The Question Time Thread

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jenny Jones. 'People were repressed, but food was cheap and it was a good place to live.'

Sounds a bit like Tower Hamlets.

[Yevrah]

That "Corbyn thinks the death of Bin Laden was a tragedy" line is so infuriating.

[Kikó]

Yep, complete lie which is one of those which is repeated enough it becomes truth.

The GP seemed spot on then. The private companies are never held to account.

[Toby]

The shock of others in the room when I pointed out Paris Lees is transgender was quite interesting. Old man has gone particularly sheepish...

[Kikó]

I think the whole country needs an education on the budget and what is a large amount and what isn't.

[Yevrah]

The shock of others in the room when I pointed out Paris Lees is transgender was quite interesting. Old man has gone particularly sheepish...

Yep, he's gorgeous.

[Yevrah]

The old man bitch slapping that student. :D

[Kikó]

He was wrong though considering she will have a student loan.

[Yevrah]

He was wrong though considering she will have a student loan.

Will that loan cover all the costs of her training? I'd be amazed if it does.

[Yevrah]

David Dimbleby presents topical debate from London. On the panel are Conservative business and education minister Nick Boles MP, Labour's shadow minister for women Cat Smith MP, Ukip's Patrick O'Flynn MEP, Camilla Long of The Sunday Times and former editor of The Sun Kelvin MacKenzie.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Patrick O'Flynn, a Tory and Lord Mackenzie on the same panel is pretty lol.

[Lee]

Shadow Minister for Women

[Yevrah]

What's the truth with all this Lee?

[GS]

It's impossible to have a sensible conversation regarding the NHS because you have constant reference to "hard working doctors and nurses", "our NHS" and repeated claims that any attempt to change anything amounts to BACKDOOR PRIVATISATION and should thus be opposed irrespective of the merits of the argument.

[Kikó]

Oh fuck off.

It's a gaggle of cunts in the panel tonight. The hypocritic oath line was compete bastardry.

[GS]

I'm not watching the programme (I couldn't cope with the combined smugness of McKenzie and Camilla Long on one panel) - it was a general comment about the topic itself.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've turned sharply against the government on the doctory thing recently, I have to say. If you want people to do the training to be doctors in your beloved NHS, fucking stump up.

[Kikó]

It's not a money saving exercise though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I didn't really mean money by 'stump up'. Hunt is a total wrong un and needs the sack.

[GS]

I've turned sharply against the government on the doctory thing recently, I have to say. If you want people to do the training to be doctors in your beloved NHS, fucking stump up.

I know several doctors and they all hate their job. They have problems with nurses, antiquated systems, the training schedules, shelling out for their own qualifications, the way the shifts work and locums earning far more than them for the same work.

It's an endemic problem, one suspects, but I'm far from convinced they're (the government) going about any 'overhaul' in the correct way. However, the whole thing clearly needs looked at properly.

[Yevrah]

It's not a money saving exercise though.

is it, or isn't it?

It really wasn't clear from the question and the answers.

Cat Smith is awful.

[GS]

Cat Smith was over-promoted because she's mates with Corbyn and, therefore, loyal to the cause.

[Kikó]

I'd love to know the real strategy myself. It stinks.

[Kikó]

Kelvin MacKenzie is a proper wind up merchant.

[Yevrah]

Cat Smith was over-promoted because she's mates with Corbyn and, therefore, loyal to the cause.

I got that impression.

She's everything that's dreadful about Labour.

[Kikó]

Are any of the panelists at all impressive? They're either odious or compete thickos.

[Yevrah]

The Tory can at least form a coherent argument.

[Kikó]

Stick him on the odious side of the bonfire.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Camilla was the worst person there, which in the company of Patrick O'Flynn is really quite an amazing achievement.

[Lewis]

Camilla Long was created by UKIP to discredit the media.

[QE Harold Flair]

O' Flynn is fine, he just looks and sounds like a fucking weirdo. There's nothing wrong with the content of what he says, he just can't speak well in public and looks like a paedo.

[QE Harold Flair]

Shadow Minister for Women

What's Dianne Abbot doing?

[Toby]

Subtle.

[QE Harold Flair]

What position does she hold?

[Toby]

I was sort of looking forward to Question Time tonight, having not been free to watch it the past couple of weeks, but


David Dimbleby presents topical debate from Belfast.

On the panel are Conservative Northern Ireland secretary of state Theresa Villiers MP, Labour's former cabinet minister Peter Hain, deputy leader of the Democratic Unionist Party Nigel Dodds MP, Sinn Fein national chairman Declan Kearney and the comedian and writer Grainne Maguire.

[Boydy]

Even I'm not interested in that.

Not sure why they bother either as we have our own regional politics shows.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm starting to think (well, I've thought it for a while actually) that the problem with this programme is David Dimbleby. They need a younger, punchier broadcaster to raise the standards of the debate, rather than just creak in a chair whilst mentals/audience plants/plastic politicians have it all their own way.

[QE Harold Flair]

Douglas Murray is on This Week later. Going to get the tissues.

[Henry]

Douglas Murray is a homosexual, you know.

[QE Harold Flair]

That's okay, he's a right wing homo and therefore fine by me. Meanwhile, nice to see the uniformity on the panel for the 'in' campaign.

[QE Harold Flair]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaTnafzUkAALKdS.jpg


Not sure how well Farage will go down in Bradford.

[Lee]

I bet Oakeshott is such a filthy bitch.

[Toby]

Alongside that panel he'll look great.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Putting Nige up against four younger women is pretty lol.

[Boydy]

Shabana Mahmood's haircut looks silly.

[QE Harold Flair]

Where the fuck is Nige?

[Toby]

Not sure how well Farage will go down in Bradford.

He's bottled it. :harold:

[QE Harold Flair]

Yes, UKIP is the one scaremongering. Clearly.

Tobes, shut up.

[QE Harold Flair]

https://twitter.com/nigel_farage?lang=en-gb

Conspiracy!

[Toby]

Hasn't he missed/turned up late to things before and blamed traffic? He should really plan his journeys better.

Maybe he'll blame it on immigrants again.

[Lewis]

The A1 does clip some pretty immigrant-heavy areas. They could easily have mobilised.

[QE Harold Flair]

Hasn't he missed/turned up late to things before and blamed traffic? He should really plan his journeys better.

Maybe he'll blame it on immigrants again.


Yes, huhuhuh.

[Toby]

Tonight:


David Dimbleby presents from Stratford-upon-Avon. Panellists include Conservative international development secretary Justine Greening, Labour's shadow energy secretary Lisa Nandy, the SNP's John Nicolson, broadcaster June Sarpong and businessman and former Dragon Theo Paphitis.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Thank goodness for June Sarpong, that panel looks rather lightweight without her.

[Toby]

I really hadn't processed who she was from the name alone. :cab:

[Toby]

I'm completely transfixed by the warts/cysts on Justine Greening's face. I swear a new one appears every time the camera turns to her.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have a proper visceral phobia of those things, which means I can't watch.

I don't want to be Harold, but why do they have five pro-EU panellists given the topics of the day? Or is Theo a soft sceptic?

[QE Harold Flair]

She got absolutely trashed by Theo.

[Toby]

I naively thought Question Time might be free of Trump talk but apparently not. What a load of boring shit.

[QE Harold Flair]

Let's watch everyone agree that Trump is a monster. Terrific.

[Lewis]

Panellists include Conservative justice minister Dominic Raab, Labour's shadow chancellor John McDonnell, UKIP's Louise Bours, Guardian columnist Zoe Williams and former England footballer Jermaine Jenas.

I'll give that a miss. Hopefully Tefal Raab can sideline the awful UKIP woman in case she sinks the entire campaign.

[Toby]

Why do they say "panellists include..." when it's always a complete list? I should complain.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'So, the lady's question is: in the light of Sir Stuart Rose's comments about the costs and benefits of leaving the European Union, would staying in Europe really provide a better deal for British business? Jermaine Jenas.'

[Yevrah]

That does look like one of the worst panels ever.

[Toby]

Presumably Jenas being there means they're going to be talking about Adam Johnson. He doesn't appear to be involved in anything remotely political so I can't see why he'd be there for anything non-football related.

[Yevrah]

Perhaps, but I'm not sure what there is to discuss there.

[Toby]

Is he a rep of the PFA (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35719938)? There's also the criticism of Sunderland for allowing him to continue playing. Ched Evans was definitely discussed at least once on Question Time so it wouldn't be a shock.

[Yevrah]

Evans was a bit different as there were different points of view as to whether he should play post prison. Not even Harold can find a defence for Johnson, so I can't see what legs any debate will have.

That said, I agree it'll be brought up.

[Toby]

Does John McDonnell ever blink?

[Reg]

What did Jenas talk about?

[Magic]

This is in Dundee tonight, expect legions of nationalist cunts heckling and making utter bells of themselves.

[Byron]

Quite refreshing to have a QT where Harold isn't complaining about left wing bias on the panel.

[Toby]

I think I've made the comparison before but I've still never seen Tim Stanley and Sandi Toksvig share a stage.

[Toby]

Anyway, the "one in a generation" stuff is an even bigger load of shit than the SNP's recent council tax changes or their petty votes on how English people are allowed to run their shops. A vote to leave the EU in which Scotland voted to remain would strike me as an obvious change of circumstance to justify another vote, and that Unionists appear to be terrified of another referendum being held suggests they think there's a chance it could go the other way. If not, what's the problem with having the vote and it coming back no again?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Because you could have 100 no votes and one yes, and the yes one would result in permanency for its favoured outcome whereas none of the no votes ever would.

Although a referendum on rejoining the UK following a disastrous independence would be pretty funny.

[Toby]

People know when they vote that leaving the Union would be permanent.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is where I deploy the opposite of the (bullshit) argument people use about pro-union/leave EU supporters being hypocrites.

[Toby]

That's a stupid argument and not one I recall ever putting forward, so I'm not sure where you're going with it.

[Toby]

It's irrelevant anyway because the way things are going even Scotland is going to vote leave.

[GS]

The problem with constantly running referenda is that it eats the political cycle. You can't have a major referenda on a constitutional issue every time the SNP need to assuage the whinging of "the 45". It's disruptive to normal governance. Has there been any commentary in Scotland on the significant deficit run by Scotland last year or has it been glossed over?

[Toby]

It's not "constantly running referenda". The context of another referendum would be that a) people had elected to the devolved parliament a party who stood for an independent Scotland and b) there had been a material change of circumstance since the last vote (i.e. a major constitutional change). It's hardly a frivolous rehash just because a few people want to try their luck again.

And yes, the deficit stuff is being closely covered in all Scottish media.

[Magic]

THE 45ers are dismissing it as naysaying and establishment rhetoric.

[Toby]

Where '45ers' refers to the most headbangingly retarded of independence supporters, sure. A lot of the reports on it - from very much a Unionist perspective - have been outrageously over the top though. It's definitely not good news, but it's hardly the apocalypse some would like to portray.

[GS]

It underlines, on a fundamental level, the lack of a credible economic case for independence given the revenue to sustain public spending was predicated on outrageous (and clearly discredited) oil forecasts - both in terms of barrels produced and the revenue generated per barrel. It was clearly daft then, and it has proven to be so.

That's the key point I would take from this.

[Toby]

David Dimbleby presents Question Time from Chelmsford. On the panel: Conservative education secretary Nicky Morgan MP, Labour's shadow defence secretary Emily Thornberry MP, the SNP's trade and industry spokesperson Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh MP, Ukip's leader in the European Parliament Roger Helmer MEP and director of the Institute of Economic Affairs, Mark Littlewood.

Not a very interesting panel, but more to the point they've changed the "Panellists include" bit immediately after me mentioning it last week. Who is the lurker working for the BBC?

[Yevrah]

Back on now.


David Dimbleby presents Question Time from Ilford, East London. On the panel: Conservative business minister Anna Soubry MP, Labour's shadow leader of the House of Commons Chris Bryant MP, UKIP's Douglas Carswell MP, economist Ruth Lea and novelist Irvine Welsh.

[Lewis]

Daniel Hannan is on. :cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

My mum was asking about that.

'Why is Daniel Hannan saying we should leave Europe?'
'Because... that's what he does.'
'But isn't he an MEP?'

No real answer to that without showing her Farage clips, which would not be the act of a good son.

[Lewis]

'People in Doncaster aren't stupid'. Have you seen the local MP, mate?

[Magic]

I watched the episode of Bottom the other night where they bought a package holiday to Bridlington with transfers from Doncaster.

[Lewis]

I might join the SNP and reform them into a unionist party.

[Lewis]

This combover Angus Robertson has got might see that honest balds/dishonest balds theory resurrected.

[Lewis]

'People in Doncaster aren't stupid'. Have you seen the local MP, mate?

That lasted.

[Yevrah]

David Dimbleby presents topical debate from Manchester. On the panel: Conservative former chancellor of the exchequer Lord Lawson, Labour's shadow energy secretary Lisa Nandy MP, chief executive of Ryanair Michael O'Leary, poet and writer Benjamin Zephaniah and Daily Mail political editor-at-large Isabel Oakeshott.

O'Leary. :D

[Lewis]

I haven't watched this since they changed the set, and now I'm blind.

[Yevrah]

Isabel Oakeshott must be one of the best looking 40+ year olds going.

[Boydy]

Isabel Oakeshott must be one of the best looking 40+ year olds going.

Really?

Come on now.

[GS]

"My country has failed me and I'm having to move to Sweden for a free university education."

For the love of fuck.

[GS]

Lisa Nandy is properly thick as pig shit.

[GS]

She's now citing points from conversations with six and seven year olds "said to me today".

[GS]

It's another Jock episode now. Grim.

[Magic]

The guy that would blow America up...:face:

Who's the slut on the panel? I'd roger her.

[GS]

This is the first I've heard of this "named person" scheme. Fucking. Hell.

[GS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci2RDgzUUAAlDGy.jpg

Cooper. :sick:

Farron. :sick: :sick:

[Boydy]

Paul Nuttall :sick: :sick: :sick:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yvette is the only person there who isn't a fucking joke.

Walsall. Fucking hell. Not even they deserve that.

[GS]

Mrs Ed Balls has been dire recently. I know you think she's the second coming, but she does nothing other than look stern and upset when the refugee crisis is discussed. Absent that particular cause, she'd be forced to find another moral high ground to clamber onto.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Onto which to clamber.

[GS]

Cunt.

[Magic]

I hate lesbian style haircuts like that. Just so cold. I bet if Yvette had flowing locks her snatch wouldn't look like it's been dipped in liquid hydrogen.

[Lewis]

Paul Mason wrote a great Guardian article the other day. He laid out the left-wing, democratic case for leaving the European Union, and then said we should stay in until people stop voting Conservative. The baffling communist idiot.

[Boydy]

I like Paul Mason but he seems to have gone a bit nuts since that techno-communist utopia book he wrote.

[GS]

What a shit first question.

[GS]

Paul Mason is insane based on the comment he just made about Toxteth.

[GS]

Paul Nuttall is for the death penalty.

Abort. Abort. Abort.

[Yevrah]

Paul Mason is an absolute fucking shambles.

[GS]

He's fucking insane. It goes unmentioned that over 50% of the electorate voted for right or centre right parties at the last election, of course.

[Yevrah]

Obviously he's a bit of a commie, which is fine, but his argument for not voting for leave was one of the most stupid things I've heard, anywhere, ever.

[GS]

He adheres to the bizarre view exhibited by some leftists that "the right" are evil and should be resisted, irrespective of the fact that people have voted for them.

His type seem to be in a permanent state of seethe that a substantial number of the electorate, as he sees it, are acting against their own self-interest because they have been deceived or tricked rather than because they think his side may not actually be right.

[Yevrah]

Labour were awash with that mentality after the last election. "Ok, so we put a complete clown up, but he's a nice guy so it remains unfathomable why so many people voted for those baby eating tory bastards". The same thing will happen after the next election too no doubt.

[GS]

I think they genuinely believe they're right, that the Tories are "evil" and they thus simply cannot understand why people would vote against their own supposed self-interest when that is so. Tory-bashing has replaced actual policy for certain politicians on the left or centre-left - it is merely sufficient to state that you are anti-Tory to generate a cheap round of applause on Question Time.

[Lewis]

Ed Miliband is on it tomorrow with Steve Hilton. Will watch.

[GS]

I'm surprised Ed Miliband still wants any public profile after last year.

[Lewis]

Look at Steve Hilton in his stupid shirt. What a life he must lead.

[Lewis]

Shut up, Miliband, you twonk.

[Lewis]

'Would you have stopped my dad coming in?!'
'Yeah, probably. Unless he could rap. Could he rap?'

[GS]

"Would you have stopped my dad coming in?" is a terrible question. When you're talking hundreds of thousands of people, you can only ever deal in the abstract. On the immigration point, surely the issue at hand is that you want immigrants but the right type of immigrants. You can't control the quantity or quality in the EU.

I thought it was quite interesting that Miliband and Lucas were practically shouting over the other panellists. Their argument about leaving appears to view a post-Brexit scenario as one in which we isolate ourselves internationally. It's a ridiculous notion. Environmental issues is also a ridiculous argument. Until such time as America and China get their emissions under control, we're pissing into the wind. And not a single American or Chinese President is going to care what the EU say about it, because, ironically, they rather enjoy exercising sovereignty over their own countries.

You can see the debate becoming more polarising too. I still don't think Vote Leave wins, unfortunately.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'll be voting Leave because if it does win, it will be so, so funny.

[Spikey M]

I'm looking forward to the outcome either way. If we leave, Politics as we know it is fucked. We might as well make Boris queen at that point.

If we stay the UKIPers will have one of the greatest seethes in modern history. Possibly better than Alan(RicoUK)'s chimp out.

[GS]

I'll be voting Leave because if it does win, it will be so, so funny.

It would be tremendous. I'm becoming steadily more militant about it in the face of the overwhelming degree of ill-informed shite from the other side. Family holidays will be £230 cheaper, for example. Quite fucking frankly, if you're making a decision like this on the basis of a couple of hundred quid either way in one year then you should probably be barred from voting.

"We thought about continuing the fight against the Nazis, but we decided that the necessity of rationing and austerity after the war wasn't worth it."

[GS]

I'm looking forward to the outcome either way. If we leave, Politics as we know it is fucked. We might as well make Boris queen at that point.

If we stay the UKIPers will have one of the greatest seethes in modern history. Possibly better than Alan(RicoUK)'s chimp out.

It depends how close the vote is. The nature of the debate is such that I suspect the vast majority of the "Leavers" won't let it lie. It'll be like Scotland basically, and it will be a result of the awful campaign run by the 'winning' side. It's politics which is aimed to appeal to the absolute lowest common denominator.

Caroline Lucas claiming the EU is democratic, as well. It's just outright dishonesty.

[GS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj4QqjqXAAECZS8.jpg

Christ.

[Lewis]

What a comeback Neil Hamilton has engineered for himself.

[GS]

Owen Jones looks about 12.

He's complaining that he's not on the housing ladder despite creaming off hundreds of thousands of pounds from his MASSIVE publisher for his shit books. :harold:

[GS]

You'd think you could get a more impressive speaker than Frank Field.

[GS]

Owen Jones is genuinely incapable of answering a question without citing the Tories as a problem. Dimbleby slapping him down for talking shite. :cool: