The New Years diet fred (No Tims allowed)

[Spikey M]

Following on from the New Years Resolution thread, I thought we should start a thread to chart our dieting progress.

I have rejoined the gym and done next weeks food shop. Not a crisp in sight. Let's do this.

[Boydy]

Yeah, I'll be on the no carb thing again come Tuesday. It seemed to work quite well when I did it a few months ago. December's been a disaster though.

[Kikó]

Why didn't you do it last week?

[Giggles]

I should but I know well I won't.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'll be attempting to lose as much as possible by April.

I don't want to look like a beached whale in LA.

[Giggles]

Why can't Celtic fans diet?

[Boydy]

Historical memory of the famine.

[Giggles]

Historical memory of the famine.

You think they'd be really good at it then.

[Shindig]

I'll be attempting to lose as much as possible by April.

I don't want to look like a beached whale in LA.

Relax. America is a land of beached whales.

[Foe]

I bought myself a spin bike for the flat and a set of scales.

I was 87.5kg early yesterday and by this morning I was 83.0 kg. I'm currently 83.9 kg.

The power of being hungry (and actually going to the gym more regularly). :cool:

[Giggles]

What's that in English?

I used to love the spinning a few years ago. Of all the stuff we did that was the biggest rush.

[Spikey M]

for those of you that don't know; 'Spinning' is cycling for women and gay people.

[Foe]

for those of you that don't know; 'Spinning' is cycling for women and gay people.

It's fine, I can wear my gym tights and get in the mood.

[Offshore Toon]

I'm in. I've been going to the gym frequently since September, as well as playing badminton and going for the odd run, I just need to sort my eating. I've definitely packed on about a stone over Christmas, as is tradition, so from here I'll just cut out sugar and that should be that.

A question for the experienced lifters: is it worth trying to put on muscle whilst on a calorie deficit?

[ScousePig]

I've been running and playing football regularly, and my girlfriend has been on slimming world for months so weight and fitness are pretty good, but I've not been to the gym since October half term and was going less and less before that. Work and having a bit of a life have really put pay to my training, and I've lost some of my definition.

I'm aiming to go to the gym on a Monday or Tuesday evening and maintain everythings else. I should cut down on the snacking a bit because even though I'm slim I have a chubby face, but I know I won't.

[Offshore Toon]

My problem is I lose about a stone/stone and a half, then I'm pretty happy with myself and then stop bothering. I think the coming 6 months is the best opportunity I'll have for the rest of my life to properly get into shape, so I'd appreciate it if you all keep calling me a useless fat cunt until I get there. #TeamTH

[Lewis]

I'm in. I've been going to the gym frequently since September, as well as playing badminton and going for the odd run, I just need to sort my eating. I've definitely packed on about a stone over Christmas, as is tradition, so from here I'll just cut out sugar and that should be that.

A question for the experienced lifters: is it worth trying to put on muscle whilst on a calorie deficit?

Not really. Just try to maintain what you have and lose fat.

[Offshore Toon]

I've only been doing weightlifting for about a month, so its not like its a big deal. How do people hold on to what they've got? Is there a certain amount of protein intake required? Do you have to just keep lifting at the same weight?

[Lewis]

Basically. Lift your normal weights, eat enough protein. You will probably lose some muscle mass/strength as it goes on (if you're doing it for six months), but far, far less than you would just not eating and running yourself into the ground.

[Offshore Toon]

Okay, cool. I won't be doing it for 6 months. I'm thinking 2/3 months of fairly strict dieting/starvation should do it.

[Foe]

Basically. Lift your normal weights, eat enough protein. You will probably lose some muscle mass/strength as it goes on (if you're doing it for six months), but far, far less than you would just not eating and running yourself into the ground.

It's absolutely miserable trying to lift heavy/improve when tired/hungry.

[Spikey M]

I'm in. I've been going to the gym frequently since September, as well as playing badminton and going for the odd run, I just need to sort my eating. I've definitely packed on about a stone over Christmas, as is tradition, so from here I'll just cut out sugar and that should be that.

A question for the experienced lifters: is it worth trying to put on muscle whilst on a calorie deficit?

A beginner would put muscle on whilst on a defecit, but as you've been going previously - probably not. It is possible to lose fat and gain muscle if you run at very, very close to maintenance levels but it's more likely that you'd just end up spinning your wheels.

Best off just cutting and trying to maintain the muscle you have, although you will most likely lose some.

OR, fuck all that and get on the juice.

[Spikey M]

Okay, cool. I won't be doing it for 6 months. I'm thinking 2/3 months of fairly strict dieting/starvation should do it.

You don't want to cut calories too much. Muscle is calorie hungry so your body would rather bin that than the fat. Try to eat a couple of hundred calories less than you need.

There are some calorie calculators online that will tell you what you should be eating during cutting, but they wont be hugely accurate for obvious reasons.

[Offshore Toon]

Anyone here ever tried steroids? It seems like a stupid thing to do and the only people I know that have been on them are absolute tools (I know you weren't being serious).

I think I might try and get into a routine of: wake up > morning: weightlifting > afternoon/evening: uni work/piss about > late evening: cardio. In my mind, that should set me up to beat late night snacking and also make use of the energy I have for no reason in mornings.

[Offshore Toon]

You don't want to cut calories too much. Muscle is calorie hungry so your body would rather bin that than the fat. Try to eat a couple of hundred calories less than you need.

There are some calorie calculators online that will tell you what you should be eating during cutting, but they wont be hugely accurate for obvious reasons.
A couple of hundred? Isn't it 3500 calories to lose a pound? So, 200 a day would mean a pound every two weeks. I don't have enough muscle to be bothered about keeping it. I could probably put it all back on in a month easy if I was eating properly. The quickest process seems to be rapidly lose fat and get it don.e

[Spikey M]

If you haven't gained much, then sure, lose the weight then start again. You'd have to bulk slowly too though or that fat would just go straight back on.

People generally cut/bulk slowly (a pound a week or so) because you just can't lose more fat than that that quickly. if you're losing 2 pounds a week, it's a pound of other stuff too (water, muscle, etc).

[Boydy]

I really liked weightlifting when I tried it before but the great thing about then was I could go to the gym during the day when it was empty. Fuck going in the evenings now I work full time and waiting around for equipment.

[Giggles]

for those of you that don't know; 'Spinning' is cycling for women and gay people.

Spinning is cycling without being a fucking nuisance to everyone around you.

[Spikey M]

if you don't call having an erection whilst sat in an all female workout class being a nuisance, sure.

[Offshore Toon]

If you haven't gained much, then sure, lose the weight then start again. You'd have to bulk slowly too though or that fat would just go straight back on.

People generally cut/bulk slowly (a pound a week or so) because you just can't lose more fat than that that quickly. if you're losing 2 pounds a week, it's a pound of other stuff too (water, muscle, etc).
Surely its different for proper fat lads.

[Smiffy]

.....

[Offshore Toon]

'Turn your day around' is a great phrase for stuff like this. When you feel like shit, just think what little thing you can do that day to make you feel better, and that sets the momentum back in the right direction.

[Giggles]

'Turn your day around' is a great phrase for stuff like this. When you feel like shit, just think what little thing you can do that day to make you feel better, and that sets the momentum back in the right direction.

Or fuck it and buy a kilo of peanuts.

[Giggles]

I've downloaded S-Health on my phone and watch.

Skinny by March then.

[mo]

Am going to bin the chocolate, sweets and cake again, once I finished the last two chunks of this toblerone. I lost around 11 pounds in a month doing this previously (I stopped for Christmas purely because of toblerone//birthday cake) and have put on 4 lbs in that period, so hopefully a return to this will help.

[Kikó]

Giggles I use myfitnesspal to count calories and it helps me control my weight. Recommend it.

[Giggles]

Giggles I use myfitnesspal to count calories and it helps me control my weight. Recommend it.

It's not doing a very good job. You need to put on about two stone.

Seriously though, I could never be arsed putting in every food into one of those apps, they just don't have the database of brands that would be required for accuracy. The Mrs uses that one to track all her workouts but she finds the same for foods and doesn't bother.

I'm going to use this to track my water and coffee intakes though. Half for something to do on the watch, and half because I reckon I drink around 8 litres of coffee a week and 0 water and I want to see if that's accurate.

[Kikó]

I haven't found it too much of an issue as I just type in generic foods where can't find what I want. It's a pretty good ball mark indicator.

2 stone would make me 14 stone and way overweight.

[Adamski]

It's not doing a very good job. You need to put on about two stone.

Seriously though, I could never be arsed putting in every food into one of those apps, they just don't have the database of brands that would be required for accuracy. The Mrs uses that one to track all her workouts but she finds the same for foods and doesn't bother.

I'm going to use this to track my water and coffee intakes though. Half for something to do on the watch, and half because I reckon I drink around 8 litres of coffee a week and 0 water and I want to see if that's accurate.

How can you reckon you drink no water and need to track it? Surely that's just something you know?

[Giggles]

How can you reckon you drink no water and need to track it? Surely that's just something you know?

Like I said, it's for something to do. I aim to drink more water than coffee a day.

[Offshore Toon]

MyFitnessPal isn't that much of a pain once you get into the swing of things, but I still won't be using it. Ultimately its not that accurate, plus there are quite a few days where I'll end up eating more than I actually need because I'm below my goal.

[Spikey M]

Just been to the gym for the first time in over a year, my fitness levels have hit rock bottom but I'm surprised at how little strength I lost. My squat has lost about 50kg which I should be able to get back in a few months, my Bench has lost about 25kg which might take a bit longer to get back.

[Pepe]

You'll quit before the end of the month.

[Spikey M]

Fuck off Tim.

[Giggles]

Lost 25kg? Fucking hell, I don't think I could ever even lift 25kg :D

[Foe]

Lost 25kg? Fucking hell, I don't think I could ever even lift 25kg :D

Surely your wife weighs at least four times that?

[Giggles]

Surely your wife weighs at least four times that?

I don't have a wife, nor would I bench press her if I did.

[Spikey M]

Foe's claws must weigh about 25kg.

[Spikey M]

I don't have a wife, nor would I bench press her if I did.

Magic will end up deadlifting his at some point.

[Giggles]

I'm reliably informed by the mate I built up the gym with in 2013 that it was 72kg when I gave it up. That said I knew a lad could do over 150 so it's still pretty pitiful.

[Lewis]

For anyone looking to get back into benching their non-existent wife, Bulk Powders have got a third off everything (and a free shaker when you spend fifteen quid).

[Giggles]

Magic will end up deadlifting his at some point.

One armed too, as he'll need the other hand to keep the roll of carpet from curling up.

[Offshore Toon]

I managed to sleep 6 hours or so from midnight last night so my sleeping pattern should be sorted. Its important for me to have a proper routine when dieting so I can set in stone when to eat and when not. Gym was so much effort yesterday, then went for a run this morning. It may have only been 3 weeks, but I feel like I've got a lot less energy. The Jaffa Cakes from NYE are still in the cupboard, so I'm winning that battle. Papa John's have sent me an email saying they're doing 50% off pizzas at the moment, though, so that's another battle.

[Adamski]

Got a busy January and February with stags, weddings, birthdays etc so definitely on the healthy eating wagon.

For the rest of this week it'll be:

Breakfast:
Porridge, Cinnamon, Honey, Apple

Lunch:
Burrito Bowl. Chicken with Cajun spices, chopped tomatoes, roasted red onions, peppers & mushrooms with a mix of Quinoa & Brown rice.

Dinner:
Tonight - Steak with sweet potato wedges & mushrooms, green beans & sweetcorn
Tomorrow - Spaghetti Meatballs
Friday - Chicken stir fry

As next week is a full week I'll throw in some egg muffins for alternate breakfasts & change up the flavoured chicken for lunches. Maybe throw in a couple of boiled eggs for snacks.

I find I can stick to this relatively well, certainly until a Thursday at least but with busy weekends, I'm hoping I can go the full 5 days and damage limitation on Sundays.

[Magic]

Got to get a beach bod in time for my cycling trip in April. 3 months. Fuck sake.

[mo]

Not had a great start at resuming the diet. Two false starts so far, think its due to not being in a proper routine yet (3 proper days at work, haven't shopped properly, etc). Will try again tomorrow.

[Offshore Toon]

It's with deep sadness that I inform you all the Papa is on his way.

[Boydy]

:D

I'm not going to be too hard on myself this week since it's back to work week. There's only so much misery you can endure.

Also someone in work brought in some millionaire's shortbreadthat was delicious so I had three bits of it (they were only small but still). It was so good. The caramel bit tasted like daim bars.

[Giggles]

What's Papa? Do you have Papa Johns over there?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I had a McDonalds on Monday :(

I think I'll be doing a lot better come Monday though as my Mum and Sister are going on holiday for 10 days.

I've also ordered a load of pickling jars as I think making loads of vegetable pickles (sprouts and cauliflower will be first up) might be good.

[Reg]

I'm doing better than I have done in a long while on my high protein, low carb, low Gi diet. But not nailing it yet - sometimes having a small glass of smoothie after a meal, and eating dark chocolate as a compromise (low sugar if you get 75%+ cocoa bars, to be fair).

[Offshore Toon]

:D

I'm not going to be too hard on myself this week since it's back to work week. There's only so much misery you can endure.

Also someone in work brought in some millionaire's shortbreadthat was delicious so I had three bits of it (they were only small but still). It was so good. The caramel bit tasted like daim bars.
With sweet stuff like that I can probably consume 1,000 calories in two minutes and it not even dent my hunger. Stunning.

Having come to terms with what I've done tonight, I will bounce back stronger than ever tomorrow.

[Lewis]

You might as well eat spent matches once you get into that all-cocoa territory.

[Offshore Toon]

I prefer really dark chocolate most of the time. Just let it melt in your mouth one block at a time.

[Giggles]

I prefer really dark chocolate most of the time. Just let it melt in your mouth one block at a time.

I'd rather eat 4 Yorkies in 50 seconds.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I once made the mistake of consuming cocoa nibs.

It might have been dirt though.

[Reg]

You might as well eat spent matches once you get into that all-cocoa territory.
Oh it's nowhere near as nice as other chocolate, though it seems to satisfy my sweet-craving and is better when you let it melt like Offy says.

[Offshore Toon]

As much as I'd like to switch to low/no carbs I don't think it's viable on a budget of pretty much nothing. Rice/pasta (brown/wholegrain), beans and meat is my staple lunch and dinner, and I'll keep bread around in some capacity as a quick snack but I won't be buying anymore marmite because I can go through a loaf a day easy when I'm on the good stuff. I feel like it's more important to stop eating sugar, anyway, which I've done. Then I've got protein powder which fills a hole and cures a sweet tooth if ever it pops up. I've just done quite a big shop on Amazon Pantry so won't be making any takeaway mistakes.

[Queenslander]

I need a lot more vegetables back into my dinner because I feel tired and gross ATM. No carb/low carb makes me a miserable bald which isn't fun.

[Offshore Toon]

Do you take a multivitamin? I've noticed my mood is worse whenever I run out, so they must do something.

[Spikey M]

I've last 2kg since monday. it'll be mostly water weight after all the boozing over Christmas but still pretty good going. I want to lose atleast another 10 really. 15 to be back to my ideal weight.

[Queenslander]

Do you take a multivitamin? I've noticed my mood is worse whenever I run out, so they must do something.

I haven't for 10 years. What sort of ingredients do you look for when shopping around?

[Offshore Toon]

I've last 2kg since monday. it'll be mostly water weight after all the boozing over Christmas but still pretty good going. I want to lose atleast another 10 really. 15 to be back to my ideal weight.
I think I'll be aiming for similar. I definitely don't feel as fat and sluggish as just after Christmas, which is nice, but I have no way to weigh myself here. Might post some scales when I'm back in Jersey in a couple of weeks.

I haven't for 10 years. What sort of ingredients do you look for when shopping around?
I tend to just search on Amazon by highest rating first and make sure its an A-Z multivitamin. I imagine they're all basically the same, so price does come into it as well.

[Queenslander]

Thanks mate.

[Offshore Toon]

No problem. This is the one I use currently (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Multivitamins-Minerals-Formula-Nutrition-Vegetarians/dp/B01IFGDNVS) but as its "made in UK" I'm not sure if it'll be the best option down your end.

[Adamski]

The wife is back on slimming world (she lost 2 stone in 4 months this time last year post-pregnancy) so I'm hopping on the bandwagon too.

The amount you can eat on it is unreal. Unlimited pasta, rice & noodles :drool:

[Offshore Toon]

Is it that zero calories noodles stuff or what?

I'm in a good rhythm at the moment. The amount of uni work I have to do is ridiculous, so exercise is very appealing at the moment as it means getting away from it for a bit. Got a trip back to Jersey next week for a week so I'll try not to drink, but a hiccup wouldn't exactly be unexpected since that's all anybody does.

[Giggles]

The wife is back on slimming world (she lost 2 stone in 4 months this time last year post-pregnancy) so I'm hopping on the bandwagon too.

The amount you can eat on it is unreal. Unlimited pasta, rice & noodles :drool:

That was the one I did before.

[Boydy]

A woman in my work goes to it and swears by it. It does sound pretty good too.

[Offshore Toon]

I reckon weekly meetings and weigh-ins do have a huge effect. Imagine the shame of turning up having put on weight. Everybody just looking at you like you're a useless twat.

[Adamski]

Yeah, I'm not going to meetings but the wife is.

It's not zero calorie noodles. You basically can eat unlimited amounts of meat, veg & carbs to fill you up but it needs to be a balanced meal of the 3.

You need to incorporate one thing from the healthy extra A column (Dairy) and healthy extra B column (Bread & Cereals) once a day.

https://emma4facs.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/slimming-world-healthy-extras-a.png

https://emma4facs.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/slimming-world-healthy-extras-b.png

I'm also allowed between 15-20 syns a day and you're encouraged to use at least 75% of these. If you want to have dairy or bread & cereals more than once a day, you need to syn it. Additional milk is something like 2 syns, a Freddo bar is 4 syns etc etc. Theres an app which tells you how many syns things are.

Thats basically it. So far this week I've had

Breakfast - Egg, Bacon & mushroom omelette.
Skinny Latte (5 syns)
Lunch - Chicken Pasta with cajun seasoning, cream cheese (Healthy Extra A), courgettes, red onion & pepper
Snack - Crunchy Chilli Rice Crackers (4.5 syns)
Dinner - Chicken Curry with brown rice last night, Salmon, veg & noodles tonight.

Roughly 10 syns a day, so if I want I can eat whatever is another 5-10 syns. As I hadn't had one of the Healthy Extra B's yesterday, last night I had some toast & low low cheese spread (3 syns for an additional portion of cheese spread)

Outside of that, you can still eat as much meat, veg, fruit and pasta/rice/noodles as you need to fill you up. It's the sauces etc which carry the syns.

[Giggles]

It's probably changed a bit but I remember there were loads of recipes for free sauces anyway. I've a book of them somewhere.

[Adamski]

Yeah there is, we made a pretty tasty chilli sauce the other night for homemade chips.

It's decent and being able to eat loads as long as it's the right stuff keeps me going.

Also being able to eat like a monk but then smash 2 bags of McCoys a day (7 syns each) is the kind of diet for me.

[Giggles]

I always used my B for olive oil ( I think they changed that then later on that you couldn't) because Frylight is the fucking devil. Syns were nearly always McCoys too :drool:

[phonics]

The diet listed above is probably more than what I eat normally... No wonder I'm wasting away.

Skip breakfast and add a couple of Red Bulls in there. Get on the Phonics diet. You can even chuck in a couple of pints for good measure.

[Adamski]

I always used my B for olive oil ( I think they changed that then later on that you couldn't) because Frylight is the fucking devil. Syns were nearly always McCoys too :drool:

I don't mind the Frylight, I'm sure you're not supposed to use half a bottle per meal like I do but fuck it.

[Boydy]

That Frylight stuff needs about ten speays to stop stuff sticking to the pan.

[Giggles]

You might as well piss in the frying pan as use it. The only thing was that when I made curries I made 6 portions, so one tablespoon did the onions for that much instead of the 6 it would take to make them separately. Microwaving the chopped onions for 3 minutes first helps too.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That Frylight stuff needs about ten speays to stop stuff sticking to the pan.

Yeah it's useless.

You're probably using the same amount of calories and fat as olive oil all things told.

[Adamski]

Nah, one tablespoon of oil is like 100 calories. 10-15 or so sprays gets me through the aromatics frying and meat sealing before you add liquid.

[Offshore Toon]

Yeah it's useless.

You're probably using the same amount of calories and fat as olive oil all things told.
Nothing wrong with fat. I've had success with keto in the past, but drinking got in the way of that. I can't do it at the moment because its a bit expensive for a student. Its a good diet for people working full time that can't be arsed with exercise.

[Giggles]

If I was going to follow it again I'd use the oil as my B anyway like my old book says. It worked then.

Or Syn a proper oil like rapeseed for curries.

[Lewis]

Short of preparing for a bodybuilding competition, I don't see how your choice of oil will make a difference. It's like when my friend's fat twat sister had them all drinking almond milk, as if those ninety extra calories a glass were the difference between her knuckles being visible and not.

[Giggles]

Short of preparing for a bodybuilding competition, I don't see how your choice of oil will make a difference. It's like when my friend's fat twat sister had them all drinking almond milk, as if those ninety extra calories a glass were the difference between her knuckles being visible and not.

I'd only choose rapeseed (or sunflower) over olive as the latter burns at a high heat.

[Offshore Toon]

I've got milk, almond milk and soya milk (both unsweetened) in the fridge. Generally use milk earlier in the day and soya milk later on. Almond milk gets wheeled out now and then, but its mostly there to use for curry pastes. Almond milk is the crappest alternative milk. I drink a lot of hot drinks during the day, so I do think it makes quite a big difference for me, especially since I have about 70/30 milk/water with coffee.

[Giggles]

The hazelnut milk is nice in porridge, though I normally just make it with water and stir in yogurt once it's cooked.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Hazelnut milk is awesome in smoothies.

[Adamski]

I mixed it up and had salmon with this beauty.

http://www.jamieoliver.com/news-and-features/features/lentils-and-basic-tarka-dhal-recipe/

:drool:

[ScousePig]

Fry light's been fine in my experience, but I've been used to it for years (probably going right back to my ocd and eating disorder days).

My girlfriend's been on slimming world for months, so I've been getting used to the recipes. They're pretty good, and it doesn't feel like diet food at all.

[Magic]

God you definitely need motivation not to just binge eat shit. Really struggling right now.

[Offshore Toon]

When I'm really tired I'm absolutely pathetic at resisting takeaways. The best way I can resist it is to just have a big plate of something healthy and drinking loads of water. One of the Oriental bastards got a Papa John's yesterday and it didn't make me jealous, though, so I reckon I've moved away from total fat shit mode.

[Offshore Toon]

Actually, my mate brought up kebabs on Sunday and I had to do the big plate thing at 3 in the afternoon to stop myself from ordering one. Better than a pizza, though, I reckon.

[igor_balis]

Been doing pretty alright since Saturday. Veg and mushroom risotto for dinner Saturday, a healthy(ish) roast on Sunday (loads of boiled veg, homemade onion gravy, homemade nut burgers and a few roast potatoes), aubergine, chickpea and tomato curry last night (with some awesome parathas) and tonight I just threw together my classic veg pasta sauce with some wholemeal pasta.

Chorizo and beef sausage goulash tomorrow though :drool:.

[Adamski]

Spiced chicken with a cous cous batter last night lads.

LIFE CHANGING.

[Giggles]

I prefer the double dipped smash but it's all good.

[Foe]

Pizza and then cookies for lunch today.

Derailed.

:(

[Adamski]

I prefer the double dipped smash but it's all good.

Smash pizza this weekend :cool:

[Giggles]

They're lovely. Can make a good pasty out of that base too.

[Boydy]

One thing I don't get about Slimming World is that pasta is free but bread isn't. Aren't they very similar?

[Adamski]

Bread is a different type of carbohydrate which isn't as energy dense meaning it doesn't fill you up as much.

Not many breads aren't made with butter or oil in them either.

You can have two slices of whole meal bread per day as your Healthy Extra though.

[Boydy]

Surely you want less energy dense stuff since energy = calories? You want stuff that has a large volume to fill up your stomach but doesn't have much calories.

Also, they're both wheat based so I don't see how they can be particularly 'different carbohydrates'. That's sounds a bit pseudo-sciencey.

Most normal bread is made without butter.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Bread is shite. Be more middle class.

[Boydy]

I'm getting it from an artisan bakery.

[Offshore Toon]

The normal path I run on is about 6km (3km there, 3km back). Its a hilly woodland path and is of course rather muddy at the moment so more difficult than normal. Anyway, during the first half it was the usual stop-start effort, but on the way back apart from about 200m at the start I didn't stop once. I remember about 1km in thinking this is the longest I've run in a while and I managed to carry it all the way back. Could have gone on for longer, too. The last 3-4 days I've had so much energy when in the gym/running. I reckon its the giving up sugar.

What a day. That coupled with handing in an essay without having to pull an all nighter and the Jaffa Cakes are still there from NYE.

[Offshore Toon]

And 2manydjs announced for the 11th Feb in Brighton when my mate is over. Fucking perfect. :drool:

Just remembered Wiley's new album is out too. Early contender for Day Of The Year.

[Adamski]

Surely you want less energy dense stuff since energy = calories? You want stuff that has a large volume to fill up your stomach but doesn't have much calories.

Also, they're both wheat based so I don't see how they can be particularly 'different carbohydrates'. That's sounds a bit pseudo-sciencey.

Most normal bread is made without butter.

Fuck up and eat rice.

[Giggles]

Fuck up and eat rice.

And as much as he likes :drool:

[igor_balis]

Had my first minor slip-up today. Forgot I'd agreed to go for lunch with a girl I work with before my decision to dedicate my life to wholesome eating, and ended up having a falafel burger (not too bad) with sweet potato fries (hm). Within an a couple of hours I felt so groggy and dehydrated and generally shitty. It has definitely made me even more committed to eating fresh, healthy food.

[Offshore Toon]

Yeah, I think I'll struggle if I have to eat out. Luckily I can't afford much of a varied diet.

[Spikey M]

Had my first minor slip-up today. Forgot I'd agreed to go for lunch with a girl I work with before my decision to dedicate my life to wholesome eating, and ended up having a falafel burger (not too bad) with sweet potato fries (hm). Within an a couple of hours I felt so groggy and dehydrated and generally shitty. It has definitely made me even more committed to eating fresh, healthy food.

:harold: What a tart.

[igor_balis]

Fuck you ass hole

[Adamski]

I was going to go with about 7,000. Good effort.

[niko_cee]

You drink a litre and a bit of whiskey a week?

[Offshore Toon]

Gonna try intermittent fasting in order to try and build muscle whilst losing fat. 3 day cycle like:

Day 1 - Weightlifting first thing, 2,500cal-3,000cal over course of the day, 250g-300g of protein

Day 2 - Pack in a lot of protein early on before cardio quite late at night, 1500cal over whole day, 200g-250g protein

Day 3 - Hold off on eating for as long as possible then cardio in the afternoon, 1000cal throughout day, 150g peotein

[niko_cee]

I did yes. I'd do 75 cl on a Friday night with about 4 beers. I'd have 35 cl on a Tuesday or Wednesday night.

Jesus. That's some fairly serious consumption.

[Adamski]

It's not really that much is it?

Half bottle is 5 good house measures. I go through about a bottle a week, 2-3 bottles of wine split with the wife and about 8 beers. More if I'm out.

[Giggles]

Christ, I'm glad I don't like the stuff if that's the rate people drink it at.

[Adamski]

I'm talking about a blend or bourbon or whatever with mixer.

I don't go through straight whisky like that.

[Lewis]

http://i63.tinypic.com/qohh79.jpg

[Spikey M]

I was drinking about 10 cans of beer over Friday, Saturday and Sunday and thought that was too much.

[Giggles]

You tried the doner meat Adamski?

[Offshore Toon]

My Protein have 30% off of their 30 most popular products for today only. 5kg of whey for £40.

[Adamski]

You tried the doner meat Adamski?

Think so a while back.

[Adamski]

Half a stone off in a fortnight #booya

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Really started my diet hard this week.

Currently munching down some fat free yoghurt with chopped up berries and honey toasted oats.

[Offshore Toon]

Week in Jersey wasn't good for this. In all week writing an essay with food everywhere plus two nights out. Still gaining muscle, though. Started PPL this week.

[Bartholomert]

I did yes. I'd do 75 cl on a Friday night with about 4 beers. I'd have 35 cl on a Tuesday or Wednesday night.

What the fuck

[Bartholomert]

Also I'm dieting.

[Offshore Toon]

My desire to put on muscle seems to be outweighing the desire to lose fat at the moment, so I'm eating near enough the right amount of calories to sustain my weight. As well as doing weights first thing, I'll start doing cardio in the evening to shave off 500 calories a day. That should maintain a steady loss of fat along with the ridiculous amount of protein I'm eating. Even though I'm putting on muscle quickly, I know in the back of my mind its for nothing if I still have a belly.

[Mazuuurk]

Whisky does go down a fucking treat when you don't bother about how much you drink. I won't drink a litre, but if I crack open a bottle with a mate before going out think we'll do 2 or 3 glasses, the bottle is pretty much always finished up (that does sort of fuck the evening though if you go on drinking after that).

I'm also sort of on this train. Not really, as my strategy is to make sure I train 4-5 times a week at least and not bother too much about what I eat (because that never works out in the long run for me). But as a consequence, I do eat a bit healthier really. Just doesn't feel right to stuff down a massive burger for lunch after toiling at the gym for an hour. Except maybe on fridays.

Since I'm hitting the weights a bit I dunno if I'm really supposed to lose much weight. I'd be happy to have lost 5 kilos come summer. So far I'd say I've gone down maybe 2 since november. Lost a little bit of the girth, like 2-3 cm maybe, as well. Though I don't look much different, I definitely feel a lot fitter. Been quite consistent with the gym about 2-3 times a week and about 2 sessions of cardio every week. The occasional jog as well.

Just wanna keep this up really, that's always the hard part.

[Offshore Toon]

I do eat healthily all the time, but its surprising how quickly the calories add up, especially when aiming for a protein goal. At the moment I'm aiming for around 300g of protein, maybe more to err on the safe side. I can probably cut calories from that. This PPL routine suggests 1 rest day per week, but I figure since I'm in London next weekend for a couple of nights I'll just use this week's rest day and double up next weekend. The weekend after my mate is here for 3 days, so that's another 2 minimum. I could go to the gym, but I'd feel like a bit of a dick just sacking him off for a couple of hours.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Somehow I'm 3kg (6.6 pounds) down from yesterday morning.

[Giggles]

26lbs since Jan 1st.

[Boydy]

Big dump, Mahow?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Big dump, Mahow?

Not that I'm aware of.

[Bartholomert]

I'm down as of this morning to 176.6 from 181.8 at New Yeaars. I was 215 at my peak when I graduated. I'm going on Spring Break on March 10, and hopefully will be able to get down to 165-167~ by then and finally be aesthetic.

[Offshore Toon]

To those who have experience lifting weights: how long do you reckon I can carry on with a 2 day routine of back/biceps/forearms then chest/shoulders/triceps? The last four days I've done this and recovered fine and still making gains lifting. I'll be doing cardio in the evenings, maybe pop a legs workout in once a week if I'm feeling sore. I suppose just judge it off whether I feel up to it on the day.

[Lewis]

Nice to see people taking forearms seriously. What do you do for your ears?

[Offshore Toon]

Listen to big tunes all day.

Aren't forearms worked out by hammer curls? Obviously I don't isolate for them.

[Lewis]

Most things will end up hitting your forearms indirectly though grip/stabilisation.

[Offshore Toon]

Fair enough. I know you end up working most muscles in some form every day, but thought hammer curls were aimed at forearms and biceps.

Anyway, I assume you agree with the 'just judge it on the day' sentiment.

I actually looked in the mirror today and didn't think 'fat cunt' but that I'm starting to look pretty trim. The belly is pretty much exactly as it was, but slightly dwarfed by my bulging shoulders. I'm just gonna carry on like this and then spend a month or two cutting if I have to around May/June.

[Spikey M]

Forearms :D.

In response to the question, it would be fucking difficult to avoid working some of the same muscles groups every day. I'd do a max of 5 days a week, but only with a well planned routine. Otherwise you'll just pull a muscle and be able to do fuck all.

[Lewis]

Yeah, just play it by ear for now. People get too rigid with it too early on and lose interest.

[Offshore Toon]

Well, I've done 7 days in a row so far, but even today having not slept much and being hungover things went great. I'll keep eating 300g-350g of protein and just wait until things slow down. Cheers.

[Lewis]

You don't need that much, if you were still looking for calories to ditch. You could probably get away with half.

[Offshore Toon]

I'm not too bothered about calories at the moment. Too little and I don't get anything done. I might reduce the shakes for now then and see how much of a difference it makes. I tend to just eat more protein if I'm still feeling sore.

[Giggles]

That's one advantage of being a heft, I can still function if I don't eat anything. The concept of food as fuel is completely lost on me.

[Offshore Toon]

A heft? You mean just being overweight? I can function without eating, but its just not great for mentalperformance.

[Offshore Toon]

Ordering two 15" pizzas yesterday (it was buy one, get one free) felt very dirty at the time, but I was right to listen to my body. Felt pretty good afterwards and had a (broken) sleep of around 10 hours plus had loads of energy in the gym this morning. Still a bit ill but much improved.

[Adamski]

Spaghetti meatballs for lunch today. Back on the wagon as I lost my shit last week and put 5lbs on :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I had a bad week as well.

Put back on 3 of the 4KG that I had lost.

[SvN]

I've been yoyoing since I came back from Australia just after new year, but I started again yesterday. We're moving the weekend though, so no doubt there'll be a takeaway or something while we're unpacking.

I want to get down to about 12 and a half stone, which feels fucking miles away right now. I'm currently 14 stone 10, but I reckon about 7 lbs of that isn't proper weight.

[Offshore Toon]

I had a pretty good week last week, all in all. My mate was over at the weekend and when I'm out and about drinking I don't eat at all. More of that next week and an 11 hour drum and bass rave so I'm expecting to lose a good amount that weekend. I haven't been weighing myself, but each week I'm seeing progress and feeling much better for it.

[Boydy]

I literally forgot I had dinner about an hour after having it. :moop:

[Adamski]

That's the fucking worst. No amount of realisation can undo that yearn in your heart.

[Lewis]

I had a bad week as well.

Put back on 3 of the 4KG that I had lost.

:eek:

[igor_balis]

I'd gotten down to 13 stone 4 pounds a few days ago, back up to 13 stone 6 but I'm not fussed as the lower amount was after eating basically nothing for a couple of days, and I'm still more than half a stone down from January. Aiming for around...11.5-12ish i guess, but I'm thinking more about long-term lifestyle, with the RAW FIGURES just extra motivation. I'm too oblivious to notice my body shape actually changing, so it does help.

[igor_balis]

Also I was in the pub that I used to be in almost every night for the first time in ages this weekend, and two blokes who work there asked if I'd lost weight. Yeah, I have, thanks for noticing :wub:

I'm also acutely aware that my ongoing weight loss is gonna make the hugeness of my head even more obvious, and I might have to re-learn how to walk around without tipping over, like my dad did after his stroke.

[Offshore Toon]

Upload a pic of your head.

Get on the weights. We can hold a TTH strongest man event at the end of the year.

[igor_balis]

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAwWDUwMA==/z/cH0AAOxyOMdS-t6a/$_3.JPG?set_id=2

[Offshore Toon]

Are you ginger?

[Giggles]

Are you ginger?

He has a magnificent ginger beard.

[igor_balis]

Had some NAUGHTY days recently, but because what counts as a bad day now is basically standard procedure before I started being a good boy, I'm still losing weight with a bit of indulgence, just slower.

Best example being booze - I went out and had about 6 pints on Wednesday, and the same on Friday, whereas in November I'd have put away about 3 times that in a week, and I had gotten into a totally mindless habit of eating a completely superfluous meal at 11pmish, and I'm still not sure what I was up to. Probably boredom.

[Adamski]

Superfluous - top vocab-ing beardy.

[Offshore Toon]

I've managed to turn a probable hungover takeaway day into a gym day. Not sure which is worse for me since I'm still ill, but we'll see.

[igor_balis]

From 14 stone at the end of January to 12 stone and 12 and a half pounds today, smashing it. Vegetables :cool:

[Offshore Toon]

I'm starting to stall with weightlifting, but that'll be because I can't afford to eat. Should be good for fat loss, though, so bring it on. I can bulk once I have money.

[Offshore Toon]

Anybody tried intermittent fasting before? I'm giving it a whirl now. Since Monday I've gone for a run then held off eating until about 5. I was hoping I'd be able to start eating and then have plenty of energy to go to the gym and do weights, but that wasn't the case yesterday, though I did go to the gym after only porridge/peanut butter/protein scoop at about half 6. Tonight I'll try eating a couple of meals beforehand and going about half 8/9.

[Lewis]

Multi used to swear by it, but I think it takes a while to get your body into it.

[Mazuuurk]

What he did was eat one massive meal (as big as you can muster basically) each day if I remember right? Hunter-way of eating or some such.
I think the idea being that you get your body used to not getting food all the time and taking from the reserves more (fat) the rest of the time. And also that however hungry you are, you might struggle to eat 2000+ calories in one meal every single day (you'd need to eat ice cream all the time basically), and hence you naturally eat less.


Though on fasting, a medstudent friend I have keep telling me how healthy it is as a concept to just fast for a day now and then. Not necessarily to lose weight, but it does something or another to the cells or your metabolism or your little toe or whatever, and it's all supposed to cure your future cancer and make you happy again.

[Offshore Toon]

Multi was stacked, so that's promising.

In the past when I've tried to lose weight through starving myself I've been able to go a day without eating. I don't want to go overboard, though, since I'd become miserable and not get any reading done.

[Mazuuurk]

I think a day is about what you should do anyway. Not eating for 2 or more days is probably not that healthy for you, and I think the idea is sort of to keep the body on it's toes so to speak, i.e. not necessarily get used to "i'll get a good intake of energy in about 4 hours anyway so that belly fat he has can be saved for later".

Whereas if you go overboard the body will just reduce it's metabolism instead to try to preserve energy and you won't be burning as much fat as you could be doing.


Whatever works for you though. Personally I'm trying to make some slight adjustments to my general lifestyle that I feel I can live with even after I reach a good level of healthyness. Or I'm more looking at it like, I don't want to give up alcohol and some unhealthy foods entirely for instance, but I can eat better during weekdays and probably reduce the old casual tuesday night relax-in-sofa-beer, etc. I can train about 4-5 times during the weeks, but rarely get the chance to do it during weekends. And I go abroad maybe 3-4 weeks a year on vacations where I'll usually stuff myself a bit, + x-mas etc.

Then whatever weight that ends up taking me to, that's what I will have to live with. I've gone on "time to lose weight!"-sprees before and while it always works, I always end up bouncing back up after a vacation or some such. But I feel like I've found a good formula for how to have a fairly sustainable way now. Have lost about 5-6kg since about November and it's taken me quite close to where I think I want to be.

[Kikó]

My mother in law does it and she lost loads of weight. It seems to have worked amazingly well for her and she has been able to keep it going. I can't imagine anyone actually would want to do that for a lengthy piece of time.

[Mazuuurk]

The weird thing about Fasting is that it's basically shocking the body once a week or something like that. Since that's sort of the point of it, it can't really get much easier (other than you're maybe more mentally prepared to be hungry a whole day after a while).

But I guess it's like some people prefer a good, slow 2-hour-jog whereas some people just want to get it over with and do Crossfit for 20 minutes or something.

[Offshore Toon]

I think a day is about what you should do anyway. Not eating for 2 or more days is probably not that healthy for you, and I think the idea is sort of to keep the body on it's toes so to speak, i.e. not necessarily get used to "i'll get a good intake of energy in about 4 hours anyway so that belly fat he has can be saved for later".

Whereas if you go overboard the body will just reduce it's metabolism instead to try to preserve energy and you won't be burning as much fat as you could be doing.


Whatever works for you though. Personally I'm trying to make some slight adjustments to my general lifestyle that I feel I can live with even after I reach a good level of healthyness. Or I'm more looking at it like, I don't want to give up alcohol and some unhealthy foods entirely for instance, but I can eat better during weekdays and probably reduce the old casual tuesday night relax-in-sofa-beer, etc. I can train about 4-5 times during the weeks, but rarely get the chance to do it during weekends. And I go abroad maybe 3-4 weeks a year on vacations where I'll usually stuff myself a bit, + x-mas etc.

Then whatever weight that ends up taking me to, that's what I will have to live with. I've gone on "time to lose weight!"-sprees before and while it always works, I always end up bouncing back up after a vacation or some such. But I feel like I've found a good formula for how to have a fairly sustainable way now. Have lost about 5-6kg since about November and it's taken me quite close to where I think I want to be.
Yeah, I'm considering giving up alcohol completely. I really don't enjoy it enough to put up with the cost and hangovers, but I love eating and get loads of energy from that, though when you're at a bar/club they aren't exactly serving sandwiches. Whilst I'm skint at uni I'm gonna push myself to lose as much fat as possible, then when I have money can bulk like mad.

My mother in law does it and she lost loads of weight. It seems to have worked amazingly well for her and she has been able to keep it going. I can't imagine anyone actually would want to do that for a lengthy piece of time.
It feels quite comfortable at the moment. By the time I've woken up, gotten ready, gone for a run, had a little lie in the sun (obvs won't happen every day), shower its about 3-4 hours into the day and then I'll start drinking black tea which keeps me going for about 2-3 hours. Yesterday I felt sick when I first ate at about half 5, so I reckon I could have gone on for much longer.

[Offshore Toon]

The weird thing about Fasting is that it's basically shocking the body once a week or something like that. Since that's sort of the point of it, it can't really get much easier (other than you're maybe more mentally prepared to be hungry a whole day after a while).

But I guess it's like some people prefer a good, slow 2-hour-jog whereas some people just want to get it over with and do Crossfit for 20 minutes or something.
I definitely prefer sprinting and walking as opposed to a constant slow jog. Running on off-path bike tracks keeps you on your toes the whole time you're running, as well.

[Offshore Toon]

Another question: how important is leg day? I'm running/cross trainer every day and my legs are already more muscular than necessary, so as long as I'm getting deadlifts and squats in that should be sound, shouldn't it?

[Mazuuurk]

Make sure you take care to do calves and hamstrings I'd say. I've had the problem for years that I'm "front-heavy" i.e. stronger in my chest than in my back and stronger on the front of my things than in my hamstrings, etc. That shit ends up giving you all kinds of problems later on.

My things are also very muscular, and almost improportionate to my upper body, but it's important to do your legs just as much (after all it's half your body if not more, and also the easiest way of increasing your metabolism).

What I do is I do as much legs as anything else, but I keep it light on the weights most of the time, so instead of doing like 3x10 heavy squats I might do like 200 normal squats without any weights instead - whereas I have heavier weights when training upper body (and doing deadlifts, because to me that's more Core and Back than legs, but it depends a bit on how you do them as well).

[Offshore Toon]

I'm attempting a 24 hour fast today. I'm exhausted. I'm at the 16 hour mark now, which I've done the past two days and been fine at this stage, but today its really taken it out of me. Going for a run this morning probably didn't help as I woke up aching. Still, I'll push on in the hope that it'll make 16 hour fasting easier in the long run.

[Reg]

Are you sure it's okay to have that little in three days? That's more extreme than the 5-2 diet for example.

[Offshore Toon]

I wouldn't lose weight on the 5:2 diet. Depends what you mean by okay. I don't feel great, but I'm alright. I'm assuming my body will adapt and I'll be able to sustain this diet, but otherwise I'll pack it in. In saying that, 7 hours is a long way away.

[Adamski]

It must be even more difficult if your sleep pattern is fucked. I'm a 10.30 bedder so I reckon by this time I could power through.

[Offshore Toon]

Been sleeping 1am-8am this past week. My sleeping is normally alright when I'm not staying up late on weekends.

[Shindig]

I've not slept more than a couple of hours at my parents'. Proper dusty shoebox room. Plus there's nowt in the freezer beyond ready meals. I can't live like that any more.

[Offshore Toon]

So, I failed. Ended up having a protein shake, a piece of toast with peanut butter on and then a bowl of rice/beans/tuna before falling asleep at 8pm. I then woke up about 3:30am, started reading, had a bowl of porridge with peanut butter and whey protein just after 5am but then fell asleep at around 7am and woke up at 10am. I'm going to eat normally today because I look and feel exhausted. I'm only playing badminton doubles this evening which isn't taxing at all so should be feeling good to get back into it tomorrow.

A 24 hour fast is probably much easier when you haven't already been dieting quite extremely in the days beforehand.

[Dark Soldier]

I've had to completely change my diet, exercise regime, smoking and drinking habits on doctors orders these past two weeks. Salads, fresh meat, no added salt, and limiting myself to like four pints a week max. I've dropped a stone since then, along with doing weights/squats.

Going from processed chicken, chips, pizzas etc overnight was a proper shock to the system, my body hadn't a fucking clue what was going on. Replaced my litre of Coke/Oasis a day with two litres of ice water with fresh orange as my other drink, too. Feeling fucking amazing now, however. Was fifteen stone, now fourteen.

[Boydy]

Why did you doctor order that?

Have you laid off the weed too?

[phonics]

Didn't DS get the diabetes?

[Adamski]

Why did you doctor order that?

Have you laid off the weed too?

Surely any doctor would order that given what he was eating!

[Dark Soldier]

Twice I've had blood pressure issues. Not diabetes, but I had the issue first when younger when my diet was fine, had a full body scan and they couldn't find an issue, went a couple of weeks back and its high again, so he told me to change my lifestyle. If I continued the way I did, I'd probably have a stroke by mid 40s.

Not had weed for five weeks.

[mo]

It's been a battle at times, but finally down to 15 stone (was 16 early November) Plenty of ups and downs in that time, but mostly was stuck at 15'3 until today apparently (despite letting stress dictate my eating habits and eating some terrible stuff this week. Oh well. The journey to 14 begins.

[Offshore Toon]

Nice work. How tall are you?

[mo]

6"3.

[Adamski]

I'm stuck around 15 stone 4 just now. Yoyoying for a month. Aiming to hit 14 and a half by holiday end of next month then 13 and a half by Barcelona in July.

6"2.

[Offshore Toon]

I'm tempted to weigh myself but I'd have to use the scales at the gym which you need to pay for and I'm not that bothered. Could do more harm than good.

[Offshore Toon]

I don't think intermittent fasting is for me. I can spread the same amount of calories out over the course of the day and be much happier. Also, I think I'm going to cram all of my exercise in at around 7pm/8pm. This past week I've had no energy to concentrate on uni work.

Maybe it would have worked if I'd given it more time, but I'm not in a position to fuck around at the moment.

[Spikey M]

I had moderate success with the 5:2 diet. Easy to suffer for a day when you know the next day will be alright. Might give it another crack, actually.

[Offshore Toon]

I might try the odd day of not eating if I'm just going to stay in and watch football all day, but I'm only getting about 1,500 calories in a day with weights and going for a run. Reg was right. It probably was a bit much.

[Offshore Toon]

I'm going to go down the starvation/keto route for a bit. I'll basically live off protein shakes and, when affordable, meat. Keto is pretty easy once you get into the swing of things, which I think I may have done already after barely eating at the weekend.

[Adamski]

Sounds horrific.

I'm starting an 8 week learn to lift bootcamp when I come back from Marbella in 2 weeks which will take me right up to my Girona/Barca holiday in July.

Did a tester class for it last night and I'm in absolute bits today.

[Offshore Toon]

Aye, it probably will be horrific, but it'll be worth it in the long run. Last time I did keto, though, I stopped feeling any desire to really eat and had a steady stream of energy throughout the day while losing weight quickly. You just have to get through the first few days/week. Combining it with exercise will be the tricky bit.

[igor_balis]

Started to plateau a BIT. Not too fussed though cus I was losing weight very quickly - got down from 14 st to 12 st 10ish, pretty consistently at 2-3 pounds a week. Now it is more 2 lbs one week, gain 1lb the next, lose 1 the next week etc etc. Hovering around 12st 6lb for the last few.

By the BMI thing I'm now only 6 pounds from not being "overweight", but that doesn't take into account my huge head, fairly broad frame and having a fairly muscular body for someone who doesn't pump iron, so I'm p content right now.

Had my first real "bad old days" relapse on Monday night - I've basically stopped doing any school-night drinking, and stopped eating shit food after boozing, but I had about 5 pints then got home and had a big slice of carrot cake, and stole two of my mum's chocolate bars....oooops.

[Giggles]

I've completely given up now as it's far too late to do anything of impact for the wedding.

[Bartholomert]

Crossed the 50lbs threshold of weight loss from my peak this morning (215 -> 164.6), took about 22 months. Only lost 4lbs in the last 6 weeks because I'm finally skinny / aesthetic enough for girls to like me again, so I've been going out and getting laid. Will probably keep cutting down till 155 just so I can be 'lean' and then clean bulk from there. I'm firmly of the conviction that the only way you can make real meaningful long-term progress on body composition is if you socially isolate yourself for periods of 2-3 months at a time.

[Offshore Toon]

Yeah, you can go out and not pile on calories but it's nowhere near as fun. Better to just sacrifice your life for a bit.

Anyway, gym was a lot of effort but not as bad as expecting. I reckon I'll still be able to make progress on main lifts but the accessory work will be hell.

[Lewis]

Fifteen stone at BELOW AVERAGE HEIGHT must have taken some boozing.

[Offshore Toon]

I'm starting to feel the full force of keto now. Last week I was mostly eating at maintenance level (averaging just under) but the last four days I've gone from 2,300 calories to 1,700, 1,200, 1,000 and today I haven't eaten yet but I'll try not to go over 1,000. The improvement has come as I've started running again (after 8 days not doing anything except one badminton session) so that's about 600-700 calories per day too. I haven't felt hungry and its been quite a productive day, so all good here. If I can keep this up I might just be skinny for graduation.

[summsuccess]

:nono: This makes me sad. You anywhere near Wycombe Offshore?

[Offshore Toon]

Why? And no, not really.

[SvN]

A diet where you restrict carbohydrates

[Giggles]

And your breath smells like unwashed feet.

[Offshore Toon]

What's keto?
High fat, moderate protein, low carb.

You're basically carb counting. I keep it under 20g. For meals I just fry up meats with some other little bits. You get to eat delicious food, but just small amounts. Say 500 calories worth of fried pork belly, spinach, an egg and some red Thai paste. That'd be about 3g carbs all-in-all and my main meal. For breakfast I'd have bacon/salmon and eggs, then for snacks a bit of tuna mayo or a protein shake.

[Offshore Toon]

And your breath smells like unwashed feet.
It can do for some people. I can't tell if mine is a problem (doesn't seem it) and I'm not gonna ask anybody. As long as you drink enough water I'm sure its fine.

[SvN]

I had a diet about 10 years ago where I basically just ate meat cooked in a George Foreman grill for about 2 months. I lost about 2 stone.

[summsuccess]

What's keto?

Google is your friend.

https://www.ruled.me/guide-keto-diet/

Or enemy in this case.

Do you still want me to knock something up with you tomorrow? Ever thought of getting a blood test to check your testosterone levels leedsrevolution? You should and im not being a dick. Your face gave it away then the weight gain, low moods and what not. Look up Low Testosterone and see if any applies.

Offshore Toon - stop this shit matey.

[SvN]

:D Fuck me.

[summsuccess]

Just trying to help the guy.
Was being genuine

[Offshore Toon]

Keto is great for losing weight quickly and I won't have to worry about a social life till June so I'm running with it. Once I've shed the fat I'll get in the gym and start a slow bulk.

[summsuccess]

Youre damaged in the head Offshore Toon and I dont like it. Youre a good kid the way you are and its sad that your weight issues has forced you to take such shitty steps.
The problem I have with it and I can almost detect it in your post is youll see the quick results but not the damage and that the quick results are good ones.
They arent.

Your choices are your own but I wish it was different for you. Getting fucked on whizz is good for weight loss but you dont jump to that.

[Offshore Toon]

What is the damage?

[summsuccess]

Of a ketogenic diet or the your confidence issues due to weight. Why care what people think of you, your fantastic the way you are. Is it because all the uni kids are health kicking it and you feel bigger than them or something?
Serious question not being a dick

That scares me. Kids will see your weight loss, ask you how and you tell them and then thats how these trends kick start

[Spikey M]

Should have said 'rectal tearing'.

[Giggles]

Of a ketogenic diet or the your confidence issues due to weight. Why care what people think of you, your fantastic the way you are. Is it because all the uni kids are health kicking it and you feel bigger than them or something?
Serious question not being a dick

That scares me. Kids will see your weight loss, ask you how and you tell them and then thats how these trends kick start

Kids aren't really his problem. If it works for him then that's all he needs to worry about.

[summsuccess]

Maybe if he lived with Africans and not Chinese.
Know yoiur neighbour Spike

[summsuccess]

Kids aren't really his problem. If it works for him then that's all he needs to worry about.

Thats a selfish way to look at things. Kids will be the ones wiping your old ass in years to come.
You have to look after the kids or the future is as bleak as an evening in your company from the sounds of it.
TV on, tv off.
Send you an email earlier. Sorry if pretending to be you caused you distress.

[Offshore Toon]

I've always been active, but I eat too much. I'd be lying if I said I was equally as confident when overweight and when at a healthy weight, but there isn't enough of a difference that its an issue. I've been exercising pretty much every day (sometimes twice a day) whilst at uni and its clearly diet (surplus in calories) that makes the difference. I'm 26, nearly 27, and I want to get to a physical state that I can take pride in. Why? Because why not, and I don't have much longer left where I could realistically claim I'm in my prime so I plan on making the most of the rest of my 20s. Its not that life ends at 30, but around that point you have to start thinking about growing up.

[summsuccess]

I've always been active, but I eat too much. I'd be lying if I said I was equally as confident when overweight and when at a healthy weight, but there isn't enough of a difference that its an issue. I've been exercising pretty much every day (sometimes twice a day) whilst at uni and its clearly diet (surplus in calories) that makes the difference. I'm 26, nearly 27, and I want to get to a physical state that I can take pride in. Why? Because why not, and I don't have much longer left where I could realistically claim I'm in my prime so I plan on making the most of the rest of my 20s. Its not that life ends at 30, but around that point you have to start thinking about growing up.

Theres no such thing as eating too much espeshially if your always active too. It would be more a case of eating more of the right stuff.

I sense the confidence thing and I imagine its increased tenfold due to younger kids running around campus? Your reason of why not is as good as any but dont be fooled into thinking your prime ends at 30. We have a chap called Terry who comes in and when he started working out he would have been mid 30s, hes been coming since we started and if you saw him now you would think he was in his prime.

I wonder if we could talk away from the forum one day? If not its cool but I do think you could do with some proper guidance.

[Giggles]

Thats a selfish way to look at things. Kids will be the ones wiping your old ass in years to come.
You have to look after the kids or the future is as bleak as an evening in your company from the sounds of it.
TV on, tv off.
Send you an email earlier. Sorry if pretending to be you caused you distress.

I'll take the consequences then rather than worry about other people's kids now. Hopefully I'll still have a TV when I'm sitting in my adult nappy at least.

I've no active email attached to here. Or if it's still live I don't know, or want to know, the password.

[igor_balis]

Plateaued around 12st 5lb for the last month or so, but I've been eating well 75% of the time but eating loads of shit every weekend and drinking more than I should in the week. After years of extremely good/extremely bad dieting and vast weight change, it is quite nice to have a pretty good idea of what I can get away with week to week and not turn into a fat bastard.

The ideal is to get down to just below 12 stone then just fucking stay there.

[summsuccess]

I'll take the consequences then rather than worry about other people's kids now. Hopefully I'll still have a TV when I'm sitting in my adult nappy at least.

I've no active email attached to here. Or if it's still live I don't know, or want to know, the password.

Thats sad to hear. Other peoples kids or not some of them just dont get a good start and need some guidance.
As for email neither you or Smiffy accept PMs but I want you both to know Ive stopped now.

I do have to ask though, if you didnt have your TV now do you just read a book or moan about the weather whilst sat in your nappy?

[Offshore Toon]

Theres no such thing as eating too much espeshially if your always active too. It would be more a case of eating more of the right stuff.

I sense the confidence thing and I imagine its increased tenfold due to younger kids running around campus? Your reason of why not is as good as any but dont be fooled into thinking your prime ends at 30. We have a chap called Terry who comes in and when he started working out he would have been mid 30s, hes been coming since we started and if you saw him now you would think he was in his prime.

I wonder if we could talk away from the forum one day? If not its cool but I do think you could do with some proper guidance.
There is such a thing as eating too much when you want to lose fat. I know what "the right stuff" is too, but I can't afford a lavish diet so I'm sticking to something basic. If I've got plenty of food in the house, I've got plenty of food inside of me.

I don't know why you'd think 18 year olds would reduce my confidence. They're all terrified of everything and have no idea what's going on.

Yeah, I'm only half-serious about the 'in my prime' thing. I don't plan on giving up at 30, but like it or not its a milestone for everybody and seen as a good time to start thinking about a career and a family.

If the conversation is going to be you trying to instil confidence in me and telling me to eat more then I'd rather not. I know what I'm doing and I know it'll work.

[Giggles]

Thats sad to hear. Other peoples kids or not some of them just dont get a good start and need some guidance.
As for email neither you or Smiffy accept PMs but I want you both to know Ive stopped now.

I do have to ask though, if you didnt have your TV now do you just read a book or moan about the weather whilst sat in your nappy?

No nappy yet. If I get to that stage then I'd probably just end it if I could. Definitely preferable to a book.

[summsuccess]

I was only trying to help matey but if you know what your doing then OK. It will work but it could work better is all I was getting at.
At least your active which is more than can be said for most

[summsuccess]

No nappy yet. If I get to that stage then I'd probably just end it if I could. Definitely preferable to a book.

We should encourage euthanasia in this country tbh. Starting with that local freaks thread down the page and the benefit scroungers

[summsuccess]

Thats good to hear. I was only offering help so ill shut up now :)

[Adamski]

I gained most of the weight after kicking drugs.

Preach. What a time it was though :cool:

[Offshore Toon]

Unless you're constantly buzzing, do you not end up eating shitloads when coming down/recovering?

[Offshore Toon]

Pills?

[Offshore Toon]

Fair enough. At least you moved past it. Does it not make you think you should maybe knock booze on the head too if you've had addictions in the past?

[Adamski]

Unless you're constantly buzzing, do you not end up eating shitloads when coming down/recovering?

Not when I was younger no. 20-24 eating was very much just fuel.