TTH WEREWOLF House of Cards - The Rise of Burnham

[Boydy]

Go on then, who's the wolf genius?

You.

[Demerit]

Nominate and vote for me then and I expect a formal written apology afterwards.

Moving on, the stupid abstaining thing has fucked this up royally. Did he abstain or not vote for SvN?

[The Merse]

Or did he fall asleep and miss the deadline?

It's not that easy.

[P_3]

OK. We have Boydy (didn't vote, didn't get night kill) - P_3, Panda, Pleb, Demerit (voted SvN, abstained from night kill). With Browning, Igor, Toby and Vim safe. Law of averages says Burnham is one of the four and Boydy is safe.

Could someone try and make sense of the clues? The only one I got was the one for Mahow. It does however sound like Murdoch may have just found Burnham.

[SvN]

Seething.

[Panda Bear]

OK. We have Boydy (didn't vote, didn't get night kill) - P_3, Panda, Pleb, Demerit (voted SvN, abstained from night kill). With Browning, Igor, Toby and Vim safe. Law of averages says Burnham is one of the four and Boydy is safe.

Could someone try and make sense of the clues? The only one I got was the one for Mahow. It does however sound like Murdoch may have just found Burnham.Sorry, but why is Browning safe? He wasn't on the list given by Byron, and Burnham got a free kill the other night.

[Vim]

Police investigating leads search Burnham and Murdoch homes

Police were last night searching the London residences of Andy Burnham and Rupert Murdoch following leads gained from the arrest of Diane Abbott.

The Met are yet to comment further, but were seen with evidence bags containing a pen and a bra and an ASDA bag.

What do you think that bold part could be alluding to? Also does this mean that Murdoch knows Burnham's identity now?

[Browning]

Sorry, but why is Browning safe? He wasn't on the list given by Byron, and Burnham got a free kill the other night.

Yea, I was wondering that too. That last phase didn't teach us anything as there was no kill.

[Toby]

Pen + bra + Asda
Penbraasda
Panda Bear (s)

[Toby]

I don't know if that means he's Burnham or Murdoch, but presumably it means he's one of them. A 50:50 shot is probably better than anything else we have at this point, so:


I nominate Panda Bear (first nomination)

[Panda Bear]

That'd be worth a lot more if it weren't a Murdoch.

There is a total of 9 players remaining:
Boydy
Browning
Demerit
P_3
Panda
Pleb
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Igor--Innocent
Toby--Innocent
Vim--Innocent

There were a total of six votes for SvN last round, and no night kill was processed.

In my defence, since I need one now:
1) If I were Burnham, I would have to be extremely aggressive to try and survive the 8:1 ratio showing at the end of last round. I would have gone for a night kill because the potential Burnham possibilities would have been between me, Demerit, P_3, and Pleb.
2) I would have killed an innocent, which would have brought this round to a total of eight people. Browning and Boydy would be cleared as innocent.
3) The number of rounds left in the game would mean that all I would have to do is play an aggressive game, convince the innocent that I wasn't the guilty one of the four, set up the three others for lynches, and use the paired night kills to whittle down three more, which would have left me doing a 1v1--aka, a wolf win.

It's more than a bit of a stretch that it would have worked, but that's the only way I could viably see a wolf winning. I listed two other scenarios earlier too (http://www.thethirdhalf.co.uk/showthread.php?161-TTH-WEREWOLF-House-of-Cards-The-Rise-of-Burnham&p=13236&viewfull=1#post13236). The wolf had to have killed last night if he were to have a better chance of sneaking through the game. As we can see, though, there wasn't a night kill.

Basically, a Panda-Burnham would have been playing the game differently.

[Panda Bear]

OK. We have Boydy (didn't vote, didn't get night kill) - P_3, Panda, Pleb, Demerit (voted SvN, abstained from night kill). With Browning, Igor, Toby and Vim safe. Law of averages says Burnham is one of the four and Boydy is safe.

Could someone try and make sense of the clues? The only one I got was the one for Mahow. It does however sound like Murdoch may have just found Burnham.


I nominate Demerit (first nomination)

Demerit's been organizing how people vote. His logic has made sense on the surface for the past few rounds because he's been referencing the early- to mid-game, but the terms of engagement have moved on from the contain-and-vote strategy. Since he's been influential in doing so, he's also been influential in diverting attention from himself.

(I'm not actually nominating Pleb.)

[Demerit]

Or did he fall asleep and miss the deadline?

It's not that easy.

This could also be a clue for Panda, if people know his history

[Vim]

I nominate Panda Bear (second nomination)

Because if he's either Burnham or Murdoch, I have the feeling he's Burnham.

[Demerit]

Couple of hours left, not sure who to nominate, any ideas people?

[Vim]

Panda's all we need. Just second yourself. :D

[Demerit]

I actually will if it gets to 3pm

[Demerit]

I nominate Demerit (second nomination, first nomination by Panda Bear)

Would rather that than give Burnham a free kill tonight

[Vim]

Dont worry if Panda is either Murdoch or Burnham then I am 100% sure he is Burnham.

I'm on mobile, I cast a vote for Panda I'll format later.

EDIT:


Panda - Demerit

[Panda Bear]

"He'll use his media empire to publicly 'investigate' one player per turn, but given that his media empire is run by a bunch of lying bastards, the results of the enquiry aren't always to be trusted."

You people do realize that I may be neither Burnham or Murdoch, right? Just because the anagram was easy to solve (Merse even wrote "and a" twice, which rhymes with Panda), that doesn't mean it's correct. Toby saying that I must be one or the other doesn't make it true given the Murdoch clause.

If all you people are going on is this latest "clue" instead of analysing voting patterns, behaviours, arguments, and winning scenarios (like the three that I've provided), then good luck to the village having any hope winning this beyond blind luck.

[Panda Bear]

Panda - Demerit


May as well one-up Niko and get my SvN seethe out of the way.

See you all at two.

[Toby]

But you were already in the ever-decreasing pool of players that we still have reason to be suspicious of, so it's not like that clue has gone against our previous thoughts or brought a new suspect into the fold. People had already been nominating you.

It's a fair point that the investigation could be false, so I accept it was sloppy to say you 'must' be one of them or that it's a 50:50 choice, but I see more reason to act on that than other suspicions. Your suspicion of Demerit is just a 'soft' inkling and not really based on anything that stands out. Your rationale for what you'd have done if you were Burnham is interesting but equally makes it look like you thought that through and opted for a bluff rather than the 'obvious' aggressive route.

EDIT: If we trust Vim, and I see no reason we shouldn't, then we're again on a 50:50 chance - in this case whether the investigation is truthful or not.

[Toby]

Panda - Demerit

[Boydy]

Panda - Demerit

[Panda Bear]

It's a fair point that the investigation could be false, so I accept it was sloppy to say you 'must' be one of them or that it's a 50:50 choice, but I see more reason to act on that than other suspicions. Your suspicion of Demerit is just a 'soft' inkling and not really based on anything that stands out. Your rationale for what you'd have done if you were Burnham is interesting but equally makes it look like you thought that through and opted for a bluff rather than the 'obvious' aggressive route.
Damn right it was sloppy.

I thought out three scenarios, all of which are basically hopeless for Burnham. Bluffing never works in werewolf on this board unless it's some crazy kind of quintuple bluff, i.e. bluffing is a shit strategy. All it is is direct and redirect attention spans, which is what Demerit does.

[Panda Bear]

Anyway, I'm going to sit the rest of this out.

[Demerit]

Well everyone pick which one of us it is, then make sure it's at least 6 votes for whoever you choose.

[P_3]

Sorry, but why is Browning safe? He wasn't on the list given by Byron, and Burnham got a free kill the other night.
I'm using the logic that during Phase 3, we had both 7om and Maz voting for Hammer. Browning also voted for Hammer, meaning that if he was a wolf, the wolves would have had 3 wolves sitting on Hammer, when it would have been best to split it up between the other two lynchees, Mahow and Pepe. I'm convinced he is safe.

[SvN]

Shame you didn't use that logic when throwing my accusations my way, dickhead.

[P_3]

Panda - Demerit


I'm a little uncertain about the simplicity of that clue. Only on the basis that I've made up my mind that Panda is a certain role. As Merse wouldn't purposefully lead us to that role, I'm happy enough to vote for him. Adios Panda. You have played really well if you are the last wolf. You should be proud of yourself. :thbup:

[Pleb]

Panda - Demerit

Landslide. Keep it that way.

[igor_balis]

Panda - Demerit


why not

[Browning]

As we've got 7 voters, I won't bother.

[Toby]

I was going to say Panda could switch from himself to Demerit and take the gap back down to 5, then I realised that would only make a difference if he were a spiteful villager.

...maybe you should vote.

[Browning]

Isn't it a total rather than a majority of? Even 6-1 would not give Burnham a free kill, in my understanding.

If it does, then I'll vote.

[Toby]

I took it to be a difference of 5 votes but it's not very clear.

The post above is a joke, it doesn't make a difference at this point.

[Demerit]

Not going to vote in case Panda isn't Burnham and there's a night kill tonight and that will clear my name.

[Panda Bear]

Uh, voting is closed?

Unless you guys want to switch, naturally.

[Pleb]

Merse must be drunk again :sherlock:

[The Merse]

Merse must be drunk again :sherlock:

Nope - again had an issue to attend to until about 8pm then fell asleep - it's been a long and arduous week!

Jeremy Corbyn sat alone in his cell. He had tried to ignore the outside world ever since his incarceration, but some events had proved hard to ignore.

Banisters were beaten, screams and shouts echoed through the hall. In came fresh meat. Corbyn wasn’t partial to such tribalism, preferring instead to peer out upon those unfortunate enough to join him, regardless of the crime, this was no place to wish upon your fellow man.

Nicola Sturgeon was in a conflicted mood. Reflecting on recent events, she was pleased to know that Corbyn’s removal from the political sphere had further increased support for her party, but she was perhaps the most principled of all in this tale, and the cost of the strengthening of her position saddened her deeply. Her morose contemplation was soon interrupted, by a knocking at her door.

Corbyn found his morning shower to be of great comfort. Only here, even when surrounded by others, could he truly switch off and remind himself of his life outside. Closing his eyes to let the water roll over his face, he blocked out the horror of his new found existence. A strange sharp pain suddenly hit him, in his lower back, then again a little higher, and again. The water at his feet turned red. One of the new inmates had made his move to establish dominance, and Corbyn was his victim. A fit of rage came over Corbyn, perhaps it would only have occurred here – the interruption of his sanctuary that was so precious having brought out some deep, dark rage that had otherwise remained out of sight. He grabbed the shank, a crude effort of a toothbrush and razor combination, his hand ripping with the razor, and began to strike his opponent with his free hand.

The visitor sighed. His task gave him no pleasure.

After some stammering, he delivered his message: Jeremy Corbyn had been attacked and was in intensive care, fighting for his life.

His assailant was dead.

His assailant, Andy Burnham.

Panda Bear was Andy Burnham.

Nicola Sturgeon and the Friends of Corbyn had taken some small victory, in the messy tale of loss and corruption.


Tony?

Yes, Andy?

Tony, am I in heaven?

…

Tony?

Tony?

…

[Pepe]

So is it over?

The town. :cool:

Really enjoyed it while alive Merse, top effort.

[The Merse]

Honest to fucking god Panda, you had a couple of turns to bump off Sturgeon based on obvious clues and missed them completely, hence the anagram in the last Murdoch story... I didn't want to completely give it away, but it was really just evening things up.

Full players list

Andy Burnham Panda Bear
Kate Hoey Matt
John Prescott Jimmy Floyd
Michael Meecher 7OM
Andrew Gwynne Mazuurk
Jeremy Corbyn Byron
Diane Abbot SVN
John McDonnell Niko_cee
Ken Livingstone Pepe
Len McLuskey Boydy
Richard Burgon Browning
Simon Fletcher Cjay
Tom Watson Ian
Clive Lewis Demerit
Cat Smith P3
Carmel Nolan Hammer
Rupert Murdoch Vim
Kat Fletcher Matt
David Cameron Toby
Boris Johnson Mahow
Nicola Sturgeon Igor Balis
Nigel Farage Pleb

[Panda Bear]

I got done in by a fucking anagram featuring "and a" between the words. :panda:

Merse, I have an awful admission: in my entire history of playing Werewolf with the TTH community, I have probably read a grand total of four write ups. I mean, I don't even read award-winning, published fiction recommended to me by close personal friends. I just skip through everything to see who dies. I only read your latest Murdoch newsflash because it started with a big bold red title. :(

So when it comes to clues, hints and other puzzles within Werewolf stories, I don't even encounter them. All my interest is in player actions.

[Pepe]

:D

[The Merse]

I got done in by a fucking anagram featuring "and a" between the words. :panda:

Merse, I have an awful admission: in my entire history of playing Werewolf with the TTH community, I have probably read a grand total of four write ups. I mean, I don't even read award-winning, published fiction recommended to me by close personal friends. I just skip through everything to see who dies. I only read your latest Murdoch newsflash because it started with a big bold red title. :(

So when it comes to clues, hints and other puzzles within Werewolf stories, I don't even encounter them. All my interest is in player actions.

I'm guilty of playing games like that before too, though I loved Byrons one and GS's Les Mis one for the write ups, others I skip through a bit (as this one would!).

But the Murdoch one's were bloody clues though Panda and the whole point of having an innacurate seer go public is that is was as dangerous to the seers cause if happening on the wrong person as it was beneficial.

Basically, a former premiership footballer mentioned along with SNP news meant one of three players might be Sturgeon - Jimmy, Igor or Demerit.

It was Igor. Jimmy having been dead for about 4 nights and a wolf, meant had you identified it, you'd have been able to take a couple of swings at least.

Ian - Tom Watson, wolf kill night 5
Hammer - Carmel Nolan - lynched night 1, resurrected night 2, lynched night 3
Igor Balis
Panda - Andy Burnham, lynched night 10
SVN - Diane Abbott lynched night 9
Byron - Jeremy Corbyn - Wolf kill night 6
7OM - Michael Meecher (wolf) - Lynched night 6
Boydy
Mahow - Boris Johnson, wolf kill night 7
Vim
Pepe - Ken Livingstone - Wolf kill Night 3
Mazuurk - Andrew Gwynne (wolf) - Lynched night 4
Matt - Kat Fletcher - Wolf kill night 1 *** Kate Hoey (wolf) - sniper kill night 6
Jimmy Floyd - John Prescott (wolf) - Lynched night 2
Browning
Niko_Cee John McDonnell - Lynched night 5
Cjay - Simon Fletcher, lynched night 7
P3
Magic (replaced by Matt, Day 3) - wolf
Demerit
Pleb
Toby

[Panda Bear]

With that said, thank you for running this edition of TTH Werewolf. It was really appreciated, and from what I've heard from others, you had interesting write ups. Toby was praising the open-ended nature of the earlier ones when we were talking about it earlier.

[The Merse]

Fuck me, the subject matter allowed for the roles and rules I wanted alright, but it isn't half hard to think of what the fuck to write for a supposed political thriller.

Can't off everybody, but sackings and so on are a bit balls too, really.

If I ever do this again, I am definitely thinking a bit harder on the context and potential narratives before I start!

[The Merse]

With that said, thank you for running this edition of TTH Werewolf. It was really appreciated, and from what I've heard from others, you had interesting write ups. Toby was praising the open-ended nature of the earlier ones when we were talking about it earlier.

No worries, glad a few enjoyed it.

Annoyingly I had to go on call this week which sees me lose time and sleep in a big way, so I felt I'd let the quality drop off, again - a few things to learn from a first effort.

Including not to let you sodding ruin it on night one by spotting the list error! :D

Thank god you mentioned it mind, it would have been unplayable.

[Panda Bear]

I just learned now that Igor Balis was a former Premiership footballer. :cool:

[The Merse]

Yep, thought that might keep it a little challenging that Jay Demerit and Igor Balis were hardly stars of the Premier League. The first time it was mentioned was in the knowledge that Jimmy Floyd would be the first to mind for most people, but he wasn't even being investigated and was none of the characters mentioned. Just wanted to send a cat amongst the pigeons.

[Panda Bear]

Wait, Jay Demerit is a footballer too? Then who was the person who had Dion Dublin as their avatar?

[Panda Bear]

#bestwolf

#alsoworstwolf

also i provided absolutely zero help or input to any of my teammates :thbup:

[The Merse]

http://oi59.tinypic.com/k0k228.jpg

Vim was Murdoch too :henn0rz:

[Panda Bear]

oh god damn it

[Vim]

:D

If people didn't have/figure out the anagram, I'd have made it even clearer that I was Murdoch and had investigated Panda. Surviving that lynch was integral to the town win I guess.

Thanks for the game Merse, I enjoyed it especialy in the last few rounds when it was more pure werewolf.

I've gt a good idea for a theme to do in a while, but I gotta see if I have enough time to do write-ups in the evening. With a Monday-Thursday schedule I should be able to.

[niko_cee]

It really, really, really didn't make sense not to double kill Vim when the chance was there. Those few rounds were a real disaster for the wolf team.

Good game though. Probably a bit too stilted in the town's favour, although the wolves didn't help themselves. I mean, what was Jimmy doing? Thinking about it, had he done that, and then they'd forgone their night kill (without us knowing) they could have really run rings around the town for a few rounds. I reckon the different rules mechanisms definitely make it more interesting as a plain villager, but are probably less welcome for role holders.

[Vim]

Well I enjoyed being a semi-seer. :nodd:

[Browning]

Igor was sturgeon? Fucking hell...

Great game though, enjoyed it a lot. Thanks Merse.

[The Merse]

It really, really, really didn't make sense not to double kill Vim when the chance was there. Those few rounds were a real disaster for the wolf team.

Good game though. Probably a bit too stilted in the town's favour, although the wolves didn't help themselves. I mean, what was Jimmy doing? Thinking about it, had he done that, and then they'd forgone their night kill (without us knowing) they could have really run rings around the town for a few rounds. I reckon the different rules mechanisms definitely make it more interesting as a plain villager, but are probably less welcome for role holders.

The Wolves fucked it a bit and the Town role players got either very lucky with their investigations and sniper kill or were brilliantly played (I'd actually tend toward the latter).

[The Merse]

Oh and P.s. - Farage's win objective was for Burnham to survive with 3 or less friends remaining.

[Toby]

I got that Igor was Sturgeon, but apparently for completely the wrong reasons. I thought it was because along with Manos and Jimmy he was the only person to have voted for or nominated Pepe.

I feel bad about letting Mahow die. I justified it by saying Cameron would've pursued self-preservation at all costs, and I always planned to only save myself or Sturgeon.

[Toby]

I do think the anagram was too much of a giveaway with the village already in a strong position. I understand it is hard to come up with cryptic clues so I wouldn't have criticised much, but I'm surprised you felt the need to actively even things up that way.

[Browning]

Letting Mahow die had to be done. There was a point where I wanted to point out Boris dying was probably our best outcome as friends of Corbynn were running low. We are lucky the town never lynched Igor. You have to figure with him being "safe" Panda would have offed him sooner rather than later.

[7om]

I don't think it's been mentioned yet but in the early stages when the original wolves were exchanging PMs we realized that Magic had inadvertently copied Hammer into the conversations. So fair play to him for not ruining the game.

[P_3]

Phew, what a relief. Panda was pretty much up against it in the end, so kudos to him for doing so well in covering his tracks and making an effort. If it wasn't for the clue we'd have eventually stumbled upon him, by which time he'd have probably won it already. The new rule did make it trickier for the wolves but a couple of abstentions from a night kill could have put them in good stead. It felt good to be right about Niko and Browning being innocents by analysing voting patterns, but a big disappointment for hitting SvN.

Good game everyone. Brilliant effort for organising the whole thing Merse. :thbup:

[The Merse]

I do think the anagram was too much of a giveaway with the village already in a strong position. I understand it is hard to come up with cryptic clues so I wouldn't have criticised much, but I'm surprised you felt the need to actively even things up that way.

To be honest it was also a reaction to a lack of activity. Things had slowed down so I thought it might be that it was missed.
Initially I came up a lot more cryptic an answer which was an anagram of 'panda bear and Toby', then eventually settled on something more obvious. If I were to do it again I think I'd have gone with the with that as the chance that Cameron would also be offed would offset Panda's danger.

[The Merse]

Letting Mahow die had to be done. There was a point where I wanted to point out Boris dying was probably our best outcome as friends of Corbynn were running low. We are lucky the town never lynched Igor. You have to figure with him being "safe" Panda would have offed him sooner rather than later.


Igor was also lucky to die at my hands with inactivity. Had he been any other character, it would have happened.

[The Merse]

I don't think it's been mentioned yet but in the early stages when the original wolves were exchanging PMs we realized that Magic had inadvertently copied Hammer into the conversations. So fair play to him for not ruining the game.

I wondered if something like that triggered him giving up - odd for a wolf to resign their post given how much fun it is.

[Toby]

Letting Mahow die had to be done. There was a point where I wanted to point out Boris dying was probably our best outcome as friends of Corbynn were running low. We are lucky the town never lynched Igor. You have to figure with him being "safe" Panda would have offed him sooner rather than later.

It didn't have to be. My role was more of a chaotic neutral and not specifically linked to the town. I toyed with the idea of saving him and trying to have us both get to the end, but it didn't seem plausible, especially because as you say he was a prime target for flushing out Burnham.


To be honest it was also a reaction to a lack of activity. Things had slowed down so I thought it might be that it was missed.
Initially I came up a lot more cryptic an answer which was an anagram of 'panda bear and Toby', then eventually settled on something more obvious. If I were to do it again I think I'd have gone with the with that as the chance that Cameron would also be offed would offset Panda's danger.

That wouldn't really have made a difference when people knew I was innocent. Panda might have lived long enough to target me once, but I'd have protected myself and he wouldn't have managed another go.

[Mazuuurk]

Well this was inevitable.

Magic completely fucked us early by CCing in Hammer in our PM's, which meant we HAD to kill him asap, and couldn't play it cool the first round (we needed the kill). Then, Hammer was bloody resurrected the round after, so we HAD to kill him again, which meant the same procedure - we basically had to expose Burnham early (it would have likely been a better strategy to abstain from kills for a while).

After that, Magic proceeded to basically out himself as a wolf in some other thread, after he promptly had decided to leave the game, which eventually got Matt killed :moop:

At that point we were pretty much already fucked. Panda strolling in and voting for me for no apparent reason when me and Vim were pretty much 50-50 was the nail in the coffin really.


Fair play to Toby and niko_cee and Pepe who I thought played the game particularly well this time around.


Also thanks The Merse for the game, understanding the rules was a little difficult but once you did, I felt it was a particularly interesting setup, compared to the last one I played (which admittedly was ages ago and more basic). I think the game was actually quite balanced - the wolves just got fucked from the off.

I also think future games should have a limit of how many times you may abstain from voting, do it more than once and get killed, or something like that.

[Toby]

Well this was inevitable.

Magic completely fucked us early by CCing in Hammer in our PM's, which meant we HAD to kill him asap, and couldn't play it cool the first round (we needed the kill). Then, Hammer was bloody resurrected the round after, so we HAD to kill him again, which meant the same procedure - we basically had to expose Burnham early (it would have likely been a better strategy to abstain from kills for a while).


He was comfortably village killed both times, wasn't he? The wolves' first round was seriously bad, I have no idea why you not only used the kill but used it on Matt.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Burnham role made it very difficult for us and indeed meant that the town were always going to win unless they were absolutely useless. You can't, as wolves, just not kill people, or the game will drag out forever and the seer will have plenty of time do you in even if luck doesn't. At least two of the subsequent Burnhams went on to do exactly the same as me because they had no other option.

I'd go as far as to say the wolves had almost no chance of victory from the start.

[Mazuuurk]

You're right actually. We talked about killing him but never needed to, but we had to make sure he got lynched both times, which means a whole bunch of us voting for him.

Killing Matt was really fucking stupid and a result of poor communication and a last-minute decision, I think, so we can't blame Magic fot that one...

[Toby]

I agree it was mismatched, but I see no logic at all for killing Matt - it only served to reduce the shortlist. You were probably dead by that point whatever, I guess.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Matt thing was poor communication. I suggested it right at the start of the round before the dividing up thing happened, and then none of us ever bothered to think about it.

7om thought I could save myself but I thought going down with all hands would be easier to protect the others in future rounds - but in reality the Burnham role constantly transferring meant we needed a massive amount of luck and town/seer incompetence regardless.

[Mazuuurk]

The Burnham role made it very difficult for us and indeed meant that the town were always going to win unless they were absolutely useless. You can't, as wolves, just not kill people, or the game will drag out forever and the seer will have plenty of time do you in even if luck doesn't. At least two of the subsequent Burnhams went on to do exactly the same as me because they had no other option.

I'd go as far as to say the wolves had almost no chance of victory from the start.

I dunno, I think we could have played an interesting game with abstaining from kills and doing them a little randomly, had we had a better start.

That said, the fact that Corbyn was "protected" even when we knew who he was meant that he could be really, really obvious about who he was - as he was always going to die as soon as we could kill him - and thus basically just "declare" some people safe.

Byron did a decent job of that, mind you, as we could have - and probably should have - tried to orchestrate a lynch of him. Although that would have been really hard as well.

[P_3]

How come you guys went for Byron? Just a random stab in the dark or did he give himself away somehow?

[Vim]

Okay I think for next game I might try host a Robert's Rebellion themed game. That's an event in the lore of A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones, when Robert becacme King you know ... that way there are no spoilers for the books since it happened before.

[Matt]

The game was over the night we lost Maz. We had a plan in place at that point, then In a tight vote, panda who we hadn't heard from appeared and was almost the deciding vote in killing Maz

[The Merse]

The Burnham role made it very difficult for us and indeed meant that the town were always going to win unless they were absolutely useless. You can't, as wolves, just not kill people, or the game will drag out forever and the seer will have plenty of time do you in even if luck doesn't. At least two of the subsequent Burnhams went on to do exactly the same as me because they had no other option.

I'd go as far as to say the wolves had almost no chance of victory from the start.

It had to have some balancing in the towns favour when the Wolves only needed to off half the town (1/3 of non-wolves) and then two others.

As it is, the town played very well and wolves fucked up massively on two occasions yet Panda wasn't that far off - I thought it also gave the Wolves opportunity for subterfuge.

It's proven some things work and some don't - the main thing was that introducing some rules around voting for the wolves meant that only one random kill really occurred and people like Toby, Panda Bear and Mahow (and probably yourself had that last minute vote not made you stick out) weren't offed based on their past games early on - that was really why I wanted to play with the rules, to keep up engagement and give people something to discuss and vote/nominate on, and also keep the wolves active as well and discussing strategy.

I think that in that respect, it worked. It would need fine tuning to balance it right, but should I do another I think similar mechanisms would be employed to attempt to affect the game positively again.

[The Merse]

Okay I think for next game I might try host a Robert's Rebellion themed game. That's an event in the lore of A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones, when Robert becacme King you know ... that way there are no spoilers for the books since it happened before.

That was the other theme I was playing with -well, The Court of the Mad King I was going to go for - but I needed to read up more for it, so kept in the locker for another time.

Would love to see you give it a go man :D

[Browning]

Okay I think for next game I might try host a Robert's Rebellion themed game. That's an event in the lore of A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones, when Robert becacme King you know ... that way there are no spoilers for the books since it happened before.

Good theme. I'd like to see GS get his ASOIAF game off the ground as I think it would be spectacular, but if not I'm happy enough with this.

[The Merse]

Good theme. I'd like to see GS get his ASOIAF game off the ground as I think it would be spectacular, but if not I'm happy enough with this.

I first read that as ASIWYFA - the commonly used abbreviation for Ulster instrumentalist mentalists And So I Watch You From Afar and thought 'strange' followed by 'awesome' followed 'hang on'.

[Vim]

That was the other theme I was playing with -well, The Court of the Mad King I was going to go for - but I needed to read up more for it, so kept in the locker for another time.

Would love to see you give it a go man :D

I'm very familiar with the subject so it would be fun. I think I'd have the 'good guys' be the wolves ie the rebels (Eddard, Robert) as the wolves.

[Pleb]

I would of loved Panda to vote and nominate me there last round :baz: