First baby born without a gender! #progress

[Spammer]

An eight-month old Canadian baby has been issued a health card without a gender marker, in what could be the first case in the world.

Parent Kori Doty - a non-binary transgender person who identifies as neither male nor female - aims to allow the child to discover their own gender.

The health card has been issued with a "U" in the space for "sex", which could be for "undetermined" or "unassigned".

Kori Doty is fighting to omit the gender from the birth certificate.

The parent gave birth to Searyl Atli in November at a friend's home in British Columbia. Kori Doty, who prefers to use the pronoun they, argues that a visual inspection at birth is unable to determine what gender that person will have or identify with later in life.

They want to keep Searyl's sex off all official records...

The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name without capital letters, told Global News: "The assignment of sex in this culture is done when a medical person lifts up the legs and looks at the baby's genitals. But we know that the baby's own gender identity will not develop for some years until after they're born."

Canadian media reported that the baby's health card could be the first in the world to not have a gender designation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40480386

The real issue here is the oppression of capital letters. I'd never thought of that before.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The gender is one thing but the sex is unfortunately a fact until such time as it is changed.

Wait, that capital letters thing. Mental.

[GS]

Hopefully this nonsense is a passing fad.

[Queenslander]

Doesn't stand a chance.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Not wanting to spell her name with Capitals :D

[Henry]

It's bollocks, and it's verging on child abuse. If they decide to change it later on, then that's fair enough but he child has a biological gender, which is not just a social construct.

Canada is going down a fairly stupid rabbit-hole on all of this.

[Spikey M]

For fuck sake.

[Queenslander]

Also what an absolutey selfish thing to do to a new born baby.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Not that it isn't mental enough but that capital letters thing screams like something from the onion.

[wullie]

Discovering your own gender is a euphemism for wanking.

[phonics]

This parent is pretending to be a classic one of those 'do what you want, achieve your goals' type which means that 'they' will be bouncing off the walls when the kid grows up and ignores her for being a total weirdo.

[Reg]

The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name without capital letters,
I love that. :D Actually wondered if you'd added that part in for a laugh, Hammer.

[Raoul Duke]

It's a bit presumptuous to assume that they're even human. Just because they've been born with a central nervous system, skin and a cerebellum (etc.) they shouldn't be putting labels on things. Speaking as someone who self-identifies as a 1976 Ford Cortina, I find this outrageous.

[Lewis]

Is that a Mark III or IV?

[-james-]

The parent is going to be gutted when xe ends up being a straight male that likes sport.

[phonics]

The parent is going to be gutted when xe ends up being a straight male that likes sport.

A white one at that :sick:

[Disco]

The capital letters thing is great, after the guy who insisted on proper capitalisation of his name on the electoral roll I think I'll insist on having my name written in a particular font. I wonder if I could ignore my council tax that way.

[Kikó]

Poor kid. This is the end of civilisation.

[phonics]

Changing my name to xX jOe eNtWiStLe Xx 420.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Looks a little too professional.

[Spammer]

Names are dogmatic.

I have no name.

[Kikó]

I just associate with the sound of the fourth key on a xylophone.

[7om]

All Corbyn's fault, this. Scum.

[Spikey M]

All Corbyn's fault, this. Scum. Corbyn identifies as Oceanic froth?

[Disco]

Oceanic froth is more heavyweight.

[Ian]

I'm afraid I couldn't have written correspondence with that BARBARA FINDLAY lunatic without writing her name in Wingdings.

[Disco]

I don't capitalise my name

My mistake bARBARA. I wonder how many people just lol her out of the room, I'm still not sure I haven't been trolled by that article.

[Lufcdanny]

http://www.barbarafindlay.com/

"My name is spelled without capital letters. People make many assumptions about why that is. Here is the story. I have always signed my name without capital letters. When I was taking a Master of Laws degree in 1990, I had letterhead designed and my name was in lower case. I liked it, so I continued it when I returned to private practice in 1992. What an uproar! Lawyers called me up to say that they had a vote in their firm about why I chose that spelling; a court rejected an Order because my name was not properly spelled; and the local queer newspaper refused for years to spell my name without capital letters.

I realized that I had a perfect illustration of how we react when someone moves even a tiny bit away from a norm of behaviour, even with respect to something that has no impact on anyone else. So I have kept that spelling, and I tell this story in unlearning oppression workshops."

[Spammer]

I tell this story in unlearning oppression workshops.

[Spikey M]

Nah. I'm getting off lads. See you on Mars.

[Disco]

:D

My reaction as I read that: FinefinefinefinefinefinefinefineWTF. Those must be populated entirely by the terminally credulous.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

and you too can spell your name just like me, with no capitals!

[GS]

That explanation is practically dripping with self-satisfied smarm. She must be insufferable in real life.

In all seriousness, however, can somebody please explain what in the fuck an "unlearning oppression workshop" is.

[Disco]

You know, I don't think I can.

[Spikey M]

Thinking about it, she has a quint. There is no harm in going against the grain a little to helq the oqqressed.

I am now going to start using P's and Q's interchangeably. I'm off to do my Tesco shoq and if they don't have qotatoes and qaqayas it's going to kick the fuck off.

[phonics]

While where her actual point goes is dumb the idea of breaking norms treated as blasphemy is an interesting one. Maybe I'm just coming at it from the design nerd point of it arriving via a lowercase letterhead but interesting nonetheless.

[Disco]

That's basically the same trick as swapping the keys on someone's keyboard.

[Disco]

While where her actual point goes is dumb the idea of breaking norms treated as blasphemy is an interesting one. Maybe I'm just coming at it from the design nerd point of it arriving via a lowercase letterhead but interesting nonetheless.

As fine as her initial point is there no coming back from the last sentence.

[Spikey M]

That's basically the same trick as swapping the keys on someone's keyboard.

Would have been easier to fucking type that way.

[Disco]

Would have been easier to fucking tyqe that way.

Fixed.

[Spikey M]

Son of a ditch.

If you choose to define that way.

[Shindig]

This is what happens when stupidity isn't called out for what it is.

"I've spelled my name incorrectly for many years. Nobody has had the nerve to point it out to me. Now I've realised my error but decided, rather than make myself look stupid, I'll make myself look empowered and that this was always my intent."

As a female lawyer, she's probably untouchable. Fuck this oven gloves society.

[Spoonsky]

Nobody gave e.e. cummings much trouble.

[Disco]

Hardly comparable.

[Adamski]

That explanation is practically dripping with self-satisfied smarm. She must be insufferable in real life.


Having someone like that around sure wouldn't be much fun, would it?

[Reg]

This is what happens when stupidity isn't called out for what it is.

"I've spelled my name incorrectly for many years. Nobody has had the nerve to point it out to me. Now I've realised my error but decided, rather than make myself look stupid, I'll make myself look empowered and that this was always my intent."

As a female lawyer, she's probably untouchable. Fuck this oven gloves society.
Well that wasn't her explanation... Also how are you more upset about the capital letters thing than the news about the poor kid? :D

[Dark Soldier]

This all reached its moment of glory with the attack helicopter meme, downhill ever since.

Mokbull, get in here.

[Lewis]

Having someone like that around sure wouldn't be much fun, would it?

You're not that bad.

[Haystacks Horace]

But why?

[Shindig]

Well that wasn't her explanation... Also how are you more upset about the capital letters thing than the news about the poor kid? :D

Because, at some point, that kid will look down and ask what's going on.

[Haystacks Horace]

I identify as a pudding.

[niko_cee]

I've just seen a picture of what I assume is the 'parent'.

Good grief.

https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/bSfJbNC5Mm2bleBhzPFEuw--/Zmk9c3RyaW07aD02MDM7dz02NDA7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaH lvbg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/721f31540157116f97a9158fd16ba2ec

[Jimmy Floyd]

Living Picasso.

[Yevrah]

The beard quite suits her.

[Haystacks Horace]

Now that's horacing.

[Mellberg]

Pink headphones? Surely only black, grey and white are suitable so as not to confuse/influence little Binary.

[mugbull]

Yeah i'd spaz out if I saw her in real life. You see women with beards every now and theb, and it's never a good time

[7om]

:D

I give up on humans. Fuck this shit.

[Byron]

This shit is dangerous. You can't have someone born without a gender because whatever you identify yourself as, medically it is important you have a gender. I fucking hate people sometimes.

[John Arne]

What if, because of the lack of gender recognition, the kid doesn't know what gender they are when they get older... This little experiment this parent is doing could be very dangerous - when a kid grows up as a boy, it learns who to act as a boy, what it means to be a boy - growing up without a gender could be very mentally harmful for a kid - especially when nobody else in his social circles will be the same as him/her. Making the decision as an adult is fine, but I do fear for this kids development.

[Spoonsky]

when a kid grows up as a boy, it learns who to act as a boy, what it means to be a boy

The idea - not that I necessarily subscribe to it - is that this is equally harmful.

[John Arne]

The idea - not that I necessarily subscribe to it - is that this is equally harmful.

Yeah - but as you said, barely anybody agrees with that. They great thing about growing up as a boy is being surrounded by lots of other boys.

[niko_cee]

Unless this child is raised entirely in isolation, or with other 'U' gendered fuckwits, then this effort is surely doomed to failure. The kid is going to know what it is, and it will make that determination in the same way that the doctors do at birth. I'm not even sure what "what it means to be a boy/man" means in modern society, beyond physiological differences, which an ID card isn't going to alter, with the best will in the world.

[Spikey M]

Unless this child is raised entirely in isolation, or with other 'U' gendered fuckwits, then this effort is surely doomed to failure. The kid is going to know what it is, and it will make that determination in the same way that the doctors do at birth. I'm not even sure what "what it means to be a boy/man" means in modern society, beyond physiological differences, which an ID card isn't going to alter, with the best will in the world.

Having a mum with a beard might.