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The Merse
24-09-2015, 11:17 PM
Rise of Burnham

Andy Burnham had a plan. He had a vision. He was going to save politics.

Corbyn! The ignominy of it! He'll drop his guard...


Andy Burnham is pissed off. Seeking revenge and to satisfy his grandiose ambitions, Andy Burnham is determined to seize control of the Labour party, and will use every bit of political nous up his sleeve to do so. He is a chameleon, capable of camouflaging his Machiavellian activities and even he probably doesn't know just how far he will go in his insatiable desire for power...

The Allies of Burnham will win by offing Corbyn, but can only do so once they have crushed his powerbase. Once a night they can elect to kill a player, but they cannot kill Corbyn until seven or less of his friends remain. Nonetheless, should they elect to eliminate him before then, they will learn his identity. In addition to this, Burnhams reliance on backing the winning horse at all times means that their ability to eliminate a player on any given night will depend on Burnham’s voting in that nights bye-election. Should Burnham fail to vote for the player(s) that attract the most votes, their elimination selection will be null and void. Should the Allies remove Corbyn from power, Nicola Sturgeon will become their next target as they seek to regain ground in Scotland.

Characters

Wolves – Allies of Burnham

Andy Burnham – reeling from his defeat, Burnham is set for revenge, but being a snivelling shitecunt, he plans on doing so without being detected. Should Burnham be sacked by the allies of Corbyn, his identity will switch to one of his own allies.
Kate Hoey - Former Sports Minister under Tony Blair. Strong opponent of banning Fox hunting and supporter of a cycling tax. Popular sort.
John Prescott - Former Deputy Prime Minister. Enjoys punch ups, fry ups and cock ups. Not a fan of Pixar's Up. Obviously a pluralist.
Michael Meacher - Former party heavyweight and general old timer.
Andrew Gwynne - Shadow Health Minister and youngest MP in the 2005 parliament, member of the Christian Socialist Movement

Village - Friends of Corbyn

Jeremy Corbyn
Corbyn is able to enquire as to the identity of one player a night. Corbyn knows the identity of Nicola Sturgeon, and may communicate with her freely. Should he be eliminated, she will be become Burnhams next target.

Rupert Murdoch
He may be the antithesis of a typical Corbyn supporter in many ways, but old Rupert has a thing for our Jezza, and a hatred for Burnham's chameleon antics. He'll use his media empire to publicly 'investigate' one player per turn, but given that his media empire is run by a bunch of lying bastards, the results of the enquiry aren't always to be trusted.

Friends of Corbyn
Corbyn’s chums will be trying to keep their Trotskyist icon in control of the Labour party by weeding out those that wish to damage his leadership.

Len McLuskey - £140,000 a year Trade Union leader. Go figure.
Diane Abbot – Coveting the London Mayor's office and slagging off Tories on the beeb is her game.
John McDonnell - 2 failed leadership attempts and two failed heart attacks. Says something, clearly.
Ken Livingstone - Former London Mayor and general loon. A bit corrupt. Aka 'Red Ken'
Richard Burgon - Former trade union lawyer. Friend of the bone idle.
Simon Fletcher – Red Ken's former Chief of Staff.
Tom Watson - Corbyns Deputy. Mudslinger.
Clive Lewis - Former BBC reporter and Army reservist.
Cat Smith – Formerly worked in Corbyns office.
Carmel Nolan – Colourful leftie of limited political nous
Kat Fletcher - Corbyn campaign co-ordinator.


Nigel Farage
King cunt himself is keen to weaken the labour party but sees Corbyn as a possible Eurosceptic ally in the battle to leave Europe. Farage is able to claim victory under special conditions communicated only to Farage and which cannot be communicated otherwise, and knows the identity of Corbyn.

The Tories - Cameron & Boris Johnson
The Tories are unsure of their position in the post-Corbyn world. First they laughed, then they worried. The Tories cannot claim a victory under any circumstance, but will nominate and vote in the same manner as other players at their own discretion and know of each others identities. They also stick out like a sore thumb in this company. David Cameron will be informed of and can veto any Allies of Burnham elimination, once in the course of the game.

Nicola Sturgeon
Knows the identity of Corbyn and may communicate freely with him. Should Corbyn be eliminated whilst she remains, she will become the next target of Burnham as he looks to secure Scotland. No-one's quite sure whether she's pro-Corbyn, as whilst they're well aligned in certain aspects, she's unlikely to welcome a 'true' Labour leader regaining ground in Scotland.

Ground Rules
1. Only specially designated and notified characters may communicate about the game outside this thread.
2. Nothing from outside this thread shall be used as evidence against another player. Screenshots will lead to immediate death.
3. Players who know each others' identities (as set out above) may communicate via PM or via other online messaging services such as MSN.
4. The narrator's word is final.
5. All special characters must send the narrator their victim/inquiry/choice by Private Message within the time specified.
6. During nominations, each person may only nominate or second another citizen once.
7. Player roles will be revealed upon elimination.
8. Players who persistently fail to contribute will be eliminated, and will not be replaced, unless a suitable replacement is found within a short space of time.
9. "No Kill" is NOT an option for nominations/votes.

# During nominations, each person may only nominate or second another villager once. You must provide some form of reason for your nomination. Please use this template:

I nominate Player 1 (first nomination).

This must then be followed by some form of reasoning for your nomination.

If you are seconding a nomination, follow this format:

I second the nomination of Player 1 (second nomination, first nomination by Player X.)

Again some form of reasoning would be ideal but not essential.

Votes


Quote this post, cut it down to the names below and bold and underline your choice from the names below. One vote per player.

Player 1 - Player 2 - etc

Changing Your Vote


If you wish to change your vote, please quote this and indicate your change as follows (bolding and underlining your new choice):

Player 1 - Player 2 - etc

I would like to change my vote from Player X to the one now indicated above.

PLAYERS WILL BE EXPECTED TO CONDUCT THE VOTING PHASE ON THEIR OWN. YOU’RE ALL ADULTS (oh, hi Spoon) AND ITS WORKED FINE OF LATE.

VOTING SHOULD BEGIN AT 3PM ON WORKING DAYS, WITH NOMINATIONS THEN COMMENCING AFTER THAT NIGHTS ELIMINATIONS.

CUT OFF TIME FOR VOTING IS 8PM, WITH ELIMINATIONS REVEALED AROUND 10PM.

SPECIAL CHARACTERS WILL BE INFORMED OF DEADLINES FOR ENQUIRIES AND KILLS IN THEIR ROLE INSTRUCTIONS.

PM's will be sent out tomorrow night and the first nomination phase will run through until Monday 3pm to give people the chance to get on board.

Please someone remind of the colours for voting / nominating stuff please? Can't get onto the old site to check


Player List -
Ian - Tom Watson, wolf kill night 5
Hammer - Carmel Nolan - lynched night 1, resurrected night 2, lynched night 3
Igor Balis
Panda - Andy Burnham, lynched night 10
SVN - Diane Abbott lynched night 9
Byron - Jeremy Corbyn - Wolf kill night 6
7OM - Michael Meecher (wolf) - Lynched night 6
Boydy
Mahow - Boris Johnson, wolf kill night 7
Vim
Pepe - Ken Livingstone - Wolf kill Night 3
Mazuurk - Andrew Gwynne (wolf) - Lynched night 4
Matt - Kat Fletcher - Wolf kill night 1 *** Kate Hoey (wolf) - sniper kill night 6
Jimmy Floyd - John Prescott (wolf) - Lynched night 2
Browning
Niko_Cee John McDonnell - Lynched night 5
Cjay - Simon Fletcher, lynched night 7
P3
Magic (replaced by Matt, Day 3) - wolf
Demerit
Pleb
Toby

Part 1 - Day

Right PM's are being sent in the next hour. Well aware I'm not a particularly compelling writer, so I hope this does along with some compelling gameplay (the emphasis of the latter on you lot, obviously).

Jeremy Corbyn had yet to even sit on the front benches of the opposition when the knives were first drawn by his newly subordinate colleagues. He had known it was coming, it had all been so overt in the race for the leadership. Most of his potential charges with cabinet experience had refused the role under his stewardship and he knew, deep down, that the Labour Party called itself home to a raft of degenerate cunts. He needed to weed that element out. Not for himself, but for the party, for the people. He would talk of reconciling differences with the Blairites, of council for those he’d beaten in the race for the leadership, but he knew that attack was the only form of defence. Already his supporters were fervently looking to lynch anyone that might threaten their leader, their great doyen and saviour of working class ideals… But Corbyn was a wily old fox, unaccustomed to the limelight perhaps, but more than familiar with the shadows that enveloped everything outside of it.

For the party, for the people.

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‘Shtony’ ‘Tonyyy’

‘… Yes Andrew…?’

Andy Burnham is drunk.

Whisky and cigarettes hung in the air. It wasn’t like him, it didn’t suit him. He is a man to which drunken stupor hangs awkwardly, almost as awkwardly as revelry, or indeed any exaggerated loss of composure. This isn’t to say that Andy Burnham is the steely sort, as much as, well… boring?

‘Tony…’

‘Andrew, you’re upset. Let’s talk in the morning, when we can look at this as the opportunity it truly is’

‘Fucking Tony – don’t you leave me!’

Tony had gone. Andy Burnham was alone. As he'd always been...

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It was with a trembling hand that Corbyn reached out to the one man he knew that could bring his foes to heel without any persecuting of the party sacrificing their own. But he was not a knight in shining armour, so much as the devil you know. It left a pit in the stomach, that felt like it might swallow his soul.

‘Jeremy, I’ve been looking forward to your call…’

‘Er… Yes, perhaps – hello Rupert’

CJay
24-09-2015, 11:22 PM
I don't follow politics much, so this'll all be over my head. Looks good, though. You've got Farage in twice, btw.

The Merse
24-09-2015, 11:28 PM
Ah yeah - cheers bud.

It won't really be about politics per se, it just provided a good framework for the idea's I had around the roles and rules and I came to Burnham after initially going for a proper House of Cards theme due to myself and a mate having been making various escalating jokes at his expense of late. Largely flights of fancy, some of which went a bit HoC-ish, so here we are.

Sir Andy Mahowry
24-09-2015, 11:34 PM
I know of 2 or 3 people in this.

Brilliant...

Boydy
24-09-2015, 11:36 PM
Are the friends of Corbyn just the normal villagers then?

The Merse
24-09-2015, 11:38 PM
Yep.

The Merse
24-09-2015, 11:40 PM
I know of 2 or 3 people in this.

Brilliant...

Honest to fuck, that's scary. Sturgeon, Cameron, Johnson, Corbyn, Burnham, Murdoch, Farage, Livingstone and Prescott are huge names.

The others, meh... They're not role holders, it's really not important.

Jimmy Floyd
24-09-2015, 11:49 PM
Odds 6 months ago on a Jeremy Corbyn themed werewolf game...

igor_balis
24-09-2015, 11:55 PM
:hail:

Good work Merse. And I'm almost impressed with you as well Mahow, it must have taken some effort to know so few of those people.

Demerit
24-09-2015, 11:57 PM
Brilliant, hopefully the writing is good.

Decent theme and I like the Andy Burnham role, should make for good double bluffs.

CJay
25-09-2015, 12:17 AM
Brilliant, hopefully the writing is good.

Decent theme and I like the Andy Burnham role, should make for good double bluffs.

You like the role, eh? :sherlock:

7om
25-09-2015, 12:47 AM
Looks good, Merse. Looking forward to it.

The Merse
25-09-2015, 01:14 AM
PM's should be with everyone now.

Byron
25-09-2015, 04:13 AM
I nominate CJay for bringing out the first :sherlock:

Panda Bear
25-09-2015, 04:33 AM
Alright. My plan is to show up on Tuesday to pretend that I missed it all and that it was all your fault.

Ian
25-09-2015, 08:01 AM
Right lads, cards on the table: I should be able to do a decent amount during the day but I am ultimately at work so I might 'disappear' without warning.

Feel free to use this as the basis of a scathing insight into my villainous behaviour.

Panda Bear
25-09-2015, 08:07 AM
That reminds me that I typically start work at 6:00 PM your guys' time, and sometimes I get into the office even later than that. The chances of me being on before that are effectively nil.

Pleb
25-09-2015, 11:23 AM
Interesting concept. Should be a good one this.

Vim
25-09-2015, 11:47 AM
I guess it's time to get acquainted with British politics. I only know like five of the characters.

Boydy
25-09-2015, 11:49 AM
You're doing better than Mahow who actually lives here.

Sir Andy Mahowry
25-09-2015, 11:57 AM
Honest to fuck, that's scary. Sturgeon, Cameron, Johnson, Corbyn, Burnham, Murdoch, Farage, Livingstone and Prescott are huge names.

The others, meh... They're not role holders, it's really not important.

I know Cameron, Johnson, Corbyn (purely because of what has happened lately), Murdoch, Farage and Livingstone (appearances on panel shows).

I was exaggerating a bit but yeah.

Vim
25-09-2015, 11:59 AM
Formatting voting and nominations will be a bitch on mobile.

Browning
25-09-2015, 01:17 PM
Not crazy about the theme, but Werewolf is werewolf. Still hoping that ASOIAF game will happen at some point.

Some interesting roles though, should be a good game.

Boydy
25-09-2015, 01:58 PM
So what phase are we in? Are we nominating people now?

Toby
25-09-2015, 02:01 PM
Yeah we have until Monday 3pm to nominate somebody.

(i.e. we're in the worst phase of the game)

Boydy
25-09-2015, 02:01 PM
Yeah, I hate nominating at the start.

Boydy
25-09-2015, 02:04 PM
I nominate Hammer (first nomination)

We have nothing to go on so I used a random number generator for that list in the first post.

Toby
25-09-2015, 02:08 PM
I nominate Hammer (first nomination)

We have nothing to go on so I used a random number generator for that list in the first post.

That's a good idea. This was genuinely my outcome though:

http://i.imgur.com/ojfcJeY.png

I nominate Boydy (first nomination)

Pepe
25-09-2015, 02:15 PM
Alright lads, what you've all been waiting for: question time!


Should Burnham fail to vote for the player(s) that attract the most votes, their elimination selection will be null and void. Should the Allies remove Corbyn from power, Nicola Sturgeon will become their next target as they seek to regain ground in Scotland.


Two things: Does that mean that whoever is Burnham is required to vote for the person that gets lynched or they don't get to kill that night? If so, that should start narrowing things down for us fairly quickly if we play it smart, mainly employing a 'spreading the votes' tactic. Wins by landslide will only hurt us.

Second, is this a Pleb style game where as soon as they eliminate Corbyn and whoever replaces him the mafia wins, or do they need to get rid of all the town? Seems like the former but just making sure.

Pepe
25-09-2015, 02:17 PM
One more: When Burnham is dead, will the requirement to vote for the lynched person be transferred to whoever replaces him?

Demerit
25-09-2015, 03:10 PM
I believe so, Sturgeon takes the Burnham role if he dies.

Going to look at this properly after work and get a spreadsheet going

EDIT: Clarification on roles if Burnham dies then Sturgeon dies would be good though.

Boydy
25-09-2015, 03:22 PM
That's a good idea. This was genuinely my outcome though:

http://i.imgur.com/ojfcJeY.png

I nominate Boydy (first nomination)

At least I included myself in my random number pick.

Ian
25-09-2015, 03:23 PM
Sturgeon replaces Corbyn as Burnham's target, no?

Demerit
25-09-2015, 03:28 PM
I nominate Pleb (first nomination)

For essentially being a Pleb, you pleb.

Toby
25-09-2015, 03:39 PM
At least I included myself in my random number pick.

Well I know I'm not guilty, perhaps the same can't be said for you.

Sir Andy Mahowry
25-09-2015, 04:28 PM
I nominate Magic (first nomination)

I believe this is his first game, might as well see how he copes with a bit of pressure at the start.

P_3
25-09-2015, 04:28 PM
Funnily enough I was thinking of creating a Werewolf edition of the General election. I wasn't keen on having my political knowledge shown up though and was unsure how to divide the parties, so that was a no-go for me. Thankfully the structure here does work and the roles sound good. Nice one Merse.

Vim
25-09-2015, 04:32 PM
Haven't played in so long that except for Panda I kind of forgot everyone's playing styles. Best to not nominate first round based on that.

Browning
25-09-2015, 04:33 PM
I love the idea that Toby should have included himself. What would he have done if it picked him? Are you even allowed to nominate yourself?

P_3
25-09-2015, 04:34 PM
https://i.gyazo.com/bb774d4d99b032c614653f257322376c.png

Used random.org for my randomisation and will be nominating the top person. Sorry Magic.

I nominate Magic (second nomination, first nomination by Mahow)

Pepe
25-09-2015, 04:36 PM
Bit off topic, but I love the idea of starting with a day phase. 'Nothing has happened but lets lynch someone before people start mysteriously murdering us at night.'

Vim
25-09-2015, 04:46 PM
Just out of curiousity, why does the game start with a nomination phase? Is it so that the wolves don't just get a free kill?

Pepe
25-09-2015, 04:49 PM
It makes no sense really due to what I just posted but whatever, lets get down to it.

Browning
25-09-2015, 04:56 PM
Where as when they kill someone at random before any one has posted much, it tells us so much.

Let's face it, in the more recent games we've still be stabbing in the dark at the end of the game, so I doubt it makes any difference.

niko_cee
25-09-2015, 04:58 PM
Doesn't it marginally favour the town to start the killing? Demerit trying to get early dibs on the Andrew Mitchell role by the looks of things.

Pepe
25-09-2015, 04:59 PM
Game wise it doesn't make much difference, true. Story wise a bit but it is no big deal.

Browning
25-09-2015, 05:00 PM
Yea, I just realised Pepe meant storyline wise, which I guess makes sense.

CJay
25-09-2015, 05:04 PM
Very good point, Pepe. :D

Lynch, lynch, lynch!

niko_cee
25-09-2015, 05:07 PM
As if an unprovoked political knifing has never taken place.

Boydy
25-09-2015, 05:09 PM
I love the idea that Toby should have included himself. What would he have done if it picked him? Are you even allowed to nominate yourself?

I was joking. :cab:

niko_cee
25-09-2015, 05:13 PM
"Should the Allies remove Corbyn from power, Nicola Sturgeon will become their next target as they seek to regain ground in Scotland."

How does this work? Are the allies here the allies of Burnham? Don't they win the game if they do this? Or is this a daft village lynch their leader contingency? Am I missing something?

Pleb
25-09-2015, 05:16 PM
I think it means that Sturgeon has only one day/night phase remaining after Corbyn's lynch before she gets herself automatically lynched even if she doesn't get herself nominated...or voted off for that matter.

niko_cee
25-09-2015, 05:20 PM
Really? It makes sense as a contingency against a game ending first lynch (ie we biff Jezza in this phase) it just doesn't read that way with the 'allies' bit. If it is Burnham and co, they win by 'killing' Corbyn, why would there be another phase?

Boydy
25-09-2015, 05:22 PM
I don't really know how it works. Most of the special roles just seem to be so-and-so knows who so-and-so is rather than any sort of powers.

Just nominate/second one and get on with it.

Toby
25-09-2015, 05:42 PM
Just out of curiousity, why does the game start with a nomination phase? Is it so that the wolves don't just get a free kill?


It makes no sense really due to what I just posted but whatever, lets get down to it.

In a game with a standard wolf kill/village kill, and an even number of players, starting on a village kill means you end on a village kill, which is a better ending than a wolf kill since that's a bit anticlimactic.

Story-wise it would make sense to have a fictional killing, but whatever, the stories are boring anyway.

Toby
25-09-2015, 05:46 PM
Wait, that's nonsense isn't it? Villagers going first mean you have a wolf kill at three left. Wolves going first is better. Fuck's sake, Merse.

Vim
25-09-2015, 05:54 PM
Fuck's sake, everyone who's ever ran Werewolf games.

I'll be on mobile from here on out tonight, I apologise in advance if I fail at formatting.

Jimmy Floyd
25-09-2015, 05:59 PM
Fuck's sake, everyone who's ever ran Werewolf games.

I'll be on mobile from here on out tonight, I apologise in advance if I fail at formatting.

Just quote someone who's done it previously and edit the necessary.

I'll be keeping my (white) powder dry in these nominations as we have nothing to go on.

The Merse
25-09-2015, 06:07 PM
Alright lads, what you've all been waiting for: question time!



Two things: Does that mean that whoever is Burnham is required to vote for the person that gets lynched or they don't get to kill that night? If so, that should start narrowing things down for us fairly quickly if we play it smart, mainly employing a 'spreading the votes' tactic. Wins by landslide will only hurt us.

Second, is this a Pleb style game where as soon as they eliminate Corbyn and whoever replaces him the mafia wins, or do they need to get rid of all the town? Seems like the former but just making sure.

Yep, that's right.

However - a) they can bluff and go for a no kill by not submitting a name.

b) they might have hit Corbyn, in which case they get his identity but not the kill (until they've weakened his support as per the OP)


The Allies of Burnham will win by offing Corbyn, but can only do so once they have crushed his powerbase. Once a night they can elect to kill a player, but they cannot kill Corbyn until seven or less of his friends remain.

c) they might have had their kill vetoed -


The Tories - Cameron & Boris Johnson
The Tories are unsure of their position in the post-Corbyn world. First they laughed, then they worried. The Tories cannot claim a victory under any circumstance, but will nominate and vote in the same manner as other players at their own discretion and know of each others identities. They also stick out like a sore thumb in this company. David Cameron will be informed of and can veto any Allies of Burnham elimination, once in the course of the game.

The Merse
25-09-2015, 06:12 PM
Bit off topic, but I love the idea of starting with a day phase. 'Nothing has happened but lets lynch someone before people start mysteriously murdering us at night.'

I had thought of this...

Thing is, in a traditional Werewolf the lynch is part of the story, in this one... It's not actually a lynching, so it's just an elimination with a story to go with it.

The Merse
25-09-2015, 06:16 PM
I believe so, Sturgeon takes the Burnham role if he dies.

Going to look at this properly after work and get a spreadsheet going

EDIT: Clarification on roles if Burnham dies then Sturgeon dies would be good though.

Burnham doesn't die until all the wolves die - his role transfers to another wolf player.

If Corbyn dies, for which to happen at over half of his supporters must've been eliminated, Sturgeon becomes the next target for Burnham and co.

Edit - unless Sturgeon is dead already.

The Merse
25-09-2015, 06:18 PM
One more: When Burnham is dead, will the requirement to vote for the lynched person be transferred to whoever replaces him?

Yep, because Burnham doesn't die until the last wolf does, his role is transferred to another wolf.

It's a narrative device, that's all.

The Merse
25-09-2015, 06:18 PM
Just out of curiousity, why does the game start with a nomination phase? Is it so that the wolves don't just get a free kill?

Yep.

Demerit
25-09-2015, 06:19 PM
Can't we just have a simple wolf vs villagers game for once...

Pleb
25-09-2015, 06:20 PM
I tried that and fucked up :D

The Merse
25-09-2015, 06:21 PM
"Should the Allies remove Corbyn from power, Nicola Sturgeon will become their next target as they seek to regain ground in Scotland."

How does this work? Are the allies here the allies of Burnham? Don't they win the game if they do this? Or is this a daft village lynch their leader contingency? Am I missing something?

The allies of Burnham are the Wolves, the friends of Corbyn are the village.

Yep - that's it really. The wolves must depleat Corbyns number drastically so they can't happen upon him by accident early on, whilst the Sturgeon thing is largely to stop the Town fucking up too (two chances are more than enough).

Ian
25-09-2015, 06:30 PM
Can't we just have a simple wolf vs villagers game for once...

Mine was.

That was probably fucking ages ago now.

Pleb
25-09-2015, 06:35 PM
Your werewolf game was pretty epic.

Ian
25-09-2015, 06:45 PM
I ballsed it up a bit but I enjoyed running it for the most part. Actually I probably now have the time to run another given I'm Monday to Friday and getting home by about 8pm at the latest most nights.

Hmm. We'll see how this one goes.

Pepe
25-09-2015, 06:45 PM
Yep, because Burnham doesn't die until the last wolf does, his role is transferred to another wolf.

It's a narrative device, that's all.

Ok. Makes some sense now.

It is really in the best interest of the villagers to spread the votes as much as possible. That way, based on what happens the next night, we should be able to narrow down who Burnham is fairly quickly. After one or two round we might even strategize a bit, asking certain people to vote for particular targets to test whether they're bad'uns or not.

I was thinking having 1v1s would be better but now I think it is best to have 3-4 targets and spread votes. If the wolves want to kill, they will need their boss to vote for the lynched person and the next day we will have few names to pick from. If they want to keep Burnham undercover then they'll have to forfeit their kill.

Browning
25-09-2015, 07:36 PM
Yea, that makes sense to me. The more candidates there are, the shorter the list of potential Burnham's should be.

If we get Burnham, will we be told, or will it just look like we got one of his understudies?

Pepe
25-09-2015, 07:46 PM
I think we'll get one of the others, as Merse has said that the role of Burnham will be transferred to someone else. I don't think he'll tell us 'he was Burnham but now he is x.'

Panda Bear
25-09-2015, 10:28 PM
Here is the list of players:
Ian
Hammer
Igor Balis
Panda
SVN
Byron
7OM
Boydy
Mahow
Vim
Pepe
Mazuurk
Matt
Jimmy Floyd
Browning
Niko_Cee
Cjay
P3
Magic
Demerit
Pleb
Toby

Now, if I know Merse (and I might), he's probably up and done something stupid like organizing the player list by role instead of by sign-up or alphabetical order. I sure as hell didn't sign up fourth, and the alphabet doesn't go I-H-I. With that in mind, obviously Ian through SVN are Burnham guys (including me), Byron is Corbyn, and 70M is Murdoch.

I nominate Ian (first nomination)

Browning
25-09-2015, 10:48 PM
The "Including me" makes that post.

7om
25-09-2015, 10:50 PM
Let's hear some defences please, chaps.

Panda Bear
25-09-2015, 11:12 PM
You can have defences in the first two rounds?

Toby
25-09-2015, 11:17 PM
Let's hear some defences please, chaps.

:D

"Relative to Microsoft Excel, Google Sheets has an enhanced proclivity toward multiples of four, therefore making it unsuitable for random generation of targets."

Pleb
25-09-2015, 11:23 PM
This must be Panda's first proper game then :D

Panda Bear
25-09-2015, 11:28 PM
Nah, I've had my fair share of legit games.

Panda Bear
25-09-2015, 11:28 PM
I mean, I haven't even nominated hfswjyr yet.

Pleb
26-09-2015, 10:42 AM
Well that was a meltdown if anything...

As 7om suggested we need defences. Demerit nominating me because I'm a Pleb is rather amusing.

Byron
26-09-2015, 10:43 AM
Defences :D

Well go on then Pleb, give us a defence.

Panda Bear
26-09-2015, 10:43 AM
wat

how was that a meltdown

Ian
26-09-2015, 10:52 AM
Yeah, let's just bin off the people we know will be active first. Randomness FTW.


Let's hear some defences please, chaps.

I'm not a wolf.

niko_cee
26-09-2015, 10:56 AM
How many jags have you got though?

Demerit
26-09-2015, 11:04 AM
I say kill Magic, the bloke hasn't even turned up yet.

The Merse
27-09-2015, 04:12 PM
Here is the list of players:
Ian
Hammer
Igor Balis
Panda
SVN
Byron
7OM
Boydy
Mahow
Vim
Pepe
Mazuurk
Matt
Jimmy Floyd
Browning
Niko_Cee
Cjay
P3
Magic
Demerit
Pleb
Toby

Now, if I know Merse (and I might), he's probably up and done something stupid like organizing the player list by role instead of by sign-up or alphabetical order. I sure as hell didn't sign up fourth, and the alphabet doesn't go I-H-I. With that in mind, obviously Ian through SVN are Burnham guys (including me), Byron is Corbyn, and 70M is Murdoch.

I nominate Ian (first nomination)

Shit.


Now you've pointed this out...

I've made it completely and utterly unplayable. As soon as a couple of folk get hit, particularly the wolves, it's going to be too obvious isn't it?

You're off on Murdoch but had Corbyn spot on.

Right, I'm out today/tonight so will need to get back on and re-send PM's tomorrow. Same rules, just re-randomising the roles.

Sorry for anyone that was looking to forward to their roles :(

Ok.

niko_cee
27-09-2015, 04:22 PM
:D

Dear lord. Hoping for a better role.

Sir Andy Mahowry
27-09-2015, 04:25 PM
Fucking hell.

Up there with Pepe's effort and Pleb assigning a 'kill this player and the wolves win the whole game' role.

Pleb
27-09-2015, 04:26 PM
Now I feel relieved :D

GS
27-09-2015, 04:27 PM
I would despair if it didn't cement my quite excellent reputation for not fucking these up.

Pleb
27-09-2015, 04:36 PM
Hoping for a better role now :moop:

P_3
27-09-2015, 04:43 PM
Merse. :D

Panda. :sherlock:

niko_cee
27-09-2015, 04:48 PM
The wolves must have been so gutted when they saw that list.

The Merse
27-09-2015, 05:11 PM
I would despair if it didn't cement my quite excellent reputation for not fucking these up.

When are you going to do your great swansong that you mentioned on the old board? I was looking forward to it...

Pepe
27-09-2015, 05:16 PM
Ffs. :face:

No biggie, we'll just restart.

Pleb
27-09-2015, 05:21 PM
Might as well keep to the current day/night phase. Makes sense.

Start it as soon as possible Merse.

Panda Bear
27-09-2015, 05:22 PM
But my brilliant cover admitting I may well be a wolf with that list was genius and would have saved us all.

Pleb
27-09-2015, 05:28 PM
To be fair I was going to nominate you anyway :sherlock:

Vim
27-09-2015, 05:32 PM
This is incredible. :D

GS
27-09-2015, 05:48 PM
When are you going to do your great swansong that you mentioned on the old board? I was looking forward to it...

I suspect never. There wasn't the buy-in for it to be worth the effort when we tried.

Demerit
27-09-2015, 07:54 PM
One slight issue, I was Boris and I know some things about the role which will make it obvious who gets it next time The Merse

Pleb
27-09-2015, 08:21 PM
Well this is going well :D

The Merse
27-09-2015, 08:32 PM
One slight issue, I was Boris and I know some things about the role which will make it obvious who gets it next time The Merse

Yep, I'll need to remove those bits.

Pleb
27-09-2015, 11:44 PM
I hope your sacking this off Merse :moop:

Ian
27-09-2015, 11:46 PM
He's already said we're starting again.

The Merse
28-09-2015, 12:00 AM
Yep. Don't trust myself to do so tonight as I'm rather well-oiled but will send out the PMs tomorrow night one I've finished working.

Byron
28-09-2015, 04:52 AM
But I was Corbyn. I WAS CORBYN!

Ian
28-09-2015, 07:43 AM
I was Burnham. We were about to don you, so think yourself lucky.

Spammer
28-09-2015, 08:05 AM
What?

I thought I was Burnham.

Edit: No, scrap that. I was Kate Hoey.

SvN
28-09-2015, 08:17 AM
I think it was the right thing to do. Rookie mistake from Merse, mind.

niko_cee
28-09-2015, 08:26 AM
What's the plan now then, a night start? I already miss my lavish union boss lifestyle.

Magic
28-09-2015, 09:11 AM
Hi guys what have I missed?

Mazuuurk
28-09-2015, 09:16 AM
OK this came in handy as I was gone all weekend and saw this just now.

Anyway, I understand fuck all from the opening posts, the names are all meaningless to me so this will be extremely hard to follow.

Could we do some sort of format where people have to apply the type of role associated with a name? I.e. let's say I think someone is this Burnham guy, I'll say "I think Panda is Burnham (Wolf) because I don't think he's Tom Watson (Villager) and I think Ian is Jeremy Corbyn (Seer) and he keeps going on about Panda being Burnham (Wolf)"

7om
28-09-2015, 12:08 PM
:facepalm:

The Merse
28-09-2015, 05:45 PM
Right PM's are being sent in the next hour. Well aware I'm not a particularly compelling writer, so I hope this does along with some compelling gameplay (the emphasis of the latter on you lot, obviously).

Jeremy Corbyn had yet to even sit on the front benches of the opposition when the knives were first drawn by his newly subordinate colleagues. He had known it was coming, it had all been so overt in the race for the leadership. Most of his potential charges with cabinet experience had refused the role under his stewardship and he knew, deep down, that the Labour Party called itself home to a raft of degenerate cunts. He needed to weed that element out. Not for himself, but for the party, for the people. He would talk of reconciling differences with the Blairites, of council for those he’d beaten in the race for the leadership, but he knew that attack was the only form of defence. Already his supporters were fervently looking to lynch anyone that might threaten their leader, their great doyen and saviour of working class ideals… But Corbyn was a wily old fox, unaccustomed to the limelight perhaps, but more than familiar with the shadows that enveloped everything outside of it.

For the party, for the people.

--------------------------------


‘Shtony’ ‘Tonyyy’

‘… Yes Andrew…?’

Andy Burnham is drunk.

Whisky and cigarettes hung in the air. It wasn’t like him, it didn’t suit him. He is a man to which drunken stupor hangs awkwardly, almost as awkwardly as revelry, or indeed any exaggerated loss of composure. This isn’t to say that Andy Burnham is the steely sort, as much as, well… boring?

‘Tony…’

‘Andrew, you’re upset. Let’s talk in the morning, when we can look at this as the opportunity it truly is’

‘Fucking Tony – don’t you leave me!’

Tony had gone. Andy Burnham was alone. As he'd always been...

------------------------------

It was with a trembling hand that Corbyn reached out to the one man he knew that could bring his foes to heel without any persecuting of the party sacrificing their own. But he was not a knight in shining armour, so much as the devil you know. It left a pit in the stomach, that felt like it might swallow his soul.

‘Jeremy, I’ve been looking forward to your call…’

‘Er… Yes, perhaps – hello Rupert’

The Merse
28-09-2015, 06:04 PM
It's day until tomorrow at 3pm. Sort out your nominations and get voting in the afternoon.

Relevant parties PM to me in line with your instructions.

Spammer
28-09-2015, 06:40 PM
I'm Carmel Nolan. If anyone wants to shout up claiming to be Carmel Nolan then do so, otherwise that's my proof that I'm not a wolf.

Toby
28-09-2015, 06:51 PM
I nominate Hammer (first nomination)

Collateral damage and that, we're better to knock off a known villager than to risk hitting somebody with an important role.

:baz:

Spammer
28-09-2015, 07:18 PM
Oh no you didn't...


I nominate Toby (first nomination)

That shit above explains itself right there :nono:

Sir Andy Mahowry
28-09-2015, 07:20 PM
I nominate Magic (first nomination)

Newbie, let's see how he does with a bit of pressure.

Demerit
28-09-2015, 07:38 PM
I nominate Magic (second nomination, first nomination by Mahow)

The twat never did respond to my PM when he was Cameron and I was Boris

Ian
28-09-2015, 07:40 PM
Magic is not a 'newbie.' He and Benny were partners in racist crime in some game or another.

So yeah, good work getting him nominated the big racist.

Sir Andy Mahowry
28-09-2015, 07:47 PM
I could have sworn he said he had never played in one of these games when signing up.

Magic
28-09-2015, 07:54 PM
I still have no idea what to do. Probably best to just vote me out.

Mazuuurk
28-09-2015, 08:44 PM
OK so we're "live" again now?

First of all, we should probably just nominate anyone going "I was X and Y in the previous game" as there's no actual way of proving that and it sort of ruins the game a bit. It also seems fucking daft to just announce that you're a villager, Hammer, if that's what you are. It's like running around screaming "I'm innocent" on a crime scene - it's just not a good idea mate.

Pepe
28-09-2015, 08:45 PM
Alright, same plan as before. Lets nominate four people and then spread the votes as evenly as possible.

Ian
28-09-2015, 08:50 PM
and it sort of ruins the game a bit.

Only if you believe everything everybody says.

Vim
28-09-2015, 08:53 PM
Alright, same plan as before. Lets nominate four people and then spread the votes as evenly as possible.

Why is that the best option? Just to try and ruffle as many feathers as possible or what? Give the wolves a double lynch possibility on the first round?

Toby
28-09-2015, 08:54 PM
OK so we're "live" again now?

First of all, we should probably just nominate anyone going "I was X and Y in the previous game" as there's no actual way of proving that and it sort of ruins the game a bit. It also seems fucking daft to just announce that you're a villager, Hammer, if that's what you are. It's like running around screaming "I'm innocent" on a crime scene - it's just not a good idea mate.

My smiley usage above probably makes it seem like I'm joking but, honestly, hitting a certain villager is about the best option at this stage of the game.

One in five chance of getting a baddy is better odds than usual, but there's also the big risk we hit Corbyn or one of the other useful role playing characters. The villagers are just there for numbers, and offing one at this stage is a pretty safe move in the absence of a no kill option.

Plus it's a dick move to just announce your role.

Pleb
28-09-2015, 08:56 PM
I nominate Hammer (second nomination, first nomination by Toby)

We need to speed things up slightly. Got two up for voting at the moment so that will do for now.

Mazuuurk
28-09-2015, 09:01 PM
Only if you believe everything everybody says.

Yes but, the only reason to not believe it is if someone would say "no, that was me", and at that point you could probably narrow it down to at least one of those being that role.



My smiley usage above probably makes it seem like I'm joking but, honestly, hitting a certain villager is about the best option at this stage of the game.

One in five chance of getting a baddy is better odds than usual, but there's also the big risk we hit Corbyn or one of the other useful role playing characters. The villagers are just there for numbers, and offing one at this stage is a pretty safe move in the absence of a no kill option.

Plus it's a dick move to just announce your role.

No I probably agree, I was merely pointing out that Hammer is acting a little dumb. Was a while since I played one of these so I'm a little out of the loop as what the general strategies are these days. Back last time I did it it was the Sherlock Holmes one I think.

P_3
28-09-2015, 09:01 PM
https://i.gyazo.com/5ffb15b3d02d471a677bdd81fe506682.png

I nominate Browning (first nomination)

Used random.org again. Sorry Browning.

Pepe
28-09-2015, 09:03 PM
Why is that the best option? Just to try and ruffle as many feathers as possible or what? Give the wolves a double lynch possibility on the first round?

Because if the wolves want to kill tonight, then their main man has to vote for whoever gets lynched. If we spread properly and they kill during the night, then we know we have a wolf within the 1/4 of the players that voted for the lynched man. They could hide their man by having him vote for someone who isn't lynched, which means he would be within the remaining 3/4, but then they are sacrificing their kill, which is also beneficial to us.

Toby
28-09-2015, 09:05 PM
Because if the wolves want to kill tonight, then their main man has to vote for whoever gets lynched. If we spread properly and they kill during the night, then we know we have a wolf within the 1/4 of the players that voted for the lynched man. They could hide their man by having him vote for someone who isn't lynched, which means he would be within the remaining 3/4, but then they are sacrificing their kill, which is also beneficial to us.

That's a pretty good strategy but, serious question, why stop at four?

Pepe
28-09-2015, 09:07 PM
I'm not sure what the best number is tbh. We just need something semi-manageable so we avoid unintentional multiple lynches.

Vim
28-09-2015, 09:08 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot about the kill-only-if-you-lynch rule. Gotta get used to playing with that.

The wolves are probably going to sacrifice the kill and hope that villagers just take each other out, at least in the first few rounds.

niko_cee
28-09-2015, 09:09 PM
Is a double lynch even possible with this Burnham has to vote for the one that dies thing? Does he just have to vote for one of them in a multiple situation?

Vim
28-09-2015, 09:10 PM
I guess they only have to vote for one of the co-lynched to get their kill?

Pepe
28-09-2015, 09:11 PM
Is a double lynch even possible with this Burnham has to vote for the one that dies thing? Does he just have to vote for one of them in a multiple situation?

Don't know, Merse will have to clarify.


Oh yeah, I forgot about the kill-only-if-you-lynch rule. Gotta get used to playing with that.

The wolves are probably going to sacrifice the kill and hope that villagers just take each other out, at least in the first few rounds.

Maybe. Still better for us than having to deal with lynched + night killed villagers.

Vim
28-09-2015, 09:15 PM
Well, it takes away the possibility of losing two villagers in one round, but I think it makes the wolves easier to hide. Not sure though.

Pepe
28-09-2015, 09:16 PM
We never have a single clue during the first days anyway. A night kill doesn't really tell us much until the first 1-2 wolves fall, a which point we can start looking at who voted for what.

The Merse
28-09-2015, 09:17 PM
Burnham only needs to vote for one of the lynchees in a double/tripe lynch scenario.

This was the main dynamic I was looking forward to seeing in action.

P_3
28-09-2015, 09:29 PM
Yer, no one is thick enough to orchestrate a double or triple lynch, so that isn't even worth discussing.

Mazuuurk
28-09-2015, 09:31 PM
I don't follow here. If we spread the votes evenly on several players won't we just end up lynching several people at once?

Or what happens if there's a tie?

niko_cee
28-09-2015, 09:35 PM
If there is a tie both die. But keeping things close to narrow the Burnham field doesn't mean you have to have an absolutely even split. Just keep clear of landslides.

Toby
28-09-2015, 09:37 PM
I don't follow here. If we spread the votes evenly on several players won't we just end up lynching several people at once?

Or what happens if there's a tie?

If it is done completely evenly yes. The idea would be to not to do that.

With five nominees it should be quite simple to have a "winning" total of seven or eight.

SvN
28-09-2015, 09:46 PM
I nominate Browning (second nomination, first by P_3)


No reason, just seconding the nomination.

SvN
28-09-2015, 09:50 PM
Hold on, has Hammer just announced his role away on day one? Surely that's an instant beheading.

The Merse
28-09-2015, 09:52 PM
Hold on, has Hammer just announced his role away on day one? Surely that's an instant beheading.

Read the rules. Punishments are also at the narrators' own discretion, mind.

Actually it's not in there this time.

Anyway, bluffing is allowed.

Mazuuurk
28-09-2015, 09:54 PM
If there is a tie both die. But keeping things close to narrow the Burnham field doesn't mean you have to have an absolutely even split. Just keep clear of landslides.


If it is done completely evenly yes. The idea would be to not to do that.

With five nominees it should be quite simple to have a "winning" total of seven or eight.


Ah right, gotcha.
What would happen if someone fails to vote?

Toby
28-09-2015, 09:57 PM
There's technically no rule against it, which seems like an oversight, since if we wanted to be dicks we could just have a pact that no villagers would vote at all...

SvN
28-09-2015, 10:01 PM
Okay, let's add it in now to prevent that happening. No idea if Merse was bluffing or not - it came across as a genuine tactical move to me, but I could be wrong.

The Merse
28-09-2015, 10:05 PM
There's technically no rule against it, which seems like an oversight, since if we wanted to be dicks we could just have a pact that no villagers would vote at all...

Doing that would invoke a narrators wrath.

The Merse
28-09-2015, 10:05 PM
Okay, let's add it in now to prevent that happening. No idea if Merse was bluffing or not - it came across as a genuine tactical move to me, but I could be wrong.

He's been told that was too overt one way or the other. Cast it from the mind and play on.

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 08:05 AM
Not overly sold on any of the seconded nominees so far, at least they seem to be people who are posting.


I nominate Matt (first nomination)

Must be about the only person to have said nothing at all.

Byron
29-09-2015, 08:10 AM
I nominate Matt (second nomination, first nomination by Niko Cee)

Yeah, get rid of the quiet lot first, that'll ensure Burnham and the wolves can't hide in the shadows.

Vim
29-09-2015, 08:24 AM
Who is Matt on the old board?

Boydy
29-09-2015, 08:51 AM
Matt.

Vim
29-09-2015, 08:59 AM
I don't remember him then. :D

Jimmy Floyd
29-09-2015, 09:06 AM
I nominate Browning (second nomination)

Just to get another name on the ballot, since the spreading out strategy seems bang on. Unless we're right mugs we should get a wolf in the first 2-3 rounds.

Matt
29-09-2015, 09:21 AM
There's not really a lot to say is there

Mazuuurk
29-09-2015, 09:26 AM
Merse, I don't quite understand this bit in the rules:


The Allies of Burnham will win by offing Corbyn, but can only do so once they have crushed his powerbase. Once a night they can elect to kill a player, but they cannot kill Corbyn until seven or less of his friends remain. Nonetheless, should they elect to eliminate him before then, they will learn his identity. In addition to this, Burnhams reliance on backing the winning horse at all times means that their ability to eliminate a player on any given night will depend on Burnham’s voting in that nights bye-election. Should Burnham fail to vote for the player(s) that attract the most votes, their elimination selection will be null and void. Should the Allies remove Corbyn from power, Nicola Sturgeon will become their next target as they seek to regain ground in Scotland.

Characters

Andy Burnham – reeling from his defeat, Burnham is set for revenge, but being a snivelling shitecunt, he plans on doing so without being detected. Should Burnham be sacked by the allies of Corbyn, his identity will switch to one of his own allies.

-----

Jeremy Corbyn
Corbyn is able to enquire as to the identity of one player a night. Corbyn knows the identity of Nicola Sturgeon, and may communicate with her freely. Should he be eliminated, she will be become Burnhams next target.

If I understand this correctly - it means:

- Should the wolves kill Corbyn right now, he won't die, but his identity will be revealed
- Should the wolves then kill 7 villagers, then they will simply know who to kill next (and thus win the game?)


But - what does this mean:

Should the Allies remove Corbyn from power, Nicola Sturgeon will become their next target as they seek to regain ground in Scotland.

- Does that mean if the Wolves do kill Corbyn, that Nicola Sturgeon will be the "new" target and the wolves have actually not won until they have killed both of these players?

or

- Does it mean that the Villagers have the right to "replace" Corbyn with Sturgeon at any time? And if so, would it then be announced by you in the thread somehow?

Toby
29-09-2015, 09:27 AM
Browning was already seconded by SvN, Jimmy Floyd. If you change it to me we'll have five up.

Mazuuurk
29-09-2015, 09:33 AM
Another question - If the Neutrals (Cameron & Boris Johnson) are indeed Neutral, why would they have the power to veto a kill?

Also, I don't understand whether this...

David Cameron will be informed of and can veto any Allies of Burnham elimination, once in the course of the game.

...means that they can Veto a villager getting eliminated by the wolves or a wolf getting eliminated by the villagers?

Jimmy Floyd
29-09-2015, 09:41 AM
I nominate Toby (second nomination)

As you were.

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 10:41 AM
This has the potential to be a right clusterfuck. Loads of suspicious activity already (although I have no idea why I find it suspicious). I guess Burnham is going to have to vote (or switch) quite late to ensure being on the right side. What do they say? Vote early, vote often?

Demerit
29-09-2015, 11:01 AM
Spreading the votes in certainly the best strategy.

In the early rounds it's actually in Burnham's best interests not to vote for the person lynched as it would narrow it down to potentially 4/5 posters.

Magic
29-09-2015, 11:04 AM
How can we lynch Toby? We'd need bridge suspension steel wire to make a noose big enough.

Toby
29-09-2015, 11:04 AM
Spreading the votes in certainly the best strategy.

In the early rounds it's actually in Burnham's best interests not to vote for the person lynched as it would narrow it down to potentially 4/5 posters.

It's just going to less and less favourable for him, surely? We'll know if he hasn't voted, as the 'wolves' won't get a kill. So we'll be able to write off those people as at least not being Burnham. Then he'll have to vote at some stage and we'll have plenty to work with if we keep spreading the votes in future rounds too.

CJay
29-09-2015, 11:05 AM
I'm a bit lost here, but hopefully I'll work it out as we go along. We have Toby, Browning, Matt, Magic and Hammer. Is that it?

Toby
29-09-2015, 11:06 AM
I'm a bit lost here, but hopefully I'll work it out as we go along. We have Toby, Browning, Matt, Magic and Hammer. Is that it?

Yeah.

Hammer, nominated by Toby and seconded by Pleb
Toby, nominated by Hammer and seconded by Jimmy Floyd
Magic, nominated by Mahow and seconded by Demerit
Browning, nominated by P_3 and seconded by SvN
Matt, nominated by niko_cee and seconded by Byron

A sixth nomination wouldn't be the worst thing but five is probably plenty.

Sir Andy Mahowry
29-09-2015, 11:11 AM
I think it's going to be a breeze finding out who Burnham is after the second day.

Let's get a load up, spread the votes and we'll have him.

CJay
29-09-2015, 11:15 AM
Aye, if he isn't in the majority then there is no night kill, right? And if there is a night kill he'll be one of, say, 6 or 7 people? Sounds easy, just need to keep a good spread.

SvN
29-09-2015, 11:29 AM
Are we leaving nominations open until 3, or shall we start voting early?

Boydy
29-09-2015, 11:38 AM
I appreciate Merse has gone to quite a lot of effort with this but it does seem a bit convoluted.

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 11:50 AM
It seems like a good dynamic, although I can see why you might not like it if you were, say, a Burnham person. The fact that he has to vote for the winning candidate to get a night kill seems quite a burden, especially considering that role transfers (and presumably takes the requirement with it). Is 5/22 more wolves than a normal game or does it even out with the insta-win possibilities? It makes the early game more interesting than usual, on the face of it.

Mazuuurk
29-09-2015, 12:01 PM
The Allies of Burnham will win by offing Corbyn, but can only do so once they have crushed his powerbase. Once a night they can elect to kill a player, but they cannot kill Corbyn until seven or less of his friends remain. Nonetheless, should they elect to eliminate him before then, they will learn his identity. In addition to this, Burnhams reliance on backing the winning horse at all times means that their ability to eliminate a player on any given night will depend on Burnham’s voting in that nights bye-election. Should Burnham fail to vote for the player(s) that attract the most votes, their elimination selection will be null and void. Should the Allies remove Corbyn from power, Nicola Sturgeon will become their next target as they seek to regain ground in Scotland.

The way I interpret that is that Burnham has to vote for whoever is getting Lynched for that person to die. But it doesn't affect whoever the Burnham & the Wolves do decide to kill during the night phase? But I see how it could also mean he has to Vote for whoever ends up Dying for the Wolves to be able to conduct a kill at all.

Seriously, I'm fucking confused about the rules here.

Merse - sort it out mate.

Toby
29-09-2015, 12:05 PM
No, Burnham has to vote for the person being lynched, or the 'wolves' aren't allowed to kill anybody in the night phase. It's really not that complicated.

Sir Andy Mahowry
29-09-2015, 12:09 PM
Go eat a loaf of toast, Maz.

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 12:10 PM
I thought the same as Maz until I re-read it a few times.

Demerit
29-09-2015, 12:10 PM
It's just going to less and less favourable for him, surely? We'll know if he hasn't voted, as the 'wolves' won't get a kill. So we'll be able to write off those people as at least not being Burnham. Then he'll have to vote at some stage and we'll have plenty to work with if we keep spreading the votes in future rounds too.

Yeah I agree we should keep spreading the votes.

This rule is massively in the village's favour, if we don't find him by round 4 or atleast have it narrowed down to a couple of people we've fucked up.

Not that I'm complaining mind :sherlock:

Ian
29-09-2015, 12:12 PM
I like that there's an assumption that people are just going to spread the votes evenly, get Burnham & Co lynched promptly and be home in time for tea.

You've all played this game before and seen the cat-herding exercise that is trying to arrange strategic voting, right?

Boydy
29-09-2015, 12:13 PM
So if the village get Burnham it's all over? Do we not have to kill the other wolves too?

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 12:14 PM
Quintuple lynch eroding the powerbase before a night 1 hit on Corbyn by the wolves.

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 12:15 PM
So if the village get Burnham it's all over? Do we not have to kill the other wolves too?

Burnham never dies (until all of his mates have gone) even if he gets lynched. He just throws one under the bus. I don't think we get to know if this happens or not.

The user dies, but the role transfers, no?

Mazuuurk
29-09-2015, 12:23 PM
Fuck you, it's really hard to grasp the rules when you have to fucking go back and re-read who all of these twats actually are. It's taken me until now to get used to the fact that this Burnham fellow is a wolf, I keep having to double-check who's who and who's good and bad.


EDIT: Mahow

Byron
29-09-2015, 12:24 PM
That's how I read it.

To be fair I like this. The recent werewolves games have made it far too easy for the wolves as we have nothing to go on on the first few rounds by which point panic sets in.

We're also assuming that the wolves are going to want to ensure a kill every round which isn't guaranteed. If they get Burnham to vote for a loser, then it's easier to hide him.

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 12:29 PM
The wolves need the kills to win. The field will narrow even if Burnham's on the wrong side of the vote, as there will be a no-kill. The only possible problem with this would be if the no-kill was due to a hit on Corbyn and this wasn't apparent in the write-up. That would be a major ball ache.

Sir Andy Mahowry
29-09-2015, 12:29 PM
Fuck you, it's really hard to grasp the rules when you have to fucking go back and re-read who all of these twats actually are. It's taken me until now to get used to the fact that this Burnham fellow is a wolf, I keep having to double-check who's who and who's good and bad.


EDIT: Mahow
You think I have any idea about who these chumps are? I can't think of anything worse in life than politics.

Vim
29-09-2015, 12:34 PM
I feel like there's just more and more I don't understand.

Pepe
29-09-2015, 12:36 PM
I like that there's an assumption that people are just going to spread the votes evenly, get Burnham & Co lynched promptly and be home in time for tea.

You've all played this game before and seen the cat-herding exercise that is trying to arrange strategic voting, right?

It's definitely not going to work out smoothly but even if the numbers aren't perfect, it is still a matter of forcing Burnham into a small pile of voters if they want a night kill. But yes, I am already looking forward to the lulz caused by the town completely fucking it up.


So if the village get Burnham it's all over? Do we not have to kill the other wolves too?


Burnham never dies (until all of his mates have gone) even if he gets lynched. He just throws one under the bus. I don't think we get to know if this happens or not.

The user dies, but the role transfers, no?

That is correct.

Toby
29-09-2015, 12:37 PM
We're also assuming that the wolves are going to want to ensure a kill every round which isn't guaranteed. If they get Burnham to vote for a loser, then it's easier to hide him.

For now, but it'll just narrow it down even further when he does eventually vote.

If he doesn't vote for the lynchee tonight, we need all the villagers who voted for said lynchee to vote together again, and so on.

Vim
29-09-2015, 12:37 PM
Burnham never dies (until all of his mates have gone) even if he gets lynched. He just throws one under the bus. I don't think we get to know if this happens or not.

The user dies, but the role transfers, no?

This kind of confuses me too. If Burnham is lynched, then will the story say that Burnham has died, or will the user who is Burnham take on the identity of another wolf in the story?

Pepe
29-09-2015, 12:38 PM
Read the rules if you don't understand, they are not that complicated. If there is something that isn't very clear, then ask. I did so in page one as most of you lazy fuckers should have done instead of waiting five days and then crying because you don't get it.

Pepe
29-09-2015, 12:40 PM
Burnham doesn't die until all the wolves die - his role transfers to another wolf player.


Yep, because Burnham doesn't die until the last wolf does, his role is transferred to another wolf.

It's a narrative device, that's all.

There you go. We will never know whether the person we lynched was actually Burnham or we just got lucky with another. Will make the vote tallying trickier than what it might look like at first glance.

Vim
29-09-2015, 12:42 PM
Yeah, but what I'm asking is, in the death story will it just say that the person who was Burnham was in fact another wolf?

I read the rules and I'm asking now because some of the stuff that I thought was clear instead turned out to be a bit confusing. Nothing wrong with that.

Mazuuurk
29-09-2015, 12:47 PM
Yeah can you stop being cunts about us forriners not getting the rules here lads. Pepe stop trying to act clever motherfucker.

I've re-read the opening post like 5 times but there's like narrative mixed in with rules there and I'm still struggling to identify all the individual rules. Anyway, I think I've got it now.

Pepe
29-09-2015, 12:51 PM
Yeah, but what I'm asking is, in the death story will it just say that the person who was Burnham was in fact another wolf?

We will be told it was another wolf.

Pepe
29-09-2015, 12:52 PM
Yeah can you stop being cunts about us forriners not getting the rules here lads. Pepe stop trying to act clever motherfucker.

I've re-read the opening post like 5 times but there's like narrative mixed in with rules there and I'm still struggling to identify all the individual rules. Anyway, I think I've got it now.

Some times it is hard to fully grasp some of the rules, especially those involving the minor roles. It will be more clear as we move along, time to go sharpen our machetes.

Magic
29-09-2015, 01:18 PM
I nominate PLEB.

Because the opening post is TL;dr.

Toby
29-09-2015, 01:19 PM
I've been nominated already you idiot.

Magic
29-09-2015, 01:20 PM
So? I see people with more than one nomination? This game is stupid.

Toby
29-09-2015, 01:21 PM
Two nominations puts you on the ballot, any further does nothing. I've already received two. It's all in the opening post.

Magic
29-09-2015, 01:22 PM
:D

Fucking hell. I haven't read the opening post in absolute fairness to me.

Mazuuurk
29-09-2015, 01:24 PM
Didn't you say you had played this before?

I should probably not be throwing spears at brick houses, mind you.

Vim
29-09-2015, 01:25 PM
Magic knows how to nominate, he's just playing dumb. :sherlock:

Magic
29-09-2015, 01:27 PM
Didn't you say you had played this before?

I should probably not be throwing spears at brick houses, mind you.

I think so, the racism thing rings a bell but it was ultimately a tragic display as I didn't read the rules back then either and was voting purely on skin colour. I might actually change my vote to Vim, he's a shade too dark to be trustworthy imo.

Vim
29-09-2015, 01:29 PM
I wish I was a bit darker actually. Mind you, I'm probably sub-saharan compared to Brits.

SvN
29-09-2015, 01:33 PM
There's not a chance that wasn't bullshit from Magic. He's played before, hasn't he?

Toby
29-09-2015, 01:34 PM
Hammer, nominated by Toby and seconded by Pleb
Toby, nominated by Hammer and seconded by Jimmy Floyd
Magic, nominated by Mahow and seconded by Demerit
Browning, nominated by P_3 and seconded by SvN
Matt, nominated by niko_cee and seconded by Byron

Twenty-five minutes if anybody wants to second Pleb. Don't think there's any other open ones, unless I've missed one.

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 01:48 PM
There must be some kind of character specific instructions at play with some of this denseness.

Magic
29-09-2015, 01:52 PM
Merse should have done a homosexual sailor themed TTH Werewolf instead.

7om
29-09-2015, 02:22 PM
I don't see the point in making it six up for nomination. It'll just become a shit fest.

Toby
29-09-2015, 02:27 PM
Nominations are closed anyway.


Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

Pepe
29-09-2015, 02:37 PM
Alright lads, we all know what to do, right? Right?

Toby
29-09-2015, 02:40 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

I'll stick with my nomination. He claims he's a villager, and I'd rather kill a villager than Corbyn or Murdoch.

Magic
29-09-2015, 02:42 PM
How do we vote?

Pepe
29-09-2015, 02:49 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

Because he is a twat and he apparently can't even read the rules. Will be a distraction more than anything. Also, he is a twat.

Hammer 1
Toby 0
Magic 1
Browning 0
Matt 0

7om
29-09-2015, 02:50 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

Keeping the votes spread thinly will narrow down Burnham assuming the wolves decide to follow the rules and get their kill tonight. No reason for Matt, just random.

1-0-1-0-1

Magic
29-09-2015, 02:53 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt





Is Matt even a poster? fuck him.

SvN
29-09-2015, 02:57 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt


Yeah sorry bro, it's a dice roll at this stage and your "Lol I don't know the rules" post was just weird.

Magic
29-09-2015, 02:58 PM
I'm actually honoured you don't believe in my stupidity. Why can't real life be more like this? :(

Pepe
29-09-2015, 02:58 PM
1-0-2-0-2 now

Keep it tight boys.

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 03:06 PM
Hmmm, tricky. I nominated Matt, but don't want to start a proto-bandwagon on him. Magic's a div, but the same applies. If I go Hammer then do we risk it becoming a 3 horse race? Is that a bad thing? I'm not overly bothered about voting for Toby or Browning as they generally seem good sorts. An early (ish) vote is probably a good defence against 'being Burnham', but then maybe it's a good place to hide if you're one of his accomplices. Decisions decisions.

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 03:08 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

Less posts than Toby.

Browning
29-09-2015, 03:09 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

Need to catch up properly with the thread, not been on since we restarted and only skimmed it. But this is for 2 reasons. 1) Keeping it close and 2) He owned me last game.

Toby
29-09-2015, 03:10 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

Need to catch up properly with the thread, not been on since we restarted and only skimmed it. But this is for 2 reasons. 1) Keeping it close and 2) He owned me last game.

I don't remember what this is referring to. What happened?

Panda Bear
29-09-2015, 03:14 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

Browning
29-09-2015, 03:14 PM
At least twice (probably more) in the game I posted saying either you or someone else was a Wolf, but never actually followed through with offing you as you kept doing just enough to divert my suspicion. When we found out who the wolves were I was kicking myself because I really should have got you.

Granted it was just you playing the game brilliantly, but still.

Matt
29-09-2015, 03:15 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

I think Toby and Browning will be of more use contribution wise going forward and Magic will at least keep things entertaining

Browning
29-09-2015, 03:21 PM
So 3-1-2-1-2.

I'm all for this keeping it close strategy, but we can't afford to let Burnham hide behind a double lynch. Let's not fuck this up.

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 03:23 PM
This is going to be comical. Mass last minute vote switching.

Boydy
29-09-2015, 03:28 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

Keeping it tight.

Pleb
29-09-2015, 03:29 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

Spreading the votes and stuff. Early round votes tends to throw up nothing. What's with my nomination then Tragic? :cab:

Well fuck...3-1-2-3-2 then.

P_3
29-09-2015, 03:30 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

Going to stick with my nomination. Was unlucky enough to be chosen by random.org.

7om
29-09-2015, 03:31 PM
Quintuple lynch :drool:

Sir Andy Mahowry
29-09-2015, 03:34 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt



3-2-2-4-2

I'd like to vote for Magic, especially after his 'lol what do I do' shit, but we need to keep this tight.

Panda Bear
29-09-2015, 03:35 PM
Browning's at four.

3-1-2-4-2.

Toby
29-09-2015, 03:42 PM
At least twice (probably more) in the game I posted saying either you or someone else was a Wolf, but never actually followed through with offing you as you kept doing just enough to divert my suspicion. When we found out who the wolves were I was kicking myself because I really should have got you.

Granted it was just you playing the game brilliantly, but still.

Man, I'd almost completely forgotten that game even happened, which is weird since I got to end it like this (http://thedugout.tv/community/showpost.php?p=4396701&postcount=706).

Don't kill Browning you twats.

6 is the lynching total, no more votes for him, pile a few on me and start thinking about who you actually want to kill.

CJay
29-09-2015, 03:52 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt



Because reasons.

Sir Andy Mahowry
29-09-2015, 04:00 PM
3-2-2-4-3 is what I have it at right now.

Byron
29-09-2015, 04:00 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt

He did ask for some votes on him after all.

3-3-2-4-3

igor_balis
29-09-2015, 04:02 PM
Hammer - Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt



Random number generator, sorry Hammer.

4-3-2-4-3

SvN
29-09-2015, 04:06 PM
Whatever happens, we can't let this end up in a double or triple lynch. It immediately worsens the odds for us, unless we strike lucky with a wolf.

Toby
29-09-2015, 04:20 PM
Ian, Hammer, Vim, Mazuuurk, Jimmy Floyd and Demerit still to vote.

7om
29-09-2015, 04:23 PM
Whatever happens, we can't let this end up in a double or triple lynch. It immediately worsens the odds for us, unless we strike lucky with a wolf.

With 22 players and 5 wolves the chances are we've got one in there.

Spammer
29-09-2015, 04:26 PM
Hammer- Toby - Magic - Browning - Matt



4-3-2-4-4

I've already explained, using logic, how I'm not a wolf, but whevs.

niko_cee
29-09-2015, 04:28 PM
Nice vote fail Hammer.

Hark at bossy Toby.

Spammer
29-09-2015, 04:29 PM
Ffs I've tried fixing it and made it worse.

I vote Matt.