Blood on the Clocktower (Werewolf)

[Pleb]

So it's werewolf but it isn't.

Here's the wiki page (https://bloodontheclocktower.com/wiki/Main_Page) and here's an example of how the game is played (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZBvRfM3Xow&list=PLQBGXhGots83LIf1qY4Zg0Mp9qU1Kr2Hv&index=9)

I'm wondering if this would work on a forum? I'm also using this thread to see if anyone would be interested in playing this?

[Baz]

Yes.

[Luca]

Mahow is a fucking wolf. So is P_3.

[Spikey M]

In

[Offshore Toon]

I'm up for it.

[Browning]

So this is something me and Pleb have been talking about co-running for weeks/months but we've just never got the ball rolling. I would have done it on my own but it's a game that sometimes requires the host to make decisions that may effect things and I wanted someone else to bounce those decisions off before making them as it would be my first time trying the game, though we've both watched a lot of games so we should know what we're doing.

I don't think we want anymore than say 12 players for our first game and we already have confirmed interest from Mahow, Gray Fox Ian and Thommo via Discord. With the 3 in the thread that brings us to 7 so far. The only thing I would say is inactive players would kill this as everyone has a powerful role (to some degree) so please don't sign up if you plan to be inactive. My preference would probably be to do this one evening, rather than stringing it out over a week like we do with Werewolf. We've not yet decided if we'll play on the forum or on Discord, but both options seem to be viable.

[Gray Fox]

I should point out in a bit of a TL;DR way that it's got several key advantages over your standard Werewolf. For example, every singe player has a power of some description, whether you be the big bad or the humble town Librarian.

Another is that, your involvement doesn't end in death. In fact some roles have powers to give you information if you die in certain ways. You also get to vote 1 time after death.

The game comes with 3 standard scripts, Trouble Brewing, Sects & Violets and Bad Moon Rising. Think of those as essentially easy to hard modes. Trouble Brewing is a great way of dipping the toe in the water. There are custom scripts beyond that, but I'd be surprised if we got there.

[Offshore Toon]

If it's going to be done in one go over an evening then I'm probably out.

[Browning]

Well looking at it, it seems the official forum version is longed out, with voting periods being 36 hours long... so if people would prefer to play via the forum slowly we can do that.

I can't imagine given how obsessed we all seem to be with this game that this'll be a one and done, so we can try different ways and find out what works.

[Boydy]

I'll play.

[Offshore Toon]

I'm torn because a shorter version would mean killing Mahow in record time, but I think it would work much better for most people if over a longer period of time. I think it's only the active members on TTH Discord that would want to do it in one evening.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's better suited to being done over one night on Discord.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Here is an example of a forum game though:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2711669/botc-game-67-game-thread

[Ian]

I'm less fussed about trying a forum version. In part because I just tend to have less time.during the day than when I used to take part in these and catching up on a load of stuff at once feels like a chore.

[Browning]

So that brings us to 7 players for either version if Ian is out of the long one and Offy is out of the short one.

I guess we just hope for a few more sign ups and see which version they are willing to try. I’m open to either version, as I said, I imagine both will happen at some point pending interest.

[Spikey M]

I would much rather a long one. I'd probably be out if it's to be done in one sitting. I rarely have that much time.

[Boydy]

I'd prefer a long one.

[Browning]

Cool, I think a long one is a good starting point to see how it goes.

Probably need a handful more players and then we should be good to go.

[P_3]

I like the sound of allowing dead people to participate and not revealing the roles upon death. I'd be shit at a short Discord based one but would definitely be up for a traditional long forum one.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I like the sound of allowing dead people to participate and not revealing the roles upon death. I'd be shit at a short Discord based one but would definitely be up for a traditional long forum one.
Don't you usually lose interest and disappear though?

Wolf.

[Spikey M]

Where's the fun in murdering Mahow immediately if he can still play? Fuck sake.

[Offshore Toon]

Once we've killed him we can hire an exorcist to get rid of him once and for all.

[Manc]

Count me in to any extended version.

[Lofty]

Depends when it happens, I am away for the next few days so if it is after that I'm in.

[niko_cee]

I'll have a go at this, although probably wouldn't be able to do it in a real time/one sitting type event.

There's a TTH discord?

[Baz]

You need to PM Ian a photo of you holding a sign with your username on to get an invite.

[Spikey M]

He can use one of the numerous timestamped nudes I've sent him.

[SvN]

I'll play, although if it extends past next Tuesday I probably won't be around.

[Spikey M]

Why does that sound so ominous? :D

[Ian]

I've told you before, Spikey, that writing 'today' in your own fluids isn't a timestamp.

[Browning]

I make that 13 people interested which should be more than enough to get started. How long is Lofty missing for?

[Browning]

Well, if Lofty is missing and Ian is apparently going away soon, that still leaves 11 which should work. Anyone else disappearing soon? I'm hopeful we can get it done before SvN disappears in a week if it's only 11 players?

[Browning]

https://forum.quartertothree.com/uploads/default/original/3X/9/c/9ccf0d86fe4993c59bc4bb24d48c302960d35487.jpeg

There's a good summary of the roles that are available in the first version of the game. Obviously, not all the roles will be in play.

[Manc]

This is going to be a bloodbath.

[Spikey M]

Only if Mahow gets his way, the Imp cunt.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I would advise everyone playing to watch this playthrough:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZBvRfM3Xow

Or at the very least the intro so you understand the rules which are slightly different from a regular Werewolf game.

[SvN]

2 fucking hours. We're not all dole dossers, you twat.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Which is why I advised "at the very least the intro" which is like 10-15 minutes.

They go through the rules and the roles that they are using that game.

[Browning]

Some basic rules for those who aren't familiar with the game, and I welcome those players that are to add on to this:

Private conversations are allowed between anyone, except during the nominations phase. I don't really have a way to police these, but I would just ask that no one screenshots their roles to other people as this would kill the game. Other than that, all bets are off.... and obviously you can tell people your role privately, but they'll know you could be lying.

Once nominations begin there is no more private talking and all conversations must be in the thread. Any player can nominate another player and it doesn't have to be seconded. They must make a post explaining the reason for the nomination, and then after that, the player who has been nominated gets to make 1 post defending themselves. After that, everyone else votes on whether to execute them or not. Voting goes round the circle in order and you simply vote yes or no. 50% of the living players need to vote yes for the person to be put on the block. Once someone is on the block, they will die unless someone else gets more votes than them during the same nomination/voting phase. In the event of a tie, no one dies.

Dead players cannot nominate any more but they can still vote Yes 1 more time. Once it's gone, it's gone so the dead players should use their votes very wisely. Dead players are still playing for the team they were on, whether that's the good team or the evil team.

We go on until the Imp is dead, or until there are no good players left. If we get to 1 good Vs 1 Evil, then evil wins.

Anyone can also talk to me or Pleb at any time to clarify rules etc. I'll be randomly visiting all the profiles so people can't draw any conclusions from that.

I've sent my randomly assigned roles to Pleb to get his thoughts on.... we'll be looking to kick this off today at some point, with 11 players. We've left Ian and Lofty out this time as they said they weren't available, but we will include them next time if we can/if it works. Sorry Lofty... feels bad after we couldn't get you into Fantasy Football either... we'll find a way to include you!

[Browning]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/658796671123324958/882248901766299710/unknown.png?width=592&height=563

Blank copy of the game board so people know who is sat next to who. This is important for certain powers. Roles will be distributed shortly. I think we can maybe have our first nomination period this evening, maybe starting around 8? Open to other suggestions if other times work better as this is the first time trying this.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Hi Spikey :)

[Spikey M]

I was wondering what that smell was.

[Browning]

Just to ask that no one discuss their roles publically just yet, until I've managed to get round everyone.

[Offshore Toon]

I don't really know what's going on yet but Mahow must die before we play properly.

[Browning]

All the set up is done and players have been contacted appropriately. You can now begin discussions (both public and private) and we'll open nominations tonight at 8pm.

The official forum thing recommended 36 hours for a nomination period but hopefully we can get done quicker than that to keep it moving. All players have the option to contact me with instructions on who they would/wouldn't vote yes for, who they want to nominate etc if they feel they won't be around.

We have officially started.

[P_3]

Epic, wasn't expecting such a quick start.

I'll begin sliding into all of yours DMs shortly.

Anyone want to come out and claim an outsider role?

[Spikey M]

I'm the recluse and I have absolutely no idea what I do. Basically I just look shifty, right? *cups cigarette inside hand*

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

All I'll say publicly is that someone in this town likes a drink...

[P_3]

All I'll say publicly is that someone in this town likes a drink...
Does that corroborate with what Spikey is saying?

[Gray Fox]

No big intro or anything? I wanted Pleb rapping or something.

[Spikey M]

Does this mean I'm on the same team as Mahow? Can I still kill him? Fuck sake.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Does that corroborate with what Spikey is saying?

Potentially.

I would need more information either publicly or privately.

[P_3]

Yeah you might want to get your stories straight before one of you blunders under the bus.

[Spikey M]

I have no idea what the fuck is going on. :(

[Browning]

If you have any specific questions let me know and I'll answer as best I can without spoiling anything.

[Offshore Toon]

Right, I've just finished a very long conversation with our Data & Statistics Champion (James). He's shown me an extensive dossier made up of thousands of research papers which concludes that Mahow must die. I must stress that this is not James' opinion, and nor does he have one despite watching thousands of these types of games a year, but the evidence is damning.

I know it isn't time to nominate yet, but I'm going to be on mobile later so it'll be easier to quote this post.

I nominate Mahow.

[Browning]

If anyone is on Discord and wants to discuss on there then feel free to add me (Browning- #0590).

Obviously, I can't answer anything that spoils the game, but I can help with rule clarifications etc.

[Gray Fox]

I'm the recluse and I have absolutely no idea what I do. Basically I just look shifty, right? *cups cigarette inside hand*

Is this a hard claim of Recluse then?

[Offshore Toon]

I'm the chef so the information I have is pretty useless and I won't get a chance at any further secret info. There is one pair of evil players, which means they're sat next to each other according to Browning.

[Pepe]

Right, I've just finished a very long conversation with our Data & Statistics Champion (James). He's shown me an extensive dossier made up of thousands of research papers which concludes that Mahow must die. I must stress that this is not James' opinion, and nor does he have one despite watching thousands of these types of games a year, but the evidence is damning.

I know it isn't time to nominate yet, but I'm going to be on mobile later so it'll be easier to quote this post.

I nominate Mahow.

Well, that sounds too damning to ignore.

I second Mahow's nomination.

[Spikey M]

Is this a hard claim of Recluse then?

It's a double hard claim.

(I'm going to watch the intro of Mahows video later. I'm not even sure what you mean.)

[Offshore Toon]

Well, that sounds too damning to ignore.

I second Mahow's nomination.
It's actually really upsetting, which is why I'm not going to share what was in the dossier. All I can say is that everyone should call him a cunt on every possible channel (forum and discord at least).

[Gray Fox]

A soft claim would be like saying "I'm either the Washerwoman, the Librarian or the Recluse"

A hard claim is saying "I am the Recluse."

[Boydy]

I haven't a clue what's going on. Is there an easy to read guide somewhere? I'm not watching Mahow's fucking video.

[Offshore Toon]

Anybody not posting their role is suspect as fuck. Any soft claims should result in death, cause what the fuck is that about.

[Spikey M]

A soft claim would be like saying "I'm either the Washerwoman, the Librarian or the Recluse"

A hard claim is saying "I am the Recluse."

Oh, yeah. Hard claim.

[Browning]

I would say familiarise yourself with the Roles list on Page 1. That will be a big help.

Then there's the post with the picture of who is sat next to each other. Underneath it is the number of players we should have of each type (7 townsfolk, 1 outsider, 2 minions and 1 demon).

The "rules" are very similar to normal werewolf, you execute people and try and make sure they're the bad guys. The key is using the roles and the expected numbers to work out who is who and what is going on.

There are a couple of roles that can have a big impact on the game, but I don't want to go into what they are for fear that people will take it as confirmation they are in the game. If any of the other players want to give a general run down of the big roles people should be looking out for, that would be ok.

[Manc]

Hopefully this picks up once Mahow dies.

[P_3]

Anybody not posting their role is suspect as fuck. Any soft claims should result in death, cause what the fuck is that about.
That just makes it easy for the demon to pick off the roles that can still do something. :cab:

[Spikey M]

That just makes it easy for the demon to pick off the roles that can still do something. :cab:

And you know who likes things easy? Mahow

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Offy may have used a bit too much wine whilst attempting to cook a meal.

[Offshore Toon]

That just makes it easy for the demon to pick off the roles that can still do something. :cab:
As long as everyone does it properly we'll know who the demon is and we can kill him. Durr. I'm surprised you're still around, anyway. And you won't post your role. Suspicious as fuck.

[Gray Fox]

So from just the info posted here, the Recluse which is being hard claimed by Spikey can register as evil to other players abilities. Given Offy has claimed Chef and got a 1 from that, I would suggest that ping actually means that someone evil is actually sat next to Spikey at the table as your evil pair.

Those players are Mahow and SvN.

[Offshore Toon]

Offy may have used a bit too much wine whilst attempting to cook a meal.
Give it a rest or there'll be no last supper for you, you cunt.

[Offshore Toon]

So from just the info posted here, the Recluse which is being hard claimed by Spikey can register as evil to other players abilities. Given Offy has claimed Chef and got a 1 from that, I would suggest that ping actually means that someone evil is actually sat next to Spikey at the table as your evil pair.

Those players are Mahow and SvN.
I agree.

[Spikey M]

So from just the info posted here, the Recluse which is being hard claimed by Spikey can register as evil to other players abilities. Given Offy has claimed Chef and got a 1 from that, I would suggest that ping actually means that someone evil is actually sat next to Spikey at the table as your evil pair.

Those players are Mahow and SvN.

I have no idea what you just said but it's definitely Mahow

[P_3]

As long as everyone does it properly we'll know who the demon is and we can kill him. Durr. I'm surprised you're still around, anyway. And you won't post your role. Suspicious as fuck.
Considering the demon gets 3 bluffs to choose from, we'll be no closer to knowing who is telling the truth.

[Boydy]

So are nominating people now? Doesn't werewolf normally start with a werewolf kill?

And our seating positions mean things? Where are these rules at? I don't see them in that link and I'm not reading a shit essay about every single role when apparently we don't even have all the roles in this game.

[Browning]

It'll start with a nomination phase this evening. I might make it a bit earlier than planned to get things rolling, but it'll probably last a good while anyway. There won't be a wolf kill before that.

The seating position is only relevant to certain roles, if they are in play.

[Pepe]

It's actually really upsetting, which is why I'm not going to share what was in the dossier. All I can say is that everyone should call him a cunt on every possible channel (forum and discord at least).

Knowing who we're talking about, nothing would surprise me. Nothing.

[Pepe]

Those players are Mahow and SvN.

:D

[P_3]

So are nominating people now? Doesn't werewolf normally start with a werewolf kill?

And our seating positions mean things? Where are these rules at? I don't see them in that link and I'm not reading a shit essay about every single role when apparently we don't even have all the roles in this game.
For this game only the Empath role is affected by the neighbours seating positions thing (if the role exists in this game).

[SvN]

I really need to get up to speed on the rules. I assume we don't know which roles are in play, from that screenshot someone posted on the first page?

[Browning]

I really need to get up to speed on the rules. I assume we don't know which roles are in play, from that screenshot someone posted on the first page?

Correct. All the roles will be from that screenshot but which ones are in play is not known.

[Browning]

I'll open nominations at 7pm to speed up the first kill a bit. The official forum suggestion was that the period should last for 36 hours, but if we can get through it quicker that would be great. As a reminder the nominations rules are:

1) Any living player can nominate, it doesn't need to be seconded. They should explain their reasons in the nomination post.
2) Once nominated, the accused can post 1 post defending themselves.
3) After they've defended themselves, everyone votes Yes or No to kill them. This is meant to start with the nominator and go round the circle, but for the purposes of making it easier i'll allow people to vote out of order. You can change your vote until it officially gets to you in the circle, at which point your vote is locked in. In the real game you have a matter of seconds to decide if you're voting or not, so I'm not overly concerned about people missing the chance to change.
4) Once it's gone round the circle, the person is safe if they got votes equal to less than 50% of the living players. If they got votes equal to more than 50% they will be on the block.
5) Following the vote, another nomination can take place. Each living player can only nominate once, and can only be nominated once per phase, so if they survive one vote, they are safe for that day.
6) When nobody else wishes to nominate, or when a player reaches a vote score that realistically will not be beaten, the phase ends and whoever has the most votes dies. In the event of a tie, nobody dies.

Dead players cannot nominate but they can vote ONE time for the remainder of the game after they die. They don't count towards the 50% of living players needed to execute so for example if there are 6 alive players and someone receives votes from 2 of them and 1 dead vote, this would be enough to execute them.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I will go on the record now and say that I don't mind dying as I have information but I will not get any further information throughout.

If anyone would like to discuss what I know and/or share some info lob me a PM on here or Discord.

[Gray Fox]

Do we have any other outsider claims, other than the Recluse?

[niko_cee]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but if someone dies/gets lynched/whatever you call it does everyone find out who or what they were, or is that reserved for certain characters? Just trying to understand the undertaker's special power if not.

Also, who or what is the Grimoire?

This feels like werewolf has gone from 0 to 60 million in a matter of seconds.

[Ian]

Meant to say by the way to obviously feel free to give invites to any other TTHers who might need one. I think a couple have already.

I think I said before I only made it invite-only because somebody posted a link here and Harold got in and immediately started antagonising people and being a cunt.

[P_3]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but if someone dies/gets lynched/whatever you call it does everyone find out who or what they were, or is that reserved for certain characters? Just trying to understand the undertaker's special power if not. If someone is executed/lynched during the day, the undertaker will learn their role during the night. Other than that, deaths during the night, no one will know what they are.

Also, who or what is the Grimoire? The grimoire is the game board where it shows who all the players are, if they are poisoned/drunk.

This feels like werewolf has gone from 0 to 60 million in a matter of seconds.
Please see bold answers above. Browning please correct me if wrong.

[Browning]

Nominations are open. We will start out with the 36 hour deadline as recommended but I’m hopeful if we are all around for even a small amount of time we won’t need close to that amount. It does mean private conversations should now stop until the next day phase.

[Manc]

I nominate Mahow on the grounds that he is absoutley useless at these games.

[Browning]

Sir Andy Mahowry time to defend yourself.

[Pleb]

*grabs the popcorn*

[Spikey M]

*sharpens knife*

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Firstly I'm one of only about four people who actually knows how to play this game plus I've also won a game of werewolf solo as a werewolf so I refute your "absolutely useless at these games" bit.

Secondly, as I have outlined before I am ok with dying here. I've tried to speak to many people but either people aren't checking their PMs, are hesitant to talk to me or don't realise that talking outside of this thread is absolutely vital. As such I haven't been able to ascertain many roles within the town and therefore I don't know if there are any other expendable characters in the town.

I will claim now that I am the Librarian, I have learnt some information (I know that there is a drunk in the town whose information is horseshit) but I will not learn anything else from the storyteller. Because of this I am expendable and would rather I die as opposed to killing off someone else who has a role where they learn more information as they go along. I am on the good team though.

Also, because of my role I know that there is an outsider in the town. In a game of this size there should only be one however Spikey is claiming that he is the recluse. This along with my information regarding a drunk means there are a few possibilities.

1. We have a third outsider who is not being forthcoming which means we have a Baron in play
2. Spikey is lying about who he is (a common evil tactic as the recluse may register as evil to good characters)
3. My information is wrong somehow.

We need to know who, if anyone, is the third outsider before we kill anyone. If no one comes forward I think we should kill Spikey as I believe he is lying if there is no further outsider.

[Browning]

Voting open for Mahow

Everyone should just include a Yes or a No in their next post. Officially we start with Manc and go clockwise, but yea, to speed it up I'll accept them in any order.

[Manc]

Yes please.

[P_3]

No from me.

[Spikey M]

An Erection inducing Yes from me.

[Offshore Toon]

Yes.

[Gray Fox]

Not for me, Clive.

[Baz]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but if someone dies/gets lynched/whatever you call it does everyone find out who or what they were, or is that reserved for certain characters? Just trying to understand the undertaker's special power if not.

Also, who or what is the Grimoire?This is a suspicious post. Randomly pick one role to ask a question about (undertaker) and then reveal yourself as a spy. Although, saying that, I'm not 100% upto speed with how bad minions are.

I tried to find out what exact roles where in our game but was told no. If Offy is indeed the chef he should know how many baddies are playing, right? Have you already told us?

Oh and no to killing Mahow. No idea what sense there is in wanting to die but I can only assume he's upto no good.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No.

I also intend to nominate Spikey after my voting has closed. My reasoning being that no one has claimed a third outsider which leads me to believe that we only have the one (the drunk) and Spikey is a lying bastard.

Putting this out there now to ensure the game runs smoothly and Browning can open voting on this whenever my vote closes.

[Browning]

For clarification, a Spy, if there is one in the game, would be sent full details of everyone's roles (the Grimoire) right at the start of the game.

The Chef knows how many pairs of evil players are sat next to each other. Everyone already knows how many there are.... there are 3.

[Spikey M]

I'll do my defence now because I might not be about later.

My defence: I'm the Recluse. End of defence. Mostly because I have no idea what I'm doing. If I survive I'll watch some of the video but I'm not wasting my time with that bastard Mahow trying to kill me in what I believe to be a racially motivated crime. Cunt.

[thommo]

It's a no from me, regarding mahow.

[Baz]

For clarification, a Spy, if there is one in the game, would be sent full details of everyone's roles (the Grimoire) right at the start of the game.

The Chef knows how many pairs of evil players are sat next to each other. Everyone already knows how many there are.... there are 3.Oh. :D I retract my entire post.

Well, except it's still a no to killing Mahow.

[Browning]

The town can now not reach the required 6 votes to execute Mahow and therefore Mahow survives.

Spikey is now on the voting block and has posted his defence. Voting opens again for Spikey.

[Baz]

Fuck it I'm watching mahow's video.

[Browning]

The town can now not reach the required 6 votes to execute Mahow and therefore Mahow survives.

Spikey is now on the voting block and has posted his defence. Voting opens again for Spikey.

Scrap that, it was a genuine miscount. He has 3 Yes votes with 3 people left to vote.

Mahow is still on the block.

[Browning]

Missing votes from Boydy, niko_cee and SvN at this point.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fuck it I'm watching mahow's video.

They've done quite a few of them now and they're genuinely brilliant.

[Boydy]

No to killing Spikey.

Oh wait, we're still on Mahow?

No to killing him too.

[Browning]

Ok at this point Mahow is safe after receiving 6 no votes.

Voting is open on Spikey and I will accept Boydy's No vote unless he decides to change it.

[Spikey M]

I'm starting to understand why you wanted to do this by Discord. This is going to be a very slow burner.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's a couple of hours on Discord voice. Takes a lot longer than that on a Forum.

I do think though that the pace will quicken up once people understand things more.

Yes to Spikey.

[P_3]

No for Spikey.

[Baz]

No.

[Offshore Toon]

No.

[Spikey M]

No (do I get to vote on myself?)

[niko_cee]

Mahow did.

No for me too.

[Browning]

The vote has failed on Spikey

New nominations welcome from anyone except Manc or Mahow. Neither Spikey nor Mahow can be nominated again.

[Boydy]

Neither Spikey nor Mahow can be nominated again.

Just in this round, right? Not ever again?

[Browning]

That's correct. They can be nominated again in the next day phase.

[Boydy]

So has night happened yet? Isn't the imp meant to kill someone?

[Browning]

The Imp will kill someone once we finish the first round of nominations/voting. When played on Discord this part tends to take about 10 minutes but obviously on the forum it's being dragged out.

[P_3]

I'm not going to nominate.

[Spikey M]

I have no nomination to make.

[Offshore Toon]

Yeah, just kill someone.

[Gray Fox]

I nominate Offy.

We should definitely be killing someone. Can't kill the demon otherwise. He claimed to be the Chef and has given us his information and so shouldn't really have any problem dying.

[Pleb]

:sherlock:

Offy your defense please.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, just kill someone.


I nominate Offy.

We should definitely be killing someone.

:D well, fuck.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's glorious.

[Pleb]

The entertainment is stunning lads.

Keep it up.

[Browning]

I think we need a cut off for defenses, otherwise people could just run the clock out by not defending themselves, but I also appreciate people won't be here all the time. I think I'll allow votes for Offy after an hour has passed since his nomination, but he can obviously defend himself at any point and given it's midnight here it might be an idea to give him until the morning unless you think you won't be around to vote then.

[Browning]

Ok i'm opening the vote on Offshore Toon but as mentioned, he can still defend himself when he gets a chance.

After this vote we will be up to 3 people having used their nomination (Manc, Mahow and Gray Fox) and 3 others who have declared they don't want to nominate (P_3, Spikey and Offshore) so we'll be down to 5 players who could potentially nominate, barring one of those 3 changing their mind.

[Offshore Toon]

Just kill me. This first game is going to be a shambles whilst we iron things out so we might as well do a speed run.

[Spikey M]

No.

[Baz]

I know I’ve never played (or even heard of) this game before but I don’t get the logic behind the ‘townsfolk told us his info so now let’s kill him’ so it’s a no from me. I’m happy to proceed to Day 2.

[Browning]

The town do seem very reluctant to kill today so I'm inclined to move on if the Offy vote fails too. If anyone objects to moving on and intends to nominate again, please let it be known before we reach the point where Offy is either safe or is killed (which requires 6 votes either way, he's current 0-2).

And just to confirm as it was asked yesterday, yes, every player can vote when they are on the block.

[SvN]

Yes to Offshore as per his request

[Boydy]

Yes or we'll end up never killing anyone.

[Manc]

It's a no from me. As I understand if Offy is indeed the Chef the longer the game goes the more useful be becomes.

[Browning]

It's a no from me. As I understand if Offy is indeed the Chef the longer the game goes the more useful be becomes.

The Chef is a night one character, similar to the Investigator/Librarian/Washerwoman. They get info at the start and nothing else.

[Manc]

Surely once roles are revealed upon death he can begin to piece the board into good & evil based on his initial info?

[Spikey M]

Yeah but he's given us the info now so we can do that anyway.

Offy needs to live because otherwise Mahow wins.

[Manc]

What was the info?

[thommo]

Surely once roles are revealed upon death he can begin to piece the board into good & evil based on his initial info?

Roles aren't revealed upon death - dead players can still act and play and have conversations and manipulate the game however they want to.

I'm going to say yes for Offy's execution - either it's a shit bluff and he's evil, or he's actually the Chef and he's got all the relevant information he will this game.

[thommo]

What was the info?

His info was that there was 1 evil pair (evil players next to one another on the Grimoire). He doesn't get any additional info as the Chef as the game continues.

[Manc]

Cheers, thommo. Are we able to amend votes? If so put me down for a yes.

[niko_cee]

Offy's actions make more sense if he is just the chef than if he has an ongoing role. I mean, asking to die and wanting the game sped up would be a pretty risky gambit if he was a bad guy, no?

No to killing him.

[Browning]

You can. Technically Gray Fox is still in the "Hot Seat" having nominated but not yet voted.

Still missing votes from Sir Andy Mahowry P_3, Offshore Toon and @Niko Cee as well as him.

4-2 currently.

[Browning]

Obviously posted that at the same time as Niko. 4-3 then.

[P_3]

No for Offshore.

I'm slowly coming around to thinking that Mahow is lying rather than Spikey. If he's the Librarian, I demand to know the two people who came up as a possible Drunk. He's insinuated Offshore but kept the other one quiet. :sherlock:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No for Offshore.

I'm slowly coming around to thinking that Mahow is lying rather than Spikey. If he's the Librarian, I demand to know the two people who came up as a possible Drunk. He's insinuated Offshore but kept the other one quiet. :sherlock:
I'm still keeping the names to myself for now. I haven't had a chance to talk to many people yet and I'd like to try and figure out which one of the two is the drunk first before revealing it to the town.

It's a bit rich asking me to divulge all my info to you when you've given me absolutely nothing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's a yes to the Offshore vote from me.

[Gray Fox]

Yes. Let’s get murdering.

[Baz]

One thing that they did on that video was ask if the outsiders wanted to reveal themselves.

Who has claimed to be a recluse so far? Have we any butler cucks?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

One thing that they did on that video was ask if the outsiders wanted to reveal themselves.

Who has claimed to be a recluse so far? Have we any butler cucks?

Spikey has claimed recluse and I see a drunk.

This means 2 outsiders which can't happen. We should either have 1 or there is a Baron in play and we have 3. No one is coming forward as a third though.

[Spikey M]

I am the recluse.

[P_3]

It's a bit rich asking me to divulge all my info to you when you've given me absolutely nothing.
Not strictly true. I've narrowed down what my role is for you quite a bit.

[Browning]

Offshore Toon has reached 6 votes.

Technically he still needs to vote on himself to determine his final total. As he said he wanted to die I can't just assume it's a no.

However, I will allow time for more nominations if someone feels strongly we should be killing someone else, or wants to try and engineer a tie to ensure no deaths.

I'll probably give 2 hours or so for this and if we don't hear anything, I'll push on to Night 2 at 2pm with a view to starting the next vote phase this evening, maybe a bit later to give more time for PMs after work etc.

Similarly if those who can still nominate and haven't expressed their desire not to nominate want to rule themselves out of nominating we can get cracking.
Offshore Toon please vote on yourself when you can.

[Offshore Toon]

Sorry, been out this morning.

I vote yes.

[Pleb]

Incredible.

[Browning]

I think it's unlikely you're going to match/beat 7 votes... but there's 6 minutes left if anyone wants to raise any last minute objections to moving on.

[Spikey M]

It's been a tough couple of years for Chefs. First Covid closes their restaurants, now the Devil has come to town. Poor Offy. Don't do it lad. We can talk about this. We'll get you help. #EatOutToHelpOut

[Browning]

Offshore Toon has been executed and dies.

The game continues. It is Night.

As a reminder for Offshore, he can continue to play as normal, but he can no longer nominate and he can only vote Yes once for the rest of the game. In all other votes his vote will default to No.

[Spikey M]

What happens now?

[Browning]

I'll get back to you once I receive choices from everyone who needs to make them.

[Offshore Toon]

Hmm I thought that might be more enlightening.

To all the good people left, you know what to do. The low numbers mean Mahow's #TeamDiscord will able to defend him easily unless you get yourselves together.

[Manc]

Hmm I thought that might be more enlightening.

How so?

[SvN]

I am The Saint.

[niko_cee]

Is that a third outsider claim then?

Despite the game suggesting there is only 1 in the gameboard thing? That's the light blue fella right?

[SvN]

For what it's worth, I waited until now to mention it because I wasn't sure if being killed by the Imp counted as "being executed", but I know understand that it's in everyone's interests if I'm open about it.

[Browning]

I think I'm going to allow conversation while I await confirmation on the night time activities this time, in the hope of speeding the game up and allowing a nomination phase tonight. Going forward (As in from Night 3 onwards) though there shouldn't be any posts or conversations at night. Those who wake in the night always have the option of sending me their choices in advance if they can.

I may have explained badly when conversations are allowed, so that's on me. But yea, conversations should be happening during the day both publicly and privately, and then once nominations open everything should be public.

[P_3]

Interesting developments.

[Offshore Toon]

How so?
I dunno. I'm just waiting for this game to actually become a game.

[Browning]

Boydy died in the night.

That is all. It is day.

All conversations allowed again, we'll come back for nominations at say 9pm.

[Baz]

I am The Saint.Fuck off :D

Can we kill SvN please?

[SvN]

And lose the game? Interesting strategy.

[Gray Fox]

I suppose this is a long shot, but if we have an Undertaker, confirming Offys role could be quite useful information to us.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It could well be a bluff but for now we have to trust it.

It's not worth the gamble.

[Offshore Toon]

As a renowned chef I know all about rotten eggs and Mahow absolutely stinks. Get rid.

[Spikey M]

I really can't get a feel for this game at all. How are we to move forward if we learn nothing from the deaths? Are we not just killing at random? I don't get it.

[thommo]

Some roles can learn from deaths, some roles gain nightly information. It's about striking up conversations with people, either publicly or privately, and collating your information to work out who is good and bad.

Part of the risk is you could be in conversation with an evil player and giving information away to that player about your role, which could put a target on your head for the demon.

[P_3]

If everyone this far has been telling the truth we have the current situation:

3 outsiders made up of -
Recluse - Spikey
Saint - SvN
Drunk - ?

5 townsfolk made up of -
Librarian - Mahow
Chef - Offshore
? - ?
? - Boydy
? - P_3

2 minions made up of -
Baron - ?
? - ?

Imp - ?

Using Offshore's clue that there is 1 pairing of evil people, gives us the following groupings following Boydy the presumed townperson's death:
Grayfox and Niko
Manc and Baz

[SvN]

One thing I don't quite get is that the graphic on page 1 says there's only one outsider, which would be me. Presumably a scenario exists where someone else's role (i.e. a Baron) means that we can have additional outsiders, and Spikey could be telling the truth.

Does the existince of a Baron just mean two random people are assigned additional outsider roles?

[thommo]

One of the possible minions in play is the Baron, which results in 2 additional outsiders.

[niko_cee]

I keep trying to do a he said she said series of points but getting lost in a circle of confusion.

Offshore (chef) knows 2 bad guys are sitting next to each other. Spikey (recluse) may register as bad, so he could make the pair, equally, maybe doesn't because he doesn't register as evil, or isn't sitting next to someone evil. Offy and Spikey had a pre-existing plan to kill Mahow, before roles were handed out, so either the way the seating plan worked out played into their hands or they came up with that plan. I don't think it was a deliberate plan and am inclined to believe their roles. Mahow says he's the librarian and his knowledge (of a drunk) conflicts with Spikey being the recluse as that would mean there are two outsiders when the game says there is one. Now the guy on the other side of Spikey claims to be the saint, yet another outsider. The added kicker here is if there are three outsiders [does the baron make this possible?], and one of them is the drunk, then that person doesn't know about it and thinks they are someone else?

Nope, I'm lost again.

[Offshore Toon]

This is what happens when you don't kill Mahow. Given the bloke is watching videos of this game for fun, he probably knows how to confuse everyone and what I'm seeing now is a mess. Get. Rid.

[Gray Fox]

The idea of the game is to gain information from other players in order to start to deduce the evil team. Day 1 is always a crapshoot because it's mostly a guess. But certain players have roles which can reveal more each night and even with each death.

We're already starting to build a picture now of some of the board and 4 hard claimed roles.

It's always worth killing someone in this game script of a day as there's always that chance of hitting the Imp and it's literally the towns only way of fighting back, unless we have a Slayer in play.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This is what happens when you don't kill Mahow. Given the bloke is watching videos of this game for fun, he probably knows how to confuse everyone and what I'm seeing now is a mess. Get. Rid.

I'm not the only one who watches those videos.

It's a genuinely great game which is very complex.

[Manc]

Can confirm I'm not evil. P_3

[SvN]

Are we just waiting for the evening kill now?

[Gray Fox]

Just for the sake of investigating, are you willing to claim a role or maybe even hint towards it? Manc

[thommo]

Are we just waiting for the evening kill now?

No we can nominate and execute someone before the evening kill, using the information we all have.

[Gray Fox]

Are we just waiting for the evening kill now?

No, this is the towns time for information gathering. Talking to other players, publicly or privately is the key to this.

[Browning]

Are we just waiting for the evening kill now?

Evening nomination/voting phase, yes.

I'm happy to make it earlier if the majority want to, I just wasn't sure how long people would want for private chats.

[SvN]

Someone PM me then, given that I've outed myself as a goodie.

[Manc]

Just for the sake of investigating, are you willing to claim a role or maybe even hint towards it? Manc

Not at this time.

[Spikey M]

I'm guessing your mother's maiden name is off limits too then?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm guessing your mother's maiden name is off limits too then?
:D

[Browning]

Let’s move nominations up to 8pm. I wasn’t sure when I was going to be able to post the night kill due to being at work but 9pm feels like too long away.

[Boydy]

Balls.

Am I still allowed to post after dying? I get to vote one more time, don't I? Is that in the next round only or in a round of my choosing?

[Gray Fox]

You can still post and PM any player after your death, in fact it's encouraged. You're still on the team you were assigned to at the start and you can still help to win it for your team.

It's the key difference between this and werewolf. No Merse getting lynched on night one and not being able to play again.

You get 1 vote now and it's up to you when you use it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Balls.

Am I still allowed to post after dying? I get to vote one more time, don't I? Is that in the next round only or in a round of my choosing?

You can still post in here or talk privately to people regarding the info you might have gathered.

Your vote is in a round of your choosing, usually people will use it only when they are absolutely certain that someone is the demon.

[Baz]

Mahow inbix is ful

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Mahow inbix is ful

Sorted, cheers.

[Baz]

Using Offshore's clue that there is 1 pairing of evil people, gives us the following groupings following Boydy the presumed townperson's death:
Grayfox and Niko
Manc and BazThis is interesting. I know I’m good so does that mean my opinion on should be Gray Fox and niko are bad eggs?

[Baz]

This game is a headache.

[Boydy]

Yeah, regular werewolf is better imo.

[Baz]

And lose the game? Interesting strategy.Why would you reveal this unprovoked though? Are you hoping the monk just protects you forever, and somehow doesn’t get killed themselves? “Don’t vote to kill me” is very demon-y.

[Browning]

Why would you reveal this unprovoked though? Are you hoping the monk just protects you forever, and somehow doesn’t get killed themselves? “Don’t vote to kill me” is very demon-y.

I think you're misunderstanding the Saint role with the first part of this. The Monk would have no reason to protect the Saint. The Saint wants to die at night, they only lose the game for their team if they die during the day.

[Spikey M]

I'm almost certainly misunderstanding too, but wouldn't that make coming clean an even worse move? The Imp now knows not to kill him?

[Browning]

Nominations can open at 8pm. Keep in mind with 9 players left, 5 Yes votes are required to kill. Also reminder that private conversations should then stop until we reach Day again (after the night phase which includes the Demon kill).

[SvN]

I'm telling everyone early to make sure I don't get lynched by the town.

[Browning]

I don't know if this is needed, but Nominations are open

[P_3]

Lets get some discussion going. In my private conversations with people I've come across these good roles: slayer, virgin, investigator, librarian. It would be quite interesting to hear what roles other people have come across.

[Baz]

Sorry, replied to a PM without realising but it was basically 'I got nada' so I may aswell have not.

I've come across the librarian only. Everyone else is being coy. Copied from the aforementioned PM, rendering it entirely useless:

I've been told that I am a suspect for the drunk but I should be able to pretty much rule this out after a few days. That would mean the other person on the list is definitely the drunk, which would be kind of useful to know (I think).

Oh and yes I did misunderstand the role of The Saint. I forgot that executed = murdered by us. What do we call being killed by the imp?

EDIT: also came across the undertaker

[Manc]

Gimped.

[Gray Fox]

So I feel like at this point I should come out with my own information.

I am the Investigator and in the first night I was woken to be told that either Baz or Mahow is the Baron.

If we take everyone elses information at face value, we know the Baron is in play as there are 2 claimed outsiders and Mahow has seen a Drunk. I would suggest this confirms Mahows information.

We also have Offy claiming the Chef who saw that one pair of evil is sat next to each other. If this is also true, then that means we should be looking at SvN as he is next to Mahow or we should be looking over at P_3 or Manc as they are next to Baz.

I've heard from P_3 and calling a Saint bluff this early is not overly wise, therefore I think we should be killing Manc unless he has some good reason for us not to.

[Baz]

I've just realised Pepe voted when he's not evening playing. :D

So Offshore was executed. He was the chef who told us 1 pair of evil players were sat beside eachother.
Then Boydy was gimped. He was the undertaker but didn't get to find out Offshore's role.

Mahow is the librarian and knows who the drunk is - it's either me or one other person.
SvN is the saint.
Spikey is the recluse, who can register as a baddie when others enquire about him.
Gray Fox is now saying he's an investigator and has outed Mahow has a baron. So has he just made his librarian role up? I presume the baron knows they're a baron?

P_3, Manc, niko_cee, and thommo haven't disclosed much.

[P_3]

Perfect, just what we needed.

[P_3]

Boydy - Can you confirm you told Baz about your role?

[P_3]

Sir Andy Mahowry - Can you confirm that Baz was one of your 2 people?

[Gray Fox]

A claim of a Virgin is also very interesting. If anyone knows the identity of the claimant, you could throw yourself on that grenade to test it.

[Spikey M]

MOTHER FUCKERS IT'S TIME TO MURDER BARONESS MAHOW.

I nominate Mahow

[Browning]

Sir Andy Mahowry a defense is needed.

[P_3]

For fuck's sake. Now we have to sit through the whole voting phase.

[Spikey M]

Sorry for nominating during the nomination phase guys. I don't know what I was thinking.

[Browning]

As per with Offy i'll be giving Mahow an hour to defend himself, after that people can starting voting. Obviously if he posts before that then voting can start as soon as he's posted.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I am the librarian, I can confirm that one of the names I was given was Baz.

As to my defence it's two fold. Firstly we have an investigator who whilst he has seen me as a potential baron and yet he feels the person who should be killed first is Manc. Due to other evidence.

Secondly it was my information that led the town to realising that there was a baron in play as we only knew of one outsider (Spikey) at the time. SvN the third outsider was silent and then claimed he was the strongest outsider in the whole game, a common evil bluff as the town will be wary of killing him.

As with the first day I am fine with dying, I have been given all the information from the storyteller that I will get and as such I am expendable to the town.

[Gray Fox]

I vote no.

[SvN]

No from me. There are better candidates.

[Spikey M]

Yes

[Baz]

Might as well. Yes.

[niko_cee]

No.

[Manc]

It's a yes from me.

Can confirm Gray is barking up the wrong tree.

[thommo]

I'm going to say no for now. There is definitely some conflicting information here, especially with the addition of a drunk to the village. I'm not sure which one of the people involved I should believe.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Forgot to vote in my defence post.

No.

[Browning]

Mahow has survived the vote

I wanted to confirm this during the vote but thought it might be taken the wrong way- I won't leave votes open waiting on dead votes as they're too rare. Dead players who want to vote will need to do so early. They can always PM me with a list of players they want to use their vote on if they ever decide on something definitive.

Once we reach the latter stages where more players are dead than alive, i'll obviously revise this.

[thommo]

A lot hinges here on what Baz is. He's been seen as both the Baron and the Drunk, and yet could be neither.

If mahow genuinely is the Librarian, then Baz is the Baron. Just a lowly minion, but still a bad guy we can execute. Additionally, mahow himself could also be the Drunk, and have been given duff info at the start.

[P_3]

If Mahow is not the Baron, then Baz must be the Baron. If Baz is the Baron then Mahow's other Librarian person (who I know but won't reveal) is the Drunk.

[Baz]

I really don't think I'm the drunk because of reasons I'd rather not share yet. I'm not a Baron. If we're not killing Mahow I'm happy to not execute anyone today.

[P_3]

Does anyone else know that Boydy is the Undertaker?

[Gray Fox]

I'm inclined to trust Mahows info as it directly matches up the info I was told myself. We do know we have a drunk somewhere if that's the case, but then it would also have Baz as the Baron.

The recluse being able to register as evil, leads me to have Offys information leaving a question mark over SvNs head, but I'd rather not willingly kill off a good player if our worldview is that Baz is the Baron.

[P_3]

I nominate Manc.

Following Gray Fox's clue that Baz is the Baron then using Offshore's clue that Baz's neighbour is also evil gives us Manc. He is either the Imp or the other minion. He's not offered much on his role, so hopefully a nomination will coax him out of his shell.

[Browning]

Manc your defense is needed.

[Pleb]

*grabs more popcorn*