Maradona Dead

[John Arne]

Heart attack, apparently.

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[Magic]

Fuck. :(

[Offshore Toon]

Didn't he pull through brain surgery just a couple of weeks ago? What happened?

[wullie]

Fucking hell. Credit to him for making it this long though too

[Bernanke]

Didn't he pull through brain surgery just a couple of weeks ago? What happened?

Cocaine.

[Kikó]

Didn't he pull through brain surgery just a couple of weeks ago? What happened?

He died.

[Jimmy Floyd]

God, the twitter takes are already rolling in.

I only knew him as a juiced up old maniac, but his middle finger moment in that capacity in the game vs Nigeria was legendary.

[Lewis]

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Get the crowdfunder going.

[Manc]

Did well to hit 60.

[Don]

That documentary better surface again on a free platform now, I missed it first time round.

[Spikey M]

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[Giggles]

Peak somehowabout.

[Don]

What the sweet fuck are you two on about? :happycry:

[Spikey M]

Liverpool managing to be the victims of Maradona dying.

[Ian]

"He was one of us."

No way to speak about the dead. :nono:

[Lofty]

Peak somehowabout.

This trumps it I reckon. (https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/people/argentina-world-cup-winner-and-one-time-sheffield-united-transfer-target-diego-maradona-dies-3047708)

[niko_cee]

"He was one of us."

No way to speak about the dead. :nono:

Quite apt, no?

[Baz]

That’s a shame.

Hopefully Gazza gets well beyond 60.

[Kikó]

He won't.

[Spoonsky]

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/naples-mayor-san-paolo-stadium-named-diego-maradona-257167

That's classic.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Three days of national mourning? We'd better get this when Terry Butcher carks it.

[Lewis]

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/naples-mayor-san-paolo-stadium-named-diego-maradona-257167

That's classic.

I'm sure they wanted to do that ages ago but some law about naming things after living people stopped it.

[Shindig]

We'll get the three days when Sir Lord Beckham goes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Here's something I've always thought and might be a load of shit but I'm going to say it anyway. 'Diego Maradona'. It's an epic name, isn't it? Conveys a proper sense of theatre and ups and downs. If he was called Jorge Valdano or Hugo Sanchez, would he have been the same player or person?

[Max Power]

Here's something I've always thought and might be a load of shit but I'm going to say it anyway. 'Diego Maradona'. It's an epic name, isn't it? Conveys a proper sense of theatre and ups and downs. If he was called Jorge Valdano or Hugo Sanchez, would he have been the same player or person?

Diego Armando Maradona for the full Brian Charles Lara effect as well.

The clip doing the rounds of just his highlights from the ‘86 World Cup is insane. May not be the greatest ever when is all said and done but surely no one will ever reach those levels of him in 1986/87 with Argentina and then Napoli.

[Lewis]

I've thought that. I'm sure it's because you associate the name with the person, but Franz Beckenbauer is so tremendously German that it becomes a very distinct name. Even a relatively common name like George Best works because it was him with it.

So who is the best player with the most generic name? There must be as many Gerhard Mullers in Germany as Robert Charltons here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Brian Charles Lara is actually another great example of the same thing. He's not getting those runs as Keith Arthurton.

Should probably be taken into account when bringing young players through.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've thought that. I'm sure it's because you associate the name with the person, but Franz Beckenbauer is so tremendously German that it becomes a very distinct name. Even a relatively common name like George Best works because it was him with it.

So who is the best player with the most generic name? There must be as many Gerhard Mullers in Germany as Robert Charltons here.

Even then, Gerd Müller (which is proper John Smith stuff as far as I know) evokes the simplicity and single-mindedness of his game. 'Lionel Messi' is poetic. 'Cristiano Ronaldo' works well: you've seen Ronaldo? Well I'm Cristiano Ronaldo. Michel Platini, poetic. Pele, just beautiful (as with all the old Brazilian names, whereas the post-2000 ones are all shite, except 'Neymar', which is good).

I guess Stanley Matthews is pretty generic.

[Lewis]

I suppose the lack of a top, top John Smith (seemingly in any sport other than an American wrestler) proves this.

[Luca]

Zinedine Zidane evokes some exotic majesty about it as well. Maybe this is why Giuseppe Rossi (our John Smith) never really panned out.

[Kikó]

Tyson Fury.

[phonics]

Here's something I've always thought and might be a load of shit but I'm going to say it anyway. 'Diego Maradona'. It's an epic name, isn't it? Conveys a proper sense of theatre and ups and downs. If he was called Jorge Valdano or Hugo Sanchez, would he have been the same player or person?

I've long held the opinion that I was destined never to be a top flight footballer just because my name doesn't sound good if you imagine the commentary on hypothetical me scoring a 30 yard scramer.

[Don]

https://youtu.be/8NI5oTTW_is

In bits here.

SVN, get us a youtube button, will ya hun?

[Baz]

Chael Sonnen's biggest quip against Jon Jones (at the time they were fighting eachother, as nowadays he's got a lot more to say thanks to Jonny Bones being a bad person) was that his name was rubbish.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Tyson Fury.

Boxers are good for it actually. George Foreman has the nice double 'or', Lennox Lewis is superb, so is Frank Bruno. Cassius Clay... that's the best name a sportsman has ever had, and he threw it away like a twat.

Joe Calzaghe. Top notch.

[Lewis]

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That's the mentality that has kept him at tinpot clubs.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He didn't take if off Payet for tonight's game.

[Kikó]

That's the mentality that has kept him at tinpot clubs.

That or the copious amounts of money he's making.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I hope he's off the booze by now at least, or perhaps limiting himself to a quick few snifters by the fireside while he regales his wife with tales of the British Virgin Islands.

[Don]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/D272/production/_115647835_dailystar26nov.jpg

:face:

[Jimmy Floyd]

All the left wing twitter journos are crying about this coverage, but they obviously don't realise that the cultural penetration Maradona had in this country was the Hand of God goal and that alone. That passes the 'my Mum' test, the second goal doesn't. Sorry but that's how these things work.

[Magic]

Scotland are claiming this as a victory for the SNP, and the Irish are filling their boots at the victory for the Malvines.

"a thief who robs a thief, deserves a 100 years of pardon." :harold:

[Offshore Toon]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/D272/production/_115647835_dailystar26nov.jpg

:face:
The real headline is bottom left. How do you explain that then, RL?

[niko_cee]

Why is the Daily Star "proud to love animals" and does that love extend to rats the size of cats?

[Kikó]

The Daily Star have been MVP for a while. Brilliant front pages.

[Lofty]

Boxers are good for it actually. George Foreman has the nice double 'or', Lennox Lewis is superb, so is Frank Bruno. Cassius Clay... that's the best name a sportsman has ever had, and he threw it away like a twat.

Joe Calzaghe. Top notch.

I remember when some yank boxer mugged Audley Harrison off when asked about the prospect of fighting him by quipping 'I've never heard of Ordinary Harrison' :D

[Shindig]

Motorsport's got some great ones. Count Wolfgang von Trips, Jean-Denis Delatraz, Roland Ratzenberger, Andrea Dovizioso, Giacomo Agostini, Stirling Moss, Felipe Massa, Felipe Nasr, Fabio Quartararo, etc.

[Ian]

Cassius Clay... that's the best name a sportsman has ever had

There may be another fred in this. I'm a big fan of Winston Justice but that might just be because it sounds like it should be a Samuel L. character.

[Lewis]

Motorsport's got some great ones. Count Wolfgang von Trips, Jean-Denis Delatraz, Roland Ratzenberger, Andrea Dovizioso, Giacomo Agostini, Stirling Moss, Felipe Massa, Felipe Nasr, Fabio Quartararo, etc.

It's hard to see what else Woolf Barnato could have done with his life outside of a war.

[phonics]

I saw they arrested a mobster the other day called Anthony Gifoli aka Tony Meatballs. How are you expected to break out of the cycle when you’ve been Tony Meatballs since puberty.

[Shindig]

He can go legitimate as a Subway mascot.

[phonics]

He’s a mobster not a paedophile.

[Spikey M]

Depends who's balls he's meeting.

[Dquincy]

http://news.sky.com/story/maradona-death-football-icons-funeral-takes-place-amid-clashes-in-argentina-12143486

It's what he would have wanted.

[Shindig]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Queen_maradona.jpg

I wasn't expecting that.

[Lewis]

They all somehow look like shit lookalikes of themselves.

[Lofty]

Supposedly the geniuses that took selfies with his corpse have been offed by Boca Ultras.

[Don]

That documentary better surface again on a free platform now, I missed it first time round.

All4, fyi.

[Shindig]

Supposedly the geniuses that took selfies with his corpse have been offed by Boca Ultras.

They couldn't have been that dead to offer a public apology.

[niko_cee]

I watched some of that Maradona thing last night, thought it was pretty good. The best bit of his career was before I was really aware of football so it was interesting to see all that stuff. I know this is always the case looking back at things but it all had an otherworldly feel to it that you just couldn't imagine happening anymore. Biggest shock of it all was finding out Ciro Ferrara is a Neoploitan and did 10 years at Napoli alongside Maradona. I only ever knew him as a Juve stalwart.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That film is a copy-paste of the same director's Senna film, but about football/Argentina instead of racing/Brazil, and both are too fanboyish by half for my tastes. Just a big old abuse of that late 80s/early 90s zone which was both in his impressionable adolescence and also in that sweet spot of which there exists plenty of colour footage and many of the tropes of the time are familiar and recognisable to a modern audience, but it was just about pre-mass computing so there were fewer algorithms around, less calculation and therefore much less corporate sheen. It's a pretty cheap appeal to nostalgia which, of course, is never about remembering how great the subjects in question were, but about remembering how much easier life felt for the viewer when those subjects were current.

Of course I'm sure Kapadia would be the first to accuse boomer-age Brexiteers (or whoever) of harking back to a golden age which never really existed.

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[Giggles]

I’d say you’re full Shilton about him are you?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I’d say you’re full Shilton about him are you?

Nah, not at all. He was a wonderful player and hand of god was just one of those things that can go your way (English press get way too red in the face about CHEATING), but off the pitch he was probably a much more horrible cunt than Shilton was, the latter's crimes being restricted to being a bitter old man, something he is hardly alone in.

[Giggles]

I don’t know a thing about Peter Shilton aside from the fact he still can’t let it go.

[Boydy]

He was a top lad off the pitch too.

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[Jimmy Floyd]

I don’t know a thing about Peter Shilton aside from the fact he still can’t let it go.

You'd be pissed off wouldn't you? World Cup quarter final, 0-0, some prick punches it into the net and scores and somehow gets away with it when in legal play you'd have caught it easily. If one is going to be bitter about something for 34 years that's a pretty good candidate.

I'm sure half of Ireland is yet to forgive Thierry Henry.

[Shindig]

Asif Kapadia strikes me as the kind of twat that says he loves flawed heroes and then, when he gets the chance, prints the legend instead. Suzuka '90 should be about how he tried to kill a rival to even a score, instead it's "OOOOH, GRID SPOTS! SUBTERFUGE!"

Although I guess most biographical docs go the same way. I go back to the one about Gazza that decided to ignore his domestic batterings and skirted around his alcoholism.

[Giggles]

You'd be pissed off wouldn't you? World Cup quarter final, 0-0, some prick punches it into the net and scores and somehow gets away with it when in legal play you'd have caught it easily. If one is going to be bitter about something for 34 years that's a pretty good candidate.

I'm sure half of Ireland is yet to forgive Thierry Henry.

Maradona was a midget, he should have got to it anyway and the main person he needs to be angry with decades later is himself.

As someone said during the week, if ever we needed proof that we need to get over Henry then this week has shown it in a huge way. I don’t think it’s anywhere near the same extent anyway.

I do quite enjoy how pompous everyone gets about cheating when it’s mentioned though.

[Boydy]

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[Giggles]

Deliberately trying to injure and remove the oppositions best player doesn’t make you a CHEAT though.

Loads of them were trying to take the second goal off him because of the first too :D Bitter old twats.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Argentinian defenders of course world famous for never having kicked anyone.

It's another front in the culture war and as ever, both sides need to get over themselves.

[Giggles]

Argentinian defenders of course world famous for never having kicked anyone.

:D
Of course they have, everyone has. That’s why it’s so ridiculous getting so pompous about it 34 years later.

[Lewis]

It seems to mainly be Ireland and Scotland lolling at us not letting it go, and, well...

[Giggles]

It’s not though. You’ve picked up on that (with the help of your tabloids - lol) only because it gives you whatever argument that’s supposed to be, rather than facing up to the fact it should have been let go of years ago. Seeing all the sour pusses on them again this week is laughable at this stage - to the whole world.

[Lewis]

You've made six completely unprompted posts in an hour :Ding about it and saying we need to let it go.

[Giggles]

You've made six completely unprompted posts in an hour :Ding about it and saying we need to let it go.

Can you not see the ones in between mine?

Anyway, I also don’t represent two countries and rule out all the other ones regardless.

[Baz]

I’m finding it a bit bizarre, albeit pleasantly surprising, how everyone has been more than happy to gloss over/ignore Maradona’s hateful characteristics to praise his footballing ability.

[Shindig]

I wound up watching the documentary. Y'know, it did a good job of encapsulating what a mess his life was. A phenomenal talent terrified by every second of what came with it.