European Football, 29 Sep - 1 Aug

[Toby]

Fixtures

Tuesday 29th September
Barcelona v Bayer Leverkusen
Arsenal v Olympiakos
Bayern Munich v Dinamo Zagreb
FC Porto v Chelsea
BATE Borisov v Roma
Maccabi Tel Aviv v Dynamo Kiev
Lyon v Valencia
Zenit St P v KAA Gent

Wednesday 30 September
Malmö FF v Real Madrid
Manchester United v VfL Wolfsburg
Borussia Mönchengladbach v Manchester City
Shakhtar Donetsk v PSG
CSKA v PSV
FC Astana v Galatasaray
Atletico Madrid v Benfica
Juventus v Sevilla

And some Europa League shit, see here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/fixtures) if you care.

Anyway, Chelsea have dropped Hazard and Matic for tonight.

[7om]

How is Ivanovic still playing? Every time I've seen him this season he's been dreadful.

[Toby]

There's nobody else really.

[QE Harold Flair]

There's Rahman to play left back and Azpiliqueta to play right, of course.

[randomlegend]

Considering all the lolling at Utd for spending £36 million on Mar-tee-al, I dunno how Chelsea have got off relatively bantz-free with spending £20-odd million on a left-back who warms the bench for Ivanovic.

EDIT: As the quite excellent Harold alludes to.

[Lewis]

Nobody is lolling now. :drool:

[Lewis]

Watch him break his leg tomorrow.

[randomlegend]

If he does I'm reloading to before Shaw got injured.

[Toby]

There's Rahman to play left back and Azpiliqueta to play right, of course.

Azpilicueta has scarcely ever played right back for Chelsea and not looked all that convincing when he has.


Considering all the lolling at Utd for spending £36 million on Mar-tee-al, I dunno how Chelsea have got off relatively bantz-free with spending £20-odd million on a left-back who warms the bench for Ivanovic.

EDIT: As the quite excellent Harold alludes to.

Rahman's a very attacking player and it looks like he's going to be used to give a more attacking option when needed. Given Ramires is starting over Hazard tonight, attacking isn't what they're going for.

[Toby]

Saying that, Oscar, Remy and Falcao aren't even in the squad, despite Mourinho saying they're fit, so it's very possible that he's just lost/further losing the plot.

The former in particular has been the best player in the side since he came back.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Given Ramires is starting over Hazard tonight

:drool:

[Benny]

What game will be best, do we reckon? I can't decide which to watch.

[Magic]

So much light in that BT studio.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What game will be best, do we reckon? I can't decide which to watch.

Just watch the Champions League goals show.

[Benny]

That doesn't take advantage of my sexy free HD streams on my TV though.

[Jeet]

No Cech.....

When did we become such of a boss club that we started treated the CL like the LC cup?

[Jimmy Floyd]

You need to concentrate on qualifying for it next year.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Szczesny :harold:

Bate turning over Roma is great.

[Magic]

Costa really is a horrible cunt of a footballer.

[Jeet]

Anyone got a stream of the Arsenal game? UStream is down.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bayern could absolutely roll Zagreb over if they wish to.

[Toby]

Leverkusen making things interesting. I guess without Messi to score his usual seventeen goals against them it might not be so comfortable for Barcelona.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Barcelona should be the ones throwing money at United for De Gea in the Summer, Ter Stegen looks shocking at times.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

4 in 25 minutes, rape.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Szczesny isn't having fun in Belarus at all.

He should have done more in all 3 goals.

[Jeet]

.......................

[Max Power]

Brahimi is a lovely player. Granted, rinsing Ivanovic isn't that impressive these days but still a real talent

[Waffdon]

Ivanovic is a clueless cunt.

[Toby]

That one's on Ivanovic again. Maybe it is time to try that Baba Rahman idea.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Brahimi is a lovely player. Granted, rinsing Ivanovic isn't that impressive these days but still a real talent

I really liked watching him at the World Cup.

Oh and lol at Ospina.

[niko_cee]

It'll be a small mercy when England has its Champions' League places docked. Can they just take them all away?

[Jeet]

Rather award that goal as an OG Wenger

[Jimmy Floyd]

Coefficient in tatters.

[TG09]

Arsenal :doh:

[Toby]

TTH Wisdom of Crowds off to a tragic start as well.

[Max Power]

It'll be a small mercy when England has its Champions' League places docked.
Can they just take them all away?

Roma losing 3-0 in Belarus means Italy aren't having a belting coefficient night either

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That was a lovely free kick from Willian.

[Toby]

Casillas looks likes he's going to cry.

Willian's on a decent run with free kicks, it's nice to get one in that sort of area and not just expect a groan-inducing thump into the wall.

[Raoul Duke]

Decent free kick from Will.I.Am, but Casillas looks bobbins. Total fuck up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm not watching so I'm going to assume it's just drifted past everyone, including a hapless goalkeeper, having been played in a percentage fashion from a wide area.

[Jeet]

Always wanted a Europa cup run anyway.

[Toby]

I'm not watching so I'm going to assume it's just drifted past everyone, including a hapless goalkeeper, having been played in a percentage fashion from a wide area.

Nah, was right on the edge of the box, he hit it really well. Casillas didn't even move though so it's hard to say if it would have beat a better keeper.

[SvN]

Jimmy, just out of interest, why don't you just stream the BT sport matches?

[Raoul Duke]

It went in on the keeper's side.

[phonics]

Conceding from a corner is a new low. Always finding them.

[Limoutsonik]

Guys if you got any decent streams,feel free to post 'em.Thanks

[Pen]

Decent free kick from Will.I.Am, but Casillas looks bobbins. Total fuck up.

To be fair, he was signing to his team that he can't see anything.

[Jeet]

Wenger has been in charge of Arsenal for 20 years and still has not sorted our set pieces weakness

[Magic]

Fucking lol @ the English teams.

[Toby]

Drawing away to Porto doesn't really warrant much lolz. That's the first goal they've conceded at home for months.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jimmy, just out of interest, why don't you just stream the BT sport matches?

Because I can't be arsed.

[John]

The Goals Show is free to air on ESPN, Floyd.

[Mazuuurk]

Arsenal fucking themselves out of the CL here :cab:

[Pen]

You can't put the links up here. PM them it anyone who needs it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Another hattrick from Lewandowski.

What a fucking hero.

[Yevrah]

Fuck me English clubs have been brutal in Europe so far this season.

[Luca]

Is that Leverkusen bloke the same Papadopoulos that was a wonderkid CB on FM?

[Giggles]

What do the Italians need to do to nab the 4th place spot?

[Jeet]

Kos done his hamstring. Out of ManUtd game

[Max Power]

I presume Esteban is masterminding this performance at the Emirates...

[Jeet]

What do the Italians need to do to nab the 4th place spot?

Sit back and laugh at the English teams.

[Jeet]

......All the GK's having shockers and we are up against a super GK.

[Yevrah]

What do the Italians need to do to nab the 4th place spot?

Once the 11/12 season drops off the total they'll be ahead of us as it stands now.

So season after next (amIrite Jim?)

[Max Power]

They'd still need to have a decent season I think. Although with Napoli, Lazio and possibly Roma in the Europa League you'd fancy them to rack up some points in that while the English teams fuck it off.

[TG09]

......All the GK's having shockers and we are up against a super GK.

This is madness, come on arsenal

[Yevrah]

They'd still need to have a pretty good season I think. Although with Napoli, Lazio and possibly Roma in the Europa League you'd fancy them to rack up some points in that while the English teams fuck it off.

I've been banging on about this for ages, but English teams binning that off was madness.

[Giggles]

Fucking lol.

How do you finally equalise and then lie down like that?

[Smiffy]

Arsenal. :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fucking hell :D

[Jeet]

Really???????????

[Max Power]

I've been banging on about this for ages, but English teams binning that off was madness.

I saw Carragher fighting the good fight on Sky last night but the clubs don't seem to get it.

Great banter from Arsenal here

[Mazuuurk]

Walcott is actually showing a little bit of touch in this.

LOL as I'm typing Olympiakos scored again. Arsenals defence is a shambles.

[TG09]

Oh dear, oh my good. WTF.

[Toby]

Fucking hell, Arsenal. :D

[TG09]

BFG is pants, too slow now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Once the 11/12 season drops off the total they'll be ahead of us as it stands now.

So season after next (amIrite Jim?)

We'll be alright for a year or two, it's 2018 and beyond where the problems start.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

BFG is pants, too slow now.
Now?

[John]

Brahimi is a delight.

[Max Power]

Chelsea looking dreadful again. Porto should be out of sight.

[Jeet]

Now?

Well it is his birthday today.

[Toby]

Brahimi has looked seriously good tonight. Is this his standard level or is he having a particularly good game?

[Waffdon]

Lol at Fabregas still playinng.

[Max Power]

Can't wait for Brahimi and Mahrez either wing in January. The French-born-but-playing-for-Algeria Connection.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Brahimi has looked seriously good tonight. Is this his standard level or is he having a particularly good game?

He had a great World Cup last year and, IIRC, African cup of Nations too.

[TG09]

Well it is his birthday today.

True that, 33 or 34 now.

[Jeet]

true that, 33 or 34 now.

31 :d

[Max Power]

Only been watching for a couple of minutes but some first class pointing and talking from Cambiasso. LEADER.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

True that, 33 or 34 now.

He's always had the pace of a 60 year old though.

[TG09]

He's always had the pace of a 60 year old though.

Haha yeah, need to off load him end of the season.

[Mellberg]

......All the GK's having shockers and we are up against a super GK.

You claim this every other week. Try finding the corners.

[Toby]

Ivanovic is so frightfully bad at the moment. Hard to believe he was the most consistent player in the team not that long ago.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Coefficients:

For 2016 we are 4 or so points ahead of Italy, which is plenty unless they go on to bumrush the Europa League and Juventus win the CL while English teams bomb.
For 2017 we are currently 0.15 points ahead, which is fuck all and will need us to do better in that (and possibly this) season.
For 2018 we are down to 4th with Italy passing both us and the Germans for 2nd. That can change a lot though as so far we only have half of the results which will count.

[Toby]

BT commentators are currently going mad about Chelsea not being awarded what would have been one of the softest penalties imaginable.

It's baffling that they can smash it out the park with the quality of production but piss that all away by having morons drone over it.

[Sam]

English football is rather tragic when it comes to any game of general significance.

[Raoul Duke]

Looked a penalty to me. He moves his arm towards the ball, quite clearly.

Fuck Costa though, so whatever.

[Waffdon]

BT commentators are currently going mad about Chelsea not being awarded what would have been one of the softest penalties imaginable.

It's baffling that they can smash it out the park with the quality of production but piss that all away by having morons drone over it.

It was a penalty.

Arsenal up against Bayern twice :drool:

[Jeet]

Wenger Knows...


that we are out of the Cl

[QE Harold Flair]

We might as well go out in the group stages, anyway. Every one of their goals was from proper lol defending. At least I can be obsessed with Chelsea and lol at them.

[Toby]

It's one you occasionally see given, it's not "OMG I can't believe they've missed that" levels of poor decision making.

[Giggles]

All the better if it was one. They deserve a few of those.

[Multi]

Ramsey is goal horny again and as a result playing shite. Been so this whole season so far.

[Pen]

Arsenal could be out already when they next face Olympiacos. Zero points from those two opening games is really really bad. Seems crazy that they're on the brink of going out from a group so shit.

[Davgooner]

Miffs me that he always takes Coquelin off when we're chasing a goal. It's the opposition's wet dream, that.

[Davgooner]

Now?

Aye. He's looking a bit off it this season. Having said that, he hadn't been warming up prior to coming on so it was always going to difficult for him.

[Mellberg]

English football dying in Europe and as a result becoming more competitive? Long shot, but :drool:

[Jeet]

Ox won't make it at Arsenal. Really is our Aaron Lennon.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How fucked are Arsenal then? If for the sake of argument Dinamo Zagreb lose the rest of their matches, it will end up like this:

1 Bayern 3 - 9
2 Olympiakos 4 - 9
3 Dinamo 6 - 3
4 Arsenal 3 - 3

They'd then need 7/9 points from the two games against Bayern and the one in Piraeus.

[Magic]

:harold:

[QE Harold Flair]

How fucked are Arsenal then? If for the sake of argument Dinamo Zagreb lose the rest of their matches, it will end up like this:

1 Bayern 3 - 9
2 Olympiakos 4 - 9
3 Dinamo 6 - 3
4 Arsenal 3 - 3

They'd then need 7/9 points from the two games against Bayern and the one in Piraeus.

What difference does it make if we get through in second? It's a waste of time. Knowing us we'll probably beat Bayern next.

[Davgooner]

Oh it's over. Best case scenario we end up at the Lane in the Europa.

[Mellberg]

Knowing you Bayern will give yee a right shafting.

@ Haz

[Pen]

Even if we assume that they match Olympiacos points in the next two game weeks where they play Bayern twice whilst Olympiacos play Dinamo, they still need to beat Olympiacos 2-3 (or better) away.

@Jim

[Reg]

Are you Arsenal fans still behind Wenger?

I'm not saying it's awful or anything, but what would it take for you to want to see him go?

[Lewis]

United (or rather Anthony Martial) will save the coefficient. 'LvG' said so.

[Toby]

They could always end up with five Champions League places if Arsenal or another Europea League team bothers to actually do anything.

[Yevrah]

Are you Arsenal fans still behind Wenger?

I'm not saying it's awful or anything, but what would it take for you to want to see him go?

They'll be against him for a bit, before an inevitable (but ultimately futile) good performance/result in one of the matches against Bayern.

[Davgooner]

If the 4th spot goes then Spurs are fucking nailed on for it.

[Giggles]

If the 4th spot goes then Spurs are fucking nailed on for it.

:drool: that'd be so Spurs.

[Jeet]

Wenger has caused his own downfall this season, you can't hide away from that.

[Boydy]

Anyone know what Glenn Hoddle's lapel badge is?

[AE]

We are so shit! No chance were qualifying when we play Bayern twice in a row.

[Lewis]

Anyone know what Glenn Hoddle's lapel badge is?

Spastics Society.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Wenger's future will be decided by a two-man panel consisting of Claude and Ty.

[TG09]

I am not AW out, I want him to move upstairs and can manage the finances etc.. from there. Get a new manager you can manage the players better and get some really leaders in the team.

[Jeet]

Wenger will do one once the top 4 CL spots goes in the league

[Magic]

He's binned his wife to focus on arsenal. Proper commitment.

[Jeet]

He's binned his wife to focus on arsenal. Proper commitment.

Prob left him because he was so tight and did same shit every time in bed thinking it will satisfy her

[Jeet]

Wenger has come out with 'Cech was injured' excuse again, like when Almunia had that had injury for half a season.....

[AE]

Miffs me that he always takes Coquelin off when we're chasing a goal. It's the opposition's wet dream, that.

Glad I'm not the only one that thinks this.

[Magic]

Prob left him because he was so tight and did same shit every time in bed thinking it will satisfy her

lol.

[Jeet]

Coquelin may still have been injured slightly?

[Reg]

This guy celebrates scoring by drinking a fan's beer.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2015/sep/29/danish-footballer-celebrates-equaliser-with-a-pint-of-beer-video

[Jeet]

BT asking "How can there ever be a benefit to not playing your first-choice keeper." Wenger says: "I know things you don't know."

:facepalm: Fuck me Arsene. Talk about throwing your toys out.

[niko_cee]

BT paying a fortune for Champions' League rights as all interest is lost in England. It's ITV Digital all over again.

:drool:

[John]

BT asking "How can there ever be a benefit to not playing your first-choice keeper." Wenger says: "I know things you don't know."

:facepalm: Fuck me Arsene. Talk about throwing your toys out.

That doesn't constitute throwing his toys out of the pram. Your contributions to this thread, however, do have the whiff of tantrum about them.

[Jeet]

That doesn't constitute throwing his toys out of the pram. Your contributions to this thread, however, do have the whiff of tantrum about them.

Arsenal fan + Internet. What you expect?

[John Arne]

Saying "I know things you don't know" is a strange thing to say. Just say "Cech is injured" or "We had to play Ospina because of xyz"....

[Dark Soldier]

Who the fuck told jeet about this place?

[TG09]

Saying "I know things you don't know" is a strange thing to say. Just say "Cech is injured" or "We had to play Ospina because of xyz"....

Would make sense to a normal person.

[elth]

BT paying a fortune for Champions' League rights as all interest is lost in England. It's ITV Digital all over again.

:drool:

Won't be the first media company United's TV rights have propped up.

[Adam]

Arsenal surely not going to qualify now.

[Andy]

What a big bag of shit. English teams are terrible.

[Benny]

Spurs smashed the mighty Qarabağ FK, don't know what you're on about mate.

[Luke Emia]

Arsenal shit the bed once again then. Just in time for the customary defeat to United as well.

[Angelsaint]

Lol at Fabregas still playinng.Never liked him but this season he added shitness to his usual cuntiness.


Brahimi has looked seriously good tonight. Is this his standard level or is he having a particularly good game?he has been shit for half a season since Porto denied his transfer to some English club.


This guy celebrates scoring by drinking a fan's beer.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2015/sep/29/danish-footballer-celebrates-equaliser-with-a-pint-of-beer-video
He is a totally moron. Got fired from Rosenborg for bad behavior.

[Toby]

If Lewandowski could pick up an injury before next Thursday, that'd be real nice. Scotland don't have much hope if he can bring his current form for Poland. :uhoh:

[Giggles]

Are those coming up that soon? I don't know whether to be more afraid of Germany or him.

[Toby]

Yeah, start next Thursday then closing games of the group on the Sunday.

[Reg]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/30/swindon-liverpool-lawrence-vigouroux-fine-1p-coins

"The Liverpool goalkeeper Lawrence Vigouroux has returned to Swindon Town on loan after apologising for paying a £50 fine with 5,000 1p pieces."

:D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Such a dickhead.

[Toby]

What a horrible person.

[Giggles]

That's fucking brilliant.

[Magic]

Has to be the City game tonight gents.

[Magic]

Savage as a Co-commentator? Lol.

[Magic]

'Wrighty' seems to reckon these lot are jokers and City should smash them. Not looking that way so far you gormless cunt.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That defending :face:

[Jeet]

Cheering on the English so we keep the top 4 spots as we are not certainly gonna do anything about

[Yevrah]

I quite like the idea of the English losing it.

Given how football, football, football the whole thing's become it could do with being taken down a peg or two. I'm still convinced I'll see it shit itself in my lifetime.

[Magic]

The City game is pretty decent. Their defending is shocking so MC have a chance.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I quite like the idea of the English losing it.

Given how football, football, football the whole thing's become it could do with being taken down a peg or two. I'm still convinced I'll see it shit itself in my lifetime.

FIFA's collapsing, everything MASSIVE is now at the whim of Yanks, Russians and Arabs... no way it doesn't come crashing down within our working lives.

[Magic]

Pen to MGB.

Shite penalty.

[Yevrah]

FIFA's collapsing, everything MASSIVE is now at the whim of Yanks, Russians and Arabs... no way it doesn't come crashing down within our working lives.

I hope so. I'll get the beers, you bring the houmous?

[Magic]

This is end to end but I'm half tempted to turn it over to lol @ the scum.

[Luca]

Fuck's sake, Rooney.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm glad Rooney is off penalties now.

[Magic]

Hart has been awesome tonight.

[Magic]

Another awesome save by Hart.

lol booked for a blatant penalty. Fuck sake ref.

[Davgooner]

Fuck BT.

[Max Power]

Gladbach should be like 5-3 up. Entertaining game.

[Luca]

I'm convinced Van Gaal fines wingers who pass to overlapping fullbacks.

[Luca]

What a flick by Mata. :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Mata :drool:

Fucking hell.

[Magic]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL .

Useless City cunts, and you have to say they deserve their lead. Well fucking in.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

At least United are here to save the English rabble.

[Lewis]

United are probably boring enough to manage a semi-final run, yet sort of crap enough not to even get through. Tricky.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Pound shop Griezmann is having another good game.

[Magic]

The officiating in this game has been shit big decision wise. Two incorrect penalty decisions and a missed over the line.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://vine.co/v/eQvKweXDjtb

Mata is a hero.

[Reg]

Only got in recently so missed Chris "in the top 3 Manchester United players" Smalling score. :(

Mahow Are you watching the BT goals thing again? Don't you support United?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Only got in recently so missed Chris "in the top 3 Manchester United players" Smalling score. :(

Mahow Are you watching the BT goals thing again? Don't you support United?

Yes and yes.

[randomlegend]

We had the FEC at centre back all along :drool:

[Lewis]

I wonder whether 'LvG' is sticking with Rooney to prove he's gone crap, thereby making it easier to chuck him at the end of the year. Otherwise he would just end up with people like me saying he hasn't had a proper go.

[Jimmy Floyd]

On the Sky soccer Saturday not on Saturday show, Matt Le Tissier just said, during banter about how useless the goal line officials are: "They were Michel Platini's idea - I wonder if that's what he charged Sepp Blatter all that money for and waited ten years to receive it'.

Oof.

[Max Power]

Great game. Still fancy City to get binned out the group though, Sevilla might have their act together by the time they face off.

The fact I enjoyed the game despite a hellish commentary duo of Peter Drury and Robbie Savage is further testament to it's quality.

[John]

I'm hearing Robbie Savage pitched up tonight wearing a body warmer beneath a suit jacket. That can't be right, surely? Even he isn't that big a twat.

[Magic]

:D

It's trueish. The warmer was on top. I thought he looked fat at first. He then uttered Blehblurgh Glablurgh because he couldn't pronounce it properly.

[John]

Facebook to the rescue.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2q093xy.jpg

What the fuck is he playing at?

[Reg]

I think it's more stupid that presenters and pundits have to be suited and tied.

[Ian]

The state of him. :D

Just saw Mata's flick for the Smalling goal. Lovely stuff.

[phonics]

He's clearly freezing (it's fucking cold over here, the wind is an absolute bastard atm) and they're forcing him to wear a jacket. Being from Wales you would figure he could man it out but I can't criticise him for it.

[Disco]

Sleeves rolled up too, what is this Miami Vice?

[Toby]

He's clearly freezing (it's fucking cold over here, the wind is an absolute bastard atm) and they're forcing him to wear a jacket. Being from Wales you would figure he could man it out but I can't criticise him for it.

I really doubt they'd have asked him to take a proper coat off.

[Angelsaint]

Ronaldo is such a tool but without a doubt, best player in the world.

[phonics]

I really doubt they'd have asked him to take a proper coat off.

True, he does deserve everything for the Gilet.

[Mellberg]

Savage in THE STUDIO is bad enough. Putting him on as co-commentator is serious crimes against humanity territory.

[Reg]

Guardian reporting that Chelsea's squad is unhappy. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/30/chelsea-squad-concerned-jose-mourinho-scapegoating

Is dropping Terry a misguided "anyone can be dropped" motivational tactic?

[Toby]

Guardian reporting that Chelsea's squad is unhappy.

Stunning investigative journalism.

[Adam]

Ronaldo is such a tool but without a doubt, best player in the world.

Bollocks.

[Angelsaint]

Bollocks.

Brilliant argument.

[Magic]

Bloody hell savage didn't look like that when they first went pitch side?

[Yevrah]

I'm starting to believe that Mourinho is fucking this.

[Weaver]

The Moenchengladbach vs Man City game was great to watch last night - the defending was a disgrace, but neither cared and just attacked each other all game.

It was a brave move for Pellegrini to change Touré and Silva for Fernando and Navas when he did as well, considering they are two of his kingpins.

[Giggles]

It's Europa day :chief:

[Davgooner]

I'm starting to think the Europa is the best competition around.

[Angelsaint]

I'm starting to believe that Mourinho is fucking this. I have seen the other two in the group. Porto and Chelsea will cruise.

[Mazuuurk]

Sup, Saint :cool:

[Angelsaint]

Sup, Saint :cool:
All good. Nice to be " back" but missing hennerz.

[Mazuuurk]

He's around, isn't he?

[Boydy]

You actually seem alright since your return, Saint. What's happened?

[Benny]

It's Europa day :chief:

Love it.

Hopefully Fazio starts and is left in Monaco.

[Max Power]

Ronaldo pulls level with Raul on the Real Madrid scoring charts. Did it in 433 fewer games :serious:

[Benny]

Has the league weakened since Raul was donning it?

:sherlock:

[Angelsaint]

You actually seem alright since your return, Saint. What's happened?
Not much I guess.
Not bothered to be a troll anymore, still an huge cunt though.

[Lewis]

Madrid seemed to score between eighty and ninety goals in the years Raul was playing, compared to over a hundred now, so it's probably a bit of the rest becoming worse, EL CLASICO monopolising the supporting talent, and Ronaldo being miles better than Raul ever was.

[Adam]

Brilliant argument.

No need for an argument/debate Messi is superior, simple as that.

[Angelsaint]

No need for an argument/debate Messi is superior, simple as that. And how you got to that conclusion?

[QE Harold Flair]

Messi has an equivalent goal scoring ratio and has more facets to his game. I think it's a fairly obvious answer.

[Adam]

Messi has an equivalent goal scoring ratio and has more facets to his game. I think it's a fairly obvious answer.

Excatly.

[Benny]

I bloody love a Ronaldo v Messi debate.

[Reg]

It'll be interesting to see how they both adapt their games in their thirties. Ronaldo I imagine will be a less mobile no9, but Messi's less obvious. You'd maybe say more of a playmaker no10 type if he were at another team, but Barcelona will always play 4-3-3 about 95+% of the time, so there isn't that option.

[Angelsaint]

Messi has an equivalent goal scoring ratio and has more facets to his game. I think it's a fairly obvious answer.
Ronaldo has without a doubt more "facets" to his game. Messi is a lot more easy to eliminate from the game.
Equivalent score ratio? Read almost the same as Ronaldo.

Ronaldo is without a doubt the best of both and I am not a fan of that traitor, Manchester United fan.

[John]

Ronaldo has without a doubt more "facets" to his game. Messi is a lot more easy to eliminate from the game.
Equivalent score ratio? Read almost the same as Ronaldo.

Ronaldo is without a doubt the best of both and I am not a fan of that traitor, Manchester United fan.

I'd like some numbers on that.

[Angelsaint]

I'd like some numbers on that.
Google.com

[John]

Google.com

I wanted to know which erroneous ones you were using, because Messi has a better career goalscoring ratio and a better ratio over the time since Ronaldo joined Real Madrid.

[Mazuuurk]

The fact that everyone are still having this discussion after all these years should be proof enough that there's really not that much significant difference in quality between them. I have my personal preference, as everyone does, but really, they are both more or less equally amazing players.

[Pen]

The fact that both of them have been scoring more than a goal a game for the better part of a decade is nothing short incredible.

Has there been a single player in the top leagues of Europe who would've done that even for one full season?

[John Arne]

Just bought my tickets for tonight's game. Available on general sale :face:

[QE Harold Flair]

Gerd Muller did several times, if the German league of that time counts as a top league.

[Pen]

I should've clarified that I meant during that time (so 2009 to present).

[Benny]

Just bought my tickets for tonight's game. Available on general sale :face:

Think it's quite common now, for some reason. Having a nightmare getting tickets for the Anderlecht game away, got everything else booked :(

[Jimmy Floyd]

I should've clarified that I meant during that time (so 2009 to present).

Closest in that time to doing so were Suarez 31 in 33 and, somehow, Drogba 29 in 32.

[Angelsaint]

Wenger not paying the clause for William should be enough reason for him to get fired. Mourinho should ship matic while he is worth a dime and buy William at once. Best DM in the world. That imbula from Porto too If he is on sale like reported.

[Luke Emia]

Someone needs to put Joe Allen out of his misery he's having a nightmare.

[Boydy]

This is proper turd.

[Mike]

It's classic Liverpool these days :(

[Luke Emia]

This is what we do lads. I like to call it 'Being Spurs'

[niko_cee]

In fairness to Spurs, they usually lol their way past the shite in the wafer group stages.

[Luke Emia]

Coutinho looks estatic to be coming on.

[Luke Emia]

I'm sure we were 'Excellent'

[John Arne]

What a waste of £30.
Turgid, slow and horrible.

[Reg]

Were Liverpool as bad as the result suggests? I've never even heard of Sion.

I'd love to see what Klopp could do with that squad.

John Arne, were you at Liverpool? I thought you lived abroad?

[niko_cee]

Traveled all the way from Vietnam especially. There'll be a BBC news story about him.

[John Arne]

I'm on a summer holiday back in England for a month.
I'm watching as much live sport as possible.
We were awful. Just so slow and meaningless. We also miss a bit of leadership on the pitch - it was very quite.
Lallana, Ings and Can, despite not playing particularly great, at least tried to change the game.

[Gray Fox]

So I'm now in 2 minds. While I'd hate for us to get smashed by Everton(we're going to be), it might well be what's needed to get the clown out the club.

[-james-]

Went to the Celtic game tonight. Nani and Van Persie literally might as well have been on their yachts.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The clown will always be there in spirit.

http://img50.photobucket.com/albums/v153/sashi_net/sashi-pics/anfield_rd_end.jpg

[Lewis]

I wonder whether Jurgen 'Jurgen Klopp' Klopp's stock is going to fall during his 'sabbatical'. Dortmund seem to be doing quite well and playing Good Football under some binman from Mainz (which is all Klopp was), so was he all that remarkable?

[Yevrah]

If he wasn't, then we've probably reached the stage where managers don't matter. Which surely has to be bullshit.

[Lewis]

I think he was a good coach, as the new bloke obviously is; but Dortmund have a Sporting Director who signs the players according to their philosophy (lol), so what is he going to do with Liverpool's crap squad and the burden of having to renovate it? I think it's more of a gamble than people realise. Don't Swansea have a similar set up where the manager doesn't sign the players? 'Brendan' looked good there because he's a good coach, but then he went to Liverpool and spent a quarter of a billion quid on crap. That's kind of what I'm getting at.

[Boydy]

https://vine.co/v/eQTuxmVWl12

"It's a rebuilding job again" he says.

What?