The Travel Thread

[phonics]

I liked it, seems a rough time for the weather though.

[Magic]

Looking at Bruges instead.

[phonics]

https://i.gifer.com/BYAo.gif

[Kikó]

Berlin will be fine but it will be cold. It's a great city with loads to do.

[Shindig]

If you find Fry, ask him when his game's coming out.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's Polish Independence Day and there are so many roads closed in Warsaw with a shit tonne of Police. Loads dressed up in riot gear.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Also, if any of you are ever in Warsaw hunt down Uki Uki: https://www.facebook.com/ukiuki.udon/?epa=SEARCH_BOX

I've been so many times and tonight I found my favourite dish, Tantan Udon. Spicy meat sauce (and lots of it) with udon noodles, a barely cooked egg and some dumplings.

[Bam]

Lets be honest, nobody is going to bother looking for Uki Uki in Warsaw unless some web bird is on the end of it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No pie and mash or ham, egg and chips so you'll have to stick with Benidorm, lad.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The thing I found surprising about Poland is that it's the first country I've been to where you can't get a sandwich. It's a full meal or fuck off.

[Raoul Duke]

Mmm, barely cooked egg

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The thing I found surprising about Poland is that it's the first country I've been to where you can't get a sandwich. It's a full meal or fuck off.

They don't believe in "closed" sandwiches.

[niko_cee]

Strong belief in transubstantiation, no belief in sandwiches, an interesting credo.

[Bernanke]

For long haul flights, what's the value you guys place on the difference between economy/"premium economy"/business class? I'm planning an Asia trip next year and having never had a flight longer than ~4 hours, I have a hard time judging how bearable it is to go as cheap as can be vs. finding a seat that actually gives a chance at some hours of sleep.

[Ben]

Isn't premium economy just what economy used to be, ie. a bit of legroom and your own TV screen? Economy now is like a Bernard Matthews factory.

[John Arne]

For long haul flights, what's the value you guys place on the difference between economy/"premium economy"/business class? I'm planning an Asia trip next year and having never had a flight longer than ~4 hours, I have a hard time judging how bearable it is to go as cheap as can be vs. finding a seat that actually gives a chance at some hours of sleep.

If you can afford it, business is great for overnight flights. I usually do economy back to UK (day flight) then business back here to Vietnam for night flight.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There's a reason business class is so-named, which is that the people taking it need to be in a state to perform potentially hours or minutes after the flight has landed. If you're going on holiday and don't have unlimited money to burn, I'd just go cattle.

I had an awful economy flight to Bogota earlier in the year and an even worse one back, but even then within 12-24 hours afterwards I was ok.

[Yevrah]

For long haul flights, what's the value you guys place on the difference between economy/"premium economy"/business class? I'm planning an Asia trip next year and having never had a flight longer than ~4 hours, I have a hard time judging how bearable it is to go as cheap as can be vs. finding a seat that actually gives a chance at some hours of sleep.

Asia's great to fly to in economy if you get an overnight (UK time flights) as you'll probably sleep through most of it. Get a window seat, don't drink too much and you'll be able to sit there and sleep unbothered for however long the flight is. That said, I'd recommend everyone experiences business class at least once on a long haul flight as it's phenomenal and as Jimmy alludes to really doesn't feel like you've been on a plane when you get off the other side. Ultimately though, it isn't worth the price.

[randomlegend]

We flew to the Maldives with Qatar airways and economy was so nice I wouldn't have paid for business even if I was loaded.

[Kikó]

I've travelled a few times in business for work and it's well worth the money but I'm useless at sleeping at any kind of confined space.

[randomlegend]

Yeah ours were all day flights to be fair.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've travelled a few times in business for work and it's well worth the money but I'm useless at sleeping at any kind of confined space.

How much of a downgrade is it on First Class?

[Clunge]

We're doing economy to Goa in the new year, 10.30pm departure from Gatwick. Aim is to sleep through as much of it as humanely possible.

[Kikó]

How much of a downgrade is it on First Class?

I'll tell you if I ever am important enough to fly in it.

[Spikey M]

I don't think there's a level of tiredness possible that would allow me to sleep on a flight.

Sat upright, in an enclosed space, surrounded by (perhaps even next to) strangers. Those are not sleeping conditions.

[Shindig]

I've managed it the last couple of trips but it really takes a special kind of boredom for me to drop off.

[Boydy]

Planes seem to make me nod off. I've fallen asleep flying from Belfast to London before.

I flew business class to the US west coast earlier in the year and it was pretty nice. Have to do it again next year but dunno if we'll be allowed business class, probably not. Lucked out last time cause business from Dublin was actually cheaper than premium economy via London which was what we were allowed budget-wise.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I used to be unable to sleep more than 10 minutes on planes. Thankfully recently I've been able to get down although I usually wake up with a painful neck.

[hfswjyr]

Like most things, I think it's about routine. Years ago when I was fly-in, fly-out weekly, I could get on the plane (in economy) and fall asleep straight away just because the whole process became so dull and routine.

These days flying is either for holidays or one-off trips, so the out-of-routine alertness you need to keep or just excitement of going somewhere new makes it hard to fall asleep on the plane.

Never flown business or first class, but I'm sure it helps...

[Spikey M]

Even flying back from Cuba at 2am I didn't fall asleep. I saved that for the drive home, where my wife had to repeatedly shout at me until I eventually gave in and just had a nap in a service station carpark.

My wife, on the other hand, can sit-down and fall asleep before takeoff.

Honestly, if I had a Genie in a lamp, my first wish would be the ability to fall asleep whenever I wanted to.

[Ben]

Just take some drugs.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Going to Rome for 2 nights in a couple of weeks.

What should be on the list of things to visit/see?

Colosseum, Pantheon, Trevi Fountain and Vatican City are already on it.

[John Arne]

Going to Rome for 2 nights in a couple of weeks.

What should be on the list of things to visit/see?

Colosseum, Pantheon, Trevi Fountain and Vatican City are already on it.

Make sure you book/buy in advance.

[randomlegend]

The Vatican museum is mind-blowing. Just wall-to-wall incredibly old, incredibly important artifacts. I don't know quite what it was but it absolutely has an aura.

Also, the gelato at this place:
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g187791-d3729383-Reviews-Gelateria_Mister_Ice-Rome_Lazio.html

is the best I've ever had by far. We found it on our first night a few minutes walk from our hotel. It's down some dingy residential side street near a park in the area where the prostitutes hang out and it looks like a dodgy corner shop. Even if you're an hour away over the other side of the City I'd still make the effort to go there.

[Ben]

Go to the Fountain (very) early in the morning to avoid being absolutely swamped by the grifters.

[Lewis]

Make sure you book/buy in advance.

I looked at Rome back in April and it seemed that everything was booked up until October.

[wullie]

I'd go to the Pantheon as early as possible, it was rammed one afternoon but the next morning you could walk straight in. Palatine Hill was great too as it was similarly peaceful and when going in you can buy a combination ticket that lets you access the Colosseum without having to join a massive queue there first.

[Kikó]

My friend's recommendation from a food and drink perspective;

Dinner with classic Roman dishes. To reserve
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zBeLR8ksDrieyXhN7?g_st=iw

go here for the best cacio e pepe. Reservation is easy
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Au9nbFkj2Fkd5x8M8?g_st=iw

more informal. Snacks e natural wines
https://maps.app.goo.gl/mrEsdxpD3SHnjMVS8?g_st=iw

Best Neapolitan pizza. To reserve
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XR8wyBPBWKxVDVo77?g_st=iw

best Roman pizza. To reserve. It is a bit on the outskirts
https://maps.app.goo.gl/qjuJAieWyVmMZHuP9?g_st=iw

Second best Roman pizza. Central location. To reserve. Try the fried starters
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ULjnQLZeXZRJFuKS8?g_st=iw

best Carbonara in town. Very good meat dishes. To reserve
https://maps.app.goo.gl/K4DwHRg65ndCXtXU8?g_st=iw

very good, a bit touristic
https://maps.app.goo.gl/CqSsZ8Hi48NJSaej9?g_st=iw

original fettuccine Alfredo
https://maps.app.goo.gl/RETNK25FbPo59ozj9?g_st=iw

I'm going to Rome next week and haven't booked anything yet. 👀

[Kikó]

Was at the preserved ruins of Herculaneum today. It's pretty staggering to see perfectly preserved artefacts from 2000 years ago, definitely worth a visit. We're probably going to visit Pompei in a few days as well to round it off.

[wullie]

I wasn't prepared for the intact screaming skeletons in the boat sheds there, took the jaunty edge off the day a little.

[Kikó]

Yeah it's pretty crazy to think these poor bastards were fleeing for their lives and now they're getting put on the gram many years later.

[Don]

There's a cracking escort service full of premium Russians in Rome (and a few of the other major Italian cities), would recommend.

[Ben]

I'm at that time in my life where I need to consider a child when booking holidays.

Any tips on which websites to use for package holidays for us and a child approaching two years old? General tips for locations (~3 hour flight max ideally), hotels, all that good stuff?

I found a few last night but I'm fucked if I know what I'm looking at. Luckily we can go during term time.

[Kikó]

Tui are the best one no? Try turkey, Greece or Spain?

[Yevrah]

Rome is amazing and the sheer scale of Pompei blew my mind. That said, seeing the latter involved a trip to Naples, which I maintain is the worst first World town/city I have ever been to and by some margin.

[Waffdon]

I'm at that time in my life where I need to consider a child when booking holidays.

Any tips on which websites to use for package holidays for us and a child approaching two years old? General tips for locations (~3 hour flight max ideally), hotels, all that good stuff?

I found a few last night but I'm fucked if I know what I'm looking at. Luckily we can go during term time.

Corsica

[Spikey M]

I'm at that time in my life where I need to consider a child when booking holidays.

Any tips on which websites to use for package holidays for us and a child approaching two years old? General tips for locations (~3 hour flight max ideally), hotels, all that good stuff?

I found a few last night but I'm fucked if I know what I'm looking at. Luckily we can go during term time.

We loved Rabac in Croatia. Beautiful scenery, a land train into town and weather is perfect for young kids in the summer months. High 20's to low 30's.

[Kikó]

Rome is amazing and the sheer scale of Pompei blew my mind. That said, seeing the latter involved a trip to Naples, which I maintain is the worst first World town/city I have ever been to and by some margin.

We went to Pantheon today after visiting the Colosseum, the Forum and Palatine Hill yesterday. You really could spend hours in each and barely scratch the surface. Also visited church of St Agnes and St Antonio which are absolutely stunning. What a place this is.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We went to Pantheon today after visiting the Colosseum, the Forum and Palatine Hill yesterday. You really could spend hours in each and barely scratch the surface. Also visited church of St Agnes and St Antonio which are absolutely stunning. What a place this is.

You going to the Vatican?

I've got Vatican tickets booked and will be doing Colosseum tickets today (sadly the underground tickets are out so I'll have to make do with arena ones).

[Kikó]

No - we decided to leave it as the queues can be pretty lengthy. We booked a walking tour on booking.com for the Colosseum.

Eating at Felice a Testaccio this evening. Apparently excellent for Cacio e Pepe.

[Spikey M]

Just a heads up for Ben, I believe these discussions are unrelated. Please do not take your child to The Vatican.

[randomlegend]

The Vatican is definitely worth it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The Vatican is definitely worth it.

But not for Ben's kids.

[Ben]

I've been to Rome/Vatican thanks lads. Won't be taking my child anywhere near the place.

Looked at Rabac Spikey. We love Croatia but no flights to that region from up north in May. :(

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Could go to Turkey and sell your kids, should get a decent price for them.

[Ben]

Flight is too long. Mrs doesn't want to go over 3 hours with it being the little one's first time. Otherwise I'd go and sell the wife as well.

[Spikey M]

I'd probably just go with Southern Spain if it's May you're looking for. Benalmadena was alright. Loads of nice little seafood restaurants serving up Gambas Pil Pil. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah, at that age you're looking at just going in to Malaga or Faro airports and going from there.

[Ian]

I liked Benalmadena as a low rent Costa holiday. If you try and use any TripAdvisor-alikes to find suggestions for restaurants and bars though you have to scroll past the first two pages of 5/5 rated places like Harry's Irish Bar and The Dog and Duck because morons review them highly with comments like "our favourite pub in Spain sunday dinner just like being at home."

[Spikey M]

On that note, don't take the little one in Linekers bar either.

[Ian]

As if the kids could meet Wayne Lineker's list of criteria if they tried.

[Waffdon]

Flight is too long. Mrs doesn't want to go over 3 hours with it being the little one's first time. Otherwise I'd go and sell the wife as well.

Fly to Mallorca or Barcelona and go cruising around the med.

Malta was alright as well. Just make sure you get the express bus if you are going into Valletta. My lord, over 3x as long it took to get back to the hotel in a sweat box and the engine sounding like it was going to explode

[Ben]

Fly to Mallorca or Barcelona and go cruising around the med.

That's my #1 preference. She's irrationally scared of cruises though. I think I could bring her round on it but a man has to pick his battles.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I would hate a cruise. Trapped on a boat with other people. I suppose you're from the north so you probably like other people. Ghastly, they are.

[niko_cee]

Those kids cruises sound the absolute worst. Trapped on board with millions of other people's bastard children. Being firmly still mired in vomit-town I can only imagine the horror of that sort of thing inevitably happening on one of those.

I went to some fancy family holiday thing near Sagres years ago. It was rubbish and I shall be avoiding all 'family holidays', save for certain destination type things, forever.

You just have to accept that if you have chosen to have kids, then you have also chosen to forego nice things for many years.

[Ben]

We're going in term time so I reckon (naively hope?) we will not encounter that many other kids.

[niko_cee]

I once made that mistake with Peppa Pig World, before soon realising that no Peppa Pig age fan children go to school, and so every other fucker had had the same idea. :face:

It's all a steep learning curve.

[Ian]

I would hate a cruise. Trapped on a boat with other people. I suppose you're from the north so you probably like other people. Ghastly, they are.

I don't mind the idea of one of the ones that is stopping somewhere daily to see a new place but the other people would be a problem.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, those sort of cruises are quite good if you want to nail most of the sites of major interest in Mediterranean ancient history or a decent slice of the Caribbean/Mexico in one go.

Think I once did Ephesus, Cairo, Jerusalem/Israel, Rhodes, Knossos and maybe some other shit on one of those.

Also managed to walk up the pyramid at Chichen Itza on another, before that was a hate crime.

[Waffdon]

It’s really not that bad. Maybe avoid the American companies so you avoid said Americans.

Tui has been surprisingly the best in terms of least amount of wankers and busyness which is somewhat surprising as it’s the budget option and full of Essex people.

MSC is incredible but there’s a lot of loud foreigners and pretentious fuckers

[Spikey M]

Cruising >>>>> *

[Yevrah]

We went to Pantheon today after visiting the Colosseum, the Forum and Palatine Hill yesterday. You really could spend hours in each and barely scratch the surface. Also visited church of St Agnes and St Antonio which are absolutely stunning. What a place this is.

Yeah, I spent a week there with the broom and it remains one of the best places I've ever been to. We were on the outskirts hotel wise, but jumped on the tube each day, got off and just rambled around. As you say, so much to see.

I mention it as it's been discussed further down but the Vatican is a sight to behold as well.

[Clunge]

I'm off to Goa tomorrow. We've planned basically fuck all.

[Dquincy]

A nice hotel in Croatia, which I've taken the family to for past 3 years has gone up by 1k each year. Now over 5k for the 4 of us. Difficult to justify such a price uplift.

[Giggles]

Why do people go to these places, like really? Is it the sun or is it the other people or what is it?

[Giggles]

Not you DQ, just in general.

[Dquincy]

Fair question. For me, it's the sun and experiencing other cultures. We'll, as much as you can with 2 little loveable shitbags not wanting to leave the pool.

[niko_cee]

It's the done thing.

Most people do the done thing.

It's why it is the done thing.

[Shindig]

It's the exploration for me. Going to a new city and trying to map the place out. Plus you're seeing new stuff along the way and making memories.

[hfswjyr]

From my experience, the whole package deal, going to the same place year after year, and staying by the hotel pool thing is exclusively a British thing.

Checking to see if the place I'm staying at has a pool or not has never even crossed my mind.

[Shindig]

Aye, I'm not big on return visits. I'm sure my sister does that stuff because they've got a kid with them and it's easier to plan.

[Lewis]

My nan and grandad used to go to the same hotel in the same place in Spain during the same week in September every year for about twenty years. Then they started going twice a year with a March holiday as well. Baffling, especially since she disliked all the other coffin dodgers who did the exact same thing and began recognising them.

[niko_cee]

I dunno.

I know plenty of Australians, albeit pensioners mostly, who made the same journey up the coast from Victoria to Far North Queensland every year forever. Of course, they did that because they were ahead of the world in knowing what a legendary place it was, perhaps past tense emphasis, but I don't know if it is exclusively British.

The whole package thing maybe, but we're a mercantile people who need to leave the country to find more hospitable climes, unlike our North American special friends. Businesses exist to service that. I reckon the Germans might be similar though, Kiko will have to advise.

[Bernanke]

Plenty of Swedes that go to the same Greek/Thai location year in/year out, depending on tax bracket. I reckon social media has made it a bit less appealing than it was 10-15 years ago though, even for Jan Average. Can't be posting the same pool to your boomer Facebook pals same week every year.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We're the largest and most populous nation on earth that hosts neither a warm region with palm trees, nor a proper mountain range. Pretty much inevitable that we'd be the ones to pioneer mass package holidays.

[Bernanke]

My impression of it is that Brits/Scandis/Dutch/Germans very much have their own areas/islands, this is especially true for the Greek Islands. To a lesser extent this also applies to areas that used to attract a lot of Russians but no other nationalities. Guess it's just easier to focus marketing and flight logistics to one market for one specific island.

[Waffdon]

The hotel I was staying at in Tenerife the other year must have been 50-60% Belgian/dutch/Germans. I was expecting it to be full of only Brits.

Going when the English are still in school has its benefits I guess

[Kikó]

The Germans all love Spain (Malaga especially), Turkey and Greece. They do like to wandern (hike) so do a lot of those types of holidays or go north or to the lakes (like lake Constance).

I went on a few all in inclusives with my dad years back to Mexico and we ended up going back to the first one as we knew the quality of it would be good. I can't be arsed going to the same place over and over again (although I've mostly done the same summer holiday for 9 years since meeting the wife).

[wullie]

Lake Garda was more Germans than anyone else as well, every menu seemed to have schnitzel, spezi and kopfelhagenflugelschmerz.

[Shindig]

Damn it, Wullie. I tried to google the last one. :D

[Adramelch]

Not necessarily a spring/summer destination so maybe not suitable for what Ben's looking for, but I thought Ljubljana was incredible and flies under the radar a lot as an option (albeit less so in recent years).

[Ben]

It's definitely on my list yeah, I've been to Maribor with work and I thought Slovenia was a lovely country. Like you said though, it's just not suitable at the moment with it being our first family holiday.

Going off what people have said so far, we're probably looking at Spain or Portugal with TUI.

[Waffdon]

How long should I allow myself from Earls Court to Stanstead? Google says around 90 mins or so but I never know if the maps is actually helpful or not.

Only ever flown into Heathrow and jumped on the Piccadilly line but the flights to there are about 5x price of Stanstead on the same day.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Fucking ages. Circle line to Liverpool Street is probably half an hour on its own, and Stansted is basically in Norfolk, or at least somewhere up in Partridge Travel Tavern country.

[Waffdon]

I thought as much. 3 different trains doesn’t sound all that fun either. Assume Gatwick isn’t all that much better either as that’s reasonably cheap as well

[Jimmy Floyd]

Gatwick should be a lot easier as you can get there from Victoria which is just up the District Line from Earls Court.

[Waffdon]

Alright. Thank you boss man

[Bam]

Stansted is basically in Norfolk, or at least somewhere up in Partridge Travel Tavern country.

Its in Essex.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I will be the judge of what is and is not in Essex.

[Spikey M]

It's closer to Cambridge than it is to me, so I think it's Essex credentials are as accurate as calling it London Stansted. The lying northern bastards.

[Shindig]

Airports need to stop naming themselves after places they aren't in. It just leads to idiots like me flying to Baltimore instead of DC.

[Waffdon]

It certainly makes much more sense as to why the flights there are £15 a pop with how far out it actually is.

A bit like Glasgow Prestwick

[Pepe]

Airports need to stop naming themselves after places they aren't in. It just leads to idiots like me flying to Baltimore instead of DC.

:harold:

It's pretty close, tbh. At least you are not in Seattle.

[niko_cee]

The best London ones so far have been London Oxford Airport and the attempt to rename an entire county North Londonshire [RIP Northamptonshire].

Shoreham may or may not have flirted with some sort of London branding as well. Any further away from London and you'd be in the sea.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Not sure how you'd make that Baltimore error. What is it called, Proposition Joe International?

I can only imagine how American tourists feel when arriving at Heathrow and instead of the gleaming clockface of Big Ben or the magnificent grounds of Hampton Court, their introduction to England is instead the vast concrete bleak grey low-rises and halal food outlets of Bedfont, spread out in front of them in the taxi windows like someone else's shit on a bathroom floor.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Airports need to stop naming themselves after places they aren't in. It just leads to idiots like me flying to Baltimore instead of DC.

I booked a car at San Francisco airport but I actually landed in Oakland.

Thankfully the company were kind are sorted me out something.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The best London ones so far have been London Oxford Airport and the attempt to rename an entire county North Londonshire [RIP Northamptonshire].

Shoreham may or may not have flirted with some sort of London branding as well. Any further away from London and you'd be in the sea.

London Luton is also great. You're about an hour away from London.

[Pepe]

Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport :cool:

[Kikó]

Frankfurt Hahn is a classic of the genre. You're basically in Luxembourg.

[Bam]

Oh that old classic. :henn0rz:

[Dquincy]

:D

[Kikó]

I know it's hard to follow conversations at times.

[Lewis]

Humberside Airport is technically in somewhere that doesn't exist, so that might be the winner.

[phonics]

I've dealt with two german airports and its incredible how much it feels like stepping straight into the Soviet era.

[Luke Emia]

It's closer to Cambridge than it is to me, so I think its Essex credentials are as accurate as calling it London Stansted. The lying northern bastards.

Hour away from me it’s fucking beautiful. The only thing better would be getting a flight from Norwich.

[Luke Emia]

I've dealt with two german airports and it’s incredible how much it feels like stepping straight into the Soviet era.
We flew from the new Berlin airport last month for all German efficiency it was fucking useless in there.

[Shindig]

I mean, that airport was a shambles throughout. Needing to run trains to the place to keep it ventilated, the Vomitkurve, etc.

[Giggles]

They're always arseholey about passport cards in Germany but I love arguing it with them because I know I'm right and they don't like simple little Paddy being right.

[Kikó]

What's a passport card?

[Giggles]

Typical German.

It's an ATM card sized passport that allows travel between EU countries instead of the booklet one. I only ever need my book for the US now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Poland does those cards too, they call them identity cards though.

[Kikó]

Genuinely never heard of it. Interesting.

[Giggles]

The only real bother with them is that they're a shorter period than the book.

[Spikey M]

Are they new? I don't think we had them back in the good old days of out EU membership.

[Yevrah]

+1 for not knowing about this.

[SvN]

They're an Irish thing.

[Pen]

An EU thing I would think.

Ours see valid for the same five years a passport is. It is much more convenient than a passport as it fits in your cardholder.

[Clunge]

My partner is Portuguese and does all her intra-European travel on her ID card. She’s just got British citizenship too so she’a got the lot - EU ID card, Portuguese passport and British passport.

[Spikey M]

Kikoette.

[Lofty]

I'd argue Carlisle Lake District Airport is pushing it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Tony Blair tried to bring in ID cards here in the mid 2000s and was pushed back at by the civil liberties lobby on privacy grounds. I wonder if they will swing back to being right wing again once the reds get in. Constantly opposed to the government no matter what.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

On a train in Rome and on the little screens showing next destination they have a window showing CCTV from the other carriages. Pretty weird.

Far too hot on this train though, they're absolutely pumping the heating.

[niko_cee]

Perv cams.

[Giggles]

Double sweat.

[Shindig]

Is it any weirder than having CCTV monitors getting cycled through on buses?

[-james-]

What's worth seeing/doing in Malta?

[Waffdon]

Lewis is yer man.

I went to Gozo and Valletta and that was about that as far as tourism went.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The Vatican is seriously impressive.

Room after room after room of amazing art/statues/historical shit.

[-james-]

I didn't know they'd moved it.

[Raoul Duke]

What's worth seeing/doing in Malta?

Silema is nice for a mooch around

[Lewis]

The old bit of Valletta is worth a day (I never did the East/South side of the main bay which I should have done), and so is Mdina/Rabat. The buses into Valletta are alright, but get a taxi to the latter because like Waffelz said the other day the buses are shit, driven by monkeys, and stop every two minutes.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Again, sorry to detail James and Malta.

The Colosseum is incredible, it's well worth going underground.

[wullie]

One place I really liked was Circus Maximus even though it's just a big empty field, proper sense of place about it and there was a magic pizzeria by one of the corners. It was only after coming home we found the mouth of truth statue was about 2 mins from there as well

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm going to have to come again. There's so much to see and I feel I've barely scratched the surface.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've never been, almost waiting for a 3 month sabbatical or something so I can do it properly and learn the language. Sadly that only happens in quite far-fetched novels about rich people.

[John Arne]

Did 410 miles on the bike last weekend for a camping trip to Dalat. Final 1hr into/out of the city is immense driving (winding roads etc), but the rest of the journey was a not good for the backside.

https://gyazo.com/71302196f13e37017378d8e0cec68447.jpeg

[Giggles]

Did 410 miles on the bike last weekend for a camping trip to Dalat. Final 1hr into/out of the city is immense driving (winding roads etc), but the rest of the journey was a not good for the backside.

https://gyazo.com/71302196f13e37017378d8e0cec68447.jpeg

You need to check for a bulge before you pay.

[John Arne]

🥱

[-james-]

Lol at the latest Ryanair grift. The overhead lockers are apparently only for people who have booked priority, everyone else's bags has to go under the seat in front. Good luck trying to enforce that.

Also managed to get a perforated ear drum on the flight so fuck them.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I was on a Ryanair flight a couple of weeks ago and didn't have any problems with them grifting. Maybe they just hate you?

[Waffdon]

Lol at the latest Ryanair grift. The overhead lockers are apparently only for people who have booked priority, everyone else's bags has to go under the seat in front. Good luck trying to enforce that.

Also managed to get a perforated ear drum on the flight so fuck them.

They’re normally sound but they delayed my flight this morning for 3 hours trying to find staff. Cocks

[Shindig]

Looking at their baggage rules, I think anyone who paid for a cabin bag gets priority by default?


Priority & 2 Cabin Bags: This allows you to carry a small personal bag (40x20x25cm), which must fit under the seat in front of you and a 10kg bag (55x40x20cm) onboard, to be stored in the overhead locker. It also allows you to board the plane first using the Priority Boarding queue at the gate.

[Clunge]

Yup, they've grouped the two for years.

[-james-]

Yeah they try and force it on you so your £40 fare is in reality £70. I visited my parents with just a small rucksack and had to lol at now apparently not being allowed to use the overhead bins.

[niko_cee]

Is it formally not allowed, or is it just those are for all the dickheads with the wheel on luggage as a practicality policy? Don't think I've been on Ryanair for almost a decade now.

[hfswjyr]

Yeah they try and force it on you so your £40 fare is in reality £70. I visited my parents with just a small rucksack and had to lol at now apparently not being allowed to use the overhead bins.


I know this is completely irrelevant to the point you're making, but thinking about how much value is provided in that £40 (or £70) is really hard to fathom. The engineering, infrastructure, fuel, safety, service, taxes, profit etc. that goes into putting people into flying steel tubes to shuttle them around the world. All for the same money (or less) as a fancy restaurant meal or a seat at a sports game.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah, low cost flying is basically an economic miracle and Michael O'Leary is unironically one of the greatest agents of human happiness this century.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

[Clunge]

Yup. I'll take almost any level of discomfort, grief and shithousery to keep flying just about anywhere within a three hour radius for less than £100. It's insane.

[phonics]

The ultimate irony being that one of the reasons they can offer cheap flights is that they're running old Boeings which are far more safe than the new lot.

[Clunge]

Ryanair placed, I think, the world's biggest order (at the time) for 737 Max 8 aircraft during the period that aircraft was grounded – that's the Lion Air / Ethiopian Airlines crash one. They managed to get it under the radar by referring it to the 737-8000 or something like that. And they've ordered more since. I don't know if they have any 737 Max 9s (the Alaskan Airlines door blowout one). I think Tui has a few, and one of the Scandi carriers (Finnair or Icelandair).

Ryanair's fleet compared to a lot of others is relatively modern. Also, there is absolutely no chance the 737 Max will be killed off by all these incidents. The order book is still for thousands of them, and the issues will always get fixed. Modern aviation is absolutely reliant on there being competition between Airbus and Boeing.

EDIT: They called it the 737-8200. And they ordered 210 in total, a first order of 135 and another for 75 in Dec 2020. So both orders during the grounding.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, low cost flying is basically an economic miracle and Michael O'Leary is unironically one of the greatest agents of human happiness this century.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Absolutely. I don't use them often, but I flew to Ireland 10 years ago for the price of a Boots Meal Deal. I have no idea how they manage it, but I'll gladly suffer whatever indignity is required to make it happen

[Waffdon]

Yup. I'll take almost any level of discomfort, grief and shithousery to keep flying just about anywhere within a three hour radius for less than £100. It's insane.

I really did fuck up being with a school teacher. Barely get any use out of the cheap flights anymore. I was £14 and £25 for both my flights to London this weekend at 2 weeks notice. Spent nearly £30 in a taxi going 3.5 miles last night :lol:

[Jimmy Floyd]

I will never understand how black cabs stay in business. Not only are they about double the price they should be, but you can pretty much do any journey across London by bus, tube, foot or a combination in less than an hour.

[Waffdon]

I was pretty pissed and got on wrong tube to go back to hotel and couldn’t be arsed trying to rectify the mistake.

Stansted to Victoria was ridiculously easy though and was much less of a ballache then I thought it would be compared to Heathrow. Definitely just book there in future unless Heathrow have dirt cheap flights

[Jimmy Floyd]

I wouldn't call that easy but then I'm not used to ScotRail, jesus what a disaster that is.

[Dquincy]

The ultimate irony being that one of the reasons they can offer cheap flights is that they're running old Boeings which are far more safe than the new lot.


Ryanair placed, I think, the world's biggest order (at the time) for 737 Max 8 aircraft during the period that aircraft was grounded – that's the Lion Air / Ethiopian Airlines crash one. They managed to get it under the radar by referring it to the 737-8000 or something like that. And they've ordered more since. I don't know if they have any 737 Max 9s (the Alaskan Airlines door blowout one). I think Tui has a few, and one of the Scandi carriers (Finnair or Icelandair).

Ryanair's fleet compared to a lot of others is relatively modern. Also, there is absolutely no chance the 737 Max will be killed off by all these incidents. The order book is still for thousands of them, and the issues will always get fixed. Modern aviation is absolutely reliant on there being competition between Airbus and Boeing.

EDIT: They called it the 737-8200. And they ordered 210 in total, a first order of 135 and another for 75 in Dec 2020. So both orders during the grounding.

:D

[igor_balis]

I will never understand how black cabs stay in business. Not only are they about double the price they should be, but you can pretty much do any journey across London by bus, tube, foot or a combination in less than an hour.

I kinda love black cabs as an institution, despite (or perhaps partly because of) them really not making much sense on a logical/economic level. There's a young black cab lad who runs an excellent YouTube channel where he just does videos of his shifts, explains his routes, talks about the economics/admin/history of it all. It's really interesting, and it is genuinely fucking impressive what they can all do, yet it does still seem a bit pointless. He's done a couple of videos along the lines of "why still get black cabs" or "why are we worth using instead of Ubers" and it basically just boils down to "well we'll usually be a bit quicker because we know little short cuts and more aware of typical traffic rates/road closures that Google maps/sat navs don't really manage " and "well if you have a few of you it's basically as cheap as getting a train ticket each, and a much nicer journey ".

On the first point, yeah I spose. The second point is absolutely true though, and is with taxis generally. Big advocate of sharing taxis over multiple people getting tickets for stuff. Did my fucking head in when we did the fringe a few years back, and would constantly be late to the first show of the day cus my spazzy mates insisted on the 1 hour unreliable bus for £3 each or some shit, Vs all putting in practically the same amount into a taxi. Wankers.

[Don]

Yeah, I follow a black cabbie who puts out a lot of videos too.

[Ben]

I watched one where he explained the whole queueing system at Heathrow. Really interesting shit but he sat around for like five hours to get one job into the city. There is literally hundreds of cabs in this queue all to make, what, £50 tops?

[igor_balis]

I watched one where he explained the whole queueing system at Heathrow. Really interesting shit but he sat around for like five hours to get one job into the city. There is literally hundreds of cabs in this queue all to make, what, £50 tops?

Yeah I did think that. Plus when he breaks down the costs, hours, and general lifestyle it sounds pretty rubbish to be honest. Sounds quite patronising, but sometimes when he goes on about the "freedom" and other advantages of the job, I kinda think it's probs more a reflection of a lack of stuff to compare to. IIRC his only other job was working in topman or some shit. Still, good luck to him or whatever.

[CJay]

Anyone done Legoland Windsor? We're in London (Brentford) for a wedding at the start of April, and I'm considering doing it on our free day. Seems like there's a decent enough route out via Elizabeth Line, but we have to be back in the Ealing area for 5ish, so I'm wondering if 11-4 or thereabouts is enough time to make it worthwhile.

Any other advice on navigating London with a 4yo and a 6yo very welcome. Or better options for a fun day out than trekking out to Windsor.

[phonics]

Can't go wrong with the Natural History Museum.

[Jimmy Floyd]

11-4 is plenty for Legoland. It's great for those ages, but it's not an American style theme park spreading out over 5 million acres.

[Spikey M]

My 2 were underwhelmed by Lego Land. I'd go to Chessington or Thorpe Park instead.

[thommo]

Those hours would be fine, just be wary of the traffic down to Legoland as you'll need a bus from the station. Sounds like you're there during Easter holidays so it could be particularly busy.

[phonics]

I always wanted to go to Legoland because I liked the idea of that driving license bit. Then I saw video of it years later and it looked total shit.

[CJay]

My 2 were underwhelmed by Lego Land. I'd go to Chessington or Thorpe Park instead.

We're near Ewell for another wedding (:moop:) in September, so Chessington sounds ideal for that trip. Thanks for the tip.

This has also lead me to discover there is such a place as Nonsuch Park. Lovely.

[niko_cee]

Legoland is alright but you want to get there when it opens as otherwise it can be pain to get to and they day just goes. Those q-bot things they do [and you pay for] are well worth it imo, particularly if it is likely to be busy when you go.

I've also only ever been when you got cheap tickets from the newspaper or train, so not sure if it's value for money at the full sticker price, whatever that is now.

Went to the museums in Greenwich Park recently, although not great for Brentford-way. The maritime one was decent but the Royal Observatory has gone to shit since I was last there in the 90s, there's nothing in it. Kind of explains why an annual membership is basically the same price as a family entry. They know you're not coming back.

Science museum is alright, but I didn't like the entry system when I went where they basically guilt you into donating. Just charge a ticket price if that's what you plan to do. You can bypass that at the Natural History Museum by pre-booking admission, maybe that's available at the science museum as well now.

I think a daytrip to legoland when you need to be back in London/Ealing for 5ish sounds a bit like a recipe for disaster.

How about the zoo? Zoo's are great.

[CJay]

Those hours would be fine, just be wary of the traffic down to Legoland as you'll need a bus from the station. Sounds like you're there during Easter holidays so it could be particularly busy.

Yeah, I think we're stuck with busy places regardless due to the holidays so will have to suck it up unfortunately.

Thanks for the advice gents.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If London Zoo was where Legoland is, and vice versa, they would both be far better attractions.

[phonics]

I don't think I've ever been to a zoo.

[Spikey M]

I don't even know how that's possible? Getting dragged round one once a year as a kid was basically law when we were kids.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I haven't been to one for years. Have they gone all woke now with plans to return the captured animals to the wild etc? Sustainably caught tigers.

[Spikey M]

Most of them have just followed the trend of trying to bankrupt their customers by hiking their prices to ridiculous levels. £33 a ticket these days. Piss taking bastards.

And that's before they try to sell you a subpar burger and chips for £20.

[Lewis]

I took my mother to Windsor Castle last week, and, whilst the castle is well worth a visit, I was surprised how crap Windsor is. I expected a posh little cathedral city-type of place, when in actual fact it's like somebody dropped St. Paul's Cathedral in Nuneaton.

[niko_cee]

I haven't been to one for years. Have they gone all woke now with plans to return the captured animals to the wild etc? Sustainably caught tigers.

Jersey Zoo did this. Rebranded itself "Durrell" and had all the animals in enclosures where they were entirely invisible. They seem to have gone away from that now though and have let all the tamarinds and little marmoset monkey things run loose which is quite cool.

I went to Whipsnade Zoo quite recently which was ok, but seems to be some sort of Amazon fulfillment centre for other zoos, chiefly London Zoo or ZSL as I think it likes to refer to itself. Has a car route around it as well which was a bit :cab:.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Can't remember the last time I went to a zoo but I have been to Woburn "SAFARI PARK" a lot and I love it.

Nothing like having a pride of lions run towards your car or having monkeys finger their arseholes on your windscreen.

[niko_cee]

Don't the little fuckers just strip your car of all seals and other rubber parts?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Don't the little fuckers just strip your car of all seals and other rubber parts?

Last few times I went in a 9 seater. They usually just sit on the front taking out red berries which have collected in the cracks around the bonnet.

Although one time they were lounging on the roof and took some rubber parts from up there. I think they're just plugs for the holes for a roof rack.

[Shindig]

I went to Lincoln Park Zoo last year and it took a surprising amount of time to find any animal. First thing I saw was a depressed Polar Bear pacing back and forth.

[Lewis]

When I went to London Zoo I saw an African woman give her kid the hardest slap I've ever seen. He was mewling and pulling her jumper, and she turned round and belted him across his chops in a single movement. I was almost as astonished as he was.

[Don]

https://www.jet2holidays.com/search/results?airport=98_118_63_99_3&date=11-04-2024&duration=7&occupancy=r2c&destination=39_38_892_95_103_2071_94_1364_99_2028_ 98_97_1774_1747_105_2051_2052_1857_1858_1929_43&sortorder=1&page=1

That first deal :cab: (was apparently only £150 last night too). You're basically gonna come back well in profit over your day-to-day living expenses in UK. They should advertise it to the boat folk.

[Waffdon]

Cheaper than one of RL’s tasting menus. (Not including alcohol)

[Clunge]

Gonna be rife this summer with Jet2, Tui and easyJet holidays kicking the shit out of each other. There's record package capacity in the market this year. Could be some insane deals.

[Waffdon]

I did wonder why my holiday last year was so expensive compared to this year. Can get 14 days AI at 5* resorts in Mexico for less than £2000pp in July. No idea if you’re meant to go this time of the year or not.

[niko_cee]

"The Atlantic hurricane season runs from June 1st through November 30th."


Mexico's hurricane season is from May through November, with most storms developing between July and October. Hurricanes and tropical storms can cause life-threatening flash floods, dangerous winds, treacherous surf and rip currents, and other hazardous conditions.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Just another day in Dundee.

[Waffdon]

Touché.

I looked at Cape Verde but it just looks a bit, well, boring.

[Ben]

Windy as fuck too.

[Shindig]

The American Holocaust Museum was pretty sobering. Very effective when the yanks shut their traps for a few minutes and the whole room falls silent.

[Baz]

There was a pair of Americans in the pub yesterday with really thick southern accents. So annoying, I don’t think I could cope visiting America.

[Kikó]

I'm going to LONDON this weekend. Hopefully not getting stabbed.

[Shindig]

DC was a solid trip. Can't recommend it enough. Looks like a great place to drag the kids around. Just be wary that you could wind up with teenagers in the hotel room next door who act completely and utterly retarded.

I was staying in Crystal City which had plenty of options for food and drink and you could spot planes landing/taking off at Ronald Raegan National Airport. Surprisingly, the noise wasn't that big of a deal. Legitimately the most civilised US place I've seen so far.

Anyway, now for my chance to moan about baggage. I'm sick of doing that song and dance about checking in cabin bag bags because 'its a full flight, sir' The amount of overhead space we had flying out of Heathrow was fine. If airlines don't want to run that risk, keep that shit as one cabin bag per customer. Don't give them to option to buy more.

[Foe]

Got taken to Gran Canaria on a family holiday staying in an all inclusive resort where the aim of the game appears to be “help with your niece occassionally and float in the pool”.

Managed to avoid getting burnt to a crisp today, which was a nice bonus.

The (probably only) positive I can give Gran Canaria is the temperature is indeed hot. There’s nothing here that aside but sea (although it does look nice).

[Giggles]

Right, she's really on my case now after a few years of no holidays. Want something nice and quiet-ish, not resorty. Something small, no buses or that shite, where we can bobble around and just see what's what. Some sights be nice. I had Seville or something like that in my head from reading guff here, but recommendations appreciated.

[Giggles]

Basically Sorrento is the greatest place in the world to her, so that kind of thing somewhere else. With maybe more architecture for me.

[Ben]

Sicily then, if you want Sorrento plus architecture minus Brits.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sicily is the king if you like historical stuff. Seville is lovely but sounds bigger than what you're after.

[Giggles]

Cheers folks. I think we had a flying visit to Sicily once on a boat from Malta. Would you stay in Catania?

[phonics]

I loved Naples for that but it is a bit rough round the edges and you do have to hope the city isn't in an argument with the mafia over whether they'll pick up the bins that month but its part of the charm.

[Giggles]

Sicily then, if you want Sorrento plus architecture minus Brits.

Brits are grand, anything under 17 isn't.

[Giggles]

Sicily is the king if you like historical stuff. Seville is lovely but sounds bigger than what you're after.
Don't mind a good bit of walking, we'd do savage miles on holidays. It's not so much historical we want, just old looking and some oooh buildings.

[Bernanke]

I mean, you could do Andalucia but stick to the smaller places like Granada, Cordoba, Cadiz? Alhambra sounds like the ballpark for compromising sight to see between the two of you.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Cadiz is an absolute beaut actually. Not sure if there's a full holiday's worth of stuff in it (in fact I'm certain that there isn't) but it's a lovely place. Will be hot in the summer, mind.

[phonics]

Don't mind a good bit of walking, we'd do savage miles on holidays. It's not so much historical we want, just old looking and some oooh buildings.

Ooooh buildings reminds me of Lucca, genuinely interesting to walk around but I think you're done after 2 days.

[phonics]

All my posts have made me realise that I've done all of Western Europe but only ever been to Madrid for Spain (which I thought was largely shit)

[Giggles]

I'll have to look all of those up because they're not soccer teams.

[Bernanke]

Wait, are we talking August or so? Then yeah maybe inland Spain is not ideal.

[Giggles]

Wait, are we talking August or so? Then yeah maybe inland Spain is not ideal.

July or August anyway, for her school holidays, which always means brats.

[randomlegend]

Right, she's really on my case now after a few years of no holidays. Want something nice and quiet-ish, not resorty. Something small, no buses or that shite, where we can bobble around and just see what's what. Some sights be nice. I had Seville or something like that in my head from reading guff here, but recommendations appreciated.

Seville is really beautiful, we had a great time. When are you planning to go though? Because in the height of summer it is genuinely too hot. Not unusual to get above 40c and all the locals run away to the coast.

San Sebastian is absolutely brilliant if you're down for getting stuck into the Pintxo bars. Favourite city we've been to by far.

Edit: oh whoops, didn't read properly. Yeah Seville is too hot at that time.

[Ben]

Doubt you'll get many kids in Sicily. And while hot, will be bearable.

[Clunge]

Porto is a winner. Perfect for 3/4 days, especially if you take a day trip down the Douro. The city itself all funnels into the river, which – while very touristy – is still very spectacular. Then you have all the port houses and rooftop bars, great food, lots of nice parks, some great historic buildings and sights, and so on.

That said, if you're thinking about a week, 10 days, or two weeks, it's not going to be ideal. But then, you could always pootle on down through Portugal to Aveiro, Coimbra and onwards to Lisbon, or go north to Guimaraes and up to the national parks. Or even all the way up to Vigo and Santiago in Spain.

[Boydy]

Doubt you'll get many kids in Sicily. And while hot, will be bearable.

Wasn't Sicily on fire last summer?

[Waffdon]

Yeah. Was in the 40s when I was there

[Ben]

Global warming. I was there like 6 years ago and I remember it being around 30C but due to always being fairly close to the coast it didn't feel too hot.

[John Arne]

I'm camping in the middle of buttfuck nowhere. Pretty awesome, but having no data/WiFi is sickening.

https://gyazo.com/ebde317ce6adcfd253db56a36d745057.jpeg

[Spikey M]

I'd be more concerned by the river made of pure shite and the high risk of landmines.

[Don]

Probs not even any pubs offering accessible sheperd's pie.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I sometimes have a fantasy that if war or nuclear disaster breaks out, I'll run away to a place that looks like that and live out my days like a hermit, ensconced in nature. Of course, about 500 million people will also have the same idea so there'll be a Dunkin Donuts on the banks of that stream within weeks.

[John Arne]

I'd be more concerned by the river made of pure shite and the high risk of landmines.

You can literally see the floor of the river, dofus. I mean, I'm not drinking, but it's pretty clean up in the mountains.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Flew back from Spain last night and one of the flight attendants made me want to grind my teeth to powder.

He thought he was hilarious and constantly made jokey remarks on the PA system when delivering news. To top it off after we landed and were being taxied to the terminal he started doing one liners which seemed to have any 40+ year old woman in hysterics.

It was painful.

[Baz]

I believe that’s now called rizz.

[Waffdon]

That cable car and Toboggan in Funchal is not worth the 3 hour combined queue. My god. woman.

[Ben]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68723697

We really are shit. The "oh but we're a busy airport" excuse doesn't fly when Schiphol have had the new scanners for years now.

[Lewis]

I went to Rome this week. The Colosseum (and bits around it) is fantastic, and so is the Pantheon. The Vatican Museum is a bit crap, what with it being essentially a second rate art museum, and the Sistine Chapel is underwhelming; but Saint Peter's Basilica is incredible. Castel Sant'Angelo is pretty crummy but worth the climb up, the Trevi Fountain is nice if you're tall enough to see over the crowd, the Spanish Steps are alright, and the hill to the West is a decent walk for the view.

It was nice to mooch around because it's quite small and full of interesting bits, but literally every inch of it is 'the tourist bit' plagued by Indians selling phone chargers and Africans asking if your trainers are football colours to sell you shit ('Newcastle shoes, brother?' the SS actually Roots me old son get lost). Apparently round about now is the quieter season, but it was still pretty busy around the attractions, and Chinese people can't use standard stairs let alone olden days uneven ones. It's also fucking filthy, with litter everywhere, graffiti on every wall that isn't behind a protective fence, and probably one public toilet in the entire city. The quarter of a mile around the train station in particular is a disgrace.

I like the pizza by weight system, and I feel like somebody offering that here would do well; but then I also think you would get dickheads ordering x amount, hearing the price, and then asking for less. I don't know. Good trip, and the flights cost less than my last on-peak train from Portsmouth to London.

[Pepe]

Share the selfies.

[Spikey M]

I like the pizza by weight system, and I feel like somebody offering that here would do well;.

There was a chicken shop in Birmingham that kind of did this when I lived there. It was great. You walked in with a pocket full of shrapnel after a night out and asked boss man what he'd give you for £2.47.

He never actually weighed anything, obviously. But it was good fun.

[niko_cee]

Like a less focus grouped version of that Cadbury advert.

I'd like a piece of chicken please . . .

[Lewis]

Share the selfies.

https://i.imgur.com/8GSJaOD.png

The only picture I took. By the ninth one I had started to appreciate their way of doing it.

[Spikey M]

How were the Turkey Dinosaurs?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Probably slapped on a pizza tbf.

[Lewis]

Some of the things they do slap on their weighed pizza looked pretty suspect.