Thai kids in a cave

[-james-]

They're all fucked, aren't they?

[Boydy]

Yeah, saw earlier that one of the divers taking in supplies died. :|

[Kikó]

How did they get in there?

[SvN]

It's so bizarre. They've been found and are in decent health, yet it just seems completely inevitable that they're doomed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Short of some Worms-esque pneumatic drilling and blowtorching (always a great way to piss off your opponent with Mourinho-style play) I think they're alligator food.

[Shindig]

Just take a hose and clear the floods one by one.

[-james-]

Apparently it's no longer feasible due to oxygen levels, but the whole idea of keeping them down there for four months is ridiculous. They would all go completely nuts.

[Samadini]

Feel like I'm about to set the alarm off on QI, but why can't they just strap the kids to the divers? I'm sure it's probably dangerous for some reason, but if they're fucked anyway, there must be a good reason why not.

[Yevrah]

I've never dived, so I'm not sure what this actually entails, but they'd apparently need to teach them basic diving skills, which I'm guessing is quite hard to do in those conditions.

They got down their because their football coach took them there for the lols, apparently without the parent's permission. He'll be going to prison.

[Boydy]

Bet he's a paedo.

[Kikó]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fatherted/images/5/55/TVDC.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/732?cb=20180121113944

[Yevrah]

It'd odd, my gut is that they'll get out, but when the options involved seem to be waiting for 4 months, or teaching terrified kids diving skills, I don't know why I think that.

[SvN]

Considering an ex-navy diver died attempting the dive to reach them, I can't see how the fuck a bunch of kids are meant to be taught to do it.

[Kikó]

Can't they train a whale to take them all out in its mouth?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Considering an ex-navy diver died attempting the dive to reach them, I can't see how the fuck a bunch of kids are meant to be taught to do it.

Especially as a lot of them don't know how to even swim apparently.

[-james-]

It's a four hour swim through murky water and in places barely wide enough to swim through. I reckon blowing the top of the mountain off would be safer.

[Pepe]

Can't someone build a submarine out of bamboo or something to take them out?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Can't someone build a submarine out of bamboo or something to take them out?

They need MacGyver.

[Shindig]

Will he do? (https://www.facebook.com/BangkokMacGyver/)

[Spikey M]

Will he do? (https://www.facebook.com/BangkokMacGyver/)

He’s definitely a paedofile. So yes, I guess.

[Disco]

Short of some Worms-esque pneumatic drilling and blowtorching (always a great way to piss off your opponent with Mourinho-style play) I think they're alligator food.

Fill in the tunnel behind you with a girder for maximum dickhead points.

[Adramelch]

Musk is apparently sending engineers from his excavating company to see if there's a different solution.

[Pepe]

What a wanker.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

ofc Musk had to get involved.

[Shindig]

He's like Batman if his parents lived.

[phonics]

And dedicated himself to his personal enrichment instead of fighting crime.

[Boydy]

Musk is a twat but fair play to him for helping out.

Does anyone else read/sing the thread title to themselves to the tune of 'Girlfriend in a coma'?

[Raoul Duke]

Does anyone else read/sing the thread title to themselves to the tune of 'Girlfriend in a coma'?

Yep :D

This sounds fucking harrowing and from reading about it sounds like there's very little hope to resolve it without something going tits up. If an ex-Navy SEAL can't make it through, some kids aren't going to.

[bruhnaldo]

I'd like to point out it were a Thai Navy SEAL (may he RIP) and had it been an American those kids would've already been out of that cave by now, by God *spits tobacco*

[Panda Bear]

In situations like these where some random group of foreign people are completely fucked, it's best for people like us to acknowledge that:
1) it will be devastating for people who know the kids and sad for others within their cultural landscape (which is basically only other Thai people);
2) accept that these people are outside of our naturally occurring circles of care (it's not like any of us here actually know their names); and
3) forget about them since we, as individuals, don't have the resources nor influence to extend any help that is already being given.

Good conversation piece though--I had forgotten about Worms.

[Adramelch]

Or you know, you can actually be sad for incidents like that.

[Spikey M]

Should have just stuck with ‘whom’.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They could send in an actual seal, with a child-sized oxygen harness on its back, and get them swum out of trouble that way.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I'd heard it was up to a 6 hour swim in pitch black.

Imagine knowing that was effectively your only option. Think I'd choose suicide by hypoxia and stay in the cave.

[Bernanke]

They've been asking about updates on how the World Cup is going. :(

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Poor bastards :(

Tell them Thailand won it to keep their hopes up.

[Bernanke]

"It's coming home, but you're not."

[Lewis]

Elon Musk turns up, none of the equipment works, a local man dies using it, and all of his Twitter fans @ the major car manufacturers asking them where they were.

[John]

Then Phonics @s him to ask what took him so long and gets banned.

[Shindig]

I'd like to point out it were a Thai Navy SEAL (may he RIP) and had it been an American those kids would've already been out of that cave by now, by God *spits tobacco*

"400 perish as cave catches fire."

[bruhnaldo]

I didn't say out of the cave alive, mind.

[Spikey M]

The distance the rescuers have to travel and the tiny openings they have to squeeze through fucks with my head. How far in did the dizzy cunt take them before it started filling up? How on earth can they expect to get the kids out via the ‘swimming’ method? How the fuck can ‘wait 4 months’ be an option? Even if they get them oxygen, they’d all be absolutely fucking raving by then.

I can’t see them getting out of their alive at this point.

[John]

https://s8.postimg.cc/ml1akl2yt/IMG-20180705-_WA0013.jpg

[bruhnaldo]

Ya know I never really imagined them not getting out of the cave until I opened this thread.

I heard the story on the radio and thought well isn't that nice! Good for them! That could've been TRAGIC!

[Spikey M]

It’s literally nightmare stuff. Trapped in the pitch black. The closest people hours away. Fully trained people dying in the journey you might have to try. Water rising. Oxygen levels dropping. FUCKING TERRIFYING.

[Boydy]

Could they not pump oxygen in for them?

[Panda Bear]

Or you know, you can actually be sad for incidents like that.But then I'd have to start being sad about school shootings in the United States, kids dying in hot cars every year, and starvation.

The Humboldt bus crash and all of Palestine (!) is enough for me.

[Adramelch]

It’s literally nightmare stuff. Trapped in the pitch black. The closest people hours away. Fully trained people dying in the journey you might have to try. Water rising. Oxygen levels dropping. FUCKING TERRIFYING.

But hey, it's not anyone close to you or your country so you might as well not care.

[Giggles]

But then I'd have to start being sad about school shootings in the United States, kids dying in hot cars every year, and starvation.

The Humboldt bus crash and all of Palestine (!) is enough for me.

Why bloody Palestine?

[bruhnaldo]

I don't reckon there's anything wrong with a little humor to get passed some of the sad stuff in life.

Surely we're all sad that the little brats were lead astray by an adult they trusted and will now pay for it with their lives, but just like in school shootings "thoughts and prayers" are gonna do just about fuck all.

[Adramelch]

I don't reckon there's anything wrong with a little humor to get passed some of the sad stuff in life.

Surely we're all sad that the little brats were lead astray by an adult they trusted and will now pay for it with their lives, but just like in school shootings "thoughts and prayers" are gonna do just about fuck all.

I don't think anyone's debating that. Panda essentially said "you shouldn't be sad because it's far from you".

[bruhnaldo]

Oh carry on then.

[Panda Bear]

I don't think anyone's debating that. Panda essentially said "you shouldn't be sad because it's far from you".Spend your energy where you can make a difference.

[Panda Bear]

Also, it's okay to be a massive hypocrite. #palestine

[Giggles]

#fuckpalestine

[Shindig]

I'm still baffled none of them considered staying at the entrance until the rain passed. "Hey, the entrance of the cave is flooding ... let's go deeper in."

[Yevrah]

Surely they were already deeper in when it started flooding.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/13B96/production/_102409708_thai_cave_dive_hours_ws_v2_976-nc.png

Five hours to get out?

They're fucked, there's no chance they can dive themselves.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

At least they'll have the current with them...

[Lewis]

Well I reckon they will get them out.

[Giggles]

Well I reckon they will get them out.

Well you can break it to Panda if they do.

[Spikey M]

Lewis and #TeamEngineer to invent some kind of extraction chamber.

[Kikó]

I'm not sure how broadband is going to help.

[Panda Bear]

It would be nice if they got out.

I just don't see the point in actively worrying about the situation. Experience it passively.

[Spikey M]

Google ‘Empathy’.

[Panda Bear]

July 6, 2018

Three children have been killed and seven others wounded when two roadside mines exploded in residential areas in Afghanistan’s southern Ghazni Province.

Arif Noori, spokesman for the governor of Ghazi, said on July 6 that the two separate incidents occurred on the same day in the remote Gilan district.

Children were playing when an explosive device went off, killing three and wounding four children around midday in Gilan’s Shinkai area, district chief Mohammad Karim Gilanwal said.

https://www.rferl.org/a/roadside-mines-kill-three-children-in-southern-afghanistan/29347620.html

[Panda Bear]

If you're going to give a shit about people across the world in peril let alone dying every single day, you're just going to wear yourself out emotionally.

If you're being selective about it, i.e. only caring about news stories that have sensational or exceptional qualities to them as opposed to incidents that seem common place (e.g. mines killing kids in Afghanistan, school shootings in the USA, sex trafficking in Thailand), then you're inconsistent and purposefully ignorant.

You can understand that a situation is sad. You don't need to actively feel sad to acknowledge it.

Save your emotional energy for people and situations where you can actually make a difference be it through direct participation (e.g. taking care of your family, volunteering somewhere) or advocating to change something that's a systemic issue.

[Pepe]

It would be nice if they got out.

I just don't see the point in actively worrying about the situation. Experience it passively.

What you are missing is that no one actually worries. It is entertainment. An unusual situation has arisen and people are interested to see how it will pan out.

[Panda Bear]

What you are missing is that no one actually worries. It is entertainment. An unusual situation has arisen and people are interested to see how it will pan out.
Yeah. It's a novelty. If this were a common occurrence, none of us would have even heard the story on international news.

And to segue, this is an interesting story that will likely have a sad ending, but it doesn't call for strangers to be sad. It's something you should treat as abstract/distant so that you can reserve your energy for something concrete/near (like your own family and then community).

[Magic]

Lewis and #TeamEngineer to invent some kind of extraction chamber.

If only I hadn't moved to sales I could have innovated here.

[Adramelch]

Yeah. It's a novelty. If this were a common occurrence, none of us would have even heard the story on international news.

And to segue, this is an interesting story that will likely have a sad ending, but it doesn't call for strangers to be sad. It's something you should treat as abstract/distant so that you can reserve your energy for something concrete/near (like your own family and then community).

I think you're probably putting too much emphasis on the "being sad" part. Let's use a different term, shall we? I feel bad for those kids for as long as this situation will drag on. It's not costing me much emotionally. You went the exact opposite way though by saying "forget about them". That's what I took issue with.

[Giggles]

If only I hadn't moved to sales I could have innovated here.

Why did they demote you anyway?

[John]

If you're going to give a shit about people across the world in peril let alone dying every single day, you're just going to wear yourself out emotionally.

If you're being selective about it, i.e. only caring about news stories that have sensational or exceptional qualities to them as opposed to incidents that seem common place (e.g. mines killing kids in Afghanistan, school shootings in the USA, sex trafficking in Thailand), then you're inconsistent and purposefully ignorant.

You can understand that a situation is sad. You don't need to actively feel sad to acknowledge it.

Save your emotional energy for people and situations where you can actually make a difference be it through direct participation (e.g. taking care of your family, volunteering somewhere) or advocating to change something that's a systemic issue.

It can't come as a surprise to you that these children, who are alive and trapped and smiling and whose almost certainly deadly predicament we can see footage of, are drawing a greater emotional response than some children who died immediately in an offscreen bomb.

[Panda Bear]

It can't come as a surprise to you that these children, who are alive and trapped and smiling and whose almost certainly deadly predicament we can see footage of, are drawing a greater emotional response than some children who died immediately in an offscreen bomb.
Of course it doesn't surprise me.

But it also doesn't mean that the lives of the Thai kids are more important.

It just means that media warp people's sphere of care, which I find distasteful when there are tragedies all over the world that deserve recognition but get none because they aren't sensational or intriguing.

So instead of having a bleeding heart for every tragedy across the world because my sphere of care knows no bounds, I'd rather actively care about people on a local or regional level where their lives can actually resonate in a knowable manner within my community. For example, the Humboldt, Canada bus crash that killed sixteen young hockey players is within my sphere of care. This means that I'd rather not care about a group of Thai kids (which gets harder the more you hear about the story due to how empathy works) because there's effectively no connectivity from their lives and community to my life and my community.

[Spikey M]

If you're going to give a shit about people across the world in peril let alone dying every single day, you're just going to wear yourself out emotionally.

If you're being selective about it, i.e. only caring about news stories that have sensational or exceptional qualities to them as opposed to incidents that seem common place (e.g. mines killing kids in Afghanistan, school shootings in the USA, sex trafficking in Thailand), then you're inconsistent and purposefully ignorant.

You can understand that a situation is sad. You don't need to actively feel sad to acknowledge it.

Save your emotional energy for people and situations where you can actually make a difference be it through direct participation (e.g. taking care of your family, volunteering somewhere) or advocating to change something that's a systemic issue.

It’s possible to care without being wounded as if you knew them, you know? You can also care about lots and lots of things, to different extents. It’s really pretty easy for a functioning human being. If you’re not empathising towards a school shooting because it’s ‘commonplace’ then I don’t really know what to tell you.

[Baz]

I posted in the work WhatsApp that being stuck in a flooded cave in Thailand would have been l preferable to being at work yesterday. Two laughed, one did the rolleyes emoji and the other 9 probably seethed in the “Workmates (no Baz)” group.

I’m honestly disappointed it’s such big news. Sir Harry will be dedicating his golden boot to them next.

[Shindig]

Let's be honest, if this hadn't happened, news outlets would still be going on about the weather.

[Yevrah]

Bad Panda.

[SincereTheRebel]

My recommendation. Same principles apply in the water with the currentnt.


https://youtu.be/HgCuoUMGkaY

[Spikey M]

All these engineers and it’s Sincere that comes up with the solution. Overpaid mongs.

[Magic]

Good job it's not Barry Bennell with them lol.

[Lewis]

“Workmates (no Baz)” group

:lol:

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44755452

They’re trying to get them out. I just don’t see how this can work.

[-james-]

Two of them are out. :cool:

[Kikó]

That's actually awesome.

[Shindig]

Unbelievable.

[Pepe]

Stop caring ffs.

[Spikey M]

If they manage to get them all out it’ll be a properly good effort.

[Browning]

Up to 6 now apparently.

[Giggles]

#pray4panda.

[Lewis]

So what was all the fuss about?

[Pepe]

Up to 6 now apparently.

:cool:

Did something change from a couple days ago when someone died trying to go in, or did they just go for it?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think they just went for it because if they didn't do it today the rain would have made it impossible/

[Lewis]

Two British blokes calling the shots as well. They deserve some sort of honour when they get back, and possibly even the same weekly wage as Raheem Sterling.

[Adramelch]

Two British blokes calling the shots as well. They deserve some sort of honour when they get back, and possibly even the same weekly wage as Raheem Sterling.

Did they win as many corners as Sterling? I don't think so.

[Disco]

What about the bloke that took them in there? I don't fancy his chances if he makes it out, he'd be better off staying behind.

[Waffdon]

He’s getting praised more than anything from what I can see.

[Lewis]

Did they win as many corners as Sterling? I don't think so.

I use Sterling as simply the most undeserving example, but really it could be anyone getting thousand a week just to kick a ball around.

[Waffdon]

Footballers deserve their wage smh

[Lewis]

They kick a bag of air around. When you think about what nurses get it's a joke.

[Giggles]

They kick a bag of air around. When you think about what nurses get it's a joke.

It's probably better not to think about it at all. It's messed up.

[Adramelch]

They kick a bag of air around. When you think about what nurses get it's a joke.

Not to speak of those 3rd goalkeepers that barely even do that.

[Lewis]

Goalkeepers in general. The money they're on they should be saving every shot (except where the shot comes from somebody on more than them, as the expectation there is that they score every shot).

[Pepe]

It's all well and good discussing what different men earn but you're forgetting about the gender pay gap. Now that is a travesty.

[Disco]

Yeah, female football players should be massively overpaid too.

Then get their wages capped.

[Pepe]

They are every bit as capable so I don't see why not.

[Waffdon]

Goalkeepers in general. The money they're on they should be saving every shot (except where the shot comes from somebody on more than them, as the expectation there is that they score every shot).

Has someone taken over your account? When did you turn into a nonce?

[Lewis]

:harold:

[Giggles]

They are every bit as capable so I don't see why not.

They're not though.

[SincereTheRebel]

Not to speak of those 3rd goalkeepers that barely even do that.

After Man Utd signed Lee Grant as a third choice. I went and checked out the original Stuart 'The Third Choice' Taylor. He left Southampton at the end of the season with zero league appearances. His career has gone across three decades. He still made more league appearances in an Arsenal shirt (18) than any other team he ever played for in the league. What a legend.

[phonics]

Elon Musk has had to come out and say they hadn't even managed to get on a plane there yet. It'd be a good metaphor worth mentioning on Twitter if it wasn't a hate crime.

[Panda Bear]

I am going to try this again.

This story is news, but it’s not journalism. It takes up space in people’s local/regional media and generates interest in a cause that is not actionable by a community. The space and subsequent attention could instead be directed stories that call people to action like “council wastes money on x” or “volunteer shortage at shelter”.

This points towards larger issues in journalism and media with newspaper congolomerates, reduced funding for journalism, and the advertising-based information economy.

[Giggles]

That's a massive load of tripe.

[Yevrah]

Why do you think the story is of interest Panda?

[bruhnaldo]

What a fuckin hill to die on.

[Spikey M]

Page 1: POT HOLES CRACK LOCAL ICECREAM VANS WINDOWS

Page 947: 10,000 die in tragic blimp accident.... in France.

[Shindig]

Panda, do you have something big in your life going on that nobody's paying attention to? Is that what this is about?

[Panda Bear]

Why do you think the story is of interest Panda?Because you have a bunch of kids trapped in a wild situation where they might die. It hits empathy, novelty and mortality all at once.

I don’t find it surprising that it is being widely reported—I just don’t believe that it’s a valuable story to report.

Now that you know the situation, what impact does it have upon you radiating outward to your community, city, region, country? None. On a going forward basis in terms of justice or policy, what is there to advocate for? Nothing beyond “caves are scary”.

This story is the exact opposite of hearing “thirteen kids in Syria might get shot”. That one wouldn’t be interesting as we expect it in a no-longer-novel war zone, but there’s plenty of room for advocacy.

[Lewis]

Is there actually less money for journalism, or does it just go to wankers writing their opinions? Where did I read some esteemed journalism professor (lol) complaining that all of their students just want to write about themselves now rather than secretly film corrupt England managers? I don't care. I can't. Not when these poor kids are trapped, and footballers are sucking the country dry.

[Panda Bear]

Panda, do you have something big in your life going on that nobody's paying attention to? Is that what this is about?No, but I'm doubling down on a poorly written first post to the thread.

Media!! :Panda:


Page 1: POT HOLES CRACK LOCAL ICECREAM VANS WINDOWS

Page 947: 10,000 die in tragic blimp accident.... in France.10,000 die in tragic blimp accident qualifies as worthwhile due to its scale and the fact that people actually died.

"Twelve Thai kids may or may not die, we'll let you know later" is a news item, but it shouldn't be dominating the headlines.


What a fuckin hill to die on.gotta die somewhere m i rite

[Panda Bear]

Overall this story wouldn't have been covered the way it has if they weren't in a spooky cave.

[Henry]

What happened to all the hullabaloo about them not bring able to dive or whatever? They seem to be managing it okay now.

[SvN]

The water level has been lowered enough for them to walk the majority of the journey.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Overall this story wouldn't have been covered the way it has if they weren't in a spooky cave.

And if they were white it would be one of the biggest stories of all time. It's the way the media works, you ain't changing it.

[Yevrah]

And there are far less newsworthy things that get reported on than this.

[-james-]

I don't think it's a big story because people are particularly empathising with them. There's just loads of facets of it that you can talk about without having to think very much, and that's really what most people want. It's a real life cliffhanger.

[John Arne]

https://www.facebook.com/ismail.koye.2581/videos/415557155597682/

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is the first time I've been exposed to Elon Musk's fanboys. They are very reminiscent of Scot Nats and deeply, deeply weird.

[SincereTheRebel]

The males in my office are crazy about Elon Musk. Im not fully up to speed on all his work. What im more concerned about is why he hasn't become Batman or Ironman yet.

[Gray Fox]

He's busy telling you about what he can do, on Twitter.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

And getting those who badmouth him (Phonics) banned.

[Pepe]

So many great things happening in my neighborhood that I don't have time to care about this.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Is the coach arrested yet?

[Jimmy Floyd]

He saved them ffs.

[phonics]

1016684366083190785

What a fucking twat. You weren't there or involved. Shut the fuck up.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Too scared to post that on Twitter?

[Baz]

This is the first time I’ve heard of Elon Musk.

[Spikey M]

I don’t know who he is or what he does so I’m a bit stuck here.

I do like his Phonics annoying policy, but he does seem like a bit self important. Difficult.

[Giggles]

He makes electric cars and flamethrowers and was on the Big Bang Theory once. That's about the height of my knowledge.

[Shindig]

I'm still not sure what the point of sending his car into space was.

[Boydy]

I'm still not sure what the point of sending his car into space was.

Publicity.

[Gray Fox]

Sends rockets up and then lands them again, so they can re-use them. To show us his smarts.

[Shindig]

But NASA did that for years. Did nobody tell him?

[Lewis]

Them rockets are pretty great, but people seem to be under the impression that he designs them, rather than just shuffling debt around and being a good salesman.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Them rockets are pretty great, but people seem to be under the impression that he designs them, rather than just shuffling debt around and being a good salesman.

Post that on Twitter, I dare you.

[phonics]

Is the plan to keep trying that punchline until you get a :D out of someone? Because it was literally 6 posts ago.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm taking the whole 'if you don't succeed...' mantra absolutely literally.

I'm going to try the same thing over and over again.

[Spikey M]

Is the plan to keep trying that punchline until you get a :D out of someone? Because it was literally 6 posts ago.

Post that on Twitter, I dare you.

[neo_hippy]

Elon musk's wife though 😍😍

[Baz]

Elon musk's wife though ����
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/3/3c/Pinsir-GO.png/revision/latest?cb=20160809161723

[mugbull]

Musk is a twat yeah but a pretty smart fucking twat

[thommo]

That's the worst type of twat to be fair.

[mugbull]

Not if you’re actually doing shit, which he is

[phonics]

He's not doing shit though is he? He's just hiring other people to do shit in his name and then working them into the dust.

[Shindig]

He's funding shit. He's a big programming nerd but that's not been put to use since the dot-com bubble.

[Pepe]

Do you mean he's been funded by the state to pretend to do shit?

[mugbull]

He's not doing shit though is he? He's just hiring other people to do shit in his name and then working them into the dust.

Yes, he owns the companies that he created...

[phonics]

Yes, he owns the companies that he created...

Except none of it's actually his money or he'd be bankrupt several times over.

[Lewis]

Everything you read about Tesla makes you think that the major established car companies are just sitting there learning from its mistakes. It was briefly worth more than General Motors last year (it might still be), but its entire advanced order book for this new economy model would have kept Volkswagen busy for about three weeks. Once these giant companies feel like they have seen enough, and deem electric cars to be their leading products, they will cut its legs out from underneath it.

[Boydy]

Of course, mugbull likes Elon Musk.

[Shindig]

I like how his GT3 cars (which he plans on having a whole racing series based around) can't handle Spanish weather.

[mugbull]

Everything you read about Tesla makes you think that the major established car companies are just sitting there learning from its mistakes. It was briefly worth more than General Motors last year (it might still be), but its entire advanced order book for this new economy model would have kept Volkswagen busy for about three weeks. Once these giant companies feel like they have seen enough, and deem electric cars to be their leading products, they will cut its legs out from underneath it.

Tesla will probably forever be a luxury car company, but something like SpaceX has no parallels and will probably be the future of space travel. Tbh, what Musk does best is take things that are usually financed and organized by the state - another example is the Hyperloop stuff - and put it in the hands of a far more productive private sector. And he's actually capable of that.

[mugbull]

Of course, mugbull likes Elon Musk.

I don't like him or dislike him but the way he goes about doing the things he's doing is fucking innovative. To ignore that is to dig a hole into the ground, jump into it, and shoot yourself in the head. You wanna shoot yourself in the head? Probably not.

[Boydy]

I do if the alternative is reading your posts.

[Lewis]

Tesla will probably forever be a luxury car company, but something like SpaceX has no parallels and will probably be the future of space travel. Tbh, what Musk does best is take things that are usually financed and organized by the state - another example is the Hyperloop stuff - and put it in the hands of a far more productive private sector. And he's actually capable of that.

Yeah, SpaceX is cool, but I'm a bit of a cynic when it comes to all things space, so I don't see 'space travel' being worth much as a particularly sustainable earner.

[mugbull]

I do if the alternative is reading your posts.

Suck my candy-cane dick, my cum will be a gunshot to your face

[mugbull]

Yeah, SpaceX is cool, but I'm a bit of a cynic when it comes to all things space, so I don't see 'space travel' being worth much as a particularly sustainable earner.

In all honesty, the most financially sensible use of space travel I can think of in the near future is to make the moon a dumping ground for human-produced waste. Could clear up a lot of our problems and as long as we don’t discover any moon bears, doesn’t really leave us with an ethical conundrum either

[Lewis]

I once put that to my old scientist housemate (except it was just nuclear waste), and he reckoned it wasn't a goer because we might want to use the place one day. If we did write the moon off though as a waste ground it wouldn't need re-useable rockets, surely? We could just build cheap ones and slam them straight into it.

[Pepe]

Tbh, what Musk does best is take things that are usually financed and organized by the state - another example is the Hyperloop stuff - and put it in the hands of a far more productive private sector. And he's actually capable of that.

I don't know if SpaceX is more 'productive' than NASA was so I will concede that, but has he ever done what you claim he 'does best' any other time? Because the Hyperloop shit only works if by productive you mean imaginary.

[Pepe]

I once put that to my old scientist housemate (except it was just nuclear waste), and he reckoned it wasn't a goer because we might want to use the place one day. If we did write the moon off though as a waste ground it wouldn't need re-useable rockets, surely? We could just build cheap ones and slam them straight into it.

I would imagine that the main issue is cost. No one even wants to spend money on holes on the ground, who the hell will want to pay for rockets when you can just keep digging coal and be done with it?

[mugbull]

Also I think another goal is to make space travel a regular thing (not for us specifically, but for the species). There’s not too much crazy shit in terms of colonization that could be accomplished within our lifetimes, but over many generations...you could, if there were enough iterations, but that won’t happen if it remains a one-and-bust thing like the original moon landings were. Reusable rockets are step 1.0.0 of that whole process.

All told, when market forces come into play, the landfill option will probably be our best bet. But i think there’s a lot of opportunity on top of that.

[mugbull]

I don't know if SpaceX is more 'productive' than NASA was so I will concede that, but has he ever done what you claim he 'does best' any other time? Because the Hyperloop shit only works if by productive you mean imaginary.

It’s a pretty stupid idea if it never gets off the ground, but it’s a next level idea if it does happen. He’s got enough buy-in at this point for it be a realistic ambition. The very idea of a public infrastructure project of that magnitude being designed (more or less) open-sourced and financed by an independebt guy with his own company is insane, but I think that is fundamentally the direction that a lot of things will go in the future, regardless of whether Hyperloop itself is workable

[Lewis]

We will dispatch representations of ourselves, but the time and distances involved pretty much rule out any human space exploration beyond going for a wank on Mars. Where re-useable rockets come into that I don't know. Maybe if they were sent out from some orbiting space base there would be logistical applications. But if we're just blasting them straight off from here then the initial rocket phase seems like a pretty trivial thing, and not worth keeping something like SpaceX around for.

[Panda Bear]

Musk is using Tesla as proof of concept for batteries. The cars, while fun, are nearly irrelevant in the big picture.

[Pepe]

Batteries have been around for a long time. The concept has been proven already.

[Pepe]

It’s a pretty stupid idea if it never gets off the ground, but it’s a next level idea if it does happen. He’s got enough buy-in at this point for it be a realistic ambition. The very idea of a public infrastructure project of that magnitude being designed (more or less) open-sourced and financed by an independebt guy with his own company is insane, but I think that is fundamentally the direction that a lot of things will go in the future, regardless of whether Hyperloop itself is workable

That sounds like you're giving Musk credit for neoliberalism.

[Shindig]

Electric bikes aren't much better, sadly. Batteries weigh quite a bit.

[Lewis]

Even Jaguar have built themselves what is by all accounts a pretty good (if expensive) electric car, and they haven't built anything particularly well in about sixty years. Unless Tesla develops the next generation of batteries (that is to say new, rather than simply improved) then they can't stay ahead of the game.

[Pepe]

Do you mean that E-Pace thing or whatever it is called? It does look nice.

[neo_hippy]

The main problem with sending nuclear waste to the moon is that rockets blow up a little too often. You'd have a dirty bomb explode and send debris around half of the globe

[Lewis]

The I-Pace, yeah. Jaguar mate. They can even make some shit gimmick like that look mega.

EDIT: Good point. Back to dumping it in the Irish Sea it is.

[Spikey M]

The main problem with sending nuclear waste to the moon is that rockets blow up a little too often. You'd have a dirty bomb explode and send debris around half of the globe

Just launch it from somewhere shit like the desert or Florida (they have all the gear anyway).

[Disco]

If it explodes in the atmosphere it doesn't matter, it'll be everywhere.

That's not to say we can't nuke Florida anyway...

[bruhnaldo]

What the fuck man

[Jimmy Floyd]

Look on the bright side, it wouldn't harm the attendance at Marlins home games.

[bruhnaldo]

I can't believe I'm getting roasted about the Marlins on this website. I didn't realize the Marlins were a joke internationally, even.

This is a lot for me to take in. :worried:

[Giggles]

Hydrogen was the way forward instead of putting all the eggs in the battery basket.

[phonics]

Isn't the problem there that it's almost impossible to store hydrogen without it exploding?

[Pepe]

Hydrogen for what? Transportation? The issue is always cost. Separating hydrogen isn't cheap.

[Giggles]

It's obviously not currently but that's what technological progress is for. Couldn't be any slower than the progress in batteries.

[mugbull]

Good work Giggles. Back to the lab bright and early tomorrow.

[Lewis]

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lol

[mugbull]

Hundo P a PR stunt. They shouldve dropped Teslas in there and claimed the children had been brought back up via capillary action

[Henry]

In all honesty, the most financially sensible use of space travel I can think of in the near future is to make the moon a dumping ground for human-produced waste. Could clear up a lot of our problems and as long as we don’t discover any moon bears, doesn’t really leave us with an ethical conundrum either

That's alarmingly stupid, you know.

Apollo 19 this week. Cost $10 billion. What's the cargo? Last weeks rubbish from High Street.

[mugbull]

That's alarmingly stupid, you know.

Apollo 19 this week. Cost $10 billion. What's the cargo? Last weeks rubbish from High Street.

Yeah obviously wouldn't be rubbish, would it, and it wouldn't cost that large a sum because it's not trying to get back here. Or it is, in which case we build 20 of them and dispose of various forms of highly radioactive material that way.

[phonics]

Lolllll

Now he's out there calling the bloke in the video a paedophile.

But yeah my joke was definitely worth a Twitter ban.

[Disco]

It can't be stressed enough how fucking moronic it would be to put radioactive anything in close proximity to lots of rocket fuel and then fire it through the atmosphere. Let alone contract the work out to some schlub who made a few milk floats and is popular on Twitter.

[Lewis]

http://i66.tinypic.com/2a94nq9.jpg

:lol:

[Spikey M]

:D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45551895

Musk is being sued by the paedophile.

[SincereTheRebel]

Good, he got what he deserved. He shouldn't be making outrageous claims in the first place.

[Alex]

I don't claim to know anything about how these things work but, given the guys net worth and the number of Twitter followers he has, £57,000 seems like a relatively small price to pay for baselessly (I assume?) branding somebody a paedophile.

[Shindig]

Except Musk doubled down and said he had cast-iron evidence of the guy's child bride. So present that shit in court, Elon.

[niko_cee]

I don't claim to know anything about how these things work but, given the guys net worth and the number of Twitter followers he has, £57,000 seems like a relatively small price to pay for baselessly (I assume?) branding somebody a paedophile.

Presumably, the compensation you are seeking has to have some base in reality. Realistically, what has this whole spat cost Vernon? Obviously they have also left the 'punitive damages' kicker in there, which is where the big bucks can come. It's pretty hard to win this type of thing in furst 'mendment Murica, although Musk might actually have overcome the stupidity threshold needed with his second effort. Suing a billionaire though, only one winner there usually.

[Kikó]

I read the thread title as a Smith's song

[Shindig]

You could argue Elon's lost a lot more in share drops already.

[Disco]

As a result of other stupid things he said, not accusing someone of noncery.

[Ian]

Have I said on here before that a guy I used to work with loudly announced himself as a nonce in front of the whole team because, as he explained upon us giving him a collective "you're a what, now?" he thought it was a word for idiot?

[John]

Someone I worked with about ten years ago was outed as a nonce by one of those Facebook sting groups. I posted a clip of the video here a while back because his defence was 'I'm not a paedo, ask my mum'.

[phonics]

He's also being sued in England which will get to court quicker and means the burden of proof that he's a paedo is on Elon as well. He'll get 300k from that as well as whatever they settle for in the US.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

How did I miss that Simpsons meme, outstanding. :D

[Mazuuurk]

I read the thread title as a Smith's song

I think it sounds like some sort of disturbing child porno title.

[Spikey M]

Baz

[phonics]

The report is out.

Musk had an offer for $419 but said 420 to entertain his girlfriend. In response, the SEC has said that he should be barred from running any public company permanantly.

Considering what happened with the Theranos lady, who committed outright fraud on investors and outsiders alike and only got a 20 year ban, even I think that is overly harsh.

Ps anyone who wants a lol. Read the Theranos story. Henry Kissinger and his DOD friends losing millions betting on a woman pretending she was Steve Jobs is very funny.

[John Arne]

One of the young kids has recently died in the UK.

Not suspicious according to the old bill.

[John Arne]

I just watched the film of this - cracking effort by the British lads.

Whilst the film will obviously make it more dangerous, spending any amount of time in those caves is seriously fucking scary.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can't think of anywhere I want to be less than in a cave like that. Would take my chances in a tiger enclosure instead.

[Manc]

Only a pedo would voluntarily go into a cave full of kids.

[John Arne]

The way they got them out in the end is brutal, but effective.

Drugged them, literally tied them up like a little parcel... Dragged them halfway through, drugged them again, then dragged them through the final half ... Something like a 6hr journey.

[Spikey M]

I can't think of anywhere I want to be less than in a cave like that. Would take my chances in a tiger enclosure instead.

Between cave exploring and this:


https://youtu.be/INbKYq0G9nU

I am honestly not sure which I would choose.

I would probably hand myself into Guantanamo for questioning over either. Stick as many electrodes to by bollocks as you want lads. Pass me that hood.

[Bernanke]

Between cave exploring and this:


https://youtu.be/INbKYq0G9nU

I am honestly not sure which I would choose.

I would probably hand myself into Guantanamo for questioning over either. Stick as many electrodes to by bollocks as you want lads. Pass me that hood.

At first I was like "eh that doesn't seem that bad", then he went unhooked on the outside.

[Spikey M]

It's between that and this:


https://youtu.be/WaIoXN-7FjM

For the worst shit ever. Worse than anything Stephen King has ever come up with.

[Offshore Toon]

At least if you die whilst climbing something mega it'd be a glorious and quick death.

[Spikey M]

I wonder how long it would actually take to hit the ground from up there.

[Ian]

My possibly terrible googling puts it at 15-20 seconds.

[Yevrah]

It's between that and this:


https://youtu.be/WaIoXN-7FjM

For the worst shit ever. Worse than anything Stephen King has ever come up with.

That is absolutely horrific.

[John Arne]

My grandad did shit like that under Manchester in the 80's, digging into old canals. I went with him (and my uncles) a few times but was never brave enough to go inside. Not helped that they had built their own dam that looked like it would collapse any second.

[Kikó]

How is R1 doing?

[Lewis]

He must be fifty now lmao.

[Lewis]

Sorry. he must be fifty now lmao :thbgrin:

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I watched that cave video the other day, don't really understand the mentality of the people who go in these but each to their own.

See also; underwater cave diving. Nightmare fuel.

https://i.postimg.cc/6551FzKx/nf.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

:sick:

[Ian]

Playing Subnautica was enough for me to confirm that I really just don't want to be doing deep sea shit.

[Offshore Toon]

What possible reason is there to go into those caves if somebody has already explored them? At least climbing to mad heights has a great view.

[Giggles]

Between cave exploring and this:


https://youtu.be/INbKYq0G9nU

I am honestly not sure which I would choose.

I would probably hand myself into Guantanamo for questioning over either. Stick as many electrodes to by bollocks as you want lads. Pass me that hood.

My arsehole would clench itself into a knot even watching that video.

[Raoul Duke]

Playing Subnautica was enough for me to confirm that I really just don't want to be doing deep sea shit.

I'm still scarred by the underwater levels in Sonic The Hedgehog :uhoh:

[Lofty]

There is a series of videos on youtube I saw ages back which was all fatal diving accidents and it was harrowing yet compelling.