TTH WEREWOLF House of Cards - The Rise of Burnham

[Vim]

Does it matter?

[Pleb]

With 45 minutes to go it probably doesn't matter but strange things has happened in werewolf games.

[Boydy]

Toby - Vim - Pepe - Jimmy Floyd

[Boydy]

Does that imply that Jimmy is Boris?

[Toby]

Does that imply that Jimmy is Boris?

If the "former Premier League footballer" is Jimmy Floyd (Hasselbaink) then it would rule him out as Boris due to being "also implicated". Unless you're suggesting it for another reason?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Sun being a Murdoch newspaper, he's clearly doing some investigating... but since the Mexican drug cartel will be Pepe and I am the ex footballer, I would suggest that means the other two nominees are Ken and Boris.

[Boydy]

If the "former Premier League footballer" is Jimmy Floyd (Hasselbaink) then it would rule him out as Boris due to being "also implicated". Unless you're suggesting it for another reason?

That makes more sense. I was thinking because he was on the way to getting lynched that the financial irregularities were what was going to end with him leaving office. But that doesn't make sense when I think about it.

It also mentions 'their chief of staff' (although I doubt they had the same one) which must mean Simon Fletcher. There aren't that many up for nomination if it's what Jim says it is.

[Toby]

Boris's Chief of Staff is Edward Lister, who isn't in the game.

At the slight risk of doing a Hammer, I don't see anything in that to describe me or my character so I'm assuming it's not all nominees.

[Byron]

Toby - Vim - Pepe - Jimmy Floyd

Word.

[Boydy]

Boris's Chief of Staff is Edward Lister, who isn't in the game.

Yeah, hence the 'must mean Simon Fletcher'.

[The Merse]

UKIP Appoint Press Secretary

Nigel Farage has announced that UKIP have hired the disgraced former Labour MP Carmel Nolan as their new press secretary, in a stunning coup, hoping to draw on media connections made in her time as a radio producer. Quite how the Stop The War leftie in her managed to bring herself to join the Ukippers is a bit of a mystery, and critics have pointed to a desperation to step back into work at the loss of her ideals as being typical of modern politics.


Farage has used his special ability.

[7om]

So what on Earth is Farage's condition to win the game after that?

[Toby]

So has Hammer been reincarnated?

[The Merse]

Yep, and of course you all know who he is now too.

It was a rule that was there because it felt like Farage needed something and UKIP pull off defections so frequently, but the only one I've got to admit being rueful of. Might work, might not. There were going to be very few chances for Farage to actually take on a defector or sacked MP and a time limit to doing so, but he snapped my hands off at Carmel Nolan... So... Yeah. Enjoy :gs:

[The Merse]

Tony...

Yes Andrew...

They're onto me. They know she was there to look into me. Prescott is in custody. I'm screwed.

It's ok Andrew. It's ok. You know, when I had trouble, especially with John, I always had someone I could turn to. You know who I mean Andrew...

With that, the figure of the great manipulator of the Labour party arrived into the room.

Andy. Heard you'd had a spot of bother.


M-m-mr Campbell

Come now, Call me Alastair. Please, it's always been an apt name, right?

What we have is a blood hungry mob. The villagers and their pitchforks off to lynch the big bad wolf.

But here's the thing with mobs, you know - once they've got the scent of blood, they'll settle for just about any blood. We'll sort this Andy, you'll see - they'll get their body in a bag, but you'll keep that hide of yours.


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Somewhere in Hull


Don't snivel to me you fat fuck. You're that fucking fat that I'm only shocked you've managed to abstain from gnawing your fingers to the bone.

But Alastair...

And don't give me that shite about having do her in. I've seen the coroners report. 'Crushed by a falling object?' You do realise that trying to cover it up by flinging a filing cabinet on top of her is unlikely to convince anyone with the ability to see the gaping chasm in the fucking ceiling and the cracked ventilation shaft? You daft prick. Then you throw her in the fucking river? Whilst leaving all the evidence behind? You fucking imbecile. Can you not see that’s half fucked the narrators plans?

But...

John. I made you. It was my fucking life achievement to get you anywhere near fucking respected. I warned them - but Tony needed someone for the northerners, the fucking factory workers and greggs addicts. Someone they could relate to. Now is the time you pay this back.

You lured her there. You promised dirt on Andy, and produced a document that you had faked. He had spurned your advances of a coup de tat against Corbyn. That's a revolution you uncultured swine. You planned to have your way with her... And then... Fuck it we'll work on the rest...

I ought to force feed Cameron's cock to you. It won't take much persuading, I hear that he rather likes fat dead pigs.

A blue flashing light filled the once dark room. Prescott allowed himself to peer out of the window. When he glanced back, Alastair was gone

Rat-tat-tat

Somebody was at the door


Jimmy Floyd is John Prescott

[Browning]

The Farage thing is interesting. I wonder if the condition is something to do with Hammer surviving. I doubt it, but that's all I can think.

The fact nominations are not open suggests there's a wolf Kill coming. Does that mean we definitely got Burnham? I've not double checked everyone's votes yet.

This game definitely calls for a spreadsheet...

[Toby]

Nicely done. There was definitely some niggling doubt about that one still so it's a pleasant surprise that he's actually a baddy.


The Farage thing is interesting. I wonder if the condition is something to do with Hammer surviving. I doubt it, but that's all I can think.

The fact nominations are not open suggests there's a wolf Kill coming. Does that mean we definitely got Burnham? I've not double checked everyone's votes yet.

Not definite, it's possible we just lucky with another bad guy. But if they do kill tonight it was definitely Burnham, as everybody else voted for the non-lynchees.


This game definitely calls for a spreadsheet...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OxkuoggYjCPL5EVtOsu5y9-SfVDxQVgndTteq0cO2yU/edit?usp=sharing

[The Merse]

The Farage thing is interesting. I wonder if the condition is something to do with Hammer surviving. I doubt it, but that's all I can think.

The fact nominations are not open suggests there's a wolf Kill coming. Does that mean we definitely got Burnham? I've not double checked everyone's votes yet.

This game definitely calls for a spreadsheet...

Nominations open at 10pm.

[Browning]

Yea, I meant assuming they get a kill. Which it looks like they will as nominations aren't open.

So, assuming that's what happens, it's a good start, and I guess we follow the same strategy again.

[Browning]

Oh, Ok, fair enough. I thought you just opened them when you were done writing. I guess we'll see....

[The Merse]

Normally - yep. Because the writing is done already (I knew Jimmy was going for hours to be fair...), but actually just in case - nominations will open at 10pm.

[Boydy]

Oh right, Prescott was a wolf. This game is confusing for me since wolves = bad and it should really be tories that are wolves since they're bad.

Prescott is good.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Oh right, Prescott was a wolf. This game is confusing for me since wolves = bad and it should really be tories that are wolves since they're bad.

Prescott is good.
He could well have been Burnham though...

[The Merse]

Tony, Tony

…Andrew?

I’ve got it – Well, I mean Alastair, the man’s a genius, he got it!

What could that be Andrew?

The key! The key to Corbyn’s undoing and my destiny!

Aha, I’m delighted to hear that Andrew, I really am. Never liked the man. Those ruddy socialist backbenchers, oh they didn’t like me. But…

But?

Yes, but… We can’t do it yet Andrew old chum – first, we must weaken him, remember? He wields too much power, too many followers, we’ll be shouted down…

But Tony…

Trust me Andrew. Trust me.

The Allies of Burnham have struck. They now know the identity of Jeremy Corbyn.

[Boydy]

Yeah, I know. I was remarking on the fact that I see Labour as the 'goodies' IRL so it's hard to see them and not the Tories as the 'baddies' in this game.

Mahow.

[Boydy]

Wields too much power, not yields.

Sorry.

[The Merse]

Fair one.

[7om]

Look at Boydy putting grammar on a peddle stool.

[7om]

So Jimmy was Burnham, is that right?

[The Merse]

:lewis:

[Boydy]

That's not even grammar, is it?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's not even grammar, is it?

I don't believe it is.

[The Merse]

Boydy

Actually NO HANG ON A FUCKING MINUTE

Corbyn does wield that power - he uses it to protect himself and investigate others and run the fucking party.

1. to exercise (power, authority, influence, etc.), as in ruling or dominating.

Edit - woah now, I've just proved your point whilst attempting argue against it having convinced myself I put wield and you stated yield.

It's been a long day. My project draft has taken me for 3000 odd words, now these write ups. Enjoyable, but good grief I'm now losing my mind.

Night, chaps. Enjoy your day phase.

[Toby]

Boydy

Actually NO HANG ON A FUCKING MINUTE

Corbyn does wield that power - he uses it to protect himself and investigate others and run the fucking party.

1. to exercise (power, authority, influence, etc.), as in ruling or dominating.


You half cut again?

[The Merse]

You half cut again?


See above. Hit edit about 3 seconds after replying.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

At least Ian has a drinking buddy now...

[7om]

Nobody battered an eyelid at the write ups and here we are discussing grammer.

[Toby]

I suppose our Burnham success is slightly tempered by them now knowing Corbyn's identity, but I suppose it'll be a while before they can do anything about that.

It's possible that Corbyn will have known Jimmy's identity before (if he was investigated on night one) so we could possibly work out who he is and get some seer-y guidance.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Nobody battered an eyelid at the write ups and here we are discussing grammer.

Fuck you in the nostrils.

[P_3]

Sorry, but which part of the rules states that Burnham and his allies can find out Corbyn's identity?

EDIT: Ignore me. Missed the bit where they will identify him if they choose to eliminate him. In which case Jimmy was Burnham number 1.

[Boydy]

Merse. :D

At least with GS there was never the risk of the narrator being drunk.

[Ian]

Well at least that makes the next phase simple enough. :moop:


At least Ian has a drinking buddy now...

Drinking buddies slow you down. What do you take me for, some sort of amateur?

[The Merse]

Announcement - Player Change

MAGIC OUT, MATT BACK IN

As Matt didn't really get a round, he can take Magics place, who had asked to leave the game.

This is the last time players will be replaced due to how early in the game it has occured. If anyone else wants out, it's death or mow-mow.

[The Merse]

Well at least that makes the next phase simple enough. :moop:



Drinking buddies slow you down. What do you take me for, some sort of amateur?

Gutted. I was well up for a trip out to Hamilton when I was next up.

[Boydy]

What's Magic want out for? The big fanny.

[7om]

Fuck you, Magic, you paedophile.

[Mazuuurk]

OK I just got back from training, can someone tell me whats been going on?

Jimmy was lynched, and ended up being probably Burnham, right? Or at least a wolf.

Meanwhile, Hammer was revived and brought back into the game by Nigel Farage?
I wonder if his goal to win the game is to "recruit" a certain amount of people (sounds UKIP-y).

The wolves then managed to attack Corbyn, but he didn't die since he's got too many Villagers left to protect him.


Is all of this correct?

[Boydy]

That is a proper paedo move, noncing out like that.

[Ian]

Gutted. I was well up for a trip out to Hamilton when I was next up.

I tried to organise a TTH Scotland meet and got snubbed. SNUBBED I tells ya.

Well, organise TTH Scotland II after Fandan and I's epic meet in Valhalla's Goat.

[Toby]

OK I just got back from training, can someone tell me whats been going on?

Jimmy was lynched, and ended up being probably Burnham, right? Or at least a wolf.

Meanwhile, Hammer was revived and brought back into the game by Nigel Farage?
I wonder if his goal to win the game is to "recruit" a certain amount of people (sounds UKIP-y).

The wolves then managed to attack Corbyn, but he didn't die since he's got too many Villagers left to protect him.


Is all of this correct?

All correct, but Jimmy was definitely Burnham.

Now one of the other four has assumed the role of Burnham, and with it the requirement to vote for the lynchee.

[Browning]

OK I just got back from training, can someone tell me whats been going on?

Jimmy was lynched, and ended up being probably Burnham, right? Or at least a wolf.

Meanwhile, Hammer was revived and brought back into the game by Nigel Farage?
I wonder if his goal to win the game is to "recruit" a certain amount of people (sounds UKIP-y).

The wolves then managed to attack Corbyn, but he didn't die since he's got too many Villagers left to protect him.


Is all of this correct?

It's all correct, but I assume from the way Merse worded it that Farage can only revive 1 player. So I think that's his "ability" used up now.

For me, it's obvious we need a lot of names on the ballot again (4-5) to spread the votes as we did before and find the new Burnham. We really haven't given ourselves much to analyse as Jimmy wasn't on ballot 1 and everyone's votes were forced on ballot 2. I'd be inclined to suggest Hammer should be on this ballot, as we know he isn't Corbyn or anyone useful. Obviously though, we want wolves on there if possible, but not sure who to suggest. The other thing against Hammer is we know he's "aligned" with Farage, and we don't want him winning either.

Open to other ideas though.

[Demerit]

Just got in from dinner where's the latest count and what is the aim of the voting! Can't be scrolling through 4 pages of it.

[Demerit]

Just read the last page, for some reason I had 10pm in my head as the cut off

[Browning]

Just got in from dinner where's the latest count and what is the aim of the voting! Can't be scrolling through 4 pages of it.

Everyone voted to kill Jimmy, except from "The 6". 5 members of "the 6" voted elsewhere, but Jimmy voted for himself. The wolves got a kill so Jimmy is Burnham. The Wolf kill then hit Corbyn but he didn't die, they know who he is though.

[Toby]

I'd be inclined to suggest Hammer should be on this ballot, as we know he isn't Corbyn or anyone useful.

:D

I was all for it the first time but I don't think I could do that to the poor man twice.

[Spammer]

Back from the dead, motherfuckers.




http://eborg2.com/Jesus/Jesus-Resurrection/Jesus%20Resurrection-06.jpg

[Magic]

I never wanted to play in the first place. Thanks Merse.

[Byron]

I reckon we get a few new people on the ballot. How many villagers left now? We need to work out how many turns Corbyn has left.

[Byron]

Just answered my own question. Corbyn has three turns left (assuming the wolves kill every turn). Do we start making suggestions for who needs to be investigated?

[Mazuuurk]

May as well get Hammer in again since we at least knows he's not a seer or anything, and being affiliated with Farage can't be entirely good. Not saying we should necessarily lynch him but I also don't have many better suggestions.

[Boydy]

If we know that the wolves know who Corbyn is, he should just reveal himself to everyone, shouldn't he?

[7om]

I'm Corbyn.

[Toby]

If we know that the wolves know who Corbyn is, he should just reveal himself to everyone, shouldn't he?

The game will become very mechanical if we allow that, I'd say it's definitely cheating.

[Mazuuurk]

I think we already said after Hammer did that we shouldn't allow any role revealing. That's up to Merse.

Not sure if Merse confirmed that but I'm pretty sure he would.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No, I'm Corbyn.

[Mazuuurk]

In fairness though, I'm not sure where to draw the line either, as people ought to be able to at least claim they are one thing or the other in a way. I mean you should be able to claim you're a goodie or a baddie at least, but what if you're the seer and wants people to understand that?

I mean, 7oms post above - I don't think he's serious but even if he was - there would be no way for him to prove that anyway.

I guess it's up to Merse to potentially punish anyone who's being a dick & start ruining the game.


EDIT: I guess nobody will actually want to claim they are a baddie, but you get what I mean.

[Toby]

In fairness though, I'm not sure where to draw the line either, as people ought to be able to at least claim they are one thing or the other in a way. I mean you should be able to claim you're a goodie or a baddie at least, but what if you're the seer and wants people to understand that?

I mean, 7oms post above - I don't think he's serious but even if he was - there would be no way for him to prove that anyway.

I guess it's up to Merse to potentially punish anyone who's being a dick & start ruining the game.


EDIT: I guess nobody will actually want to claim they are a baddie, but you get what I mean.

We had it in one of the first games we had with seers involved, where they hit a few bad guys and one of them just rolled in with, "I'm a seer, x, y and z are wolves". After that point it's just a case of testing their claim with one lynching and suddenly a very mechanical game that there's little point continuing.

There needs to be at least something to work out or else what's the point? If all the villagers just said at the start, hey I'm a villager, this game would be over in a few days.

[Boydy]

People might want to claim they're a wolf if they're not to make themselves useful cover for the wolves and so not be killed by them if them sticking around is beneficial to the village, like a seer.

[Browning]

I'm torn on what to do here. On the one hand killing Hammer seems sensible. There's 4 wolves remaining, but there's also Corbyn, Sturgeon and Cameron who we must avoid hitting at all costs. So the chances of us doing good or harm are almost the same. However only 3 more friends of Corbyn need to die before they can off him, so wasting one seems pointless. Chances are one will die anyway though as there's so many of them. It's a tough call.

[Toby]

Offing Hammer again really is the best bet but I just don't think I'd have the heart to do it.

On the other hand, it would be hilarious.

[The Merse]

I never wanted to play in the first place. Thanks Merse.

:bleh:

[The Merse]

Right - if someone alludes to their role in a sensible way which also leaves it open to debate, I'm all for it - I like to think that where I've done so in the past I've been pretty subtle. I.e. littered clues the sum of which may help. Hence, most of the time (when using it when on the ropes), nobodys gets it - oh apart from the time that the wolves got it. And that was that.

If all of a sudden someone says I'm Corbyn or Jezza or something like that, they likely will be fucked off out of the game, if they're already as good as dead but could create say, a double lynch with it, then a teammate goes with them.

Be intelligent lads.

[Pepe]

Alright, good going lads. Them knowing Corbyn puts us in a tough position though. Still, the plan should be the same: Get 4 or 5 up for voting, spread the votes and see what sticks where. Whoever Corbyn is really needs to step up and say what they know, there is no point in hiding now.

EDIT: Obviously I'll follow whatever Merse says, but I really see no issue in someone saying 'I'm Corbyn'. Wolves can do it too, you know? And since they know who are bad ones they could even throw one our way and gain our trust. But if you don't want roles revealed then so be it.

[Browning]

I nominate Hammer (First nomination)

I've already explained why it makes sense, but I'm also not insisting he HAS to die. We do have to tread carefully though so as not to hit the players we need, and this would allow us to do it. Regardless we need to see 4-5 people up and a split vote as per before. I just won't be able to nominate in the morning so wanted to get this in.

[The Merse]

Alright, good going lads. Them knowing Corbyn puts us in a tough position though. Still, the plan should be the same: Get 4 or 5 up for voting, spread the votes and see what sticks where. Whoever Corbyn is really needs to step up and say what they know, there is no point in hiding now.

EDIT: Obviously I'll follow whatever Merse says, but I really see no issue in someone saying 'I'm Corbyn'. Wolves can do it too, you know? And since they know who are bad ones they could even throw one our way and gain our trust. But if you don't want roles revealed then so be it.

AS Toby says, it leads to a shite game and really isn't fair on the wolves. The wolf bit is a moot point too - why the hell would they want to reveal themselves?

Additionally, Corbyn still cannot be killed. Unless he says too much, then you've just got Sturgeon (who was added as the back up for the exact situation that the village make an arse of things, though I hadn't imagined they'd do so with a suicidal rant that prompts me to do it).

[Pepe]

Care to explain again why we should kill Hammer?

[Mazuuurk]

Well before we start talking about offing Hammer we should start nominating some people, at least 3-4 I guess.

[Browning]

Care to explain again why we should kill Hammer?

I already have.

[Pepe]

AS Toby says, it leads to a shite game

Not necessarily true.


The wolf bit is a moot point too - why the hell would they want to reveal themselves?

I meant one of them could claim to be Corbyn and now one of the wolves. We would then proceed to lynch the wolf, proving fake Corbyn right. Next thing we know they are devouring the real one a few rounds later.

Roleclaiming really isn't as bad as some people make it out to be, most games actually involve a good amount of it and turn out just fine. But that is a discussion for another time.

[Pepe]

I already have.

Hence the word again being part of that sentence.

[Pepe]

I nominate Mahow (First nomination)

He is being his annoying little twat usual self. More of a pestering distraction than anything so if we have nothing solid to go with, we can just get rid of him.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I nominate Pepe (First nomination)

Sticking with my nomination from the last round, I believe he is a wolf baddie.

[Browning]

I don't necessarily think we should kill him (but I'm leaning towards it being the right thing to do) but at the same time he's a nice safe name to have on the ballot. We know what he is. The only thing he offers us is a minor protection to Corbyn, and if we were to hit Corbyn by mistake (which is more likely now that the Wolves know who he is and can lead the town that way) then it becomes totally redundant. I'm going to consider it more carefully before casting my vote after work tomorrow, but he's one who should be on the ballot even if he ultimately survives it.

[Pepe]

I see. So you mean since we're 100% sure he is a vanilla townie we don't risk hitting someone more important? I guess it is not too bad of a plan although it would be nice if we had something more substantial. Rather kill Mahow tbf.

[Browning]

I see. So you mean since we're 100% sure he is a vanilla townie we don't risk hitting someone more important? I guess it is not too bad of a plan although it would be nice if we had something more substantial. Rather kill Mahow tbf.

Pretty much. We've got 3 important roles (Corbyn, Sturgeon and Cameron) to 4 Wolves and not much to go on.

[Toby]

The upside of targeting Hammer is that we can do exactly the same as we did this time and kill the new Burnham within two wolf kills.

The problem is that we don't really have the numbers to just keep doing that sort of thing, especially as if we accidentally hit Sturgeon it's basically game over. At some point we are going to have to start pursuing some other leads.

[Pleb]

If we hit both Corbyn and Sturgeon at the same time we're kinda fucked so what's the point of targeting Hammer other than "well he announced his role early game lol"?

[Pepe]

Doesn't someone take over once Corbyn is dead? Meaning the wolves have to offload Corbyn and her replacement before they win?

[Pleb]

Something like that.


Jeremy Corbyn
Corbyn is able to enquire as to the identity of one player a night. Corbyn knows the identity of Nicola Sturgeon, and may communicate with her freely. Should he be eliminated, she will be become Burnhams next target.

Nicola Sturgeon
Knows the identity of Corbyn and may communicate freely with him. Should Corbyn be eliminated whilst she remains, she will become the next target of Burnham as he looks to secure Scotland. No-one's quite sure whether she's pro-Corbyn, as whilst they're well aligned in certain aspects, she's unlikely to welcome a 'true' Labour leader regaining ground in Scotland.

Pretty much that.

[The Merse]

Not necessarily true.



I meant one of them could claim to be Corbyn and now one of the wolves. We would then proceed to lynch the wolf, proving fake Corbyn right. Next thing we know they are devouring the real one a few rounds later.

Roleclaiming really isn't as bad as some people make it out to be, most games actually involve a good amount of it and turn out just fine. But that is a discussion for another time.

As I say, depends how it's done. Subtlety is key, overt is too much in a situation like this.

The devices in this game empower the normal villagers in terms of detection. Use it as you have done already. That's it.

[Browning]

If we hit both Corbyn and Sturgeon at the same time we're kinda fucked so what's the point of targeting Hammer other than "well he announced his role early game lol"?

Because it means we absolutely won't hit Corbyn or Sturgeon?

If Dave uses his save at the right moment, and we can find a Wolf every 2 rounds like we have here, it would work out quite nicely for us. If we hit Dave or Sturgeon, we're fucked.

[Pepe]

So we have a few rounds until they can kill Corbyn and then hopefully a few more until they find Sturgeon. Hopefully we will start getting some solid targets but regardless, THE PLAN should still be on. Split the vote this round, force them to the no kill next round.

EDIT: I would hope that if we were close to lynching one of those two, they would put up a solid fight to convince us otherwise.

[7om]

Have I missed something? Why is it virtually game over it we hit Sturgeon?

[Pepe]

Because the wolves know who Corbyn is, all they would need to do is wait a few rounds until they can pound on him.

[Browning]

Because the Wolves know who Corbyn is, so his days are numbered. Sturgeon takes over from him when he dies. If they both die we lose.

[Pleb]

She's on of the good guys no?

Have I missed something?

What Browning said.

[Mazuuurk]

Because it means we absolutely won't hit Corbyn or Sturgeon?

If Dave uses his save at the right moment, and we can find a Wolf every 2 rounds like we have here, it would work out quite nicely for us. If we hit Dave or Sturgeon, we're fucked.

David Cameron has the right to save a Wolf, right? Not a villager. So killing off him wouldn't be so bad.

Unless I missed something here.

[Toby]

David Cameron has the right to save a Wolf, right? Not a villager. So killing off him wouldn't be so bad.

Unless I missed something here.

No it's the other way around, just a classic medic role.

[Browning]

No, he can veto a Wolf kill, so he'd be saving a villager.

[7om]

But it doesn't say anything in the rules about both Corbyn and Sturgeon dying being the end of the game. Why can't the other 'villagers' just carry on?

[Browning]

But it doesn't say anything in the rules about both Corbyn and Sturgeon dying being the end of the game. Why can't the other 'villagers' just carry on?

It's the first proper paragraph...

[Pepe]

Tom:


The Allies of Burnham will win by offing Corbyn, but can only do so once they have crushed his powerbase. Once a night they can elect to kill a player, but they cannot kill Corbyn until seven or less of his friends remain.

[Mazuuurk]

Ah I see. Well it says:

"informed of and can veto any Allies of Burnham elimination"

The way I interpreted that is they can veto the elimination of a wolf, but I guess it could be the other way around as well.

[7om]

Got it, cheers Pepe.

[The Merse]

Ah I see. Well it says:

"informed of and can veto any Allies of Burnham elimination"

The way I interpreted that is they can veto the elimination of a wolf, but I guess it could be the other way around as well.

Ok yeah, that's not worded brilliantly. Basically, can veto wolf kills. They're the only ones Cameron would need notification of - they can see the voting ones.

[SvN]

Surprised that we managed to hit Burnham on our first go. Pretty decent.

I'll catch up properly tomorrow.

[niko_cee]

Presumably Cameron now knows the identity of Corbyn, and can save him from at least one wolf kill still. That's Sturgeon, Cameron, Boris, 4 wolves and Corbyn himself who could all know his identity now. Is Hammer's character no longer a friend of Corbyn for the purposes of wittling? I assume not, although I didn't notice it specifically mentioned. If he (she) is then it's questionable whether it's worth bopping the poor sod off again. There's something going on between Pepe and Mahow.

[Mazuuurk]

Presuming Cameron chooses to do so. He could just choose not to, as well. Him and Boris Johnson are Neutrals I think and can't "win" the game anyway. Cameron is like a neutral medic.

I don't see why you wouldn't use the only one ability you do have, but still, it's worth remembering.

[Toby]

Given Corbyn wasn't really up for elimination we shouldn't say Cameron definitely knows about it.

Niko makes a good point though, Hammer is now a 'kipper and not one of the Friends of Corbyn. I don't really see an option but to kill him again.

(soz hammer :()

[niko_cee]

I nominate Pepe (second nomination, first nomination Mahow)

Jimmy nominated him, and considering the mess he was making of things I could easily see this as an attempt to j'accuse a co-conspirator.

[Toby]

Pepe led the charge against Jimmy. Not to say it couldn't be a wolfy tactic but your timeline is a bit off if you're just mentioning the retaliatory nomination.

EDIT: I suppose he didn't actually nominate him, but he was very vocal about his suspicions.

[niko_cee]

Jimmy was obviously going to die. It would be a decent place to hide. Most people can be accused of leading the charge against Jimmy in one way or another though, so I can't see there being a lot in that. Just wanted to get a nomination in really as I'm probably not going to be on again until voting has opened.

[niko_cee]

Vote spreading and killing Hammer is still probably the best/least risky course of action

[Toby]

Would be nice to see theories from:

Boydy
Byron
Cjay
Ian
Igor Balis
Panda
Pepe

As they are the only people not to have nominated anybody yet.

[Boydy]

I don't have any theories. I'm barely following what's going on.

Although I reckon you're Cameron.

[Browning]

Do we have 1 person up with 90 minutes to go? Sort it out.

[Toby]

I nominate Hammer (second nomination, first by Browning)

I feel bad for doing it and I don't think it's the ideal option, but in the absence of better ideas it is at least relatively risk-free.

[Browning]

That's a second Toby I did it last night.

[Pleb]

I nominate Mahow (second nomination, first nomination by Pepe)

This matchup should be incredible. Your both wolves by the way.

[Byron]

My theory is as follows;

Jim was Burnham and voted for himself to guarantee the night kill. I would actually be looking at Pepe initially, simply because as leading the charge so vociferously against Jim would mean he could go under the radar. Might be an idea if Corbyn has a look at him? Simply as we can't trust what Murdoch comes out with.

Beyond that, no clue. A good number of people (being Farage, Sturgeon and the 4 remaining Allies of Burnham) now know who Corbyn is, which represents just over 25% of the remaining players. I would argue that we lynch Pepe. If he's innocent, then we look at the two who nominated him (being Mahow and niko_cee) as they might have used him to cover their own tracks.

[Ian]

Would be nice to see theories from:

Boydy
Byron
Cjay
Ian
Igor Balis
Panda
Pepe

As they are the only people not to have nominated anybody yet.

I haven't really formed any, partly because I'm skimming through a lot. Tonight I won't be balls-deep in FM so that's a step in the right direction. :moop: There's actually a bit of a lull at work just now so I might try and get caught up properly.

One thing I will say is that it's as difficult as ever to determine whether Mahow and Pepe's random digs at each other mean anything or if they're just being their usual selves.

[Boydy]

We could just lynch both and find out.

[Byron]

Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!

[Pepe]

I see people are falling for the usual trap of looking at the only players who are active and declare them suspicious since, well, they are the only ones saying anything. Time and time again it has been shown that the wolves are the ones 'laying low,' don't fall for the exact same trap over and over ffs.

If I was a wolf, why would I have bothered coming up with a strategy that would get the wolves killed/incapacitated faster since day one? As a wolf I would just have gone with the flow, since that's what wolves always do and guess what it always works. People saying Jimmy was as good as gone and therefore trying to hide me in plain sight or some such shit, well, he was only 'as good as gone' because I (and a few others) pushed for it. Even then, there were some people still against the idea of lynching Jimmy for some strange reason.

As for my nomination of Mahow: Yesterday we had a shortlist of six players who were potentially Burnham, so it made 100% sense to nominate among those. Only two players nominated someone outside those six, one of them was Jimmy. Who was the other one? Mahow. This could mean one or two things. Either he was trying to shift some attention towards me, just like Jimmy was, because he is a wolf or he is just a townie and decided to ignore our quite excellent plan 'for the lulz.' No matter which of those two scenarios is true, he does more harm than good to the town and is therefore a good target. I am not having 'random digs' at him, he is a genuinely solid target.

My suggestion for today is get at least one more nominated and then spread the votes. Don't come up with too clear a consensus of who will be lynched at the end, that gives a chance to the new Burnham to get on it early. Instead keep it tight until the end. That way Burnham has two choices: either he picks someone early in order to avoid suspicion but risks voting for the loser and not being able to night kill or he has to wait until the end, just like Jimmy did, which will give us a good target for tomorrow.

[Ian]

Yes, because you made all that quite clear so far. "Annoying twat", was it?

Not that you're wrong with what you've said now you've actually explained it.

[7om]

It's hard to disagree with Pepe there. Mahow moans about being singled out but there was no reason to do what he did yesterday except to be disruptive and therefore draw attention to himself.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It wasn't a 'quite excellent plan', no plans in these games ever are.

I believed Jimmy to be innocent (I was clearly wrong) and didn't think we should be lynching an active member who, if he was innocent, would be a valuable cog for the village.

[Pepe]

But you want to lynch an active member (me) who might be a valuable cog for the village? Does not compute.

[Mazuuurk]

Nominations are closed now, right? We should get to voting I guess. Who ended up being nominated in the end?

I'll take a look back and see if I can sort out a voting post.

[Mazuuurk]

Actually, we only seem to have 3 nominees. That's a little retarded for the sake of our plan. It's 3PM GMT though, right?



Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

But you want to lynch an active member (me) who might be a valuable cog for the village? Does not compute.

You're never a valuable cog, Pepe.

[Pepe]

Unless I am mistaken, we have 20 players left. A spread of 6-6-8 is the best we can hope for (among twenty players we couldn't get one more nomination? Shambles.) Get on it.

[Mazuuurk]

Look how he's subtly trying to get people to vote for Mahow here :D

[Pepe]

:rosebud:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

The one true wolf in the crowd.

[niko_cee]

Not getting another nomination was a bit poor. Especially considering Ian and 7om were loitering around with the ability to nominate around the deadline. Thought Pepe's post was quite good all in. Still think Hammer is probably the safest bet.

[Mazuuurk]

Actually it would be quite interesting to see a list of all (remaining) players. I feel like there are a few that have hardly said anything in this thread.

EDIT: It's in the OP, just noticed :moop:

[Pepe]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

0-1-1

Slow as fuck today, where is everyone?

[Mazuuurk]

OK so these are the players:

Ian
Hammer - Carmel Nolan - lynched night 1, resurrected night 2
Igor Balis
Panda
SVN
Byron
7OM
Boydy
Mahow
Vim
Pepe
Mazuurk
Matt - Kat Fletcher - Wolf kill night 1 ***
Jimmy Floyd - John Prescott - Lynched night 2
Browning
Niko_Cee
Cjay
P3
Magic (replaced by Matt, Day 3)
Demerit
Pleb
Toby


Igor Balis only has 3 posts, and Cjay & P3 only 8 each, in the whole thread.

Not that it matters right now, but if nothing else we should at least nominate a few of them next round to get them more active.

[Mazuuurk]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

1-1-1

Just keeping it even, not sure we should lynch Hammer, but I'm inclined to think so.

[SvN]

In the office today preparing for a meeting tomorrow so have been super busy all day. Will try and get on to properly catchup before the voting closes.

[P_3]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

Mahow's chasing of Pepe looks interesting, but Pepe was quite involved in getting rid of Jimmy. I'm going to give the two another night phase to kiss and make up or there will be words. This leaves Hammer.

2-1-1

[Pleb]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

2-2-1.

[niko_cee]

We've wasted this phase.

[Matt]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

2-2-2

Been snowed under at work with month end today. To keep it tight

[Pepe]

Snowed? Bloody hell. :D

[Mazuuurk]

The only bad thing about this "keeping it close" strategy is that people basically don't have to motivate why they are voting for each other, which really sucks a little bit, since those motivations could sometimes look well dodgy, I remember.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The only bad thing about this "keeping it close" strategy is that people basically don't have to motivate why they are voting for each other, which really sucks a little bit, since those motivations could sometimes look well dodgy, I remember.

That's a terrific point actually.

Makes it easier for wolves to stroll in and go undetected in voting.

It also gives them a valid reason if, for instance, someone was to ask why their voting is so erratic, 'Was told to keep it tight m8 ;)...'

[niko_cee]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow


Reasons: his role isn't beneficial to the town, we know who he is, he has been less active than the other two.

3-2-2

I don't know that vote spreading is necessarily going to work that well with such a small field. I'd considered holding off until late to try and force Burnham to maybe end up on the wrong side (or have to switch/vote very late) but I may not be on again until after 8 so will just put the vote in now.

[Browning]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

I've made it clear why I think this/nominated him. And I think at this point I can vote for him without turning this into a landslide, but the next few votes need to go against him. If this becomes a runaway, then I'll change, as splitting is what we need, but I do think Hammer should be the kill.

[Browning]

Participation seems to be dwindling though It's shameful we only got 3 names up, and there's so many left to vote with only an hour to go.

[Pleb]

Surely we should get rid of Pepe and Mahow this round first then get Hammer in the next round.

Just a thought.

[Vim]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

Because he's the safe bet and having not been able to discuss things today (I'm still out and n my phone) I don't think it's worth risking voting for the others.

[Boydy]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow


He seems pretty suspicious to me. I'm not really sure of the use of offing Hammer tonight if we know who he is.

[Byron]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

I'd prefer Pepe but we can't be killing Hammer if we know his role and Mahow is the best way to guarantee it.

5-2-4

[Mazuuurk]

What's that, 11 out of 20 votes? 15 minutes left... right?

[The Merse]

You achieved a D+ in Werewolf Maths.

-1 pt for being 2 mins off.

-1pt for failure to show workings out.

[7om]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

I don't feel good about killing a guy as soon as he comes back from the pissing dead but we know for a fact he's a nobody. Nothing concrete against the other two as of yet so it makes the most sense to go with Hammer.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Pepe, I'll see you on the dance floor tomorrow.

This will be settled one day with blood.

[niko_cee]

Only 6 on the winning ticket is a bit of a bonus in terms of finding Burnham (or denying him/them a night kill).

[Mazuuurk]

erm what happens to people who don't vote?

[Pepe]

So much for splitting. Top effort lads. :face:

Nothing happens to the cunts who don't vote unfortunately.

[P_3]

For all the effort Farage put into bringing Hammer back to life, the twat hasn't even bothered voting. What a waste.

[Mazuuurk]

So much for splitting. Top effort lads. :face:

Nothing happens to the cunts who don't vote unfortunately.

Well there's still votes enough left for people to even it out should they have voted, so I'd say it's more a bit of a fuckup from all who hasn't voted.

[Pepe]

How long do we have left?

Is Byron's count correct? If it is, then you should really change your vote to me Tom and then no one else should vote. Unless you have a very good reason for voting for Hammer of course.

[niko_cee]

So much for splitting. Top effort lads. :face:

Nothing happens to the cunts who don't vote unfortunately.

What's the problem? Burnham has to be one of THE NEW SIX for the wolves to get a kill tonight, non?

[P_3]

It is 8pm Pepe.

[niko_cee]

Eh, doesn't voting end at 8pm (ie 20 minutes ago)?

[Pepe]

Yes, yes, it is not too bad. Still time for Tom to make things right if he is one of us.

EDIT: Nevermind then. Well, we have six to choose from tomorrow and I think we have a pretty good target.

[niko_cee]

Assuming Burnham has voted for Hammer.

[Pepe]

Of course.

[Mazuuurk]

8PM was 20 minutes ago, Pepe. Who is Tom, is that 7om?

[Spammer]

LATE ARRIVAL

I vote Pepe.

[Spammer]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

Due to low turnout we've extended the deadline.

[Ian]

Oh for fuck's sake, I was late out of work and assumed the voting was closing at 9. I'm a proper waste of space this time out. Well, more so than usual.

[Mazuuurk]

If that will indeed be approved by Merse, then:


I will change my vote from Hammer to Pepe:

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow


That evens it out a little bit 5-4-4 in that case.
But I don't expect Merse to approve the change.

[The Merse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvKY8FJY0Qk

Should have posted this at dead on 8pm. :(

Had we done so well before 8 - then yes, I nearly waded in and declared it myself, but given that some folk may have tuned out at 8 so would stop monitoring when they might have otherwise changed vote depending on how things looked... No.

[niko_cee]

9pm might be better going forward, if that works with you.

[SvN]

Hammer - Pepe - Mahow

if I can still vote, I'm going for Hammer.

[The Merse]

It does indeed. I just went for an arbitrary 8pm based on the thread I pulled some rules off from years ago - I got in and out quick as it was between cloudfare crashes.

9PM DEADLINE FOR VOTING NOW ACTIVE (but not tonight)

[Pepe]

What a mess. :D

[The Merse]

Fuck it - the deadline was there, if people didn't vote in their 5 hour window then it's up to them.

[SvN]

Some of us have proper jobs, you twat.

[Spammer]

You're all a bunch of fucking cunts :thbdn:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I concur with Hammer.

Pepe should have died.

[Mazuuurk]

It IS kind of funny, this :D

It would be hilarious if Farage could revive him a second time for us all to just lynch him again.

[7om]

You're barely playing, Hammer, so you can't be that miffed.

[The Merse]

Some of us have proper jobs, you twat.

Ouch. What's not proper about Digital?

Fair cop guv'nor

[The Merse]

Fucking hell Hammer...

http://www.thedugout.net/community/showthread.php?t=95002

Have you been playing on the other board?

Edit - Oops, only I can post in here about the outside world....

[The Merse]

Carmel Nolan ousted

UKIP were in shock last night after it emerged that Press Secretary Carmel Nolan’s defection to the party was all a radical leftie ploy.



Nigel Farage had hailed it a coup to have landed Jeremy Corbyn’s experienced former press secretary just yesterday, but was horrified to find that her first act as press secretary was to distribute sensitive UKIP documents to The Guardian.

In an act of incredible subterfuge, UKIP member emails were submitted to the press detailing sordid secrets of Farage’s Brussels sojourns, revealing that he the bad boy of British politics had been busy in the bedroom. The UKIP leader had been running a secret betting ring on how many female MEP’s he could bed, boasting ‘if you can’t beat them, bed them!’. Farage was unavailable for comment last night, but we can reveal that his latest dalliance was with this Spanish stunner –

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/61045000/jpg/_61045837_61045836.jpg

Nolan was however available for comment and stated that ‘This is a victory for the sensible – an expose of Nigel Farage as a vile misogynist, no doubt it may appeal to some of his core vote, but I hope it will win back some of the Labour parties core by exposing his arrogance and infidelity – Britain needs principled leaders, not cads’

Nolan hatched the plan after accepting an offer to be head of Media Relations at an actively left wing private business, coming together with other members of Team Corbyn to release banal secrets about their boss as a cover story. The former Corbyn press chief is a former radio journalist and veteran campaigner from Liverpool – and, like him, was a leading architect of the Stop the War coalition. She has described the Corbyn team as “a coalition of the willing and the available” and “like Stop the War with bells on”. Nolan, formerly known as Carmel Brown, is respected by Westminster hacks as a serious operator. In her spare time she researches the fates of Liverpool men who served in the Second World War.
Her daughter, Hope, is credited with coming up with the name for George Galloway’s anti-war party in 2004. Then aged just eight, she picked two names: one was the “Give All Your Sweeties to Hope Party”. The other was Respect.


You all know who Hammer was. That's why you did him in, it would appear.

[Demerit]

Please extend the voting hours..

Although today was a particularly late/busy one.

[Mazuuurk]

He just did, Demerit, to 9PM GMT.

[Demerit]

Hooray!

I'm actually in the office for once tomorrow so I'll properly catch up and start paying attention from now on.

[Mazuuurk]

You're not alone to make that promise :moop:

[The Merse]

Alastair Campbell had a rather lovely tan.

Everybody had commented on it. He was enjoying being back around the Party. Disassociating himself from the mental lefties like Corbyn was even better.

‘Alastair!’

‘Andy’ The smile was genuine, but it really didn’t look it. It looked almost painful.

‘So, how did you enjoy Cancun then – good to get away for a while?’

‘Absolutely, a chance to meet with some friends of an old friend, you might say – very hospitable’


That friend was Ken Livingstone.
Those friends of friends were the local drug baron Ivan De La Rojo De Loco and his legendary Cobra Loco gang. The Cobra Loco were interested to hear that Red Ken and Pepe ‘’Piss Viper’ Villarosa, Ivan’s most trusted deputy were meeting in Cancun to discuss the investigative work of a certain UK media outlet, and planned to make contact with the FBI to cut a deal.

Livingstone had been waiting in the scorching sun for nearly an hour… Where was he…?

In the distance he spotted something. It appeared from here to be a rock… A rock that was moving… Livingstone moved towards it…


It was his old friend Pepe… It would be the last time he ever saw him…


http://oi59.tinypic.com/2d7vnlf.jpg

Pepe was Ken Livingstone, Friend of Corbyn


It's day. Nominations are open.

[Pepe]

Good game so far Merse, cheers. :thbup:

[The Merse]

Cheers buddy, thanks for contributing plenty. Thought I was making a pig's ear of it myself.

:D

Apologies for the stereotyping by the way - too good a chance to miss with Dodgy Red Ken.

[Pepe]

I like that picture, might make it my avatar.

[Pleb]

So how many of Corbyn's friends do we get again before this game goes down the pot?

[P_3]

Right, we have:
Mazuuurk
P_3
Niko_cee
Browning
Vim
7om

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

RIP in pieces sweet prince :(

I wanted another dance tomorrow.

[niko_cee]

I think we have a pretty good target.

I'm fairly sure this was going to be me.

Farewell comrade Ken. We may have ended up going our separate ways, but we were always on the same side.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I nominate Mazuuurk (First nomination)

I find it interesting that he and Niko (both in the voting shortlist to be Burnham today) nominated Jimmy after the wildfire against him spread.

I believe it's almost guaranteed that one of Maz or Niko is a wolf who wanted to get ahead of the Jimmy train.

[The Merse]

So how many of Corbyn's friends do we get again before this game goes down the pot?

I've explained enough content that can be traced on the front page now, Pleb.

Go on son, have a read.

I also can't remember and would need to read them from either there or my documents, which I'd rather not now... Otherwise I'd probably just have told you.

[niko_cee]

I nominate Mazuuurk (First nomination)

I believe it's almost guaranteed that one of Maz or Niko is a wolf who wanted to get ahead of the Jimmy train.

This is fine, although I don't know how Maz's attempted vote switch sits with that (other than badly for moi).

[SvN]

I nominate Mazuuurk (First nomination)

I find it interesting that he and Niko (both in the voting shortlist to be Burnham today) nominated Jimmy after the wildfire against him spread.

I believe it's almost guaranteed that one of Maz or Niko is a wolf who wanted to get ahead of the Jimmy train.

I buy it.

I nominate Mazuuurk (Second nomination)

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This is fine, although I don't know how Maz's attempted vote switch sits with that (other than badly for moi).

He knew that Merse wouldn't allow it, the change was 30 minutes after the deadline.

Mind games!

[niko_cee]

On the plus side, I suppose, it is fairly obvious that Mr Let's Kill Pepe doesn't have any investigative powers.

Of the 6 people I would be more inclined to look at, I'm not sure really. 7om did a bit of a Jimmy, but they wouldn't do that again, Shirley?

[Toby]

Sorry folks, been out away from the computer since late afternoon. I thought I'd have managed to vote on my phone but hadn't had the foresight to check it's battery...

Another small shortlist is a slightly unexpected outcome at least.

[Boydy]

I nominate Niko (First nomination)

Mahow's reasoning seems sound. Although there's the possibility that he's a wolf too but I think it's more likely the wolves were trying to frame him with their Pepe kill.

[niko_cee]

Does Pepe's death story mean Murdoch investigated him ("UK media outlet")?

[Toby]

Does Pepe's death story mean Murdoch investigated him ("UK media outlet")?

Involved with Mexican cartel seems to mean nominated Pepe (i.e. Mahow is Boris).

[niko_cee]

Friends of Corbyn down to 8 as well, so Jezzamundo could bite the bullet in the next night phase if we lynch another friend. Is the idea again going to be to landslide 1 person and see where the six fall?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I nominate Niko (First nomination)

Mahow's reasoning seems sound. Although there's the possibility that he's a wolf too but I think it's more likely the wolves were trying to frame him with their Pepe kill.

Maybe I am or maybe I am not, however, the most crucial thing is that I am not Burnham...

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The only thing we know for sure right now, is that one of these is Burnham:

Mazuuurk
P_3
Niko_cee
Browning
Vim
7om

Personally, I think the strongest candidates from those are either Maz or Niko.

[Toby]

Vim and Maz have been on the 'shortlist' both times now. I can't decide if that would be a needless risk for a wolf to take, or a nice bluff.

[Ian]

I may have missed a link, has anybody done a spreadsheet?

EDIT: In fact do we even need a full one or will a comparison of the lists such as Toby has done above suffice?

[niko_cee]

It feels like the odds are quite heavily against the town now. Corbyn is likely going to die by the time Burnham II is identified (there's a 1/6 chance of a better outcome - I don't believe there would be more than one wolf in the Burnham vote now as it would just increase the chances of the town's prevailing approach succeeding). Then it's just pot luck on hitting Sturgeon. Jeremy should probably start thinking about ensuring he's seeded anything useful he knows in the thread. Not the identity of our Nicola, mind.

[P_3]

I don't buy anything Mahow spouts especially not since he's wasted the last few days fucking about after an innocent, for fuck all reason. For me it should be 7om. 7om was Hammer's 6th vote and 12th overall when it was best to vote for Pepe.

[P_3]

I nominate 7om (First nomination)

Really stupid from 7om to do what he did, considering he had other choices to make and saw what happened to Jimmy.

[niko_cee]

The thing with Maz is it would have been a mega gamble to be the first to vote for anyone, even if Hammer seemed the most likely vote winner. Then to try and switch, to lose a kill, even as a bluff in the hope of it leading to nothing, it's still a bit of a big risk. Especially as it would have drawn a lot of attention had there been no wolf kill. Certainly a bold gambit if he's Burnham.

I would be more inclined to think a middle voter (myself, Browning or Vim) would be the more likely place to try and get on the winning side. But, even then, at that stage there seemed a lot of people still had to vote. Unless they knew there were 4 others who weren't going to vote. I reckon it's probably Browning, and most of the other wolves didn't vote. He made it 4-2-2, if he knew 3 or 4 votes weren't going to happen then that would be a decent position. Perhaps this logic applies more strongly to Vim, but then he was making it quite a big margin. Vim has probably been more suss in his behaviour, mind.

7om isn't quite Jimmy situation. There were still a lot of votes to come, and it only made the margin 2 - you could say he was trying to mitigate against a double. I can't believe they would do the same again.

[P_3]

There was 10 minutes left, with little to no sign of anyone popping in with a vote. 7om seemed to be doing what needed to be done to get a night kill.

[niko_cee]

There were theoretically 8 (9 if you include 7om) left to vote when he did. When Jimmy chucked his vote in everyone bar Ian had voted hadn't they? I don't think the comparison holds.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The thing with Maz is it would have been a mega gamble to be the first to vote for anyone, even if Hammer seemed the most likely vote winner. Then to try and switch, to lose a kill, even as a bluff in the hope of it leading to nothing, it's still a bit of a big risk. Especially as it would have drawn a lot of attention had there been no wolf kill. Certainly a bold gambit if he's Burnham.

I would be more inclined to think a middle voter (myself, Browning or Vim) would be the more likely place to try and get on the winning side. But, even then, at that stage there seemed a lot of people still had to vote. Unless they knew there were 4 others who weren't going to vote. I reckon it's probably Browning, and most of the other wolves didn't vote. He made it 4-2-2, if he knew 3 or 4 votes weren't going to happen then that would be a decent position. Perhaps this logic applies more strongly to Vim, but then he was making it quite a big margin. Vim has probably been more suss in his behaviour, mind.

7om isn't quite Jimmy situation. There were still a lot of votes to come, and it only made the margin 2 - you could say he was trying to mitigate against a double. I can't believe they would do the same again.
Voting first in this case is not a defence though, it was clear that the town was going to kill Hammer, that was the plan.

Had me or Pepe been lynched it would have been a serious shock.

[niko_cee]

I agree it seemed the most likely/logical outcome.

[The Merse]

FAO

EVERYONE

Right - bit of a hiccup (again)

Erm... I had an OSX update tonight, and my office no longer works. Appears the doc's have all moved and I can't locate them, even via Terminal queries.

I now don't actually have your identities.

I know the big roles off the top of my head because of PM's etc as they were also on a separate document on Mac software but have forgotten the smaller ones.

VILLAGERS (FRIENDS OF CORBYN) & STURGEON - PM YOUR ROLES TO ME PLEASE. ASAP.

Remaining village/friends req'd to PM me their identities-
Diane Abbot
John McDonnell
Richard Burgon
Simon Fletcher
Tom Watson
Clive Lewis
Cat Smith

For now, we can carry on, but may need to place a hold on things if Sturgeon doesn't identify him/herself in time.

[igor_balis]

Sorry lads I've been hopeless in this so far, gonna go back and read through everything before i go to bed.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That is fucking brilliant :D

[Browning]

I didn't feel in a position to vote anyone but Hammer having nominated him and lead the charge. He was also only ahead by 1 vote then I voted for him, so I figured keeping it close would still happen. People after me cocked it up.

[Panda Bear]

Well, fuck. Having this job and a girlfriend to come home to is making playing this game a proper mess.

[Pepe]

Merse. :lol:

[7om]

I can understand P_3's nomination of me there as his reasoning is pretty sound but I have a couple of points to make.

The first being when I got into the thread the vote stood at 5-2-4 if the person who voted before me has counted it properly. I guess I could have gone for Pepe to even it out a little but it was looking like a two horse race and didn't want to tie it for a double either by voting Mahow.

Which leads me onto my second point. I cast my vote, according to the time next to my post, at 2.50pm EST (7.50pm GMT) so I was under the impression that voting was literally about to close. I'm not sure what time I actually did vote because I was preoccupied at work but I thought my vote may have been one of the last of the round.

[Matt]

Are we going with the same tactic of having all 6 potential Burnhams up for nomination in this round?

I nominate Vim (first nomination)

[niko_cee]

I think the idea is we decide on 1, and have the town vote to kill them, whilst the other 6 potential Burnhams vote the other way (to out Burnham/deny the wolves a night kill). Other options need to be on the ballot for this to work - as in we only currently have Maz up. I have also suffered a mini-Merse event as my computer seems to have taken upon itself to restart/update overnight and largely erase my spreadsheet.

:moop;

[Mazuuurk]

The thing with Maz is it would have been a mega gamble to be the first to vote for anyone, even if Hammer seemed the most likely vote winner. Then to try and switch, to lose a kill, even as a bluff in the hope of it leading to nothing, it's still a bit of a big risk. Especially as it would have drawn a lot of attention had there been no wolf kill. Certainly a bold gambit if he's Burnham.

I would be more inclined to think a middle voter (myself, Browning or Vim) would be the more likely place to try and get on the winning side. But, even then, at that stage there seemed a lot of people still had to vote. Unless they knew there were 4 others who weren't going to vote. I reckon it's probably Browning, and most of the other wolves didn't vote. He made it 4-2-2, if he knew 3 or 4 votes weren't going to happen then that would be a decent position. Perhaps this logic applies more strongly to Vim, but then he was making it quite a big margin. Vim has probably been more suss in his behaviour, mind.

7om isn't quite Jimmy situation. There were still a lot of votes to come, and it only made the margin 2 - you could say he was trying to mitigate against a double. I can't believe they would do the same again.


The only reason I changed my vote was because Hammer came in - past the deadline - and cast his vote. Since I had voted quite early I was only trying to even out the scores at that point.

I was full aware that my vote would likely not count, but I figured if Hammers vote would have, I may as well do it to reduce the pot of potential Burnhams.

[Mazuuurk]

I nominate Browning (first nomination)


Partly in the interest of self-preservation, but I also think like Niko that a middle voter seems the likeliest candidate for Burnham.

[Mazuuurk]

Can we get some motherfucking secondings here? :moop:

[niko_cee]

Right, I probably won't be online until after 3 now, so, I think it is either Browning or Vim.

I nominate Browning (second nomination, first nomination Maz)

We really need at least 3 or 4 so the non-lynch votes can be spread without chancing a group fail.

[Toby]

I nominate Vim (second nomination, first nomination by Matt)

Vim is probably my preferred vote at this point. He's been on the big kill twice now, both times in around the middle of voting, which seems like a handy, "well I wouldn't take that risk twice" sort of bluff.

There's a slight chance I also won't be online after 3pm, and if that happens I'd appreciate if somebody could my vote to whoever we choose to kill, obviously noting the above preference if there is still debate come that time.

[Demerit]

Oh my god Merse hahaha.

You'll have our roles, look at your sent PM's.

Also I like Mahow's theory.

[niko_cee]

Thinking about it, we (being those under scrutiny) shouldn't vote, which should remove any risk of a multiple lynch. I doubt Burham will vote unless he is the one chosen to die. They can afford a few rounds without a kill now they know who Corbyn is.

[Matt]

If we are going again with plan of the potential Burnhams voting for one person and everyone else voting for someone else (or not voting) then we need to decide who we are voting on to lynch, and also make sure we get enough people to turn up and vote.

As Toby has mentioned Vim has been involved in both kills and both times in the middle where it could be said its easier to hide so I personally think out of the 6 options he is our best bet to lynch currently

[Browning]

I won't be able to vote until around 6pm but I'm happy to vote for whoever you want, or not vote. Nothing to hide.

[CJay]

I'm back, sorry for my absence. I was away at my sister's wedding yesterday. I seem to have missed around 7 pages. :moop:

Anyone want to give me a tl;dr version of the last 2 days?

[Vim]

Among the nominees I cannot decide who is the most suspicious.

I'm thinking about Niko's post there, if none of the possible Burnham2.0s vote surely we avoid a wolves kill unless Burnham shows his hand?

[Mazuuurk]

Is deliberately abstaining from votes within the rules, though?

I mean nothing clearly is stated, other than that continous lack of participation will be punished. Although that wouldn't really be lack of "participation" either. At the same time it seems weird that not everybody should vote, never actually seen that situation before - although Nikos plan is sound (or at least I can't think of the downside?).


Merse...?

[Pleb]

Thought we had to wait for Merse to get his roles back before we can carry on.

[Mazuuurk]

Nominations closed I guess, I make that Me, Vim and Browning. 7om and Niko don't seem to have been seconded (?)



Maz - Vim - Browning




Now, I need to leave and will possibly not be back until late tonight, so I'd like to cast my vote pretty much right now, or know if I should abstain from it.
I'll vote for Vim, in that case.

[niko_cee]

You can't really vote until the town has decided who it wants to kill, as per THE PLAN. Hence my abstention suggestion. I don't see how it is any different from intentionally voting away from the crowd, really.

Of those three, as I have said, I'm inclined towards Vim or Browning. Browning seems less dense so maybe he's better kept around on the off chance neither of them are bad guys. I suppose it's 50/50 (actually 60/40) that Burnham is in the nominations. I not voting though (or leading the vote), so it's up to the rest of you to decide.

[P_3]

I'm back, sorry for my absence. I was away at my sister's wedding yesterday. I seem to have missed around 7 pages. :moop:

Anyone want to give me a tl;dr version of the last 2 days?

Day 2. Jimmy was lynched and turned out to be Burnham 1. Night 2. Corbyn was found by wolves but couldn't die because of his friends. Farage resurrected Hammer.
Day 3. Hammer was lynched for the second time to try and track down Burnham 2. Night 3. Pepe was killed by wolves. Matt replaced Magic.
Day 4. Burnham candidates, Maz, P_3, Niko, Browning, Vim and 7om were narrowed down to Maz, Browning, Vim. Voting has opened for which one of them gets lynched.