Blood on the Clocktower (Werewolf)

[Spikey M]

Manc your defense is needed.

And your mother's maiden name, you slag.

[SvN]

I'm this (holds up thumb and index finger 2cm away from each other) close to voting Yes. Let's hear it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He's been tight-lipped all game.

Plus he still wont give Spikey the info he needs.

[Manc]

Some interesting moves being made, most notably taking shots at someone other than Mahow/Baz. Indeed I have been quiet, but consider it a calculated approach. My influence will come much later.

[P_3]

That is a horrendous defence. Yes from me.

[Spikey M]

For the record, I am going to vote yes no matter what he types. The only way he can change my mind, is the power of music. Sing for your life Manc. It's your only chance.

[Spikey M]

He's blown it.

Yes.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yes.

Tragic defence.

[Manc]

Obviously it's a no from me.

[Gray Fox]

Yes from me

[thommo]

Surely if you have influence to come, you'd be screaming it from the rooftops here. Yes from me.

[Browning]

That's 5 yes votes so that's enough to put Manc on the block but we still need votes from SvN @Niko Cee and Baz to confirm his final total.

Once we hear from those 3 feel free to nominate someone else if you want.

[SvN]

The fingers have collapsed into one another. Big yes from me.

[Browning]

In case we've missed Baz and Niko for the night I'm also happy for someone to line up a nomination to kick in as soon as they've voted if they want to do that. I wouldn't want a scenario where they vote and I close the phase off without giving a chance for more nominations, but this score looks like it might be unassailably high. Failing any one posting another nomination I'll give an hour after we get the final vote on Manc and then close it off.

[niko_cee]

Not the best defence.

Yes.

[Baz]

Yes.

Sorry was in bed.

[Browning]

Manc is executed and dies, and the game continues.

It is night. I'll be back with you shortly. We should be able to have another nominations phase tonight for sure. Let's make it at 5pm tonight (seeing as it can go on a while even if people aren't quite back by 5) unless the night takes longer than anticipated.

[Browning]

Spikey died in the night

It is day.

[Spikey M]

Fuck you Mahow.

Avenge me.

[Offshore Toon]

This game is already lost imo. The imp is the most experienced player by far.

[Browning]

I really look forward to the ghost votes.

Hoping the dead players are staying active though. They still have a big role to play even without their powers.

[P_3]

Hopefully Manc can now tell us his role. If he continues to keep it to himself, he's definitely not a good role.

[niko_cee]

I understand the logic of trying to use information to target players who might be the demon, but isn't there an inherent danger in leaving known evil players (taking Gray Fox's reveal on face value) alive as it allows them to participate in a more active, and therefore harmful way (ie they can nominate and vote unfettered)?

[Baz]

Quiet in town today. Would be good to get some ghost posts.

Boydy confirming his role publicly, Manc actually telling us what he was, and Spikey to double down on his recluse claims.

[Spikey M]

Kill Mahow. The end.

[Offshore Toon]

If you're Browning and Pleb and you want this to be a game that TTH embraces, then you want to ensure you have a qualified Imp. Somebody who knows what they're doing and will be very active. That's Mahow. Mahow is the Imp. Nobody else knows what's going on, so it would be stupid to give it to anyone else. Just kill Mahow.

[Baz]

Strange that he was so keen to be executed from the off, if that’s the case, and your twos “let’s kill Mahow olol” from the off kinda works against you there.

I honestly can’t figure anything out from the info we have regarding people sat beside others though, so I’ll let others do some kind of summary and chip in where I can.

[Boydy]

Yeah, get Mahow. If he's not the Imp then at least all the rest of us will just be headless chickens.

And I was the undertaker, yes.

[Spikey M]

Baz outing himself as one of Mahows team mates there.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm not the only one who knows about this game.

Also, I was "keen" to be executed because my role will yield no additional info. If we're executing goodies (will happen more often than not) it's better to execute a role who has gotten all the info they will ever get over someone who can get info every night.

It would have been so beneficial to the town if Boydy was alive for example.

[Offshore Toon]

Everyone will be willing to die in this game. You still get to play if you have a shit role and die, so to fight it means you have an important role and thus outs you to the opposing team.

[P_3]

I've been told there is a Slayer in the game. So just to shut everyone up about Mahow, please can the Slayer reveal themselves and shoot Mahow. If Mahow dies we win, if he doesn't then he's not the Imp and we can look to nominate someone else later. Win-win.

[SvN]

Manc is a wrongun. He posted earlier about being dead in response to people asking him to reveal his role, then deleted it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If there is a slayer in the game and that's the route the town wants to take I'm fine with it.

[Manc]

I'm the Mayor and a dead one at that. I didn't want to reveal my role as I'm fairly certain I would have been immediately Gimped given my power on the final day.

I still don't think enough has been made of that GF post (niko referenced it briefly). He's outed himself as the investigator, named Mahow/Baz as the potential Barons and then made a jump to me as the Imp.

Baz has to be next imo. He's got his numbers up and is now seemingly happy to take a back seat. This would of course mean trusting Mahow and in turn GF.

[SvN]

Can you be gimped after being executed?

[Gray Fox]

I thought last night was worth a shot at a potential Imp kill, but if we have already lost the Undertaker that's a vital piece the evils have already taken out.

If everyone is being honest so far we now still have 3 evils alive and 4 good. We also don't have any more information gathering roles either if this is to be believed. There are still some players yet to reveal their role(thommo, Niko and has Baz actually claimed a role?) either publicly or privately.

So if everything thus far has been truthful, we need an evil dead tonight or else it's game over. If one of you is actually the slayer I feel you should use your shot today on SvN. While I don't have a read either way, the Saint is the best defence for an Imp to hide in plain sight and it is worth checking. If it isn't him, we can ignore the possibility of having to decide to risk losing the game by executing him later.

[SvN]

Why would you assume everyone is being truthful so far? What a mental attitude to take.

[Offshore Toon]

Gray is sus as fuck imo.

[Gray Fox]

I've not had anything else to say otherwise.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I don't think he's assuming anything. He's just offering up the worst case scenario right now.

[Browning]

Can you be gimped after being executed?

Technically, yes. The town can execute a dead body if they don't want to kill anyone but do want to kill (this is more appropriate in the more complicated versions of the game, it wouldn't really come up in this one) and the Imp can choose to kill a dead person and sink the kill if they wanted to bluff a certain scenario.

For the player being killed again, it wouldn't make any difference.

[Browning]

Nominations are open.

[Baz]

I'm not the only one who knows about this game.

Also, I was "keen" to be executed because my role will yield no additional info. If we're executing goodies (will happen more often than not) it's better to execute a role who has gotten all the info they will ever get over someone who can get info every night.

It would have been so beneficial to the town if Boydy was alive for example.

Okay. I nominate Mahow.

[Browning]

I hope you have a defense pre-written Sir Andy Mahowry

4 votes needed to execute today.

[Offshore Toon]

I assume I'll be back in time to vote after hearing the defence, but just in case put me down for a yes.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

My defence:

Again, I was the one that made us realise that there was a baron in play as we only had one outsider coming forward at the time and I feel like I've proven that I am a good guy.

I have been ok with dying before as my role will yield no extra information but I'm a little hesitant to do so now as the numbers will be against us if we kill off another good player (assuming those who have died so far have told us the truth).

I'm not sure who we should be targetting today though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I assume I'll be back in time to vote after hearing the defence, but just in case put me down for a yes.

You only get 1 vote being dead though. It really isn't advisable to do so unless you're 100% sure the person in question is the demon.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Also I'm a no.

[Browning]

Voting open on Mahow. I'm accepting the ghost vote from Offy unless he withdraws it.

1-1 currently.

[P_3]

No for me.

[Gray Fox]

No from me.

[P_3]

Oh and Sir Andy Mahowry, if it is looking like you are going to be executed, please can you nominate me. At least we'll be able to learn something then. Thank you.

[thommo]

From what I gather, mahow is either the Librarian or the Drunk (unlikely but still possible). No from me.

[Baz]

Here’s me thinking it would be a popular choice. :harold:

[Browning]

You haven't voted yet Baz

[Baz]

Maybe I can’t. :henn0rz:

Might as well stick to my nomination and say yes. :sorry:

[Spikey M]

I'm waiting for another yes before I vote. Come on you slags. Make this happen.

[Spikey M]

Manc can still vote too, right?

Come on lad. Let's take the cunt down.

[Browning]

At this stage, everyone can still vote.

After this Mahow vote, Offy will have no votes left, as will any other dead player who votes yes.

[Browning]

Only SvN and niko_cee still to vote from the alive players.

[Manc]

Manc can still vote too, right?

Come on lad. Let's take the cunt down.

Don't tell me what to do you executing cunt.

[Spikey M]

Mahow voted yes for you. Are you going to let him get away with that?

Mugged off by Mahow. What a way to ruin your reputation.

[Manc]

The whole town voted yes for me because people can't understand nuance.

In all seriousness throwing three dead votes at Mahow probably isn't the answer.

[Spikey M]

Manc is in bed with Mahow lads.

SvN & Neeks, let's go lads.

[Spikey M]

yes

Browning we good?

[niko_cee]

No for me.

[Browning]

I'll leave voting open a bit longer on the basis that Spikey has declared his intention to vote Yes if we get one more Yes vote which we could still get from SvN.

If you're not actually going to do that, let me know and we can close it.

[SvN]

Yes.

Sorry for the delay, playing golf while I still can.

[Browning]

I'm accepting Spikey's vote then as it was heavily implied and he had time to withdraw it.....

4 is enough and Mahow is on the block.

[Boydy]

After I died, three people PMed me to ask my role (and I answered them all honestly). They were Baz, Mahow and P_3. Possibly one of them is evil and was looking for info? Possibly they were all just nosey. Possibly they were good and looking for info to help the town win. Who knows, but it's some extra info for you.

[Spikey M]

Yes

[thommo]

So mahow told me that he saw the Drunk as either myself or one other player. Baz came out and said he was the other person that mahow saw. However, if mahow is evil, all this information is completely bogus. We'd still have a Baron in play, as GF saw that on night 1 but we'd have no clue who the Drunk is.

My role is a fairly solid, knowledge role. And my information has been consistent from night 1. However, I've been disregarding it assuming I was the Drunk as it didn't fully add up with what others were disclosing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I nominate Baz.

The investigator also saw him as a possible Baron and I see him as a potential drunk, however I'm starting to believe that my info may have been tampered with somehow.

I also think it's very strange that we've had two ghost votes against me.

I vote yes.

[Browning]

Voting open on Baz

5 needed to execute, 4 needed to tie the vote (meaning neither Baz nor Mahow could be executed today)

[P_3]

Out with your role Baz.

[Spikey M]

I nominate Baz.

The investigator also saw him as a possible Baron and I see him as a potential drunk, however I'm starting to believe that my info may have been tampered with somehow.

I also think it's very strange that we've had two ghost votes against me.

I vote yes.

You find it strange that me and Offy voted to kill you? :cab:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You find it strange that me and Offy voted to kill you? :cab:

When it's your solitary ghost votes, yes.

You've now spunked them up the wall over nothing other than "lol he's Mahow". Those moves could have seriously harmed our chance at killing off the demon.

[Spikey M]

Mahow, lad, killing you has been my main objective in every one of these games for as long as I remember.

[Browning]

I'll allow Mahow's vote as the nominator, but Baz needs to be able to defend himself first. Guess my post opening the vote was mistimed.

[Baz]

Out with your role Baz.If I tell you I'll be gimped. I'll probably be gimped anyway for saying that though. If I am executed, I have no powers after death, but I am slowly gathering information everyday and killing me would obviously put an end to that.

I've been open that my head was mashed with this game and am getting to grips with it so haven't held anything back, simply because I wouldn't have known how. I've shared all the info I received privately, and the only person I don't trust is Mahow.

[Browning]

Voting for Baz is now open

I've accepted Mahow's vote, but he can change it if he wants.

[Gray Fox]

Yes to Baz dying.

He's had plenty of chances to give us the role he actually is, if he isn't the Baron. He either needs out with it now, or we take down an evil. Mine and Mahows info matching up is the reason I have to trust him. There has to be a Baron in the game for there to be 2 other outsiders than he knows of.

lol Mahow dies aside, that's the only information I really can trust right now.

[Boydy]

Is Mahow dead or what?

[Browning]

Is Mahow dead or what?

He has enough votes to die, but someone else can still beat it and die instead, or it can be tied, which would save him.

[Spikey M]

What? Fuck off.

[P_3]

Yes to Baz.

Considering you're telling us that you are a role that continues to receive information you are now guaranteed to be killed by the Demon in the night, so you might as well get all your information day by day out into the open. Currently this all smells of bullshit.

[Manc]

This whole "if you don't tell us your role you're a fucking nonce" shit should see this game put to bed forever.

[Baz]

Yes to Baz.

Considering you're telling us that you are a role that continues to receive information you are now guaranteed to be killed by the Demon in the night, so you might as well get all your information day by day out into the open. Currently this all smells of bullshit.
If only you knew the truth. :cry:

[P_3]

This game gets nowhere if information isn't shared. Otherwise we'll just sit in our houses waiting to be killed off by the demon one by one. No need to be precious about it. As the "Mayor" for example you could have pulled some people aside and shared your secret so that you'd have some people backing your corner if questions get asked. If you get killed in the night you can then use the knowledge of who you told to cast doubts on them as potential evil doers.

[Baz]

Spare me and I'll share my role privately to everyone except Mahow, SvN, Spikey, Manc and Gray Fox, upon request.

[Gray Fox]

This whole "if you don't tell us your role you're a fucking nonce" shit should see this game put to bed forever.

Sharing information is the whole point.

Every player that isn't on the evil team shares information in some way. Best thing to do is pick one or two at random and agree to an information share. Once it starts being open you can start to pick apart what makes sense and what doesn't

[Spikey M]

Why not me you slag? :moop:

[Manc]

Gimped.

[Spikey M]

Please accept my apologies Mahow. Slash this fool.

[Browning]

I feel like we may have missed people tonight as I don't think we've had a situation before where we've got another nomination after someone was on the block and so they may have assumed we were done. I still need nearly everyone to vote on Baz. Keep in mind the vote phase won't end until there are no more nominations from anyone, no matter how things go with the Baz vote. Only Baz and Mahow have spent their nominations so far, on each other.

[niko_cee]

Right, so, things don't seem to have become any clearer overnight. Is there anyone who can explain to me what Baz is 'soft' claiming here (or if what I think is wrong)?

Is he alluding to the fact that his role gathers information on a nightly basis - ie is he the fortune teller? Are there any other info gathering roles? The undertaker has been claimed. Does the empath get different info as people next to them die - ie does the next nearest alive player become their neighbour or does their power cease if their immediate neighbours die? If it's the former I suppose he could be claiming that, but then his 'I'm not telling x, y and z' makes no sense, if it makes any sense in any scenario that is.

If we think Fox is on the level then either Mahow or Baz is the baron. Mahow claims to be the librarian and came out early with suggestions there is a drunk in the town - which would be his power if it were true. Of course, were he the baron he would know that there are more outsiders than the gameboard suggested, but he wouldn't necessarily know there is a drunk would he? He could have come out with that and then had three people claim the other outsider roles, putting him in a bit of a bind no? As that hasn't happened he either got lucky on a gamble, or he is telling the truth.

There are other alternative realities requiring various levels of scheming and/or epic trolling from Browning.

Fox, seeing the various outsider claims, could have gambled on claiming to be the investigator. He didn't come out with it straight away as he wanted to see if anyone else blew their load as a rival investigator.

Mahow could be lying or, in a barely believable twist, could be a drunk who thinks he's the librarian? Is that possible?

Baz could be a drunk info gatherer, which again seems a pretty spiteful (and no doubt hilarious for those in the know) twist.

[niko_cee]

I also meant to say in relation to info gathering, could he just be claiming to be gathering info behind the scenes through private conversations [ie not through any in game power]?

[Baz]

That is not the case.

[Browning]

To answer the role questions from Niko:

The Empath does indeed gain new info whenever their neighbours die. They would get a read on whoever they are now sat next to (amongst the living players).

The Baron would know (because it's part of the role) that more outsiders are in the game, but would not know any further details regarding which roles/players they were.

Drunk Librarian is indeed a possibly combination. The Drunk could think they are any of the townsfolk roles.

[Baz]

I do miss sitting next to Manc. :flirt:

[Browning]

I'll close the vote on Baz around 2pm if it's not concluded. Would also be useful if people could tell me if they intend to nominate anyone else (keeping in mind the possible scenarios after this vote- Mahow still on the block, Baz replacing him or both being safe) so we can end the day if there won't be any more nominations.

Still awaiting votes from:
SvN
thommo
Baz (happy to presume his is a No if required)
niko_cee

As well as possible nominations from any of the above or P_3 or Gray Fox

Edit to add- Slight mistake, Baz has used his nomination for today.

[Baz]

Mine is indeed a no. I need to live.

[niko_cee]

Whatever you are selling Baz, and I'm really not sure, I'm not buying. Yes from me.

[SvN]

No

[Gray Fox]

Also if that’s Baz claiming to be an Empath he’d be the 2nd Empath I’ve heard of in the game.

[thommo]

The information we've got so far points to you (and a neighbour), Baz, and you're not really disclosing enough for me to change my mind. Yes from me.

[Browning]

Baz is on the block with 5 votes

Nominations are open. I'll close the day off at 2pm (the time I said i'd close the vote) if I don't hear any further nominations.

[P_3]

Good riddance. Plenty of suspicion and zero information means he had to go to the execution block. I'm pretty sure we've got our pair of evil players as per Offshore's clue. Now to hunt for the big bad.

[Browning]

Baz is executed and dies and the game..... Continues.

Gray Fox died in the night.

It is day.

We'll come back for nominations at.... 6pm.

[Boydy]

Can we have a tally of who's dead and who's alive please?

[Browning]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/658796671123324958/883339243047518238/unknown.png?width=641&height=563

Black circle = dead and ghost vote used.
Black with white centre = Dead but can still vote once.
White Circle = Alive

[thommo]

I think we've executed two of the evil players judging from the information we all have. Manc and Baz were neighbours, with Baz very likely looking like the Baron.

It looks like the demon could be Niko here. I haven't heard any claims from him, he's been very tight-lipped so far so it'll be interesting to hear your side of the game so far Niko.

[Manc]

If you believe Baz to be the Baron, I'd strongly suggest pursuing P_3.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If you believe Baz to be the Baron, I'd strongly suggest pursuing P_3.

What's your reasoning?

[P_3]

3 outsiders made up of -
Recluse - Spikey
Saint - SvN
Drunk - Thommo

5 townsfolk made up of -
Librarian - Mahow
Chef - Offshore
Investigator - Gray Fox
Undertaker - Boydy
Virgin - P_3

2 minions made up of -
Baron - Baz
Scarlet Woman - Manc

Imp - ?

Unfortunately this leaves a space for the Imp masquerading as the Slayer. Sorry Niko.

[Manc]

Scarlet Woman. :harold:

[Spikey M]

Always said you were a slag.

[Baz]

Spare me and I'll share my role privately to everyone except Mahow, SvN, Spikey, Manc and Gray Fox, upon request.Even though you didn’t spare me (morons) this still stands.

But swap P_3 with Gray Fox.

[Gray Fox]

So there are 5 people left.

The current worldview is that:

Mahow = Librarian
SvN = Saint
Thommo = Drunk Empath
P_3 = Virgin
Niko = Slayer

Now this obviously can't all be true. But if we follow the information, Mahows and my info confirms each other for good. Thommo claims to have received a 1 the entire game. If this is true and he is the drunk, this info has been wrong all game. This accounts for 2 of the alive roles.

I believe if Niko maintains he is the Slayer, he should publicly use his shot on SvN and then nominate P_3. This should give us all the info we need. If Niko is not the Slayer then he simply wont do it and we should nominate him.
If he is the Slayer and nothing happens, we know SvN is safe. If he then nominates P_3 and doesn't die, then P_3 should be on the block.

If he nominates P_3 and dies after shooting his shot and getting nothing, the day is over and it's down to a final 3. We then know P_3 and SvN are safe as both cant be killed in the night.

[Gray Fox]

The other test is if Thommo, who we think is the Drunk, nominates P_3. If nothing happens then the only 2 possibilities are that Thommo isn't the Drunk or that P_3 is not the Virgin.

[Baz]

Gray Fox deffo sacrificed himself to make Mahow from Scarlet Woman to Imp.

Game over.

[Browning]

The other test is if Thommo, who we think is the Drunk, nominates P_3. If nothing happens then the only 2 possibilities are that Thommo isn't the Drunk or that P_3 is not the Virgin.

This is wrong. You can figure out why.

[Browning]

Actually I'll clarify because I don't want that to be taken out of context.

Mechanically, that is wrong. The drunk is an outsider. A drunk nominating a virgin would always result in nothing happening.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If Thommo is the drunk then he's not a townsfolk and as such doesn't excite the virgin.

[Gray Fox]

Don't wake up at 4am kids.

[P_3]

I don't think Thommo or SvN should nominate me, it should be between Mahow and Niko. In fact I'd be tempted to have Mahow nominate me, because if he nominates me and dies then it confirms Thommo is the Drunk Empath and the information he has for me and SvN proves we are not evil. Leaving Niko as the last evil player.

[SvN]

I'm proabably missing something obvious, but I'm going to ask anyway. Why are people so certain thommo is the drunk?

[Offshore Toon]

Cause he slept with Taz's missus.

[thommo]

That was Tommo, not me.

[Baz]

Thomma.

[Offshore Toon]

In that case, Mahow's information isn't accurate and he must be the Imp.

[niko_cee]

Gray Fox deffo sacrificed himself to make Mahow from Scarlet Woman to Imp.

Game over.

What does this mean?

And has Baz told anyone else anything behind the scenes. What he has told me makes zero sense in the context of his public comments.

[Browning]

The Imp does have the option to kill himself at night and let one of his minions take over- that's not exclusive to the Scarlet Woman. I assume that's what he's implying.

10 minutes early but fuck it, Nominations are open

[P_3]

Do your Slayer thing Niko. Then we'll nominate me.

[Baz]

The Imp does have the option to kill himself at night and let one of his minions take over- that's not exclusive to the Scarlet Woman. I assume that's what he's implying.

10 minutes early but fuck it, Nominations are openAh yes. But the Scarlet Woman’s ability also goes towards his “might as well kill me” approach since the start.

[niko_cee]

Ok, I don't understand the Fox theory on SVN, so I'll accuse Mahow.

[Browning]

niko_cee Can you clarify what you mean by accuse?

Is that a nomination or a Slayer shot or neither?

[niko_cee]

Slayer thing.

[Browning]

Niko has claimed to be the Slayer and shot Mahow....

....

Nothing happens.

[P_3]

Sir Andy Mahowry - Please can you sacrifice yourself by nominating me. If you don't die instantly then I will happily be executed via the votes.

[Baz]

I’m lost now.

[Spikey M]

You're not alone, but it feels like the game is soon to be over.

[P_3]

Its my Virgin ability. If he's good, he will die. If he's drunk, a minion/demon or I'm lying, he will live.

[Browning]

Happy to field questions from those who are lost if they want to PM me, but only with regards to the game mechanics at this point. I obviously still can't divulge who has what roles.

There will be a role call whenever the game concludes that should answer a lot of questions.

[niko_cee]

If you don't die instantly then I will happily be executed via the votes.

Yeah, walk me through this as I'm lost now.

[thommo]

I'm proabably missing something obvious, but I'm going to ask anyway. Why are people so certain thommo is the drunk?

Regarding this, mahow told me he saw me and one other (Baz) as the drunk. Considering that the info from GF and mahow correlates, we've got to the point where we worked out Baz was the Baron, which in turn means I am the Drunk.

Initially I was told I was the Empath (able to see how many evil people neighboured me). The thing got me very confused from the start is that I have had consistent information through all 4 nights, but I'm guessing that is just Browning fucking with me.

The other alternatives are that mahow himself was the Drunk, so his info is completely wrong, or he's evil and lucked out with information that matched with GF's. In which case, my Empath info is correct, which would be worrying. However, I think that's unlikely at this stage - personally I'm of the thought that niko is the Imp, bluffing as the Slayer.

[thommo]

Its my Virgin ability. If he's good, he will die. If he's drunk, a minion/demon or I'm lying, he will live.

If he's good and dies, it's instantly night time. We wont get a chance to execute anyone else.

[Gray Fox]

You still have another day tomorrow regardless. There’d still be 3 alive with the Imp kill.

[niko_cee]

So in the world where Mahow is the drunk librarian (really?) either P3 or SVN are the bad guy because they are next to Thommo who says there is a bad guy next to him?

[Browning]

Can confirm the virgin death is instant and ends the day. Even if someone was on the block with 100% of the vote, if someone else nominated the virgin and died, it would supersede it.

[niko_cee]

Also, if you are the virgin P3 I seriously can't believe we've got this far into the game without someone nominating you. I mean, it's usually the first port of call after Mahow in werewolf games.

[P_3]

So in the world where Mahow is the drunk librarian (really?) either P3 or SVN are the bad guy because they are next to Thommo who says there is a bad guy next to him?
SvN still has to be the Saint to meet the quota for the Baron. So I'd be the guilty party.

[niko_cee]

There are obviously levels of D chess I'm not getting here, but how is a villager suicide bombing themselves, followed by presumably another villager (you?) being killed in the night going to help exactly?

[Gray Fox]

So someone needs to now nominate P_3 in order to verify the Virgin claim and I think it either needs to be Niko or SvN.

If Niko is to be believed as the Slayer, he is now useless having shot his shot and we know Mahow is not the Demon. However I think Mahow is the worst person to have chosen of those alive.

We could really do with avoiding a final day scenario where it's the Imp and 2 people who can't be nominated(Saint and Virgin) without bad things happening.

SvN going on the grenade helps stop that scenario, clears himself from any doubt(not that I have much) and clears P_3 at the same time. Thomma gets new information albeit maybe drunken and you then kill the fuck out of Niko

[Browning]

A fool proof plan....

If only The Saint wasn't an outsider.

[Gray Fox]

Yeah hurry up and get to murdering so I can sleep :(

[niko_cee]

Yeah, I nominate P3, he's a lying shit and is trying to sow seeds of discontent among hard working honest villagers.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:D

So what is the best course of action here?

Edit: Didn't see the Niko post.

[Browning]

P_3 your defense is needed

[P_3]

It will just be you, Thommo and SvN left. Thommo will then know, with Mahow confirmed Librarian, that SvN is safe and you must the Imp. And SvN will know that, with Mahow confirmed Librarian, that Thommo is the Drunk Empath and you must be the Imp.

[Gray Fox]

But... if you are the Virgin he should be dead already and it should be night.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Someone is lying here.

[Browning]

I don't know if that was the defense, if he wants to make another one, so be it.... but ok:

Voting is open on P_3

Once the living has voted I'll leave voting open for another half an hour (on every vote going forward) for Dead Votes. There are only a few dead votes available at the moment from Baz Manc Boydy and Gray Fox so they can also just vote No if they want to speed us up.

[Spikey M]

But... if you are the Virgin he should be dead already and it should be night.

Unless Niko is a baddie?

[P_3]

My defence: I'm the Virgin. Niko is not the Slayer which he has claimed therefore he didn't die. He is the big bad.

[P_3]

No for me. Obviously.

[Browning]

3 needed to execute today as there are 5 players alive.

[P_3]

Just to test what happens:

I would like to slay Niko with my Slayer ability.

[Spikey M]

The lack of reaction when Niko failed to kill Mahow was odd thinking about it. I do wonder if all 3 baddies are still kicking about. Niko smells funny to me right now. SvN coincidently absent when needed again too.

Not sure P3 is the right choice here at all... but I can't vote.

[Baz]

So niko's a baddie then, surely.

[Gray Fox]

There’s at most 2 bads left. If there were 3 the game would be over.

We must now choose if Niko is a bad and therefore immune, P3 is lying or worst case, both.

[niko_cee]

Yes for me.

Reasoning is thus. Why given the reveal of his role yesterday, would the demon not kill P3, but instead someone who's role was over? Like, the least good person you could probably kill in the circumstances?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

So niko's a baddie then, surely.

Or P_3 is lying.

[niko_cee]

:D

lol

What a double bluff.

[Browning]

P_3 has claimed Slayer and shot Niko....

Nothing happens.

[Spikey M]

Or P_3 is lying.

Either you or Niko are.

[niko_cee]

I'm so fucking lost now.

[Browning]

There’s at most 2 bads left. If there were 3 the game would be over.


Not strictly true. In a world where 3 bads are still left you could kill 1 today and get to Final 3 tomorrow.

[Spikey M]

I'm so fucking lost now.

If you're the slayer and Mahow is the librarian, he should be dead. P3 was right on that and.... silence. Then HE gets nominated?

Niko and Mahow are suss as fuck. P3 is a good guy.

[Spikey M]

AND if Niko is a good guy and P3 is the virgin, Niko should be dead for nominating him?

Niko is so fucking suss.

[niko_cee]

No, you've lost me. Why should Mahow be dead on those facts?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If you're the slayer and Mahow is the librarian, he should be dead. P3 was right on that and.... silence. Then HE gets nominated?

Niko and Mahow are suss as fuck. P3 is a good guy.

What?

If Niko is the slayer I'd only be dead if I was the demon.

[Browning]

The Slayer can only kill the demon. If Niko is the Slayer and Mahow is the Librarian the slayer shot would fail.

It's important to note that as Storyteller I'm obliged to play along with any and all bluffs. Hypothetically in a game with no Slayer, if all the players came out on Day 1 and said they were the Slayer and shot someone, I'd have to confirm each and every time that nothing happened.

[Spikey M]

Damn it.

[SvN]

No on P_3

[Gray Fox]

So I'm going to choose to follow and explain the info to get to my vote.

My info is that either Mahow or Baz is the Baron. If the Baron is in play we would have 3 outsiders. The Recluse and the Saint came forward on day one. The usual outsider count is 1. The only other role that potentially affects the outsider count in this script is the Spy, but I don't think game 1 we would be handed a Baron and a Spy.

I didn't reveal my info to anyone but Mahow came forward with his claim of Librarian seeing a Drunk. This confirms my own information. This is the only thing I am sure cannot be incorrect in this game. If you believe me to be good/evil, Mahow must be the same. The Demon could not bluff that without it being easily ruled out.

Mahow saw the drunk as being either Baz or Thomma. As we know Baz must be the Baron, Thomma must be the drunk and therefore his gamelong info of a 1 reading must be wrong. This then means P3 and SvN are in the clear. The only other person left in the game is Niko and he's the odd one out.

I vote no.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You really are sleep deprived.

You're dead, are you really using your ghost vote on this?

[Browning]

A no is not a Ghost Vote.

[Gray Fox]

Well I'm putting my hand down so it's not really a vote.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm also tired.

[Browning]

Sir Andy Mahowry and thommo left to vote.

Technically you're supposed to vote the next time you post so sort it out Mahow.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Apologies.

I'll vote no.

I think they might both be lying but I think Niko is more likely to be the imp.

[thommo]

I said earlier I think niko is more likely to be the Imp, hiding behind the Slayer bluff. I'm voting no.

[SvN]

Nicely coordinated fellas

[thommo]

No private conversations allowed during nomination phase, "Saint".

[Browning]

I think it's unlikely you're going to get 2 of the 3 remaining Ghost Votes (given that Gray Fox has voted no) within half an hour so with the hope of getting through this phase this night I will say that

1 vote is not enough and P_3 is safe for today.

Nominations are open.

[Baz]

Yeah, I nominate P3, he's a lying shit and is trying to sow seeds of discontent among hard working honest villagers.P_3 says he's the virgin.

https://i.imgur.com/Eu8qdjL.png

niko_cee is still alive, and therefore a baddie, surely?


So niko's a baddie then, surely.

[Gray Fox]

We kill Niko today and if the game continues, P3 tomorrow?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

P_3 says he's the virgin.

https://i.imgur.com/Eu8qdjL.png

niko_cee is still alive, and therefore a baddie, surely?

P_3 could be lying as well.

They could even both by lying to try and play us.

Anyway, I nominate Niko.

Reason being I think he's most likely to be the imp.

[P_3]

P_3 could be lying as well.
Are you doubting your own information? If Thommo is the Drunk then me and SvN are good.

But a yes for Niko. He needs to go.

[Baz]

Is he up?

I’m a yes

[P_3]

Baz is awfully jovial that Niko is up for nomination, considering they are on the same team. :sherlock:

[niko_cee]

Well, my defence is that you are wrong in whatever hypothesis has led you to this point. I am a humble slayer townsperson.

[Browning]

Let niko_cee defend himself first.

Or if an hour passes, then you can vote.

[Browning]

Posted at the same time.

Voting open on Niko

[niko_cee]

I feel that has happened too many times in this thread.

[Browning]

Tagging Baz and P_3 just so they see their votes need to be cast again.

[P_3]

Yes for Niko. If he's a humble Slayer he should have died when he nominated me.

He can't be Drunk because then Thommo's information would be correct and SvN would be a minion not a Saint. But as we have a Baron, SvN must be the Saint.

[Baz]

Yes from the monk (me)

[Gray Fox]

We already have the numbers for a death right? In which case I'll keep my hand down as you never know.

[Browning]

No. There's 2 votes so far including a dead vote from Baz. 1 more is required to put him on the block.
SvN thommo niko_cee and @Mahow still left to vote.

[thommo]

I think this fits the most here. It's a yes from me.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yes.

[niko_cee]

It's a bad choice boys but don't worry, I've cracked it.

[Spikey M]

Nice of Mahow to wait until the decisive vote had been made.

Watch him lads.

[Browning]

4 is going to be incredibly hard to tie/beat even if SvN votes no. If he votes yes and makes it 5 then it's probably a done deal.

I'll give half an hour or so for people to tell me if they intend to nominate again after this vote. If not, we'll call it there.

[SvN]

Yes. Let's get on with it.

[Browning]

I'll give the 10 minutes I promised, but I don't think you're going to beat 5.

Niko is on the block with 5 votes.

[Browning]

Niko_Cee is executed and dies and the game.....

continues.

It is night

[Offshore Toon]

Can we get an updated graphic plz? I've skimmed the last page or two.

[Browning]

SvN died in the night

It's the final day. You must execute the Imp today or evil will win.

I'm happy to accept nominations whenever if we want to finish this tonight, but equally i'm happy to allow conversation and finish it tomorrow. We kind of need everyone here (that can still vote) for the final day so that may be more advisable.

[Spikey M]

Can we get an updated graphic plz? I've skimmed the last page or two.

+1

[Browning]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/658796671123324958/883480942310744134/unknown.png?width=585&height=563

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

With the info my powers have given me, coupled with what GF has I think P_3 is the (g)imp.

That makes the most sense to me. Me as the librarian, P_3 as the baddie and Thommo as the drunk.

This isn't a nomination as we need to hear more from the town, dead and alive.

[Spikey M]

So from just the info posted here, the Recluse which is being hard claimed by Spikey can register as evil to other players abilities. Given Offy has claimed Chef and got a 1 from that, I would suggest that ping actually means that someone evil is actually sat next to Spikey at the table as your evil pair.

Those players are Mahow and SvN.

Just saying...

[P_3]

Unfortunately that doesn't calculate. If Thommo is Drunk, he wouldn't get a 1 sitting next to me (the supposed imp). He would get a 0 or 2.

[Browning]

Happy for dead players to PM me who they want to vote for if they don't think they'll be around much tomorrow. Obviously living players will need to be here to nominate. Dead votes could be huge and this is the final day so make sure you use them.

Talk it over, figure it out and we'll open the nominations tomorrow evening. I'll say 5pm unofficially but if the 3 living players want to agree to do it earlier i'm happy to do it any time tomorrow really. We just need to keep in mind the dead players need time to get their votes in too.

Whichever way it goes, it's going to be fascinating to watch.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Unfortunately that doesn't calculate. If Thommo is Drunk, he wouldn't get a 1 sitting next to me (the supposed imp). He would get a 0 or 2.

There is another possibility we have not thought about.

We know that one minion is the baron but we've not even discussed what the second minion could be.

What if they're a poisoner and they went after me on the first night? I could have been given two fake potential drunks. This would mean that Thommo is the actual empath and his reading of 1 has been correct the whole game.

[Baz]

I mean, is there even a baron at this point?

Everyone seems to think it’s me, which it is not.

[Gray Fox]

First things first. Thomma should have new info to share.

[Baz]

And then kill P_3?

[thommo]

I got told that 2 of my neighbours were evil last night. So either I'm with two evil players (possible but unlikely) or I've been drunk the whole time.

[Gray Fox]

The 1 you’ve been getting all game makes no sense if P_3 is the big bad.

[thommo]

If we've let mahow live this whole time and he's been evil...

He COULD have been the Baron and it could have been passed to him by the Demon. Being the Baron he might have gambled on a Drunk being in the game, once only Spikey had come forward with an outsider claim. I just don't know any more.

[Offshore Toon]

Of course it's Mahow you fucking morons. How you didn't get that from the start I have no idea.

[P_3]

If we've let mahow live this whole time and he's been evil...

He COULD have been the Baron and it could have been passed to him by the Demon. Being the Baron he might have gambled on a Drunk being in the game, once only Spikey had come forward with an outsider claim. I just don't know any more.
The players killed in the night:
Boydy
Spikey - Must be Recluse
Gray Fox
SvN - Must be Saint

I guess Boydy or Gray Fox could have been the first Imp before killing themselves to pass it on to Mahow. But Boydy's death was early and Mahow was still happy to die the following day. As for Gray Fox, he would be neighbours with Niko (definitely evil) and Mahow, making it a run of 2 pairings of evil players for Offshore, not 1.

[Spikey M]

It's always Mahow. Even when it isn't.

[Gray Fox]

Bluffing as an extremely expendable character that is spent after night 1 doesn't make sense as a Demon.

[Baz]

Maybe he realised we were all dumb

[Gray Fox]

Not when he must have surely known that "kill Mahow lols" was bound to happen.

[Offshore Toon]

I've only tried to kill Mahow once before and he was a wolf. While you losers run up your post count, some of us actually know what we're doing.

[Gray Fox]

Well we have 3 alive players. It's 2v1 one way or the other. I'd like to hear each players take on where the game is and who they intend to nominate.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think it's P_3.

I believe I was poisoned on the first night and saw two fake potential drunks (rather than 1 fake and the actual drunk) which led to me thinking that Thommo was the drunk.

[P_3]

So you're not concerned that Thommo is now saying his information is pointing to you as evil?

[Baz]

What you doing then?

[Browning]

Nominations are open

5 minutes earlier than advertised but oh well.

Happy for this to go as long as needed tonight, but would prefer if we resolve it before we lose everyone at midnight (ish).
SvN Manc Boydy niko_cee and Gray Fox have those dead votes ready.

[P_3]

I've got my heart saying one thing and my head another, so I'll let you guys duff it out between yourselves before flipping the coin.

[Spikey M]

Once more from the back:

IT'S MAHOW YOU CUNTS.

[Gray Fox]

If no one nominates anyone, assuming we have 2 good players left to 1 evil, would we get another day tomorrow?