The yankee mass shootings thread

[Disco]

I still can't quite get over crowns made out of fucking bullets, I'm not sure how many steps away from a necklace of ears that is but it's not enough.

[Lewis]

Do people still do that snake-handling stuff in churches? It must be safer (and probably saner) than that.

[Disco]

I hadn't considered the safety aspect, it's just something you expect to see on a grinning warlord taking time out to catch up on his skull polishing rather than at a coffee morning.

[Giggles]

Someone is shooting up YouTube.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43635864

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[Magic]

Good.

[Disco]

I know the new Watch Later screen is annoying but that's a bit much.

[Lewis]

I bet this time it's some pleb who got de-monetised. Obviously the Muslims will resume normal service tomorrow.

[Pepe]

Gun-free zone? /mert

[Alex]

Someone is shooting up YouTube.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43635864

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The thought process behind opening Twitter and composing that tweet, whilst barricaded in a room with a gunman on the rampage, is completely baffling to me. It's remarkably well formatted too, given the situation. Bizarre.

[Giggles]

The thought process behind opening Twitter and composing that tweet, whilst barricaded in a room with a gunman on the rampage, is completely baffling to me. It's remarkably well formatted too, given the situation. Bizarre.

Formatting is basically automatic on a phone due to muscle memory and auto punctuation.

The thinking behind tweeting at all is another story.

[Lewis]

So what you saying mate he's in on it?

[Alex]

Amusingly followed up with this half an hour later too:

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I wonder what could possibly have given them the impression he might be up for talking about it? :D

[mugbull]

Their office is like 15 mins from my office. Shite m8. A bunch of coworkers know ppl working at YT

[Shindig]

Reminds me of the Munich Olympics attack where the terrorists were in HOTEL ROOMS WITH TELEVISIONS IN THEM. So the news coverage allowed them to see where the police were coming from and could easily give them the slip.

[Magic]

Female shooter. Unusual.

[Gray Fox]

Several wounded. Only one dead so far is the shooter.

[Bernanke]

Women can't do anything properly.

[Lewis]

This is going to be hard to fit into the prevailing NARRATIVE[S]. I'm going for internalised misogyny.

[Bernanke]

She was apparently a disgruntled vegan?

[Shindig]

"Jill, we're having a barbecue on the second floor ...."

[phonics]

I figured it was going to be someone mad about being demonitised but I thought it was going to be a big ol' racist not:

https://i.imgur.com/bSbuDpN.jpg

[Spikey M]

:D wut?

[phonics]

:D wut?

Yeah sorry that lacked context, let's visit her website for a more detailed bio.

https://i.imgur.com/QxpOLiw.png

[Shindig]

So we have a transgender muslim vegan who was upset their channel's not making as much money as before.

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/upload_2018-4-4_7-28-47-png.418429/

Text reads "Before and After the sex change."

[Magic]

:D

Amazing. It's like all the things the BIBLE BELT hates rolled in to one.

[Spikey M]

:D Shit for the people that got shot, but this is outstanding.

[Shindig]

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/dz6cmmsu0aaf9cz-jpg.418576/

Fun fact: She was 8 when this war ended.

[Lewis]

They look a bit like Peter Hitchens in that chicken picture.

[Pepe]

Their office is like 15 mins from my office. Shite m8. A bunch of coworkers know ppl working at YT

Oof. I used Youtube just yesterday, so I know how you feel. Take care of yourself alright?

[Magic]

Oof. I used Youtube just yesterday, so I know how you feel. Take care of yourself alright?

Fucking hell, could have been a lot worse. Thinking of you.

[Spikey M]

Oof. I used Youtube just yesterday, so I know how you feel. Take care of yourself alright?

I literally have the Youtube app installed on my phone. Swear to god.

[Disco]

Stay safe everyone, maybe just use Vimeo for a bit.

[SvN]

Fuck that, that's what they want. I'm going to spend the afternoon browsing Youtube to show my support.

[mugbull]

Oof. I used Youtube just yesterday, so I know how you feel. Take care of yourself alright?

Can't really, it's a wasteland out here now. No one's left.

[Shindig]

Fuck that, that's what they want. I'm going to spend the afternoon browsing Youtube to show my support.

#StandWithYoutube

Her videos are the strangest things.

[Magic]

Stay safe everyone, maybe just use Vimeo for a bit.

A Great suggestion imo

[Dquincy]

Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House in Nashville before 'hero' grabs weapon

https://news.sky.com/story/naked-gunman-kills-three-in-waffle-house-shooting-in-nashville-tennessee-11342418

Earlier today.

[Pepe]

If all waiters had guns...

[Pepe]

Also, you missed the lollest part, which is that he was going around pantsless.

[Magic]

Also, you missed the lollest part, which is that he was going around pantsless.

Our version of pants or yours? Big difference.

[John]

I think the first word of Quincy's post has that covered.

[Pepe]

Ah yes, missed that.

Well, technically...

[Pepe]

Our version of pants or yours? Big difference.

Both.

[niko_cee]

School shooting in god's own state.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44173954

Bring on the crossfire.

[Spoonsky]

The man, who did not give his name, said his goal was to "get to the school. Make America great again".

Another man then told reporters "we need prayers".

"This idiot is walking down the street with a damned pistol on his side where we just had kids get shot," he said referring to the other man.

"I'm a guns rights person. I have guns. But this idiot is walking down here and saying he needs to make America great again. That's not what America needs."

/america

[Kikó]

It's a shame there is literally no way to stop this stuff. Shame really.

[Kikó]

It's a shame there is literally no way to stop this stuff. Shame really.

Shame.

[Disco]

Thoughts and prayers.

[Lewis]

The lad sounds a bit all over the place politically. Shame.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The lad sounds a bit all over the place politically. Shame.

He needs to be linked to THE TEST:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Will let himself know exactly where he should stand.

[Spoonsky]

I reckon he's an Incel.

[Shindig]

Sorry, he won't take any test that doesn't require a gun and paper.

[Dark Soldier]

MURICA FUCK YEAH

https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/993260955760021506

Just think if that three year old was there he would've stopped it

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jesus fuck.

[Lewis]

Shameful.

[Magic]

R/whitepeopletwitter

[Trancemeister]

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[Gray Fox]

If only more guns etc.

[John Arne]

Isn't it a bit late for these guys to be turning up?

https://gyazo.com/0855eb996ef77a075e3fb6e80e05ce89.png

[Disco]

Also totally inappropriate, soldiers are not policemen.

[Waffdon]

Someone just started shooting folk at a Madden Tournament. You can hear the gunshots and screams on Twitch. What dafuq

[Gray Fox]

Early reports say at least 4 dead.

[Giggles]

Early reports say at least 4 dead.

Average enough for any gathering in the US then.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

More guns > less guns.

Let's remember that please.

[John]

Bet it's some arsehole Trumpkin reacting to players kneeling during the anthem.

[Magic]

https://m.livestreamfails.com/post/27783

Holy shit.

[Magic]

Black guy just before camera cuts off you can see the laser on him.

[P_3]

Fuck. :serious:

[Magic]

*BANG BANG BANG*

"Bleurghhhhh fuck...what are you shooting with??"

*BANG*

Anyone else lol at that?

[Dark Soldier]

Nope.

[Magic]

Not gruesome enough for you.

[Giggles]

I've just learned indirectly from this that Sandy Hook was a place and not a person.

[Waffdon]

There was definitely a laser on that bloke. Seconds away from seeing him being shot up on stream.

[randomlegend]

Apparently people had been messing around shining lasers for ages before that.

[Giggles]

Reports that it was a losing player that took the hump.

[Magic]

Reports that it was a losing player that took the hump.

That's a load of bullshit.

[Giggles]

That's a load of bullshit.

Yeah probably too hard get a gun at short notice over there.

[randomlegend]

That's a load of bullshit.

IDK, the L.A. times are reporting they were directly told it by another player who was competing.

[Giggles]

IDK, the L.A. times are reporting they were directly told it by another player who was competing.

Yeah but magic was there.

[Magic]

Anyone know about that kid gamer and his teen neighbour who chopped him up after an online dispute?

[Gray Fox]

BBC reporting it was a fellow gamer at the event who had lost.

Police there have confirmed several dead and the 6 at hospital. 1 in a critical condition. Gunman is dead, assuming suicide, but not confirmed yet.

[Magic]

Gabriel Kuhn and Daniel Petry


DAMN.

[Giggles]

Gabriel Kuhn and Daniel Petry


DAMN.

What are you on about and why are you suddenly American?

[Magic]

Google it.

[Ian]

Why does it not come up with any actual news sites?

[Giggles]

Why does it not come up with any actual news sites?

Because he's a sick cunt.

[Magic]

Because the gore is more popular than the actual news.

Take note, media.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45315970

There you go. Mainstream coverage.

[Ian]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45594239

Sigh.

[phonics]

That the only shocking fact to come from a case that left 3 people murdered for no reason, is that a woman did it. Is a really quite depressing thing to conceive.

[Spikey M]

Lads. Tens of kids getting shot in the face is par for the cause over there. Who the fuck cares about this shit anymore? Let them get on with being a third world shit hole.

[Lewis]

They would probably say the same about our health service killing people.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Lads. Tens of kids getting shot in the face is par for the cause over there. Who the fuck cares about this shit anymore? Let them get on with being a third world shit hole.

A boat turned over in Tanzania today killing 100+ #blacklivesmatter

[Pepe]

They would probably say the same about our health service killing people.

The DEATH PANELS!!!!

[Shindig]

Relax, Suge Knight's going to prison which should take shootings to an all-time low.

[Gray Fox]

Synagogue in Pittsburgh this time.

Supposedly 8 dead, with lots more injured.

[Shindig]

Bloke with a nazi fixation arrested.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It has to be considered a failed society by this point. At least we're just arguing about a customs union and the price of cheese rather than committing mass murder in places of worship.

[Pepe]

Sinead O'Connor must be a suspect.

[Giggles]

It has to be considered a failed society by this point. At least we're just arguing about a customs union and the price of cheese rather than committing mass murder in places of worship.

You've had a lot of getting that out of your system in fairness.

[Boydy]

You've had a lot of getting that out of your system in fairness.

https://media.giphy.com/media/2ExMlxocKrSBG/giphy.gif

[Bernanke]

One of the dead was 97.

Imagine being born in the Great Depression and witnessing Hitler's rise to power and defeat, only to be murdered 70 years later by Nazi cunt.

[Waffdon]

Holocaust survivor apparently.

[mikem]

Mike Pence has a “Jewish” ceremony to honor the victims at a Conservative / Reconstructionist synagogue and they choose this guy:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4757811/rabbi-loren-jacobs-messianic-synagogue-shema-yisrael-offers-prayer-vp-pence-speaks-michigan

These fucking people.

[niko_cee]

I'm not sure about the ongoing narrative seeking to blame Trump's bombastic divisiveness for mass shootings and idiots sending suspect packages in the post. I'm pretty sure those things pre-date him.

[Queenslander]

Bloody Chapo has a great take on these killings.

[mikem]

They are not responsible in a direct way for any one attack. It is more like the effect of climate change and the hurricane / wildfire seasons here. They are more frequent and stronger.

But just perhaps, after the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in our countries history, don’t have the Jews for Jesus people lead a prayer the dead that rejects all Jewish tradition. It is like having a gay conversion therapy moron leading the prayer after a gay nightclub is shot up.

[Lewis]

I don't see how Trump is 'divisive' except insofar as he gives it back to people, which makes him a symptom as much as a cause of any of it. The bollocks around the judge being one recent example (see also: Hillary Clinton's recent comments on civility as some of the all-time great self-awareness). Didn't that baseball shooter belong to a load of 'resistance' groups? I don't recall any of his opponents being blamed for that.

[mugbull]

You don’t understand the American voting polity at all if you don’t think Trump is dangerously divisive.

Hillary is fairly civil. Again, not sure what you’re grasping at there.

[phonics]

IIRC he was a Bernie Sanders voter, I have no idea what these 'resistance' groups you're talking about are, but I'm not sure I remember Bernie Sanders saying he would pay the legal fees of anyone who beat up protestors at his rally.

Lewis, just an FYI, trying the 'both sides' shit is pathetic.

[niko_cee]

Is there anyone in modern [American] politics who isn't divisive?

[mikem]

He is either obtuse or not exposed to our campaigns. Only one side has a policy campaign this election.

[niko_cee]

Is that the side you're on?

[mikem]

Is there anyone in modern [American] politics who isn't divisive?

Lots. There are still lots of normal campaigns out there. I was up in Portland last week and it is a normal campaign. Democrats on education and healthcare; Republicans on whether Democrats care too much about Portland at the expense of the rest of the state.

The most popular politicians in the country are Republican governors in exceedingly liberal New England.

[phonics]

Is there anyone in modern [American] politics who isn't divisive?

I think there's got to be a line drawn on divisiveness somewhere between:

"My opponent is in the pockets of special interests"

and

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqxlyU6WsAANdyA.jpg:large

[phonics]

Aren't rents in San Francisco among the highest on the planet anyway?

And isn't the thing you are describing, without knowing anything other than the way you have described it, something which would increase 'rent-control' (which I assume to be capped cost/under market value business)?

This is the current mailer for a GOP guy in a STATE SENATE (note: important but not, I gotta go all out important) race in Conneticut.

https://i.imgur.com/i7yuBzr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2tFpTWy.jpg

Really?

[phonics]

Are those images massive for other people? If so shoot me a message and I'll delete.

[bruhnaldo]

The first one is yuge but my browser shapes them to fit so idk if it's actually any trouble

[Lewis]

It is both sides when a significant amount of people (influential ones as well) spend their days claiming that the[ir] President is a Russian agent, that the Republican Party hates women (see: all of that judge bollocks), or isn't arsed about shootings, or a million other things. For every 'Proud Boys' idiot there is an 'anti-fascist' idiot. The difference is that in Donald Trump there is a central figure to pin it on, where as the opposition merely has a thousand verified Twitter dickheads spreading it around.

As for George Soros, aside from the Jewish angle - which is something of an eternal crank issue, and not really a left/right thing - what does he get that Rupert Murdoch or the Koch brothers have never had said about them?

[niko_cee]

Has Alan Greenspan cleverly altered his name to get round some sort of screening?

[phonics]

It is both sides when a significant amount of people (influential ones as well) spend their days claiming that the[ir] President is a Russian agent, that the Republican Party hates women (see: all of that judge bollocks), or isn't arsed about shootings, or a million other things. For every 'Proud Boys' idiot there is an 'anti-fascist' idiot. The difference is that in Donald Trump there is a central figure to pin it on, where as the opposition merely has a thousand verified Twitter dickheads spreading it around.

As for George Soros, aside from the Jewish angle - which is something of an eternal crank issue, and not really a left/right thing - what does he get that Rupert Murdoch or the Koch brothers have never had said about them?

The President of the United States and de facto GOP leader literally said 'Russia, if you're listening, hack Hilary's emails', and there were then hundreds of attacks registered. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnY7D4M4k68) 14 GRU agents have been indited for hacking the DNC.

The Republican party do quite literally hate women. The Vice President of the United States and de facto GOP deputy, will not be alone in a room with a woman that isn't his wife. (http://time.com/4716439/mike-pence-karen-pence-eat-alone/)

In Charlottesville there were 50 heavily armed Pro-Confederate protestors and approximately 1000 counter protestors. Out of the 40 or so injured, 38 were counter protestors, most of them injured when 1 of the 50 nutters drove their car into a crowd of people killing someone. (warning graphic) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czc428jdZgo)

Can you name a time someone was murdered by 'antifa' (I can't believe we're actually referring to antifa like it's an official group with membership and shit) in America?

The final step of joining the Proud Boys is literally 'Get in a major fight that supports the cause'. I'm not sure how you talk around that one. I could go on and on.

These aren't equivalencies. You can't have some 300 lb guy on one side of the see-saw and a 50 lb child on the other and think the answer to make everyone get along is to make one side shorter to change the centre of balance. You kick the fat fucker off and tell him to lose some weight or get out of the park.

[mikem]

Huh? I guess maybe the Jew stuff is important and the distinction?

Mostly he gets this from the last couple of weeks:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6kc5Sjxr32Y&t=3m25s

And this from a decade ago:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i-cHmo85_LA

And all supported on a nightly basis for a decade on one of the most popular news channels. If nothing else, it makes him easier to find for the conspiracy nuts.

[mugbull]

As for George Soros, aside from the Jewish angle - which is something of an eternal crank issue, and not really a left/right thing - what does he get that Rupert Murdoch or the Koch brothers have never had said about them?

Ahh, and we've reached the point where someone has tried to compare Soros to the Kochs.

[phonics]

I mean I think they are kind of comparable but one is framed as a shady puppet master trying to spread globalist influence and the other is framed as businessmen protecting their own interests (that's when the GOP will acknowledge their existence which they try not to).

They should both be eaten.

[mugbull]

They're only comparable in the sense that they both have a lot of money. What they do with that money is obviously very different.

[phonics]

Remember like 3 months ago when Republicans were telling people to vote for a dude that was banned from his local mall for being a creepy paedo as voting for a Democrat would turn Arizona into Venezuela and we were treated to this kind of mouth-breathing moron? I do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYRkzznsc0

Al Franken was forced to resign by his own party for an inappropriate picture (and rightly so).

Eric Greitens had an affair, tied up his partner in a bondage session and took photos of her without her knowing and when they broke up threatened to release them if she went public. Republicans stood by him until the day the police brought charges against him and at that point, only demanded a resignation rather than firing him.

Both sides though.

This isn't a left/right debate. This is a moral debate. Politically, I haven't even got to what they're doing in North Carolina and the likes where they're removing powers of office when they lose a vote.

The GOP are literal monsters and need to be wiped out.

[Shindig]

American politics is about winning, dawg.

[Lewis]

Does Trump lolling about the e-mails make him an actual Russian asset? Because quite a lot of people, many of whom are influential in the 'discourse', believe that (or pretend to believe it for re-tweets and shite). Then those same people shit themselves when he calls the press the 'enemy of the people', because presumably they get to decide who is and isn't working against the interests of the United States, and other people doing so is 'divisive'. 'The Republican party do quite literally hate women'. Because Mike Pence is a religious weirdo? Does that mean every female Republican voter hates women? That was another 'divisive' meme after the election, that conservative white women had deliberately screwed the rest of the sisterhood (sometimes because their menfolk had commanded it). It could just be that these women have a different stance on abortion. No. They hate women, and they put that judge in there specifically to render them second class citizens. As for the street violence. Is attacking people with bike locks and battering people for wearing particular hats okay as long as nobody ends up dead? The Kochs framed as savvy businessmen. Right. I'm also old enough to remember when the entirety of American foreign policy was held to be determined by Halliburton shareholders.

These are equivalencies. It's like the anti-Brexit people going around accusing Boris Johnson of dividing the country whilst their preferred NARRATIVE holds that he only did so by getting half of it to reveal their inner racist thicko.

[Lewis]

Remember when Bill Clinton was completely ostracised by the entire 'progressive' establishment? I don't.

[Kikó]

I'm 80% sure Trump is compromised by things the Russians have on him

[Pepe]

Trump is 'divisive' in as much as there are millions of mongs out there that just love being outraged at what he says, and there are millions of others who love lolling at the outraged crew. Otherwise, he is just someone who everyone would be better off ignoring.

[mugbull]

Lewis's drivel reminded me of an organization I read about called "Gays for Bolsonaro", which I thought was hilarious at first until I realized that they're probably completely oblivious to what's going to hit them and will be until it does

[phonics]

Does Trump lolling about the e-mails make him an actual Russian asset? Because quite a lot of people, many of whom are influential in the 'discourse', believe that (or pretend to believe it for re-tweets and shite). Then those same people shit themselves when he calls the press the 'enemy of the people', because presumably they get to decide who is and isn't working against the interests of the United States, and other people doing so is 'divisive'.

You're equivocating the amount of power Donald Trump holds with Louise Mensch.


'The Republican party do quite literally hate women'. Because Mike Pence is a religious weirdo?

I'm not going to quote literally every piece of Republican policy of the last decade and a half. It's just an example that signals leaderships thoughts. But yes, it does always seem to end up biased against women.


Does that mean every female Republican voter hates women? That was another 'divisive' meme after the election, that conservative white women had deliberately screwed the rest of the sisterhood (sometimes because their menfolk had commanded it). It could just be that these women have a different stance on abortion. No. They hate women, and they put that judge in there specifically to render them second class citizens.

People vote against their own interests all the time for a whole host of reasons. Whatcha gonna do apart from try educate them? Once again though you're equivocating bloggers with members of the GOP that can vote and dictate said policies.




As for the street violence. Is attacking people with bike locks and battering people for wearing particular hats okay as long as nobody ends up dead?


Yes there is, that's why there's a difference in sentencing between GBH/ABH and Murder.


The Kochs framed as savvy businessmen. Right. I'm also old enough to remember when the entirety of American foreign policy was held to be determined by Halliburton shareholders.

Haliburtons stock price doubled between 2001 and 2009 and hasn't moved either way since former Haliburton Chief-Exec Dick Cheney left the White House. Wonder what caused that.



These are equivalencies. It's like the anti-Brexit people going around accusing Boris Johnson of dividing the country whilst their preferred NARRATIVE holds that he only did so by getting half of it to reveal their inner racist thicko.

I've only talked about America here. That/Brexit etc. is a whole different can of worms.

[Lewis]

It's also worth bearing in mind that the reason nothing stuck/sticks to Trump is that, before they became paragons of anti-Trump virtue and decency, their opponents tried to paint John McCain and Mitt Romney as being every ist-word going. Was it 'divisive' for Joe Biden to tell a black crowd that Romney wanted to put them back in chains (presumably on his day off from torturing his dog)? 'Crooked Hillary' though. You can't go calling people names. You'll destroy the social fabric.

[phonics]

Lewis's drivel reminded me of an organization I read about called "Gays for Bolsonaro", which I thought was hilarious at first until I realized that they're probably completely oblivious to what's going to hit them and will be until it does

These types of group are largely made up. See 'Blacks for Trump' (no real non astroturfed group is going round calling a group of themselves 'Blacks') which seems to consist of the same guy at every rally always placed in the background or this definitely real and not dark money funded group of 'Women for Kavanaugh'

https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Dnj1DNGVsAAXOR3.jpg

[phonics]

It's also worth bearing in mind that the reason nothing stuck/sticks to Trump is that, before they became paragons of anti-Trump virtue and decency, their opponents tried to paint John McCain and Mitt Romney as being every ist-word going. Was it 'divisive' for Joe Biden to tell a black crowd that Romney wanted to put them back in chains (presumably on his day off from torturing his dog)? 'Crooked Hillary' though. You can't go calling people names. You'll destroy the social fabric.

Christ this is like going over a shitty version of merts posts. John McCain when asked what his foreign policy was sang 'Bomb Bomb Iran' and still referred to the Vietnamese as 'Gooks' in his final months. He was pro-war in an anti-war election representing the party of the incumbent who everyone hated. He was a racist, it's not why he lost.

Romney was never genuinely framed as a racist, a sexist maybe (which is what caused the binders of women thing) but not a racist.

Bernie Sanders and his supporters are constantly being accused of being racist, sexist white dude bros despite him having an 83% approval rating or something ridiculous. It's what Hilary has done in every election she's ever run. They haven't started trying to blow up Planned Parenthood in response though.

I am totally sick of the people who seem to say everythings about personal responsibility saying 'You telling me wolf whistling at women is rude impacts my free speech so I'm going to vote for the very obviously corrupt racist guy, what else am I supposed to do?'

[Lewis]

The fact we've gone from 'trying the "both sides" shit is pathetic' to 'okay, it is both sides, but...' suggests that you're not really on top of this.

[phonics]

Lewis, in the sense of the discourse, if we were to take this place as an example, do you consider Harold Bishop and me equivalents?

[phonics]

The fact we've gone from 'trying the "both sides" shit is pathetic' to 'okay, it is both sides, but...' suggests that you're not really on top of this.

If one side stabs me, rapes me and leaves me for dead and the other side pick pockets me without me noticing. It is indeed pathetic to say 'Both sides'.

[Lewis]

You had a say in perma-banning Harold, which, according to your own stupid see-saw metaphor, makes you worse (and apparently a stabby rapist).

[Boydy]

Cba reading all of this but I don't see why people are engaging with Lewis' both sides nonsense here as if he's doing it in earnest.

[phonics]

You had a say in perma-banning Harold, which, according to your own stupid see-saw metaphor, makes you worse (and apparently a stabby rapist).

Ital led that actually after receving PMs from other posters requesting it. I didn't post for or against in the staff thread and it was put to a public vote that IIRC I didn't vote in.

So your next straw man to knock down or has this board had it's first e-victory in quite some time?

[Lewis]

In Room 101 it says 'For continual, repeated infractions over an extended duration, with no sign of behavioural change. This was agreed upon by every staff member'. If he's a liar mate then fine.

[mugbull]

Lewis strikes me as the kind of edgelord who, were he younger and a bit more disaffected, would be right there in the thick of it "owning the libs" online

[phonics]

In Room 101 it says 'For continual, repeated infractions over an extended duration, with no sign of behavioural change. This was agreed upon by every staff member'. If he's a liar mate then fine.

I didn't use any of my power to stop it from happening.

Looking in that thread it seems it didn't go to a vote but I'm sure I remember a vote. Maybe it was a Baz one to unban Harold? Not sure. Anyway my only post in the thread pre-ban:

https://i.imgur.com/ecHe5Un.png

But I'm still not sure you trying to catch me in a 4d chess logic trap about Harold makes the GOP and the Democratic Party equally bad/evil. You're losing your touch.

[Lewis]

You brought up Harold. I can only go off the publicly available information. You don't know how to argue.

[phonics]

You brought up Harold. I can only go off the publicly available information. You don't know how to argue.

I've posted multiple sources about stated policy goals and actions taken by those in power across various parts of this argument and you've gone 'yeah but someone on twitter said'.

This is like when Spurs moved to Wembley or something. I would have been donned about 8 times and had everyone calling me the f word on the old board.

[Lewis]

You want to claim that there is no equivalency, but you're also forced to make out that the Russian bollocks doesn't have any more influential proponents than Louise Mensch; that incivility is the preserve of mere bloggers rather than influential cultural, political, and media figures; that GBH is fine; and that Mitt Romney wasn't made out to be a racist (he was) but sexism was fair game. You're either incapable or unwilling to approach the issue honestly, which proves what I originally said.

[phonics]

You want to claim that there is no equivalency, but you're also forced to make out that the Russian bollocks doesn't have any more influential proponents than Louise Mensch; that incivility is the preserve of mere bloggers rather than influential cultural, political, and media figures; that GBH is fine; and that Mitt Romney wasn't made out to be a racist (he was) but sexism was fair game. You're either incapable or unwilling to approach the issue honestly, which proves what I originally said.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/lucille-portable.gif

I didn't say GBH is fine I said using a bike lock in a fight is morally and ethically superior to plowing a car at 30mph into a non violent crowd. Your argument is that both sides are equally bad which I think is quite well illustrated not to be true just by the previous sentence.

[Lewis]

I don't think my point was entirely bike lock idiot vs car idiot (straw men was it earlier?). But what about car idiot vs baseball shooter?

[phonics]

I don't think my point was entirely bike lock idiot vs car idiot (straw men was it earlier?). But what about car idiot vs baseball shooter?

In what sense are we comparing them? They're both bad but one is worse than the other on kill count alone before we get into the ethics of everything else.

Your point was that both sides equally influence nutters to do bad things. It's just not true and the Republicans have been stoking these nutters for the most of the 8 years Donald was in power and now nothings changed even though they've got all the power, so they're going mental and sending bombs to people and shooting up 'the goyim'. The shooter is posting on Gab about this synagogue working with a refugee service an hour before unloading an AR-15 into some retirees.

[Lewis]

The shooter could have taken plenty out had the police not stopped him. Would he have been worse then?

My actual point was that Trump didn't come out of a clear blue sky (so to speak), and that to cast him as the reason political rhetoric is mental over there is a pretty selective version of recent history, and largely peddled by people who want to absolve themselves of any blame for creating the current 'divisive' climate. I haven't said conservatives/Republicans haven't contributed to it (hence 'both sides'), but your posts have put it all on one side whilst, ironically, using the sort of rhetoric in question. Proving my point, in other words.

[phonics]

The shooter could have taken plenty out had the police not stopped him. Would he have been worse then?

My actual point was that Trump didn't come out of a clear blue sky (so to speak), and that to cast him as the reason political rhetoric is mental over there is a pretty selective version of recent history, and largely peddled by people who want to absolve themselves of any blame for creating the climate. I haven't said conservatives/Republicans haven't contributed to it (hence 'both sides'), but your posts have put it all on one side whilst, ironically, using the sort of rhetoric in question. Proving my point, in other words.

Trump is a symptom, not the disease. There's a reason I've said GOP every time and ascribed to all these people GOP leadership positions. I actually did mention a Democrat (Franken) and said he should have stepped down. I hate vast swathes of the DNC but that's because they're incompetent, annoying technocrats rather than stoking social anxiety to get people to vote for them.

[mugbull]

Latent discontent is not the same as active discontent. The seeds of hatred/stupidity/racism can be there forever, but if you're the one that goes and happily sows them, you're to blame.

[Lewis]

You're both doing it again. You are casting Democratic figures as merely crap - but ultimately well-meaning - politicians, and you mentioned Al Franken in a post which culminated in you stating 'The GOP are literal monsters and need to be wiped out'. But then you're just a forum poster, so, whilst you might have demonstrated that the rhetoric is equally stupid on both sides, it actually comes down to power imbalances. Fine. Was Biden not 'happily sowing' latent discontent with his slavery claims? What about turning 'binders full of women', something said as part of an answer about his personal attempts at improving female representation at senior management level, into a sexist meme? Then you've got voters 'cling[ing] to their guns or religion', and belonging in the 'basket of deplorables'. What on earth could have stoked all of this conservative hostility and incivility?

[mikem]

Has Alan Greenspan cleverly altered his name to get round some sort of screening?

No, he just retired in 2006 or so. Only about a decade prior to 2018’s increase in anti-Semitic hate crime of 57%.

But bravo on knowing a whole two Jews.

[mugbull]

Basket of deplorables was obviously a stupid comment. The problem is when you have someone making those exact same types of comments, all the time, not apologizing and in fact priding themselves in what they’re saying. Hillary with the basket comment in a situation that she thought wouldn’t be heard by anyone, who then tried her best to walk it back and apologize for it, is so many levels of magnitude apart from Trump making similar comments all day every day, loving it, and using their impact to drive a wedge between people. It’s unbelievable that you would compare the two and the impact they have had.

[mugbull]

I think at this point, yes, national Republican figures have cast their lot in with the mainstream Fox/Trump/Breotbart cabal and they’re all complicit. They might not be fundamentally less empathetic or reasonable as people, but does that matter at all?

[phonics]

No, he just retired in 2006 or so. Only about a decade prior to 2018’s increase in anti-Semitic hate crime of 57%.

But bravo on knowing a whole two Jews.

He's talking about the treasurer Alan Greenspan listed as approving the above mailer about the greedy Jew.

[Lewis]

Basket of deplorables was obviously a stupid comment. The problem is when you have someone making those exact same types of comments, all the time, not apologizing and in fact priding themselves in what they’re saying. Hillary with the basket comment in a situation that she thought wouldn’t be heard by anyone, who then tried her best to walk it back and apologize for it, is so many levels of magnitude apart from Trump making similar comments all day every day, loving it, and using their impact to drive a wedge between people. It’s unbelievable that you would compare the two and the impact they have had.

I'm comparing the rhetoric of both sides, made up as they are by lots of different people of different status, not two individuals. Her recent comments on civility are a better and more revealing example anyway.

[John Arne]

Another one. California. 12 dead.

[SvN]

I await the "‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens" article.

[Bernanke]

The deadliest shooting in America since the Parkland Shooting in February

The state of this sentence.

[Kikó]

That's 9 months of solid non shooting.

[phonics]

There were 4 mass shootings between this one and the nazi at the synagogue... last week?

[Disco]

That's 9 months of solid non shooting.

Not necessarily, they might just have been missing.

[Kikó]

There were 4 mass shootings between this one and the nazi at the synagogue... last week?

Yeah but not as mass as the other one so basically a regular homicide.

[Shindig]

I don't get why you can't have small exceptions to the 2nd Ammendment.

"Every American has a right to bear arms unless they're convicted of a firearm offence or have a history of mental illness." Piss easy starter.

[Spikey M]

If Sandy Hook and Columbine weren't enough to convince the public that widespread changes are needed, then nothing will be.

There's some hillbilly cunts out there that would be supporting the rights of a murderer whilst cleaning their first borns brains off the wall. The country is done.

[Shindig]

It's not really widespread, though. Just cut mentalists and gang-bangers dumb enough to fire out of the market with a single sentence.

[Spikey M]

Not widespread? Mate.

[Pepe]

What's a couple mass murders per week? Do you know how many people trip in their on shower every day?

[ItalAussie]

If Sandy Hook and Columbine weren't enough to convince the public that widespread changes are needed, then nothing will be.

There's some hillbilly cunts out there that would be supporting the rights of a murderer whilst cleaning their first borns brains off the wall. The country is done.

I read an article which claimed that Sandy Hook was America's line in the sand. If that wasn't enough to change things, nothing will be.

[Shindig]

Nobody's given Mount Rushmore any bulletholes. Someone could give that a go.

[John Arne]

And another.

4 dead at a shooting at Mercy Hospital, Chicago.

[Disco]

If only the ambulances had guns on them.

[niko_cee]

Sounds like a domestic so it barely counts.

On the subject of gun control and whatnot, I re-watched Taxi Driver the other night for the first time in ages and thought it was quaint how, when he wanted some weaponry, a guy 'who could get things' was required and dealings were conducted out of a suitcase in a motel room. I can't imagine there being any such need for that these days. I have no idea how accurate to the time that depiction is but it made me wonder if, and to what extent, the ubiquity of gun access is an entirely modern thing.

[Gray Fox]

The guy who can get things is now Brad down at the Walmart who earns a pittance but can sell you a fully automatic machine gun.

[phonics]

Did you see the one the other day in (I think) Chicago?

Some drunk starts firing shots into a bar, an armed security guard shoots him and injures him to stop him shooting. Cops turn up late and because the security guard is black they shoot him dead.

edit: https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/11/12/18088874/jemel-roberson-police-shooting-security-guard-illinois

Yeah it was Chicago



In the early hours of November 11, 26-year-old Jemel Roberson was working security at a bar in the Chicago suburbs when a shooting broke out. Shortly after Roberson subdued the suspect at gunpoint, police arrived — and fatally shot the armed security guard (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/12/they-basically-saw-black-man-with-gun-police-kill-armed-guard-after-responding-call/?utm_term=.95cc855a18be) as he pinned the suspect to the ground.


Roberson was working at Manny’s Blue Room Bar, in Robbins, Illinois, when security personnel asked a group of men to leave following an argument. Soon after, at least one man returned to the bar and began shooting, injuring some of the people in the bar. Security returned fire and Roberson detained the man.


Roberson “had somebody on the ground with his knee in back, with his gun in his back, like, ‘Don’t move,’” witness Adam Harris told local news outlet WGN (https://wgntv.com/2018/11/12/officer-responds-to-gunfire-fatally-shoots-security-guard-at-robbins-bar/).


When officers from the Robbins and Midlothian police departments arrived, one officer opened fire, killing Roberson. According to witness statements given to local outlets, the officer fired even as witnesses told them to stop. “Everybody was screaming out, ‘Security!’ He was a security guard,” Harris said.


“They still did their job, and saw a black man with a gun, and basically killed him,” he added.

So much for being the good guy with the gun.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If that happened over here it would be a 20 year public inquiry (the Stephen Lawrence one is still dribbling on). Over there, all in a day's work.

[phonics]

If that happened over here it would be a 20 year public inquiry (the Stephen Lawrence one is still dribbling on). Over there, all in a day's work.

He'll get a few months paid holiday for it and then be back on the streets. Mental.

[Pepe]

He'll get a GoFundMe going and his supporters will donate millions to him.

[Shindig]

Let's be honest, unless they haven't got a description of the shooter, they're walking into a nightmare.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Especially when they see a black man...

[Waffdon]

Did you see the one the other day in (I think) Chicago?

Some drunk starts firing shots into a bar, an armed security guard shoots him and injures him to stop him shooting. Cops turn up late and because the security guard is black they shoot him dead.

edit: https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/11/12/18088874/jemel-roberson-police-shooting-security-guard-illinois

Yeah it was Chicago



So much for being the good guy with the gun.

Think that’s the guy Kanye has been donating to. Well, his family.

[phonics]

Alabama,

Someone's started shooting at people after an argument during a Black Friday sale. Police have shot the 21 year old man on sight, luckily only a couple of people (including a 12 year old girl) injured.

Ah wait, turns out they shot someone who had nothing to do with it and the actual person got away in the commotion. Can you guess the race of the guy who died was.

https://i.imgur.com/eXwWJWA.png

[Giggles]

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[Bernanke]

Things are popping off at a garlic festival of all places. Maybe a vampire standing his ground.

[Ian]

At a fucking garlic festival?

Can't wait to hear what that cretin's motivations were.

[Shindig]

I hope it's some Garlic Committee Politics.

[Spikey M]

We know from Homer's Chilli festival how crazy these things can get.

[Shindig]

"Johnny Cash told me to find my soulmate one bullet at a time."

[niko_cee]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/c/cf/French.png/revision/latest?cb=20100917152128

[phonics]

I think it’s named after a guy called Gilroy Garlic rather than being dedicated to Gilroys garlic collection.

[mugbull]

Gilroy is a nice little town, but it reeks of garlic year round and it takes a full hour after passing by it on the freeway for the smell to leave your car. If this is the shooter’s motivation then I understand.

[Lewis]

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How do you expect to be a policeman when a dog spooks you into that? :cab:

[Disco]

We all laughed at the bit in The Wire about Bunk shooting a mouse but once again that show had it right. Appalling trigger discipline, do they even train these people before they get let loose on the public?

[Ian]

If the dog had a gun this would never have happened.

[Disco]

They already arm the bears, will no-one think of the dogs?

[Yevrah]

That man must have had the worst training and testing of said training in the history of all employment.

[Disco]

There's about a hundred thing wrong with what he's doing before you even get to the fact that he's firing at a fucking dog.

[Shindig]

He'll be wearing body armour as well. Take the bite, man.

[Yevrah]

By all means shoot the dog if it's 'coming right for ya' and is close, but that wasn't what happened on that video.

[Disco]

Not even then, look at the surroundings, no way of knowing where your shots are going to go when you inevitably miss a moving target. It going across his field of vision makes it a thousand times worse, you're turning so you have no idea what you're about to be aiming at as you fire far more times than necessary for an animal about the size of a toddler.

Get that man in the bin.

[Yevrah]

If the dog is a couple of feet away from you you should be able to put one in its noggin without taking a school down too.

[Bernanke]

That man must have had the worst training and testing of said training in the history of all employment.

So standard US police force training then?

[Trancemeister]

Atleast 18 people shot in a Walmart in El Paso, Texas.

[Gray Fox]

Odds on the shooter having just bought the gun there and going on the rampage?

[Shindig]

Well, he's already done better than Randy Stair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eaton_Township_Weis_Markets_shooting

[Lewis]

Not even then, look at the surroundings, no way of knowing where your shots are going to go when you inevitably miss a moving target. It going across his field of vision makes it a thousand times worse, you're turning so you have no idea what you're about to be aiming at as you fire far more times than necessary for an animal about the size of a toddler.

Get that man in the bin.

This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6YDoaLc4Fo#t=1m35s) is the classic of that genre.

[Yevrah]

There are no words.

Does their training consist exclusively of watching Hollywood shoot-outs?

[Spikey M]

I reckon Marge going through police training might actually be an accurate depiction of what goes on.


https://youtu.be/a_dDNBP7sgE

[Spikey M]

Don't worry lads, we move on. 19 dead in a mall in El Paso.

[Shindig]

In a rare turn of events, the 20 year-old incel is in custody. They won't even touch you in prison, mate.

[Lewis]

And he looks like you.

[Shindig]

Not with that hairline.

[Disco]

This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6YDoaLc4Fo#t=1m35s) is the classic of that genre.

Fuck me, I didn't think he was going to do it. :D

Fairs fair though, what he does after he stops was pretty ballsy.

[Trancemeister]

Shooting in Dayton, Ohio

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/police-responding-active-shooting-oregon-district/dHOvgFCs726CylnDLdZQxM/

[Magic]

Lol everyone was saying statistically it would be 2 days before the next one.

Murica.

[Queenslander]

Ooooofffff

[Raoul Duke]

Such a backwards shithole country

[bruhnaldo]

I honestly think you guys love this shit.

[Kikó]

More white terrorism. Isn't it time they were sent back with their backward views?

[Gray Fox]

You don't call them terrorists if they are white, remember?

[Spikey M]

I honestly think you guys love this shit.

Only because it's entirely self-inflicted.

[Shindig]

You don't call them terrorists if they are white, remember?

"Oh, I'm sorry. This is a hate crime. And a public health epidemic."

[Gray Fox]

New Zealand had one guy go mental with an assault rifle and banned them all immediately.

The US have this happen pretty much once a week, if not more, but wont do anything but point at a 250 year old piece of paper. bruhnaldo

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Just imagine how many more times it would happen if guns were illegal though.

[bruhnaldo]

There's 4.7 million people in New Zealand. There's 6.1 million people in Miami.

There's probably and quite literally more assault rifles in this country than there are people in New Zealand.

[phonics]

There's more assault rifles in your country then there are people.

[bruhnaldo]

I mean okay I'll play along.

Let's pretend we're the government. Please present a plan to eliminate mass shootings in America.

Let's say "Ban assault rifles" is #1.

Okay, there's millions of assault rifles circulating in this country already. How do we go about confiscating them from millions of citizens who would literally rather die than "disarm" themselves?

Without total confiscation all it takes is a psychopathic white nationalist terrorist to find one guy desperate to make a quick buck (whose assault rifle(s) now have increased in value because of the inability to purchase them otherwise) to sell him that assault rifle and commit atrocities.

So now what do we do? I'm serious let's figure it out.

[bruhnaldo]

There's more assault rifles in your country then there are people.

Which doesn't help our newfound cause of trying to eliminate mass shootings considering it only takes one assault rifle and one psychopathic white nationalist terrorist to commit such atrocities.

But I'm willing to try and figure it out if we can! I'm personally not smart enough to figure out how to eliminate 300 million assault rifles owned largely by people who would rather die than give them up.

[bruhnaldo]

And I mean it's hardly as if the psycho white nationalist terrorist cares how much it costs or how many hoops he has to jump through because again he plans to die as a martyr for the "pUrItY oF oUr NaTiOn" or whatever the fuck.

[Kikó]

Ban all guns, have an amnesty collecting them. Arrest anyone found carrying one post amnesty.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/16/newsid_3110000/3110949.stm

Amnesties do work after something being made illegal.

[bruhnaldo]

Your amnesty idea works to eliminate 100,000,000 assault rifles from the streets. Awesome! 1/3rd is a great start.

We now have 200,000,000 assault rifles remaining.

People hardly just carry assault rifles around, so I'm not sure we'd get very far with regards to arresting anyone carrying one around.

Otherwise, how would you really police that? You can't just go into people's houses without warrants. Are they going to give out millions of warrants to raid people's houses that are already armed with assault rifles?

It seems like we'd be on the brink of a civil war at that point, but I'm open to ideas.

[mugbull]

America could use a civil war at this point

[John Arne]

Break America into 50ish chunks, equal size to a small country, such as New Zealand, and then have each chunk (let's call it a 'state') manage the process of disarmament. So, rather than trying to eliminate 300,000,000 at a federal level, each state only has to manage the process of removing 6,000,000 firearms.
Might not work, I think America is probably to far gone, but just an option.

[Disco]

Just ban them and wait for idiots to lose interest, it might take a generation but you'll get there in the end.

[Spikey M]

Your amnesty idea works to eliminate 100,000,000 assault rifles from the streets. Awesome! 1/3rd is a great start.

We now have 200,000,000 assault rifles remaining.

People hardly just carry assault rifles around, so I'm not sure we'd get very far with regards to arresting anyone carrying one around.

Otherwise, how would you really police that? You can't just go into people's houses without warrants. Are they going to give out millions of warrants to raid people's houses that are already armed with assault rifles?

It seems like we'd be on the brink of a civil war at that point, but I'm open to ideas.

Why doesn't Trump see illegal Immigrants this way? 'Oh, there's too many, what's the point?'. It's a horse shit argument. If you want something to change (and let's be Frank - we're talking about innocent people, often school children, getting shot in the faces here) you make the changes and undertake the work required to get it done

Fuck me lad. You live in the land of 'can do attitudes', grow a pair of balls.

[Bernanke]

Your amnesty idea works to eliminate 100,000,000 assault rifles from the streets. Awesome! 1/3rd is a great start.

We now have 200,000,000 assault rifles remaining.

People hardly just carry assault rifles around, so I'm not sure we'd get very far with regards to arresting anyone carrying one around.

Otherwise, how would you really police that? You can't just go into people's houses without warrants. Are they going to give out millions of warrants to raid people's houses that are already armed with assault rifles?

It seems like we'd be on the brink of a civil war at that point, but I'm open to ideas.

This is some stellar "we can't solve the problem completely so why even try"-logic.

[Spikey M]

"But if we try to restrict guns there might be some shootings"

It's been a while, but, HURR DURR HERP DERP.

[Gray Fox]

You could also tie in the amnesty with a monetary incentive. Then double down on it.

Give people say a 6 month warning to hand over all automatic weapons with money per weapon. Then after the date, anyone who still owns one has it removed and is fined.

You'll probably take a generation to properly get rid of them, but then you have to start somewhere.

[Bernanke]

I also love the fact that the Muricans are proud that their police force managed to neutralize the second guy within a minute of him opening fire. So that he only could kill 9 and injure 27, you know. Perfect example of "only thing stopping a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" in action.

[phonics]

You can have guns in a society and not have people be able to shoot up a place with ease. Every 18 year old male in Switzerland has an assault rifle in their house but their basically in lockdown, regulated to the point of annual check ups and bullet count breakdowns and not able to be transported unless visible on your person and dismantled while in uniform.

[Lewis]

Which wouldn't stop anyone taking one out and shooting a load of people if they wanted.

[phonics]

You also don't have mandatory national service that comes with regular psychological assessments and weapons training, so not everyone's allowed to carry one. Handguns and other personal arms are incredibly hard to get etc. It's what comes with it.

The second amendment says you have a right to bare arms as part of a regulated militia, not as some bloke that's watched too much Fox news and has gone from not locking his door for the last 30 years to thinking the Mexicans are going to rob his farm (my ex-girlfriends Iowan fathers road to gun ownership).

[Jimmy Floyd]

Guns now, slaves in the 1840s. Same shit, different decade.

It will take something similarly cataclysmic as then to solve the issue.

[bruhnaldo]

At least this thread proves that it's a lot easier to talk down on people than it is to come up with real solutions that might actually work.


1. "So, rather than trying to eliminate 300,000,000 at a federal level, each state only has to manage the process of removing 6,000,000 firearms." - @John Arne

The way you say this implies that a federal initiative wouldn't need to employ the individual states themselves to see to the execution of federal law. With all due respect I don't reckon you've actually said anything that wasn't already implied with the initial idea that 300,000,000 guns need to be eliminated. You're just kinda... restating the initiative.


2. "Just ban them and wait for idiots to lose interest, it might take a generation but you'll get there in the end." - @Disco

Idk fam have you seen how much folks like guns? The people who play around with guns mostly just want them because they look cool and they can go take them to a shooting range once every 3 months and get the adrenaline rush of shooting them. If a bunch of little kids getting murdered wasn't enough to start a huge culture shift away from these types of cheap thrills I'm not really sure what would?


3. "Why doesn't Trump see illegal Immigrants this way? 'Oh, there's too many, what's the point?'. It's a horse shit argument." - @Spikey M

Well I mean, in all fairness, I'm pretty sure Trump realizes that. He just pushed those lines because that's the only way he could possibly get elected / re-elected. There's not going to be any real way to deport millions of illegal immigrants that are already in America. There will always be illegal immigrants. Just like there will always be illegal guns, even if they ban all guns. Which is was my point. It only takes one.


"If you want something to change (and let's be Frank - we're talking about innocent people, often school children, getting shot in the faces here) you make the changes and undertake the work required to get it done

Fuck me lad. You live in the land of 'can do attitudes', grow a pair of balls." - @Spikey M

I mean you kinda made the point though in a way. The American government wants to get rid of all illegal immigrants and there's basically no possible way for them to actually do that. So you're saying "make the changes" and "undertake the work required"... bro I'm asking you, how would we even do such a thing? You can't just go round up the illegals and ship them out. They're everywhere. You don't see them because they just seem like everyday people. They work jobs, they have families. It's the same thing with guns. I probably go pass 100 people every day that own assault rifles. I would never know. How do we get those people to turn them in... how do we make sure those people don't just say "oh fuck I don't want this problem but I also don't want to give my gun to the government... better sell it really quick to whoever the fuck so I can make a little profit. We sure aren't going to leave a paper trail because this now even more illegal than it was before...."

Now you have guns just floating around that no one has any track of. Which is already the problem.


4. "This is some stellar "we can't solve the problem completely so why even try"-logic."

I'm not against the idea of trying. That wasn't the point of this. The point of this was to ask you all how exactly we could do such a thing, considering every time someone in my country gets shot by some loner douchebag you all get very excited to bump this thread and more or less laugh at it because it's "what we deserve" basically. Let's fucking try, why not. After that we should ban cocaine and opioids. After that we should consider banning murder.

I'm being a bit of a dick but I'm serious. Why not give it a go. If we could get rid of 100,000,000 assault rifles that's 100,000,000 assault rifles less for crazy people to get a hold of.

What my overarching point is ... is that it's not actually going to change anything but stroke the egos of the politicians who would be blessed to have their name on such an initiative. But fuck it, let 'em stroke themselves silly. It doesn't matter to me, I don't own assault rifles.


"It's been a while, but, HURR DURR HERP DERP." - @Spikey M

If 100,000,000 people own assault rifles and had to have them removed by force you're basically guaranteeing a million Americans, between police and gun owners, would be injured or killed trying to enforce said bans.

So really at that point all we are trading again is.. idk... 10,000 innocent lives for 1,000,000 lives who were presumably innocent until it's government decided to go against the "fabric of our country" and try to take away their "right" to own assault rifles..... just so government officials can say "well we did a good try but gosh we can't get 'em all can we!" Our government cannot guarantee the safety of it's people from violence, I'm not sure any government truly can. The idea, though, on display is basically to just incite nationwide riots which could easily divulge into a left vs. right ... just to not actually fix the problem.

Mind you, it's not that i necessarily believe we need assault rifles or have a right to own them.

It's just things like you guys keep saying "Ya it would take a generation or so.." What you're really asking for is a cleansing of the American people. So while you claim it to be under the pretense of saving innocent lives, you'd rather put a million more lives in danger than ever thought about being involved in a mass shooting as the perp or victim at risk instead.... solely because you don't like the culture of guns that we have. Which truthfully listen at this point I'm kinda over it myself. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong to think this way.

But when you come on here and pretentiously throw around non-solutions just so you can subconsciously pat yourself on the back for being so morally sound... it's not really that you value human life, you value some human lives more than others. Which is entirely your prerogative, but it's hardly with some moral obligation to do so. You'd very easily kill 1,000,000 people who never in their life would've bothered a single soul otherwise so that the lives of 10,000 would-be victims of gun violence could live.

But again, let's fucking try it why not. Let's see how it works out for us. America is fucking doomed regardless, we might as well go for it and live with the results.

But you all treat this shit like it's some kinda game where if someone smarter had the controls it'd just be a breeze in the park to deal with. I've literally held friends in my arms crying because they lost family or friends in the Orlando shooting. This shit actually involves real people man.

So it fucking perturbs me that you can sit here on your keyboards and talk down to me simply because I'm trying to understand just how in the flying fuck you'd solve such a complex, enormous problem... knowing that there are millions of Americans who will literally board up their homes and shoot it out with any federal/state/government official tasked to take away their precious little assault rifles.


6. You could also tie in the amnesty with a monetary incentive. Then double down on it.

Give people say a 6 month warning to hand over all automatic weapons with money per weapon. Then after the date, anyone who still owns one has it removed and is fined.

You'll probably take a generation to properly get rid of them, but then you have to start somewhere. - @Gray Fox

I think it would have to come with monetary incentive or maybe even a tax break... but then you're asking a republican majority government to pass a billion dollars in incentives and tax credits (strike 1) to take away guns (strike 2) and supposedly piss all over the Constitution by doing so (strike 3).

But let's throw all that to the side. The idea that people could be enticed by reward of $$$$$ i think would probably be the best bet to make a good start.

IDEALLY it would be nearly impossible to do. Knowing what we know about the corruption in the American police force as a whole, it would turn into an excuse to shoot brown/black people for "not complying with federal firearms search parameters" or some kinda bullshit at worst and harassment of regular, law-abiding citizens at best.

I'm upset because I fucking feel helpless man.

I realize no one is going to read all of this but I don't know what the fuck to do bro. Nobody actually gives a fuck.

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There's a good chapter in Freakonomics about how gun amensties with financial incentives are one of the least effectual and financially irresponsible policies there is.

I haven't listened to the podcast version but it's here: http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-to-think-about-guns-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/