Blood on the Clocktower 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Gray Fox]

A new thread so the new info will be easily available.

A familiar feeling has fallen on the town of Ravenswood Bluff. One that was felt not but a few weeks ago. A feeling of murder is in the air. A scream is heard from the town square and you all assemble to find this humble storyteller dead, impaled on the hands of the clocktower. There is an Imp among you. But who?

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I'll go around now and give everyone their roles. Seating position and role were chosen at random by the game I have set up.

I will post once everyone has been informed and we shall begin.

[Baz]

Thomma :D

[Gray Fox]

All players should now be informed of their roles.

The town has awoken for the day, which I'll have last until tomorrow evening.

The Game is On

[Baz]

Share your knowledge boys. Let’s have it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Morning chaps, who wants a chat in private?

[Pleb]

Someone turned off my alarm clock :sherlock:

[Pepe]

I have, from a good source, some very important information:

Mahow is the virgin :henn0rz:

[Pepe]

Does anyone want to give me a quick primer of the rules? My guess is that the blues need to kill those in red, and those in red can kill blues at night. Anything else?

[Pleb]

tldr version Get the Imp

You can only vote once if your dead.

[Gray Fox]

The town needs to kill the Imp. The Imp can confer with their team but the Imp is the only one who makes the kill decision.

Everyone else has some form of power or information, though some may be lying. It's up to you to figure out who.

[Pepe]

If you are a townspeep, are the outsiders your friends or enemies?

[Gray Fox]

Friendly.

[Pleb]

Do we trust Pepe? :sherlock:

[Pepe]

Ok, thanks.

[Pepe]

We do.

Next question?

[Pleb]

How do you like your tacos?

[Boydy]

Let's kill Mahow first lol.

[Pleb]

Howdy neighbour

[P_3]

Have we got any outsider claims? Could do with there being no Drunk in the game.

[Pepe]

How do you like your tacos?

Dripping with meat juice.

Half of you have pmed me. Before the other half does the same: I am not talking to any of you until I figure out what the fuck is going on.

[Pepe]

Let's kill Mahow first lol.

Listen to this wise man.

[Baz]

Everyone I’ve spoken to is a townperson, so either Gray Fox and Browning have messed up or some people are lying.

[Manc]

Guessing you needed the numbers, Gray. :D

Have we got a Chef in play?

[Gray Fox]

Indeed I did :D

And Baz there have been no mistakes.

[niko_cee]

Quiet day in the town.

Is it deliberate that we don't know have the cast breakdown in terms of townfolk, outsiders and bad guys?

[Manc]

I believe so.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

For a 10 player game it should be 7 townies, 0 outsiders, 2 minions and 1 (g)imp.

[Pepe]

What are we supposed to be doing right now? Flinging random accusations?

[Baz]

If anyone who has info so far could share it (privately, if need be) it would be a good start.

It seems like nobody has been told anything, so there’s not much to go off. Might as well blink first and just get sharing. Chef, investigator, librarian etc. spill your beans.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What are we supposed to be doing right now? Flinging random accusations?
Talking to people publicly or privately.

Privately is usually better early on so you can trust some people, gather/share info from a select few to try and paint a picture and try to find some discrepancies in shit you've been told.

[Manc]

Might as well blink first and just get sharing. Chef, investigator, librarian etc. spill your beans.

Hear, hear.

[Gray Fox]

I got distracted by all of the football, but nominations are now open.

[Baz]

With literally nothing to go off, I’m not gonna bother aimlessly trying to executed anybody.

[Pleb]

No outsider claims is sus as I swear one of you likes a drink.

[niko_cee]

Presumably not if the only outsider is the drunk, as they'd have no idea. Oh god, no, not the drunk again.

[Baz]

No outsider claims is sus as I swear one of you likes a drink.What are you implying? :sherlock:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Having just had a massive catch up on how to actually play (that site is very good for existing players but the actual basics are oddly hard to find) - can someone fill me in on the significance of seating position? Is it the order of voting or something, or more than that?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Having just had a massive catch up on how to actually play (that site is very good for existing players but the actual basics are oddly hard to find) - can someone fill me in on the significance of seating position? Is it the order of voting or something, or more than that?

Order of voting is one thing (although we don't follow it here) but more importantly it's for powers.

e.g. The Chef knows if any evil players sit next to each other, the empath knows if the people he's sitting next to are good/bad etc etc.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Ah, gotcha, it's just not brilliantly worded in the cheat sheet above.

Right, we're ready to rumble, albeit with no information, so anything who knows anything is going to have to bleed it out subtly so as not to get rozzered by the imp.

[Pepe]

Does the win condition for the town is to kill the Imp? Or do we need to kill all the bad ones? Unless there is a Scarlet Woman. I guess, then you need to kill both the Imp and her.

Also, do I understand correctly that if the Saint dies, it is an auto-loss for the town?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Does the win condition for the town is to kill the Imp? Or do we need to kill all the bad ones? Unless there is a Scarlet Woman. I guess, then you need to kill both the Imp and her.

Also, do I understand correctly that if the Saint dies, it is an auto-loss for the town?

Just the Imp (and Scarlett Woman if there is one), the imp can also pass it to another minion if they execute themself in the night.

Auto-loss if he's executed during the day.

[Gray Fox]

The Saints role reads. "If you die by execution, your team loses."

[niko_cee]

So what I'm getting so far is Pleb [soft?] claiming to be the librarian.

Everyone being so guarded makes me think there must be some good info accumulating roles out there. Or maybe it's just Sunday.

[Gray Fox]

Given that it is Sunday, I'm willing to give til 2pm tomorrow for nominations. If there are none I'll bring the day to a close.

[Pleb]

I have, from a good source, some very important information:

Mahow is the virgin :henn0rz:
This post was :sherlock:

I'm willing to nominate Mahow for a Virgin check if anyone is down?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I find it interesting that you're so quick to try and believe Pepe despite it being a joke.

I have only claimed a role to one person and it was not Pepe, as I have told you. As such there are only two ways he would know what my possible role was, if he was the washerwoman (but there would be another person who would be flagged as the potential role too) or if he was a spy. Neither situation would see him blowing information publicly so quickly. It is a clear joke.

I do find it interesting though that you're so quick to believe it and latch onto it but you're not very quick to test it. Wolf much?

[Pepe]

The Saints role reads. "If you die by execution, your team loses."

Is there a different type of death?

[Baz]

Is there a different type of death?Yes; if the imp kills you, you are gimped.

[niko_cee]

So, I'm still getting to grips with the meta here, but given the chance of there being friendly roles who can gather info as the game progresses is it in the town's favour to forego executing given the odds of hitting a home run from nomination would be 1 in 9 (or 1 in 3 for a bad guy assuming there are 3 of them) against the odds of 2/3 of hitting something else, perhaps useful, perhaps not, perhaps devastating?

Got to say I don't get the value of a virgin check until much later in the game. At best you lose a townie to confirm a townie [hardly a great trade], and you lose the chance of the virgin being nominated by someone who doesn't die which would be useful info.

[niko_cee]

Reading that back, I'm not sure either of the statements makes all that much sense.

Looking at the various potential roles it seems some require executions to be effective (or more effective) and whilst I still am undecided on the virgin thing, I suppose learning two players are townies is useful in and of itself as it significantly narrows the bad guy field.

So, apropos of nothing at all I'll nominate Boydy.

[Boydy]

Did you just pick me because I'm at the top of the diagram? :moop:

[niko_cee]

No reason. Do you have a defence? On a scale of 1 to 10 how bad would it be for the town if you died [with 10 being the saint and 1 the imp?].

[Gray Fox]

Niko has nominated Boydy.

Boydy, your defence?

[Browning]

Think we're going to have to open voting on Boydy if we want to end the day at 2pm. This is why I gave 1 hour for defences in the last game.

[niko_cee]

Dunno if we are voting here, and I'm willing to change my mind but in the absence of a defence of any sort my vote would be YES.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Given that we know absolutely nothing (or if someone does know something, they are being reticent in coming forward), we have a probably 70 or 80% chance of harming ourselves by offing him (depending on how many baddies there are). I would probably hang tight until we have something to go on, but could be persuaded otherwise. Maybe. Probably not.

[Gray Fox]

So I’ll consider voting for Boydy open from Nikos post above. In future an hour after a nomination without a defence is what I’ll use before voting starts.

5 votes total needed to put him on the block.

[niko_cee]

Given that we know absolutely nothing (or if someone does know something, they are being reticent in coming forward), we have a probably 70 or 80% chance of harming ourselves by offing him (depending on how many baddies there are). I would probably hang tight until we have something to go on, but could be persuaded otherwise. Maybe. Probably not.

See, I thought this, then I went through the various roles again.

As far as I can see, in terms of the ongoing information accumulation roles there are the following options which may or may not be in play:

Fortune teller - info unaffected by executions
Empath - info can be affected if a neighbour were to be executed, as a new living neighbour would then be in play.
Undertaker - info contingent upon an execution

So it's not completely cut and dry that not killing people is the best play for the town. Allowing the game to progress with nothing being said or happening is bad for those trying to work out what is going on. I'm not sure why Boydy has made no attempt to defend himself, other than simply not being online, although he did reply to my nomination. It just seems a bit odd. If he had a reason not to die wouldn't it be better to share it? Plus if we don't stick to a strict two deaths per night regimen this will end up petering out again, if it has even petered in yet.

At least I'm fairly certain he's not the virgin. I'm happy to defend myself if anyone wants to throw me under the headsman's axe.

I reiterate my YES vote absent a defence.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I don't like that he hasn't provided a defence but for now I'll vote no.

[Boydy]

Some of us have work to do ffs.

My role can't do anything/get any info yet so it's worth keeping me around.

[Pepe]

Good enough for me.

[thommo]

I'm reluctant to off someone on the basis of not very much. I'm saying no.

[Baz]

I think I know what role Boydy is (based on nothing) so I’ma say no.

[Gray Fox]

A no from Baz takes the max possible votes for Boydy down to 4, which isn’t enough.

Boydy is safe today. Do I hear any other nominations before I bring the day to a close?

[Pleb]

Close the day, I got nothing and no one is hardly talking.

[Gray Fox]

Alrighty well as there's not any more nominations coming forward, I'll call the day there.

It is now night.

[Gray Fox]

It is once again morning in Ravenswood Bluff.

Nobody died in the night.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:drool:

We either have a monk who has done a cracking job or we have a soldier.

[niko_cee]

Or no one is paying attention and Fox has had enough of the inactivity.

Hopefully someone learned something in the night.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://c.tenor.com/8XIo8ys9vBAAAAAM/soccer-simpsons.gif

Someone needs to sally forth with info. Or maybe they already have?

[niko_cee]

Aye, if there is an investigator they could do with giving us the options.

[thommo]

On what mahow has said, if we have a monk, it stands to reason they'd want to stay quiet as they'd be the primary imp target. However, if we have a soldier, you can come forward pretty safely, seeing as you're immune from the imp.

We could have one or the other, or even both in play.

[Baz]

That sounds like something an imp would suggest.

[Pepe]

Good that no one died, but now we're back at the exact same spot, unless someone comes forward with something.

[Gray Fox]

I’ll open nominations here.

[thommo]

Is that an end to private conversations then?

[Gray Fox]

I’ll allow them to the point of a nomination being cast as you’d all be able to talk anyway if we were playing this properly.

[Manc]

However, if we have a soldier, you can come forward pretty safely, seeing as you're immune from the imp.

Your logic is flawed my man. The Gimp not knowing who the solidier is (if indeed there is one in play) can only be beneficial for the town. With that in mind....

I nominate thommo.

[Browning]

Hope those extra 2 minutes of private conversations were useful.

[Gray Fox]

Manc has nominated Thommo.

Thommo your defence?

[thommo]

This is a bit of a kneejerk reaction to nominate me, but what the hell.

The reason it'd be good for the soldier to come out and claim the role (if we have one) is because we then have an almost certain guaranteed good guy. This is someone we could ALL go to privately and disclose information to begin putting together who are the evil players. If we have a soldier who has already activated and prevented an imp kill, well he's done his job already and the imp knows that too seeing as no-one died.

Ah, but what if a demon gambles that there isn't a soldier, and claims the role? Well in that case, we'd have a monk. If we saw no death the next night due to a successful monk defence, we could easily collate our information to out the bluff.

The one downside would of course be if we had both roles in play, and the monk was the reason we had no first night death. In that case, then yes, the soldier would not have been useful and outing himself would not be as beneficial. But you'd still get the benefits of having a good player to confide in.

All that aside, I am a good person, townsfolk, and I gain nothing from this. I vote no.

[Gray Fox]

5 to kill Thommo.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I vote no.

I don't think the logic is flawed regarding a possible soldier coming out as I don't think we lose anything from it but we do stand to gain a lot.

[Baz]

Does the Imp get told if his kill failed due to a soldier defending themselves/a monk protecting the target? Or is it just the public ‘nobody died’ message?

Yes to killing thommo. Seemed too keen to find out if their was a monk/who’s the soldier, which is an Impy play.

[Gray Fox]

The imp gives me their target and gets no information from me.

[Baz]

Haha stupid imp.

[niko_cee]

I had no real reason to be suspicious of Thommo, and I doubt he is the imp [again], but his defence has my head spinning a bit.

I think there are people with information they can bring to the table so I'd be interested to hear from them before voting.

Would you be prepared to go into any detail as to what flavour of townie you are Thommo?

[Pepe]

What thommo said made some sense. You might disagree with the soldier coming forward, but I don't see what the imp would be trying to gain from playing that way.

I vote no kill.

[Boydy]

I thought Thommo made sense at first. Then I thought Manc made a decent point. But then Thommo's defence made a lot of sense too.

I don't know.

I vote no.

[niko_cee]

I was probably over thinking things but I was trying to conceive of a way that the bad team could contrive to have a no kill in the night.

Could they (or the imp he if we say they act alone) simply not submit one?

If they couldn't do that, but had a poisoner, could they contrive to poison the imp and then have him come out and claim to be the soldier [who everyone could dutifully spill their guts too]? I considered poisoning Thommo last time for lols but I could see how it might have merit as a strategy.

This is all highly unlikely, mind, and Manc going hard at Thommo is probably as suspicious as Thommo's slightly mad defence. Also, without a claim of being the solider the whole edifice somewhat collapses - but then that was a pretty rapid day phase. Hmmmm.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think thommo's defence is convincing enough not to vote to kill him at this point. It's a no from me. He also has the tone of someone who may be useful later.

[Gray Fox]

The Imp can not refuse to act, but if they wanted they could attack an already dead body in the night.

[niko_cee]

I'm happy with the apparent quorum on not killing Thommo, but it was this that confused me slightly in his defence:


Ah, but what if a demon gambles that there isn't a soldier, and claims the role? Well in that case, we'd have a monk. If we saw no death the next night due to a successful monk defence, we could easily collate our information to out the bluff.

Doesn't that logically require the demon to try and kill the same person the monk is protecting? Are we assuming they target the same player again? Seems a stretch. Are we suggesting the poisoner try to deactivate the previous target's power to kill them off on the assumption they are the solider? The demon doesn't have to gamble, as well you know, they could be given Soldier as one of their bluffs, no?

[Gray Fox]

In that case the vote cannot reach the 5 required to get Thommo on the block.

Any other nominations?

[Baz]

Not from me. Happy to proceed.

[niko_cee]

No one seems to be up for killing anyone. I'm not sure of the wisdom of the policy, but it seems to be the way the town is going so I would say move on and we can maybe have a longer time to chat among ourselves privately in the next phase.

[Gray Fox]

Okay well I'll end the day on the hour if there are no further nominations.

We should get back to a normal day/night phase after that extension on Sunday.

[Gray Fox]

It is now night and the town have scurried off to bed.

[niko_cee]

So have all/any/some key role holders as well it would seem.

[Gray Fox]

It was a peaceful night for the most part, but there were some strange noises to be heard for those who were still awake. The sounds of a struggle perhaps.

The town wakes in the morning to find a trail of blood on the road into town square. They follow the trail and to their horror they find a bloodied and crumpled mess on the floor.

Pepe has been bludgeoned in the night.

[niko_cee]

Is there a time schedule for today?

[niko_cee]

So, still very slim pickings.

My thoughts/questions would be:

1 - Pepe, are you interested in sharing your role either publicly or privately?

2 - Pleb, was your comment about someone liking a drink a claim to be the Librarian? If so, can you provide further information on that front? It would seem we only have 1 outsider in play, at most, which would mean if there are two minions then they are the more awkward varieties with actual in game abilities. What is the crack with the Spy? Would they know everyone's roles or do they just see what is going on in the night? If the spy has all the information then how has the imp failed to kill on night 1? He wouldn't target a soldier, and if there was a monk, they would surely target them [and they wouldn't be able to protect themselves].

[Browning]

The Spy does indeed see everyone’s roles.

[Baz]

I was gonna make a spreadsheet this game to try and aide me, but nobody’s really given anything. :cab:

At the start I encouraged everyone else to blink first and get to sharing but everyone’s just sat on their hands since. So, to hopefully get the ball rolling belatedly, I am revealing my role….

I am the
townperson known as
the
SOLDIER
:harold:


Feel free to tell me any information privately, now you know it’s in good hands.

[Gray Fox]

Is there a time schedule for today?
Nominations at 6pm

[Pepe]

1 - Pepe, are you interested in sharing your role either publicly or privately?

Surely I cannot do that, can I?

[niko_cee]

It's sort of the main mechanic for the town to win.

You are still able to participate even though you have died.

[Browning]

Dead players can continue to play as normal with the only exceptions being:

- You can no longer nominate.
- You can only vote "Yes" one more time in the entire game. Once it's used, it's used. This is therefore normally saved for a late vote or for when you're convinced the Imp is on the block.

You can continue to communicate both in public and in private.

[Pepe]

Alright. Well, based on my role, I think that there is a pretty good chance that Thommo is a good guy, which is why I voted no last time around.

[Pleb]

I was using the soft claim of Liberian to wake the town up but that doesn't seem to of worked.

I'm the Revankeeper and I don't think you should kill me yet as I would like to gain some more roles first. Baz as Soldier seems legit and he must of been targeted by the Gimp night 1.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

So you've publicly claimed a role that NEEDS to be gimp killed but now you'll never be gimp killed as he wont want you learning any info.

Smells of desperation to try and make sure the town don't kill you whilst you go off and teehee with your evil friends.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Mahow's right, that's a fairly weird flex as the Ravenkeeper. Smacks of having taken a punt on Librarian not being in the game and faking it early, then done a reverse ferret.

[Baz]

I'm the Revankeeper and I don't think you should kill me yet as I would like to gain some more roles first. Baz as Soldier seems legit and he must of been targeted by the Gimp night 1.
:wtf:

[niko_cee]

What does the 'Revankeeper' do anyway? Find out what his own role was after dying?

[Baz]

What does the 'Revankeeper' do anyway? Find out what his own role was after dying?

1 get gimped
2 die
3 pick another player
4 gets told that persons role
5 stays dead

[Manc]

Alright. Well, based on my role, I think that there is a pretty good chance that Thommo is a good guy, which is why I voted no last time around.

Please elaborate.

[Gray Fox]

Nominations are open.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I nominate Pleb.

There are a few reasons why I think he's a wrong 'un.

1. Pepe made a joke post regarding my role, Pleb privately contacted me as he thought that Pepe had some sort of role which would enable him to know what I am. I shot this down because I had not spoke to Pepe at the time (I had also not revealed my role to the few I had spoken to) and because even if he had a role which allowed him to know what I was, it would also point to someone else too so Pepe wouldn't know for sure if it was me or another person. Pleb still thought I was "sus" though and would not let it go.

2. Pleb then highlighted the joke post again but this time in public claiming that he was going to do a virgin check on me, when I told him to do so he backed down and went quiet. If he was a townie he would have had no problem in nominating a suspected virgin and he also wouldn't have made such a big deal out of Pepe's "info" publicly.

3. Pepe has since been killed. I have no idea if he was loose lipped with his role (he is ignoring my PM's) or if Pleb was just so sure that he is a special role that Pleb told his evil mates to kill him (I don't believe Pleb to be the big bad) which they obliged with.

4. Pleb has since soft claimed librarian but when no one fell for it he decided to hard claim Ravenkeeper. This I think was a last ditch desperate attempt to hang onto his life and it was a poor one at that. IF he's the Ravenkeeper then he's completely blown his load as the (G)imp will not target him and he is now useless, however I feel this was a wild bluff. He's trying to make it so the town wont kill him and try to cover himself when he isn't gimped.

I feel there is too much evidence for us to ignore, especially when info has been so scarce.

[Gray Fox]

Pleb your defence?

[Pleb]

:D

Jesus christ, I've already backed down from our conversation and never followed that up Mahow. You might have to keep me alive for a few rounds longer if you want the Gimp to kill me though as the Revankeeper. This is a waste of an execution by the way.

[Pleb]

Oh and it's a No from me and for shits and giggles after this pointless nomination for me I would like to nominate Mahow for a Virgin check please.

[Gray Fox]

One step at a time!

5 to put Pleb on the block.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yes.

The gimp isn't going to kill you now though is he?

At worst you're useless as you've rendered your power pointless, at best you're evil who has played it badly.

[Boydy]

Did Pleb soft claim the librarian?

[niko_cee]

He said something about someone liking a drink, which was interpreted as such.

That defence reeks, replete with a burner nomination for Mahow the apparent virgin (when did that become a thing?).

YES

[Manc]

Bringing out the :D is a true sign of being on the ropes. It's a yes from me.

[thommo]

Jesus Pleb, you've shit the bed here.

If you're the actual Ravenkeeper, you're useless now. Also, this could be a good kill for us to determine your role if we have an Undertaker in play. I vote yes.

[Boydy]

It's a yes for me too.

[Pepe]

The virgin thing was a joke I made. Check page one, like the second or third post.

[Pepe]

We need to start offing people at some point. Get on it, lads.

[Browning]

5 votes for Pleb with 3 (I think) left to vote, so that is enough to put him on the block, but we still need to confirm his final total before we accept his nomination for Mahow.

[Gray Fox]

Jimmy Floyd P_3 Baz with votes left to cast.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think Pleb's just being an idiot. It's a no from me.

[P_3]

It is between Pleb and one other for me, so I'll vote yes.

[Baz]

I mean claiming to be the raven keeper is absurd however you look at it.

Yes.

[Gray Fox]

7 yesses for Pleb. He is now on the block. Pleb has asked me to count before as his nomination as he's busy with work.

So Pleb nominates Mahow.

Mahow, your defence?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This is a weak nomination that has only been thrown out because Pleb realises he is fucked.

Also, I can confirm that he is not the ravenkeeper as he claims.

Either that or I am drunk/poisoned.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I vote no.

[Gray Fox]

7 needed to tie, 8 to execute Mahow.

[P_3]

I'm voting no for Mahow.

[Jimmy Floyd]

No on Mahow.

[Manc]

It's a no from me.

[Browning]

That's Mahow safe already. I think it's unlikely you're going to match 7 but I'll leave it to Fox to end the day.

[Gray Fox]

And so the vote fails.

It's going to be pretty hard to topple the 7 on Pleb at this point. I'll give it til the hour in case anyone else has anything, then I'll close the day.

[Gray Fox]

The town in a frenzy of anger and confusion from the brutal murder of Pepe in the night, has set its sights on vengeance. Pleb has drawn the towns ire and for this he must be punished.

The angry mob searches for Pleb. They find him in his room at his PC. Only one Chrome window is open with a simple Google search. "How do you win the Champions League?" They shout LOANS! LOANS! LOAAAANNNNS! and drag him away into town square.

With no last words, Pleb is executed by the towns old rusty guillotine. Pleb is dead.

The game continues. It is now night and the town go wearily back to bed

[thommo]

:D

Forever searching for the answer to that question.

[Gray Fox]

It must have been a good nights sleep as it feels like the sun is coming up already. The townspeople make to gather themselves in town square once again to reflect on last nights events.

Only, when they get there, there are three bodies on the ground instead of two. It seems the third body is clutching a picture of some sort. It seems as though bereft by a terrible loss the previous evening, they've taken a night time walk to clear their head, only to find their head permanently cleared by an axe in the back of it.

There lying on the floor, clutching a photo of Fulhams' greatest ever player, Harvey Elliott, lies the body of Thomma.

It is day. Nominations at 6pm again.

[thommo]

:moop:

I think I can reveal my role here as my usefulness is completely over for the town. I was the Monk. That's why I was snooping to see if we had a Soldier after the night went by without an Imp kill.

Your protection is gone chaps.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Hmm. Well, it seems we do have a Soldier, unless Baz is bluff-claiming it, which would be... bold.

That probably also suggests Pepe was good unless he is doing a big old swerve.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I don't see a point in keeping tight lipped with my role now.

Despite Pepe making a joke he was actually right, I am the virgin.

Pleb used up my ability just before his death and it did not trigger. This means one of these things is true: Pleb is not ravenkeeper as he claimed (or the librarian), I am drunk/poisoned or I'm bluffing.

If you want to kill me today I am fine with that as I have no use now.

[Baz]

:moop:

I think I can reveal my role here as my usefulness is completely over for the town. I was the Monk. That's why I was snooping to see if we had a Soldier after the night went by without an Imp kill.

Your protection is gone chaps.
Who did you protect in the first night? Not sure if I was targeted, or the person you protected.

[Pepe]

Despite Pepe making a joke he was actually right, I am the virgin.

:D

[Pepe]

Might as well:

I am (was?) the librarian. Now that thommo is dead, I know who the Saint is. I will not be telling who unless we're about to kill him, obviously.

[Manc]

Can we get an updated roundtable? Gray Fox

[niko_cee]

I find it hard to believe there is an unclaimed Saint role in the game. Although I have no reason not to believe Pepe. Drunk Librarian?

[Baz]

Manc nominating thommo, failing to get enough votes for him to be executed and then him being gimped is either exactly what it looks like (Manc is bad news) or the imp has cleverly made it look like Manc is bad news.

Judging off how dumb this town was in an alternate timeline, I'm inclined to believe the former. Manc is sus.

[P_3]

I don't think Manc is who we should be going for. My information from night 1 was that either Pleb or Manc is the Crimson Woman minion and I think that unless Mahow is double bluffing us, the fact that Pleb didn't die when he nominated Mahow shows us that he must be on the evil team. Therefore Manc should be in the clear. Although I don't think he's let on about his role yet.

[Baz]

Unless Manc is the Scarlet Woman to Mahow's Imp?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Mahow brought up the possibility of him being a poisoned virgin, which I guess is plausible. It's either that, Pleb is bad, or Mahow is lying. I still don't think Pleb is bad (why would a bad player use that ridiculous Ravenkeeper gambit?) so I'm going with Mahow being poisoned or a liar.

[Ian]

I know I'm not in this game but I have to say The Poison Virgin would be an excellent name for something. Perhaps the villain of an incel-baiting horror.

[thommo]

Decent pub name.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Mahow brought up the possibility of him being a poisoned virgin, which I guess is plausible. It's either that, Pleb is bad, or Mahow is lying. I still don't think Pleb is bad (why would a bad player use that ridiculous Ravenkeeper gambit?) so I'm going with Mahow being poisoned or a liar.

I'm also backed up slightly by the claimed investigator P_3.

I'm starting to think that you might also be a baddie, Jim. One who is trying to make us doubt all the Pleb evidence and to ultimately shift the blame on to someone else.

It's a clever ploy from a clever man. Plus Pleb is an ideal fall guy for this tactic.

[Jimmy Floyd]

EDIT: I have misread what an investigator can do, move along.

If Pleb is indeed bad then it means that Manc is quite likely (though not certain) to be good, so we might as well turn our guns on someone else. Either that or P_3 is having us over.

But I think it's far more likely that Pleb is good, Mahow is poisoned, and that Manc is therefore bad.

[niko_cee]

I find the fact that there seems to be an unclaimed Saint role particularly concerning.

[Pepe]

Isn't claiming it dangerous?

[Browning]

No.

Execution specifically refers to being voted dead by the town. The Saint can come out knowing that if the Imp kills him, the town are safe (from the Saint ability losing the game for them).

[niko_cee]

Perhaps, in terms of living participation, but more dangerous for the saint's team if they don't declare as they can lose them the game.

Also, whilst killing the saint is necessary for the bad guys in the end [an unchallenged and believable saint claimant is never going to be executed] it's probably not high up on their to do list as they'd rather the town did it themselves.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There can't be a Saint, must have been a borked ability if someone has seen one crop up. Either that or the Saint is useless.

[Pepe]

Execution specifically refers to being voted dead by the town.

I asked earlier if there was another type of death and no one said anything, except for Baz, who went for some sort of joke.

I don't understand the rules and can't be arsed to go hunting the internet for them, so I will just bail out here. I was the librarian and was told that either Thommo or P_3 is The Saint.

[niko_cee]

Well, I'm hoping you were poisoned on the first night or that's my world view completely wrecked.

[Browning]

Sorry, Baz's answer was technically correct (even if the term "gimped" is a joke) so I figured that was answered. It came up in game one too. The Saint can die at night without losing the game.

[P_3]

Yeah, I'm definitely not the Saint. So Pepe is either the Drunk or he has been poisoned.

[Manc]

Let's have it. I am The Slayer and I choose to merk Boydy.

[niko_cee]

:drool:

Godspeed Manc.

[Browning]

Manc has claimed Slayer and shot Boydy.....

Boydy has died.

The game..... continues.

[Gray Fox]

Manc has claimed to be The Slayer and has hired Pascal Struijk to hunt down and snap Boydy.

Boydy is caught by Pascal Struijk's left leg.

Boydy is dead from blood loss.

The game continues

[Browning]

Good timing, as per always with this game.

[niko_cee]

Oof. Good shot mate.

[P_3]

Wow, great shot. Why is the game continuing though? Don't tell me I was the Drunk? :moop:

[niko_cee]

There are too many people who would need to be drunk or poisoned on night 1 for this to make sense.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Well I had Boydy as the gimp but I had Pleb down as the scarlet woman. With Jimmy as the poisoner.

I still think Jimmy might be the last baddie but I'm now also sus of P_3.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Siding more towards P3 as the new gimp.

[P_3]

I'm happy to be nominated because I know I'm telling the truth and my info is spent and from the looks of it completely null and void.

[niko_cee]

I would say full disclosure, but there's just too much for that to be true.

I had this from Boydy earlier:


I'm the fortune teller.

I think one of Pleb or Manc is evil.

Have you got any info yet?

Out of the blue and it rang alarm bells for me because I did't think it played the role right. You don't read evil, you read demon.

So then I was chatting with P_3 thusly:


Me: Yeah. I don't get that Saint stuff. I'm not the saint, have no idea why the Saint wouldn't have come forward, but also no idea why Pepe would lie.

Like you say, messy.

When you say you believe manc has he revealed anything to you? He gave me some vague hints earlier in the game so it'd be interesting to know if things tally.

P_3: He's told me a powerful role which I have to believe if I believe he is good, otherwise why lie about the role that he is.

Me: Funny because I've just had a fortune teller surface out of the blue pointing the finger at Manc or Pleb. Pleb being dead makes that all the more confusing.

P_3: But that does make sense. Either Pleb or Manc is evil. Doesn't mean both of them are.

Me: Fortune teller reads demon, not evil.

It's the same error. I was all aboard killing Jimmy next, but I think it's P_3 too.

[Baz]

So Manc was the Slayer
And Boydy was the imp
And now the Scarlet Woman has become the imp

Right?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

So Manc was the Slayer
And Boydy was the imp
And now the Scarlet Woman has become the imp

Right?

Correct.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

For a 10 player game it should be 7 townies, 0 outsiders, 2 minions and 1 (g)imp.

In line with this I think Pepe was poisoned on night one which is why he thought that there was a Saint in play.

Because of this and Pepe's false info it means that P_3's info can't have been drunk/poisoned and as such must be lying.

[P_3]

You might need to talk me through why my info can't be Drunk/poisoned info? As that's the only option I can see it being at this stage.

[niko_cee]

There are no outsiders in a 10 man game, apparently.

So for Pepe to be the Librarian and think there was a saint he would have to be poisoned.

No outsiders means no drunk, so only 1 person can have bad info on night 1.

Your info was bad.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You might need to talk me through why my info can't be Drunk/poisoned info? As that's the only option I can see it being at this stage.

Because you would have gotten that info on night 1, the same time as Pepe who is a much more obvious poison target.

And you can't be drunk as there is no drunk or any other outsider in the town.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Woah, proper hit from the Slayer there, although if the kind of ill-read rot appearing in niko's chats there has been passing around the demonic back channels then it's hardly a surprise.

P_3's goose is also cooked, I thought it very odd that he came out of nowhere with info after apparently withholding said since the first night.

What I don't understand is the suspicion of me with no real basis, other than my believing that Pleb was good - I may or may not be wrong about that (I still think I'm probably correct) but if I am correct it means that Mahow or more likely niko is the new Imp and are playing a pretty ballsy divide and conquer sort of a game. My role I have revealed to a couple of people I thought were good to assist their enquiries, didn't want to claim it publicly because it comes into its own towards the end.

[niko_cee]

How do I link a gif?

If you're around Baz can you do it for me?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Woah, proper hit from the Slayer there, although if the kind of ill-read rot appearing in niko's chats there has been passing around the demonic back channels then it's hardly a surprise.

P_3's goose is also cooked, I thought it very odd that he came out of nowhere with info after apparently withholding said since the first night.

What I don't understand is the suspicion of me with no real basis, other than my believing that Pleb was good - I may or may not be wrong about that (I still think I'm probably correct) but if I am correct it means that Mahow or more likely niko is the new Imp and are playing a pretty ballsy divide and conquer sort of a game. My role I have revealed to a couple of people I thought were good to assist their enquiries, didn't want to claim it publicly because it comes into its own towards the end.

For me it was 2 real reasons:

1. You were very upfront with your role which I found odd as this town is incredibly cagey, especially the first few days.

2. Your Pleb play which I thought was potentially a big brain play to make Pleb look like an idiot and less likely to be evil whilst also distancing yourself from him.

I also felt like I had pinpointed a lot of everyone else's roles but I wasn't sure I could trust you and take what you said at face value. Couple that with the fact that you are incredibly good at social deduction games I was wary.

[niko_cee]

Woah, proper hit from the Slayer there, although if the kind of ill-read rot appearing in niko's chats there has been passing around the demonic back channels then it's hardly a surprise.

P_3's goose is also cooked, I thought it very odd that he came out of nowhere with info after apparently withholding said since the first night.

What I don't understand is the suspicion of me with no real basis, other than my believing that Pleb was good - I may or may not be wrong about that (I still think I'm probably correct) but if I am correct it means that Mahow or more likely niko is the new Imp and are playing a pretty ballsy divide and conquer sort of a game. My role I have revealed to a couple of people I thought were good to assist their enquiries, didn't want to claim it publicly because it comes into its own towards the end.

You were very forward with your role, in stark contrast to everyone else [bar in the end the late Boydy]. It reminded me of my shit bluffing as the slayer in the last game. I'd reasoned away my P_3 doubts and so you were the only person left with a question mark by your name. Your soft support for Pleb also didn't help.

This may not actually be done, but I'd be amazed if it isn't.

[P_3]

Oh I see. Got you. I'm just playing the role I was given, so maybe there is a mix up from the higher ups. Begs the question of why there is a Librarian role if there are no outsiders?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Oh I see. Got you. I'm just playing the role I was given, so maybe there is a mix up from the higher ups. Begs the question of why there is a Librarian role if there are no outsiders?

If he wasn't poisoned he'd have seen a 0 and we'd know there wasn't a baron in play.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I was forward with my role (which is the Mayor, if we're still counting) because there wasn't really anything I could do with it in the short term so I thought I might as well at least hand it over to a couple of people who had played the game before and knew what they were doing.

[Gray Fox]

I'd be quite careful of copy/pasting of private conversations as that does trample a bit on the spirit of the game, but I get it does have it's difficulties translating from spoken word to typed.

After that warning, I'll take nominations as open.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I nominate P_3.

I've pretty much said why I think it's him but to sum up his info is bullshit and he can't have been poisoned as Pepe was on night 1.

As such I think he was the scarlet woman who has now been turned into the imp.

I think it's our best play right now.

[niko_cee]

I'll consider my wrist slapped.

Nominate P_3.

[Gray Fox]

Post order has that as Mahow just getting in there. So Mahow nominates P_3
P_3 your defence?

[niko_cee]

There is a set of facts where all this triumphalism comes to a shuddering halt, but I don't think it is possible that P_3 isn't some sort of bad guy at this point.

Pleb being an innocent would be challenging to deal with on a number of levels, but it is possible.

[P_3]

Don't buy Mahow's explanation of why include a Librarian when there are no outsiders in play. Just to prove there's no Baron? The fact there are not 3 outsiders running around doesn't do that? Yeah, not sure about that.

I'm the Investigator, I stand by that. My info was proved false because I'm Drunk or poisoned, don't know which. And Mahow pulling out that quote right now, after a whole game of people asking about and not being sure if there is a Drunk in play, stinks to high heavens.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Don't buy Mahow's explanation of why include a Librarian when there are no outsiders in play. Just to prove there's no Baron? The fact there are not 3 outsiders running around doesn't do that? Yeah, not sure about that.

I'm the Investigator, I stand by that. My info was proved false because I'm Drunk or poisoned, don't know which. And Mahow pulling out that quote right now, after a whole game of people asking about and not being sure if there is a Drunk in play, stinks to high heavens.
A librarian even with no outsiders is powerful. If we would have heard the 0 we'd KNOW you can't be the drunk and we'd know that the possible minions in play were cut to 3.

The quote that I posted right at the start of the game?

Anyway, 100% yes for me.

[Gray Fox]

3 needed on P_3

[niko_cee]

YES

Maybe you should virgin check Mahow P_3 as the weird scenario that is required for Pleb to be a good guy requires his skill still to be in play and for Mahow to have been poisoned when the nomination was made.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yes to P3.

[P_3]

Yes for me. Barking up the wrong tree, but oh well.

A Virgin check on Mahow is pointless since he's clearly not a Virgin. Was hoping we'd learned of his dastardliness from the last game.

[niko_cee]

You'd be doing the town a favour if you did it and your investigator role was legit though. Prove him a liar and all.

[Gray Fox]

So with 4 votes P_3 is on the block already, but number of votes could matter so I'll allow it to run a bit longer.

[P_3]

I think that boat's long sailed. If he was a Virgin, Pleb has already triggered it with his nomination.

[Browning]

I think that boat's long sailed. If he was a Virgin, Pleb has already triggered it with his nomination.

This is mechanically correct with regards to the Virgin role. Only the first nomination of the game can trigger the ability.

Edit to clarify- the first nomination of the Virgin, not the first overall nomination of any player.

[niko_cee]

Even if the virgin is poisoned at the time?

[Browning]

Even if the virgin is poisoned at the time?

Yep.

[niko_cee]

Oh, well, that's a bit disappointing.

[Gray Fox]

The roles for this game are very specifically worded for reasons exactly like this.

[Baz]

How do I link a gif?

If you're around Baz can you do it for me?
:D

https://c.tenor.com/hRt025P0HIMAAAAC/waking-up-anger.gif

[Baz]

Yes kill P_3

(If niko turns out to be bad I’m deleting my account and never trusting anyone ever again)

[Gray Fox]

I may call that there then with 5 votes on P_3.

Does anyone else have a nomination?

[Baz]

Not from me.

[Gray Fox]

If there are none by 10pm I'll end it.

[Gray Fox]

I'll take the towns eerie silence as a no and that brings the day to a close.

P_3 was selected as the towns new punching bag. Everyone has thrown their best punch at the bag and P_3 can take it no more and he succumbs to his injuries.

P_3 is executed and dies.

And I'd like to offer my congratulations!

This has been a very enjoyable game to watch so far. And it continues! It is now night

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I don't even.

[niko_cee]

:D

Scenes.

Fox is probably on the wind up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jesus wept. Pleb was innocent, you fucking idiots. Either that or P_3 was, but surely not.

[Gray Fox]

The sun once again rises very quickly in this town. And today there is a banquet, for the town thought they had caught evil and cast it aside!

The residents gather in the town hall and move to the dining table set for 5, only one person is already sat at their place. Something doesn't seem right. The other 4 good townspeople move in closer to see. Only they wish they hadn't.

Sliced to pieces by the very cutlery before him, lies the messed remains of Niko.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Well I was thinking Niko might played me completely, at least I can rule that out.

Can we have an updated alive/dead image please?

[Gray Fox]

https://i.gyazo.com/04f8ab4ec1b46c68175fbe23417e468f.png

4 players remain and there have yet to be any dead votes cast.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Well I'm back to it being Jimmy.

We know Manc is the slayer and Baz is the soldier.

If the rest of you want to kill me instead though then go for it.

[Manc]

My understanding may be wrong here, but doesn't the town stand a far greater chance of victory if the Mayor makes it to the final three? What Imp in his right mind is killing Niko over Jim.

[thommo]

If we get the next execution wrong, the Imp wins. You could leave it a night, no execution and see who the Imp kills.

If Jimmy IS Mayor, we'd win anyway when we're down to the final 3. If we don't win, he was bluffing - kill him off.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If we get the next execution wrong, the Imp wins. You could leave it a night, no execution and see who the Imp kills.

If Jimmy IS Mayor, we'd win anyway when we're down to the final 3. If we don't win, he was bluffing - kill him off.

We'd also have to do no execution tomorrow too.

[thommo]

Ah yeah, I forgot about that. Don't do that then.

[Baz]

Jimmy ain’t the mayor is he

[Jimmy Floyd]

lol at some of your reasoning. Let me reveal to you what has really happened.

Boydy was the Imp and (badly) bluffed the Fortune Teller. P_3 was, on the balance of probability, the poisoner, and (badly) bluffed the Investigator. Mahow was the Scarlet Woman, bluffed the Virgin, and has somehow got away with it until now.

The reason the Imp would not kill me in the most recent night is because the Imp is (now) Mahow, he has obviously been doing some kind of Dirty Rotten Scoundrels job on Niko for the entire game, now needed rid of Niko immediately (presumably because Niko's undertaker abilities would have revealed that P_3 was the poisoner and thus in turn revealed Mahow's long con) - and Mahow now needs to frame me to be executed now or else he's borked next round because I'm the Mayor.

Don't be fooled by Mahow's bullshit, which, by the way, has been going on all game. Just look back at all the posts. His concerted effort to go after Pleb has turned out to be utter crap, we had this whole theatrical scenario of the virgin check and guess what, it failed, and Pleb lived, not because Pleb was bad, but because, wait for it, Mahow ain't the virgin.

Meanwhile, just as this is all happening, Mahow gets his poisoner mate P_3 to poison Niko, which is why Pleb ends up coming back borked (to Niko). With this base deception Mahow earns Niko's trust and spends the rest of the game, to this point, milking it.

If you off me, we're going to lose the game and it will all be the fault of Pepe's lol throwaway joke on the first page about Mahow being the virgin, which somehow stuck and became the biggest slice of luck Mahow could ever have had, as it played perfectly into his bluffing hands.

[niko_cee]

Well, I sort of knew that was coming. Not sure why but I had that pit of your stomach kind of feeling.

There will be a data dump at some point, and fuck knows there's a lot of it.

Not so much from my role seeing as the town deigned it unnecessary to execute anybody. Nice one fuckers. I assume I was killed as the Imp is now on his own and so didn't have the poisoner to cover his tracks any more, which would have given me sight on P_3. Logically it would have made more sense to kill the unequivocally good Manc.

My main thought at the moment is surely Pleb can't have bee the worst townsperson of all time, can he?

[Baz]

Mahow vs Jimmy

What do you think of it all, Manc?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I also worked out yesterday that Manc was the slayer and told him (before I got mixed up with P_3) that Jimmy and Boydy were bad and told him that I think it's more likely that Boyd is the Gimp so he should use his shot on him.

[Manc]

I'm off to bed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I also worked out yesterday that Manc was the slayer and told him (before I got mixed up with P_3) that Jimmy and Boydy were bad and told him that I think it's more likely that Boyd is the Gimp so he should use his shot on him.

Yeah, because that was basically your last chance to inherit the Impship before it went down to 5 players and a mong-bluffing Boydy would have been done in one way or the other and the bad guys defeated. You had to get the Slayer in then or else it would have been too late.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah, because that was basically your last chance to inherit the Impship before it went down to 5 players and a mong-bluffing Boydy would have been done in one way or the other and the bad guys defeated. You had to get the Slayer in then or else it would have been too late.

Your logic falls down because an imp can kill himself in the night and it will then be passed onto a minion. Regardless of how many are in the town at the time.

Not many even suspected Boydy at that point because he had not shared his bullshit info with many.

[niko_cee]

I'm somewhat worse for wear, presumably from having been tasked with burying myself, but pending further explanation in the 'morrow, Jimmy's right. It's Mahow. I should have listened to that 2% doubt. Boydy Gimp, P_3 Poisoner, Mahow Scarlett Woman, if Pleb wasn't literally the most inane townie in history none of this would have had to have happened.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm somewhat worse for wear, presumably from having been tasked with burying myself, but pending further explanation in the 'morrow, Jimmy's right. It's Mahow. I should have listened to that 2% doubt. Boydy Gimp, P_3 Poisoner, Mahow Scarlett Woman, if Pleb wasn't literally the most inane townie in history none of this would have had to have happened.

He's not right, this is his big brain play.

Why would I work with you to discover and then tell Manc to shoot Boydy? I could have told him to shoot Jimmy, then we'd have killed P_3 and Boydy would have been swept under the rug or he could have killed himself in the night to pass it on.

[Spikey M]

Hi guys, no idea what's going on, both kids are ill and the household is upto it's elbows in Covid, but never mind any of that shit. Kill Mahow. It's rule 101 in any of these games. It has NEVER been the wrong decision. Cave the mongs head in.

Jimmy; would you like to borrow a hammer? I don't imagine you have one, being the pure blood that you are.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Why would I also tell P_3 that he should virgin check me on the very first day?

Why would I kill Niko now? Surely it would have been better for me if there was a three way dance between me, Jimmy and him (I was going to target him today when P_3 came out as good).

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jimmy has seemingly told half the town that he's the mayor and yet he's made it to the final 4.

The odds on him not telling a evil player would be very low and they'd have spent the whole game going after him as it's such a valuable role for the town late on. Especially with a poisoner in the game, they'd have orchestrated his death early doors.

[Baz]

It is the truth, but why was everyone so quick to believe me when I said I’m the soldier?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why would I also tell P_3 that he should virgin check me on the very first day?

Why would I kill Niko now? Surely it would have been better for me if there was a three way dance between me, Jimmy and him (I was going to target him today when P_3 came out as good).

You had to kill Niko now, because if you didn't, P_3 was going to be revealed to him as the poisoner, the game would then continue with Niko alive, and it's at that point that Niko works out (as he indeed now has, even without the specific information) that Pleb was good and you've been having him on the whole time after that poisoning stunt earlier on.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It is the truth, but why was everyone so quick to believe me when I said I’m the soldier?

Because you didn't die and, at the time, there was no monk coming forward so it was believable. I also thought for a bit that you might actually be the saint who was trying to bluff as a soldier so you didn't die at night or in the day and thus lose the game for the town.

[niko_cee]

There is probably a way to actually work this out from known information, but I'm not at that point yet. It is still plausible that 3 players could be the imp, but in increasing likelihood:

1 - Manc, obviously not, I assume there is no mechanic whereby that stunt could have worked, he must be the slayer
2 - Baz, I suppose he could, as a bad guy, have set-up some elaborate no kill on night 1 with the imp being poisoned and then 'killing' him to make his soldier bluff stick, however, if you were going for this you would do it with the actual imp wouldn't you, but Baz must have been the Scarlett Woman in that set-up which would be levels of chicanery too great for me. Well done if so. Having the monk protect him just adds further levels of wtf to the scenario.
3 - Jimmy, I have been suspicious of Jimmy through the game. What Mahow says about his spreading his role about the town and not dying has merit. I suppose perhaps the imp could have been targeting him and other people have died, or at least they tried once before stumbling upon me. It would have been impossible to deactivate his power and poison me on the same night, I believe. Me being vocally suspicious of him to potential wrong'uns would have been cause to keep him alive.
4 - Mahow, ah Mahow. When I said 2% above I was making reference to doubts I had as to his veracity that I discussed with him when he and P_3 seemed to have somewhat interchangeable levels of info on each other from what they had told me [P_3 declared a role to me whilst Mahow said he only hinted, then later in the same conversation he made mention of P_3 being the investigator - I had probably given him something to work with in terms of deduction but it struck me at the time] - we obviously got past that point. Anyway. Mahow says he's the virgin. A claim that is in theory testable. Pleb tested it and lived. OK. Pleb was in the frame as a bad guy and the way he did the check looked exactly like the way I did it last time round, taking it for the team once my number was up. But Pleb being bad presupposes a number of outset facts which do not tally. Pepe said he was the librarian and saw one of Thommo or P_3 as the saint. As far as we know there are no outsiders on play [maybe this is trusting Mahow too much but he hasn't been challenged on this by any games masters so I have to believe it]. P_3 obviously wasn't the saint as the game would be over. Thommo said he was the monk. As a lie that makes no sense. So Pepe's info was bad, or he's just trolled the town for lols. So, with Pepe having bad info we have P_3 and his investigator role. His information was that one of Manc or Pleb was the Scarlett Woman. This must also be wrong as the game would have ended with Manc's slayer shot on Boydy. P_3's information being deliberately wrong is far more plausible. I read Pleb as the poisoner. I went through many scenarios in my mind as to how that might have happened. I knew I must have been poisoned as it made no sense as a ploy from the bad guys to fit up one of their own, but lie about their role. However, at the same time, I convinced myself of a somewhat elaborate scheme that necessitated me being told he was a bad guy, but it still be bad info. In hindsight I was looking for this to stick with my trust in Mahow's role. If Pleb was good, then short of some otherwordly levels of poisoning skill, he should have died with his Mahow nomination. That he didn't, and then slunk off into the shadows never to be seen again [further classic bad guy behaviour] can only mean that Mahow was lying about his role, and if he was lying, well, what for?