BBC Pay

[Magic]

£2.2m for Evans. :lol:

[Giggles]

£2.2m for Evans. :lol:

What?

[Dave.]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40653383

[Jimmy Floyd]

So let's say he has 4 weeks leave (it's probably more) and does 240 shows a year, he's getting just over £9,000 per show, or to put it another way, £3,000 an hour.

[GS]

Lineker on £1.8m is laughable, as well. Jeremy Vine is also useless, but he's getting £750k a year too.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

£2.2m for Evans. :lol:

Criminal.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/19/revealed-full-list-bbcs-96-highest-paid-stars/

Full list but in an awful layout.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Richard Osman making less that £150k a year is a bit strange.

Nick 'Grimmy' Grimshaw taking home around £350k :sick:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jools Holland paid £200,000-£249,999 to bash out a few glissandos and make terrible sex faces.

Osman works for Endemol doesn't he? Not the BBC.

[Disco]

Richard Osman making less that £150k a year is a bit strange.

He'll be on a big wedge from whatever production company he inevitably works for.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Oh of course, the line people are taking on this is that women and blacks are paid less than men and whites. Put that bake off woman on eight million now.

[Magic]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/19/revealed-full-list-bbcs-96-highest-paid-stars/

Full list but in an awful layout.

Already there is plenty of BLACK fallout. CRIMINAL.

[John Arne]

Oh of course, the line people are taking on this is that women and blacks are paid less than men and whites. Put that bake off woman on eight million now.

Yeah, I've just had the misfortune of reading some of the Guardians thoughts on this. Apparently, the fact that the highest earner isn't a black women is an affront to all humanity. They are a fucking parody.

[Lewis]

I think the BBC still spends about thirty million quid a year on BBC3, so I get the feeling that giving Crisps a million quid to be the effective face of its sports coverage represents relatively decent value.

[phonics]

Yeah, I've just had the misfortune of reading some of the Guardians thoughts on this. Apparently, the fact that the highest earner isn't a black women is an affront to all humanity. They are a fucking parody.

Some people will always go overboard but I think stuff where John Humphreys is on 650 grand for Today whereas his female co-presenter doesn't even appear on it (meaning she's earning less than 150k) is worth highlighting

[Lewis]

Some people will always go overboard but I think stuff where John Humphreys is on 650 grand for Today whereas his female co-presenter doesn't even appear on it (meaning she's earning less than 150k) is worth highlighting

It highlights that he is more valuable to the programme than his nameless female co-presenter.

[Dave.]

Some people will always go overboard but I think stuff where John Humphreys is on 650 grand for Today whereas his female co-presenter doesn't even appear on it (meaning she's earning less than 150k) is worth highlighting

I'm not disputing your wider point but he also does Mastermind.

[Magic]

I'm not disputing your wider point but he also does Mastermind.

Shut up and get with the narrative

[John]

Some people will always go overboard but I think stuff where John Humphreys is on 650 grand for Today whereas his female co-presenter doesn't even appear on it (meaning she's earning less than 150k) is worth highlighting

One of his male co-presenters is at the very bottom of the list too, and one of his female co-presenters is higher up than that male. He's been in the job for thirty years, of course he's earning the most.

[Baz]

My boy Trev on a smooth £250k. :cool:

[Dave.]

Shut up and get with the narrative

What the fuck are you on about?:cab:

[Spikey M]

Evans on 4x what Winkleman is on. :face:

[GS]

Paying the best political presenters, interviewers, journalists a good whack is entirely reasonable. Quality news output is their bread and butter.

The issue is things like Crisps on £1.8m. There's no public interest in the BBC paying that. Anyone can read an autocue.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If we were all paid to post on here according to market value, whose inflated pay would we be seething about? Probably Magic's.

[randomlegend]

I saw a locum job for a fully GMC registered doctor (so basically at least one year out of med school) which paid £80-120 an hour to do assessments for the DVLA.

That seemed pretty obscene to me.

[Spikey M]

What are all these Dr's whinging about their wages for then?

[GS]

Given doctors are altruistic angels, none of them would take a pay packet that is monstrously unfair to the tax payer.

[Magic]

What the fuck are you on about?:cab:

:face:

[Dave.]

:face:

:eyemouth:

[phonics]

What are all these Dr's whinging about their wages for then?

Junior Doctors are the ones still in med school not doing locum work, no?

[Spikey M]

Most people in Higher Education aren't receiving a wage at all (unless they part time at Starbucks) so they still need to simmer down.

Anyway, that's the thread nice and de-railed so I'll be off now.

[GS]

Junior Doctors are the ones still in med school not doing locum work, no?

No.

[GS]

Some of the attempts to highlight the equivalence or otherwise of BBC staff to private sector employees (e.g Paul Dacre) really is missing the point spectacularly.

[John Arne]

Lineker has definitely landed on his feet. Present one show a week, from an autocue and get paid £35k a week. Lovely jubbly.

[Magic]

The worry now is the best talent on THE BEEB will be poached by Sky and co for shitty advert filled remakes and slightly more money.

[Magic]

Lauren Laverne bringing in nearly half a mil a year? Fuck me.

[John Arne]

One of his male co-presenters is at the very bottom of the list too, and one of his female co-presenters is higher up than that male. He's been in the job for thirty years, of course he's earning the most.

Humphreys has been at the BBC for 51 years according the Wikipedia. Like you said, it's strange that some people compare his salary to the female presenter, Hussein, but fail to mention the lowest employee, Webb, who happens to be a bloke.

EDIT: ah, 30 years at The Today programme. Still, 51 all in.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Humphrys should be paid £0. He's even worse than Dimbleby when it comes to clinging on past his best.

[John Arne]

Lauren Laverne bringing in nearly half a mil a year? Fuck me.

One of the few names on the list that I genuinely have no idea who it is.

[Magic]

One of the few names on the list that I genuinely have no idea who it is.

Harsh. She has a great radio show, does Glastonbury, does Mercury awards etc. Didn't think she'd be paid that much though. Unless the presentation of the award/festival are lump sums?

[randomlegend]

What are all these Dr's whinging about their wages for then?

Well the vast majority of doctors aren't doing that kind of job and getting paid anything like that kind of wage.

[randomlegend]

Given doctors are altruistic angels, none of them would take a pay packet that is monstrously unfair to the tax payer.

Let it go, mate.

[GS]

I won't because you'd need to be naive or incredibly foolish to believe it and alas you do.

[Spikey M]

Well the vast majority of doctors aren't doing that kind of job and getting paid anything like that kind of wage.

Should have done engineering.

I know I should have. :(

[Spikey M]

Aren't most Doctors (Indians) in the profession because their Fathers said they had to?

[John]

It's a really strange thing to have a bee in your bonnet about. Yeah, mate, fuck doctors.

[Pepe]

How many teachers could be paid with that?

[igor_balis]

Jools Holland paid £200,000-£249,999 to bash out a few glissandos and make terrible sex faces.

Osman works for Endemol doesn't he? Not the BBC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04mwN5Zjg5c

[Pepe]

Cladding.

[Magic]

Cladding.

Lol.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Elfwick managed to get banned from twitter, worth it though.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFHKoh0XkAAxyen.jpg

[Magic]

Fuck sake. :D

[John]

How the dickens did that get him banned?

[Magic]

Lineker reported him. He's such a precious, virtue-signalling cunt.

[Lewis]

[S]He has regenerated though. :cool:

[igor_balis]

That cunt looks like the receptionist in Monsters Inc.

[Giggles]

Who the fuck is Elfwick?

[Spikey M]

One of My Chemical Romance I think.

[igor_balis]

Not to be confused with Michael Elpick:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTA6T5Tj4Fo

Mert's favourite song, that.

[Giggles]

One of My Chemical Romance I think.


So, unimportant in every scheme of things.

[GS]

It's a fair point. Wor Gaz is constantly complaining about refugees and the like. He could quite handily throw a million quid a year at it (£20,000 per annum for one refugee, so he could personally sponsor fifty of them) and still have a great lifestyle, but that would require SACRIFICE from a Citizen of the World.

[igor_balis]

He probably does give money to causes like that, though.

[Giggles]

It's a fair point. Wor Gaz is constantly complaining about refugees and the like. He could quite handily throw a million quid a year at it (£20,000 per annum for one refugee, so he could personally sponsor fifty of them) and still have a great lifestyle, but that would require SACRIFICE from a Citizen of the World.

So could a lot of people. But why do anything successful if you're going to fuck it all away? Freebies aren't the best way for this lot to sort themselves out in the long run.

[GS]

So could a lot of people. But why do anything successful if you're going to fuck it all away? Freebies aren't the best way for this lot to sort themselves out in the long run.

I agree, but then we're not the ones demanding we open the doors to any and everyone who fancies coming here.

[Boydy]

So could a lot of people. But why do anything successful if you're going to fuck it all away? Freebies aren't the best way for this lot to sort themselves out in the long run.

:nodd:

Revolution not charity.

[Lewis]

Crisps probably spends most of his money keeping his idiot family in trainers and vodka, so he is sort of a socialist.

[Kikó]

This fucking debate again. People with money can't have morals apparently as it makes them hypocrites. What do you know what Gaz Lin does with his money? You boring cunt.

[GS]

It matters when it's the poor people he'd see kicked off the housing waiting list whilst he fannies about in his Porsche. And it would matter if the money was redirected from, say, the health budget whilst he enjoys world class private healthcare with his publicly-funded salary. It's easy to virtue signal when you're not the one who'd have to pay for it or be remotely inconvenienced by it in any way.

[Kikó]

Absolute bollocks.

[randomlegend]

I don't even know what virtue-signalling is.

[Shindig]

Entertainers make bank. Turns out they appeal to a wider, global audience than an NHS doctor in your local hospital.

[Magic]

I don't even know what virtue-signalling is.

Lol it means he signals virtue.

[Boydy]

This fucking debate again. People with money can't have morals apparently as it makes them hypocrites. What do you know what Gaz Lin does with his money? You boring cunt.

Now you're getting there.

And people without money are just envious.

[Adamski]

Kyle Walker earns £1m a month and this is an issue?

[Spikey M]

Kyle Walker isn't Tax payer funded.

[Lewis]

It's more specifically advocating for greater wealth redistribution (through increased taxation), whilst not actually appearing to do anything to that end, rather than their 'morals'.

[GS]

Well, it's easy for Gaz Lin to present himself as the moral face of the nation knowing full well that there's no circumstance in which he'll personally have to sacrifice anything. It's remarkably easy to take a moral stand when you're unaffected.

[Adamski]

Kyle Walker isn't Tax payer funded.

He is to an extent.

[Kikó]

Well, it's easy for Gaz Lin to present himself as the moral face of the nation knowing full well that there's no circumstance in which he'll personally have to sacrifice anything. It's remarkably easy to take a moral stand when you're unaffected.

Why do you have the inside track to Gazza's spending habits?

Basically if you're poor, you're feckless. If you're rich, you're insincere. If you're middle class, you should let the Tories decide best for you.. Unless you're an accountant, you don't know better and you don't challenge the status quo.

[Bartholomert]

Ah another case of the limousine socialists exposed for their hypocrisy...

[Lewis]

Rich socialists are insincere. Not rich people generally.

[GS]

Well, that's a rather drastic and I daresay misleading over-simplification. You're also missing the point I'm making.

If he personally chooses to contribute to something, that's fine. He's making a personal choice how he spends his own money. If he wishes to contribute to a particular cause through his own charity, fine.

What Crisps does, however, is advocate that a significant whack of taxpayer money be directed at a particular moral cause he's taken an interest in. The consequences for him personally are zilch. He's asking other people to make the sacrifice to appease what he sees as his superior moral code. Meanwhile he claims £1.8m in taxpayer money to read an autocue.

[mo]

For me, the biggest surprise on that list was that Tess Daly is 48. Fair play.

[Magic]

What do people want? For these lot to be replaced with much cheaper, shite options just because it's taxpayer funded? Imagine having Garth Crooks present MOTD.

Or fucking I don't know, local fucking Guernsey FM present Radio 1 breakfast.

What about an extra off the SyFy channel be the next Dr Who?

I'd be far more interested to see what cunts like that cunt Dr. Christian, Bear Grylls or Phil fucking Mitchell earn. I bet it's obscene amounts. What about Lineker's pay packet from BTS? I bet it's at least double what BBC pay him.

EDIT: Fuck, Eastenders is BBC...ok what about bloody Richard Hillman? Or Dierdre? This rant has turned in to a shambles. :(

[John]

People are generally more interested in where their money is going, yes.

[Magic]

People are generally more interested in where their money is going, yes.

Bollocks. All this has done is given some fuckwits another reason to be OUTRAGED and now we'll see poaching or jealousy of the good ones and they'll fuck off for way more money. Well done the arsehole who motioned for this. I bet it's what they wanted, the scrapping of the BBC, nobody will want to pay a license fee when fucking...I don't even know. Somebody utterly shit and dire is presenting anything you enjoy watching, or used to. It'll still cost the same. Get the idiots who read THE SUN and THE EXPRESS to openly voice hatred for the BBC and use it as an excuse to shut it down. Like BREXIT.

[Max Power]

How much should the presenter of Match of the Day be paid?

[GS]

Bollocks. All this has done is given some fuckwits another reason to be OUTRAGED and now we'll see poaching or jealousy of the good ones and they'll fuck off for way more money. Well done the arsehole who motioned for this. I bet it's what they wanted, the scrapping of the BBC, nobody will want to pay a license fee when fucking...I don't even know. Somebody utterly shit and dire is presenting anything you enjoy watching, or used to. It'll still cost the same. Get the idiots who read THE SUN and THE EXPRESS to openly voice hatred for the BBC and use it as an excuse to shut it down. Like BREXIT.

If it's so good, why don't they introduce voluntary subscription?

[phonics]

I want them to spend Gary Lineker's money on nuclear weapons. Where's my referendum?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I want them to spend it on bringing back Rastamouse.

[Magic]

If it's so good, why don't they introduce voluntary subscription?

Lol.

[Magic]

How much should the presenter of Match of the Day be paid?

Probably not that much, but we don't know the market to compare.

[GS]

Lol.

Seriously. If it's so good, why not introduce voluntary subscription?

[phonics]

Probably not that much, but we don't know the market to compare.

Neville earns 1.5m.

Thierry Henry makes 4m a year from Sky.

Bloody foreigners.

[Magic]

Seriously. If it's so good, why not introduce voluntary subscription?

Ok. I'll ask Rupert what he thinks.

[Magic]

Neville earns 1.5.

Thierry Henry makes 4 mil a year from Sky.

Bloody foreigners.

Exactly, fucking shit pundits.

[GS]

If it was private money and voluntary purchase, you just wouldn't buy the product if you didn't like it. I don't see what you're finding so difficult about this.

[Reg]

Wait, Henry earns more than Neville?

[Magic]

If it was private money and voluntary purchase, you just wouldn't buy the product if you didn't like it. I don't see what you're finding so difficult about this.

The alternative is my TV exclusively run by Rupert Murdoch.

[phonics]

And your radio, and your newspapers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I wouldn't worry about Murdoch, he's 86, the kids are never as good.

[GS]

:rolleyes:

If the product is good, people will pay for it. There's no justification any more for a mandatory fee. The idea that a funding money based on voluntary subscription would lead to some shady figure running the entire TV network is daft, as you well know.

[phonics]

The free markets get you ITV, Channel 4, Sky One, Talksport and Kiss FM.

That's a life no man should want to live.

[Lewis]

And HBO, and Netflix, and all of the films you like, and...

[phonics]

And HBO, and Netflix, and all of the films you like, and...

Isn't the subscription to one of those pretty much the same thing as the license fee yet do a huge amount less?

[Lewis]

I suppose that depends on how much of the BBC's output you deem essential.

[phonics]

How much of Netflix do you consider essential? They only make about 4 of the shows.

HBO have one good one every couple of years.

[Lewis]

I don't really watch that much stuff, so I don't know.

[John]

How much of Netflix do you consider essential? They only make about 4 of the shows.

HBO have one good one every couple of years.

Netflix make about three quarters of the things being added to their library, films and all. No network wants to cut new deals with them since they got into programming and became the competition, so they have to make their own stuff.

[Kikó]

I'm surprised GS doesn't want to defend a great British institution considering that is good raison d'être.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm pro BBC. Had my invitation to the Evil Tories annual dinner cancelled because of it (delicious roast baby was the starter).

[GS]

Isn't the subscription to one of those pretty much the same thing as the license fee yet do a huge amount less?

The point is you have the option as to whether to pay for it and thus whether to access its content - and to what extent. The BBC has mandatory subscription regardless of how much of the output you use.

[Henry]

I agree that the funding model may need to be looked at, but getting rid of the BBC or turning it into some half-assed shit like PBS isn't on. Not only is it's output of a generally high quality (with obvious exception) it sets a standard that keeps the others from becoming Fox News.

[GS]

I'm surprised GS doesn't want to defend a great British institution considering that is good raison d'être.

Do you agree with prosecuting poor people who can't or won't pay the licence fee?

[Magic]

Do you agree with prosecuting poor people who can't or won't pay the licence fee?

Fuckers normally have Sky!

[Magic]

I agree that the funding model may need to be looked at, but getting rid of the BBC or turning it into some half-assed shit like PBS isn't on. Not only is it's output of a generally high quality (with obvious exception) it sets a standard that keeps the others from becoming Fox News.

The problem is a lot of morons are quite happy with the gutter television that is produced on ITV3 and fucking E4. They love the X Factor and Celebrity Love Island. LOVE it.

Those are the cunts that couldn't care less and are probably happy with the decimation of this wonderful, cultural heritage.

The Americans are absolutely jealous of the BBC. This should tell us to fucking leave it alone.

[Spikey M]

In my line of work I routinely deal with people that have racked up thousands in TV licence fines. It's wrong in many ways.They are often of suspect mental health and they are usually stuck paying £20 per month (usually by a deduction from benefits) for the foreseeable, which is more than the TV license would cost them.

These people have a criminal record (no matter how light) when they may not even be using BBC services. Pro or Anti TV Licencing, this shit is more criminal than not contributing to Chris fucking Evans' ridiculous wage packet.

There should be an opt-out for it. And you can stick your 'Road' and 'Hospital' comparisons up your arse. The country's infrastructure is important, keeping Eastenders advert free absolutely is fucking not.

[Disco]

I'm not sure how much sympathy I have with people who get fined for not having a tv licence, it's pretty fucking simple.

[GS]

Fuckers normally have Sky!

If that's what they want to spend their money on, that's up to them. I've been consistent on this point.

[Spikey M]

I'm not sure how much sympathy I have with people who get fined for not having a tv licence, it's pretty fucking simple.

Yeah, so are they.

[Spikey M]

Just keep the BBC taxpayer owned but supplement it with advertising. Then add some kind of small Tax on to tv, computer, etc sales.

The enforced subscription method is fucked.

[GS]

It really does come to something when the left vehemently defend a regressive taxation levied under threat of prosecution so that higher band taxpayers can earn even more money.

[Magic]

Just keep the BBC taxpayer owned but supplement it with advertising. Then add some kind of small Tax on to tv, computer, etc sales.

The enforced subscription method is fucked.

It's supposed to be impartial, so no advertising.

[Lewis]

If it was covered by general taxation it would at least 'cost' better off people more, but then it immediately becomes POLITICISED, and you're still stuck with a bollocks broadcaster doing far too much that everyone has to pay for whether they like it or not.

[Spikey M]

Fuck that noise. OMG A CALGON ADVERT BBC LOVES TEH FACISTS.

Edit: Out the fucking way, Lew

[Yevrah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40696402

What are they actually asking for here?

Fair enough if Alex Jones isn't paid as much as the twat that sits next to her on the sofa of the moribund One Show, but is anyone seriously suggesting that Claudia Winkleman should be paid on a par with Chris Evans?

[Magic]

Yes looks about right. I'm sure if any of them were in such key positions then they'd be paid fairly.

[GS]

The only solution is to sack Lineker and Evans, and then distribute their salaries to everyone else for equality. It'll be redistribution of wealth in action.

[Lewis]

Once you start comparing who actually does what every conceivable pay disparity is easily explained, so you're obviously not going to find any logic (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/02/06/18/3CE72FF700000578-0-image-a-22_1486405669984.jpg) in it, which means that you can put your life on the BBC shooting itself in the balls attempting to appease the idiots (my guess would be things like giving Clare Balding what Crisps earns and trying to claim swimming and fun run coverage is as popular as football).