Mourinho will break Wenger's face

[SvN]

I will find him [Wenger] one day outside a football pitch and I will break his face

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs_RC9OXYAE4hO1.jpg

Surely this can't be real? :D

[Smiffy]

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[Lewis]

He told me in an email: 'Mister Wenger wants Cech and he thinks about money...he is wrong!!! What I want is to f*** him...Want Cech? OK, I want (Theo) Walcott or (Alex) Oxlade-Chamberlain!!! Want a top goalkeeper? OK, I want a young player, s*** with you but I can make him top.'

You're not that good, mate.

[Shindig]

Ian Ladyman. :D

[Lewis]

Lots of 'Despite his success...' posts on Arsenal Twitter, so he's donned him again by getting their fans back behind him. :drool:

[elth]

Who wrote the book? Someone with any idea? And when is the quote from?

[Magic]

LvG in disguise?

[niko_cee]

17th-25th October is going to break Jose, hopefully. 4 games in 8 days. Liverpool (A), Fenerbache (H), Chelsea (A), City [reserves] (H).

[Kikó]

I hope he does break his face. BREAK HIS FACE.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Christ knows how mad he's going to be in 10 years' time. Accusing the Port Vale manager of being a paedophile as his workmanlike Chesterfield outfit crash to another defeat.

[Magic]

Christ knows how mad he's going to be in 10 years' time. Accusing the Port Vale manager of being a paedophile as his workmanlike Chesterfield outfit crash to another defeat.

What? :D

[Kikó]

He'll be living out of bins in ten years after being sacked by Portugal 4 years prior. His new book the Destitute One fails to capture the imagination and he's seen talking down a mass murderer in a dressing gown and with a six pack of Sagres in his hand.

[Shindig]

Nah, he could still grab a job in Portugal at the big three and coast it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He could get any job in the world apart from whichever one Guardiola is in, Barcelona, and possibly Bayern. I'm sure even Madrid would have him back if it came to it. I doubt we've seen the last of him at Chelsea either.

[Adamski]

There was an interesting piece in the Guardian about him yesterday.

A lot is made of Wenger's successful first 10 years and relatively barren last 10 years, but Mourinho isn't too far away now either. A lot of success in the first 7-8 years of his career, and 'only' two titles since he left Inter in 2010.

Interesting that most of his success has came with 'lesser' teams and players who he has been able to adopt a siege mentality with compared to when he's been managing the so called establishment teams, and hasn't really been able to use that line of thinking.

[Pen]

So 'only' two titles in six years compared to none in eleven is still quite far away from being comparable. Unless you meant that both are in a downward trend compared to their best years.

[Lewis]

The logical conclusion of that is that to manage a MASSIVE club you have to be their best mate and/or be completely hands off, which appears to be doable at Barcelona and Madrid, where bin men win Champions Leagues; but, other than Leicester cheating the system last year, where else does that work (Carlo Ancelotti has won three titles in twenty years, before anyone points out his Champions' Leagues)? Alex Ferguson ran a 'siege mentality' for twenty-odd years, and 'Pep' arrived at City calling half his players fat and ditching their three biggest characters (in the crap media sense of the word); but the difference is that nobody is in any doubt that they were/are the most important part of the club, so leaking like a fanny to the media was a waste of time, because they would have been sidelined or bummed out of the country.

Whether it was there before David Moyes and 'LvG', or whether they are the reason for it (I would say the former, since their best performers tended to be those with something to prove), there is clearly a sense at United (as there was at Madrid [fair enough if you upset Ronaldo] and Chelsea) that the manager is just passing through, in which case those behind the 'rumblings' should be binned, and they should have Ryan Giggs killed just in case.

[Adamski]

So 'only' two titles in six years compared to none in eleven is still quite far away from being comparable. Unless you meant that both are in a downward trend compared to their best years.

Comparable in the sense that they won a large amount in the first half of their careers, versus a lot less in the second half.

1996 - 2006 Wenger won:

3 Premier Leagues
4 FA Cups

Post 2006:

2 FA Cups

7 in the first 10 years, compared to only 2 since.

2002 - 2010 Mourinho won:

2 x Portuguese leagues
1 Taca de Portugal
2 Premier Leagues
1 League Cup
2 FA Cups
2 Serie A
1 Coppa Italia
2 Champions league titles

Post 2010 he has won:

1 La Liga
1 Premier League
1 Copa Del Rey
1 League Cup

13 in the first period, versus 4 in the second in roughly the same period of time.

Mourinho has obviously had more success, and you can't compare league titles to FA Cups, but it's interesting nonetheless. Maybe they've both been guilty of not moving with the relative times.

Lewis knows.

[niko_cee]

Is this the de facto weekend football thread?

Andre Gray has been banned for 4 matches over comments he made 4 years ago.

:face:

[John]

Burnley being punished for something he did three clubs ago. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

They have to really or Sir Henry Winter will do a 3 page pullout about it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Also, comparing managers by total titles is a dipshit way of doing it (unless they have Fergie numbers). There's only one of each to win per season, and sometimes someone will just have a better team.

[Raoul Duke]

Portugal winning the Euros has really shat on Mourinho's chips. That was his get-out-of-jail card, as they've been managed by chancers for the whole time Ronaldo has been top, top, top. That guy (whose name I genuinely don't know and it won't ever matter) who won it ruined it for him, hence why he's now gone batshit.

[Adamski]

Also, comparing managers by total titles is a dipshit way of doing it (unless they have Fergie numbers). There's only one of each to win per season, and sometimes someone will just have a better team.

You've just explained why it's actually a really accurate way of doing it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Bollocks is it. The worst example is the retrospective criticism of Ferguson for 'only' two European titles. Two European titles is a lot, and he also lost two further finals to one of the best teams ever assembled, so bad luck but it was still excellent getting to the final. What's he supposed to do, win seven? It's not snooker.

[phonics]

Bollocks is it. The worst example is the retrospective criticism of Ferguson for 'only' two European titles. Two European titles is a lot, and he also lost two further finals to one of the best teams ever assembled, so bad luck but it was still excellent getting to the final. What's he supposed to do, win seven? It's not snooker.

You're referring to a manager that said Arsene Wenger is a specialist in failure.

[Lewis]

When Rafael Benitez got the Madrid job in 2015 it was an appointment that amazed Jose. He emailed me: ‘No way (will Benitez get it).’ He revealed he had turned down an approach to go back himself, saying: ‘President loves me and wanted me to go and clean it, clean s*** people like Pepe, Casillas, Ramos, Marcelo. I told him too late. ‘Presi thinks Zidane because of name and status but he did s*** with B team and he is afraid of that risk. Klopp is only one he can bring . . . Rafa no wayyy.’ This time Jose was wrong. A month later, in June 2015, Benitez became the boss at the Bernabeu.

Even more astonishingly, Benitez also became interim manager of Chelsea in November 2012. When the news broke we were both stunned. Jose’s message was on the money: ‘Fat rafa in cfc.’

lol though these quotes are, it all seems a bit cretinous from the author (plus the extracts read like Alan Partridge wrote them). Who is he, why did he have all of this access (and why did Mourinho feel the need to e-mail him about battering Arsene Wenger), and why has he decided to stitch him up like this?

[elth]

That proves he's a dickhead, not that titles are a reasonable way of measuring performance. (@ phonics)

[Shindig]

Arsene got to two European finals as well, for the record. Still, life after him at Arsenal will be interesting. I mean, you just need to look at United for a case study.