Nonces

[Spikey M]

Where the fuck are you all?

[Giggles]

Present.

[Waffdon]

Could have at least made it public so I could share my collection with my voters.

[bruhnaldo]

Yikes!

[Offshore Toon]

Difficult to deny Saville the title. If it were the type of thing that's celebrated, he'd definitely have a statue.

[Spikey M]

Ian Watkins should be on the poll purely because, in a thread this tasteless, I bottled including him.

[Ian]

I dunno, man. As that sort of group went Steps weren't that bad.

[Yevrah]

How has he not been victim to a stairwell nonce bashing yet?

[Lewis]

It's hard to see how anyone other than Sir Jimmy Savile is the 'best' nonce seeing as he not only got away with it for decades, and lived to die as a National Treasure, but he also ruined it for everybody else when he died and it all came out. He's like the Alex Ferguson of noncing, except if like Alex Ferguson was has also been secretly bankrolling the Glazer family all along.

[Yevrah]

How does Savile get this as a description on Google:


Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile OBE KCSG was an English DJ, television and radio personality who hosted BBC shows including Top of the Pops and Jim'll Fix It. He raised an estimated £40 million for charities and, during his lifetime, was widely praised for his personal qualities and as a fund-raiser

Yet, Watkins gets:


Ian David Karslake Watkins is a Welsh former singer, songwriter, musician, and convicted sex offender.

[Spikey M]

Because he was never officially charged and convicted I guess.

[Yevrah]

Because he was never officially charged and convicted I guess.

Yeah, course, but it should say something in reference to the allegations.

This would do:


It was reported that Savile had boasted to nurses and other staff that he performed sex acts on the bodies of recently deceased persons in the mortuary of Leeds General Hospital and claimed to have removed glass eyes from corpses and made them into rings. The report says "We have no way of proving Savile's claims that he interfered with the bodies of the deceased patients in the mortuary in this way" but that Savile did have unsupervised access to the mortuary.

[SincereTheRebel]

You are wild for this thread.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The IT guy at work was trying to convince me that Michael Jackson was innocent. I get that there are people who like his music, but is Billie Jean that good a song that legions of people devote their life to slavishly denying the truth?

[Spikey M]

You are wild for this thread.

It was intended to be a throw away thread in which I could complain about the lack of activity on here and call Waff a nonce. That people are actually discussing it is... well.

[Bam]

Should have been an option for Mo.

[phonics]

Yeah, course, but it should say something in reference to the allegations.

This would do:

because Wikipedia have editorial rules

[phonics]

The IT guy at work was trying to convince me that Michael Jackson was innocent. I get that there are people who like his music, but is Billie Jean that good a song that legions of people devote their life to slavishly denying the truth?

The recency of people trying to cancel Michael Jackson was weird. I thought we were all quite aware of him being a nonce before this current millenia. Apparently a Netflix documentary is more compelling testimony than 2 seperate court cases?

[bruhnaldo]

The IT guy at work was trying to convince me that Michael Jackson was innocent. I get that there are people who like his music, but is Billie Jean that good a song that legions of people devote their life to slavishly denying the truth?

I mean he is innocent, though.

[bruhnaldo]

Wait ya'll really think MJ did that shit? Sighhhhh.

[phonics]

Wait ya'll really think MJ did that shit? Sighhhhh.

Do you think Jeffrey Epstein is innocent too? R Kelly? There's less proof against both of them.

[Yevrah]

Fuck's sake Bruh.

He had children staying at his house and in his bed. What in the fuck else do you think he was doing?

[Giggles]

Wait ya'll really think MJ did that shit? Sighhhhh.

Charles Manson didn’t kill anyone either.

[bruhnaldo]

Do you think Jeffrey Epstein is innocent too? R Kelly? There's less proof against both of them.

There's proof?

[phonics]

There's proof?

lol I'm done. You are a wild one.

[bruhnaldo]

So there's not.

[Yevrah]

There isn't much proof, no.

But would you let your kids/nephews/nieces have a sleepover at Neverland were he still alive?

[phonics]

How much smoke do you need to see before assuming there's a fire.

[Giggles]

There isn't much proof, no.

But would you let your kids/nephews/nieces have a sleepover at Neverland were he still alive?

Bruh sounds like he’d sleep there himself.

[Spikey M]

There's enough 'reasonable doubt' to not be convinced he was definitely noncing, but there's also more than enough reason to be convinced that he was. The only unreasonable position you could hold on the subject is the one Bruh is attempting to hold.

[bruhnaldo]

The entire investigation involved two grand juries and more than 400 people interviewed over a period of 13 months... the evidence presented by the Santa Barbara police and the LAPD was not convincing enough to indict Jackson or subpoena him, even though grand juries can indict the accused purely on hearsay evidence.



According to a 1994 report by Variety, a source in contact with the grand juries said that none of the witnesses had produced anything to directly implicate Jackson. According to a 1994 report by Showbiz Today, one of the grand jurors claimed they "did not hear any damaging testimony" during the hearings. FBI files released after Jackson's death also noted that the prosecution had no outstanding leads..


By 1994 prosecution departments in California had spent $2 million and convened two grand juries, but Jordan Chandler's allegations could not be corroborated.

[Yevrah]

That's not an answer to my question Bruh.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Elvis is still alive too.

[bruhnaldo]

Oh I'm sorry I thought the facts of the actual case were more important than some hypothetical scenario that couldn't possibly happen or exist.

Let's play that one out real quick so we can get back on track.


"Yes, I wouldn't have any problem with it."

"Wow, you're an awful terrible person! Can you believe this guy?!"

"Well, given what I've read about the evidence against him it seems more plausibly a money grab by folks who saw a $24mil settlement made to a family whose patriarch 'cared so much about his son' that he was barely in his life, attempted to extort Mike for a movie deal BEFORE going to the police, and when asked how the trial would effect his son stated

"That's irrelevant to me ... It will be a massacre if I don't get what I want."

A patriarch who then decided to not cooperate with police to put away such a monster once he got his check for $1.5 million.

So no, I wouldn't have a problem with it, personally, but sure I could understand how others would have pause given all of the allegations.

But, I will say, if we followed the court of public opinion instead of the findings of a multi-million dollar criminal investigation we'd probably have a lot (more) guilty yet innocent people in our prison system."

Now that your red herring is well fed....

[Lewis]

Michael Jackson gave that family something like a quarter of his then worth because he didn't molest their son.

[phonics]

I like that one of the quotes if from a Grand Juror. Someone who legally can't discuss the case having enough legal cover to avoid punishment and enough journalistic nous to contact the press and stay anonymous happening to agree with the incredibly well funded side of the case.

Bruh, have you ever noticed that situations where one side has lots of money and the other side doesn't; often ends before they get court and there's no admission of guilt?

[Yevrah]

It's not just a hypothetical scenario Bruh, one of the juror's said similar when he got off the criminal case. "Was there enough evidence to prove he was guilty beyond reasonable doubt? No. Would I have let him anywhere near my kids? Not for shit."

[bruhnaldo]

Michael Jackson gave that family something like a quarter of his then worth because he didn't molest their son.


So you're saying a guy with $100mil+ would potentially rather pay $25m to not have to sit through months/years of embarrassing testimony, including but not limited to, a child (very wrongly, as per court documents) labeling the specific scars of his penis and naked body due to his skin condition.

With other such details like him being circumcised despite, after a thorough 30 minute medical examination, been found to both having never been circumcised or having his penis surgically altered otherwise to show the appearance of foreskin.

I can't imagine paying to not have to deal with that type of embarrassment at all.

[Yevrah]

Some things are worth fighting against if you're innocent. Being accused of being a paedo when you're not is one such thing.

[bruhnaldo]

I like that one of the quotes if from a Grand Juror. Someone who legally can't discuss the case having enough legal cover to avoid punishment and enough journalistic nous to contact the press and stay anonymous happening to agree with the incredibly well funded side of the case.

Just say you'd rather believe Michael Jackson fucked kids, it's okay, I'm fine with you having your own opinion about it.

But this weird "oh so you don't believe hearsay lmfao what a fucking idiot" slant is bullshit when you're disregarding all of the other shit, like spending more than $2m in tax payer dollars to catch this guy doing all of this shit and being unable to even INDICT the muhfucka.

[phonics]

So you're saying a guy with $100mil+ would potentially rather pay $25m to not have to sit through months/years of embarrassing testimony, including but not limited to, a child (very wrongly, as per court documents) labeling the specific scars of his penis and naked body due to his skin condition.

With other such details like him being circumcised despite, after a thorough 30 minute medical examination, been found to both having never been circumcised or having his penis surgically altered otherwise to show the appearance of foreskin.

I can't imagine paying to not have to deal with that type of embarrassment at all.

I love how you think Michael Jackson had any control over his money and/or legal strategy.

[Lewis]

1) Have everyone find out what my cock looks like
2) Pay twenty million dollars to forever be known as a paedophile

It's a tough one I'll admit.

[bruhnaldo]

Some things are worth fighting against if you're innocent. Being accused of being a paedo when you're not is one such thing.

You don't have $100m, aren't the biggest pop star on Earth, and have no idea exactly what is or isn't worth fighting, especially when, as you all have shown greatly despite plenty other of the anecdotal evidence we magically cherish now, the court of public opinion will seal your fate regardless.

[phonics]

But this weird "oh so you don't believe hearsay lmfao what a fucking idiot" slant is bullshit when you're disregarding all of the other shit, like spending more than $2m in tax payer dollars to catch this guy doing all of this shit and being unable to even INDICT the muhfucka.

You realise that Jackson would have probably spent 2-3x that on making sure he wasn't indicted right?

[bruhnaldo]

I love how you think Michael Jackson had any control over his money and/or legal strategy.

I'm arguing facts as they were presented, you keep bringing up conjecture with a pretentious attitude.

I'm fine with this but just want you to be aware.

[phonics]

1) Have everyone find out what my cock looks like
2) Pay twenty million dollars to forever be known as a paedophile

It's a tough one I'll admit.

Funniest tidbit of the Epstein case is him walking out of a deposition because one of his accusers said he had a knob shaped like an egg and the lawyer asked him to whip it out.

[bruhnaldo]

You realise that Jackson would have probably spent 2-3x that on making sure he wasn't indicted right?


I'm arguing facts as they were presented, you keep bringing up conjecture with a pretentious attitude.

I'm fine with this but just want you to be aware.

.

[bruhnaldo]

1) Have everyone find out what my cock looks like
2) Pay twenty million dollars to forever be known as a paedophile

It's a tough one I'll admit.

That all sounds good if you're Lewis from Hull, but $20m to Michael Jackson was like $20 to us regular folk.

[Yevrah]

You don't have $100m, aren't the biggest pop star on Earth, and have no idea exactly what is or isn't worth fighting, especially when, as you all have shown greatly despite plenty other of the anecdotal evidence we magically cherish now, the court of public opinion will seal your fate regardless.

There are people who fight sexual offence investigations/charges and they clear their reputation. Craig Charles and Cliff Richard spring to mind. So no, I don't care that I'm not the biggest star on earth or worth $100m, there are some things you just fight.

It would have taken up so little of his actual time to fight anyway. More of his money, but he was happy to give that away anyway.

[phonics]

I'm arguing facts as they were presented, you keep bringing up conjecture with a pretentious attitude.

I'm fine with this but just want you to be aware.

Bruh, I worked for a company that spent 65 million dollars fighting a suit asking for 20 million dollars because their product gave people cancer (it more than likely did, they won anyway and settled for 5 and no admission of guilt). I'm working on the basis of Occams Razor where there's a smaller than average probability he didn't ever touch anyone despite the weirdo behavior and multiple allegations over decades, more than likely explained by the child abuse he received from his nutter father. You're going balls to the wall based on him not being convicted. That's the difference.

[bruhnaldo]

There are people who fight sexual offence investigations/charges and they clear their reputation. Craig Charles and Cliff Richard spring to mind. So no, I don't care that I'm not the biggest star on earth or worth $100m, there are some things you just fight.

It would have taken up so little of his actual time to fight anyway. More of his money, but he was happy to give that away anyway.

Whoever the fuck those people are, they weren't going to have the top story on world news every day be Day 125 of the Michael Jackson Fucks Kids Trial for a year or more, so again, entire irrelevant to the point.

Now, you can say that that leads YOU to believe he's a paedo, and that's your opinion and I respect your opinion.

But there is no real, actual evidence. Millions were spent trying to collect any evidence and they couldn't find them.

If your argument is MJ paid off everyone to make this all go away, then they're all just as fault for advocating for such a monsterous human.

Though, I would say, you're telling me not once person stopped and said "MJ's estate is paying the city millions to let this fucking kids thing go" and that everyone was simultaneously okay with this wantan use of public funds?

I mean sure that's plausible but is it REASONABLE? I'm not sure.

[phonics]

Bruh, do you think Jeffrey Epstein killed himself?


Though, I would say, you're telling me not once person stopped and said "MJ's estate is paying the city millions to let this fucking kids thing go" and that everyone was simultaneously okay with this wantan use of public funds?

Fucks sake... Have you heard of the Catholic Church?

[bruhnaldo]

You're going balls to the wall based on him not being convicted.

Indicted*. Conviction is such a long, long step from an indictment I feel it very important to make this determination.

At any rate,

Accuser 1 gets paid $24m despite there being no indictment.

You think it's more plausible that subsequent accusations weren't POTENTIALLY (i'm not saying for sure I'm asking you just for the plausibility) money grabs within themselves?

The two guys from the documentary last year (earlier this year?) got their accounts ripped apart from what I understood. Otherwise, what are we really working with?

[bruhnaldo]

Bruh, do you think Jeffrey Epstein killed himself?


Fucks sake... Have you heard of the Catholic Church?

Why does MJ have to be guilty just because other people are bad, though?

[phonics]

Otherwise, what are we really working with?

Public rumour and allegations since I was old enough to know what being a paedo even was? Bruh, how do you live in a world where Harvey Weinstein has had to quit every company he owns but has not been indicted and also die on this hill.

Justin Timberlake was given an album written/produced for Michael Jackson when the second grand jury happened. Everyone knew.

You live in a world where an international paedophile hosted parties with Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and a member of the fucking Royal Family ffs. Rich people do horrific shit ALL THE TIME IN PUBLIC and they don't go to jail.

[Giggles]

We needed a nonce sympathiser to spice things up on the board. Fair play Bruh.

[Disco]

Debating if Jacko was a fiddler, in 2019. :D

Jim'll wins every time, he did it basically in full view and in hospitals he had named after him for being such a great bloke. Seemingly everyone knew it too, which just makes him even 'better'. He must have pissed himself to sleep every night.

[bruhnaldo]

Public rumour and allegations

Again proving there's no point spending a year+ and probably just as much money being embarrassed every single day on national news worldwide because the Court of Public Opinion (read: their own personal feelings regardless of any evidence or potential circumstance otherwise) rules supreme over everything else.


Bruh, how do you live in a world where Harvey Weinstein has had to quit every company he owns but has not been indicted and also die on this hill.

Harvey Weinstein was forced out to save the businesses in which he started and the hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars made by them otherwise.

Being forced out by your board of directors because of public opinion (edit: that directly affects other people's livelihood and bottomline) is a little different than prescribing allegations as proof in the case of one person and one person's career and life only.

[phonics]

I can't tell whether you're innocent or naive but I have to respect it.

[bruhnaldo]

Again, I could understand one's reluctance to believe in MJ's innocence but just say you'd rather believe MJ fucked kids.

Don't paint me as an asshole for not just assuming the guilt of a man whose life none of us were truly privy, especially when I feel I've posted several points that could and probably SHOULD at least give you SOME pause to just wholeheartedly believe every accusation.

[bruhnaldo]

Spikey M I hope you're fuckin happy with your noncy thread

[bruhnaldo]

Also FUCK whoever made those thread tags I hate you and hope the weather is bad on a day you need it to be sunny.

[phonics]

You do remember that this all started with Jim saying 'lol someone tried to convince me that MJ didn't fuck kids' and your reply was 'Because he is innocent'. You're the only one who implied certainty in here.

[phonics]

Bruh, please give me your take on Jeffrey Epstein. I would genuinely be interested in hearing it.

[bruhnaldo]

Oh I'm sorry are we not doing "innocent until proven guilty" these days?!!?!

Cause as you know he hasn't been convicted (OR INDICTED!) of any God damned mother fuckin thing! :)

[bruhnaldo]

Bruh, please give me your take on Jeffrey Epstein. I would genuinely be interested in hearing it.

Please quote and select the human who was indicted on charges of sexual abuse below, knowing that at the very, very least indictment implies at least some existing evidence of misconduct:

[ ] Jeffrey Epstein
[ ] Michael Jackson

[phonics]

Dude, I don't believe a guilty conviction proves you're guilty so why would one of innocence? That's why I'm asking for your Epstein take.

[bruhnaldo]

So what you're saying is that regardless of what can or cannot be proven, your personal opinion will always reign supreme, so there's really no point for anyone to try to "clear their name" because at the end of the day people are going to believe what they want to believe?

[Yevrah]

What do you think on Epstein Phonics?

[bruhnaldo]

What do you think on Epstein Phonics?

What is there to think? He literally plead guilty to soliciting an underage prostitute in 2008.

[Yevrah]

What is there to think? He literally plead guilty to soliciting an underage prostitute in 2008.

I don't know, which is why I'm asking Phonics the question as he keeps banging on about him.

[phonics]

What do you think on Epstein Phonics?

I think his original Florida sentence was done to use up all the evidence against him knowing he'd get a sweetheart deal. He was murdered in Prison, by god knows who, when that got turned into a federal case. They tried to offer the 3 guards that 'forgot to check on him' and turned the cameras off a plea deal before charging them today. We all know what happened.

I think he was a bit-part low level money launderer and public face for a whole world of nefarious shit.

[Yevrah]

I think his original Florida sentence was done to use up all the evidence against him knowing he'd get a sweetheart deal. He was murdered in Prison by god knows who, when that got turned into a federal case.

I think he was a bit-part low level money launderer and public face for a whole world of nefarious shit.

I've been reading about him since the Prince Andrew interview and the whole thing stinks to high heaven. How he was offered that deal in the first place only lends itself to one conclusion (he knew where the bodies were buried) and given the rumours about the people he hosted and his penchant for taping things it was very convenient that he died in prison, while some guards were being very bad at their jobs.

[phonics]

I've been reading about him since the Prince Andrew interview and the whole thing stinks to high heaven. How he was offered that deal in the first place only lends itself to one conclusion (he knew where the bodies were buried) and given the rumours about the people he hosted and his penchant for taping things it was very convenient that he died in prison, while some guards were being very bad at their jobs.

You've only reached the tip of the iceberg. It's so much worse than a brief browse looks and it goes so far.

[Yevrah]

Hit me.

[niko_cee]

Are illuminati noncing conspiracies the new jet fuel can't melt steel beams? I'm really not sure why you'd bother with it.

[phonics]

Hit me.

Would you like the political connection stuff, the money stuff, the paedo stuff, the cia/mossad connection stuff or the human/drug trafficking stuff? It's late.

You might hate the personalities involved but I reccomend TrueAnon, https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod

The hosts can be a little annoying and the sound qualities awful but their research is as legit as you can get for stuff you'd file under conspiracy theory.