UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

[phonics]

If they didn't blame Trump/Putin/Bannon/Cummings/racism/white people/old people/the fact that we had a referendum called in the first place/David Cameron/the biased BBC/Rupert Murdoch/the uneducated/those from an inferior gene pool/Cambridge Analytica/Jacob Rees-Mogg's stock options/George Soros/Thatcher, then they might just have to blame themselves, and that just wouldn't do.

I mean I'm not sure why you should blame any of that on them considering they also have absolutely no power as seen by the last two years.

[Giggles]

Because two leaders works out well for the Greens.

All Labour need to do is ensure they don't have a terrorist supporting cunt in charge.

Why do only Labour need to change on that front?

[Shindig]

Diane Abbott, Labour Leader. Think on that.:|

[Lewis]

Keith Vaz is off as well. It's a proper clear out of the twats. :cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Gone but not forgotten.

I can now spend the next thirty years focusing all my hate on Laura Pidcock.

[Yevrah]

I'm staggered he'd managed to hang around for this long after what he was caught doing.

[phonics]

We're back on the 'Corbyn refuses to start a thermonuclear war THE PUSSY' storyline?

[Spikey M]

It is an odd one. Firstly because we have never used a nuke in anger, secondly because most of them would bottle ever actually using them and thirdly because he should just say he would if he had to. it really is a tedious line of questioning.

[Lewis]

We retain the option to inflict low-level twattings on loser countries so it wouldn't necessarily start a nuclear war if we moved first.

[phonics]

Lol

[Jimmy Floyd]

Careful what you say or Switzerland goes boom.

[phonics]

Getting in a huff and nuking the one country that actually has tactical nuke preparation would be a good summary of the Conservative strategy over the last decade.

[Yevrah]

In some breaking news, Farage has said the Brexit Party won't stand in seats won by the Tories in 2017.

Has he given up?

[Jimmy Floyd]

That will make no difference to anything. It's the Labour-held leave marginals where they need to fuck off.

[phonics]

It's the best news the Lib Dems have had in years.

[Spikey M]

They wouldn't bomb Switzerland, that's where their money is.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Switzerland is not a tough opponent. As per the opening sequence of Tomorrow Never Dies we have strong ski-warfare capabilities, and for more general mountainous combat we have good experience from the First Afghan War. The nuclear weapons are just the icing on the cake. Plus the best bit is Switzerland is neutral, so its troops wouldn't be able to fight back.

[phonics]

They wouldn't bomb Switzerland, that's where their money is.

Nah, English stuff is all done through Caymans/Barbados.

[bruhnaldo]

That's what they want you to think.

[bruhnaldo]

In before phonics is actually a Swiss banker.

[phonics]

In before phonics is actually a Swiss banker.

Nah, I just live with them. The cunts.

[Lewis]

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[Kikó]

Such bants.

[Lewis]

They must have drafted dela and ginner in for the big offensive.

[phonics]

Some Lib Dem has resigned for his liberal use of the n word on Twitter. Elections are miserable but I do enjoy these stories.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I walked past a house near here the other day. Large, detached, a child's tricycle on the porch, a 4x4 parked outside and a Lib Dems Winning Here diamond on the front garden wall. My first thought was to whether the man of the house is into scatology or rentboys.

[Lewis]

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Huge respect for the tactical Asian. Get him a safe seat.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Oh God, this is shit, where the fuck is Ram... RAMESH? YEAH? RAMESH? CAN YOU WALK DOWN THAT CORRIDOR PLEASE? NO, NOW, IT HAS TO BE NOW... YES, I KNOW, JUST DO IT, IT'S A FAVOUR

[Lewis]

https://i.ibb.co/Sy07sTz/EJL3boq-Xs-AAg2-Io-format-jpg-name-900x900.jpg

Meanwhile... :harold:

[Shindig]

It looks like an intervention. :D

[Giggles]

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Huge respect for the tactical Asian. Get him a safe seat.

Is that real? I seen it this morning and thought it was one of those bad lip reading parody things.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's quite funny the amount of seething that is happening on Prominent Remain Twitter about Lib Dems and Labour's failure to stand aside for one another.

1. You do know that Labour don't really want to remain?
2. Are you sure you want to turn this into a second referendum by proxy? What happens if you lose?

[Dave.]

I don't bet on politics much and was wondering what's the best place to bet on it? I think the Tories could well get a 30 - 50 seat majority this time around.

[Yevrah]

Politicians really need to stop using the law for ridiculous things.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50410790

[Disco]

Imagine taking someone to court for not letting you on the telly. Get a grip love.

[Jimmy Floyd]

According to the last election just two years ago, it's more a two party state than ever before. Add in the fact that they are only standing in 59 of the 650 constituencies and their irrelevance should be well-established. The Greens and Brexit Party have better claims.

[Shindig]

I can kinda see Jo Swinson's angle because they at least had a spot at it in 2010. Still, she'd just be there for the illusion of choice rather than an actual option.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Having studied everything very carefully I've just placed my first election bet. Medium-sized wedge on NOM at 2.8 on Betfair. Mainly a trading position but if we see what I expect to happen and the entire north and midlands are repelled by Boris Johnson, then I might leave it in there.

Lab maj is basically impossible but is available at 32, for the true believers.

[phonics]

Can we, whoever wins, agree that the PM should become a mostly ceremonial decision and their job is to go to various places they're widely unliked and get called an arsehole for months on end?

I've really enjoyed Boris walking around in wellies being called a twat.

[phonics]

I hate that any Labour policy is called 'Free Stuff' while exactly the same Tory policy will be hailed as small c Conservatism a la

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJFlGqgX0AAXP4p.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJFlGqjXUAA3fUr.jpg

but this is just absolute bollocks and a bare faced lie.

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[Jimmy Floyd]

He literally says 'Free broadband for the country' at the start.

I don't get it, does this mean I won't have to pay £34.95 to Sky anymore, or does it just mean that they'll put fibreoptic down in shitholes?

[Yevrah]

This Brexit twerp on QT is appalling.

[phonics]

He literally says 'Free broadband for the country' at the start.

I don't get it, does this mean I won't have to pay £34.95 to Sky anymore, or does it just mean that they'll put fibreoptic down in shitholes?

Technically all the fibreoptic/copper-wire etc. that was laid down for your connection was already paid for by the state just like it was done under (actual) British Telecom, they just contracted out the installation. It's a better case for nationalisation than the trains.

England is only 30,000km bigger than South Korea where 95% of the entire country had 3mb connections in 1999. Today a 1GB per second connection costs less than 20 quid.

The West failed because we became absolutely useless at infrastructure for absolutely no gain.

[Lewis]

The nationalised telecoms were a joke, and this idea of universal mega broadband is stupid. As far as I'm aware nobody has asked these idiots what they think the state shouldn't provide/balls up, which somebody really should before we end up with all the wacky shit in their 1950 manifesto.

[phonics]

The nationalised telecoms were a joke.

Can i ask what this means? Like, I had a landline in that era that I can never remember ever not working and there wasn't any other technology. What was the issue?


As far as I'm aware nobody has asked these idiots what they think the state shouldn't provide/balls up, which somebody really should before we end up with all the wacky shit in their 1950 manifesto.

You didn't ask but imo it's:

utilities (electric,gas,water)
national and local transport
some form of public banking system (i.e. through the post office)
speaking of post office, that
and internet technically counts as necessary communication nowadays so that too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's basically the other side of the coin from Trump and his wall in terms of batshit politicians making ludicrous promises.

This has distracted from the real lol of the day which is loads of Remainers and Corbynistas piling onto twitter, pleading with Lord Buckethead to withdraw his candidacy in Uxbridge as they fear he will split the anti-Johnson vote.

[phonics]

This has distracted from the real lol of the day which is loads of Remainers and Corbynistas piling onto twitter, pleading with Lord Buckethead to withdraw his candidacy in Uxbridge as they fear he will split the anti-Johnson vote.

Sadly I have to correct you. Because we live in a distopian nightmare world, they are pleading with Count Binface because the Monster Raving etc. party filed a copyright injunction against the candidate formerly known as Lord Buckethead.


It's basically the other side of the coin from Trump and his wall in terms of batshit politicians making ludicrous promises.

Apart from it being far cheaper and much more useful, it's exactly the same I agree.

[Lewis]

British Telecom (or Post Office Telecommunications) - like every other nationalised industry, including previous attempts at the ones you mention - was notoriously inefficient and unresponsive. They used to take weeks to install phone lines, despite, as you say, there being nothing else for them to actually do. We've had thirty years of this stuff getting better and cheaper year after year. What the absolute fuck do they think that they have to offer?

[phonics]

British Telecom (or Post Office Telecommunications) - like every other nationalised industry, including previous attempts at the ones you mention - was notoriously inefficient and unresponsive. They used to take weeks to install phone lines, despite, as you say, there being nothing else for them to actually do. We've had thirty years of this stuff getting better and cheaper year after year. What the absolute fuck do they think that they have to offer?

Have you tried to get a phoneline installed recently? It takes the same amount of time and you pay for the privilege.

Of course it gets cheaper year after year. They're not fucking doing anything that costs any money and anything they do is being paid for by the fucking government.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Cheaper than the wall but did you see the way he just dropped a casual £15 billion of extra spending in there without batting an eyelid? Even if you subscribe to their theory of unlimited borrowing funding everything, that holds that every single such 'investment' they are going to make is going to be a success and pay for itself in spades, which if you look over the history of governments worldwide spending money is not a particularly likely scenario.

[phonics]

Cheaper than the wall but did you see the way he just dropped a casual £15 billion of extra spending in there without batting an eyelid? Even if you subscribe to their theory of unlimited borrowing funding everything, that holds that every single such 'investment' they are going to make is going to be a success and pay for itself in spades, which if you look over the history of governments worldwide spending money is not a particularly likely scenario.

You know I was the one that posted it saying it was made up nonsense right? I'm just saying it shouldn't be.

However, I would note that we spent 11 billion on an NHS IT system that never happened and we're spending 85 billion on HS2 so you can get to Birmingham 10 minutes faster than before. There is money to do legitimately good things.

[igor_balis]

Look, I'm as left wing as it gets but I'm totally for privatised telecoms if it means magic has to come to my house to install my phones.

[Lewis]

BT reckon they can come and install their super-duper broadband in this house (with a new line) in 'up to ten working days'. Try three months under British Telecom. And what has the government paid for over the past couple of decades? They are putting money up to roll it out to the middle of nowhere (which they shouldn't), but the current infrastructure was not their doing, and they absolutely coined it in on the two spectrum auctions (the first one almost wrecking the companies bidding).

[phonics]

BT reckon they can come and install their super-duper broadband in this house (with a new line) in 'up to ten working days'.

Strange that considering I've had both BT and Virgin install new lines and both took longer than that. Almost like these private companies can make up nonsense and there's no system of reprecussion for it.


And what has the government paid for over the past couple of decades? They are putting money up to roll it out to the middle of nowhere (which they shouldn't), but the current infrastructure was not their doing.

Government literally pays for every single piece of wire that connects it all together. Virgin threatened to rollback their installation targets when the government threatened to make the private company that directly profits off it pay for it.

At the end of the day, can you still in 2019 apply for a job without an internet connection? I doubt it in 99.9% of cases. It's a pretty compelling case on it's own.

[Disco]

That last bit is absolute horse shit.

[Shindig]

Aye. Miles out.

[niko_cee]

Maybe they'll make broadband like water, ie you can't be disconnected from it even if you never pay? Is that particular urban legend even true?

Between nationalising all the utilities (at a discount) and giving 10% of all company shares to 'the workers' anyone with a private pension is well and truly going under the Corbyn bus if they somehow manage to get in. Good luck to you all.

[Lewis]

Strange that considering I've had both BT and Virgin install new lines and both took longer than that. Almost like these private companies can make up nonsense and there's no system of reprecussion for it.

Government literally pays for every single piece of wire that connects it all together. Virgin threatened to rollback their installation targets when the government threatened to make the private company that directly profits off it pay for it.

At the end of the day, can you still in 2019 apply for a job without an internet connection? I doubt it in 99.9% of cases. It's a pretty compelling case on it's own.

The repercussions are that you go somewhere else. The old boy at work today reckoned it took the Post Office eleven months to install him a phone in the seventies. The best anybody else could do was seven. I'm not sure what you think the government has been spending money on all these years, but Gordon Brown only started talking about government rolling broadband out in his final days, and Broadband Delivery UK, which promised us the best internet in Europe by 2015, never did shit all until it was recently re-launched to bribe companies into extending coverage into Bumfuck village twenty miles from mains water (which they shouldn't be doing).

It all works well. Nationalisation doesn't.

[niko_cee]

You only need look as far as the Aussies and their NBN (debacle) to see where this shit ends up.

[Dave.]

Is it just me or are people on here actually starting to like Boris Johnson?

[Jimmy Floyd]

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lol, Corbz obviously going down well in the synagogues.

[phonics]

I see, Prince Andrew's interview went well.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Leaked Labour manifesto:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJhjZ-RWwAAqGkh?format=png&name=small

Some of that will play well, some of it will be cold sick, and I'd love to know how they're planning to police the last of those points.

[Lewis]

I would love to see that control of food prices wheeze explained in detail.

[Shindig]

Milkshake tax? That just invites more trouble. :D

[mo]

To the yard.

[Spikey M]

:D

[mugbull]

I hope the first Cabinet Minister for Women is a man

[Shindig]

Labour already did that.

[Spikey M]

I genuinely do have no choice but to spoil my ballot for the up coming election. Only Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems are running here (all of which can get fucked).

We have 1 independent. His name is "77 Joseph". At first I thought he was the British 6ix9ine, but no:

"This candidacy is in memory of Joseph Odoginyon who died prematurely in 2018 while waiting for a heart transplant."

That's it. I can't find anything else on him. :cab:

[Baz]

I'm getting all sorts through the door.

Do I vote for the person representing the party that contains the person I want to be prime minister, or bother looking into the individual claims of these unimportant, irrelevant [in the grand scheme of things] losers?

Got this choice, apparently:


OXLEY Daniel – Brexit Party

RIMMER Marie Elizabeth – Labour Party

SHORT Richard Alan – Conservative Party Candidate

SPENCER Brian Thomas – Liberal Democrat

TAYLOR Kai Anthony – Green Party - Save Our Green Space

I'm usually a 100% labour man cos of where I live ("a dog with a red rosette could get in round your way" - my father-in-law) but last time voted green cos Marie Rimmer (labour) is a known bad-egg, and my wife asked me to vote for green. Green got in, locally, afaik.

Tempted to vote for Brexit Party, who I didn't even know was a thing, just to see people lose their minds.

[phonics]

Aaron Banks' has suffered a data breach and now all his friends are crying that sharing any of this information would be breaking the EU's GDPR :D

[Lewis]

The Russians must have cut him loose.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have very, very low expectations for Boris Johnson in this debate. Reckon our Jeremy will just have to say 'selling our NHS to US corporations' 50 times and a ten point lead will be his.

[Lewis]

https://i.ibb.co/gzf3B8M/EJu-H-Ij-X0-AAbq-Ou.jpg (https://ibb.co/zGBr0gh)

:lol:

The only reasons I can think he is bothering with this is 1) they must think that Theresa May BOTTLING them last time hurt her; and/or 2) he intends to counter all of the hand-wringing about Our NHS and food banks by turning every single question back to BREXIT DITHER AND DELAY (with this latter option probably being decided pre-Brexit Party shitting the bed).

[Spikey M]

Borris really should have thrown his full support behind DEMOCRACY in order to get the Lib Dems and Greens on the stage as well.

[niko_cee]

Boris making up shit on the hoof in a debate will probably be marginally less shit than Boris pretending to make shit up on the hoof on those dreadful party political ads/vids you see.

I've a feeling this debate might out car crash Prince Andrew.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They will both just shout their respective key phrases over and over again. The fortunate thing for Boris is that these debates tend to be quite neatly packaged into policy areas, and the only area where Corbyn definitely has the upper hand on him is stuff that involves spraying money around, like the NHS, schools, free broadband etc etc.

On Brexit, Boris has a clear position and Jezza does not, and on foreign policy Corbyn is nothing short of a joke. If I was advising Corbyn I would try and make him look like the Mr Bean style underdog and Boris looking like the braying Etonian bully that he indeed is. From Boris's point of view, he wants to look like the sensible one and Corbyn like a beardy crank.

[phonics]

I have very, very low expectations for Boris Johnson in this debate. Reckon our Jeremy will just have to say 'selling our NHS to US corporations' 50 times and a ten point lead will be his.

I would too but Corbyn is an absolutely terrible debater. Too many years of being the ignored minority. He's no good at winning an argument because he's never had to speak his own truth.

[Yevrah]

Think you're on the money with "dither and delay" Jim.

[phonics]

On Brexit, Boris has a clear position and Jezza does not, and on foreign policy Corbyn is nothing short of a joke. If I was advising Corbyn I would try and make him look like the Mr Bean style underdog and Boris looking like the braying Etonian bully that he indeed is. From Boris's point of view, he wants to look like the sensible one and Corbyn like a beardy crank.

This works in the last election but not this one. With Lib Dems sucking up all the remainer votes he has to absolutely slay the Tory's and it's not happening.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He looks like Mr Magoo, is there a light shining straight in his eye or something?

[Waffdon]

The absolute state of Boris Johnson.

[Yevrah]

10 seconds ish an answer makes this headache inducing to watch.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why do they have a studio audience? The clapping is unbearable.

[SvN]

It's ridiculous. Clapping after every punchline

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

This is such a let down sequel to Tron.

[7om]

This is fucking awful.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't blame the leaders really, they are doing what they can, how can you possibly give proper answers in the tiny amount of time they are being given?

[Yevrah]

I don't blame the leaders really, they are doing what they can, how can you possibly give proper answers in the tiny amount of time they are being given?

It's the worst aspect of this by a mile and sums up why political discourse is so shit.

[-james-]

Are Rory would be cleaning up here.

[phonics]

Trying to copy America is exactly why these debates are crap.

Both of these lads are old enough to remember After Dark and should do that. Political debate over Pints and Cigarettes like it should be.

https://i.imgur.com/sEIvvrR.png

[Waffdon]

The presenter is dreamy though

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is tragic. ITV should be taken off the air.

[SvN]

Jesus Christ, forcing them to shake hands like two schoolchildren who have just had a scrap.

[Waffdon]

Prince Andrew?

[Yevrah]

The inevitable Prince Andrew question is the only reason I'm still watching, on the off chance that one of them drops a clanger and calls him a filthy paedo or some such.

[Boydy]

Prince Andrew?
Special guest referee for the second half.

[phonics]

Prince Andrew?

The only subject on which Corbyn has the right answer (get rid of the Royal Family) and will refuse to say it.

[Lewis]

They've probably been told to clap every bit of bollocks lest the Twitter maniacs accuse ITV of stacking the audience.

[Yevrah]

A quickfire section? Fucking hell.

[Waffdon]

Corbyn hates the Queen. Up the fucking Jezza

[Lewis]

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Deadly Dom. :cool:

[SvN]

Seriously. What a joke this is.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Deadly Dom. :cool:

I thought of him as soon as I saw that, straight out of the playbook.

Corbyn had a much stronger second half, Boris won the first half. All in all, a pair of cunts.

Did anyone notice Corbz saying Ep-schtein? Unbelievable scenes.

[Yevrah]

Brexit was a coup, there's no doubt about that, but Cummings should get no positive credit for a tory majority should one come, he's up against the worst opposition I can ever remember and I still can't believe they agreed to an election.

[Yeldoow]

What a load of shite that was.

Corbyn is hopeless on Brexit, and Johnson will just say any old bollocks he thinks people want to hear (even more so than most politicians).

The questions were crap as well.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Even Corbyn's answer to the fun question at the end managed to be anti-Semitic, a truly magnificent display from the great man.

Boris is a proper buffoon and school bully. I would probably rather have him as PM than Theresa May but only just.

[phonics]

Boris is a proper buffoon and school bully.

Which is why his ability to be crap at PMQs absolutely baffles me. The situation is made for him and he still trips over his own dick in that. He's surprisingly less witty than I thought.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The buffoon bit hinders him. What I've realised since he became PM is he's actually pretty thick. Learned, but thick. Corbyn is thicker, but it still shows through quite badly.

In the days of Cameron, Brown and Clegg, all three of them were more intelligent than the current two, and we decried that at the time as the worst crop of leaders ever.

[phonics]

In the days of Cameron, Brown and Clegg, all three of them were more intelligent than the current two, and we decried that at the time as the worst crop of leaders ever.

Cameron thought he was smarter than everyone and wasn't.
Brown knew he was smarter than everyone and held them in contempt for it.
Clegg was exactly as mediocre as thought and managed not to even hit that bar.

Funnily enough add them all together and you probably get Blair.

[Lewis]

In hindsight I think Nick 'Cleggers' Clegg was an intelligent man hell-bent on wasting his own time. Why was he even a Liberal Democrat? And I don't mean 'lol join the Tories'. Why, if you were a pro-European 'centrist' with any sort of ambition, wouldn't you just have joined New Labour at the height of both their popularity and their Euro-mania?

[Shindig]

Maybe he wanted to lead rather than follow?

[Yevrah]

He must have been asked that question, surely? It's an interesting one so if the answer is on record I'd be curious to see it.

[Yevrah]

Surprised Swinson said yes to the nuclear option.

[Lewis]

She's probably dusting off the old plans to make it a European deterrent.

[phonics]

In hindsight I think Nick 'Cleggers' Clegg was an intelligent man hell-bent on wasting his own time. Why was he even a Liberal Democrat? And I don't mean 'lol join the Tories'. Why, if you were a pro-European 'centrist' with any sort of ambition, wouldn't you just have joined New Labour at the height of both their popularity and their Euro-mania?

Because the modern Lib Dem is just a non-Eton bred Tory that liked Reggae in sixth form. If politics was a school disco, Cleggers would be against the wall seething at Tony Blair while shouting 'women say that they want nice guys, but really go for men who are jerks'

[Lewis]

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Speaking of which...

[phonics]

The irony being that the Stock Photo set that meme comes from ends with Red Dress murdering shirt guy.

[Dave.]

As expected, Corbyn did slightly better than Johnson in the debate but Johnson did what he had to do - kept on referring to Brexit even in the last question and didn't make any major gaffes. All this means is that the Tories are still on course for a 30-40 seat majority which is my prediction for the election next month.

[Ian]

Did Corbyn do better? Everything I've seen from people who wanted him to do well is that it was a colossal missed opportunity and he made himself look a bit useless while Johnson did his mugging for the crown bit.

[Dave.]

Did Corbyn do better? Everything I've seen from people who wanted him to do well is that it was a colossal missed opportunity and he made himself look a bit useless while Johnson did his mugging for the crown bit.

I thought he did well and I'm not a fan of the guy. He didn't do well enough to make huge gains in the polls and massively increase his popularity as his supporters might have hoped though.

[Lofty]

Has Rachel Riley gone fucking mental?

[Boydy]

Has Rachel Riley gone fucking mental?

It certainly seems so.

[Yevrah]

I don't know what it is about the countdown numbers role, produces absolute nutbags from seemingly previously normal people.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If I knew that thousands of men between the ages of 12 and 92 were masturbating to the sight of me at 2.10pm every weekday, I reckon I'd go mental pretty quickly.

[-james-]

I don't know what it is about the countdown numbers role, produces absolute nutbags from seemingly previously normal people.

What's the previous such instance?

[Lewis]

I thought it was quite clever.

[-james-]

It's a hell of a fall from grace. Who had a bad word to say about her a year ago? She's now trending alongside a rapey Scottish nationalist.

[Boydy]

If I knew that thousands of men between the ages of 12 and 92 were masturbating to the sight of me at 2.10pm every weekday, I reckon I'd go mental pretty quickly.

:D

Lol

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's a hell of a fall from grace. Who had a bad word to say about her a year ago? She's now trending alongside a rapey Scottish nationalist.

The Corbyn lot have been all over her for ages iirc as she espouses centrist/Blairite views. Of course they wouldn't give a single fuck if, say, Mark Labbett from The Chase espoused the same views. It pays not to be an attractive woman.

[Yevrah]

What's the previous such instance?

Vorderman. She's a hateful person.

[Lewis]

She gives the anti-Semitism stuff a bigger platform than it would otherwise get on Twitter, and all the mongs can't handle it.

[Dave.]

Vorderman. She's a hateful person.

I will always remember her opinions on the Jamie Bulgar case and her subsequent appearance on Question Time. Yep, hateful woman.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

What did she say that was so bad?

[Spikey M]

If memory serves she just went full Daily Mail about it after one of them was sent back to prison for a new offence, because THE PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW WHAT THE EVIL BASTARD HAS DONE NOW!!!!!

[Dave.]

What did she say that was so bad?

https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/public-accounts/2010/03/sarah-palin-national-carol

[phonics]

I know you've all said QuestionTime had gone downhill but I just saw that clip from yesterday where the guy refuses to accept that him earning 80k+ a year puts him in the top 5% of earners. Jaysus.

[Lewis]

It's not that surprising that somebody on that wouldn't necessarily consider themselves to be part of 'the rich', but showing himself up on telly like that come on mate.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Twitter has gone into such a hysterical meltdown this election that I genuinely fear for the mental health of some prominent figures in the arts and creative world if Boris wins a majority (Armando Ianucci, I'm looking at you).

If Jezza somehow wins a majority or forms a government then my take will be fair enough, crack on old boy. I don't understand the bile going around either from the Brexit will of the people weirdos, or the remain loons.

[Lofty]

I think Brexit was just a Trojan Horse for TTIP 2.0 personally. The extreme division just helps things along.

[Dave.]

Twitter has gone into such a hysterical meltdown this election that I genuinely fear for the mental health of some prominent figures in the arts and creative world if Boris wins a majority (Armando Ianucci, I'm looking at you).

If Jezza somehow wins a majority or forms a government then my take will be fair enough, crack on old boy. I don't understand the bile going around either from the Brexit will of the people weirdos, or the remain loons.

I predicted a 30-40 majority for Boris before the election started and I'm sticking with that.

[Lofty]

I predicted a 30-40 majority for Boris before the election started and I'm sticking with that.

Did the Brexit Party standing down candidates in some areas not chanhe your prediction? Or did you always know Farage was all farts and no shit?

[Spikey M]

Twitter has gone into such a hysterical meltdown this election that I genuinely fear for the mental health of some prominent figures in the arts and creative world if Boris wins a majority (Armando Ianucci, I'm looking at you).

If Jezza somehow wins a majority or forms a government then my take will be fair enough, crack on old boy. I don't understand the bile going around either from the Brexit will of the people weirdos, or the remain loons.

I think we are on the cusp of becoming fully politically Americanised. All sides look absolutely mental at the moment.

[John Arne]

Twitter has gone into such a hysterical meltdown this election that I genuinely fear for the mental health of some prominent figures in the arts and creative world if Boris wins a majority (Armando Ianucci, I'm looking at you).



I recently stopped following Ianucci, Baddiel, half the Guardian sports writers, and a few other comedians.

My Twitter feed is so much more refreshing and positive.

[Dave.]

Did the Brexit Party standing down candidates in some areas not chanhe your prediction? Or did you always know Farage was all farts and no shit?

I don't think the Brexit Party standing down makes too much of a difference, maybe in a couple of marginals but nothing beyond that.

My thinking behind my prediction is pretty simple, at the last election the Tory manifesto had very little positive things in it and they've definitely improved on that. They almost got the majority last time and this time they will.

[Boydy]

I know you've all said QuestionTime had gone downhill but I just saw that clip from yesterday where the guy refuses to accept that him earning 80k+ a year puts him in the top 5% of earners. Jaysus.
At one point during it he claimed he wasn't even in the top 50%.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nobody on 80k plus would behave in that particular manner. He'll be on about 30k and just fancied a rant.

[Lofty]

Apparently he is some kind of champion motorcyclist and IT consultant.

I got blocked by an acquaintance on facebook today for pointing out the flaw in that vital '10 men go to a pub' tax story :D

[Yevrah]

He was monstrously wrong about where he appears in the list of earners, but bang on about PAYE.

Depending on what the increases are nobody who is seriously rich will be paying them, leaving those who aren't (but are still on a bloody good wage) to carry the can.

Or in other words, it won't work.

[phonics]

Nobody on 80k plus would behave in that particular manner. He'll be on about 30k and just fancied a rant.

You heavbily underestimate how much Plumbers/Plasterers/Electricians make.

[Yevrah]

You heavbily underestimate how much Plumbers/Plasterers/Electricians make.

No chance they're paying all the tax they should on that anyway and they likely might not be through PAYE anyway. So again, it doesn't work.

[niko_cee]

Rich to me implies some sort of independence from work, what do they call it? A private income? Being on £80k (but working for it) makes you well off, not rich.

I'm amazed anyone watches Question Time. I haven't been able to bear it for years.

[phonics]

No chance they're paying all the tax they should on that anyway and they likely might not be through PAYE anyway. So again, it doesn't work.

I'm not saying he has an argument? I'm saying Jim's 'nobody on 80k plus' would behave in that manner argument is thick as shit.

[Yevrah]

I'm not saying he has an argument? I'm saying Jim's 'nobody on 80k plus' would behave in that manner argument is thick as shit.

Yeah, there will be some right plebs on more than that. Agreed.

[phonics]

And also the legitimately rich also act in exactly that manner all the time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If (as he claims) someone values his annual labour at over £80,000 and employs him on PAYE, then that implies that either: a) he has exceptional managerial ability built up over many years; or b) he has a specialist skill built up over many years which he successfully deployed in business.

I don't think anyone who is willing to go on national television and deploy the level of arguments he did could possibly also fulfil either a) or b), unless: c) the person who employs him is a numbskull who is about to lose a lot of money if they haven't already.

[phonics]

Jim this bloke has over 25 million quid in the bank

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There's not a venn diagram of Rich and Smart people that is a perfect circle.

To make this argument apolitical, Keith Vaz and David Lammy are worth over 5 million pounds each.

Just be real with yourself, you think he's lying because he's got the accent of a poor person.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I didn't say anything about wealth, I said something about income and specifically the likely public behaviour of people who are high-paid employees on PAYE, i.e. those who have got to a high wage having played by the rules. If you read my comment as 'rich people are smarter than poor people', well, that's your problem and not mine.

Incidentally, the only way for Corbyn to pay for all this stuff he wants to do will be large increases in all taxes including those on lower and middle incomes. If people decide this is a price worth paying then fine, but it's no use pretending that gesture politics will provide for this massive increase in the size and scope of the state.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Oh and there's a Question Time special with the leaders about to start, which is what we all need in these troubled times.

[Yevrah]

Corbyn has done really well here.

The antisemitism, underfunded policies and a split of the vote to the Lib Dems will see him do quite badly I fancy, but he's actually quite good at this now.

[Giggles]

If you’ve worked to earn good money then you shouldn’t have to pay extortionately more to pay for the dregs.

[Pepe]

Who decides what "extortionately more" is?

[Giggles]

Who decides what "extortionately more" is?

Politicians who earn that much but never have to pay it. But anyway, the decent should never have to pay for the vermin.

[Yevrah]

Seriously, I wish Scotland would just fuck off.

[phonics]

Basic economics means that there wouldn't be 'good money' for you to earn in the first place without 'the dregs' as you call them.

[Giggles]

Basic economics means that there wouldn't be 'good money' for you to earn in the first place without 'the dregs' as you call them.

Grand, then nobody is on good money and we’re looking at a different consumer world. But as it stands, punishing someone for getting up off their holes and making something of themselves is a load of bollocks.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Seriously, I wish Scotland would just fuck off.

As I've said before, don't mistake the SNP for Scotland.

[Yevrah]

As I've said before, don't mistake the SNP for Scotland.

That is a fair point, it's just difficult when that's all I see down here.

[phonics]

Grand, then nobody is on good money and we’re looking at a different consumer world. But as it stands, punishing someone for getting up off their holes and making something of themselves is a load of bollocks.

Taxation is not punishment. The sliver of increase you lose out on is returned several hundred thousand million fold by the society around you.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

That is a fair point, it's just difficult when that's all I see down here.

They shout the loudest for sure. Doesn't help when most of the English media treat Sturgeon more like a visiting foreign dignitary to admire.

[Giggles]

Taxation is not punishment. The sliver of increase you lose out on is returned several hundred thousand million fold by the society around you.

Fuck them if they couldn’t be bothered.

[Yevrah]

Giggles, that really is an appalling attitude.

Any free society only works when people are prepared to look out for each other, even if only to a certain degree.

[Giggles]

Giggles, that really is an appalling attitude.

Any free society only works when people are prepared to look out for each other, even if only to a certain degree.

That only promotes people to sit in a bedsit rolling fags and having illegitimate children all day instead of going to third level education or working. Cut their benefits instead of punishing the decent.

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[Yevrah]

Cut them to what? Benefits are so low life must be pretty grim as it is.

[Lofty]

People going nuts about a pence increase on income over £80k a year are going to shit the bed when they see the monthly health insurance premiums as Bozza and Nige ride off into the sunset as newly minted billionaires on the back of the NHS sell off.

[Giggles]

Cut them to what? Benefits are so low life must be pretty grim as it is.

That’s their own fault.

[Kikó]

Why have you got such disdain for those who are less fortunate? Do you really think benefits are some life of larry rather than a complete turd of an existence?

This 80k and not being on PAYE is absolutely mental as well. With IR35 closing, more people are falling into PAYE. Unless you're some super rich dickhead who doesn't even have an income.

[Yevrah]

14 million UK citizens are not living in poverty.

Sigh.

[Giggles]

Why have you got such disdain for those who are less fortunate? Do you really think benefits are some life of larry rather than a complete turd of an existence?

This 80k and not being on PAYE is absolutely mental as well. With IR35 closing, more people are falling into PAYE. Unless you're some super rich dickhead who doesn't even have an income.

“Less fortunate”? Fuck off. The vast majority are lazy cunts.

[Yevrah]

And you're an arse Giggles.

[Kikó]

You're absolutely clueless.

[Giggles]

Education and a bit of fucking work can be done by all.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Back on topic lads.

Swinson's definitely worth a motorboat and tit wank, preferably in that order.

[Kikó]

Yeah because "everyone" is on a low income for the same reason. You're not that fucking stupid.

[Spikey M]

Didn't the Lib Dems use to be the centrist party? This is proper lefty wing nut shit.

[Yevrah]

I'm actually with Swinson on this one. It's not undemocratic if she tells people before they vote for her what she's going to do and sticks to it.

[Yevrah]

Students don't leave university with 50 grand of debt and they're not paying 6% interest back (in any normal sense) when they can "barely get a job".

How is this horseshit still being peddled?

[Yevrah]

How does another referendum heal wounds? How are people so fucking stupid?

Jesus, the rage is piling on here.

[Lewis]

It's like the definition of motivated reasoning that one isn't it. I wouldn't even vote in a second referendum, let alone take the result in my arse.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Swinson is toast. She might even lose her seat if the Nats have a good night.

[Lewis]

That nuclear deterrent answer was a pretty good one, but it all generally came across like she was pleading for her life.

[Yevrah]

That nuclear deterrent answer was a pretty good one, but it all generally came across like she was pleading for her life.

Or pleading to stop Alan Shearer motorboating her....

[Yevrah]

Nope, 40% of the children in your community are not living in poverty.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'Prime Minister, how can you justify that EVERYONE in the country except you is LIVING IN ABJECT POVERTY?'

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, they were cheering, they were booing, they were pulling bullshit from their arseholes, they were pulling buttplugs from their arseholes.

[Lewis]

I think on current poverty measures something like ninety per cent of people were in poverty during the sixties. Were they really?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Look at these kids seething with fury. Just like all the other kids in the whole of history, but they think they're special, just like all the others did.

[Yevrah]

Fiona is becoming a worthy successor to Dimbleby.

[Yevrah]

And Boris is crap at this. Just piss poor.

[Lewis]

Margaret Thatcher would have eye-rolled and belittled these twats into the nearest canal.

[phonics]

Fuck them if they couldn’t be bothered.

You realise taxes pay for more than benefits right?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Cummings should just send himself out for the next debate.

[Lewis]

I never understand how doctors can leave the NHS for countries without one and somehow work under better conditions. Surely they're just hacking limbs off and drilling holes in heads in places like Australia and Canada.

[Yevrah]

Cummings should just send himself out for the next debate.

As much as I don't think he's the messiah I would give a little finger, a kidney and a left bollock to see that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How the fuck is Dot Cotton still alive? I thought the actress was dead, never mind the character.

[Yevrah]

She's now 92 and must be one of the few people left who served in the second world war.

[Lewis]

Floyd, the polls aren't moving and they're all looking good. Have they all got it wrong again?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd like to see tonight's ones with the fieldwork since Labour promised free trumpet lessons and nationalising Rice Krispies. But if Con stays above 40 we're all good. LD/Lab are just competing for the same votes and it's hard to believe LD are going to do worse than last time.

[niko_cee]

The Grimsby thing The Economist/Survation did was interesting.

[Lewis]

I saw a stray tweet the other day quoting a poll having the Nigel Party taking one of the Hull seats (albeit the one with the two dozen Conservative voters in). It's hard to see how the Conservative Party lose a load of 2017 votes, but there is still time for the Swinson Surge to melt away if remain dickheads realise that the Labour Party are actually the best bet for not leaving.

'I would vote Labour, but my wife and I can't really afford to live in the area we live in, so we're with her.'

[Jimmy Floyd]

If the Swinson surge melts away it will just help them in the south (although in the true ponce seats like where I live you will see massive Lib Dem gains).

People in the south would vote for some conceivable Labour leaders, but Corbyn is poison.

[Lewis]

This weird 1984-style Green Party advert on Channel 4 is a good one.

[phonics]

Conservative Manifesto off to a good start with Nicky Morgan making Piers Morgan look like the nice guy on telly today.

[phonics]

These Lib Dems love loading young people with debt. It's like every policy is inteded to make Under-35s life worse.

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[Lewis]

'Let's reform the planning system.'
'What about if instead...'

[Lewis]

I reckon that picture they use of her is more dishonest than all of their bar charts combined.

[phonics]

She looks like the bird from Spaced there.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'Help to rent' is the worst policy I have heard in a long time. At least the commie shit from Labour makes sense on its own terms.

[Yevrah]

Conservative Manifesto off to a good start with Nicky Morgan making Piers Morgan look like the nice guy on telly today.

Her definition of 'more' was genuinely embarrassing.

I'm also now of the opinion that political parties should be fined (quite severely) if they say anything that can be objectively proved to be incorrect. It's reached epidemic proportions now and enough is enough.

[Ian]

Her definition of 'more' was genuinely embarrassing.

I'm also now of the opinion that political parties should be fined (quite severely) if they say anything that can be objectively proved to be incorrect. It's reached epidemic proportions now and enough is enough.

Is that something the electoral commission should be doing or is it only attempts to do anything iffy with the election itself they're responsible for?

[Yevrah]

Not sure how far their remit stretches, but they seem to spend all of their time trying to work out who has broken the rules on funding.

[Shindig]

Fact checking should be a five minute job for them as well. Easy money.

[phonics]

Fact checking should be a five minute job for them as well. Easy money.

They'd be obliterated by lawyers within minutes. Easy way to lose money.

[Lofty]

Labour need to bring out the literal big guns here and have Ange Rayner promise free soapy titwanks for all and sunder if they win a majority.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

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Glorious and about time someone took her to task on health.

[Shindig]

She's not getting up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

All sorts of drama going on a couple of streets away from me as the motorbike victim's family were trying to get into a hustings, and Dominic Raab's goons shunted them outside. There's a genuine feeling round 'ere that Raab could lose his 23,000 majority, which really would be some effort.

[niko_cee]

You should vote for him purely on the basis of that mic drop racism argument he had with that labour bod the other day.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jez Corbyn is such a twat on Andrew Neil here. Even if you like his policies, don't you want a better frontman than this old crone?

[Shindig]

I think I'm going Green this year. Although I think their 'Peoples vote' is a fool's errand. I just can't look at Jo Swinson. It's like Tony Blair if Cherie Blair was Tony Blair. They're campaigning hard though, so I'll be spotting that mug on my doorstep every time I come in from work.

[phonics]

Jez Corbyn is such a twat on Andrew Neil here. Even if you like his policies, don't you want a better frontman than this old crone?

This is a large percent of my issue with him and the cabinet. The policies are good (however unrealistic you think they are) but does everyone have to be such a twat or nobody about it?

However, can someone give me a convincing reason that voting for one of the two main parties isn't absolutely mental.

[Shindig]

You get to pretend you won?

[phonics]

As with all politics I'm a massive hypocrite considering I've spoiled a ballot in 2015.

However at this point I think there's a very obvious choice about where you want the country to go (whether you think they can achieve it or not) and it's very much not the time to vote 3rd party.

edit: Turns out it didn't matter anyway the entire time. I had no idea how Conservative Guildford and Godalming was/is. Carry on.

edit2: Just found out Jeremy Hunt is 'my' MP.

[Shindig]

Exactly. It doesn't matter how Conservative (or at least Anti-Corbyn) the office is, we're surrounded by students. And ex-miners. All set in their ways.

[Lewis]

This is a large percent of my issue with him and the cabinet. The policies are good (however unrealistic you think they are) but does everyone have to be such a twat or nobody about it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYeVQzTVyLk

Nobody with more than half a brain wants to sit through that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

As with all politics I'm a massive hypocrite considering I've spoiled a ballot in 2015.

However at this point I think there's a very obvious choice about where you want the country to go (whether you think they can achieve it or not) and it's very much not the time to vote 3rd party.

edit: Turns out it didn't matter anyway the entire time. I had no idea how Conservative Guildford and Godalming was/is. Carry on.

edit2: Just found out Jeremy Hunt is 'my' MP.

Dib Lems could win Guildford, but Hunt is safe.

[phonics]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYeVQzTVyLk

Nobody with more than half a brain wants to sit through that.

Trying to change the subject from me not wanting to sit through that.

[Spikey M]

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He's not a gangster, he's just about.

[7om]

I think for the first time I actually felt sorry for Corbyn last night. When he kept saying ‘Andrew, Andrew’ it’s like the twat was begging for his life.

[Yevrah]

There's something really sinister about the way Corbyn almost always responds to specific questions about anti-semitism with "all racism is bad".

Of course it is you tool, but you're specifically being asked about anti-semitism.

[Lewis]

It's because he's thick and can't comprehend his mates doing racism.

[Magic]

There's something really sinister about the way Corbyn almost always responds to specific questions about anti-semitism with "all racism is bad".

Of course it is you tool, but you're specifically being asked about anti-semitism.

Weird you think that's a sinister response.

[Spikey M]

It's the answer you'd get from any politician. It's an answer without giving an answer.

[Baz]

I can’t bring myself to vote for Corbyn :sick:

[Yevrah]

It’s an answer you’d get from any politician trying to dodge the question.

Which makes it look like he’s fine with all that jazz.

Even if he is, just lie for fuck’s sake.

[Kikó]

I can’t bring myself to vote for Corbyn :sick:

You don't vote for prime ministers. I *can* vote Corbyn as he's my constituency.

[Spikey M]

He's just following the party line which is 'do not accept that we have an issue with Antisemitism'. Or at least, not to a greater extent than you find in the general public.

[SvN]

It's overblown horseshit anyway.

[Magic]

I feel like he's getting a harder time for that despite Johnson and his cronies openly being racist, fascist cunts.

The whole 'OMG A RABBI HAS CRITICISED' being perceived as more damaging than millions of minorities is hilarious as well. Fucking rabbis.

[SvN]

It's ridiculous. The entire agenda of "Is Corbyn a secret racist?" is laughable when you look at Boris' track record. He's got a proven history of speaking and writing sexist, homophobic and racist views. Yet Corbyn get's crucified by the media for apparently "not doing enough" to prevent racism.