Cardiff signing Sala confirmed on missing plane

[phonics]

Cardiff’s new record signings plane has gone missing.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-guernsey-46954922

[Jimmy Floyd]

Baz was on a Premier League player dying so he probably shot it down.

[SincereTheRebel]

At least put his name in the title of the thread dickhead.

[Baz]

What a waste of money.

In yo face, Warnock.

[Manc]

To hell with the rest of the world.

We've not got Sala
Oh Calais, Calais

[Smjffy]

1 in 11m my ass.

[phonics]

1 in 11m my ass.

That's commercial flights. I'm sure light aircraft have a way worse casualty rate.

edit: 1 death per 100,000 hours apparently. Which is almost equivalent to car travel.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's a brilliant way of getting out of going to Cardiff.

[niko_cee]

I can imagine Giggles overhearing this in conversation and almost wetting himself before the desolation sets in.

[bruhnaldo]

Something something Malaysians something planes.

[Disco]

https://i.imgur.com/bjwK0e6.jpg

He looks like Baz with a shitty beard.

[Baz]

Sexy bastard.

[randomlegend]

Miles has probably already pencilled this in as a feature for FM2020

[Offshore Toon]

Always good to see the Channel Islands make the news.

[bruhnaldo]

The random reports that he was on the same plane from Cardiff back to Nantes and told his friends he was very scared to get back on said plane to go back ... and that it took 4 attempts to actually takeoff ....

What a nightmare.

[Magic]

So sorry but that's what you get Warnock you rancid cunt.

[Lewis]

One in four... Someone work out the xCrash total for me.

[Foe]

Hope they still have the receipt.

[Shindig]

I did wonder about the logistics of a potential transfer refund.

[Giggles]

That's Warnock definitely put off the forrins now.

[The Merse]

Imagine being the next target man Cardiff sign. Knowing you’re only being signed as the first choice copped it over the channel and you’ll always be held up against the idea of what he might’ve been.

On the plus side, Callum Paterson remains excellent value in FPL for another week or so.

[Spikey M]

I did wonder about the logistics of a potential transfer refund.

"We ordered an item for next day delivery and it's still not arrived."

[Magic]

Sending for him in a fucking single prop training Cesna is such a Warnock/Cardiff thing to do.

[Lewis]

If they go down he will always blame this. Yet another unregistered Argie fucking ol' Neil Warnock over.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My old man's just assured me that this is a life insurance scam, so I'll stop worrying.

[ItalAussie]

I realise it's not the main issue by any stretch, but Cardiff are still out 15m, right? Or would he have been insured the minute the payment went through?

[phonics]

I wondered this but didn’t want to say it out loud. Player amortisation means it’s 15m over 4 years. It’ll be covered by insurance but will be a multi year battle of who’s insurance pays.

[niko_cee]

Seeing as most Premier League footballers aren't allowed to do something as mundane as ride a motorbike I'm not sure what the general insurance position is regarding ropey old single-engined aircraft over water in the dark.

Doesn't it take years for him to even be acknowledged as dead?

[Foe]

Yeah. No insurance company is going to pay a penny on that claim for several years or maybe ever.

Either Cardiff or Nantes are out. If Cardiff haven't paid the whole lot up front they'll just not make any further payments and let Nantes try and sue them.

It's one of those horrible scenarios though where a human being is considered a fiscal asset for a company. Could argue the transfer system as a whole is unethical.

[niko_cee]

If these private search boats are out today they're going to need to start a crowdfunding page to save them as it's absolutely brutal here.

They should just give whatever money they raise to his family and face facts, hard as that might be, giving some idiot in a boat £300k isn't going to do any good.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Argie whining is starting to get on my nerves. He's in Davy Jones's Locker, come and send your own patrol boats so Guernsey don't have to waste their resources.

[niko_cee]

I think the human mind just struggles to accept the fact that aeroplane crashes really aren't all that survivable, probably as a result of being subjected to all those safety demonstrations.

In the event of a landing on water, you will likely be dead before you get a chance to faff about with the lifejacket or remove your high-heeled shoes. Your personal belongings will accompany you to the bottom of the ocean. Thanks for flying . . .

[Shindig]

I'd have just taken the delay with the commercial flight after the second botched takeoff.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think the human mind just struggles to accept the fact that aeroplane crashes really aren't all that survivable, probably as a result of being subjected to all those safety demonstrations.

In the event of a landing on water, you will likely be dead before you get a chance to faff about with the lifejacket or remove your high-heeled shoes. Your personal belongings will accompany you to the bottom of the ocean. Thanks for flying . . .

Especially those shitty little planes.

Not a chance they're alive.

[Foe]

Yeah. I look at those little things and think... no thanks.

I actually prefer it when I'm flying over water in a helicopter though. If something goes wrong at least you have a chance.

The family are doing what they should though - pushing for searching to continue. Until they're through the disbelief period, they'll cling to whatever hope they can.

They may never accept it and assume he's floated off in some current onto an uninhabited island and can't contact others.

At this point, he's either in the plane on the seabed, or in the unlikely case he got out, frozen solid/bloated and drifting.

Christ, a guy fell in the ns earlier this week from an oil platform and was picked up dead 4 hours later. Winter waters in this area are death traps.

[Shindig]

They're after closure and I can respect that.

[Yevrah]

Indeed - Never seeing a loved one again but not knowing for certain that they're dead must be horrific.

[bruhnaldo]

Could argue the transfer system as a whole is unethical.

I would disagree. Agreeing a fee to potentially terminate a signed contract seems to me the most fair way to do it.

I say this because in America the player has very little say-so in mostly all situations. For example, you could sign a 5 year, multi-million dollar deal to play with the Yankees but (unless you are one of the very few players who have no-trade clauses) you could end up being traded to Kansas City whether you want to go or not.

At least in football the player has a choice in the matter. I was watching the Sunderland doc on Netflix (great if you haven't btw) and they were talking about Jack Rodwell and basically really making him out to be a villain for not mutually agreeing to terminate his contract. At first, even I thought aye come on pal you've made a plenty pretty penny in your day but then it's like well wait a minute, no, a contract goes both ways. He doesn't HAVE to do anything.

idk.

[Foe]

The bit that gets me in sports is that if you're unhappy you can't just resign.

In a normal job its common for people to resign and move elsewhere but in sports that just doesn't happen because the individual is too much of a financial asset.

If it were to happen it would be chaos because you'd naturally have all the best players at the big clubs and the little ones would be forever feeding those up the chain.

Sunderland documentary is great. The American contract policy in sports is total bullshit tbf. How the players union agreed to non-guaranteed contracts is beyond me. Presumably because the ones negotiating were high earners where it didn't really matter. If you chucked a bunch of late round draft picks in there instead or as well and you'd have very different conversations.

[Spikey M]

The bit that gets me in sports is that if you're unhappy you can't just resign.

Can any contract worker?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Baseball is currently heading for a player strike because of how retarded their system is, although in fairness it's all underpinned by the closed shop nature of it. While there are millions of players and only 30 (or 32 in the NFL) teams where you can earn a living, owners will always hold all the cards.

[Lewis]

The Argie whining is starting to get on my nerves. He's in Davy Jones's Locker, come and send your own patrol boats so Guernsey don't have to waste their resources.

They can send the Belgrano out looking.

[Byron]

Seeing as most Premier League footballers aren't allowed to do something as mundane as ride a motorbike I'm not sure what the general insurance position is regarding ropey old single-engined aircraft over water in the dark.

Doesn't it take years for him to even be acknowledged as dead?

Depends on the policy, but given how valuable footballers are, I can't imagine any underwriter would allow them to travel in these small rickety private planes, especially when they could have gone for a commercial flight, or even train. Furthermore if the pilot was changed last minutes, the underwriters would need to agree to that before they give any sort of cover.

So yeah, no way insurance is paying out on this.

[Raoul Duke]

Some cushions have washed up from the plane apparently: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/30/emiliano-sala-missing-cardiff-city-footballer-investigators-find-two-seat-cushions-on-french-beach

[Danny]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11704/11627530/emiliano-sala-plane-found-in-english-channel

The plane has been found

[Shindig]

"This is about the best result we could have hoped for the families but tonight they have heard devastating news and in respect of the families I won't comment any further about what has happened.

Oof. I mean, they're right but ... oof.

[Giggles]

The forced Warnock tears were a bit lol, for a dirty forrin and all.

[Browning]

They are saying there’s one body on the plane.

[Spikey M]

The Cardiff fans are all declaring their endless love for him in Twitter. Did he even complete a training session for them? I mean, it's sad but this is a bit much.

[SincereTheRebel]

I dont think he did make it to a training session. There are only a few images of him holding the cardiff shirt and wearing the scarf.

[SvN]

Could be worse, imagine if Liverpool had signed him.

[Spikey M]

Christ.

[Byron]

Could be worse, imagine if Liverpool had signed him.

Oh God. The candlelit vigils.

[Magic]

Reasons we didn't win the league volume 3005.

[Yevrah]

They are saying there’s one body on the plane.

I heard that on the radio and thought how can they see it?

[Spikey M]

They've said they can see one body on the plane, but that they can't see into all of it.

[Shindig]

Yes, they can see a body from the images of the wreck but need to investigate further. I assume that means more submersi... sub... fucking boat things and then divers.

[Lewis]

He wasn't even on the plane. It's all a scam to get out of the transfer.

[Mazuuurk]

Wouldn't you try to parachute out of one of those things?

Also, isn't being over the english channel basically close enough to everything that you could send out distress radio calls or whatever?


I remember when reading about that Air Malaysia wreck that it's not always possible to get in contact when flying out over the Oceans, but the channel seems narrow enough that you'd be close to someone pretty much all the time, not?

[Mazuuurk]

Also, had he already signed for Cardiff? Because if not, they can't be eligible to pay the transfer fee, right?

And if he had - why wasn't he there in the first place?

[Offshore Toon]

He flew back to say goodbye to his teammates apparently.

[Mazuuurk]

Really? The graphic on this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47111632

...seems to indicate he's headed towards Cardiff?


EDIT: or do you mean he was returning from returning, so to say?

[Spikey M]

He signed for Cardiff, flew home to get his shit together then hopped on the back of a remote control airplane to get back to Cardiff.

[Offshore Toon]

Really? The graphic on this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47111632

...seems to indicate he's headed towards Cardiff?


EDIT: or do you mean he was returning from returning, so to say?
Yeah, he'd said goodbye to all his Nantes mates and even joked about how shoddy the plane was.

[Boydy]

Can't believe it took them that long to find the plane. The channel's not even that big. I could have found it quicker.

[Giggles]

Can't believe it took them that long to find the plane. The channel's not even that big. I could have found it quicker.

Why didn't you then you bollox? As good as killed them.

[Spikey M]

Look Elon Boyd piping up.

[Shindig]

Look Elon Boyd piping up.


You're a peadophile.

Although I do feel the Guernsey lot just couldn't be arsed with a two-day flyover or whatever they did.

[Disco]

Why though, once you know the guy is at the bottom of the sea does it really matter that much which bit?

[Spikey M]

I did think that. Would they have bothered if it was just the retard flying it involved?

[Jimmy Floyd]

My mate and I managed to produce (over about 3 pints) a detailed explanation of the full scam the other night. The key is that the deal with Cardiff is signed and sealed, and the golden hello and agent's cuts are all safely in Swiss bank accounts, setting Sala and his folks up for the quiet life. He cooks up a desire to 'say his goodbyes' to his Nantes team mates, heading back to France, where the plan is set in motion. He heads for the dodgy plane at the airfield, doesn't get on it and some accomplice - Mauricio 'Spanners' McCready - drives him to a lock up on a French farm somewhere, where he still is, eating little rations of BN biscuits with la vache qui rit until this has all blown over.

The pilot, finding himself with a plane but no passenger, takes a dip in the channel as Spanners has managed to do some critical damage to the plane while dressed as a striking lorry driver. Everyone loses their shit, and Spanners puts out a few convenient whatsapp recordings of Sala saying the plane looks dodgy. The family need to ramp up the publicity a bit to try and generate some extra income, so they get a scam 'search and rescue' fund going and get Messi to blow his mouth off. Meanwhile, Sala is whisked across the border to Spain wearing one of those rubber facemasks which Spanners has procured from an old navy friend. Once you're in Spain everyone is asleep anyway so no questions are asked, and a quick hop across the Atlantic takes him back to Patagonia where he can live out his life hassle-free on the remote gaucho ranch of his dreams, with millions gathering interest in his Swiss account. Spanners can return to his day job ferrying nonogenarian Nazis from steakhouse to steakhouse, Neil Warnock gets to cry on TV, and everyone is happy.

I can't see a single hole in that theory.

[Spikey M]

We are well aware of your links to French mechanics Jim, and you've spent enough time complaining about ridiculous accents to suppose that you've rang around Wales too.

So the only question I have is - what was your cut and can you now afford to get that house?

[Disco]

It's a bit pointless though isn't it?

You go to all that trouble to get away scot-free with all the money they were going to let you have anyway plus wages.

[Spikey M]

But you don't have to move to Cardiff.

[Disco]

No worse, Argentina.

[Spikey M]

Stockholm syndrome.

[Disco]

Now you're just making places up.

[Mazuuurk]

I think he's just gearing up for quoting that post in 18 months time.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47146614

Nantes have DEMANDED the Sala fee from Cardiff.

[Mazuuurk]

Classy. They couldn't at least wait a few months with that?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The French stay the French.

[Shindig]

Excellent. We need to see what legal precedent gets set. If the ink dries and he dies does Nantes get the prize?

[Giggles]

Man City or someone should pay it for a bit of PR.

[Mazuuurk]

Is this going to create a situation where teams sell players to their rivals to rob them off some cash and then hire a hitman to off the player?

Where football is heading, I wouldn't be completely surprised if that happened in the coming few years even.

[Spikey M]

Write to Charlie Brooker about it.

[Danny]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11704/11631095/emiliano-salas-body-identified-by-hm-coroner-following-air-accident

Confirmed it was Sala’s body on the plane

[niko_cee]

Does this mean we can start operating on the assumption that the pilot has bailed out and is now kicking back in the Caribbean on a fat life insurance payout?

[Lewis]

Cardiff fans should hold their breath during the ninth minute of every match until they ban light aircraft.

[Spikey M]

Look at Lewis getting all bitter because there's a new air disaster in town.

[Lewis]

I was just thinking the other day that United have been getting increasingly Scouse about Munich over the past few years, and it can't be a coincidence that it has occurred when they haven't been winning much.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How many English clubs have had a major tragedy in their history?

United
Liverpool
Bradford

Any others? Seems long odds that the two biggest clubs should have had them, although I guess they are the ones who get to piss about in Serbia etc.

[Lewis]

Bolton had a stadium crush in the black and white days that you never hear about because you just got on with it then.

[Shindig]

I'm reading up on that and wondering what the result was. 2-0 win on aggregate. Weird for me to see that competition with two legs.

[Baz]

https://i.redd.it/k2l2egb0j8f21.jpg

[Kikó]

I was just thinking the other day that United have been getting increasingly Scouse about Munich over the past few years, and it can't be a coincidence that it has occurred when they haven't been winning much.

They're having little holidays over in Munich to commemorate. It's all top red status.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-47384977


A crowd funded search has found "no trace" of the pilot of the plane which crashed with Cardiff City striker Emiliano Sala on board.

I'm back onboard Jimmy's conspiracy. The talk about the pilot's credentials make it even more dodgy.

[Gray Fox]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11704/11674843/emiliano-sala-contract-not-legally-binding-cardiff-to-tell-fifa


It begins.

[SincereTheRebel]

That was always going to happen. Im guessing that Cardiff will have to pay something.

[Spikey M]

Someone's insurance company will.

[Browning]

As was said earlier, insurance won’t touch this. They always look for any reason not to pay and I’m sure they have many in this case.

Do like that they reacted saying he’s always a Cardiff player and now they are claiming he never was...

[Shindig]

It does intrigue me if the done thing is to get players to pose with the kit before the formalities have been all signed and sealed. As for insurance, if Sala or Mackay's arranged this without Cardiff's agreement, no insurance company will pay out. Assuming he was legally an employee of Cardiff to begin with.

[niko_cee]

Do like that they reacted saying he’s always a Cardiff player and now they are claiming he never was...

This is the best take on this.

Someone get a pic up with mawkish signs they held up. Once a bluebird, always a bluebird. Well, erm, technically . . .

[bruhnaldo]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/10AEA/production/_105503386_mediaitem105335583.jpg

[bruhnaldo]

Imagine a legal case where they use "well you printed a gigantic banner that says "our" implying ownership of said player..."

[Lewis]

We never saw you play, or help defend on corners
But we'll milk your death for all it's worth like good grief-jacking mourners

[Baz]

Nowt wrong with that.

[The Merse]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/10AEA/production/_105503386_mediaitem105335583.jpg

FFS. I never saw that.

I mean, he's not Duncan Edwards, but I suppose watching Warnock-ian football every weekend with Scotland's second choice right back as your centre forward will do that to your basic sensibities.

[Spikey M]

I understand the Northern section of Wales being a bit Scouse, but there's no excuse in the almost civilised parts down south.

[Lewis]

Wouldn't it be the other way around? You never hear much about North Wales, which suggests that the people there just get on with it, rather than tearing up over crap songs and mewling about the coal industry.

[phonics]

You don't hear about them because their caves are hard to reach and they can't communicate outside of a series of grunts, screeches and gestures.

[Baz]

Where did Smiffy go?

[Spikey M]

You don't hear about them because their caves are hard to reach and they can't communicate outside of a series of grunts, screeches and gestures.

See, Scousers.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48694561

Floyd might be right after all.