COVID: Will you be getting the vaccine?

[Offshore Toon]

Not sure how far this has been discussed in the main thread, but would be good to see figures. I'll make the poll anonymous but it would be good to hear people's reasonings.

[Disco]

Sure, why wouldn't you?

[Raoul Duke]

Sure, why wouldn't you?

Because some guy with a neckbeard posted a YouTube video about 5G?

I'll get it once the Dutch government/EU stop shitting the bed and get a shift on to make it available.

[Pepe]

I already got my first dose. Don't really care either way, tbh, but might as well get it over with. If it becomes an every six months or every year thing, I might not bother though.

[Don]

I don't do medication unless essential (no flu jabs, painkillers etc) and already have the worst of long COVID that I could realistically have so not unless it becomes necessary for something like a foreign trip.

[Disco]

Because some guy with a neckbeard posted a YouTube video about 5G?

I've never really looked into exactly what these Johnsons think 5g is going to do to them, it surely can't do anything to their brains that nature hasn't already.

[Spikey M]

Yes. Because I want life to get back to normal and I need a holiday ASAP.

[Alex]

Yeah. I quality as "vulnerable" (although I definitely wouldn't consider myself as such, but I fall into the category and got the text message, so whatever) so I've already had the first dose (AZ) maybe about a month ago now. The second one got booked at the same time. I think it's June or something.

I can't almost understand not being arsed about it. For example, I get offered my Flu jab every year and never take it, just because I can't be bothered and don't see the Flu as a risk to me. I don't see COVID as a risk to me either to be honest. But this is different, it's very much part of collective effort isn't it. I want my (and everybody else's) life to return to normal as soon as possible, and if sticking a needle in my arm helps achieve that then fine.

[Kikó]

I would and see no reason not to.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've had my first jab and I've got my second booked for the end of the month.

[Shindig]

I'll get it. The last thing I want is for a holiday or something to get cancelled because my test at Heathrow came back positive.

[Magic]

No. Don't see the need when it's harmless to most, especially me.

[Spikey M]

No. Don't see the need when it's harmless to most, especially me.

"People with learning disabilities had higher death rate from COVID-19
England death rate up to 6 times higher from coronavirus during the first wave of the pandemic than the general population, Public Health England study finds."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/people-with-learning-disabilities-had-higher-death-rate-from-covid-19

[Kikó]

Arf!

[Lofty]

Completed it, mate.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's everyone's civic duty to get it. The more people vaccinated, the less covid there is.

[Manc]

I'll be remaining lizard free.

[mugbull]

It's everyone's civic duty to get it. The more people vaccinated, the less covid there is.

+1

The shit is fucking free

[randomlegend]

I've already had two doses of Pfizer.

If I had kids I'd definitely be getting it. We've had a few cases of PIMSTS at work - it's not that rare and is nasty - and I'd want to do everything to reduce the chances of my kid getting that, even if it's more likely they'd catch covid at school than from me either way.

[Pleb]

Already got it thanks.

[7om]

Already my first dose of the superior GOD SAVE THE QUEEN Astrazeneca product.

[Baz]

I don't think I'll be offered it.

[Luca]

Got my first Pfizer dose. Can confirm that my 5G signal has improved substantially.

[Magic]

I've already had two doses of Pfizer.

If I had kids I'd definitely be getting it. We've had a few cases of PIMSTS at work - it's not that rare and is nasty - and I'd want to do everything to reduce the chances of my kid getting that, even if it's more likely they'd catch covid at school than from me either way.

Is that right, even though it's completely harmless to children and they don't spread it.

[Spikey M]

There's that learning disability again.

[Kikó]

Doctor who works with children is unlikely to know the impact compared to Dr Tragic.

[Magic]

Jimmy Saville worked with children he probably knew more about novid effects.

[Spikey M]

Kiko on the ropes.

[Kikó]

Played the Saville trump card. FFS.

[Magic]

Team marriage ganging up on me again with their miserable jibes.

[Spikey M]

Team NoFlid.

[Yevrah]

Yes. Because I want life to get back to normal and I need a holiday ASAP.

+1

I should be called soon.

[Mike]

I’ll get it, yeah.

[Serj]

Definitely. I see no reason not to.

[Reg]

Yes, I'll vaccine right up.

It's everyone's civic duty to get it. The more people vaccinated, the less covid there is.
Does this not contradict with your statement that you won't do any tests when asymptomatic?

[Don]

What Jimmy means is he's bought that line so is happy to spout it because it simultaneously makes him feel good to do so. Very effective demonstration of the ugly side of this debate.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Getting vaccinated against a disease is significantly higher leverage for society than speculatively testing yourself for it.

[Boydy]

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[Kikó]

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Booked.

[Manc]

Hip to be square.

[Offshore Toon]

To be honest, I'm undecided. I've been ignoring COVID as best I can since late last year, so I may just be speaking out of pure ignorance, but the only reason to get it seems to be for a vaccine passport, which I'm not sure will actually materialise. I more than fancy my chances against COVID should I catch it, so the big question is are other people at more risk by me not getting the vaccine? From what I've read, it seems you can still carry and pass on COVID so surely getting the vaccine is solely about protecting yourself?

[Jimmy Floyd]

If enough of the population becomes immune (whether through vaccination or through having had it), a critical mass will be reached at which point the virus will no longer be able to spread because too many people are immune. Herd immunity. Mass vaccination is about reaching this point. The vaccine protecting you is pretty much irrelevant (unless you're old or vulnerable).

Israel have already got there, pretty much.

[Spikey M]

You are 80% less likely to catch it after vaccination which will have a big effect on transmission.

Edit: What Jim said.

[wullie]

I had my first AZ dose about three weeks ago, if my lockdown diet hasn't killed me nothing will.

[Offshore Toon]

That sounds like enough of a reason to get jabbed. I'm now 'YES'.

[Dquincy]

Undecided. Concerned about the microchip.

[Shindig]

Facebook already has your data. Fuck it.

[Disco]

I shall insist on a chip in mine, I want my moneys worth.

[Shindig]

Always take a free upgrade.

[randomlegend]

Is that right, even though it's completely harmless to children and they don't spread it.

PIMSTS isn't covid, it's a hyper inflammatory state some kids get a number of weeks after covid infection (similar to something like Kawasaki's disease).

The ones we've had have required transfer to PICU. There are potentially long term effects from it as well as it can affect the coronary arteries amongst other things.

[Kikó]

Just had my AZ :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Did everyone in the vaccination centre stop and applaud their lord as he was injected? /Giggles.

[Kikó]

It was awkward but yes that happened and I was also carried out on a throne. There was rapturous applause as we left.

[Shindig]

North Kikorea.

[Lewis]

If that ironic '/Giggles' is anything like the ironic racism I see thrown around this place he should be worrying about a wider backlash.

[Dquincy]

PIMSTS isn't covid, it's a hyper inflammatory state some kids get a number of weeks after covid infection (similar to something like Kawasaki's disease).

The ones we've had have required transfer to PICU. There are potentially long term effects from it as well as it can affect the coronary arteries amongst other things.
Be interesting to know the risk percentage of a young child suffering from PIMSTS compared to suffering a serious side affect from the poison, err vaccine. Both are going to be extremely low I'd imagine.

[Kikó]

The poison. Is that what your mate is calling it?

[Boydy]

I hear Magic suffers from PMITA

[Kikó]

:D x

[Magic]

That's Igor.

[Magic]

RL suffers from PMS.

[Dquincy]

The poison. Is that what your mate is calling it?

Nah, I'll probably take it if offered. Especially if it means I can go to places without limitation (which is fucking ridiculous).

[Reg]

Getting vaccinated against a disease is significantly higher leverage for society than speculatively testing yourself for it.
Yes, but it's another way of helping out.

I can understand why some people were and are reluctant to test though. The required isolation and missing work - depending on your circumstance - is costly and isn't being properly compensated by the government.

[Spikey M]

Yes, but it's another way of helping out.

I can understand why some people were and are reluctant to test though. The required isolation and missing work - depending on your circumstance - is costly and isn't being properly compensated by the government.

I'm not doing it because I don't believe it's necessary and I won't contribute towards any effort to prevent the move back to normality once the vaccine is rolled out.

I don't want a stick making me retch twice a week. I don't want to have to "show my papers" if I want a pint. I don't want to be told when I can and can't hug my family and friends.

Give me my vaccine and get the fuck out of my face.

[Dquincy]

I'm not doing it because I don't believe it's necessary and I won't contribute towards any effort to prevent the move back to normality once the vaccine is rolled out.

I don't want a stick making me retch twice a week. I don't want to have to "show my papers" if I want a pint. I don't want to be told when I can and can't hug my family and friends.

Give me my vaccine and get the fuck out of my face.

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment, I sadly do not think the vaccine will mean they'll get the fuck out of your face. Goal posts are constantly being moved by BJ & Co.

[Spikey M]

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment, I sadly do not think the vaccine will mean they'll get the fuck out of your face. Goal posts are constantly being moved by BJ & Co.

And that's exactly why I'm not doing any of it. The vaccine is 80% effective at stopping the spread and 100% effective against severe cases. There is no need for the 1984 bollocks.

[Yevrah]

Yes, but it's another way of helping out.

With the level of vaccinations we've employed it'd barely be helping out at all. It's the pandemic equivalent of having a BLM themed Facebook profile photo.

[Spoonsky]

What 1984 bollocks have there actually been in England?

We're into month four of an 8pm curfew here in Quebec. Got pushed to 9:30 for a few joyous weeks but they've just set it back in response to a spike, which means it is actually still light now at the minute when you're no longer allowed to leave your house.

[Yevrah]

Goal posts are constantly being moved by BJ & Co.

I hope by 'Co' you mean scientists. They're absolutely what's driving this nonsense.

[Yevrah]

What 1984 bollocks have there actually been in England?

I've never actually read 1984, but if 'attempted population control by media manipulated lies' fits, then that. We've had months of it now.

[Spikey M]

I've never actually read it either :D

My understanding of it is that it's about a mass surveillance state that wants full control and micromanagement of it's subjects lives.

Well Vaccine Passports and the requirement to give businesses your name, address and phone number just to have a bit of lunch fulfill the first criteria and, as Yev said, deceitful media and ever moving goalposts fulfil the second.

We're obviously not really in "the walls have ears" territory, but this all just feels a bit power grabby to me.

[Spikey M]

And to illustrate my point, as the vaccine rollout moves from grandparents to parents we get;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56696907

The difference between the headline and the content is worthy of The Daily Mail.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've read it, it's overrated and probably misunderstood. His other stuff is better.

[Kikó]

Go and read 1984 ffs. Everyone quotes it and you haven't even read it.

Day 1 of the vaccine, feel pretty groggy and out of it but nothing too bad yet. Missus seems to be wiped out.

[Spikey M]

Go and read 1984 ffs. Everyone quotes it and you haven't even read it.

Day 1 of the vaccine, feel pretty groggy and out of it but nothing too bad yet. Missus seems to be wiped out.

Nah. I tried Animal Farm once and it was shit.

The video my mates dad had of it was better.

[Ian]

All the actual questionable shit the government, police, etc. do but yeah "prove you've had a jab before you come into a crowd room for a pint" that's the real '1984' shit.

[Magic]

And to illustrate my point, as the vaccine rollout moves from grandparents to parents we get;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56696907

The difference between the headline and the content is worthy of The Daily Mail.

Lol isn't this what RL claimed would wipe out the child population as we know it.

[Spikey M]

All the actual questionable shit the government, police, etc. do but yeah "prove you've had a jab before you come into a crowd room for a pint" that's the real '1984' shit.

You can't really include the government and the police under "new powers".


Lol isn't this what RL claimed would wipe out the child population as we know it.
Yes. That is exactly what he said.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What 1984 bollocks have there actually been in England?

We're into month four of an 8pm curfew here in Quebec. Got pushed to 9:30 for a few joyous weeks but they've just set it back in response to a spike, which means it is actually still light now at the minute when you're no longer allowed to leave your house.

They seem to have a raging hard on for curfews in European countries (which Quebec basically is). Never even been suggested here, and we've had much tougher restrictions (in terms of not being able to see family etc) than Europe have had. What is the point of curfews? Surely they just compress the time in which people are out there and mixing, which must surely harm rather than help.

It must be cultural in some way.

[Spikey M]

They seem to have a raging hard on for curfews in European countries (which Quebec basically is). Never even been suggested here, and we've had much tougher restrictions (in terms of not being able to see family etc) than Europe have had. What is the point of curfews? Surely they just compress the time in which people are out there and mixing, which must surely harm rather than help.

It must be cultural in some way.

Turkey had different Curfews for different age groups, which is fun. Luckily people don't live in mixed age households.

[Shindig]

Vaccine passports won't happen beyond the airport. Given how high our vaccine uptake is, there's little point to them.

[Kikó]

All the actual questionable shit the government, police, etc. do but yeah "prove you've had a jab before you come into a crowd room for a pint" that's the real '1984' shit.

This. Of all the shit the govt are actually doing, this is the thing that is the issue. Brain dead morans.

[Spikey M]

It is an issue, yes. Freedom matters. AntiVaxxers are idiots but they're entitled to not take an injection if they so wish and stripping them of their liberties isn't ok in a free society.

Interesting precedent you guys are happy to set though.

[Kikó]

But it's a leap Spikes to say we will need covid passports (I don't think that's a workable solution). If you are being denied entry to private venues due to it then it's a decision made by the business directly. You need vaccines for many different things so it's not that unusual/unreasonable.

[Spikey M]

But it's a leap Spikes to say we will need covid passports (I don't think that's a workable solution). If you are being denied entry to private venues due to it then it's a decision made by the business directly. You need vaccines for many different things so it's not that unusual/unreasonable.

I (obviously) don't think we need them, but the Government are atleast floating the idea of us having them. Even if it's not enforced, they're still giving private businesses the right to discriminate based on a belief system. And for what reason? The unvaccinated are not a risk to the vaccinated.

[Kikó]

If private companies discriminate, they probably will end up in court for abuse of human rights.

[Dquincy]

Spikerino is bang on.

And whilst vaccines are clearly not unsual in itself, the 'vaccine passport' is a dangerous precedent to set moving forwards.

[Dquincy]

I hope by 'Co' you mean scientists. They're absolutely what's driving this nonsense.
Yes, they are part of the 'Co'. But I think they are mostly (and massively) risk aversed which is driving their approach.

[Spikey M]

If private companies discriminate, they probably will end up in court for abuse of human rights.

How? The Government have said they can (or will be able to).

[Kikó]

How? The Government have said they can (or will be able to).

By going to court. Human rights supersedes what the govt says if it breaches HR law.

[Spikey M]

By going to court. Human rights supersedes what the govt says if it breaches HR law.

It would be the Government in hot water over it rather than the businesses, right? (Not that I'd be opposed to seeing the likes of Tim Martin getting dragged too).

[Ian]

Interesting precedent you guys are happy to set though.

If this is the game you'd like to play then presumably I can infer you're happy with any other ways freedoms might be infringed upon so long as we're allowed to get pints without question?

I thought it was fairly clear my post wasn't "vaccine passports are fine" but "why is it you only care about 'Big Brother' now?"

[Spikey M]

If this is the game you'd like to play then presumably I can infer you're happy with any other ways freedoms might be infringed upon so long as we're allowed to get pints without question?

I thought it was fairly clear my post wasn't "vaccine passports are fine" but "why is it you only care about 'Big Brother' now?"

I am opposed to any freedoms being opposed so I'm not sure where you're getting that.

You're saying this as if I'm normally supportive of our government? I haven't liked a single government we've had since I turned old enough to vote. Including the only one I (sort of) won, when Clegg got in and immediately chucked all of his promises in the river.

I'm not sure what tone you've been reading my posts in over the years, but if you've come to the conclusion that I'm cool with the steady erosion of freedom then you've got me massively wrong.

[Ian]

I am opposed to any freedoms being opposed so I'm not sure where you're getting that.

I'm not, I was intentionally misreading your post because I could only assume that's what you'd done with mine.

[mugbull]

What's wrong with vaccine passports? If you're enough of a turd that you won't go get a vaccine after 14 months of this bullshit, you should be barred from having fun

[Ian]

Including the only one I (sort of) won

Totally unrelated to this thread but this just reminded me of a thing I saw recently that apparently if you're under a certain age in the UK (I'm gonna say mid-30s ish?) and vote how people of your age group statistically voted then you've basically never voted for a party that won an election but if you move that age bracket up however many years you've basically voted for the winner most times for decades.

No idea if that's true but it tallies for a lot of people I know for the younger group I'd say.

[Lewis]

I've won every national vote I've ever voted in. :lewis:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Tory-haters need not fear, give it another 5-10 years and the housing situation will basically guarantee Labour governments for decades (unless or until something changes quite radically in the housing supply). Either outcome to the Scottish situation (independence, or the movement fizzling out) will also help Labour.

Renting cohorts will never, ever, ever vote Conservative.

[Don]

What's wrong with vaccine passports? If you're enough of a turd that you won't go get a vaccine after 14 months of this bullshit, you should be barred from having fun

Did you hear about these BLM riots? Or that gay couple who didn't get the cake design they wanted?

It seems like a remote possibility and even if it was to come in, it would only be for a limited period and to select yuppie events that are easy to avoid so it's not a big issue but all these anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists like Spikey seem to be clinging on to it to fuel some argument no one is interested in having.

[Spikey M]

Totally unrelated to this thread but this just reminded me of a thing I saw recently that apparently if you're under a certain age in the UK (I'm gonna say mid-30s ish?) and vote how people of your age group statistically voted then you've basically never voted for a party that won an election but if you move that age bracket up however many years you've basically voted for the winner most times for decades.

No idea if that's true but it tallies for a lot of people I know for the younger group I'd say.

I just had a look at the previous elections and I was just old enough to vote for Blair in 2005... but I didn't give a fuck about politics back then, so I didn't. Still, atleast there's no Iraqi blood on my hands :cool:


anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists like Spikey

:D fuck off

[Ian]

Still, atleast there's no Iraqi blood on my hands :cool:

Just Nick Clegg's tears. :(

[Lewis]

I remember my history teacher in 2005 making a big deal out of 'Vote Blair, Get Brown', as if that was going to solve all the problems and set New Labour up for the next ten years. The Iron Chancellor. The CLUNKING FIST. Meanwhile, he was actually an ocean-going mentalist.

[Dquincy]

From Sky News. Thought it was worth sharing.


Tiny number of infections among fully vaccinated people revealed by US health officials

Just 5,800 cases of COVID-19 infection have been reported among the 66 million people who have been fully vaccinated in the US, officials have revealed.

The Center for Disease Control and Infection say the number of cases – which equates to a rate of 0.008% of those who have completed a full course of jabs - is in line with expectations.

Of the 5,800 cases, 396 (7%) required hospital treatment and 74 people died.

The figures reflect what health authorities have consistently said about vaccination – that it does not offer complete protection against death and disease.

And the CDC said in a statement to CNN: "To date, no unexpected patterns have been identified in case demographics or vaccine characteristics."

[niko_cee]

Risk of rare blood clots higher for Covid than for vaccines - study
A study suggests the risk of getting rare blood clots is eight to 10 times higher after contracting coronavirus than it is for those who have been vaccinated against the disease.

Researchers at Oxford University (independent of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine) said the risk of cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT) - an unusual blood clot in the brain also known as CVST (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis) - is around eight to 10 times higher after catching the virus than getting vaccinated with the BioNTech-Pfizer, Moderna or Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid jabs.

The researchers said people who have had Covid shouldn't be unduly worried by clots either.

The findings come after many European countries moved to restrict the use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine in younger people following reports of these rare blood clots.

:harold:

[7om]

74 deaths out of 66 million vaccinated. That's 0.0001%. But yeah, let's keep saying "not completely protective".

[Kikó]

The make up of that 74 (e.g. ages, gender) is important to understand if there's a higher risk profile for certain groups and advise accordingly.

[7om]

There is no advice to give. Unless we develop more effective treatments or vaccines that protect better than 99.999% of deaths then this is it. Even if you found all 74 of those deaths were in a very particular group it would still come out at an incredibly low percentage.

[Yevrah]

The make up of that 74 (e.g. ages, gender) is important to understand if there's a higher risk profile for certain groups and advise accordingly.

This is a wind up, surely?

[Kikó]

How is it a wind up? Warnings are provided on medicines and vaccines all the time. Don't be obtuse.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

74 deaths out of 66 million vaccinated. That's 0.0001%. But yeah, let's keep saying "not completely protective".

74 is far too much, time to stop the vaccines.

[Yevrah]

How is it a wind up? Warnings are provided on medicines and vaccines all the time. Don't be obtuse.

The number is far too small to necessitate any sort of analysis as to what groups the 74 fell into.

[Dquincy]

How is it a wind up? Warnings are provided on medicines and vaccines all the time. Don't be obtuse.
Are you maaaaad? :cab:

74 people out of 66 million fully vaccinated people have died from covid and you want to know the risk profile.

[Shindig]

The number is far too small to necessitate any sort of analysis as to what groups the 74 fell into.

I agree, although it seems women are being hit harder by it. The J+J clots are all women so far but ours is a wider spread. The only advice they can possibly dish out at the moment is what to do when you suspect a CVST is kicking off.

[Kikó]

Again, stratify the 74. I'm sure they have the data. I'm not saying you stop the vaccine rollout but you try to understand if it increases risk factors for *certain groups*.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

But it's bollocks because the group would have to be incredibly niche because 74 (in near enough any group) will be such a small percentage of those vaccinated in said group.

[Spikey M]

Not really. What if they're all under 30? That 74 then comes from a much smaller pool of people and one that is going to grow significantly in future. He's only saying look at the data and make sure it's not pointing at a bigger future problem ffs.

[Don]

Spikey and Kiko in the mud in here today. You love to see it.

[Yevrah]

Presumably the 74 would have died from COVID if they hadn't had the vaccine, so I really don't understand why anyone would give a shit (statistically speaking) that 74 people (from sixty-six, 66, sixty-fucking-six million) have still caught COVID and died having been vaccinated.

[Yevrah]

Spikey and Kiko in the mud in here today. You love to see it.

I can only assume the article was misread and they thought the vaccine had killed 74 people, but even then...

As it is, if it isn't that, I've no idea what is going on.

[7om]

Like I said, it would have to be an incredibly specific cohort for that number to be meaningful. It’s bollocks and further proves the point that the products are safe and efficacious and no amount of spin is going to deter that. I don’t care what the 1 in a million risks are. Fuck off and stop telling me the products don’t protect us when they do.

[Spikey M]

Presumably the 74 would have died from COVID if they hadn't had the vaccine, so I really don't understand why anyone would give a shit (statistically speaking) that 74 people (from sixty-six, 66, sixty-fucking-six million) have still caught COVID and died having been vaccinated.

Yep, almost certainly just unlucky cases.

But, potentially they were ultra-vulnerable people? Or, maybe they all had diabetes? Or another condition?

What's the harm in finding out if there's something that links these people? It may be that there's an easy fix and it's not like we have to stop vaccinating while they look into it.

[Don]

Take the L, you mug.

[Shindig]

Aren't these all from the first doses? So it's 74 in 31 million. Even then, that number will be smaller because it takes 7-21 days for the clots to strike.

[7om]

It’s from the US CDC.

[Yevrah]

Yep, almost certainly just unlucky cases.

But, potentially they were ultra-vulnerable people? Or, maybe they all had diabetes? Or another condition?

What's the harm in finding out if there's something that links these people? It may be that there's an easy fix and it's not like we have to stop vaccinating while they look into it.

They'll already have looked into it and I don't care if they do, I just don't think we need any more warnings or advice on the back of it.

Do people actively want to go into lockdown again?

[Yevrah]

Aren't these all from the first doses? So it's 74 in 31 million. Even then, that number will be smaller because it takes 7-21 days for the clots to strike.

Please read the piece again, for the love of God.

[Spikey M]

They'll already have looked into it and I don't care if they do, I just don't think we need any more warnings or advice on the back of it.

Do people actively want to go into lockdown again?

Fair. I've no disagreement there.

[Kikó]

I don't really understand the adverse reaction. Investigation of data doesn't mean it isn't largely safe for a huge part of the population. But I guess this is feckless from the SCIENCE.

[Spoonsky]

I can only assume the article was misread and they thought the vaccine had killed 74 people, but even then...

As it is, if it isn't that, I've no idea what is going on.

Yeah I thought the 74 was the number of people who had died from blood-clots, until re-reading just now and seeing that I've conflated Quincy and Niko's links. Good timing too as I was about to put my body on the line defending Kiko and Spikey.

[Kikó]

Jesus we're bored. Open the clubs.

[Shindig]

Please read the piece again, for the love of God.

You can't make me. :D You're going to be so bored when this is over.

[Yevrah]

I don't really understand the adverse reaction. Investigation of data doesn't mean it isn't largely safe for a huge part of the population. But I guess this is feckless from the SCIENCE.

There's nothing to investigate, the vaccine doesn't stop 0.0001% of people dying. That's it. If you want warnings or advice on the back of that then you should ask for the moon on a stick at the same time.

[7om]

I don't really understand the adverse reaction. Investigation of data doesn't mean it isn't largely safe for a huge part of the population. But I guess this is feckless from the SCIENCE.

I have no problem with investigation into these side effects. It’s absolutely right. What isn’t right is then using these incredibly rare side effects and deaths as a springboard to suggest the products aren’t enough for us to return to normal life. It’s disingenuous and manipulative.

[Yevrah]

You can't make me. :D You're going to be so bored when this is over.

I'm loving life opening up and I'd prefer it stayed that way, hence me not idly standing by as a good chuck of TTH thought 74 people had died from being vaccinated.

[Spikey M]

I don't really understand the adverse reaction. Investigation of data doesn't mean it isn't largely safe for a huge part of the population. But I guess this is feckless from the SCIENCE.

I thing the main source of the ire is that it shouldn't really be in the news. Which I agree with. It's worth the scientists taking a look at to make sure all is well, but an incident killing 0.0007% of people affected isn't really "news" and does smell a bit off.

[Kikó]

I'm in team Yev now. Open the garden centres.

[Spikey M]

We're basically all just saying the same thing in different ways. :D

[Yevrah]

I have no problem with investigation into these side effects. It’s absolutely right. What isn’t right is then using these incredibly rare side effects and deaths as a springboard to suggest the products aren’t enough for us to return to normal life. It’s disingenuous and manipulative.

The other problem we have (and I'm not saying it applies here) is that people are absolutely useless with numbers. There is no word in the English language to adequately describe how large sixty-six million is, other than the number itself. Conversely, there's no word good enough to describe how small 0.0001% is either. If people don't understand numbers or percentages (and that problem is wide-rife) you're a bit fucked.

[Spoonsky]

I'm loving life opening up and I'd prefer it stayed that way, hence me not idly standing by as a good chuck of TTH thought 74 people had died from being vaccinated.

And, well, that's how I kept the country open.

*broom picture*

[Yevrah]

And, well, that's how I kept the country open.

*broom picture*

Honestly, the next time China let a potential pandemic out of a lab and we vaccinate against it, we just need a simple message:

"The Vaccine is a magic bullet, kills COVID-27 dead"

"Jimmy Savile was an anti-vaxxer, take it and don't be a nonce".

[Spikey M]

there's no word good enough to describe how small 0.0001% is.

A few months back there were a load of Noob's buying this:

https://i.ibb.co/NV0443m/Screenshot-20210415-192815-Trading-212.jpg

Millions of shares at a time for peanuts. They were all saying "it only has to hit $1". None of them could grasp how ridiculous that is. It looks so close.

In reality, if that hit $1 the company - a near bankrupt Vape shop - would be valued at 5 times the value of Kelloggs.

[Kikó]

Are you saying buy?

[Spikey M]

Hold.

[Dquincy]

Yeah, you folks have misunderstood the quote I posted. It's not about side effects or blood clots.

[niko_cee]

Had a vaccine letter come through today.

For a friend who lives in Sydney, isn't from here, has never lived here, and was probably last on the island 5 years ago for a week.

:cab:

I did think about just booking in as him but I'll wait my turn.

[Queenslander]

The missus isn't getting the AZ jab because some 49 year old diabetic died of blood clots after taking the AZ.

I'm the only person in my wee bubble holding the line. Still due for my AZ jab on the 27th.

AZ is dirt now for plenty of people after a disgraceful media campaign.

[Kikó]

Yesterday was pretty rough post the jab. Fever/flu like reaction, low energy etc. Feeling a bit better already today so hopefully that was the worst of it.

[Ian]

That'll just be the depression from the SHAM MARRIAGE, mate, nothing to worry about.

[Kikó]

:( Loveless.

[7om]

I had general flu-like symptoms but the worst was joint pain. My ankles felt like they were on fire for 24 hours.

[Kikó]

Which one did you have 7om?

[Lofty]

I watched the original Dawn of the Dead again yesterday and it has some nice parallels with this shit show, mainly the media arguing etc.

[Dquincy]

The missus isn't getting the AZ jab because some 49 year old diabetic died of blood clots after taking the AZ.

I'm the only person in my wee bubble holding the line. Still due for my AZ jab on the 27th.

AZ is dirt now for plenty of people after a disgraceful media campaign.

Perhaps show her this to readjust her perspective.

https://news.sky.com/story/risk-of-blood-clot-after-covid-is-eight-times-higher-than-after-astrazeneca-jab-study-12276088

Also agree that it feels like a smear campaign against the AZ jab.

[Queenslander]

Perhaps show her this to readjust her perspective.

https://news.sky.com/story/risk-of-blood-clot-after-covid-is-eight-times-higher-than-after-astrazeneca-jab-study-12276088

Also agree that it feels like a smear campaign against the AZ jab.

Thank you I will.

The media in Australia are rotten.

[Shindig]

Perhaps show her this to readjust her perspective.

https://news.sky.com/story/risk-of-blood-clot-after-covid-is-eight-times-higher-than-after-astrazeneca-jab-study-12276088

Also agree that it feels like a smear campaign against the AZ jab.

Ditto. Big Pharma's smelling blood.

Blood clots as prevalent in Morderna and Pfizer, Oxford study reckons. (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/blood-clots-as-prevalent-with-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccine-as-with-astrazenecas-report-2021-04-15)

And now Pfizer's refusing to back their market competitors. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnson-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-blood-clot-b1832634.html)

[7om]

Which one did you have 7om?

AstraZeneca.

[Pepe]

Rip in pieces.

[Kikó]

I'm feeling pretty much recovered after feeling like crap for 12 hours. Only thing left is a sore arm.

[Baz]

I am fine.

I don’t have covid (never have, never will) and haven’t had a vaccine.

Open the saunas.

[Kikó]

Never will is a bold statement.

[Magic]

Surprising negative comment there from Mr Sunshine.

[Queenslander]

When get my jab I'll be handing out slurs liberally

[Offshore Toon]

I'm booked in for Thursday. I was just going to put it off, but since I'm bopping about the UK next month for a few weeks I thought I might as well get it over and done with. If I'd been staying in Jersey, though, with our 3-5 or so active cases heading into summer, I'd probably have waited until Winter or possibly just put it off indefinitely.

[Lewis]

I have mine booked for 7 June and 27 August. It's right opposite a weird Chinese travel agent as well, so I'll go in and smash it up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyOTaHRBTXc) afterwards.

[Magic]

Still not getting it. Anyone else got balls?

[Spikey M]

You're the one scared of an injection mate.

Maybe try "anyone else selfish?".

[Magic]

Me and my gran on it 2021

[Don]

Hold strong MJ, pressure will be at it's highest for these next 4 weeks until everyone realises it's over.

[Kikó]

What's ballsy about bottling a vaccine because you watched a YouTube video and done your research?

[Magic]

I didn't watch anything. Nothing wrong with me so why would I. Shame there isn't a vaccine for lack of spine.

[Spikey M]

Your view only works if you think we're getting the vaccine because we're scared of the virus. I've had the virus. I was fine. I still got the vaccine. Please Custard, If you want to be thick can you atleast have the decency to do it quietly.

[Manc]

It'll be a pointless exercise by the time mine comes around.

[Magic]

Your view only works if you think we're getting the vaccine because we're scared of the virus. I've had the virus. I was fine. I still got the vaccine. Please Custard, If you want to be thick can you atleast have the decency to do it quietly.

Replacing your spine with a fence post doesn't count.

[Spikey M]

Preferable to replacing your brain with a cabbage though.

[Kikó]

I didn't watch anything. Nothing wrong with me so why would I. Shame there isn't a vaccine for lack of spine.

I don't have Measles, mumps, rubella or hepatitis c either but I still had the vaccine.

[phonics]

Once again. Magic, you Pissed yourself in fear at an airport. You define coward which is why you’re not getting the vaccine because you think it makes you look hard.

[Magic]

No I'm not getting it because I am not at risk.

[phonics]

Sure thing, piss boy.

[Magic]

I don't have Measles, mumps, rubella or hepatitis c either but I still had the vaccine.

As a sound of mind 30 year old man? Also long term effects were studied. And the thing wasn't politically rushed through by big pharma.

[Kikó]

I had the hepatitis jab a few years ago before i went to India so yeah. The second half of your post is you've done your research. Fair play to you mate, you've swallowed the bullshit whole.

[Yevrah]

Even if going on holiday wasn't a potential factor I'd have still had the jab. A dose of long COVID sounds really annoying at best and pretty horrific at worst.

[Shindig]

I'll be honest, I've struggled to find any historical instances of vaccines handing out long-term side effects. Any adverse reaction seems to come from the first two months. Even so, the bad ones are of a rarity regulators will hand out a warning and let them crack on. Given that our trials started a year ago, you'd think and hope any long-term effects might have been showing up.

And yes, these vaccines have arrived at an incredible pace. A lot of that is out necessity. They have received a mountain of funding and have no shortage of volunteers to begin trials with. Those are the two obstacles that usually stifle vaccine development. With the mass rollout, they have had no shortage of data. We will know any potential long-term effects way sooner.

[Don]

Got approached this morning by NHS as they needed a muzzy face for their socials but I read the piss-poor script and told Lee to suck me off in the Group. They moved quick tho.

1394620441583656961

[Yevrah]

I hope this one can be filed in the "seen to be doing something" draw.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57232728

[Spikey M]

Probably, but it doesn't matter anyway. Nobody is going to listen to their shit anymore.

[Magic]

Off to Kirklees on Thur. :drool:

[Shindig]

They've known about North Tyneside for weeks but have only now started mass testing. Can't do owt quick, this lot.

[Yevrah]

Probably, but it doesn't matter anyway. Nobody is going to listen to their shit anymore.

True, but listening doesn't come into it if that's a precursor for local lockdowns. And we all know where local lockdowns end up...

[-james-]

Going down the local mosque to get mine now. Rung up this morning to get the appointment, sounds like Glasgow is swimming in Pfizer.

My dad's a bit of an islamophobic antivaxxer so I might tell him the nurse whispered the shahada in my ear.

[Queenslander]

On the list for the seppo shot.

[Mike]

Just had my first jab. The worst bit is the 15 minutes you have to sit in a waiting area afterwards before you can go home.

[Shindig]

I left after 10 because someone needed a seat. I can sleep on my jab arm now. :)

[Mike]

I felt awful yesterday, like I had covid again, woke up today still not feeling great but at about 10:30 it was like someone flicked a switch and I was perfectly fine, very strange. So I’ve took advantage of the day off work by cutting the grass and playing some Football Manager. Put that down as a win for the vaccine!

[Jimmy Floyd]

Mine is tomorrow morning bright and early, my plan to have it at the start of a week was scuppered by the NHS seemingly not bothering before Thursdays in this area.

[Serj]

Had my first jab (Pfizer) last Wednesday. No side effects apart from a sore arm the next day. Second dose of that one is supposedly worse, will get it in a month.
I'm currently experiencing quite some side effects from new antidepressants; I hope that will have worn off by then so that there'll be no overlap between the two.

[Shindig]

One thing the jab made me do was focus in on any weird symptom that came along.

[-james-]

I had to leg it home from the park to evacuate my bowel a few hours after my jab. All good aside from that.

[Lofty]

I had both my jabs it was all tea and biscuits in a gp surgery kitted out. Dropped the wife off for hers today in Preston and it's a big tent with a 'no weapons, no sharps, no drugs or alcohol' sign and bag search area :D

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BIcAZxFfrc

I had no idea the MMR panic was based around actual child abuse. Fuck.

[Raoul Duke]

Booked in for my first jab next week. Second one mid-July :thbup:

[Manc]

First jab all done. My arm is slowly going dead.

[Raoul Duke]

Had mine earlier too. Arm is a bit painful but not too bad, and I felt a bit shit earlier but ok now. Also got to see the Ajax stadium on my cycle down there :cool:

[Luca]

Second jab tonight. RIP my day tomorrow.

[Reg]

Had my first Pfizer last week. The whole thing was impressively efficient. But if anything there were too many volunteers. Bloody volunteers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I did get a bit suspicious about the volunteers, heroic though they may be. How can they all afford to do it?

[Spikey M]

Alot of employers are giving people time off to do it. One of my Sister in Laws mates does it 2 days a week on full pay.

[Kikó]

I did get a bit suspicious about the volunteers, heroic though they may be. How can they all afford to do it?

All employees of Microsoft. Nod nod wink wink.

[Spikey M]

He does work for them actually.

[Spikey M]

I'm joking. I have no idea who he works for.

Probably the Bill Gates Foundation directly.

[wullie]

I was going to volunteer for the commonwealth games next year but it turns out there's way more work than I was expecting in order to get the swanky tracksuit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Volunteering for sports events is basically a competitive job application. I have a mate who managed to be appointed as a volunteer to drive the umpires around at the Cricket World Cup, and it basically took six months out of his life, particularly after the fallout when Kumar Dharmasena was attacked by a swan.

[wullie]

A fella at work at the time was a London 2012 volunteer, and he made it sound like he was hobnobbing with Usain Bolt and all the gang whereas he was probably just pointing a big sign towards the stadium and trying not to cry as his feet blistered.

[Ian]

Kumar Dharmasena was attacked by a swan.

No laughing matter. They can break a man's arm.

[Yevrah]

One tried to steal my finger through a car window when I was a child. My Dad had to get out and punch it.

[7om]

:lol:

[Disco]

Fuck off swans, least deserved reputation in the animal kingdom.

[-james-]

I started the application process for volunteering at COP26 a while ago but gave up when I realised I was only on about stage 2 of 5 for what was basically going to be standing at a train station and giving directions.

[Ian]

This vaccine is bullshit. I got it nearly 24 hours ago now and I don't have magnetism superpowers yet.

[Magic]

It has to get through all that autism first.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Explains why you're not getting it, it would have no effect.

[Magic]

https://media.tenor.com/images/f21b0b34b1d181bb937b87aa879060b7/tenor.gif

[Spikey M]

This vaccine is bullshit. I got it nearly 24 hours ago now and I don't have magnetism superpowers yet.

How is life as Matthew?

[Bernanke]

How long after can you be kind of sure you're in the clear for intense side effects? Got second Moderna like 3 hours ago and nothing so far, even the arm hurts less than dose 1.

[Giggles]

Mine were the next day after the second Moderna. Was a bit tired that evening but woke up in ribbons the next morning. Only lasted the day.

[Foe]

How long after can you be kind of sure you're in the clear for intense side effects? Got second Moderna like 3 hours ago and nothing so far, even the arm hurts less than dose 1.

Aye, I was fine all day of the jab but absolutely broken the following day.

Tomorrow is likely to be unpleasant for you.

[Mike]

Mine started later in the day that I had it, felt rough the next day but about 26 hours after getting it, it was like someone flicked a switch and I was back to normal.

[Shindig]

Mine was the next day. God some shivers and then felt fine.

[Don]

Lads, no one cares, you're all melts.

[SincereTheRebel]

Still haven't given my arm to them

[Giggles]

Lads, no one cares, you're all melts.

I could still taste and smell for that whole day you idiot.

[Kikó]

Still haven't given my arm to them

Get it. You've put yourself more at risk from all the unprotected sex compared to the risk of the vaccine (or more, the risk of catching covid).

[phonics]

Get it you melt.
Agreed sincere. Don’t be a dick. I know the type. it’s not because you have a stance you’re just lazy. Ask a friend who is pro vax to arrange it for you.

[Kikó]

I was less angry in the edit.

[7om]

Spent the last two weeks on the covid wards for my respiratory rotation. You’ve got the vaccinated who have serious co-morbidities and the younger who are unvaccinated. You aren’t beyond getting hospitalised with this, Sincere. Go and get the jab mate.

[Queenslander]

Our Hermit Kingdom is opening up.

https://i.ibb.co/LPqPhP2/FB8x-DKg-VIAMcmm-V.jpg (https://ibb.co/ZJwJ1Jk)

[Queenslander]

The Prime Minister posted this for some reason?


https://i.ibb.co/SJ6MPNx/245681284-424676729027695-6303653385671384751-n-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/YbN132W)

[niko_cee]

The pivot from total eligible/worthwhile population to absolute total population is a bit of a weird one on the vaccine front.

Other than an obsession with cases I'm not sure I understand the rationale for vaccinating adolescents, and the very young (under 12) are completely off the menu worldwide aren't they? So other than trying to make vaccination coverage look less, what is the point of the absolute number? A representation of how many children are in a population?

[Queenslander]

My only guess is to protect the hospital system but Im sure it is more complicated than that.

[niko_cee]

That 90% figure though for Queensland, it is never going to be reached if it is total population, so hopefully it only refers to eligible population.

[Queenslander]

It has to be eligible surely.

[Boydy]

The pivot from total eligible/worthwhile population to absolute total population is a bit of a weird one on the vaccine front.

Other than an obsession with cases I'm not sure I understand the rationale for vaccinating adolescents, and the very young (under 12) are completely off the menu worldwide aren't they? So other than trying to make vaccination coverage look less, what is the point of the absolute number? A representation of how many children are in a population?
I read somewhere the other day about vaccinations for 5-12 year olds.

Edit: here it is

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/16/us-officials-covid-vaccine-doses-younger-children

[Pepe]

Idiots are still masking children over here, even while outdoors,. Complete fucking panic.

[SvN]

Masks are becoming increasingly rare around here.

I went to the park with my son this morning and there was a mother with her girl who looked about four, both masked up. They packed up and left before we'd even got there when they saw us coming. I can only hope that one of them has some sort of severe immune disease to warrant that level of paranoia at this stage of the pandemic.

I was also told off by a menopausal receptionist at the doctors a week ago because I went in without a mask. It didn't even cross my mind to be honest, it's been months since I used one. I do still see the occasional person wearing them, and I'd say it's still around 50% in supermarkets.

[Don]

I still store the sense of superiority I get from strolling about in a mask in the supermarket or on trains and use it to drive harder erections in the evenings.

[Yevrah]

Haven't worn one for ages now. It's a joy compared.

[Pepe]

I still need to wear one indoors on campus. That is despite the face that the vaccine is mandatory for students and over 90% of the faculty/staff is vaccinated. :moop:

[Yevrah]

Science deniers are everywhere eh Pep.

[Pepe]

At least most of the kids (except for the Chinese) remove their masks as soon as they leave the buildings and seem to have resumed their normal lives. The professors though, those I still see wearing N95s while riding their bicycles.

[mo]

In local schools we've returned to mask wearing "when moving around the school". So mostly just a pointless irritation then.

Never wear one in the supermarket now and recently was the only un-masked person in the drs - it'd been so long I just didn't have one on me. Nobody said anything though.

[Shindig]

This weekend was the first time I didn't bother with masking up in the supermarket. It felt nice. Masks are definitely in the minority now. Also, in true 'heads of gone' fashion, our work has come out with this banger:

Our testing days are Monday and Wednesday. I usually home test. I can't home test on Wednesday because 'now you're on site, we have do it at the office' on health and safety grounds. What bollocks is that? If I test positive in the office, I've travelled in on public transport, met the guys in the testing area and wandered around town for a bit. If I test positive at home, I stay put.