Game of Thrones: The Final Season

[Ian]

Season 8 is finally upon us.
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I'm kind of at the point where I just want this to be over with now.

Sounds like the battle at Winterfell is going to be pretty spectacular though.

And some predictions for people to fill in. If many people do it and I can be arsed I may tot up scores at the end of the series.

1) Who will end the series on the Iron Throne?
2) Who is Azor Azhai?
3) How many dragons will be alive at the end of the series?
4) Who will survive Cleganebowl?
5) How many of the main Lannisters will be alive at the end of the series?
6) Will Tormund and Brienne get it on and try to create enormous babies together?
7) According to the first result I found on Google Arya's List still has Cersei, Ilyn Payne, Mount Zombie, the Hound, Melisandre and Beric Dondarrion on it. How many will she kill?
8) There are two direwolves currently alive, Arya's and Jon's. How many will be alive at the end of the season?

[randomlegend]

Imagine if once this is over, George Rartin Rartin Martin announces the story has been told and he doesn't intend to finish the book series. The book-wanker seethe would be biblical.

[Disco]

A decade ago maybe, most are beyond caring now.

They should title this series 'How to blow a 3 dragon lead'

[randomlegend]

A decade ago maybe, most are beyond caring now.


You severely underestimate the tenacity of rabid fanboys.

[Ian]

It's not something he'll ever announce anyway. He'll either finally cobble together the next book between him working on literally anything else he can or just pop his clogs.

He just commission somebody who actually wants to write them to finish them up for him.

[Spikey M]

I like the theory that John Snow becomes the King but as a White Walker.

[Alex]

Somebody started a Game of Thrones Death Pool at work. Just a list of all the major characters, and you had to pick whether they make it out alive or die and/or become a White Walker. I spent the vast majority of my work day considering my answers.

There were some bonus questions for extra points too, so I've gone for a controversial "Gendry on the Iron Throne" ending. Go on son.

[Giggles]

Are people really going to cinemas to watch this?

[Spikey M]

Adults dressed up as wizards and queued until midnight to buy Harry Potter books. So yes, they are. It's probably the same neck bearded virgins too.

[John]

There are pubs getting late licenses to the Sky Atlantic simulcast this year too.

[Pen]

So will the whole season be out on Sunday or just the first episode?

Also how many episodes will this season even have?

[randomlegend]

Spoilers boys I finish up on the iron throne.

[Lewis]

Who carries you up the steps?

[randomlegend]

I can walk all by my self now, not like that little Bran cunt.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

1) Who will end the series on the Iron Throne? Gendry.
2) Who is Azor Azhai? Jon Snow
3) How many dragons will be alive at the end of the series? One, do I get bonus points if I name the dragon to survive? If so, Drogon
4) Who will survive Cleganebowl? Sandor
5) How many of the main Lannisters will be alive at the end of the series? Two, Jaime and Tyrion
6) Will Tormund and Brienne get it on and try to create enormous babies together? Obviously
7) According to the first result I found on Google Arya's List still has Cersei, Ilyn Payne, Mount Zombie, the Hound, Melisandre and Beric Dondarrion on it. How many will she kill? Three. Cersei, Mount Zombie and Melisandre. I doubt we're going to see Ilyn or Beric again and she will spare Sandor.
8) There are two direwolves currently alive, Arya's and Jon's. How many will be alive at the end of the season? Two.

[Spikey M]

I can walk all by my self now, not like that little Bran cunt.

Nobody is holding the door for you m8.

[The Merse]

1) Who will end the series on the Iron Throne? Gendry
2) Who is Azor Azhai? Jon Snow
3) How many dragons will be alive at the end of the series? 1
4) Who will survive Cleganebowl? 1
5) How many of the main Lannisters will be alive at the end of the series? 1
6) Will Tormund and Brienne get it on and try to create enormous babies together? Yes
7) According to the first result I found on Google Arya's List still has Cersei, Ilyn Payne, Mount Zombie, the Hound, Melisandre and Beric Dondarrion on it. How many will she kill? 2
8) There are two direwolves currently alive, Arya's and Jon's. How many will be alive at the end of the season? 1


Importantly, are spoilering until the Monday night showing?

I'll be staying up and watching Sun night/Monday morning for the first one (and probably the last as well)

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I personally say no spoiler tags.

A lot of us will be watching at US pace/pre-UK showing but obviously it's something that should be decided by the majority.

[phonics]

Spoilers until after the UK shows it. 90% of this board has a life.

[Ian]

I think once it's been aired in the UK (2am right?) it should be fair game. People (including myself) can manage to not open the fucking thread, I'd hope.

[-james-]

What's the best recap type thing I can watch tonight?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Spoilers until after the UK shows it. 90% of this board has a life.
Yeah but you don't have to open the thread, mong.

[Mellberg]

I think once it's been aired in the UK (2am right?) it should be fair game. People (including myself) can manage to not open the fucking thread, I'd hope.

This. Obviously.

Have the week off, so weighing up the late one.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Are they doing simulcast for just the first or all of the episodes? Either way I say fuck the spoiler tags and use some common sense by only venturing in here when you've seen the latest episode.

I wont be watching live, being on Virgin Media there's no Sky Atlantic, I don't want to use a stream and I'm a little tired.

[Pleb]

Simulcast at 2am Mahow.

[Mike]

Just finished it. Not bad.

[Mellberg]

Decent. Didn't blow their load too early thankfully.

Need to rewatch season 7 though. Loads of shit going on I don't remember the previous step for. Gendry, when did he come back? Why is Jamie in Winterfell? I can barely recall what I had for breakfast nevermind two fucking years ago.

[Browning]

I thought it was good but not great. A few intriguing moments but also some of it felt pointless even in the context of an opening episode. Did we need Jon and Dany flying on dragons for ages (with terrible special effects on the close ups) just for them to shag on a mountain?

Still enjoyable though.

[Browning]

Oh I forgot to mention how little sense Jon’s reaction made. “Ned was too honourable to lie... he definitely told the truth about the time he shagged some random whore behind his wife’s back.”

I’m sure that point was made 1000 times before his parentage was confirmed but hearing Jon try and argue it was bizarre.

[The Merse]

Decent, solid, not worth me staying up for and working from bed in the morning.

[Spikey M]

Decent. Didn't blow their load too early thankfully.

Need to rewatch season 7 though. Loads of shit going on I don't remember the previous step for. Gendry, when did he come back? Why is Jamie in Winterfell? I can barely recall what I had for breakfast nevermind two fucking years ago.

From memory, Jamie bought into the 'unite and beat the White Walkers' pitch and told Cercy to fuck off when she told him she was lying and was going to invade the lot of them whilst they're gone.

[mugbull]

How funny would it be if Cersei ends the show on the throne

[phonics]

My theory: In a grand irony, it will end exactly as it did before the war. A Targearyan and a Stark on the throne just as before the rebellion that started the entire cycle.

[-james-]

The How To Train Your Dragon bit was the most agonizing ten minutes of telly I've ever watched.

[Ian]

Better than your average season opener for GOT but then most of the people are in two or three places now so less need to hurriedly shuffle pieces about.

Daenerys is still a horrible, tyrannical bitch so some things never change.

[Raoul Duke]

Thought it was a pretty good start, even if it was just a load of character recap/intro shit. The pirate geezer who smashed Cercei stole the episode.

That crossbow is definitely killing another Lannister by the end of this.

[Kikó]

I'm still rooting for the white walkers.

[John]

That crossbow is definitely killing another Lannister by the end of this.

Not much of a prediction, given it was dished out by one of the three remaining Lannisters with the stated purpose of killing one or both of the other two. I'd wager Bronn will actually use it to save one of them, by killing someone who's about to off them, or handing it to Tyrion so he can do someone in. As a bold prediction, Tyrion uses it to burst the Night King with a bolt made of dragon glass.

Bran needs to die as soon as possible. Not only can the actor not act, but he's just a complete dick about everything to everyone, and in the least entertaining way possible. It's like he felt the same way James did about that Emilia Clarke brain bleed thing and decided to somehow become even more of a charisma vacuum to make her look good by comparison.

The How to Train Your Dragon bit was bobbins, but the scenery was absolutely stunning so I very quickly just refocused on that and watched it as I would an establishing shot in an Attenbrough thing, which made it at least bearable. The Shagger of Nephews is just a complete nutcase at this point, so fingers crossed Samwell lands a prime frogsplash on her in her sleep.

Euron Greyjoy can fuck off too. It's always nice to see someone getting over on Cersei, but must they always be considerably more insufferable than her? Last time it was Jeremy Sparrow, this time it's Russell Brand with a haircut and an accent.

[Lewis]

Euron Greyjoy looks like Smiffy.

[phonics]

Is Brann CGI? His head is a terrifying shape.

[Lewis]

Yeah, he looks like a North Korean in whiteface.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

:D

[Bernanke]

I don't want to shit on the episode too much, but it really drove home for me that I really don't care about this show or it's characters anymore.

Emilia Clarke is as terrible as always, Kit Harrington is actually a really solid actor who will have no trouble finding work after this is all over, and even Sophie Turner had me thinking she might not be a complete sidenote in 30 years when they do those "where are they now?" with that "What do dragons eat, anyway?" line.

[randomlegend]

I thought it was a pretty good welcome back to the series tbh. I was pleasantly surprised at them getting on and doing something worthwhile in the first episode (telling Jon who he is) rather than dragging it out.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't want to shit on the episode too much, but it really drove home for me that I really don't care about this show or it's characters anymore.

Emilia Clarke is as terrible as always, Kit Harrington is actually a really solid actor who will have no trouble finding work after this is all over, and even Sophie Turner had me thinking she might not be a complete sidenote in 30 years when they do those "where are they now?" with that "What do dragons eat, anyway?" line.

I'm with this, it's dreadful predictable tosh now. Real corporate painting-by-numbers bobbins for thickos. It's a shame as the first 4 or so series were brilliant and the story is just about enough to keep me watching until the end.

The only good bit of that episode was the bit at the end with Tormund and co.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The worst bit of it was yet another 'Jon Snow faces his people' scene. I swear we've had about 14 of these during the series. INT dining hall filled with lived-in northerners.

'I'm Jon Snow, and I know I'm a bit shit really.'
*mild anger*
'But you have to trust me.'
*silence*
'I'm a bit shit, but I'm not as shit as those fancy southern types.'
*guttural mumbles*
'So trust me to achieve this minor plot goal, and it's [insert chip-on-shoulder identity group du jour] who will benefit in the long run.'
*grudging approval*
'So are you with me?'

[Lewis]

The North should join a permanent customs union with the remaining Six Kingdoms. Problem solved.

[Alex]

The worst bit of it was yet another 'Jon Snow faces his people' scene. I swear we've had about 14 of these during the series. INT dining hall filled with lived-in northerners.

'I'm Jon Snow, and I know I'm a bit shit really.'
*mild anger*
'But you have to trust me.'
*silence*
'I'm a bit shit, but I'm not as shit as those fancy southern types.'
*guttural mumbles*
'So trust me to achieve this minor plot goal, and it's [insert chip-on-shoulder identity group du jour] who will benefit in the long run.'
*grudging approval*
'So are you with me?'

I agree that this aspect of it all is very tedious.

Wasn't a pretty pivotal moment of the last season where Jon got one of the houses (I want to say Glover?) to start following him again after they had sacked off the Battle of the Bastards? Because they've followed House Stark for a THOUSAND years, and they're very sorry for breaking their oath and so on and so forth. The head of the family publicily apologised during his "King in the North" making ceremory and eveything.

And now that exact same house won't follow him again because he's bowed to Daenerys? Literally a matter of months after apolisgising profusely for ever breaking their oath in the first place?

It's stupid. Either the oath means something or it doesn't. They're either sworn to the Starks or they're not. Ned was never a King, and nobody mugged him off because King Robert was his ultimate boss. They just trusted his judgement. It's not great writing on that front.

[phonics]

I agree that this aspect of it all is very tedious.

Wasn't a pretty pivotal moment of the last season where Jon got one of the houses (I want to say Glover?) to start following him again after they had sacked off the Battle of the Bastards? Because they've followed House Stark for a THOUSAND years, and they're very sorry for breaking their oath and so on and so forth. The head of the family publicily apologised during his "King in the North" making ceremory and eveything.

And now that exact same house won't follow him again because he's bowed to Daenerys? Literally a matter of months after apolisgising profusely for ever breaking their oath in the first place?

While largely agreeing with the sentiment, this is actually explainable. That family was the one of the little kid who ended up merked by the white walkers. They didn't break the oath a second time, they never got told to come. The white walkers are between Winterfell and the rest of the North.

[Alex]

While largely agreeing with the sentiment, this is actually explainable. That family was the one of the little kid who ended up merked by the white walkers. They didn't break the oath a second time, they never got told to come. The white walkers are between Winterfell and the rest of the North.

Are you sure? I think we might be thinking of two different houses here.

I thought the kid who got killed was the new Lord Umber, the previous one being the big, bearded bastard (whose Dad was the even more bearded bastard who got his fingers bitten off by Robb's direwolf years ago) who was Ramsay's right hand man who delivered Rickon to him. The little kid was there asking for horses and what not to bring the rest of his people to Winterfell for the fight, which was granted. The implication being (I think) that he got caught and killed at some point during the journey there and back.

Whereas the Glover's just never turned up, and I'm sure somebody (Sansa, maybe?) explained it as "they swore loyalty to the King in the North, you aren't a King anymore".

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

That was my take on the 'kid wot got merked'.

[Spikey M]

I think I'm missing a lot of what's going on, largely because I've never rewatched an episode and I've had no recap since the last season, but I have Alex right on this one.

[Boydy]

I got round to watching this tonight. I thought the episodes were meant to be longer this season?

[Spikey M]

The last 4 are 90 mins+, I think.

[Bernanke]

Episode is out.

[phonics]

The quality is horrendous though.

[Browning]

Can we fuck off all the other shit and just have 4 episodes of Tormund?

[phonics]

That was really good. Quite a few quotable moments that made you remember why you cared about these characters in the first place.

[Lewis]

GET THE CHILDREN IN THE CRYPT had better come to nothing.

[Queenslander]

Arya's sex scene was pretty uncomfortable veiwing.

[SvN]

I thought that was a very good episode. Despite not a lot progressing in terms of plot, there was so much wrapped up that meant literally anyone could die next week.

[Bernanke]

Arya's sex scene was pretty uncomfortable veiwing.

But you were fine with her slitting peoples throats and serving a pie to a man made from the flesh of his children?

[Queenslander]

But you were fine with her slitting peoples throats and serving a pie to a man made from the flesh of his children?

Yes of course.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I always find the sitting around dreading battle episodes a lot more interesting than the battles themselves. There have been a few really good ones, one way back when we first met Charles Dance, then another one in King's Landing, and this was another.

[John]

Apparently there was a huge spike in people Googling how old Maisie Williams was last night, which is all that needs said about how awkward that whole interlude was.

The Tormund actor is a genius.

[Cord]

Pretty much an episode of giving everyone a 'one day from retirement' type speech so we can be sad when they die, but with much better writing than usual. The show is just better when the secondary characters get to meet up and shoot the shit.


And yeah, that crypt got mentioned suspiciously often. Can Zombie King just raise any dead folks or do they have to be ones he's freshly killed?

[Queenslander]

Apparently there was a huge spike in people Googling how old Maisie Williams was last night, which is all that needs said about how awkward that whole interlude was.

The Tormund actor is a genius.

I googled both her age and the characters age.

[John]

If it turns out they can just raise anyone and we wind up with Ned Bean pitching up to eat the children they'll have turned everyone on the show into complete divs for no one having thought of that.

Tyrion protesting that he can fight too and reminding everyone of the fights he's been in then being told he's going in the Crypt suggests they're almost certainly heading that direction though, which will be hilarious. It'll also be funny if after having built him up so much the Night King is essentially dealt with in one episode, which he'll have to be for the Cersei shit to have any meaning at all.

I bet they wish they didn't spin their wheels quite so much in the middle seasons now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's not exactly been hurrying south has he, I'm sure there's time for another sit down and game of boggle for a couple of episodes while we watch Cersei be a bitch in King's Landing.

[Alex]

That was pretty good, in a "let's let all the actors chew the scenery one last time before we kill half of them off" sort of way.

The two best bits, by a distance, were Tormund telling everyone how he got his name and Lyanna Mormont mugging Jorah off for telling her to go wait in the crypt where it's (quite clearly not) going to be "safe". I had sort of forgotten they were from the same house, so the thought of the two of them meeting had never really occurred to me for some reason.

[Browning]

They were both good but the Hound stole it for me with the Beric line.

[randomlegend]

Theory: Dany is now so desperate for power that when she sees that the living are losing the battle, she goes over and gets walkered with the promise that she can be the Night King's Night Queen.

Jon ends up killing her.

EDIT: Also I don't really see the big deal with the Maisie Williams' sex scene. It's just nudity; she was a kid when it started but she grew up.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, the Crypt this is 100% happening. ZombieNed. :drool:

[Ian]

Surely the snow zombies are ultimately winning (though there will be escapees, obviously) the battle next week? Because as has been said, if they get defeated at this stage then what was the fucking point.

Also am I right in saying that during that whole 'let's talk about this battle bit' nobody mentioned the dragons (either goodie dragons or ice dragon) even sodding once?

Really good episode on the whole though. Dragonwoman continues to be absolutely insufferable but everybody else was good.

[Spikey M]

Why does this 'she's a good woman' shit persist? She's been a vicious thundercunt for a series and a bit now, and Tyrion and Johnny 2 names are bright enough to see it.

[phonics]

Surely the snow zombies are ultimately winning (though there will be escapees, obviously) the battle next week? Because as has been said, if they get defeated at this stage then what was the fucking point.

Also am I right in saying that during that whole 'let's talk about this battle bit' nobody mentioned the dragons (either goodie dragons or ice dragon) even sodding once?

Really good episode on the whole though. Dragonwoman continues to be absolutely insufferable but everybody else was good.

They were brought up at the tactics thing when someone asked Brann if the Night King is affected by fire and he said no one had ever tried.

[Ian]

Yeah but I'd have thought "We could murder a load of cunts with dragon assaults" or "Holy shit what if their dragon murders a load of our cunts?" might have come up.


Why does this 'she's a good woman' shit persist? She's been a vicious thundercunt for a series and a bit now, and Tyrion and Johnny 2 names are bright enough to see it.

She's a fucking nightmare. She's little better than Cersei and when she flips her lid she's got a couple of WMDs that think she's their mum.

[mugbull]

I’ve maintained for years, to the derision of all my friends, that Arya is the hottest one in the entire show.

The actress is my age before anyone starts with that

[Spikey M]

That's 2 of your Googlers identified John.

[mugbull]

I know her birthday by heart. Don’t try me.

[Ian]

Also of all the people who may be in with a shout of carking it I've put Brienne at the top of my list given how happy she was in her knighthood scene.

[mugbull]

Theon and Brienne are certain goners for next episode. Tyrion and Arya are outside bets with a shot.

[Lewis]

That this has come three episodes in makes me think it will all proceed rather conventionally from here. They will just about beat the Jocks (probably lose a dragon doing so), but then the Golden Company will turn face to stop the knobheads finishing them off.

[mugbull]

It’s pretty obvious they’ll lose Winterfell next episode, the survivors retreat to King’s Landing, endure a reckoning with Cersei, and then stave them off there and eventually retake Winterfell

[Spikey M]

By my measure, there's 6 left, 4 of which are double episodes(?) So, say 10 hours? In that time they need to sort out the Whites (don't we all?), have some kind of show down between 'John and Dany' and sort Cersei out. They really should get motoring.

[John]

Four left, and I think only two are doubles.

[Spikey M]

I thought it was 8 episodes? Fuck. I've no idea how they wrap this up in 6 hours.

[Browning]

“Doubles” seemingly means 80 minutes as opposed to just under 60, but there are essentially 3 of those (78,80 and 80 for the last 3).

[Lewis]

It will be pretty lol if they polish the zombies off in an hour and they were just a means to an end - getting Team Boring together - all along.

[Ian]

If it does then it presumably means that in the books that are now probably never getting written Big George had plans for them to spend even more time farting about doing fuck all.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't know what Cersei is playing at. Does she just think the zombies are overrated or what? Bit of a gamble.

[Spikey M]

She's a politician. Short-termism is what they do.

[Kikó]

Good episode that - loved the awkward side boob and all.

Surely this battle can't end in one episode like every other and it spans a few with some secret weapon being unleashed (like Bran running over the white walkers in his Wheely).

I like the Blond bore turning evil dead. That would be brilliant.

[phonics]

What happened to the Melisandre by the way? I remember her turning into some old thing a while ago but nothing after that. I didn't remember any of the Gendry rape stuff either tbf.

[randomlegend]

That's 2 of your Googlers identified John.

I can't understand why anyone would be googling it. Given they were allowed to do that scene she has to be over 18 which is surely all that's relevant.

[Spikey M]

What happened to the Melisandre by the way? I remember her turning into some old thing a while ago but nothing after that. I didn't remember any of the Gendry rape stuff either tbf.

I'm having a nightmare remembering half of this shit. It took me a while to remember why Theon and Sansa were all cosy together. How I managed to forget Ramsay is beyond me.

[phonics]

I'm having a nightmare remembering half of this shit. It took me a while to remember why Theon and Sansa were all cosy together. How I managed to forget Ramsay is beyond me.

I saw a tweet the other week that said something like 'Isn't it weird that we've all dedicated 7 seasons to this show where we can only name half the characters in any one scene'

It took me ages to realise that fat kid was Podrick from about 4 years ago.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm slightly worried that they wouldn't be setting up the storylines of Moron, Boron and Hardon Greyjoy unless the Iron Islands/their ships don't have a crucial role to play at some point. We've got this far and I still don't know why any of them are in the plot.

[Spikey M]

I saw a tweet the other week that said something like 'Isn't it weird that we've all dedicated 7 seasons to this show where we can only name half the characters in any one scene'

It took me ages to realise that fat kid was Podrick from about 4 years ago.

I think my main issue is that I've watched it all exactly once. If it doesn't 'Lost' me, I may start the thing from scratch when it all finishes. I will have missed so much of the main storyline, nevermind the subtext.

[Bernanke]

What happened to the Melisandre by the way? I remember her turning into some old thing a while ago but nothing after that. I didn't remember any of the Gendry rape stuff either tbf.

She was banished by Jon and then had that talk with Varys that she'd return because they were both destined to "die in this land". So I'm sure she'll show up with the Riders of Rohan in the next episode, donning all white.

The one scene that really puzzles me at the moment is Bronn getting the crossbow. Yeah, sure, the Iron Islands might get a pay-off, but that one really should get one, I just can't for the life of me figure out how it could play out. Is he pissed at either Tyrion or Jaime?

[phonics]

He'll aim at one of them during the battle, bottle it at the last minute and save them from certain death. The whole show has been people eventually deciding that money and riches aren't more important than people they care about or dying.

[Raoul Duke]

Do Team Incest even know the zombies have a zombie dragon?

[phonics]

Pretty sure Brann mentioned that last episode.

[Ian]

Is the Night King meant to be properly sentient or is he a sort-of-sentient, force-of-nature type fella?

Just wondering given they were asking where he is / what his plan is whether he could be taking his dragon and another load of dead chaps down to Kings Landing and attack both at the same time. I mean 20000 Golden Company chaps is a lot of cannon fodder for them to murder their way through while they wait for the survivors of Winterfell to rock up.

[Byron]

Likewise, I thought that was a good episode. I think Grey Worm is nailed on for death seeing as he had his 'when this is over let's go and retire somewhere' conversion. Lyanna continues to steal every little scene she's in and if there isn't a Tormund - Briennne sex scene that makes 50 Shades of Grey look like 70's softcore I'll be disappointed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think the idea with the Night King is we don't know anything about him, except his predilection for a relaxed pace of advance. Perhaps we'll find out more about him in the remaining episodes, or perhaps we won't.

Also I have only realised in this episode why so much screen time has been wasted on Grey Worm / Missandei in the last few series - they are the only 'POC'.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Might be overthinking it but I'd have thought the episode would have finished with a shot of the Night King with all his ZZ Top mates. Is his absence from the shot telling?

Surely there's no fucking way it just ends at Winterfell then they all march South to off Cersei and take the iron throne?

[John]

Do Team Incest even know the zombies have a zombie dragon?

The Three Eyed Dickhead mentioned it, and the lads who were still at the wall when it fell saw it, some of whom are now at Winterfell.

[Spikey M]

I was going to say 'They know he can raise the dead, so obviously they know he'll have done it to the dragon', but they've just stashed their kids in a fucking crypt, so who knows if they would have worked it out.

[Kikó]

I've read the undead stark might pop up to protect the crypt cowards. Also, the white night going to destroy the fleet and pillaging/marrying Cersai.

[-james-]

Everyone in the crypts is dead as fuck.

[Raoul Duke]

The Three Eyed Dickhead mentioned it, and the lads who were still at the wall when it fell saw it, some of whom are now at Winterfell.

If they know about it, then shouldn't they be thinking up some kind of anti-dragon defences? Massive crossbows or something. They didn't mention it at all.

Then again, it's similar for the Night King. Not sure densely packing infantry into neat rows is the best idea when your opposition have aerial flamethrowers flapping about :sorry:

[SvN]

I assume their anti-dragon defence is their dragons.

[randomlegend]

I assume their anti-dragon defence is the Night Cunt lobbing pointy sticks at them, given he drove off two or three (I forget) on his own with that tactic previously, killing one in the process.

[Adamski]

This is a pretty interesting theory - makes sense on a number of levels.

https://thehooksite.com/heres-the-terrifying-reason-why-the-night-king-wont-be-at-the-battle-of-winterfell/

[Ian]

Yeah I pondered that upthread, albeit with less words/ detail. It would probably help solve the problem where if Team Zombie lose this it's an anticlimax but if they win it feels like there's not enough time to deal with that AND Kings Landing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

As soon as we didn't see him in the closing shot I thought the same. RIP Cersei.

[randomlegend]

Can zombie mountain be white-walkered since he's already sort of dead?

[Browning]

There’s surely no way Cersei dies without Jaime being involved?

[phonics]

There’s surely no way Cersei dies without Jaime being involved?

He kills the dead version.

[Disco]

Book knob here: I've sort of assumed they're more of a curse on humanity than a force with any real purpose beyond eating everyone's faces off. It would also make sense to be able to break the spell or turn them all off in some way rather than having to defeat them militarily which seems a bit far fetched after this many years of constantly murdering everyone.

[phonics]

My thought was it might be the old gods way of taking the world back from the children of whatever they were. It's been far too long for me to remember who was who in the origins.

[Disco]

Yeah, that sort if thing would work quite well.

[Lewis]

Is there any Red Woman pay-off expected? Because there ought to be, given that it has proven itself to be the actually true religion.

[SvN]

She definitely has a part to play.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They wouldn't have brought back Berwick Dondarrion if the lord of light wasn't going to get involved.

Is the prophecy bollocks in the TV show at all? I really can't remember.

[Browning]

Certainly the three children who all die bit was, but I’m not sure the other half was in the show.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm thinking about the promised prince waving the flaming sword thing. It's big news in the book but really can't remember if it's in the programme, and given they haven't shouted it in the first two episodes here I presume it isn't.

[John]

Melisandre mentioned The Prince Who Was Promised every time she appeared for about three years. The flaming sword has come up as well, away from Beric having one.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Not being as into tits as some, I tended to zone out whenever she came on screen.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I like to think The Hound beating Beric in his trial by combat might have some higher meaning too given that's exactly what Beric bleated on about.

[Raoul Duke]

Seeing as they just don't have the numbers to win versus The Zombies, surely the only silver bullet solution to the ending is Jon Snow/Tyrion/someone versus the Night King which then killswitches the whole lot?

[phonics]

Yes that’s literally the key point that they discuss in the battle tactics scene...

[Mazuuurk]

This season has peaked already with that Tormund scene.

I cannot fathom they will do anything better than that.

[Mazuuurk]

BTW I reckon we'll see Ghost die soon enough ( :( ) as he was standing around in the background in one of the shots in the last episode and I don't think he's been pictured at all in like the last 2-3 seasons or something.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I had decided just before the first episode came out to wait until the season had finished and then just binge.

However, adverts for tonight's episode has made me cave and I just watched the first two.

Tormund on the second was fucking amazing and probably at his best. The story of how he was named 'Giantsbane' was fucking fantastic.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I had decided just before the first episode came out to wait until the season had finished and then just binge.

However, adverts for tonight's episode has made me cave and I just watched the first two.

Tormund on the second was fucking amazing and probably at his best. The story of how he was named 'Giantsbane' was fucking fantastic.

I vaguely recognised some of it, it's touched on here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zxEd01Qyx4

All the History and Lore videos are worth a listen.

[mugbull]

That was so fucking easy lmao.

[Bernanke]

Show just went full anime.

https://i.imgur.com/Pf89uAi.jpg

[phonics]

Must be pretty easy to make the longest battle scene ever when your draw distance is about a foot infront of every actor.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That was largely quite well done tbh, except for the standard inability to suspend one's disbelief about the ability of named characters to survive.

[mugbull]

One of the tropes in Tv/movies that pisses me off the most is the 1 on 1 where the hero is incapacitated or without weapon and the fully weaponized enemy is inching towards them (despite being in the midst of a raging battle) and drawing their sword in extra slow motion before being killed in the back moments before striking the blow. The hero is saved. Sheesh. That happened about 10 times in the last episode.

Or the initial Arya scene where she’s gratuitously whirling her shit around her head while fending off like 10 wights, Jackie Chan style.

On the plus side, the cinematography was brilliant and properly scary.

[Spikey M]

I thought that was a load of shit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Also, the end was basically:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RFwflbMo2c

[phonics]

I thought it was surprisingly engaging considering I can't sit through 98% of films without dying of boredom.

Nightking got owned hard though.

[mugbull]

I didn’t realize that their entire army would immediately die forever if he was killed. I thought would just disperse or something. That’s a pretty big design flaw if you ask me.

[Spikey M]

Lyanna's death scene was pretty good, but aside from that it was a load of Battle Scene Cliche bollocks, and the way The Night King died, after surviving a fucking dragon to the face, was a massive anti-climax.

[Ian]

I have super mixed feelings about that. It was good. Not great, but good. The Bran / Night King stuff was a massive anticlimax and while I thought they did a grand job of making the snow zombies legitimately horrific to be under attack from that they've lost so soon after spending however many seasons doing the square root of fuck was also an anticlimax.

As a big, grim battle sequence to make the walkers look like an unstoppable nightmare it did the job in the same way that Hardhome did but I don't really see why we couldn't have had a little more of this (and maybe show his imperviousness to dragonfire before now too) and then their eventual defeat would have been a bit more cathartic. Arya Nightcrawler-ing in and then her shanking him was nifty but his death itself just sort of had me going "oh, right."


That was largely quite well done tbh, except for the standard inability to suspend one's disbelief about the ability of named characters to survive.

Yeah a number of them had their dragonglass plot armour on.

[Byron]

I enjoyed that thoroughly but I will readily admit that I seem to have a supernatural ability to suspend all disbelief, no matter how ludicrous things get.

As things stand that was basically World War Z, GoT style.

They could have done things better with the plot armour as well. I lost count of how many times Brienne, Jamie, Pod, Sandor, Grey Worm and Sam should have died. In all honesty they probably all should have except Jamie (plot isn't done with him) and Sandor (CLEGANEBOWL)

That said, if there was a way to do a truly apocalyptic battle then that was it.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Surely there's no fucking way it just ends at Winterfell then they all march South to off Cersei and take the iron throne?

I enjoyed that a lot right up until this was confirmed. To finish that in one episode after building it up for so long can't be anything but disappointing.

Seeing the Night King come out of the dragon fire was setting it all up too.

[Spikey M]

I think part of my problem with it is that nobody I really care about died.

Theon was alright, although he's at his best being a shrinking little pussy, not a hero, and Ser Jorah of Friendzonia finally getting some affection should have been good, but I hate Lady Dragon Cunt so much that I can't see past it. Eddison has been pissing me off since his inception because I simply cannot tell him and Bronn apart, and I don't really know why.

I don't know, I just feel a bit let down that I haven't had the chance to scream at the TV as Tyrion dies to protect Sansa or Samwell does to protect his Mrs. Give me something to feel feelings over.

[phonics]

People don't have to die for there to be emotional weight. I do worry about a distinct lack of survivors guilt considering how few of the people who interacted with each other died. I guess at this point it's just the set-up to watch them die in the battle with Cersei now the Lord of Light has no need for humans again.

[Byron]

If you didn't feel when Lyanna died taking down a giant then you have a heart of stone.

When Cersei is curb stomped, she should get a statue on every street in King's Landing.

[Spikey M]

In a battle scene like that, I disagree. Someone of significant weight has to go or it's just a bit of a nothing battle.

[Spikey M]

If you didn't feel when Lyanna died taking down a giant then you have a heart of stone.

When Cersei is curb stomped, she should get a statue on every street in King's Landing.

I said in my previous post that that was one of the few 'good' moments, but she gets about 20 minutes a series, she's hardly a big gun.

[Alex]

I thought it was mostly really good. My only major complaint is Jon was wasted for the vast majority of the episode because he was faffing around on the dragon (doing very little, I might add) with that boring cow.

I really thought the Night King was going to kneel in front of Bran and confirm a lot of those "Bran will be the bad guy" theories that people seem to have. To the point where I thought he was just going to choke Arya out when he caught her, so I did think it was pretty cool when she caught the knife and did him in.

I liked how it switched from large scale, sweeping battle shots to close quarter, horror movie style suspense half way through. Arya hiding from them inside Winterfell was legitimately pretty creepy. Maisie Williams really sold it with the acting too. Arya is hardly ever scared, so seeing her petrified really upped the ante.

Lyanna was definitely the saddest death. :(

The rest of them did surprisingly little for me, actually. Beric and Edd where always cannon fodder. The Red Lady has been on borrowed time ever since we found out she was actually about a thousand years old. And Theon and Jorah were always going to die in some sort of "redemption" arc.

So Lyanna ended up being the only one that actually shocked me. The way she went out was really cool though. :cool:

[Spikey M]

Actually, on the subject of the Night King, are we legitimately leaving it there? No explanation? No understanding of why Branphen Hawking was important beyond being able to possess birds? It's just a giant 'it just happened because'?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It was a good episode and I liked the drop/catch knife thing but I'm really annoyed that they got done in one episode.

All this build up to them being unstoppable and they didn't even need a whole story night. Does this also mean that winter is now cancelled?

Also, I'm SEETHING that we didn't get a zombie Ned.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Actually, on the subject of the Night King, are we legitimately leaving it there? No explanation? No understanding of why Branphen Hawking was important beyond being able to possess birds? It's just a giant 'it just happened because'?

He's important because he's THE THREE EYED RAVEN, who is for some reason mortal enemy of The Night King.

[Disco]

So the head zombo just gets stabbed up? Lol, does Bran actually do anything useful at all in the entire series?

[Spikey M]

So the head zombo just gets stabbed up? Lol, does Bran actually do anything useful at all in the entire series?

Other than being the block of cheese under a box supported by a stick, you mean?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He can WARG, MATE.

He also got Hodor (hold the door) killed as well, the fanny.

[Disco]

He can WARG, MATE.

He also got Hodor (hold the door) killed as well, the fanny.

That's the only thing in his favour, he'd have come out even if he'd gotten rid of Fat Sam too.

[Spikey M]

Oh no you ditent.

[Mike]

Flippin’ eck!

Hope they have the next battle in the day time

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's the only thing in his favour, he'd have come out even if he'd gotten rid of Fat Sam too.

You scumbag.

[Alex]

He can WARG, MATE.

He also got Hodor (hold the door) killed as well, the fanny.

He is fucking useless, when you think about it. Considering the level of power he’s meant to have.

Obviously he helped unravel the truth of Jon’s parentage, but even then Sam helped him. And he couldn’t even be arsed to tell Jon himself. He got Sam to do it.

The only time he’s ever actually used his “I can see everything that’s ever happened to anybody” shit to directly address somebodies situation, that I can think of, is to remind his sister of the time she got raped on her wedding night. Fucking oddball.

I hope Jaime chucks him back out of that tower window next week and finishes the job.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He is fucking useless, when you think about it. Considering the level of power he’s meant to have.

Obviously he helped unravel the truth of Jon’s parentage, but even then Sam helped him. And he couldn’t even be arsed to tell Jon himself. He got Sam to do it.

The only time he’s ever actually used his “I can see everything that’s ever happened to anybody” shit to directly address somebodies situation, that I can think of, is to remind his sister of the time she got raped on her wedding night. Fucking oddball.

I hope Jaime chucks him back out of that tower window next week and finishes the job.

Sam had found it out anyway, no? He found the GoT equivalent of a marriage certificate in The Citadel.

The only thing I can thing of that his 'skills' helped with is unravelling all the lies of O'Littlefinger.

[Mazuuurk]

Actually, on the subject of the Night King, are we legitimately leaving it there? No explanation? No understanding of why Branphen Hawking was important beyond being able to possess birds? It's just a giant 'it just happened because'?

I struggle with this whole concept a bit in general with the series. You never got an explanation about how the dragon eggs sort of just shows up as a gift one day, why Denearys is impervious to fire, who the hell that Red Woman is and why she knows magic, in fact why some people are randomly magical, what the hell Valyria really was and why their steel kills White Walkers, etc.

But at the same time, I suppose thats how the books are as well (whether that's good or bad). Magic sort of just is something that is around, but not that much, and not ever really ever explained by anyone.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Did either Gendry or Pod die? I'm sure I saw one of them being lobbed off the battlements at one point, but couldn't be sure.

[Ian]

Oh, I meant to say that Dragon getting swarmed by zombies was really cool but all I could think was "For fuck's sake Dragonwoman you're about to lose another one."

[Cord]

I thought that was a great first half or so with some very tense scenes at the beginning, but it was verging on a slog towards the end. Possibly a bit too long on the grim 'everyone is fucked' bit and then quite a rushed conclusion. The quick stab and it's over inevitably felt a little anticlimactic after the zombies having been built up since literally the first scene, but I think actually I'm quite glad the conclusion will be a scrap between the living characters. Who'd have thought Cersei would get the big bad spot over the zombie tide at the beginning?

[Spikey M]

Speaking of Cersei, there's about 8 people left to fight her.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I struggle with this whole concept a bit in general with the series. You never got an explanation about how the dragon eggs sort of just shows up as a gift one day, why Denearys is impervious to fire, who the hell that Red Woman is and why she knows magic, in fact why some people are randomly magical, what the hell Valyria really was and why their steel kills White Walkers, etc.

But at the same time, I suppose thats how the books are as well (whether that's good or bad). Magic sort of just is something that is around, but not that much, and not ever really ever explained by anyone.

Dragon eggs were a wedding gift from a fat merchant in Pentos who wants to see the Targareyen's back on the throne. Dragon eggs turned to stone (because I guess) a long time ago but they're apparently still very expensive as they're rare and beautiful.

The killer of scenes is impervious to fire because she's a Targareyen and they have dragon blood going through their veins. I'm not sure if this is something that all of them have or what, it's weak as shit. She could also take REALLY HOT bathes without getting scolded.

The Red Woman is a Priestess for the Lord of Light. It seems that all Red Priestesses/Priests (Thoros revived Beric like 20 times) have magic of some kind which is said to be a gift from THE LORD HIMSELF.

Valyrian steel was made in the now destroyed city of Valyria due to a volcano. It's a special forged metal (which only they knew how to make) and is supposedly made using dragonfire and/or a load of spells. No one knew that it could destroy the White Walkers until, IIRC, Jon Snow killed one with Longclaw. I assume it kills them because it is indeed made using dragonfire.

[Browning]

I thought it was ok but ruined by what was said on the previous page. Them doing in the night king and then going to Cersei was the most predictable thing they could do.

The little bear is a hero. She was once again the highlight.

Oh and zombie Ned was never on unless he was going to carry his own head around.

Also what the fuck was that “moment” between Tyrion and Sansa about?

[Disco]

That crypt is full of bones and nothing else, so short of a re-creation of that bit from Sinbad nothing was happening there.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I thought it was ok but ruined by what was said on the previous page. Them doing in the night king and then going to Cersei was the most predictable thing they could do.

The little bear is a hero. She was once again the highlight.

Oh and zombie Ned was never on unless he was going to carry his own head around.

Also what the fuck was that “moment” between Tyrion and Sansa about?

I genuinely thought that they were going to end it all on their own terms.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Lack of suicides was a definite weakness, the whole place would have been doing themselves in under those circumstances.

[phonics]

I wanted to see how angry the nerds were so checked a subreddit and saw this:

The White Walkers' mission: We learned in Season 6 that the Children of the Forest created the Night King, and thereby the White Walkers and wights, to help with their war against the First Men. We learned in the previous episode that the Night King specifically wanted to kill the Three-Eyed Raven to erase the memory of humanity. If you were expecting the show to give us more of their backstory than that, and maybe even attempt to subvert our

What? When?

[Kikó]

Surely bran and the wondering raven shot surely must be eluding to something more. I don't think it's the last we see of the night king.

[Bernanke]

I wanted to see how angry the nerds were so checked a subreddit and saw this:

The White Walkers' mission: We learned in Season 6 that the Children of the Forest created the Night King, and thereby the White Walkers and wights, to help with their war against the First Men. We learned in the previous episode that the Night King specifically wanted to kill the Three-Eyed Raven to erase the memory of humanity. If you were expecting the show to give us more of their backstory than that, and maybe even attempt to subvert our

What? When?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgZFBy0zF50

[Jimmy Floyd]

I thought it was pure scene bridging to take us up to the sky to meet Night King making a leisurely dash back from the bookies.

I thought the distant blue sky in the end scenes indicated that he's done for. I guess his death was apt in that he brought it upon himself by just standing around doing nothing for ages.

[Boydy]

Surely bran and the wondering raven shot surely must be eluding to something more. I don't think it's the last we see of the night king.

Cersei makes another one in a desperate bid to keep the throne.

[Kikó]

I thought it was pure scene bridging to take us up to the sky to meet Night King making a leisurely dash back from the bookies.

I thought the distant blue sky in the end scenes indicated that he's done for. I guess his death was apt in that he brought it upon himself by just standing around doing nothing for ages.

Even at the end he just strolled up and then went to give a slap. Deserved it imo.

[Lewis]

Jon Snow has devised two major battle plans and royally fucked them both up. He is an absolute liability.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I liked them sacrificing thousands of Dothraki just to find out where the buggers were.

[Gray Fox]

That his massive plan was foiled by a bit of winter, in the winter he's been telling everyone has been coming, was facepalm worthy.

[Lewis]

No proper Red Woman pay-off either. Turned up to light two pointless fires. Cheers love. Mind how you go.

[SvN]

Ayra wouldn't have killed the Night King if he wasn't for her.

[Lewis]

Probably for the best.

[phonics]

Pretty cool finding out that every bird that exists in this universe has a better sense of direction than a dragon though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Does this mean there is no Azor Ahai? Is it Arya?

Or, more than likely, it doesn't even matter because they've forgotten about that whole bit?

[phonics]

It never came up in the show really.

[John]

It never came up in the show really.

It came up to some extent every time The Red Woman appeared for about four years.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It never came up in the show really.

Did you even watch it?

[Boydy]

How did Arya get to the Night King? Is she meant to have done her face-switching thing as one of the White Walkers or what?

[John]

How did Arya get to the Night King? Is she meant to have done her face-switching thing as one of the White Walkers or what?

I reckon if that was the intention they'd have spent a few of their eleventy billion quid on showing it. She either teleported, which is hardly without precedent on this, or she got into that area beforehand and hid somewhere, which is the most likely explanation as it justifies the otherwise pointless Jurassic Park scene from earlier.

All they'd have to do to fix that scene, and thus improve both the entire climax of that plot and retroactively justify two years of pissing about, is have her come through the fog disguised as either a White Walker, or more likely one of the recently raised dead from the battlefield, morphing back into Arya as she went. The Night King realises and turns to grab her as she fullyl becomes Arya again, and then her nifty little dagger move from the Brienne fight does him in. It might have broken a few of her god's rules, but it would have been less jarring than having a thousands of years old military general who can lob a javelin a mile into the air with perfect accuracy get outsmarted by a little girl with a few years of combat training. At least then there would have been some element of well established divine intervention involved. Other than the resurrections of Jon Snow and Berric, the former to unite everyone and the latter apparently being so resistant to stabbing that he was worth bringing back twenty odd times to 'hold the door' for Arya to escape, the two deities known to have actual power have so far been entirely irrelevant to the conclusion.

[John]

Also, how fucking pointless did the Dothraki wind up being? They annihilated a Lannister/Tarly army which narratively outnumbered them, with very little effort, after which Jaime was ready to give up the fight long before he knew anything about Arnold Freeze marching South. So after the Eater of Scenery got the dragon eggs as a result of her marriage to Drogo, what was the fucking point? All that time spent with her being recaptured, retaking control after a few episodes in Vaes Dothrak arguing with a swarthy rapist, and trying to get her hands on enough ships that they could all bring their horses with them, just for the sake of the quality visual of their flaming swords gradually being snuffed out.

[Dan]

That was lol.

Eight seasons of build up & the wights get beaten in an evening. Speaking of which, the whole episode was pretty much 'dark, person looking thing with dark clothes & dark hair seems to be attacking dark, person looking thing with dark clothes & dark hair in the shadows at night while the camera swings around like the operator's trying to learn how to rollerblade while filming'. Bran's shit, the most notable death in the biggest battle in the entire series was a child & the crypt stuff was pretty much pointless.

I hope Cersei slaughters them all now. Preferably in the fucking daytime.

[Mazuuurk]

Thought about this a bit and I well reckon it’ll be probably Sansa ending up on the throne, maybe with Tyrion? I cant see it being either Denearys or Jon, because of how big a deal they’ve been making about how incest isnt the best for the rulers, or Cersei either just cause shes been at it for so long now. Also, I read Martin had initially called his final book (project) ’A time for wolves’ before he changed it to ’Dreams of spring’. What with Jon only being half a wolf that seems to rule him out as well. Arya isnt leader material and Brans a weirdo so that leaves Sansa.

[mugbull]

Well that would be disappointing

[Spikey M]

Why? It doesn't get more disappointing than 'Dany' and/or Jon being there. I mean, Sansa probably deserves it on acting ability alone.

[-james-]

Yeah I think it'll be Sansa. Wummin seem to be doing well this season, and she's got the strongest narrative.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I thought Gendry before this season but I think it's geared towards Sansa now.

[Nick]

Gendry was a good left field option, but I don't think they've given the character enough screen time/back story (other than actually being Robert Baratheon's bastard) for it to happen. I think they'll go with someone more obvious.

[Boydy]

Cersei makes another one in a desperate bid to keep the throne.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-8-white-walkers-night-king-spoilers-theories-a8899301.html

:sherlock:

[John]

That's a bit of a desperate reach for a headline.

[Nick]

If it's in anything other than a flashback, we riot.

[Gray Fox]

Assuming there are none of the Children of the Forest left, isn't Bran the only one who knows how?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yes.

A heel turn for Bran the Boring might make his character a touch more interesting.

[Boydy]

Assuming there are none of the Children of the Forest left, isn't Bran the only one who knows how?

Do we know for sure?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Do we know for sure?

They were seemingly wiped out when The Night King went after Bran and the former Three Eyed Raven.

[John]

Given they created the Night King to help them fight humans and wound up on the humans' side when he went rogue, if there are any left they'd be idiots to create another one.

[Boydy]

Qyburn might be able to do. He's always up to some dodgy shit.

[Boydy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VetyHT-rZx0

Was looking up this clip last night to support my Qyburn makes another Night King theory and this comment:

http://i63.tinypic.com/33cvf2v.jpg

:D

[mugbull]

Why? It doesn't get more disappointing than 'Dany' and/or Jon being there. I mean, Sansa probably deserves it on acting ability alone.

I have the same hatred for Sansa that you seem to have for Dany, can’t stand her or anything she does. Maybe it’s because she’s so tall for a woman

[Boydy]

Do you hate Brienne?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He vomits a little in his mouth every time she's on screen.

[mugbull]

I’m pretty neutral about Brienne, though she should have died last episode

[Boydy]

I'd eat that ass standing up. :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That is your worst post.

[Ian]

How did that fleet of dragon-murdering crossbow-boats have a sight on her and she didn't see them?

Fucking hell, she's shit.

[Gray Fox]

But they were partially hidden by some rocks.

[Ian]

Fingers crossed for the Dragon Woman heel turn though.

Not feeling good about Varys' chances but here's hoping he gets the job done. :drool:

[randomlegend]

"Which one of you cowards shit my pants" :D

[Bernanke]

How did that fleet of dragon-murdering crossbow-boats have a sight on her and she didn't see them?

Fucking hell, she's shit.

The reason is actually incredibly clever from D&D.

https://i.imgur.com/EnMRZhm.png

[randomlegend]

Yeah I mean tbh I was willing to give some BOTD with The Long Night, but that last episode was just straight up retarded.

[Nick]

I expected Varys to turn on her about three episodes ago. Can't help but feel he's leaving it a little late. That said, with Sansa clearly onboard, shit could go south pretty quickly for Danaerys. I still think 'Dany' is gonna try and off Jon Snow at some point too. Her only focus is the iron throne and he complicates that a bit!

[Cord]

But they were partially hidden by some rocks.

I assume that the chaps in the castle didn't see them because Dany had literally taken everyone with her and locked the place up and left a light on in the landing like you do when you go on holiday.

I think it was OK, set the ending up alright what with all the tension and that. The last few seasons are still entertaining, but it's all a bit surface. Just rushing from one set piece to another so you can off some more of the characters you've got to get rid of before the end.

Also nice of the show to come out so clearly in support of the character building nature of rape. They really could worded that better.

[Gray Fox]

The biggest travesty of this episode was Ghost not getting pet before Jon left. Heartless bastard.

'Dany' is now in a very bad spot. The only actual ally she seems to have left is the one dragon she still rides. Tyrion is clearly more than a little divided and everyone else is only with her to see Cersei dead.

[Kikó]

The episode in general was ok but again, the strategy was mental. Even that face off at the end, either side can just butcher the other (depending on how you fancy the dragons chances) yet they just stare at each other from 50 yards.

I'm rooting for the night king to return and kill them all.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why would Cersei not just sort them all out from the ramparts? Keith the dragon didn't appear to be anywhere in sight.

[Ian]

He was in the distance behind them, wasn't he? But I do agree that it made little sense for them not to take some pot shots at them if Dragon Woman is too terrified of losing yet another fucking dragon.

[randomlegend]

Why would Cersei not just sort them all out from the ramparts? Keith the dragon didn't appear to be anywhere in sight.

There was so much dumb shit to be honest.

Only one dragon in history has ever been taken out by a projectile whilst airborne and that was by a shot through the eye. Until Euron comes along and does Rhaegar through the chest and neck from a fucking mile away, with perfect accuracy, without being seen, FROM A FUCKING BOAT. No such thing as recoil. No such thing as time taken to reload. No such thing as aiming from a boat being fucking impossible.

Then Daenerys Tardgaryen goes charging right fucking at them and they all miss. ?????????????? You're on a dragon, even if you are a blind cunt just fly round the back/directly above them and torch the fleet.

Cersei respecting parlay despite the fact she's a psycho, we're in the end game and she could literally have wiped all her enemies + the dragon out in under 30 seconds if she'd given the order.

Bronn being able to instantly reload the crossbow after he fired a bolt into the wall - in a show with the line "I always hated crossbows. Take too long to load".

Jon not giving ghost a cuddle.

Etc.

[Nick]

Add the fact they built up the scene in the weirwood, where Jon is going to tell Sansa and Arya about his parentage and then they cut without warning to Bronn rocking up unseen out of nowhere. Massive cop-out.

[mugbull]

I thought this episode was way better than the last. The Iron Fleet ambushing everyone unexpectedly was the first realistic outcome to any event this season

[Spikey M]

Much better than the last episode, but I am still getting annoyed at how unrelentingly thick everyone seems to be. How on earth are the greatest brains on the show only now starting to question whether 'Dany' might actually be a bit of a murderous, self serving cunt?

RL has covered the rest of my gripes, especially Dragon Mummy managing to get blind sided by a fucking naval fleet, when, presumably, she's up there for a fucking Dragon-eye view. The Super-Bow nailing moving objects with ease and Cersei not just mowing down the lot of them as they stood out in the open 100 feet away.

Oh, and Ghost deserves better, Snow, you Cunt.

Oh (part 2), what the fuck does Brienne think she's doing breaking my mans heart? And for that fucking Spice Boy? I hope her arse chokes on Boyd's tongue.

[Spikey M]

Add the fact they built up the scene in the weirwood, where Jon is going to tell Sansa and Arya about his parentage and then they cut without warning to Bronn rocking up unseen out of nowhere. Massive cop-out.

The whole show has suffered by the lack of Bronn. What a man.

[Alex]

I thought it was pretty rubbish this week. It feel a bit like it's descended into a mixture of fan-service and bad writing. The only really good bits were Varys and Tyrion coming to terms with what a crazy bitch she's turning into. I hope they get shut of her.

My least favourite bit of it all was the Bronn scene, probably. It was just really daft. First of all, I don't believe Bronn would have done that. I get that he's motivated, to some extent, by money. But based on has past relationship with Tyrion alone he would never have walked into that room threatening them with that crossbow.

Am I honestly to believe the same Bronn who said goodbye to Tyrion in that cell before his trial by combat, or survived the trip to Dorne and back with Jaime, would act that way with either of them on the basis of an offer made by their batshit crazy sister? They've made him an absolute caricature of himself.

Secondly, Highgarden? Fuck off. Oh, he's waved a crossbow at us for a bit so we better offer him the keys to one of the best castles in the world? Get a grip. You would just have him killed the moment he left the building if that's what it was actually going to take to satisfy him.

Other bits that I thought were shit:

- Jon's unusually over the top goodbye to Sam (even though he's really no reason to believe he won't see him again in a few months time), especially when juxtaposed with his complete disregard for sending Ghost off beyond the wall forever. He also delivered his speech at the beginning in a really weird, spazzy attempt at a "leader" voice. I don't know if anybody else picked up on that. :D

- Jaimie and Brienne briefly getting together before he just upped and left. That was the biggest "fan service" bit, for me. For all his character development, I really don't see Jaime as ever looking at Brienne that way. It’s like a reverse version of the geeky kid with the glasses getting off with the popular girl in a bad teen movie. I did like his speech when he fucked off and left her though.

- The longest kept secret in Westeros history (Jon's parentage) becoming the worst kept one in the space of about half an hour, despite lot's and lots of "promise me you won't tell anyone!" requests in the lead up to it.

- Daenerys somehow just not seeing the Iron Fleet even though she was flying around overhead. Or, more generally, apparently just forgetting it exists at all. Why would you put a load of your most important people on boats and decide to go to Dragonstone when you know Cersei has the well-documented "biggest fleet of ships the world has ever seen!" at her command. The sea is literally the one place where they can be 100% sure they definitely don’t have the advantage and, to cap it off, the one person they’ve got (Davos) with some actual, seafaring experience? Yeah, we’ve left him on dry land. :rolleyes:

- Cersei not just skewering the last dragon to death there and then outside King's Landing. It was just ligging about behind the fifteen Unsullied she brought with her, asking for it. Kill that fucker and you've won. She could have taken the rest of them out there and then while she was at it. We're talking about a women who blew up their equivalent of Westminister Abbey while everyone was inside here, she doesn't care about the perceived rights and wrongs of things.

[John]

Yeah, that was bobbins. I've lost interest in whatever ending they concoct now, since it's obviously going to be badly written tosh.

[Kikó]

You sum it up well tbh Alex. They've fucked a lot of character arcs to rush through longer episodes (which are actually pretty boring). Every character is now acting to plot rather than to what they've been built up to be.

The boat shit is lazy and half arsed. 1) How can she forget the main enemy's strength is on the sea 2) How can she not see boats when she has the high ground 3) how can the boat shoot the dragons when they're "hidden". Feels like it'll be best if they just wrap it all up and we can pretend it never happened.

[Ian]

My least favourite bit of it all was the Bronn scene, probably. It was just really daft. First of all, I don't believe Bronn would have done that. I get that he's motivated, to some extent, by money. But based on has past relationship with Tyrion alone he would never have walked into that room threatening them with that crossbow.

Am I honestly to believe the same Bronn who said goodbye to Tyrion in that cell before his trial by combat, or survived the trip to Dorne and back with Jaime, would act that way with either of them on the basis of an offer made by their batshit crazy sister? They've made him an absolute caricature of himself.

Yeah that scene was a mess too. He's not an idiot and knows he's got where he is through his own skills, sure, but mostly by sticking with Lannisters and trusting them to see him right. Also he's only there under fucking duress in the first place so it's not like he gives a shit about Cersei. You could've had him get a similar outcome without making him seem like a different character.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I still enjoy it but you have to ignore a lot.

How good could season 5 onwards have been if GRRM had finished all the books first.

[Spikey M]

The Bronn we know would have turned up, made it clear that he's been sent to kill them with the promise of great riches, then jokingly lamented himself for being a soppy bollocks because he can't bring himself to murder an Imp and a one handed disabled bloke. Something like that.

[Ian]

The Bronn we know would have turned up, made it clear that he's been sent to kill them with the promise of great riches, then jokingly lamented himself for being a soppy bollocks because he can't bring himself to murder an Imp and a one handed disabled bloke. Something like that.

Exactly this.

[Kikó]

The Hound is all set up to fight the Mountain as well in a PPV fight at Kings Landing.

[Alex]

The Bronn we know would have turned up, made it clear that he's been sent to kill them with the promise of great riches, then jokingly lamented himself for being a soppy bollocks because he can't bring himself to murder an Imp and a one handed disabled bloke. Something like that.

Nail on the head. his is exactly what would/should have happened.

[Spikey M]

Are Arya and The Hound going to 'hook up'? I enjoy their chemistry, but please, for the love of God, don't take it there.

[Browning]

They were going to a couple of episodes ago before Beric cock blocked them.

[Spikey M]

And now they're out Broke Back Mountaining (double meaning joke ther lads.)