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Jimmy Floyd
01-10-2015, 06:57 PM
15 dead at Oregon Community College, shot by a lone gunman, according to Channel 5 News. Unfortunately the most surprising thing about this is that I'm watching Channel 5 News.

7om
01-10-2015, 06:59 PM
Another rendition of Amazing Grace or does he change it up this time?

Pepe
01-10-2015, 07:16 PM
Gun free zones. :harold:

Or something.

QE Harold Flair
01-10-2015, 07:17 PM
Any e-fits of the shooter yet? Turkish origin with a big nose?

Lewis
01-10-2015, 08:12 PM
https://archive.moe/r9k/thread/22785073

:gs:

Luke Emia
01-10-2015, 08:13 PM
More guns > Less guns

Pepe
01-10-2015, 08:17 PM
The state of that board.

Boydy
01-10-2015, 08:20 PM
https://archive.moe/r9k/thread/22785073

:gs:

What even is that place?

Pen
01-10-2015, 08:22 PM
I think the shooter posted there before going to campus.

John
01-10-2015, 08:24 PM
https://archive.moe/r9k/thread/22785073/#q22787588_184

:harold:

Those boards are the fucking worst.

Magic
01-10-2015, 08:27 PM
Some of the pre-murder advice. :D

Also lol @ two mass shooters posting on there.

Also bigger lol @ the BBC tech correspondent posting on there.

Pepe
01-10-2015, 08:30 PM
I heard once that some people lie in there but don't take my word for it.

Magic
01-10-2015, 08:33 PM
It really wouldn't surprise me if it was. Have you not seen House of Cards?

Luca
01-10-2015, 08:33 PM
I heard once that some people lie in there but don't take my word for it.

If you do take his word for it, I have some awesome beachfront property in Kansas that you might be interested in, Magic.

Magic
01-10-2015, 08:37 PM
That's not even a lie, is it?

Davgooner
01-10-2015, 08:54 PM
13 dead and at least 20 wounded.

Dquincy
01-10-2015, 08:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN3t3WtUO-Y

Utter madness.

Magic
01-10-2015, 08:59 PM
Looks like LeedsRevolution.

Raoul Duke
01-10-2015, 09:05 PM
It's just a shame nobody could have foreseen this happening

Mellberg
01-10-2015, 09:44 PM
That absolute plant pot in the above video has managed to kill 15 people? I know they were all unarmed children, but he looks like he'd drop his maccies at the sight of his own shadow.

John Arne
01-10-2015, 09:50 PM
If only all the students had guns.
Fucking limp wristed lefty liberals.

-james-
01-10-2015, 10:23 PM
https://archive.moe/r9k/thread/22785073/#q22785448

Someone's had a 'mare.

niko_cee
01-10-2015, 10:24 PM
An Ed-209 on every corner.

:drool:

Spoonsky
01-10-2015, 10:41 PM
I wonder if there's grounds to shut down 4chan for terrorism.

leedsrevolution
02-10-2015, 10:43 AM
Looks like LeedsRevolution.

:cry:

Toby
02-10-2015, 11:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN3t3WtUO-Y

Utter madness.

He looks like he's nearly crying at the end, and you can tell even he is cringing a bit at the shit he is saying. It's all a bit sad really - I guess in other countries people with crippling self confidence issues just find camgirls to make up stories about, rather than having the easy access to guns that makes something like this possible.

Davgooner
02-10-2015, 11:41 AM
Ouch.

randomlegend
02-10-2015, 11:43 AM
Least it gets them out and about.

Henry
02-10-2015, 01:03 PM
Obama has it right on this.

Yevrah
02-10-2015, 02:23 PM
He does. It's quite ridiculous that nothing will ever happen to change the situation though.

Benny
02-10-2015, 02:25 PM
@mert

Is he here?

Magic
02-10-2015, 02:50 PM
Did anyone hear that fucking lunatic preacher or whatever he was.

"If the students were allowed guns on campus this wouldn't have happened'

Davgooner
02-10-2015, 02:51 PM
He's not interested in joining because we don't have a hook-up culture.

Boydy
02-10-2015, 03:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN3t3WtUO-Y

Utter madness.

What is that?

Henry
02-10-2015, 04:31 PM
The new one that I'm hearing this time is that new laws wouldn't work, because murder is already illegal, and that didn't stop it.

Fucking hell.

Disco
02-10-2015, 04:39 PM
Oh well, might as well just legalise it then.

Pepe
02-10-2015, 04:41 PM
Think of the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN !

Disco
02-10-2015, 04:43 PM
If you legalised murder there'd be more of them...probably.

Pepe
02-10-2015, 04:46 PM
Only in murder free zones.

Dquincy
02-10-2015, 05:13 PM
Not sure if that video is the chap or not. Could just be Internet nonsense.

Disco
02-10-2015, 05:14 PM
It's not him.

Samadini
02-10-2015, 05:29 PM
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/16519/production/_85871419_85871418.jpg

Dquincy
02-10-2015, 05:30 PM
It's not him.
Who's the fella in the video then?

Disco
02-10-2015, 05:32 PM
Someone else.

AE
02-10-2015, 06:00 PM
I go to movies at 2pm because of that cinema shooting. Can't go anywhere these days without fearing for your life.

7om
02-10-2015, 06:08 PM
I didn't go and see the new Terminator movie because in the back of your mind you worry you're going to get Schwarzeneggered.

I've definitely softened towards America over the last year or so but there are certain things that I just can't accept and would never live here long term. Trump getting in just as my visa expires would be beautiful.

Angelsaint
02-10-2015, 06:26 PM
Americans... I had a Brazilian telling me that the solution of Brazil is to copy America. Of course he is living well in the communist Norway.

Americans are.... Scrap that, people are stupid.

Lewis
02-10-2015, 06:35 PM
Brazil being the ideal place to not get shot.

Angelsaint
02-10-2015, 06:38 PM
Brazil being the ideal place to not get shot. Same as the US. Difference is they will shoot to steal something while in the US it is cuz someone got bored.

Lewis
02-10-2015, 06:41 PM
Their gun murder (and non-specific murder) rate is miles above America.

Angelsaint
02-10-2015, 06:47 PM
Their gun murder (and non-specific murder) rate is miles above America.Don't know about that. Any Link? I don't like to comment on speculation.

Lewis
02-10-2015, 07:03 PM
Research on that.

Angelsaint
02-10-2015, 07:08 PM
Research on that.
Touché!
I will later.

Shindig
02-10-2015, 07:09 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Brazil's rate is nearly double the US. It's drug and poverty fueled whereas America's massacres are fueled by nutters.

Angelsaint
03-10-2015, 05:48 AM
Is that graph some kind of joke? Norway 3 times of the UK?

ItalAussie
03-10-2015, 06:06 AM
Is that graph some kind of joke? Norway 3 times of the UK?

Actually, it's not that crazy when you look at the numbers. Norway has a lower homicide rate, but much higher suicide rate.

Angelsaint
03-10-2015, 06:54 AM
Actually, it's not that crazy when you look at the numbers. Norway has a lower homicide rate, but much higher suicide rate.

Suicide rate is a myth. There was a study that showed that was almost 0 suicides rate in Norway or in the Nordic countries for that matter.

As true as polar bears walking in our streets.

elth
03-10-2015, 07:04 AM
Suicide rate is a myth. There was a study that showed that was almost 0 suicides rate in Norway or in the Nordic countries for that matter.

As true as polar bears walking in our streets.

There were 9,480 recorded suicides in Norway in the period 1990-2006, or 557 per year.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6963/11/68/

Magic
03-10-2015, 07:28 AM
In Brazil the only people who are involved in shootings are off-duty cops.

Niobium Knight
03-10-2015, 07:41 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Brazil's rate is nearly double the US. It's drug and poverty fueled whereas America's massacres are fueled by nutters.

Japan had 0.00 homicides with guns per 100,000 people.

Magic
03-10-2015, 07:59 AM
They just kill each other with vomit or asphyxiation.

Shindig
03-10-2015, 08:05 AM
Or Sarin gas. 17th in the world suicide rankings, mind.

Angelsaint
03-10-2015, 08:10 PM
There were 9,480 recorded suicides in Norway in the period 1990-2006, or 557 per year.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6963/11/68/
Read again. Don't trick with the stats.

Spoonsky
03-10-2015, 08:18 PM
I go to movies at 2pm because of that cinema shooting. Can't go anywhere these days without fearing for your life.

There are plenty of good reasons to go to a movie at 2pm, but that's just paranoid mate. That's like refusing to go on airplanes in Asia because that one Malaysian flight went missing.

Byron
06-10-2015, 06:48 AM
Not a mass shooting as such but...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34450841

I mean, what the fuck is wrong with that country?

niko_cee
06-10-2015, 07:13 AM
Would never have happened if the girl and the dog had also been armed.

Luca
06-10-2015, 07:17 AM
What I don't understand is why, beyond the child getting charged, the "responsible adult" (his undoubtedly inbred father) doesn't also get the book thrown at him. Allowing it to pass (loaded, I might add) into the hands of a child (or anyone unregistered to use a firearm, really) should in itself be a serious criminal offence.

Benny
06-10-2015, 08:07 AM
The kid's a wanker, no doubt about it, but it's hard to see how you can go through court proceedings for an 11 year old, he'll just not understand it. Or am I underselling how much a child that age knows? I'm trying to think back to when I was 11 (Year 5 is it?) and all I thought about was playing football/skating with my mates and kissing a girls.

Magic
09-10-2015, 12:22 PM
Another lunatic has shot up an Arizona campus.

John
09-10-2015, 01:01 PM
One dead, three wounded. The forty sixth school shooting this year. It's what, three in the lifetime of this board?

More guns, please.

Davgooner
09-10-2015, 01:13 PM
Hot on the back of this, as well:

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/10/07/woman-with-concealed-license-permit-opens-fire-on-shoplifting-suspect-in-home-depot-parking-lot/

But yeah, what's needed is more wankers who want to be heroes. There were a couple of guys on that college campus with concealed firearms whose chose not to get involved because they correctly recognised that it could only make the situation worse.

Spoonsky
10-10-2015, 02:22 AM
My cousin lives in Flagstaff, luckily she's out of town right now. There was one planned in Salt Lake City a couple years ago that ended up being caught by the police. This shit is scary.

Luca
10-10-2015, 02:23 AM
Come here for uni, Spoon.

Spoonsky
10-10-2015, 02:32 AM
McGill, mate.

Luca
10-10-2015, 03:05 AM
Canada's Harvard and that.

phonics
27-10-2015, 04:17 PM
659040361474629632

Active Shooter Training for pre-schoolers :cab:

Jimmy Floyd
27-10-2015, 04:25 PM
The great thing about having an unwritten constitution is that when shit needs getting done, it gets done. I saw some great stats the other day about how since we massively ramped up the stop and search in 2009 (Op Blunt), the number of teenage murders has been quartered. In America, meanwhile, you can have tens of these and their best idea is to train the public to respond.

Ian
03-11-2015, 10:41 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29064963/open-carry-becomes-focus-after-colorado-springs-shooting

"This guy's walking about the joint with a fucking rifle."
"You silly goose, we have 'open carry' here!"

John Arne
23-11-2015, 03:33 AM
16 people shot in New Orleans after 2 men walked into a crowded area and started to let rip.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/23/shooting-in-new-orleans-park-leaves-at-least-10-people-wounded

Shindig
23-11-2015, 06:18 AM
Y'see, that one is gang-related.

niko_cee
23-11-2015, 07:29 AM
Everyone had guns and no fatalities?

:sherlock:

I know it's bad, but I found this unreasonably amusing:


Her 14-year-old daughter was hit once in the knee and five times in her backside.

Magic
23-11-2015, 07:41 AM
Its ok when blacks do it. It's expected and tolerated. When a white person shoots shit up it's ban this ban that.

John Arne
23-11-2015, 07:47 AM
"WORLDSTAR BABY, WORLDSTAR!!!"



Caps.

Bernanke
27-11-2015, 11:33 PM
On-going thing at an abortion clinic. 4 officers shot, 1 might be dead. Several civilians dead.

White male, trenchcoat, AK-47.

John Arne
28-11-2015, 02:40 AM
Wait, were the fetuses not arm'd?

Pepe
28-11-2015, 03:38 AM
They worry so much about terrorist attacks on the other side of the world yet this shit happens on a weekly basis and they just brush it off. Bloody morons.

phonics
28-11-2015, 03:53 AM
Can I ask how yet another white suspect walks away with his life when a kid in Chicago gets hit 17 times by a cop and it takes a Freedom of Information request to even bring the fact that it happened into existence?

Pepe
28-11-2015, 04:01 AM
Best country in the world.

phonics
28-11-2015, 04:08 AM
By the by, I've spent the last week being peltered with abuse from internet people because of an apparent anti-black people bias in my tweeting/fbing after the Kansas/Missouri protests, it's amazing. I've been told that I hate black people and would suck them off at the chance.

I tried to explain to people that disagreeing doesn't equal disagreeing with the rest of it.Little to no interest.

John Arne
28-11-2015, 06:16 AM
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2015/10/DeathsVariousOct.png&w=1484

niko_cee
28-11-2015, 07:57 AM
What's the bottom stat, the percentage of people who can't read this chart?

John Arne
28-11-2015, 07:59 AM
Fixed.

niko_cee
28-11-2015, 08:01 AM
Impeach cancer!

John Arne
28-11-2015, 08:13 AM
They should give everyone cancer, to protect themselves from those with cancer.

John Arne
28-11-2015, 05:23 PM
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/robertlewisdear1.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all

Toby
28-11-2015, 05:48 PM
I've been told that I hate black people and would suck them off at the chance.

Err.

Bernanke
02-12-2015, 08:24 PM
https://www.reddit.com/live/w0nn1o5hu90y

Reddit live-thread of the new one.

Raoul Duke
02-12-2015, 08:30 PM
Sounds like some kind of neo Nazi mentalists.

Pepe
02-12-2015, 08:52 PM
Muslims, it is Muslims we need to worry about!

Davgooner
02-12-2015, 08:56 PM
They're now apparently turning over a hospital.

Magic
02-12-2015, 09:02 PM
Gunmen, not terrorists.

Davgooner
02-12-2015, 09:24 PM
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

Pretty good listen.

Benny
02-12-2015, 09:44 PM
What a shit world.

Queenslander
02-12-2015, 10:19 PM
The biggest load of propaganda that Americans go on about is that Australian gun laws were to stop homicides not mass shootings.

Well 352 mass shootings in 336 days in the US compared to 0 mass shootings in Australia in 336 days.

Jimmy Floyd
02-12-2015, 10:23 PM
To be fair to them, there's also the problem that America has a greater proportion of bent-headed fuckwits than any other western country.

Not doing anything about the gun laws is another thing on the Obama charge sheet actually. Doubt anyone will ever do it if he doesn't.

Magic
02-12-2015, 10:27 PM
How could he do anything about it?

phonics
02-12-2015, 10:43 PM
To be fair to them, there's also the problem that America has a greater proportion of bent-headed fuckwits than any other western country.

Not doing anything about the gun laws is another thing on the Obama charge sheet actually. Doubt anyone will ever do it if he doesn't.

Apart from the attempts he made that were blocked by the Republican controlled House?

:jeniferlawrenceokaygif:

Boydy
02-12-2015, 10:48 PM
You need to stop with that gif.

phonics
02-12-2015, 10:51 PM
Hence why I didn't use it. It's being put into storage.

ItalAussie
02-12-2015, 10:52 PM
To be fair to them, there's also the problem that America has a greater proportion of bent-headed fuckwits than any other western country.

Not doing anything about the gun laws is another thing on the Obama charge sheet actually. Doubt anyone will ever do it if he doesn't.

How was he meant to do something like that? The idea of implementing gun control in the US is as ludicrous as banning tea in England. Opposition to gun control in the populace increased after the Sandy Hook massacre. If you can't get it then, you'll never get it.

Obama spent his political capital on healthcare, and that was the right call. History will see that as a big success, in face of serious political opposition.

Boydy
02-12-2015, 10:53 PM
Hence why I didn't use it. It's being put into storage.

Allusions to it still count.

Magic
02-12-2015, 11:05 PM
We'll use it on him the next time he's patronising and authoritative on a subject he knows little about.

We really shouldn't have to wait that long. :eyemouth:

Davgooner
02-12-2015, 11:14 PM
There's a shootout going on, and they're also in pursuit of another vehicle.

Jimmy Floyd
02-12-2015, 11:15 PM
How was he meant to do something like that? The idea of implementing gun control in the US is as ludicrous as banning tea in England. Opposition to gun control in the populace increased after the Sandy Hook massacre. If you can't get it then, you'll never get it.

Obama spent his political capital on healthcare, and that was the right call. History will see that as a big success, in face of serious political opposition.

Yeah, but tea isn't killing us, Litvinenko aside. People will grow tired of that in the end. If they don't, then they deserve it.

ItalAussie
03-12-2015, 12:31 AM
Yeah, but tea isn't killing us, Litvinenko aside. People will grow tired of that in the end. If they don't, then they deserve it.

Preaching to the choir here. Although noone deserves that. :(

Spoonsky
03-12-2015, 12:32 AM
To be fair to them, there's also the problem that America has a greater proportion of bent-headed fuckwits than any other western country.

Not doing anything about the gun laws is another thing on the Obama charge sheet actually. Doubt anyone will ever do it if he doesn't.

Not sure you really understand how American politics works.

Lewis
03-12-2015, 12:34 AM
My friend in America sez that every time they get a shooting, or some terrorism happens, Facebook gets swamped with 'This is why we need Bernie...' essays.

Boom-Boom
03-12-2015, 12:42 AM
Do American news stations stream these police chases live?

Spoonsky
03-12-2015, 12:46 AM
My friend in America sez that every time they get a shooting, or some terrorism happens, Facebook gets swamped with 'This is why we need Bernie...' essays.

Really? That is a bit odd, given that gun control is probably the one area where Hillary's actually further to the left than Bernie is.

Lewis
03-12-2015, 12:47 AM
Bernie, mate. Bernie. He'd solve it regardless.

Jimmy Floyd
03-12-2015, 08:41 AM
Not sure you really understand how American politics works.
Oh I do. I just like slagging off Obama because everything about him screams useless twat to me, and yet he is fawned over here to an absolutely ludicrous extent. His 'approval' among Brits is up in the 70s or something even though in the one area that affects us, foreign policy, he's been crap. I think it's race guilt.

John Arne
03-12-2015, 04:15 PM
I still don't understand why photographers take so many pictures during press conferences. Have we not seen Obama's face before?

John Arne
03-12-2015, 04:18 PM
I just heard that the mighty USA has had more than 1 mass shooting every day in 2015.

But yeah, there's no problems.

Bernanke
03-12-2015, 04:43 PM
The Onion just re-posts this everytime now:

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-51938

Spoonsky
03-12-2015, 10:50 PM
Oh I do. I just like slagging off Obama because everything about him screams useless twat to me, and yet he is fawned over here to an absolutely ludicrous extent. His 'approval' among Brits is up in the 70s or something even though in the one area that affects us, foreign policy, he's been crap. I think it's race guilt.

You could call Obama a lot of things but I don't think useless is one of them. I'm not really sure what you expect from him. He got Obamacare done which even old Clinton couldn't do, and the Iran Deal was one of the few foreign policy successes in the past fifteen years or so. I hope the Trans-Pacific Partnership fails but that would be another one. Given the extent to which Republicans have controlled Congress I think he's done pretty well for himself.

In terms of his popularity you have to consider that anyone would seem like a savior coming off the back of Bush.

Lee
04-12-2015, 04:11 PM
This was an Islamist attack then. The bloke behind it had pledged allegiance to IS. Sorry, Daesh.

Boydy
04-12-2015, 04:16 PM
I'm surprised there aren't more Islamist attacks in America given how easy it is to get access to guns.

Magic
04-12-2015, 04:17 PM
I'm surprised people aren't fighting back given how many residents have guns.

Lee
04-12-2015, 04:19 PM
I thought this might go that way. They had bombs and guns, the FBI didn't rule out terrorism which they would normally do immediately, and the attackers had Muslim names. It being a workplace dispute sounded far-fetched to me.

IS-inspired rather than IS-organised though, you'd think. There has been no claim and it's a rubbish target.

phonics
04-12-2015, 04:37 PM
This was an Islamist attack then. The bloke behind it had pledged allegiance to IS. Sorry, Daesh.

Nah, it was his Wife who did that. A few of his co-workers said he was a normal guy until shacking up with her.

phonics
04-12-2015, 04:38 PM
IS-inspired rather than IS-organised though, you'd think. There has been no claim and it's a rubbish target.

Seems to come across as very much a self radicalised thing. The bombs made were from a Al-Qaeda magazine article called 'How to make bombs in your Moms kitchen' which, I have to say, is more infortmative than the majority of Cosmo articles.

Lewis
04-12-2015, 04:40 PM
I've tried adding a California flag to my Facebook picture, but that big fucking bear in the middle means people won't know it's me grieving. Please advise.

phonics
04-12-2015, 04:42 PM
In other Gun related news. America will have a QVC-esque Shopping Channel dedicated to shooting people in the face.

"The ease and convenience of purchasing firearms will be as simple as consumers calling a toll-free number and placing their order,"

Sounds fantastic.


http://europe.newsweek.com/guntv-24-hour-sales-channel-400319?rm=eu

Henry
04-12-2015, 04:43 PM
Paranooid gun nuts will have their heads explode now. Hatred of Muslims versus love of weapons. Ohnoes!

Lee
04-12-2015, 04:44 PM
Nah, it was his Wife who did that. A few of his co-workers said he was a normal guy until shacking up with her.

Yeah I've just seen. That's like me being into sewing and clothes shopping, the soft twat.

phonics
04-12-2015, 04:44 PM
"Only Christians can purchase weapons"

Pepe
04-12-2015, 04:49 PM
I've tried adding a California flag to my Facebook picture, but that big fucking bear in the middle means people won't know it's me grieving. Please advise.

If you get the transparency right you will be able to show your support for COMMIEFORNIA while also being able to ask for reparations. Win-win.

Lewis
04-12-2015, 04:59 PM
The female Muslamics baffle me. You can understand the likes of Taz going out there for a bit of adventure and self-esteem, because you can't get your certainty-backed, macho beheading fix elsewhere; but there must be easier ways for a disenfranchised young lass to get smacked into servitude (right Hammer?).

phonics
04-12-2015, 05:05 PM
Reading a few surveillance sites and the interesting thing they're noting is the Facebook post (under a different previously unlinked account) wasn't found via an IP but actually Facebooks internal facial recognition program that it uses to suggest friends to tag in photos.

John Arne
04-12-2015, 05:34 PM
We should swap surveillance websites, I think I'm missing a few.

Magic
04-12-2015, 05:46 PM
And to make it even more weird his brother is a decorated US Navy veteran.

phonics
04-12-2015, 05:56 PM
We should swap surveillance websites, I think I'm missing a few.

Emptywheel is my favourite on surveillance/cyber security stuff myself.

phonics
04-12-2015, 06:18 PM
MSNBC is currently going through their house. It's a total shit show. Highlights include rummaging through childrens toys, showing the; driving license, credit card and social security numbers of the sister. Many jokes ensue online and then a guy straight up walks out of the house carrying this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVZlvAkWwAAuzgH.jpg:large

There's no need for satire any more.

John Arne
04-12-2015, 06:22 PM
Surely they are trespassing? Where are the police?

phonics
04-12-2015, 06:32 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVZm21HWEAAeXYR.jpg:large

So, so good.

I'd love to watch them watching this stuff back.

Anderson Cooper is presenting this nightmare unfolding while wanting nothing to do with it. It's a post-modern art installation on 24 hour news created by 24 hour news.

phonics
04-12-2015, 06:41 PM
672845874922418178

Bernanke
04-12-2015, 07:15 PM
I saw a clip of Anderson Cooper trying to handle the shit-show. He constantly looked like he wanted to yell "this is a bad idea, you know that right?". :D

phonics
04-12-2015, 07:19 PM
672853497843425281

phonics
04-12-2015, 07:22 PM
I saw a clip of Anderson Cooper trying to handle the shit-show. He constantly looked like he wanted to yell "this is a bad idea, you know that right?". :D

Could you link it. I've been mostly following through Twitter. Politics Vine game is poor.

Bernanke
04-12-2015, 07:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IQWdRlUoAM

Magic
04-12-2015, 07:31 PM
Amazing Storyville about undercover FBI informants. The guy didn't notify the FBI he was filming all this.

edit : Holy fuck plot twist.

Magic
04-12-2015, 08:40 PM
Lads you need to watch that on iPlayer.

Byron
03-01-2016, 05:35 AM
Bump.

So Obama is now considering what powers he can use with regards to gun laws without Congress' say so. Does anyone (including Mert if he can stay off the ANTI-LIBERUL rhetoric) know exactly what he can do without approval from Congress?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35211294

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 08:02 AM
Bump.

So Obama is now considering what powers he can use with regards to gun laws without Congress' say so. Does anyone (including Mert if he can stay off the ANTI-LIBERUL rhetoric) know exactly what he can do without approval from Congress?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35211294

Not much constitutionally, but Obama doesn't care much for legality. Curious to see what he'll come up with.

John Arne
03-01-2016, 08:09 AM
Guns don't kill people, legality does.

mugbull
03-01-2016, 01:28 PM
Actually, he has leeway to do essentially what he wants through Executive Orders. Of course if he does something crazy there are legislative repercussions, but in theory he could issue an order that says anythinb

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 01:43 PM
Actually, he has leeway to do essentially what he wants through Executive Orders. Of course if he does something crazy there are legislative repercussions, but in theory he could issue an order that says anythinb

...that's not true. He can act only within the boundaries of the enumerated powers given to the Executive branch in the Constitution (and Executive Orders in particular are subject to judicial review i.e. can be deemed unconstitutional).

I guess theoretically since he's commander-in-chief he can do whatever he wants and then say "watcha gunna do about it'" but that would probably lead to him immediately getting impeached.

mugbull
03-01-2016, 01:48 PM
The Court is not going to deem an executive order on gun control unconstitutional.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 01:51 PM
The Court is not going to deem an executive order on gun control unconstitutional.

I mean if it was unconstitutional they would. That's why I'm curious to see what exactly he's planning on doing, because I'm not sure how much leeway he has to do anything meaningful.

John
03-01-2016, 02:09 PM
The Court is not going to deem an executive order on gun control unconstitutional.

Have you forgotten where you are?

John Arne
03-01-2016, 02:32 PM
Surely he could just red-tape the shit out of the process? Technically, everyone can still own a gun - but the process is a bureaucratic nightmare/clusterfuck...

Either way, this whole things feel like too little, too late.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 03:01 PM
Have you forgotten where you are?

Yes one of those crazy nations that believes in the democratic process over tyrannical decrees. Backwards I know.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 03:02 PM
Surely he could just red-tape the shit out of the process? Technically, everyone can still own a gun - but the process is a bureaucratic nightmare/clusterfuck...

Either way, this whole things feel like too little, too late.

Uh no. He doesn't get to decide how gun ownership is regulated, that's left to the States and Congress.

John Arne
03-01-2016, 03:08 PM
Looks like you're fucked then.

Boydy
03-01-2016, 03:31 PM
Do you own a gun, Mert?

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 03:33 PM
Looks like you're fucked then.

Lol I know democracy and checks and balances are so stupid haha

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 03:34 PM
Do you own a gun, Mert?

Can't own one on campus so I do not. Will 100% buy one once I graduate.

John Arne
03-01-2016, 03:37 PM
Lol I know democracy and checks and balances are so stupid haha

I'm talking about the idea of gun control, not the process of government.

Apologies for hoping that your country could become safer.

mugbull
03-01-2016, 03:38 PM
Yes one of those crazy nations that believes in the democratic process over tyrannical decrees. Backwards I know.

Your soul and lifeblood Ronald Reagan issued more executive orders than any president in the last 50 years. Suck on it, you bitch

Pepe
03-01-2016, 04:01 PM
The chimpouts if he goes ahead and bans guns. :drool:

Would even make the next debate worth watching. Maybe.

John Arne
03-01-2016, 04:06 PM
Can't own one on campus so I do not. Will 100% buy one once I graduate.

Why will you buy one? Do you feel scared?

Pepe
03-01-2016, 04:10 PM
Because freedomz!

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 04:19 PM
I'm talking about the idea of gun control, not the process of government.

Apologies for hoping that your country could become safer.

Yes and the means by which you're hoping it gets accomplished is undemocratic.


Your soul and lifeblood Ronald Reagan issued more executive orders than any president in the last 50 years. Suck on it, you bitch

I have no issues with Executive Orders (as long as they are Constitutional), there is a firm historical precedence in their use and they are a fundamental tool in ensuring the "Take Care" clause is responsibly executed.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 04:20 PM
The chimpouts if he goes ahead and bans guns. :drool:

Would even make the next debate worth watching. Maybe.

He can't. He has no power whatsoever to do so. An executive order cannot contravene the Constitution.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 04:21 PM
Why will you buy one? Do you feel scared?

Why not? So I can protect myself and for recreational use.

John Arne
03-01-2016, 04:26 PM
Mert, given that you value the Constitution so much - if they were to make an amendment and outlaw the ownership of guns - would you the support the ban on gun ownership?

John Arne
03-01-2016, 04:27 PM
Why not? So I can protect myself and for recreational use.

Protect yourself from what? Would you keep the weapon locked up somewhere safe, or hide it under the pillow?

Lewis
03-01-2016, 04:27 PM
If the gay business is anything to go by, it's easier for the Supreme Court to re-write the dictionary than cause the government problems.

Davgooner
03-01-2016, 04:36 PM
When the Republicans are quite happy to just obstruct and let everything go down the shitter, he'd probably have been better served taking this approach much earlier on.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 04:39 PM
Mert, given that you value the Constitution so much - if they were to make an amendment and outlaw the ownership of guns - would you the support the ban on gun ownership?

I mean it would be the Law of the Land. I wouldn't agree with it, just like I don't agree with other laws, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't support its enforcement.


Protect yourself from what? Would you keep the weapon locked up somewhere safe, or hide it under the pillow?

In an accessible safe.


If the gay business is anything to go by, it's easier for the Supreme Court to re-write the dictionary than cause the government problems.

Ehh kinda, the original intent of the 14th Amendment almost certainly was never intended to apply to marriage equality (but it kinda sorta could if you squinted hard enough; deliberately vague language to apply to unforeseeable future circumstances and all that). With the case of the gun regulation, there is far far less flexibility. But then again the Commerce Clause was never meant to be used to force desegregation of private businesses and yet you had the Civil Rights Act of 1964 upheld. So yes there are cases where the Supreme Court will twist itself into a doctrinal pretzel to get out the outcome it desires, but really only does so in practice when the compelling moral/public interest/consensus is so undeniable that to rule otherwise would seriously damage the integrity/legitimacy of the Court itself in the public eye.

tl;dr: The court won't let Obama get away with any sort of significant Executive overreach on gun control

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 04:42 PM
When the Republicans are quite happy to just obstruct and let everything go down the shitter, he'd probably have been better served taking this approach much earlier on.

That's what they're supposed to do you realize? Checks and balances exist for a reason. Maybe Obama would have been better off and the government more productive if he was more willing to meet the Republicans half way with desired legislation.

Lewis
03-01-2016, 04:49 PM
Ehh kinda, the original intent of the 14th Amendment almost certainly was never intended to apply to marriage equality (but it kinda sorta could if you squinted hard enough; deliberately vague language to apply to unforeseeable future circumstances and all that). With the case of the gun regulation, there is far far less flexibility. But then again the Commerce Clause was never meant to be used to force desegregation of private businesses and yet you had the Civil Rights Act of 1964 upheld. So yes there are cases where the Supreme Court will twist itself into a doctrinal pretzel to get out the outcome it desires, but really only does so in practice when the compelling moral/public interest/consensus is so undeniable that to rule otherwise would seriously damage the integrity/legitimacy of the Court itself in the public eye.

tl;dr: The court won't let Obama get away with any sort of significant Executive overreach on gun control

You should be right, but if he has the balls to try it I reckon they will let him get away with it. They will always take the cowardly decision, and 'legitimacy' these days means how much grief they get in the trendy newspapers, so it will end up being easier to come up with some nonsense decision and ride it out.

John Arne
03-01-2016, 05:00 PM
I mean it would be the Law of the Land. I wouldn't agree with it, just like I don't agree with other laws, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't support its enforcement.

Would you support enforcement for an amendment to the Constitution, whether you personally agreed with it or not?

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 05:02 PM
You should be right, but if he has the balls to try it I reckon they will let him get away with it. They will always take the cowardly decision, and 'legitimacy' these days means how much grief they get in the trendy newspapers, so it will end up being easier to come up with some nonsense decision and ride it out.

I don't think we're quite there yet (court has rebuked Obama on some more minor less controversial power grabs), but we're close enough that it's not totally unfeasible. Which is why we need to elect King Trump to clear out all the cuckservatives and cuckliberals and make America Great Again.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRL9M3oWsAAAztB.jpg:large

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 05:04 PM
Would you support enforcement for an amendment to the Constitution, whether you personally agreed with it or not?

I wouldn't support the Amendment, but after it passed of course I would support its enforcement (although I think if guns were banned I would be living in the newly seceded Republic of Texas at that point).

Lewis
03-01-2016, 05:06 PM
'Cuckservative' is the word of 2015.

Luca
03-01-2016, 05:18 PM
Serious question: if the government wanted to subjugate and oppress the people, is an armed populace really going to be able to stop the full might of the US WAR MACHINE? Or does the line of thinking go that an armed populace acts as a deterrent? Because for me, the smart money is with heavily trained soldiers, automatic weapons, etc.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 05:22 PM
Serious question: if the government wanted to subjugate and oppress the people, is an armed populace really going to be able to stop the full might of the US WAR MACHINE? Or does the line of thinking go that an armed populace acts as a deterrent? Because for me, the smart money is with heavily trained soldiers, automatic weapons, etc.

It's a deterrent which raises the potential cost of enforcing a policy of subjugation/oppression; who would be easier to subdue, a populace armed to the teeth or one which has no means of fighting back? And additionally, it provides the capacity for sustained guerrilla warfare even if/when major population centers were brought under control.

And anyways it's a fundamental Natural Right to bear arms, amirite guys?

John Arne
03-01-2016, 05:27 PM
Do you think the soldiers of the US would go along with a Government instruction to take control of the streets (which they already have control of anyway)...

Jimmy Floyd
03-01-2016, 05:32 PM
You are not rite.

Davgooner
03-01-2016, 06:00 PM
That's what they're supposed to do you realize? Checks and balances exist for a reason. Maybe Obama would have been better off and the government more productive if he was more willing to meet the Republicans half way with desired legislation.

It's not checks and balances, it's an ideological desire to stop the government functioning. That's literally their aim. You only have to look at the flak Ryan's receiving at the minute.

Lewis
03-01-2016, 06:08 PM
If people had actually voted for these Republican majorities than you could argue that people want them to obstruct the government; but the fact they were just installed by Fox and the Koch Brothers makes them illegitimate as far as I'm concerned.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 06:09 PM
It's not checks and balances, it's an ideological desire to stop the government functioning. That's literally their aim. You only have to look at the flak Ryan's receiving at the minute.

No. The Congress is acting exactly how it's supposed to act and there is plenty of historic precedent on both sides of the aisles of similar periods of seemingly intractable partisanship. There are more Republicans right now holding public office than at any point since Reconstruction Era following the Civil War. This is how democracy works, Obama's policies have been totally repudiated at the ballot box.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 06:11 PM
If people had actually voted for these Republican majorities than you could argue that people want them to obstruct the government; but the fact they were just installed by Fox and the Koch Brothers makes them illegitimate as far as I'm concerned.

I would have maybe gave credence to this a year ago, but the Establishment's total failure in bringing down Trump shows that the Republican base has far more of an independent streak than Democrats would claim.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 06:12 PM
Do you think the soldiers of the US would go along with a Government instruction to take control of the streets (which they already have control of anyway)...

If the government ordered wide scale confiscation of weapons there would be a revolution. So no.

John Arne
03-01-2016, 06:16 PM
That reminds me of something... I was watching a video and some presenter mentioned the Civil War clearly in the context of the English Civil War, to which the American guests all assumed that 'Civil War' was the American Civil War, and didn't understand why the American Civil War had been involved in this context. The presenter had to remind them that there has been more than one Civil War. God, some Americans are dumb.

John
03-01-2016, 06:23 PM
Yes one of those crazy nations that believes in the democratic process over tyrannical decrees. Backwards I know.

Not even related to the point I was making. Well done.

These nutters who have taken over a wildlife refuge seem like they have the potential to shoot a few people.

Davgooner
03-01-2016, 06:43 PM
No. The Congress is acting exactly how it's supposed to act and there is plenty of historic precedent on both sides of the aisles of similar periods of seemingly intractable partisanship. There are more Republicans right now holding public office than at any point since Reconstruction Era following the Civil War. This is how democracy works, Obama's policies have been totally repudiated at the ballot box.

History will judge that Obama's biggest mistake was attempting to work with the Republicans. They don't want any of it and he was a fool to try that approach.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 07:47 PM
History will judge that Obama's biggest mistake was attempting to work with the Republicans. They don't want any of it and he was a fool to try that approach.

Err what? His mistake was trying to take part in the democratic process instead of ruling unilaterally like a dictator? Are you listening to yourself, this is why people think all Leftists are crazy authoritarians who see democracy merely as an inconvenience standing in the way of them implementing their deluded world view.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 07:52 PM
Not even related to the point I was making. Well done.

These nutters who have taken over a wildlife refuge seem like they have the potential to shoot a few people.

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

- Thomas Jefferson

"Whenever the Legislators endeavor to take away, and destroy the Property of the People, or to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power, they put themselves into a state of War with the People, who are thereupon absolved from any farther Obedience, and are left to the common Refuge, which God hath provided for all Men, against Force and Violence. Whensoever therefore the Legislative shall transgress this fundamental Rule of Society; and either by Ambition, Fear, Folly or Corruption, endeavor to grasp themselves, or put into the hands of any other an Absolute Power over the Lives, Liberties, and Estates of the People; By this breach of Trust they forfeit the Power, the People had put into their hands, for quite contrary ends, and it devolves to the People, who have a Right to resume their original Liberty."

- John Locke

Davgooner
03-01-2016, 08:07 PM
Err what? His mistake was trying to take part in the democratic process instead of ruling unilaterally like a dictator? Are you listening to yourself, this is why people think all Leftists are crazy authoritarians who see democracy merely as an inconvenience standing in the way of them implementing their deluded world view.

They have no interest in working with him and never have. As such, he's only played into their hands by trying to do so.

Anyway, you actually going to vote for Trump?

John Arne
03-01-2016, 08:17 PM
Mert genuinely thinks everybody who doesn't agree with the every single one of the Republican doctrine's is a "leftist", doesn't he??

Magic
03-01-2016, 08:21 PM
"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

- Thomas Jefferson

"Whenever the Legislators endeavor to take away, and destroy the Property of the People, or to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power, they put themselves into a state of War with the People, who are thereupon absolved from any farther Obedience, and are left to the common Refuge, which God hath provided for all Men, against Force and Violence. Whensoever therefore the Legislative shall transgress this fundamental Rule of Society; and either by Ambition, Fear, Folly or Corruption, endeavor to grasp themselves, or put into the hands of any other an Absolute Power over the Lives, Liberties, and Estates of the People; By this breach of Trust they forfeit the Power, the People had put into their hands, for quite contrary ends, and it devolves to the People, who have a Right to resume their original Liberty."

- John Locke

Those quotes make sense if you take in to account the times they were made. Fucking stupid now.

John Arne
03-01-2016, 08:22 PM
"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

- Thomas Jefferson

"Whenever the Legislators endeavor to take away, and destroy the Property of the People, or to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power, they put themselves into a state of War with the People, who are thereupon absolved from any farther Obedience, and are left to the common Refuge, which God hath provided for all Men, against Force and Violence. Whensoever therefore the Legislative shall transgress this fundamental Rule of Society; and either by Ambition, Fear, Folly or Corruption, endeavor to grasp themselves, or put into the hands of any other an Absolute Power over the Lives, Liberties, and Estates of the People; By this breach of Trust they forfeit the Power, the People had put into their hands, for quite contrary ends, and it devolves to the People, who have a Right to resume their original Liberty."

- John Locke

Anything from the last 200 years?

Mert - I think it's fair to say that pretty much everybody on this forum disagrees with the majority of your political views - do you think that we are all left wing nutters? Do you think, for one second, that perhaps your views are so entrenched in the Rep. dogma that you could possible be diving off the other end of the scale?

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 08:31 PM
Those quotes make sense if you take in to account the times they were made. Fucking stupid now.


Anything from the last 200 years?

Mert - I think it's fair to say that pretty much everybody on this forum disagrees with the majority of your political views - do you think that we are all left wing nutters? Do you think, for one second, that perhaps your views are so entrenched in the Rep. dogma that you could possible be diving off the other end of the scale?

"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

- George Santaya

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 08:37 PM
They have no interest in working with him and never have. As such, he's only played into their hands by trying to do so.

Anyway, you actually going to vote for Trump?

You realize Republicans say the same thing about Obama right? You realize that it's consistently Republicans who have been forced to concede and compromise in the last 7 years, to the extent that the base has gotten so sick of compromising that they are about to nominate Donald Trump? The Left has never had any interest in compromising or moderation, only in an unhalting march towards achieving their vision at all costs.

If he's the Republican nominee, I will absolutely vote for Trump over the criminal sociopath queen of cronyism which is Hillary Clinton.


Mert genuinely thinks everybody who doesn't agree with the every single one of the Republican doctrine's is a "leftist", doesn't he??

Absolutely not. There are a number of valid points that could be made in response to the arguments I present, however nobody is informed enough to make them (which leads me to believe that most people on this forum are very ignorant as to the actual underlying principles informing the ideas they espouse; it's all emotions and environment).

Lee
03-01-2016, 08:42 PM
Is mert saying he is too clever for us? Fuck me. :D

Byron
03-01-2016, 08:44 PM
No he's saying that nobody is informed enough to prove him wrong.

Wait, that means the same thing? Well fuck me.

Spoonsky
03-01-2016, 08:47 PM
And here I thought the thread would be about this at the moment: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/us/armed-group-vows-to-hold-federal-wildlife-office-in-oregon-for-years.html

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 08:48 PM
And here I thought the thread would be about this at the moment: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/us/armed-group-vows-to-hold-federal-wildlife-office-in-oregon-for-years.html

It was for a little bit. Check out my quotes they're good.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 08:51 PM
No he's saying that nobody is informed enough to prove him wrong.

Wait, that means the same thing? Well fuck me.

What I'm saying is, there are real legitimate arguments you could make where I would go, 'well, yes, I guess there is some ambiguity and I can see how rationally you could interpret the facts to come up with this contrary conclusion', but all I'm getting is 'Obama should just fix gun control by royal decree' as if that is something that is feasible or desirable.

Davgooner
03-01-2016, 08:54 PM
The Left has never had any interest in compromising or moderation, only in an unhalting march towards achieving their vision at all costs.
.

That's bollocks. The conservatives naturally want nothing to change; their donors are doing really well from it, thus they're happy to try to shutdown government. Did you see Graham's exit announcement? "Please please don't change anything." Alas it's Sunday night and fuck it, believe what you want. The race thus far has been top viewing and the build-up to the election should be immense.

I meant more the caucuses. No idea where you are in the country though.

Spoonsky
03-01-2016, 08:57 PM
It was for a little bit. Check out my quotes they're good.

Imagine, just imagine if they were Muslims wot done it.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 09:00 PM
Imagine, just imagine if they were Muslims wot done it.

Nothing would be different if they were protesting tyrannical local intrusion by the federal government in contravention of the 10th Amendment.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 09:02 PM
That's bollocks. The conservatives naturally want nothing to change; their donors are doing really well from it, thus they're happy to try to shutdown government. Did you see Graham's exit announcement? "Please please don't change anything." Alas it's Sunday night and fuck it, believe what you want. The race thus far has been top viewing and the build-up to the election should be immense.

I meant more the caucuses. No idea where you are in the country though.

You realize the Democrats used to routinely shut down the government too right? The government was shut down five times under Reagan; that's the entire point of giving Congress the Power of the Purse and having Congressional elections every two years. Checks and balances.

Spoonsky
03-01-2016, 09:03 PM
Nothing would be different if they were protesting tyrannical local intrusion by the federal government in contravention of the 10th Amendment.

https://twitter.com/IanKullgren/status/683524884484390912

If Muslims were doing it it would be a terrorist crisis. You know that's true as well.

Here's a quote for you: "Terrorism: the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." - The Dictionary

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 09:06 PM
https://twitter.com/IanKullgren/status/683524884484390912?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

If Muslims were doing it it would be a terrorist crisis. You know that's true as well.

No it wouldn't. Just totally baseless conjecture. This is as much of a 'terrorist crisis' as BLM occupying the president's office in Princeton, except in this case there are legitimate existing redressable grievances at issue.

Spoonsky
03-01-2016, 09:07 PM
The people in Princeton are non-violent. There's a massive different between the two.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 09:10 PM
The people in Princeton are non-violent. There's a massive different between the two.

Yeah how many injuries and deaths in Oregon so far?

There's plenty of historic precedent for this sort of localized rebellion against tyranny anyways, it was encouraged by the founders and one of the underlying justifications for the right to bear arms. Here's an example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

Here is an academic article discussing the insurrectionary theory behind the 2nd Amendment:

http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5203&context=faculty_scholarship

Jimmy Floyd
03-01-2016, 09:46 PM
It's the same logical process to that which has certain Islamic clerics arguing that because certain conditions prevailed at the time of the Prophet, they should prevail for all time. God, I hope we never have a written constitution.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 09:54 PM
It's the same logical process to that which has certain Islamic clerics arguing that because certain conditions prevailed at the time of the Prophet, they should prevail for all time. God, I hope we never have a written constitution.

Except for the minor detail that you can amend the Constitution as social norms evolve :nuts:

Anyways, how's that increasing criminalization of free speech treating you there buddy?

Davgooner
03-01-2016, 10:09 PM
A post of mine in here has disappeared.

Pepe
03-01-2016, 10:10 PM
God, I hope we never have a written constitution.

Best part is that the whole thing is like three pages long. I lolled when I first saw it. Even our constitution is a mammoth document.

Jimmy Floyd
03-01-2016, 10:22 PM
Except for the minor detail that you can amend the Constitution as social norms evolve :nuts:

Anyways, how's that increasing criminalization of free speech treating you there buddy?

Which has happened just 27 times in 230 years? Sure thing.

It's treating me alright actually.

Bartholomert
03-01-2016, 10:26 PM
Which has happened just 27 times in 230 years? Sure thing.

It's treating me alright actually.

Yeah it was that good.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

:thbgrin:

Jimmy Floyd
03-01-2016, 10:35 PM
I'm pretty sure citing that poem is unconstitutional.

mugbull
03-01-2016, 11:45 PM
Obama and Anderson Chicken Cooper are gonna talk live on air in a little bit about guns and the executive actions. Keep your eyes peeled boys and girls.

Pepe
03-01-2016, 11:50 PM
I'll wait for Fox to tell me what to think.

I'm sure you will all be pleased to know that the other day while riding my bicycle a black Mercedes passed me awfully close despite having a full empty lane for him to use. Lo and behold, he was donning a TRUMP sticker on his back window. If that doesn't change mert's mind I don't know what will.

Magic
03-01-2016, 11:51 PM
#factsarentracist on twitter is amazing.

Pepe
03-01-2016, 11:52 PM
Give us the highlights.

Magic
03-01-2016, 11:54 PM
Mostly moaning about liberals. I haven't really seen any liberal tweets though.

Bartholomert
04-01-2016, 12:06 AM
#factsarentracist on twitter is amazing.

Facts are all fun and games in furthering your political cause until you start realizing that scientific racism and eugenics were totally rational fields of study with a lot of basis and relevance to the modern world.

Then it gets uncomfortable (and dare I say, immoral). Maybe best to pretend to be liberal/idealistic on some issues for the sake of social harmony/equality.

Jimmy Floyd
04-01-2016, 12:08 AM
When I made this thread I didn't think there would necessarily be echoes of Reinhard Heydrich as early as page five, but it's good to know his spirit lives on.

Bartholomert
04-01-2016, 12:12 AM
Honestly bro I just want to hold hands with people of all religions and ethnic groups under a rainbow and then afterwards be allowed to exploit them in peace within a minarchist governing framework using my privilege and superior economic value in the global market. That's all.

Bartholomert
04-01-2016, 07:56 PM
"Clinton: Aliens may have visited us already"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/264650-clinton-aliens-may-have-visited-us-already

John Arne
04-01-2016, 08:12 PM
Facts are all fun and games in furthering your political cause until you start realizing that scientific racism and eugenics were totally rational fields of study with a lot of basis and relevance to the modern world.

Could you expand on your remarks regarding eugenics?

Bartholomert
04-01-2016, 08:23 PM
Could you expand on your remarks regarding eugenics?

Nah.

phonics
05-01-2016, 05:35 PM
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Bruh, you can't be President and cry.

Boydy
05-01-2016, 05:38 PM
The big thing he's introducing is background checks for all gun purchases? How was that not already a thing?

Fucking hell.

Lewis
05-01-2016, 05:45 PM
Bruh, you can't be President and cry.

True. Grow up, Barry.

Magic
05-01-2016, 05:47 PM
The big thing he's introducing is background checks for all gun purchases? How was that not already a thing?

Fucking hell.

It's a violation of rights and unconstitutional.

Yevrah
05-01-2016, 05:52 PM
The big thing he's introducing is background checks for all gun purchases? How was that not already a thing?

Fucking hell.

You can buy sub-machine guns in some states without even showing ID, no?

You need to do that to buy a fucking tv in the UK.

Magic
05-01-2016, 05:53 PM
You can buy a small rifle and ammo at convenience stores whilst you're getting milk and eggs.

Magic
05-01-2016, 05:55 PM
Introducing background checks now is like Sweden implementing border controls. :harold:

Pepe
05-01-2016, 06:03 PM
When will this go in effect? Need to stock up before!

Boydy
05-01-2016, 06:18 PM
You can buy sub-machine guns in some states without even showing ID, no?

You need to do that to buy a fucking tv in the UK.

Surely you need to show ID so it's at least registered to you? No?

Pepe
05-01-2016, 06:23 PM
Not quite walking into a grocery store and buying one but:


Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks on buyers, record the sale, or ask for identification.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

Lewis
09-01-2016, 12:44 AM
BREAKING: Somebody described as 'looking like a right little div' has opened fire at an organic cafe in Salt Lake City, Utah, before turning the gun on his badly-dressed self. There are no reports of others being killed or wounded.

Pepe
09-01-2016, 12:50 AM
Ffs Spoons, what have you done.

Boydy
09-01-2016, 12:52 AM
Why would he shoot up an organic cafe? Those are his people.