deep, eh?
You can see why tbf. Ever since he dropped below his level and took the West Brom job he's been killing it. Class act.

[Kikó]

The only thing the Steve Bruce argument proved is that yev doesn't understand nuance. There's a small number of managers across the world who have managed 1000+ games, they clearly have something about them.

[Yevrah]

The only thing the Steve Bruce argument proved is that yev doesn't understand nuance. There's a small number of managers across the world who have managed 1000+ games, they clearly have something about them.

Or it proved that you don't understand how someone could get to 1,000 games without being particularly good. I mean, what exactly is it that Steve Bruce has about him?

[Don]

It's a mark of the gammon brigade and their over-reliance on familiar names and no substance. Same reason why England haven't achieved jack-shit nor have any English managers until Potter arrives onto the big scenes and solves both problems.

[Yevrah]

And actually, it's interesting that it's raised in this thread as Sean Dyce is nowhere near 1,000 games and I'd have him over Steve Bruce all day long. It's such a stupid and arbitrary measure to use.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Steve Bruce can be summed up in his record as a manager. 380 wins, 376 losses (the rest of the 1,000 are draws). 4 promotions to the top flight, none of them as title winners. He's just fine. Nothing more, nothing less.

Some owners want that. Many owners, in fact, seeing as 12 clubs have hired him over the last 24 years. Fans hate it. Fans want excitement, optimism and so on, not some guy who's proven himself, over an extended period of time, to be just fine. Owners and fans are in the game for very different reasons.

[Yevrah]

I'm comfortable with fine.

[Don]

If you're a talented manager it's evident. If you're shit, you can still cover for it by sticking to basics and relying on the talent available to you. That's why you get so many chancers with long careers, especially in Brexitland where talent is secondary to just being a white man with a reputation and contacts.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If you're a talented manager it's evident. If you're shit, you can still cover for it by sticking to basics and relying on the talent available to you. That's why you get so many chancers with long careers, especially in Brexitland where talent is secondary to just being a white man with a reputation and contacts.

The people who run football clubs aren't in the business of talent, they're in the business of immediate results.

I don't think it's any different in other countries, either, we just know more about England. Are you telling me those various bald goons who get recycled every year in Serie A are 'talent'?

[Giggles]

Any word on who they’d get in? Are they mad enough to think someone will do a short term save job, or is this to give someone a head start on reshaping things for the Championship next year?

[Kikó]

Steve Bruce can be summed up in his record as a manager. 380 wins, 376 losses (the rest of the 1,000 are draws). 4 promotions to the top flight, none of them as title winners. He's just fine. Nothing more, nothing less.

Some owners want that. Many owners, in fact, seeing as 12 clubs have hired him over the last 24 years. Fans hate it. Fans want excitement, optimism and so on, not some guy who's proven himself, over an extended period of time, to be just fine. Owners and fans are in the game for very different reasons.

Don't disagree with any of that.

[Don]

The people who run football clubs aren't in the business of talent, they're in the business of immediate results.

I don't think it's any different in other countries, either, we just know more about England. Are you telling me those various bald goons who get recycled every year in Serie A are 'talent'?

Immeriate results are better gained through talent than names. Brighton and Brentford have shown the way, the others are just slow to pick up on it. Italy and Germany view the game in a far superior way hence why they have far superior managers.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Any word on who they’d get in? Are they mad enough to think someone will do a short term save job, or is this to give someone a head start on reshaping things for the Championship next year?
Rooney was mentioned but he's not leaving Derby until the end of the season.

[Raoul Duke]

Steve Bruce can be summed up in his record as a manager. 380 wins, 376 losses (the rest of the 1,000 are draws). 4 promotions to the top flight, none of them as title winners. He's just fine. Nothing more, nothing less.

The key thing (nuance, if you will) that this omits is that that is far more consistent than most other managers who either a) don't do anything like that in the first place or b) do it once with a club then shit the bed at the next place. Bruce gives as near-as-damnit guarantee of "fine" which is probably better, from the owner POV, than uncertainty

[Spikey M]

It would be interesting to see how he would do at a top club. He'd be better than the likes of Zidane.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The key thing (nuance, if you will) that this omits is that that is far more consistent than most other managers who either a) don't do anything like that in the first place or b) do it once with a club then shit the bed at the next place. Bruce gives as near-as-damnit guarantee of "fine" which is probably better, from the owner POV, than uncertainty

Exactly - whereas a new name gives the possibility, however remote, of exciting glory, which is what the fan thrives on. When the new name fails, you just get rid and repeat the cycle. Doesn't matter to the fan, because they're only in it for escapism anyway.

[Reg]

Good posts, Raoul & Jim. All I have to add is this photo, seemingly a real pub in Burnley: (big)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQYB7J2XwAATIOG?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Danny]

Very real.

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