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phonics
14-10-2015, 10:16 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/14/gchq-monitor-communications-mps-peers-tribunal-wilson-doctrine?CMP=share_btn_tw

So it's now legal for GCHQ to spy on MPs


MPs’ and peers’ private communications are not protected from spying by the so-called Wilson doctrine that was widely thought to provide special privileges for parliamentarians, according to court ruling.A surprise decision by the investigatory powers tribunal (IPT) has found that guarantees – which even the home secretary, Theresa May, reasserted this week – do not apply.

So at this point with GCHQ spying on everyone from journalists to Amnesty International to the politicians. All the while the new Snooper Charter we're pushing through is going to make the word 'extremist' as broad a thing as possible to fuck anyone we want over.

When does this all become too much?

edit: I'm going to throw in a few @Snowden tweets while I'm here.

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I could go on.

randomlegend
14-10-2015, 11:01 AM
Phonics getting us on a watch list.

phonics
14-10-2015, 11:04 AM
I had Glenn Greenwald tweet @ me recently so I'm genuinely worried that I won't get a US VISA if I applied.

Benny
14-10-2015, 11:30 AM
Would you even get a VISA as a graphic designer? Seemed to be a no when I was looking at it last year.

phonics
14-10-2015, 11:35 AM
Seems to depend on the seniority of the position / available people in the state you're enrolling. Being a Video Guy in LA, no but I might get one if a news crew in Alaska needed someone.

Lewis
14-10-2015, 11:47 AM
This sort of thing all seems quite irreversible (politically-speaking) as well. Who would want to risk binning it all when, should another terrorism happen, they would get unprecedented aggro?

Magic
14-10-2015, 11:52 AM
Kim Dotcom follows me on twitter so I'm fucked too.

Looking forward to see how the politicians use this spying on each other for political gain. Should see much more interesting stories now.

phonics
14-10-2015, 11:53 AM
This sort of thing all seems quite irreversible (politically-speaking) as well. Who would want to risk binning it all when, should another terrorism happen, they would get unprecedented aggro?

Quite. If anything it's just a slippery slope downwards until we live in 1984.

Can't wait for the future

http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/sonyadpatent_2-580x472.jpg

(That's a real patent by the way)

Lewis
14-10-2015, 11:57 AM
I would chant 'PIZ-ZA HUT' until it gave in and never bothered me again.

QE Harold Flair
14-10-2015, 12:07 PM
Claim: NSA mass surveillance keeps us safe. Fact: In over 10 years, not 1 life saved in US. https://t.co/vzJmBec2Yq pic.twitter.com/ad0MTvuZr7 (http://t.co/ad0MTvuZr7)

I don't know about the rest, but this is quite obviously bollocks.

ItalAussie
14-10-2015, 12:39 PM
I'm unimpressed with the Australian laws.

The thing is, these laws are generally very unpopular. But they cruise through.

Shindig
14-10-2015, 06:00 PM
I feel sorry for the pleb watching me wank.

phonics
28-10-2015, 08:40 PM
So a surveillance blimp that cost 3 billion is now floating across America/crashing in Pennsylvania.

The blimp is something that we've needed FOR YEARS as a surveillance tower of sorts for U.S. use in Afghanstian/Iraq and over here apparently.


Here’s a metaphor: a remote-controlled, tremendously expensive, basically useless JLENS aerial surveillance blimp has detached (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/bs-md-jlens-blimp-loose-20151028-story.html) from its tether at Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland. If you see it, call the authorities. Do NOT try to get it down yourself.The $2.7 billion blimp program was the subject of a recent, withering profile in the Los Angeles Times (http://graphics.latimes.com/missile-defense-jlens/) that described as the quintessential runaway Pentagon project:
Seventeen years after its birth, JLENS is a stark example of what defense specialists call a “zombie” program: costly, ineffectual and seemingly impossible to kill.


Instead of detecting things like cruise missiles and terrorists, the sensor-laden airship basically doesn’t do anything except burn tax dollars and look sort of cool floating in the air. It was also designed to withstand hurricane-force winds without getting blown away, and yet now it’s floating away and up the eastern seaboard, the Baltimore Sun reports (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/aberdeen-havre-de-grace/bs-md-jlens-blimp-loose-20151028-story.html), and nobody knows why:
The 243-foot-long, helium-filled blimp detached from its mooring on the Edgewood Area of Aberdeen Proving Grounad at about 11:54 a.m., a spokeswoman for the Army installation said. It was pulling approximately 6,700 feet of cable.


http://gawker.com/gigantic-unmanned-military-blimp-on-the-loose-outside-b-1739217483


Some stories about the blimp:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/28/army-blimp-goes-out-of-control-menacing-small-towns-and-thrilling-nation.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28T he+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29

http://graphics.latimes.com/missile-defense-jlens/

Lewis
28-10-2015, 08:46 PM
It's not quite surveillance (yet), but I lolled at Dave getting all shirty with the European Union because they shat his precious default 'porn filters'. Of all the things to pick a fight with them over.

Magic
04-11-2015, 10:58 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34715872

Omg. Well that's me e-fukt. :(

Henry
04-11-2015, 11:04 AM
This went too far quite a long time ago.

It is fortunate that we have people like Edward Snowden.

Luke Emia
04-11-2015, 11:07 AM
I can't say I'm a massive fan of what Magic has posted. But, on the other side of it if they wanted to find out what I'd been watching on Youporn I'm sure they could even without the need for the internet providers to keep a record of it for a year.

John Arne
04-11-2015, 11:11 AM
Surely anyone actually legitimately wanting to visit a terrorist website will have enough clout about them to use a private VPN. Alternative what stops someone just buying a burner phone every week?

Magic
04-11-2015, 11:34 AM
It's used to control the citizens through fear that they will now be able to legally and legitimately find whatever they want.

'Yes, we think you're the right candidate for the job, however can you explain your recent watching of a Japanese woman performing cunnylingus on a cow just before it shits in her face and she eats it?"

Jimmy Floyd
04-11-2015, 11:37 AM
It's about being able to get evidence to convict people. Currently they basically rely 100% on informants.

Magic
04-11-2015, 11:47 AM
And it's also about people in the civil service being able to get a full background check on everybody's lives. Don't like someone? Well here's your last 12 months of browsing history m8, I'm sure your kids would love to know you like watching gay fisting videos. Drop that lawsuit or it goes public.

phonics
04-11-2015, 12:21 PM
It's about being able to get evidence to convict people. Currently they basically rely 100% on informants.


And spy on Amnesty International and various other independent Human Rights organisations and lawyers, as has already been proved.

Im sure China will leave our legally mandated backdoors alone so we dont have to worry about them stealing a 'how to blackmail' list of every high ranking official in the government. Oh wait, they already did that.

phonics
04-11-2015, 01:55 PM
Here's that Chinese hack story that somehow got sweeped under the rug.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/09/opm-hack-21-million-personal-information-stolen


OPM houses personal information for all federal employees, including social security numbers; residency, employment and educational histories; “information about immediate family and other personal and business acquaintances”; health, criminal and financial histories and “other details”.

In a statement (https://www.opm.gov/news/releases/2015/07/opm-announces-steps-to-protect-federal-workers-and-others-from-cyber-threats/), the agency said the number of those affected by the hack included 19.7 million individuals who applied for a background investigation “and 1.8 million non-applicants, predominantly spouses or co-habitants of applicants”.

Personal data of 21 million people including the details of every background check those 21 million people went through. Unencrypted, just sitting on a fucking network.

Our Governments cannot be trusted to protect your data from those who mean you harm and therefore has no right to demand it from you.

phonics
04-11-2015, 01:58 PM
Oh and here's the Amnesty International story.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/01/gchq-spied-amnesty-international-tribunal-email

I can't see how this would tie in with our close links to a bunch of international despots who buy weapons from us, whatsoever. Completely innocent.

phonics
04-11-2015, 01:59 PM
And MP's but I can't see how that would go badly for us as the government only has our best interests at heart.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/14/wilson-doctrine-spying-house-of-commons-surveillance

phonics
04-11-2015, 02:00 PM
It's about being able to get evidence to convict people. Currently they basically rely 100% on informants.

All crime relies pretty much 100% on informants if they're an even slightly decent criminal, the same would apply here.

John Arne
04-11-2015, 02:23 PM
It's about being able to get evidence to convict people. Currently they basically rely 100% on informants.

They manage ok with bank accounts without full access to everyone's details.

A request should be made on an individual case, where appropriate procedures have been followed.

phonics
04-11-2015, 02:28 PM
Oh and you may have noticed mention of a 'climbdown' in the media.

This would be the climbdown they're referring to. Originally the bill asks for the latter without warrant, now it just wants the former on everybody at all times and the extra bit at the end once they have a warrant. HUGE CLIMBDOWN.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS-QlVyWUAAU_Nv.png:large

Magic
04-11-2015, 02:30 PM
I think I may have to invest in that VPN...:uhoh:

phonics
04-11-2015, 02:32 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS9_JOdWUAEEIgn.jpg:large

Boydy
04-11-2015, 02:42 PM
I think I may have to invest in that VPN...:uhoh:

Would a VPN even hide everything?

QE Harold Flair
04-11-2015, 02:42 PM
18 minutes? I'd like to know who that is, myself.

phonics
04-11-2015, 02:44 PM
Would a VPN even hide everything?

A VPN wouldn't hide shit as it would transmit his data abroad where we already intercept anyway. It would then be recognised that this VPN company has sold an account to a Magic Johnson at 123 Cunt Lane, Dundee and the system would realign itself.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa

At the moment, anything that goes to Facebook or Google or anywhere the networks are overseas, you're already being spied on.

That GCHQ database is openly available to any US NSA employee as well. So it's not just your own government spying on you but they allow foreign ones too. However, it's Jeremy Corbyn who is a threat to your safety or whatever that stupid quote was.

Oh and my personal favourite Dave quote on the subject.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone."

That's disgusting

Magic
04-11-2015, 02:45 PM
Probably not, who knows what these agencies can crack. It would certainly stop your average Joe finding anything though. Apparently if you encrypt your traffic or browse on the dark web that flags you up even more.

Magic
04-11-2015, 02:46 PM
A VPN wouldn't hide shit as it would transmit his data abroad where we already intercept anyway. It would then be recognised that this VPN company has sold an account to a Magic Johnson at 123 Cunt Lane, Dundee and the system would realign itself.

Yeah but they don't hold anything, that'd just be like saying I bought a gun but if there's no evidence so what?

Magic
04-11-2015, 02:53 PM
Hang on a minute, just what are you trying to hide, Boyd? :sherlock:

phonics
04-11-2015, 02:57 PM
Yeah but they don't hold anything, that'd just be like saying I bought a gun but if there's no evidence so what?

They don't need to hold anything, by you taking evasive action to hide your IP, you've activated the ability for them to call in a warrant and individually monitor you. Hence why you should never Google information about TOR unless you know you're going to use it.

Boydy
04-11-2015, 03:01 PM
Hang on a minute, just what are you trying to hide, Boyd? :sherlock:

The embarrassing amount I ask Google what I should do with my life.

Boydy
04-11-2015, 03:02 PM
They don't need to hold anything, by you taking evasive action to hide your IP, you've activated the ability for them to call in a warrant and individually monitor you. Hence why you should never Google information about TOR unless you know you're going to use it.

So if you hide your IP, they'll get their warrant to investigate you?

So using Hola to access US Netflix means they'll get a warrant? Fucking hell.

QE Harold Flair
04-11-2015, 03:03 PM
They can't monitor everyone who hides their IP because they take evasive action. They still need evidence you're doing something wrong.

Boydy, I scarcely think our intelligence services are going to launch an investigation into you watching rubbish on Netflix.

Boydy
04-11-2015, 03:10 PM
They monitor everyone already. This is the point. All your activity is already being logged.

And I only watch quality programmes.

QE Harold Flair
04-11-2015, 03:14 PM
It's logged but nobody cares. It's only used if you're suspected of a crime.

phonics
04-11-2015, 03:18 PM
So if you hide your IP, they'll get their warrant to investigate you?

So using Hola to access US Netflix means they'll get a warrant? Fucking hell.

If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide, Boyd. That's Jims argument at least.

Btw, if GCHQ does have a warrant against you, good luck getting a travel VISA in the US.

Lewis
04-11-2015, 03:20 PM
The better part of that David Cameron quote was where he referred to it as a 'failed approach'. That will be why we lost the Cold War I suppose.

SvN
04-11-2015, 03:29 PM
I use a VPN for all of my online activity nowadays. This has only made the investment more worthwhile.

Magic
04-11-2015, 03:31 PM
They don't need to hold anything, by you taking evasive action to hide your IP, you've activated the ability for them to call in a warrant and individually monitor you. Hence why you should never Google information about TOR unless you know you're going to use it.

Where's the proof of this?

phonics
04-11-2015, 03:33 PM
Im on mobile. Just do a few googles for 'spying on tor users snowden' along those lines and it should come up.

Magic
04-11-2015, 03:37 PM
No this is specifically a question relating to using something to protect your anonymity as grounds for a warrant. I think you're interpreting this incorrectly. There's no legal grounds for a warrant against someone who uses a VPN.

Magic
04-11-2015, 03:42 PM
I've no doubt by the way that going darkweb/VPN definitely does mark your traffic up as suspicious to intelligence agencies, however there's no way they'd be able to get a warrant out for your info on that basis alone. To be honest they can probably unencrypt it anyway.

John Arne
04-11-2015, 03:51 PM
They only need two police officers to agree to a warrant request, I believe.

John Arne
04-11-2015, 03:51 PM
Also, if we flood this website with keywords, will it get picked up? BOMB PARLIAMENT CAMERON KILL EXPLODE 9/11 7/7

Magic
04-11-2015, 03:55 PM
They only need two police officers to agree to a warrant request, I believe.

On what basis?

Magic
04-11-2015, 03:55 PM
Also, if we flood this website with keywords, will it get picked up? BOMB PARLIAMENT CAMERON KILL EXPLODE 9/11 7/7

That's just been traced to your IP m8. Enjoy that warrant. :baz:

John Arne
04-11-2015, 04:01 PM
On what basis?

Actually, I can't actually find the article I read now... perhaps I completely made it up :/


That's just been traced to your IP m8. Enjoy that warrant. :baz:

Fortunately I don't believe even GCHQ's powers extend to Vietnam.

QE Harold Flair
04-11-2015, 04:17 PM
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phonics
17-11-2015, 09:51 PM
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Doesn't this just prove that collecting the metadata of everyone in the world is pointless outside of using it for other purposes?

phonics
17-11-2015, 10:29 PM
Known terrorists booked hotel with a credit card in their own name but mass surveillance is keeping us safe.

http://gawker.com/paris-attackers-left-behind-a-hotel-room-filled-with-sy-1743023869

Shindig
17-11-2015, 10:56 PM
"Big day tomorrow. Let's give heroin a proper go."

phonics
10-12-2015, 01:40 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVzEaTQUYAE9Gqs.png:large

Pepe
10-12-2015, 01:59 PM
Sounds about right.

phonics
17-11-2016, 10:40 PM
The UK just passed equivalent surveillance laws to China (well they did it yesterday but I was on mobile and couldn't use search functions). Doesn't seem to be a big deal. Nice.

phonics
15-01-2017, 11:04 AM
And this is what it always came down to. The big one.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/13/obama-opens-nsas-vast-trove-of-warrantless-data-to-entire-intelligence-community-just-in-time-for-trump/

Any Federal Agency can now request information on anyone they're investigating and the NSA can hand over everything they've ever done or said on a phoneline/the internet.

The final proof that none of this was to do with terrorism.

Offshore Toon
15-01-2017, 11:10 AM
Fucking hell, Phonics. :D

Lay off the seat pissing for a year or two.

Shindig
15-01-2017, 12:28 PM
Not to play Devil's Advocate here but .... you could make some serious money of Big Data so why not make that shit state owned?

Raoul Duke
15-01-2017, 12:39 PM
Not to play Devil's Advocate here but .... you could make some serious money of Big Data so why not make that shit state owned?

Because that's how you kill innovation