Arabs

[Offshore Toon]

Just watching Escape From Dubai on iPlayer.

What does everyone reckon?

[Giggles]

Never seen it but from the description she's back in Dubai or dead.

[Spikey M]

They wipe their arses with their bare hands. Avoid.

[Offshore Toon]

I meant more about (the bad) Arabs in general, Giggles.

[Spikey M]

Never reviewed a race before. I like it. Can we do Latin people next? I've got some shit to get off my chest. Starting with Italians.

[Offshore Toon]

They wipe their arses with their bare hands. Avoid.
I did hear from somebody that worked offshore with Arabs that they shit in the shower and stomp it down the drain.

[Giggles]

I meant more about (the bad) Arabs in general, Giggles.

Personally I avoid like the plague as I wouldn't trust one of the cunts as far as I'd throw them.

[Offshore Toon]

Never reviewed a race before. I like it. Can we do Latinos next? I've got some shit to get off my chest. Starting with Italians.
Of course. A good series will get this place pumping for Christmas.

[Offshore Toon]

Personally I avoid like the plague as I wouldn't trust one of the cunts as far as I'd throw them.
Aren't the Jordan lot meant to be nice? And the majority of Syrians. It's difficult to know which ones are good or bad because I don't ask their nationality. I may have to from now on to get a decent picture of what's what.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The ones with money are all scum, largely because to have money there you have to be corrupt, abuse human rights, and order deaths.

'Normal' people are fundamentally the same wherever you go, give or take a few cultural and economic differences.

[Spikey M]

The ones with money are all scum, largely because to have money there you have to be corrupt, abuse human rights, and order deaths.

'Normal' people are fundamentally the same wherever you go, give or take a few cultural and economic differences.

Wahhabism is quite the cultural difference.

[randomlegend]

I did hear from somebody that worked offshore with Arabs that they shit in the shower and stomp it down the drain.

Waffle stomping I believe that's called

[Lewis]

Arabs are a fundamentally uncivilised people that we provide with a thin veneer of civilisation in the form of air conditioning and designer shite. They are like that 'Lotto Lout' idiot from years ago, but with entire countries to fuck about with. That said, I think people get it the wrong way round thinking that Islam is to blame for all of their woes. They aren't backwards, goat-fucking retards because they are Islamic mentals; they are Islamic mentals because they are backwards, goat-fucking retards. If they all turned atheist overnight they would still find reasons to keep women down and shit on the toilet seat, because they have been groping around in the sand forever and unable to get any sort of sustainable societies going, and so they find themselves stuck in the Dark Ages. I think people blame Islam because they can then hide behind criticising an idea/belief system, rather than just going yeah mate Saudi Arabia scum that lot like Kilroy rightly did.

[randomlegend]

Taking bets on how many points that post gets.

[Lewis]

Can't warn the truth pal.

[mugbull]

Well you got that one off your chest, are there any other insights into your psyche on the way?

[Lewis]

I can phrase it more sensibly if you like, but I'm not actually wrong. These areas were a thousand years behind when we rolled into town, and very little, either through there being no incentives (the oil countries) or a lack of suitable pre-conditions (the others, and also non-Arab dumps like Afghanistan and rural Pakistan) has changed in societal terms.

[Shindig]

The ones with money (and power) have no idea what to do with it. Also, the Chinese are the most boring race I've ever witnessed.

[Offshore Toon]

The Chinese are proper shit, but we've covered that before. We should probably explore the relationship between certain races and poo, though. Shitting on the toilet seat is the one thing that the Chinese are genuinely good at, then you've got the Arab version of Stomp. @Spikey, do you know of any irregularities within the Latin community?

[Shindig]

Indians are are culturally absurd when it comes to shit and piss.

[mugbull]

I can phrase it more sensibly if you like, but I'm not actually wrong. These areas were a thousand years behind when we rolled into town, and very little, either through there being no incentives (the oil countries) or a lack of suitable pre-conditions (the others, and also non-Arab dumps like Afghanistan and rural Pakistan) has changed in societal terms.

This is going to eventually morph into a Churchill-esque defense of British Empire, am I right?

“I’m not actually wrong”

[Panda Bear]

England and France completely fucked up the Middle East, so I blame imperialism for a lot of it.

Palestine used to have the three Abrahamic religions live harmoniously, you know?

[Giggles]

What's with you and bloody Palestine?

[Bam]

England and France completely fucked up the Middle East, so I blame imperialism for a lot of it.

Palestine used to have the three Abrahamic religions live harmoniously, you know?


Fucking hipster. :wanker:

[Spikey M]

England and France completely fucked up the Middle East, so I blame imperialism for a lot of it.

Palestine used to have the three Abrahamic religions live harmoniously, you know?

I between murdering and forcing each other out, sure.

[Lewis]

There were barely any Jews in Palestine until the late nineteenth-century, by which point it was already very much part of the British sphere of influence. Everywhere else in the Islamic world non-Muslims were second class citizens at the best of times and liable to be massacred when things were going to shit. That was also the lot of minorities in Western countries for much of the past thousand years, so that is not really a condemnation of the Ottoman Empire (not until it started falling to bits and the genocides started happening). I'm talking about the sand people of the region and beyond. The tent-dwellers we made our oil deals with a century ago were indistinguishable from whoever would have been running the tent a thousand years previous.

[Spoonsky]

Do you still hate your life, Lewis?

What I’m really asking is: what’s the end goal of progress?

[Shindig]

To win the board.

[Giggles]

Completed it mate.

[Lewis]

Do you still hate your life, Lewis?

What I’m really asking is: what’s the end goal of progress?

It is pretty good at the moment mate.

[Henry]

Oh dear. What to do?

[Dave.]

Oh dear. What to do?

???

[Henry]

???

Racism is against the rules around here. But since I'm not around much any more and therefore probably should be de-modded, I'll leave it to someone who can be arsed with the blowback to decide whether to warn or ban Lewis.

[Giggles]

Racism is against the rules around here. But since I'm not around much any more and therefore probably should be de-modded, I'll leave it to someone who can be arsed with the blowback to decide whether to warn or ban Lewis.

Nobody gets warned any more.

[phonics]

Also agree that 90% of this is really truly disgusting racism, far and above the all turks love kebabs and stabbing people stuff which was gross, but I don't know how to use the warnings system.

[Lewis]

Reading it all back, I actually cried twice. Sorry mates.

[phonics]

Lewis do you think of yourself as a racist?

[mugbull]

As a general rule of thumb it’s pretty pointless to try to learn anything about how “society works” from the socially autistic. They either haven’t figured it out, or their insecurities at being outcast color their every judgment. It’s why you always have to take Kant’s dogmas with a grain of salt when you realize he never talked to anyone and walked in the same circle for hours every day

[Lewis]

Lewis do you think of yourself as a racist?

No, because cultural superiority is not the same as racial superiority.


As a general rule of thumb it’s pretty pointless to try to learn anything about how “society works” from the socially autistic. They either haven’t figured it out, or their insecurities at being outcast color their every judgment. It’s why you always have to take Kant’s dogmas with a grain of salt when you realize he never talked to anyone and walked in the same circle for hours every day

As much as I love your ironic pronouncements on all things retardism, I know more history than you, so feel free to point out where I am going wrong.

[phonics]

No, because cultural superiority is not the same as racial superiority.

That's a dodge.

[Lewis]

It's not. In fact, conflating the two would be racist.

[phonics]

It's not. In fact, conflating the two would be racist.

As someone who grew up around the culturally inferior, as you see them, do you think they change when brought up in a different culture because I'd beg to differ.

[Lewis]

Undermining your own argument against me in a single sentence that started off re-affirming it must be a new personal best for you.

[phonics]

I'm not arguing against you in the slightest, hence why I asked a question rather than make a statement, I think you then take the original point and run with it way too far.

[Lewis]

What is there to run with? It is distinctly un-racist to say that there are wider - inevitable, for lack of a better word - reasons for the cultural backwardness afflicting these regions.

[Offshore Toon]

Nobody has written off all Arabs here, just the ones that kidnap, torture and stomp shit.

[Pepe]

Nobody has written off all Arabs here


Arabs are a fundamentally uncivilised people

If it is fundamental, then it applies to all of them, right?

[mugbull]

As much as I love your ironic pronouncements on all things retardism, I know more history than you, so feel free to point out where I am going wrong.

Yeah mate I know you're a historian but that means shit when it comes to normative questions. At that point you are no different from anyone else and, as I argue, in a worse position to offer anything useful.

[Lewis]

Your argument is a stupid one when it concerns historical reasons for something.

[mugbull]

You have way too little appreciation for how much your internal biases determine how you view the world. It doesn't matter how much military history you've consumed.

[Lewis]

Do you think your painful faux-detachment does likewise, as it has with your worthless approach to this thread?

[mugbull]

My detachment from what?

[Lewis]

No then.

[mugbull]

Alright, Winston Jr

[Henry]

What is there to run with? It is distinctly un-racist to say that there are wider - inevitable, for lack of a better word - reasons for the cultural backwardness afflicting these regions.

"Fundamentally uncivilised" is not the same thing as "culturally backwards".

[Spikey M]

Are you still single Henners?

[Lewis]

"Fundamentally uncivilised" is not the same thing as "culturally backwards".

It is. Albeit further down the spectrum than somebody like Spain or America.

[Henry]

It is. Albeit further down the spectrum than somebody like Spain or America.

It isn't. Culture is incidental and changes all the time, I'm not sure how you can regard it as fundamental to the people themselves.

[Henry]

Are you still single Henners?

I have not been single in quite a long time.

[Lewis]

It isn't. Culture is incidental and changes all the time, I'm not sure how you can regard it as fundamental to the people themselves.

Because in the cases of the places I am talking about it barely has over centuries.

[Baz]

What exactly is an Arab nowadays?

[Henry]

Because in the cases of the places I am talking about it barely has over centuries.

You did not refer to the places. You referred to the people. The logical conclusion of what you wrote is that an Arab brought up in middle-class western society will still be uncivilised.

[Spikey M]

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[Lewis]

The context in which I originally used the word 'people' is the same as references to the American people, or the British people, neither of which are an ethnicity, and which every subsequent post has expanded upon.

[Spikey M]

You're only allowed to clarify points if you're J Corbz.

[Lewis]

Stupid womaple.

[Spikey M]

I reckon he said Arab.

[Panda Bear]

When I was 19 I wrote a post about moral relativism, and Oimoi proceeded to absolutely destroy me.

Lewis' writing did not imply that an Arab person in a middle-class western society would be uncivilized. His writing does
seem to preclude Arab persons in Arab societies from being civilized, but talking about peoples lends itself to generalization--and, well, racism.

I'm not sure what Lewis means when he says the Middle East was a thousand years behind. In terms of economy and technology, no. The Ottoman Empire was a regular trade partner with European countries albeit not a significant one by the 19th century. Regions like Egypt adopted steam power in the 19th century, but it's worth noting that technological advancements had stalled until European science was translated and made available en masse in the late 18th century (I think, I'm not looking it up).

Culturally, though? The Ottoman Empire allowed the sex slave trade to go on until the early 20th century. In general, people were trash unless they were part of elite society. If we extend our criticism of peoples further east, India had a fucking caste system and still has an informal one.

If a country executes people for their political or religious beliefs, imprisons women for infidelity when they get raped, and happily lets foreign workers die on job sites, then it's a shit country. Saudi Arabia is a shit country. Saying that we don't "get" Wahhabism doesn't excuse it being a shit country. While the Saudis are the worst offenders, almost every single Middle Eastern country is a comparable shithole in terms of oppression and base hostility towards any person even slightly deemed 'other'.

Like much of Africa and Asia, the Middle East is generally shit at treating people humanely--be it for cultural reasons or economic restrictions--in the way that we reasonably expect in the western world.

In regards to Jews already being in Palestine by the end of the 19th century, well, the British started the Zionist movement in the early 19th century and supported Jewish persons emigrating to the region. It's not like the British only began wielding influence in the region at the beginning of its mandate in 1922.

And in regards to why do I care so much about Palestine, it's twofold: on the one hand, Israel is a disgusting country; on the other hand, my family is full of Lebanese people and I grew up with people yelling at the TV whenever Israel fucked up Lebanon or Palestine.

[Panda Bear]

So yes, the Arab world fucking sucks, which is evident by the continued religious conflicts, repression of civil liberties and human rights, and number of autocracies.

Almost every person I've met in Canada from Lebanon, Iran, Egypt and so on have been pretty great people...and they all recognize that there are major problems with the countries they come from.

[Lewis]

Yeah man. Uncivilised.

[mugbull]

They’re shit countries, and moral relativism is retarded, but the people are just people and that’s obviously what this thread was meant to be about

[Offshore Toon]

Shit-stomping aside, I was more looking to get into why we're still friendly with the royal families and such tbh.

[Bam]

Bullshit you did.

[phonics]

Shit-stomping aside, I was more looking to get into why we're still friendly with the royal families and such tbh.

No you weren't you twat.

[Offshore Toon]

I was. Have you watched that documentary? It doesn't feature any normal people, just talks about the royal family.

[niko_cee]

That French spy was a fucking idiot though. You'd be gutted to have put your life in his hands.

What? The Indians are corruptable?

*Gallic shrug as you are dragged to your death*

I had no idea . . .

[Manc]

Criminal reoffends and is sent to "prison".