So things seem a bit mad in Manchester

[Boydy]

I've just been down a conspiracy theory wormhole and now I'm feeling pretty paranoid.

[Giggles]

Is Smiffy banned from here again?

I think he either gave Harold his account or they shared it. Wasn't really clear though and it strangely was never even mentioned anywhere once it happened.

[Magic]

I called him a loser or something a couple of weeks ago. I'm not stopping by today to debate with him, which is what you sounded like you were saying.

Like 2 days ago you mean.

[Pepe]

I've just been down a conspiracy theory wormhole and now I'm feeling pretty paranoid.

:D

Tell us all about it.

[GS]

Probably something to do with the Tories and the election.

[Offshore Toon]

That's definitely Harold talking to himself. The style of the other account isnt Smiffy.
It was definitely him during the incident last week.

I've just been down a conspiracy theory wormhole and now I'm feeling pretty paranoid.


:D

Tell us all about it.
Yeah, come on. You're the first to have a go at people for posting without giving the details people actually want (did it to Waff the other day).

[Magic]

Probably something to do with the Tories and the election.

:baz:

[Magic]

It was definitely him during the incident last week.



Yeah, come on. You're the first to have a go at people for posting without giving the details people actually want (did it to Waff the other day).

He's such an annoying little turd bitch.

[Boydy]

I've just been reading r/conspiracy. Go look for yourselves.

[Boydy]

Surely a conspiracy theory about this sort of attack (that it's a false flag) is kinda obvious anyway?

Waff was like 'ahaha, I can't believe what Diego Costa did' without posting what he actually did or any indication of it. It could've been fucking anything.

[Offshore Toon]

I've just been reading r/conspiracy. Go look for yourselves.
I normally save reading that for when I'm hungover. It is good fun, though.

[Offshore Toon]

Surely a conspiracy theory about this sort of attack (that it's a false flag) is kinda obvious anyway?

Waff was like 'ahaha, I can't believe what Diego Costa did' without posting what he actually did or any indication of it. It could've been fucking anything.
I'd guessed that, but at the same time didn't think that'd be enough for you to become paranoid, so I thought you'd gone through the EVIDENCE and found something deeply disturbing.

[Lewis]

Yes. The evidence.

[Boydy]

I'd guessed that, but at the same time didn't think that'd be enough for you to become paranoid, so I thought you'd gone through the EVIDENCE and found something deeply disturbing.

I was mostly joking.

[Pepe]

What a bottle job.

[Offshore Toon]

I had a look on r/conspiracy and the only post of note was this (https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6cuwpc/corbyn_vowed_to_end_arms_sales_to_saudi_arabia) but its effort to get past the paywall so I didn't read the Forbes article.

[Boydy]

I read this (https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6cx939/all_isis_claimed_attacks_are_false_flag_operations/) as well.

[Boydy]

And the news that troops were on the streets had just come out. She's planning her coup.

[Boydy]

https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/thumb/a/a3/Theresa_may_pry_minister_of_britain.jpg/300px-Theresa_may_pry_minister_of_britain.jpg

[Boydy]

Also:

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[Yevrah]

The raising of the terror threat level to critical is such a load of balls.

If threat levels are to be useful at all it would help to have one before an attack, but they can't do that as it'd cause mass panic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa_gZ_7sdZg

[Shindig]

Yeah, it's dumb. Bear in mind that the 7/7 bombings (and the 21/7 follow-up ... and Stockwell ... and the recent Westminster attack(s) ) didn't garner that level of threat.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The idea of false flag terror attacks is absolutely comical. The idea that you could keep that sort of thing operationally secret without anyone leaking or discovering it, in this day and age, is just nonsense.

Also there's CCTV of the dude doing it. But I guess he's an MI5 suicide bomber.

[Shindig]

Jet fuel can't melt backpacks. :dc:

[Henry]

Also:

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This is what I mean when I talk about over-reaction. They want to remove a very important freedom here.

[Giggles]

Really though, does it really matter? If you're not up to anything then so what if they can read it.

[Henry]

Really though, does it really matter? If you're not up to anything then so what if they can read it.

I'm sure you can think of ways that people having access to your private conversations and details can cause you problems.
The right to privacy is absolutely fundamental.

[Spammer]

Really though, does it really matter? If you're not up to anything then so what if they can read it.

You need to define 'up to anything' in a way that will cover literally every single context in which suspicion will be raised. If you can't do that, which you can't because it isn't possible, then you're going to get shit happening to people who have no malicious intent whatsoever.

I'm not comfortable people seeing everything everyone does online. It's pretty obvious when someone is watching child porn or specifically planning a terrorist operation, but aside from those things there's a lot of cases where there's uncertainty and I can see people getting fucking hammered for not doing anything wrong.

[Spammer]

The raising of the terror threat level to critical is such a load of balls.

If threat levels are to be useful at all it would help to have one before an attack, but they can't do that as it'd cause mass panic.

I think them not having a crystal ball and sometimes therefore being genuinely surprised is probably something to do with it too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Imam Irfan Chishti from Manchester Central Mosque says he wants to make it clear that the Manchester attack "has no place in the religion of Islam".

That's basically like saying ham and pineapple has no place on pizza. Sensible people may all agree so, but oh look, it happens anyway on a daily basis.

[Kikó]

It doesn't happen on a daily basis.

Anyway, a friend of a friend reported the house of the bomber a few times and the police sent a letter back saying we will look into it. It even had a black flag. Ffs.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Attacks don't, the ideology does.

That seems to be the pretty much standard police response to anything outside the Met these days. The burden on investigating crime very much falls on the public and if there's an absolute open and shut case then maybe, maybe they might have the resources to bother doing any police work.

[Spammer]

Yeah they're all lazy cunts that hardly do anything, ever. I don't know how they get away with it frankly. I'm basing this on my first-hand experience in...

[Jimmy Floyd]

Long term correspondents will know that me slating the police isn't the natural state of affairs.

[Spammer]

:cab:

Um, yeah, ok. Thanks for sharing. As long as you only do it sometimes.

[GS]

Floyd has a better understanding of the police than most.

[Kikó]

Jimmy's a spook.

[Spammer]

Floyd has a better understanding of the police than most.

That clears that one up then. You should be in parliament.

[Lewis]

Yeah they're all lazy cunts that hardly do anything, ever. I don't know how they get away with it frankly. I'm basing this on my first-hand experience in...

That's teachers.

[Spammer]

That's teachers.

Or unemployed Phd graduates.

[Lewis]

9223 posts = 'lazy cunts that hardly do anything'

:harold:

Wind it in.

[Spammer]

:D

Get it on your CV.

[Lewis]

I've just been to the bank and found that my book has earned me £43.19 in six months, so it will be secondary to 'PROFESSIONAL WRITER' in massive font.

[Spammer]

So now I've donned Giggles, Yevrah, Jimmy, GS and Lewis on a single page.

I'm just gonna go and take a picture of my dick to show everyone how huge it is.

[Pepe]

I've just been to the bank and found that my book has earned me £43.19 in six months, so it will be secondary to 'PROFESSIONAL WRITER' in massive font.

I'm still waiting for the uni's library to buy it. Twats.

[Giggles]

So now I've donned Giggles, Yevrah, Jimmy, GS and Lewis on a single page.

I'm just gonna go and take a picture of my dick to show everyone how huge it is.

You need a 'new page' to top it all off.

[randomlegend]

How many actual copies sold is that?

People are already flogging it used on Amazon, btw.

[Lewis]

I get two per cent of the net receipts, so once you account for some people (like me) getting it cheaper... Somewhere between thirty and forty?

[Yevrah]

I think them not having a crystal ball and sometimes therefore being genuinely surprised is probably something to do with it too.

Of course they don't, but what I'm saying is that the 'threat level' as a mechanism is useless and just for show.

[Lewis]

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'Most'. :gs:

[7om]

51%.

[GS]

There was that survey a while back which suggested a sizeable number had some sympathy with the world view of suicide bombers.

I'm not sure there's sufficient recognition of that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd love to know how many politicians who cite 'the vast majority' of Muslims not supporting something actually have any figures to back this up, or are they just projecting their own lazy assumptions, or are they deliberately lying in order to try and dupe us into carrying on with the multicultural consensus that propelled them to where they are? I think the latter.

[Lewis]

It was her who arranged for Russell Brand to interview Ed Miliband, so she could just be an idiot.

[GS]

I'd love to know how many politicians who cite 'the vast majority' of Muslims not supporting something actually have any figures to back this up, or are they just projecting their own lazy assumptions, or are they deliberately lying in order to try and dupe us into carrying on with the multicultural consensus that propelled them to where they are? I think the latter.

There's definitely an element of not wanting to accept what a catastrophic fuck up it was as a policy, especially given it was foisted on the populace when nobody asked for it.

The idea that "most" reject it isn't really cause for celebration, is it.

[Pepe]

There's definitely an element of not wanting to accept what a catastrophic fuck up it was as a policy

What policy would that be?

[John Arne]

Why does nobody I know ever get surveyed on these things? Who are all these surveys asking exactly?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Because they don't care what the Viet Congleton think?

[Lewis]

lol Chelsea have cancelled their title parade on Sunday. John Terry must be absolutely fuming.

[GS]

What policy would that be?

The policy of multiculturalism combined with mass immigration under the Lord Blair.

[John Arne]

Because they don't care what the Viet Congleton think?

They should :)

[Lewis]

The fifties/sixties immigration did most of the damage.

[Yevrah]

I'd love to know how many politicians who cite 'the vast majority' of Muslims not supporting something actually have any figures to back this up, or are they just projecting their own lazy assumptions, or are they deliberately lying in order to try and dupe us into carrying on with the multicultural consensus that propelled them to where they are? I think the latter.

The survey here cites some key stuff.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey

Particularly:

The 615-page survey found that more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts. Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.

Surely this is where one needs to start if the ideology is to be stopped.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The survey here cites some key stuff.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey

Particularly:


Surely this is where one needs to start if the ideology is to be stopped.

It is, but any attempt to do is would of course be victimising Muslims and, whisper it, Islamophobic.

[GS]

It is, but any attempt to do is would of course be victimising Muslims and, whisper it, Islamophobic.

But most Muslims disagree with it, so it's fine.

[Pepe]

The policy of multiculturalism

What's the policy? Like, what is actually written? Genuinely curious btw.


combined with mass immigration under the Lord Blair.

Was this 'mass immigration' on purpose? As in, did the government tell Muslims that they could apply for, and get, British visas? Or did it just happen?

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's a concept rather than a policy. Multiculturalism i.e. there is no indigenous culture and it's all a big free for all in which everyone is free to practise their culture side by side.

Sounds lovely in theory until you get people wanting to follow sharia, perform honour killings and FGM, and the establishment is intellectually ill-equipped to deal with them.

[Dark Soldier]

Seeing as its about Manchester, just had an attempted shooting outside my flat. Five shots, car sped off, armed police and detectives have turned up.

[Pepe]

It's a concept rather than a policy. Multiculturalism i.e. there is no indigenous culture and it's all a big free for all in which everyone is free to practise their culture side by side.

Do you believe there is an indigenous culture? What is it? Should it be protected? How?


Sounds lovely in theory until you get people wanting to follow sharia, perform honour killings and FGM, and the establishment is intellectually ill-equipped to deal with them.

None of those are legal though, are they? What else can be done?

[Lewis]

You can't 'protect' a culture, and you can't force people to integrate. What you can do is not let loads of people in.

[Pepe]

You can't 'protect' a culture, and you can't force people to integrate. What you can do is not let loads of people in.

Goes back to this:


Was this 'mass immigration' on purpose? As in, did the government tell Muslims that they could apply for, and get, British visas? Or did it just happen?

I guess there is always the build a massive wall option. Which reminds me, should I use the money I had set apart for the wall for something else, or is it still happening?

[Lewis]

Back in the day anyone under/previously under a British flag was entitled to come and live here, because you were a 'British subject' (and then formally a 'Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies' after 1948); but then people actually started taking us up on it and moving around, which nobody liked, and it was gradually reformed over the sixties and seventies. I don't know whether it was 'on purpose' as such. It was probably just what it was and nobody being that arsed about altering it until - as with all of these things - about ten years too late. Nevertheless, it was down to a small number from the seventies right up until the mid-nineties. More recently I would say that it has been 'on purpose', particularly under the previous Labour government.

[Spammer]

You need a 'new page' to top it all off.

I'd have retired the account if that happened.

[Pepe]

I've read in a couple of places now that this was an attack on women.

[Magic]

Can we not start Hutu'ing it up and just machete the fuck out of the local Islamic communities?

[Pepe]

An attack like this scares women into submission.

Alright then.

[Pepe]

Can we not start Hutu'ing it up and just machete the fuck out of the local Islamic communities?

You most definitely can. Go for it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've read in a couple of places now that this was an attack on women.

Well it basically was.

[Lewis]

Toxic masculinity mate. Is it just men, love, or a particular kind of man? Chelsea fans? Short men?

[Pepe]

"These girls are survivors of an orchestrated attack on girls and girlhood, a massive act of gender-based violence."

"I can empathize with the survivors of this incident. When I was 13. I was groped on a public train. For years I was afraid to take the train. The experience was not as dramatic as being at a concert when a bomb goes off, killing and injuring dozens of people. But what we all have in common is that we have been the target of an assault simply for being female in a public space."

[Pepe]

Men don't listen to that singer?

[Magic]

It was an attack on paedophiles. No children, no sex.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We don't know, but if I were going to speculate as to why an Islamist terrorist has targeted an Ariana Grande concert, I would say that it's because he disapproves of women being able to sing, dance, display their bodies if they want to, have fun, do all the stuff that Ariana Grande (apparently) represents.

He could have gone for the Hairy Bikers stage show otherwise.

[Pepe]

Wouldn't he have targeted her directly then?

Not that it matters.

[GS]

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This is a new low.

[Lewis]

The Gender Studies balls could probably be quite useful if its focus was actually on Islam[ism], since there is clearly a repressed wanking addict aspect to those losers (Theodore Dalrymple is interesting on this), but if they can't bring themselves to delve beyond MEN then fuck their non-subject.

[Boydy]

He's right though.

[Boydy]

The Gender Studies balls could probably be quite useful if its focus was actually on Islam[ism], since there is clearly a repressed wanking addict aspect to those losers (Theodore Dalrymple is interesting on this), but if they can't bring themselves to delve beyond MEN then fuck their non-subject.

Yeah, there definitely is that element. They're all sad losers who have achieved nothing. They're quite similar to the red pill lot. I suppose they just cling to Islamic fundamentalism instead because that's kind of in their cultural heritage.

[GS]

He's right though.

What?

[Lewis]

Yeah, there definitely is that element. They're all sad losers who have achieved nothing. They're quite similar to the red pill lot. I suppose they just cling to Islamic fundamentalism instead because that's kind of in their cultural heritage.

Wasn't your PhD proposal taking a similar approach to IRA recruitment, or have I remembered that wrong?

[Shindig]

"Hey, we can halt Labour's momentum and all it'll cost is a dozen children."
"Cheap."

[Boydy]

Wasn't your PhD proposal taking a similar approach to IRA recruitment, or have I remembered that wrong?

Kinda, yeah. I was looking at both sides as well.

EDIT: It was less about them being sad losers and more about them seeing/casting themselves in the masculine role of defenders of their communities though.

[Offshore Toon]

Four Lions does a brilliant job of portraying the type of people that get into terrorism. Very few are intelligent and seriously radicalised, whilst the rest are disenfranchised losers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Four Lions is an absolutely brilliant film, didn't get nearly enough praise at the time.

[Offshore Toon]

Four Lions is an absolutely brilliant film, didn't get nearly enough praise at the time.
It was part of my course this year and I had no idea how much research Chris Morris had put into it. Its so much more than a comedy.

[GS]

The Americans constantly leaking information from our security services straight to the media is a right fucking mess. It seems we've finally kicked off properly about it, but fucking hell "God Bless America" really is a terrible, terrible country sometimes.

[Shindig]

Four Lions does a brilliant job of portraying the type of people that get into terrorism. Very few are intelligent and seriously radicalised, whilst the rest are disenfranchised losers.

The intelligent ones remain or become clerics.

[GS]

One for you, Lewis

Fuck the investigation, clearly the best thing is to provide the media with more information for NARRATIVE and DRAMA.

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Such wankers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It does shitloads of harm ffs.

[Shindig]

Active crime scenes should not be disclosed in such a way. I hate this bullshit approach to media.

[Offshore Toon]

I'm sure everybody knows by now that the media only serves to provide a platform that elevates the attacker, which encourages similar attacks, so the police are definitely doing the right thing since the media can't be trusted.

[Shindig]

Unless Trump leaked it himself as a way to show how leaky their intelligence service is. Y'know, what with the FBI investigation and such. That's a conspiracy I can get behind.

[Mellberg]

Just went on Grande's Twitter to see if there was anything interesting knocking about.

Wish I hadn't. Bring in the Purge.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The septics really have excelled themselves here, as they always do when it comes to terrorism and sensitive information. Rubbernecking thick cunts.

[Yevrah]

Just went on Grande's Twitter to see if there was anything interesting knocking about.

Wish I hadn't. Bring in the Purge.

I feel for the poor lass to be honest. Obviously it was far worse for those that were directly affected, but nonetheless it's the sort of thing that will haunt her for the rest of her days. Which could, depending upon how well adjusted she is (I'm guessing not very), fuck her up for a very long time.

[Byron]

She's a former child tv star, so mentally she's probably fucked.

[Boydy]

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[Henry]

Yeah, what's the point in a watch-list if the people on it aren't being watched?

[7om]

Yeah, what's the point in a watch-list if the people on it aren't being watched?

Depends how many are on the list. France apparently has 10,000 on theirs so good luck getting that manpower together. Surely they prioritise.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We have 3,000 on ours.

Five plots stopped since the Westminster attack in March. Unfortunately unless you turn into a police state (!) and do not limit resources or the scope of police powers - for instance detention without charge - they will get through every so often.

[Kikó]

Why does nobody get charged with any crimes? Or am I missing something regarding these foiled plots?

[Spammer]

Why does nobody get charged with any crimes? Or am I missing something regarding these foiled plots?

I imagine they do, but it's just not known about. Which is right as far as I can see. The bloke who carried this out should get as little publicity as possible.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They do. There are anti-terror arrests and charges all the time.

Here's one from a few weeks ago: https://www.ft.com/content/261ed59c-c371-3129-aafe-2a73127e12f4

[Kikó]

Arrests not charged or convicted..

[Jimmy Floyd]

http://news.met.police.uk/latest_news/tag/counter-terrorism

I mean, how long have you got? That's just the Met, West Midlands love a bit of it as well.

[7om]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-40046773

[Magic]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-40046773

Better not have been an Instant Pot, the ungrateful cunt.

[Mellberg]

Alum Rock, again.

May have mentioned in the past that I worked on the high street there fitting air con for a couple of weeks. Me and my mate were definitely not welcome in a lot of people's eyes. That area and a few more in Birmingham are terrorist breeding grounds.

[Spikey M]

I remember visiting someone from Uni in Sparkhill. What a lovely gaff.

[GS]

That would constitute an expression of Islamophobia under the Blairist Doctrine of Political Correctness.

You'll be called a racist next.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The best curry I've ever had was in Sparkbrook. Did feel like we were only one wrong look away from being in orange jumpsuits pronto though.

[7om]

Sparkbrook :drool:

Must be one of the worst places in the country. Genuinely.

[Spikey M]

Nah, that's Coventry.

[Mellberg]

Sparkbrook. How did I forget? Serviced the air con system (Willis Carrier, American infidel) in a mosque of all places in Sparkbrook. Genuinely worried about our safety that day.

[Mellberg]

Cracking curry, though.

[Lewis]

When it all goes up we will just have to sacrifice the middle of the country. Draw a line from Bexley to Blackpool, and everything fifty miles either side of it is getting carpet bombed.

[Kikó]

http://news.met.police.uk/latest_news/tag/counter-terrorism

I mean, how long have you got? That's just the Met, West Midlands love a bit of it as well.

Cheers.

Are they detained in separate prisons?

My mum had reporters galore at her day today trying to get a statement on the nearby terrorists. She's being coy about whether she spoke to them so I'm expecting my step dad answered and went "I'm not racist but.."

[Baz]

I'm gonna bomb Cardiff on June 3rd. Don't tell anyone.

[Spikey M]

For fuck sake Baz, the board has only just gone legal, we don't need this heat.

[7om]

Hello GCHQ bots.

[Disco]

Hi G-men, we're all Harold.

[Shindig]

We'll sell out mert in an instant. In definite related news, my internet's been slow since the bombing.

[Boydy]

'Sensitive' UK terror funding inquiry may never be published (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inquiry-findings-may-never-be-published-saudi-arabia)

Can't publish a report on the Saudis funding Islamic fundamentalism in the UK because it'd be bad for business.

[Pepe]

All I want to know is, does he support the IRA or not?

[Giggles]

Rock Am Ring currently being evacuated.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40140968

[Pepe]

Is this the new normal? Is it?

[Lewis]

The terror threat there was probably the music.

[Weaver]

The One Love Manchester gig is on BBC1 until 10pm, if anyone wants to watch.

Some bloke's just been on, now Take That, and I think there's Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber, Coldplay, Ariana Grande and a few others.

[Giggles]

I'll send them a few bob if they want but I'm fucked if I'm watching that lineup.

[Lewis]

Isn't watching this, thereby drawing further attention to the attack, exactly what the terrorists want?

[Spikey M]

Robbie Williams voice is it's own form of terror attack. Christ. Stealing a living.

[Magic]

I'd rather be bombed than listen to this shite.

[Pleb]

Bombs and bullets apparently.
One year tomorrow apparently :|

[Shindig]

Let's have a concert to celebrate. Although the first couple of pages really, really show off how social media and 24-hour facilitates any early murmurings into full-blown hysteria.

[Dquincy]

What?

[Lewis]

It's pretty mental to think that, although I've never been to the Manchester Arena, if this had been at Hedon HSBC this afternoon I could have died. :|

This branch closed shortly afterwards, and the only remaining cash machine is slightly out of my way. I try not to look back in anger but fuck mate it's difficult.

[Dquincy]

What?

[-james-]

I was in Greggs this afternoon getting a Mexican chicken sandwich. I wasn't really paying attention but when the clock struck half two, one of the staff put out a shitty little sign saying they were having a minute's silence to pay tribute etc. It was proper busy, half the queue didn't know what was going on and the staff just stood there looking at their feet. Pretty lol.

[Bam]

What?

[Lewis]

I heard it announced in a shop with a fifteen minute warning. Nothing for Lee Rigby though the poor cunt.

[Spikey M]

What?

[Shindig]

We got an email sent round which some people didn't read so it was poorly observed.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What?

[Dquincy]

What?
What?

[Spikey M]

Ruined it.