News of the day

[Yevrah]

Because innocent people are being hounded by internet weirdos, not because his abuser and stalker were female.

[John Arne]

That's not his fault. He's the victim, and the Guardian article basically says that he should've kept schtum.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Because innocent people are being hounded by internet weirdos, not because his abuser and stalker were female.

They've 100% found the stalker. I've seen her Twitter and Facebook posts, including a lot to him.

The male abuser though, the theories are weak as fuck.

Although I don't agree with people trying to work it out anyway, there's a reason why he decided not to name and shame which he could have easily done.

[Spikey M]

Because innocent people are being hounded by internet weirdos, not because his abuser and stalker were female.

I'm sure they'd be doing the same if a woman spoke out about her own rape and stalking, yes.

[Spikey M]

They've 100% found the stalker. I've seen her Twitter and Facebook posts, including a lot to him.

The male abuser though, the theories are weak as fuck.

Although I don't agree with people trying to work it out anyway, there's a reason why he decided not to name and shame which he could have easily done.

Link to the stalker plz.

[Lofty]

A lad I know met a bird once off Tinder, just one date, and she decided they were an item. It was mental, she managed to get into his house so she could be there when he got back, really escalated so quickly within a week. He had to get the police involved at which point she went all over social media telling everyone he was a scumbag abuser, she was fairly attractive too.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Link to the stalker plz.

This is who Reddit thinks it is:

https://twitter.com/fionaha09210946

There are quite a few tweets replying to an old Gadd account in 2014.

[niko_cee]

Bloodstained horses on the rampage in central London sounds like it was fun. Shame they seem to have all been apprehended in their bid for freedom.

[Spikey M]

The first plane to Rwanda should be full of cunts like Valerie Moore (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-68855804)


Valerie Moore, a local resident, described the sculptures as "totally inappropriate".

"If North Lincolnshire planning committee allow ... this type of theme-park installation in a residential area, surely they'd be failing the residents," she said.

Mrs Moore argued that one of the aircraft sculptures posed "a serious potential danger to life" due to its position overhanging her front garden.

"It is unsightly, not in keeping and rocks in the wind," she added.

Haggered old bat.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Better than a couple of gnomes.

[Boydy]

The first plane to Rwanda should be full of cunts like Valerie Moore (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-68855804)



Haggered old bat.

We probably should have let covid rup to get rid of a lot more of these old cunts.

[niko_cee]

Some of us said as much at the time. Golden opportunity.

Although those 'sculptures' are fucking wank.

[Luke Emia]

Would have been a massive help with the pension crisis as well.

[niko_cee]

I was reading this (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68831018) earlier and just saw a bit on the news about it and I really don't know what to make of it.

My old-fashioned brain makes me wonder what we used to do with these twats? Just let them truant and then fuck them off with no qualifications at 16 or whatever? Is wasting vast amounts of money on them and in some way giving a sense of legitimacy to their unacceptable behavior really a better solution?

The head at my kids' primary is a bit of an old fashioned type, looks like he runs a tight ship and discipline/respect is mega, far more than their previous school. School has a bit of a bad rep with the SEN parent mafia, so they send them elsewhere, which strikes me as a bit of a genius modus operandi to make sure you don't get overrun by these cunts. Was one of the reasons we chose this school after there were loads of time consuming dickheads in one of the classes at the last one.

Anxiety and mental health really need to be got to fuck.

[Don]

How the fuck is TTH meant to know the lived experiences and best ways to manage autism, you tit?

[Spikey M]

Ask Lewis.

[Gray Fox]

Problem is you can't kick the kids out once they're there. If the school kicks them out, the parents almost always side with their darling angel who can do no wrong. They appeal to the local council and will win via the 'everyone has a right to education' argument. The school is probably better off if they do truant and whatever else.

The school tends not to be able to do much. The ever increasing numbers of diagnosis/EHCPs means the school budget is stretched thinner and thinner. They end up in the most part having to spend their time on the kids like in the article. It gets worse if you have kids who are active disruptors of lessons and such.

The simple answer is they should either be home schooled or sent to a specialist school. The problem with the former is that so many parents use the school as babysitter through the day while they do their job. They would have to leave said job to teach at home full time. This will lose them money, so they would rather fight for their kid to stay in a school and be a little shit.
The latter from what I gather you need a diagnosis/EHCP if not both before they'll let you in one and even then, there may not be space in the only one near you. From scratch that process now is taking an estimated 2 years+ to get to.

[Spikey M]

The answer to Niko's question is yes. They just let them truant. I had a few kids in my year that I saw about twice a year. What were they doing the rest of the time? I don't know. But they weren't at school.

"Home schooling" is a joke. It's used exclusively by wingnuts of various types. Political, Anarchist or Religious. Either way, get it in the bin.

Specialist schools need a massive funding increase. I don't know what's happened over the last 30 years, but the number of "Special Needs" kids being born is through the roof. I suspect it's related to people having kids so late on. The older the mum, the more likely disabilities are.

[Lewis]

Does a diagnosis of autism get you the full suite of handouts and support even if you are at the lower end of the spectrum? Because anyone below Rain Man sort of can't dress himself levels should really just have to get on with it and live life like a low-level weirdo, as those sorts of people, like most of the great men of history, previously had to.

[Yevrah]

I think you all need to show a little more understanding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzvjG13w9hA

[Shindig]

I think giving a kid a diagnosis also limits their readiness to mask it. "Well, I'm autistic now so my behaviour is excusable" probably becomes more common. It's a label and they stick to it like glue, rather than make genuine attempts to adapt. There's also the idea that it's easier to diagnose than it used to be. Does that mean they're more lenient giving it out? I understand it's still a long process but the idea of someone mildly on the spectrum doubling down on their traits could happen.

[Lofty]

Like that scottish kid with tourettes absolutely abusing it :D

https://youtube.com/shorts/NFK-mK_pn1g?si=MTcVitionNf4l8_o

[Spikey M]

I think giving a kid a diagnosis also limits their readiness to mask it. "Well, I'm autistic now so my behaviour is excusable" probably becomes more common. It's a label and they stick to it like glue, rather than make genuine attempts to adapt. There's also the idea that it's easier to diagnose than it used to be. Does that mean they're more lenient giving it out? I understand it's still a long process but the idea of someone mildly on the spectrum doubling down on their traits could happen.

It's worse than that. Being a victim is a fashion accessory.

That's why 1 in 10 kids now identify as Trans (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12082949/Damning-report-finds-one-ten-schoolchildren-want-change-gender-so.html).

That's why parents are trying to scam autism diagnosis' (https://www.learningdisabilitytoday.co.uk/news/huge-surge-in-number-of-people-seeking-private-autism-assessments/)

The article blames this on delays within the NHS, which I'm sure there are, but I know of 2 kids going through private assessments right now and both have already been assessed by the NHS as "normal". I wonder how rife this is.

And those without a diagnosis just claim they have one. Or it's "anxiety and depression".

I could go on. There is no trait more desired these days, than being atypical.

[SvN]

My wife (who's a teacher) has told me about kids at her school who are diagnosed with "anger issues", which basically seems to mean that if they flip out and throw a chair after being told off, they can't be punished for it.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, one of my wife's friends has a son "diagnosed" with anger issues. Apparently it's a temporary diagnosis while they try to figure out what type of brat he really is.

This is just more nonsense caused by social media, isn't it?

[Lofty]

It's the same way every twat you know has been diagnosed with ADHD now.

[Boydy]

I wonder how many of these lot have shit parents who just stick them in front of a tablet all the time?

[Spikey M]

If anything, they're usually the type with helicopter parents.

[Magic]

It's worse than that. Being a victim is a fashion accessory.

That's why 1 in 10 kids now identify as Trans (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12082949/Damning-report-finds-one-ten-schoolchildren-want-change-gender-so.html).

That's why parents are trying to scam autism diagnosis' (https://www.learningdisabilitytoday.co.uk/news/huge-surge-in-number-of-people-seeking-private-autism-assessments/)

The article blames this on delays within the NHS, which I'm sure there are, but I know of 2 kids going through private assessments right now and both have already been assessed by the NHS as "normal". I wonder how rife this is.

And those without a diagnosis just claim they have one. Or it's "anxiety and depression".

I could go on. There is no trait more desired these days, than being atypical.

Sigh. Let me just assure you, there is no 'trait' more desired than being neurotypical.

[Spikey M]

How's the website going? :harold:

[Manc]

Like with all things there's a balance to be struck. Lord knows there were kids in my school who would have benefitted hugely from a diagnosis. Instead they were just alienated and spat out of the system. Those kids were ten a penny though.

[niko_cee]

If they ever make a drama about the post office inquiry itself the Barry from Eastenders has to be a shoe-in for the role of Jason Beer.

The Van den Bogerd witch is getting hammered at the moment.

[niko_cee]

I'd missed this being launched but, I mean, what could possibly go wrong? (https://throwflame.com/products/thermonator-robodog/)

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'd missed this being launched but, I mean, what could possibly go wrong? (https://throwflame.com/products/thermonator-robodog/)

:D

One step closer to robots taking over the World.

[Spikey M]

Shut up and take my money.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68899248

Laurence Fox absolutely fucked.

[Spikey M]

Is there a bigger spastic in the country than him?

To think he somehow got Billi Piper too. The world ain't fair.

[Yevrah]

It's nice to see him get his dues. With almost everybody (no matter how generally mental they are) there's at least something they say that makes sense, but in his case I've never heard a single word or sentence uttered that was anything other than absolutely moronic bilge.

[Lewis]

As much of a mong as he is, this case is a weird one. Those people called him a racist, so he did the old Harold thing of 'Oh well if you can make things up then so can I', called them nonces, and then, like the Arron Banks verdict, the judge appears to have found that him calling them names is worse than them calling him names because he's Laurence Fox and nobody likes him anyway. That can't be how it works surely.

[Yevrah]

I think it is how it works, in that you can pretty much call anyone a racist, no? Whether it should or not is a different matter, but I can absolutely see why it does.

[niko_cee]

Without knowing much about it, isn't it more likely a demonstrable fact that these people weren't paedophiles, so what he said was an obvious lie and obviously said to libel/defame them?

[Lewis]

The verdict was that he was unable to prove they were nonces, so bang to rights in that regard; but the judge also dismissed his counter claim that they were equally unable to prove he was a racist on the basis that saying something bad about him was less likely to damage his reputation because people think he's a cunt anyway. You could argue that the people he libelled being comparative nobodies would have a similar effect insofar as they don't have reputations to damage either.

[niko_cee]

Under cross-examination, Fox suggested there were contexts in which the phrase “I hate black people” was not racist. He said: “If a man is just released from a Ugandan jail where he’s been gang-raped by several men and he walks out and he goes: ‘I hate black people’, it’s a sort of understandable response.”

Asked whether it was racist to say “Black people in the UK should go home”, Fox replied: “Depends on what context.”

:happycry:

This is a Huntley tier legal defence.

Again, without knowing, was the judgment that calling him a racist would be unlikely to damage his reputation made on the basis that everyone already thinks he's a div/racist because he posts loads of div/arguably racist things and so, even without need to judge the substantial truth of the claims they failed the test of libel? They probably were substantially true as well.

He's just an entitled moron who's been brought up his whole life to think he's god's gift.

[Yevrah]

He is such a fucking idiot and those quotes just prove it.

[niko_cee]

Have Le Tiss and Joey Barton given their verdicts yet?

It is also dishonest to try and equivocate between calling someone a racist and calling someone a paedophile, and then give it the big :sorry: who knew isn't this a bit unfair shtick, even moreso when there is a profile disparity between the people making the claims.

[niko_cee]

The Guardian report on is wall-to-wall quality (https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/jan/29/laurence-fox-loses-libel-battle-with-twitter-x-users-he-called-paedophiles) it has to be said.

He is such a pillock.

[Spikey M]

He is a racist and there are quotes from him to support the claim. He has nothing at all to back up the idea that they're paedophiles. He is a cretin of the very, very highest order.

[Yevrah]

From that Guardian article.


During the trial, Fox dismissed the Black Lives Matter movement as “grift” and “a Ponzi scheme”. He added: “We’re all equal in the eyes of god, so all lives matter.”

:face:

[Spikey M]

Didn't BLM spend all the money donated to them on buying a load of mansions and shit. (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/04/black-lives-matter-6-million-dollar-house.html)

[Yevrah]

Oh yeah, I'm sure the charity was a grift, but it's the bolded bit I take issue with. A sure fire way to spot an absolute moron.

[Gray Fox]

"Why isn't there a white history month?!"

[Jimmy Floyd]

Has God ever been asked about the equality stuff? Other than by Lawrence Fox.

[Spikey M]

Well, weather is famously an "act of god", so these droughts and famines must be some kind of message. Maybe god's a massive racist?

[phonics]

Tbf those were punishing the collective for the failures of others.

[wullie]

Until there's a MOWO awards I'm with Lozza.

[phonics]

Until there's a MOWO awards I'm with Lozza.

The Lozza branding reads like he's a alternate universe Lizzo which is surpisingly accurate.

[John Arne]

But whyyyyy did the racist get done for being a racist?? The system, the poor guy!!!! oh noeees.

[John Arne]

Another high ranking politician is Vietnam has "resigned" / found to be corrupt. We've now lost the NA Chairman, Deputy Prime Minister, the President, economic commission chief and another President in the current term alone.

Down to bare bones now.



The ouster this week of Vietnam’s National Assembly chairman Vuong Dinh Hue, the latest in a series of high-level officials to be removed in a wide-ranging anti-corruption campaign, sets the stage for more infighting at the top of the communist nation.

The Politburo of the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) voted to remove Hue in an emergency session on April 25; and the Central Committee voted to accept his resignation the following day.

Hue is the fifth Politburo member to be ousted this term, falling to the “Blazing Furnace” anti-corruption campaign that has already claimed Deputy Prime Minister Pham Binh Minh, President Nguyen Xuan Phuc, economic commission chief Tran Tuan Anh, and President Vo Van Thuong.

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vw51eggwqo

Imagine if it only ends up working because they all go to Ireland. Shame the Good Friday Agreement prevents any sort of border checks lmao.

[Giggles]

This is all for a 'look we tried' ruse, but they know well the courts here won't let anyone be sent back to the UK. It was only out on the unsafe countries list by the very same courts a few months ago.
In reality, that shower of bastards in government here would have the whole lot of them here in a heartbeat, and more on top. They're making a fortune from it.

[Spikey M]

Have we become France?

We should secure a deal where they give us a billion a year to secure the border then stand absolutely mystified as it continues regardless. That's how this works, right?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Aux armes, citoyens.

[niko_cee]

Now to move the Rwanda processing and detention facility to a poorly guarded camp near the Irish border.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0ry09d50wo


Paul Harris had to stop working when his anxiety got so bad he would lock himself in the toilets at work.

Do articles like this deliberately go for the least obvious disabilities? Show me someone in a wheelchair or on crutches instead of some property developer from Bedfordshire. :D


He has not been able to work since then and says PIP is the "last stronghold" of benefits that can support him. He does receive employment and support allowance, but cannot claim job seekers' allowance because he says his mental health is a barrier to applying for jobs, despite previously seeking support from the Jobcentre.

Mate, just bullshit a job search diary and get an extra £50 or whatever.


They are also considering whether people with long-term conditions and disabilities would need to be assessed at all.

I guess I better start looking for work because that's one hell of a way to save time and costs. :uhoh:

[Spikey M]

The government get alot wrong, but the number of chancers signed off work with men'al 'elf is obscene.

The problem is identifying the piss takers and the genuine cases. In my line of work, I know many that fall into both camps, but I'm not sure having me decide who is and isn't taking the piss is a workable solution.

It would also be nice to have a functioning NHS to help those not taking the piss, but we're not hearing much about that side of things.

Also, why is matey boy on ESA/JSA rather than UC? He's not a pensioner. :sherlock:

Get him moved over ASAP Plz.

[Shindig]

We try to filter our cases by asking the claimants to provide medical evidence. In theory, that makes the decision at the end more robust. Unfortunately, the great British public are either excellent or horrendous at filing forms in and providing paperwork. And then you get the people that withdraw their claims because 'they don't want the hassle'. Only for them to come back a month or two later because they've changed their mind again.

Hell, I was one of those people when it took me six months of unemployment before my parents talked me into actually getting on JSA.

[Lofty]

Schrodinger's claimants, either coining it in watching Storage Wars with the big sad or being frog marched to the doctor to prove they are unfit to worm with terminal cancer.

[Luke Emia]

Have we become France?

We should secure a deal where they give us a billion a year to secure the border then stand absolutely mystified as it continues regardless. That's how this works, right?

This does seem to be the case. I have no belief that this is what the Tories intended though so I wouldn't give them too much credit. I see the Irish are now wanting to look into returning the asylum seekers as they have entered via a safe third country which could actually open up discussions on what happens with these people within the EU(although I would imagine unlikely).

Surely if you want open borders to work within the EU the only way to do so is to basically get every country to take their share of the people who are entering illegally give them all the same level of rights across every country and call it that.

In some ways I hope this Rwanda plan does work because then people will see that the number of people coming to the country isn't caused by illegal migration but is actually caused by legal migration which we could turn the taps on and off for as we pleased should we so wish to do so.

[Giggles]

:drool: International attention on it. I didn't read the article but I hope they mentioned that they were all shipped off to a field in the middle of nowhere and had all their tents and belongings dumped for St. Patricks weekend.

1784977899591782559

[niko_cee]

This whole Ireland/asylum seeker business looks like trolling of the highest order.


Britain 'comfortable' with Irish proposal on returning migrants

Check the small print.

Irish Justice Minister Helen McEntee said last week that the legislation - which is due to be published on Tuesday - would not apply to asylum-seekers who entered the UK from the European Union and then travelled on to Ireland. Sunak has said Britain will not accept returns from the EU via Ireland.

[Spikey M]

So we're just taking the ones that managed to swim from Algeria? That seems fair.

[niko_cee]

I would imagine a majority probably don't arrive from the EU but I have no idea, it all just seems a bit here's the headline, here's the reality and ne'er the twain shall meet on all sides.

[Lewis]

I feel like this (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68920517) needs more information. Surely she wasn't the full operation.

[niko_cee]

:D

I read that earlier.

Wasn't she just abusing the chronically inept/retarded?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I was going to Screwfix earlier (earning 0.85 working class coefficient points in the process) and down the side of the alleyway next to them on the industrial estate, I saw about 10 deliveroo and other such people loitering outside the grimy opening of what I presume must have been a 'dark kitchen'. We need 10 of those guys in the country earning £2 an hour each so that some cunt living in his mother's bedroom can have a £20 burger and chips.

That's why no one in the elite wants immigration stopped. That and general idiocy.

[Spikey M]

I would imagine a majority probably don't arrive from the EU but I have no idea, it all just seems a bit here's the headline, here's the reality and ne'er the twain shall meet on all sides.

Most just arrive on planes and overstay their visa. How do you sort them from the SMALL BOATS, though? It's not like they're going to offer up any information.

[niko_cee]

I did wonder how that might ever be determined, and assumed, as you say, that the position will be yes, we'd love to have them back, now just show me where it was they arrived from . . .

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-68926446

Man with sword pissing around in North London this morning.

[Spikey M]

That's a daily occurrence in London.

[SvN]

It’s the last thing you want to hear, someone running around the local area with a samurai sword.

Eyewitness Chris Bates dropping truth bombs.

[phonics]

Eyewitness Chris Bates dropping truth bombs.

https://i.imgur.com/PQ12OWs.png

[Magic]

I ran outside and then the police Tasered him there.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/4/30/0cbcfc96-7aca-4ad4-b55e-0d33f2a32791.jpg

Thank god I didn’t go down and get a bottle of milk from the local shop otherwise I would have met him

:Dhttps://www.thethirdhalf.co.uk/image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

[Yevrah]

Always a nice feeling when the rozzers justifiably take down a wrong un' who has decided it's time to bring others into the mix, less so when they put five in the noggin of an innocent electrician.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-68818509


The mother-of-two said: "I gave them my letter and their first words were, 'ooh you're dead'.

"I said, 'pardon?'. I was in shock.

"Then they put something on the computer so I could have the scan and then they just said, 'bye' and that's it."

Mrs Johnson said the experience left her "shaking like a leaf".


However, when she contacted the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) the bemused call handler told her: "On the computer you're dead".

"I said, 'I'm not, I'm still talking to you'.

"I shut down completely. I didn't talk or anything, I was in my own little bubble," she recalled.


Mrs Johnson, who is now concentrating on her hobbies of gardening and knitting, wants to move on with her life - but still wants answers.

:harold: :harold: :harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:D

[phonics]

Can Jimmy Floyd explain the Monty Panesar George Galloway thing to me. His platform seems to be 'I don't like ULEZ' and has no opinions on Gaza so I'm not sure what enticed him to it.

Is he a bit of a weirdo?

[Shindig]

I think I've dealt with two claimants who DWP have erroneously declared dead. Makes me wonder what their process is. :D

[phonics]

There must be crazy parts of the system you could exploit by being legally dead.

[Luke Emia]

Can Jimmy Floyd explain the Monty Panesar George Galloway thing to me. His platform seems to be 'I don't like ULEZ' and has no opinions on Gaza so I'm not sure what enticed him to it.

Is he a bit of a weirdo?

I was going to post about this earlier. He has definitely had mental health issues in the past and didn’t he piss up a copper a few years ago as well?

[Ian]

Pissed on a bouncer I believe.

Also definitely seems like he's not all there whenever I see him on TV and clearly either has people doing his business for him who don't give a shit about his wellbeing or he's doing it himself.

[niko_cee]

Monty. :(

Poor lad's never really been right in the head.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He isn't right in the head and has some extremely bad people around him, and has had for some time.

For some time now it's been literally anything for media exposure and this is just the latest.

[phonics]

https://i.imgur.com/Xe9RKDK.png

Sword Lad.

[Ian]

Fucking hell. :D

[Spikey M]

:D

[Lofty]

Front page aswell, tremendous.

[Disco]

Stab kid? Slash chap? Evisceration sprog?

[Kikó]

It's what he was known for. Like Jill Dando affectionately remembered as Doorstep Lady.

[Ben]

Fucking hell it's genuine. :D

[phonics]

Stab kid?

Nah that's what they call the rest of the black community.

[Disco]

Perforated urban youth.

[Shindig]

These are all great names for rap collectives.

[Gray Fox]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd1qzwjdvrlo

Everybody's Changing(venues).

[Jimmy Floyd]

Someone I know's dad is involved in the company that runs that venue, he basically hasn't been home for about 6 months because the whole thing has been a fuck up on a grand scale. Not really sure why.

[Disco]

It sounds pretty simple, they didn't finish building it before they started taking bookings.

[randomlegend]

It sounds pretty simple, they didn't finish building it before they started taking bookings.

That must be standard practice I'd have thought? Can't build a big venue and then have it sit around empty for a few months boost you arrange the first bookings.

[Disco]

I phrased that poorly, I meant taking bookings for before it was finished.

[Gray Fox]

It sounds like they've succumbed to actually expecting British contractors to finish a job when they said they would.

I don't really see why they've built it to be fair. The AO/M.E.N arena holds pretty much the same as this new one will and is in a far better location, being in the middle of the city centre, literally on top of a train station and all.

[John Arne]

Is it owned by Man City, or just located on their site?

[niko_cee]

The involvement of those who come from the desert will be why it has been built.

Palms will have been greased. Or should that be oiled?

[phonics]

1786296254982500809

Why are they announcing 'One of our officers is a pedo rapist' like they've just signed a left back from Ligue Un?

[Ian]

I assume the Met reckon this sets a dangerous precedent and that they should have blamed the six year old.

[Spikey M]

Police Forces keep doing this. From a management perspective, it's obviously an issue that they have a load of wife beating, black hating, kiddie fiddlers on the books, and they want the public to see them sorting it out. But - like most managers - they haven't bothered to think about the effect this is going to have on the Police officers that aren't horrible cunts. They're paid a pittance to do a hard and often dangerous job. Handing every scumbag they encounter a list of insults to throw at them is not going to help improve staff retention / recruitment.

[randomlegend]

1786296254982500809

Why are they announcing 'One of our officers is a pedo rapist' like they've just signed a left back from Ligue Un?

Shouldn't they have, I dunno, arrested him? What with them being the police and announcing they know he sexually assaulted a child?

[Spikey M]

Shouldn't they have, I dunno, arrested him? What with them being the police and announcing they know he sexually assaulted a child?

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[randomlegend]

Fair.

[Pepe]

Spikey with the #itk. :cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Police Forces keep doing this. From a management perspective, it's obviously an issue that they have a load of wife beating, black hating, kiddie fiddlers on the books, and they want the public to see them sorting it out. But - like most managers - they haven't bothered to think about the effect this is going to have on the Police officers that aren't horrible cunts. They're paid a pittance to do a hard and often dangerous job. Handing every scumbag they encounter a list of insults to throw at them is not going to help improve staff retention / recruitment.

The calibre in public sector PR is fucking low, to say the least. At least the force can get all the best people who want to be police officers, as well as all the worst. In the backup roles they're choosing from the 10 people who are willing to earn 5p a week to trot out this kind of low rent shit.

[Lofty]

They have skipped over a lot of issues to try and meet their recruitment targets. I saw some report ages ago saying trainees who had been caught stealing, and even assaulting a senior officer, had been kept on due to pressure to increase their numbers. Sounds good.

The long term plan should be make policing a properly professional job that has attractive salary and benefits (like early retirement) for those who reach the high standard. Instead doing it on the cheap is a race to the bottom. One Chief Inspector was complaining they had graduate recruits unwilling to work nights and weekends and being shocked by the level of confrontation and violence they were encountering :D

Maybe they all need to apprentice in top Ireland for a year to give their heads a wobble.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Palestinian flags BANNED at Eurovision, lol.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This is who Reddit thinks it is:

https://twitter.com/fionaha09210946

There are quite a few tweets replying to an old Gadd account in 2014.
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/real-baby-reindeer-martha-reveals-29112482

Reddit was right.

She's come out and threatened legal action against Gadd.

[Lofty]

Didn't she also call him a wee wazzock?

[Giggles]

:drool:

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[phonics]

I live next to the court and there was a bunch of press outside. Not normal as most of it's just drunk driving charges and that sort.


A British woman has pleaded guilty to being part of a global monkey torture network.

Holly LeGresley, 37, from Kidderminster, was a participant in a private online group that was paying people in Indonesia to kill and torture baby monkeys on video.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-68968718

[Spikey M]

Well, thanks for that. :(

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fucking hell.

[Giggles]

That is fucking insane.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm not one of these cuddly loving pro-animal people, but animal torturers need to be off the streets for good, it's as sure a sign as there is that you'll do the same to people.

[Ian]

I caught part of a documentary about that presumably when this was first going to court or something. Fucking miserable stuff.

[Lofty]

Not even going to click that link, the aussie dog torturer one a while back was my limit.

[Baz]

Aye same. I’ve watched hundreds of people burned alive or chopped up or whatever but animals! Nah mate.

Was once out on the piss and a homeless person had a dog with no paws. Ruined my day.

[Kikó]

Monkeys are wankers though.

[Giggles]

All about who you know.

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

1788204774413730259

Of course she's going on Piers.

Edit: Also, apparently a Daily Mail journo had an interview with her and has said she's now stalking him :lol:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13379157/The-real-life-Martha-Baby-Reindeer-targeting-Ive-four-day-barrage-non-stop-calls-terrifying-messages-just-like-Netflix-writes-NEIL-SEARS-type-phone-ringing-again.html


I was fully expecting to hear from her. I gave her my number because it is perfectly understandable that an interviewee would wish to contact the journalist who would be telling her story to the world, perhaps with additional thoughts and observations or to correct some facts.

But not within ten minutes of my departure. That's when the calls had begun. She called three times during my short drive home, all of which I answered and which lasted in total 19 minutes.

The next day there were ten calls, the one after that 14, and the day afterwards 24 – all of them from a No Caller ID number on screen.

And when I failed to answer - as, I have to admit I began to do as that 'No Caller ID' message kept popping up - there were the rambling stream-of-consciousness messages - just like the ones the fictional Martha leaves in the TV show.

Five messages totalling ten minutes on the first full day, nine totalling 20 minutes on the second, 16 totalling 53 minutes on the third.

These messages were not attacks on me, but on Richard Gadd, other staff who'd worked at the Camden pub, on Scottish MPs and their families.

Then on the Saturday there were 19 calls - and, as I attempted to communicate with her by email instead, 18 voice messages were left, totalling 40 minutes.

[Baz]

Sounds like she was very well portrayed :D

[randomlegend]

1788204774413730259

Of course she's going on Piers.

Edit: Also, apparently a Daily Mail journo had an interview with her and has said she's now stalking him :lol:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13379157/The-real-life-Martha-Baby-Reindeer-targeting-Ive-four-day-barrage-non-stop-calls-terrifying-messages-just-like-Netflix-writes-NEIL-SEARS-type-phone-ringing-again.html

That is absolutely incredible :D

[Clunge]

Sensational. I hope she stalks Piers next, ideally for the rest of his life.

[Giggles]

A high calibre of candidate we have.


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[Baz]

If he ran for labour round here, he'd be a shoe-in.

[-james-]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/09/man-eunuch-maker-streamed-mutilations-jailed-life-marius-gustavson


:|

[Ian]

Yeah he'll be getting a Netflix series some point soon.

[Baz]

Hopefully!

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-69006714

And the only person who goes to jail for the litany of war crimes committed by Australian [and other] forces in Afghanistan is ... *dramatic pause* ... the guy who exposed it all.

The details of his trial were proper lol as well, with all avenues of defence being ruled inadmissible on national security grounds.

The friendlyjordies youtube channel has some good stuff on it all.

[Yevrah]

That must be the least effective Whistleblowing system to ever see the light of day.

[randomlegend]

Is it really whistleblowing if you expose exactly the opposite thing to what you intended?

If he got away with it it would set the precedent that you can leak whatever you like to the press and if it happens to show any wrongdoing - whether you recognised it or not - you're in the clear.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah. There are all types of whistles. Referee's whistles, dog whistles. Sometimes in life you're Clattenburg, sometimes you're Bobby Madley.

[niko_cee]

If he got away with it it would set the precedent that you can leak whatever you like to the press and if it happens to show any wrongdoing - whether you recognised it or not - you're in the clear.

Why would this be bad?

Exposure of serious wrongdoing would normally be in the public interest, wouldn't it? Even if done somewhat unintentionally. Otherwise I think you could create some interesting scenarios if a whistleblower is required in law to have direct intent towards a specific end.

I'm also not certain it was exactly the opposite of what he was trying to expose, although perhaps his thesis that the top brass cover their own arses by picking on the minions where needed should have informed him of how this would play out.

[randomlegend]

That can't be a serious post.

[niko_cee]

Oh, ok then.

Also, somewhat typically the BBC reporting on it is dreadful, this explains why it wasn't the exact opposite of what he was trying to expose, in his own words:


“Afghan civilians were being murdered and Australian military leaders were at the very least turning the other way and at worst tacitly approving this behaviour … At the same time, soldiers were being improperly prosecuted as a smokescreen to cover [leadership’s] inaction and failure to hold reprehensible conduct to account.”

So, just because he perhaps had motivation B as his main gripe, he was very cognizant of set of facts A.

[randomlegend]

I was just going by the quote from the journalist who was in receipt of the guys evidence and what he claimed they showed.

The above quote is hard to make head nor tail of. The claim there appearing to be that military leaders were covering up troops unlawfully killing people by...prosecuting them for it?

This is the first I'm seeing of this case so perhaps you know more about it than me. I simply take issue the idea you should be able to release whatever state documents you want with any justification and get away with it if they happen to reveal wrongdoing. That is patently absurd.

[niko_cee]

I think his complaint was more that having allowed and possibly encouraged a culture of lawless/murderous machismo in the special forces it was then a little inequitable to try row back from that position and pin it on a few 'bad apples' when it became apparent that broad denial may not be a plausible strategy in terms of this information coming to light through other avenues [wikileaks etc]. Perhaps he should have been calling out the actual murdering as more of a priority.

Anyway, interesting times in France by the sounds of things. Sounds like a Heat style heist.

[John Arne]

Slovakian PM shot and rushed to hospital.


https://youtu.be/7RMmqw1aPoI?si=1xhoMc9QzShvkEgy

[Spikey M]

If it was a Bosnian would could be in trouble here.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjq5qxlgy39o


When Heidi Dodson discovered she was going to be evicted, she reached out to her local council of Thurrock in Essex for help. But it rejected her application for priority housing and said she would cope if she ended up on the streets. Two weeks after being evicted, Heidi is homeless and sleeping in a park.

Sounds shit, but this has been the reality of single men for decades at this point. Anyway....


Every evening Heidi Dodson reads her grandchildren a bedtime story and wishes them good night.

Then she quietly packs a rucksack with a torch, biscuits and some toilet roll, and makes a flask of tea, before making her way to a local park to spend the night.

Wait... what? Ok. So I assume her family are in emergency housing or something? Probably a bedsit? There's just no room at the Inn.


She ended up at her daughter’s, but the two-bedroom flat is already overcrowded with two adults and two children, plus Heidi’s adult son who was made homeless alongside her.

With the mother-daughter relationship strained through lack of space, Heidi decided it was better to remove herself from the situation, even though her daughter urged her not to sleep outdoors.

Oh. So in other words she's just being a martyr. Nothing to see here.

[Spikey M]

What's happened here, is she has presented herself to the council after being informed of their duty to house her by the Bailiff. She's completed their paperwork, making a big song and dance of the need to house her in the same area because she cares for her grandchildren. She thought that would help her case, but to the council that's just an indication that she can live with them for a bit rather than them having to find emergency housing in a local B&B or HMO for £700 a night.

So, she stamped her feet, said there's no space, they've called her bluff and now she's sat on a bench with Stevie and his heroin out of pure stubbornness. :happycry:

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3gxg4jd0ggo

Finally :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

BBC most read today is proper state of the nation stuff.

1
Baby dies after being hit by Land Rover in car park
2
'Hero' plumber's firm faked stories of kindness
3
Warning after dancer fatally choked during sex
4
Man told he is not British after 42 years in UK
5
Friends mistake Premier Inn for Northern Lights
6
Evicted grandmother now sleeping rough in park

Pretty much every state failure, corporate con and breakdown of the social contract covered in the space of those six.

[phonics]

and they're being told to boil their water in the South West because it's disease ridden.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'd like to know more about Number 5.

[Yevrah]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3gxg4jd0ggo

Finally :drool:

I can't think of the word to describe this sort of behaviour. i.e. pretending you CARE when it's only actually about financial gain (any help here TTH?), but we are absolutely riddled with it as a society now (see the mental health chancers as the lead exponents) and it really does need to stop.

[Lofty]

Grifting.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Doing a Mellin.

[Lewis]

'Man who isn't British told he isn't British' is a good story.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg6766nzx39o

A man has been found alive in his neighbour's cellar after going missing about 26 years ago.

Omar bin Omran disappeared from Djelfa, in Algeria, during the Algerian civil war in the 1990s, when he was in his late teens.

Now aged 45, Mr Bin Omran has been discovered just 200m from where he grew up.

Fucking hell.

[Ian]

Mr Bin Omran told his rescuers he had at times seen his family from his prison, but claimed he had been unable to call out for help “because of a spell that his captor had cast on him”, local media reported.

:sherlock:

[Spikey M]

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-69035051

He's dead.

[Kikó]

Exhibit 307 on why helicopters should fuck off.

[Yevrah]

Was this a helicopter crash or a helicopter “crash”?

[niko_cee]

Helicopter + fog = death

[Jimmy Floyd]

They're a useful tool for culling society's elite every now and again.

[Luke Emia]

Nothing on this earth would make me get on a helicopter. Fucking big fan is basically what they are.

[Spikey M]

"Hard landing" confirmed.

[niko_cee]

Are we going to get I'm a dinner jacket back now or has he also had a hard landing previously?

[Manc]

Small airplanes are the real death trap.

[Ben]

Small airplanes are the real death trap.

The truth. I've been on one small plane (4 people) in my life and we had to crash land. :D

[niko_cee]

Liverpool City Council said the home of The Beatles, Lightning Seeds and Atomic Kitten will become "Taylor Town" for a week.

That went downhill fast.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Ah yes, Liverpool FC, the home of legends like Kenny Dalglish, Vladimir Smicer and Steve Harkness.

[Lofty]

David N'Gog.

[John Arne]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/may/21/boxing-tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-saudi-arabia

I always find these articles staggering in there complete avoidance of the words 'Islam' or 'Muslim'. I actually think a lot of the hatred of the middle-east countries is casually xenophobia, however, if you are gonna rightly criticize the lack of rights for LGBT people or women, then at least mention the underlying reason.

[Shindig]

He lost me when he quoted "A succulent Chinese meal!?" in the opening paragraph.

[Magic]

He lost me at "I paid for it".

[Shindig]

That opener also implies he has an "un-ethical" bank account.

[Yevrah]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/may/21/boxing-tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-saudi-arabia

I always find these articles staggering in there complete avoidance of the words 'Islam' or 'Muslim'. I actually think a lot of the hatred of the middle-east countries is casually xenophobia, however, if you are gonna rightly criticize the lack of rights for LGBT people or women, then at least mention the underlying reason.

They can't because they (and others) have spent the last twenty years claiming that Islam in Britain is a wonderful thing, causing absolutely no problems whatsoever.

[niko_cee]

Thought this (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwwqp6nx14o) sounded fairly alarming.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Certainly is, I can't have you lot knowing about all the terrible posts I draft and never make it to the 'Post reply' button.

[Magic]

Thought this (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwwqp6nx14o) sounded fairly alarming.

It's fucking beyond madness. No more plugging in hardrives with saucy pictures/videos to the work laptop.

[Spikey M]

PhonicsIsACunt making it into the Internets annual word cloud. :drool:

[Shindig]

"Guys, we managed to stop this man doing a hate crime. Also, we're sorry about the universal data breach that's exposed ALL benefit claimants to fraudsters."

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd11kyy58dgo

So much going on in here.

1. Why is it in the beeb's techonology section?
2. He died in 2006, did influencers even exist then? I'm going to say no.
3. I love this sentence:

The second miracle was approved by the Pope following a meeting with the Vatican's saint-making department.
4. He should have used his miraculous curative powers on himself.
5. What sort of maniac or the parent thereof has that sort of burial situation lined up?
6. What a load of shit etc.

[Ben]

Number 6 indeed. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

I remember reading about him before. Catholics are fucking weird.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjllzkzewgno

Loving the use of the term 'enormous tv' there.

They make you read the whole thing, but fair enough, 232 inches, I think that qualifies.

[Ben]

Are ICJ rulings in any way serious or will Israel lol them off as they continue to advance?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Anything 'international' is imaginary.

[Shindig]

In this week's Co-op Arena news, Nicki Minaj and a whole lot of weed. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmll9nwz3wlo)

[John Arne]

Her apparent confusion/surprise at being arrested for essentially smuggling drugs out of the country is wonderful.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Fans blaming the venue, rather than her, should all get life bans. We're far too soft on these pathetic 'people'.

[Shindig]

Aye, the venue and the organisers can't be held responsible for this. No refunds.

[phonics]

McDonald’s has brought in a 3 for 3 quid deal and it’s the first decent thing to happen to this god forsaken country in 2 decades.

[Ben]

They already lack the space to accommodate all the drive through customers and Just Eat delivery men. Not to mention you receive their crap food in exchange.

[Baz]

6 cheeseburgers for 6 quid is decent

[Foe]

As a McDonald’s share holder I encourage you all to binge McDonald’s like you’re recreating supersize me.

[phonics]

McDonalds is a real-estate company that seels burgers. Even if they never sold another burger their value would barely move.

[Shindig]

As cheap as that deal is, I can never tolerate McDonalds that much.

[SincereTheRebel]

Only thing i tolerate from mcdonalds is the fries and the apple pie. Everything else is rubbish for me. Saying that, i have only had about five things from the menu so i dont know what im talking about.

[Magic]

As cheap as that deal is, I can never tolerate McDonalds that much.

Same, it is fucking disgusting.

[SvN]

I love McDonalds, but it makes me feel like a very distinct, unique flavour of shit afterwards.

[Giggles]

Chicken selects :cool:

[Baz]

Maccies fries are some of the worst chips in the entire universe. Literally every other high street fast food place (that I've had) shits all over them.

[Spikey M]

It's fine if you need something cheap while you're out. Otherwise, nah.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've always loved a McD's.

Haven't had one in at least a year though.

[Lewis]

Twenty box of nuggets and a McFlurry. The fries I can take or leave, but I'm not touching the other stuff.

[Manc]

Egg McMuffin is the one.

[John Arne]

I love McDonalds, but it makes me feel like a very distinct, unique flavour of shit afterwards.

This.

Also, their coffee is great value.

[John Arne]

Do you guys have Popeye's yet? Their fries are immense.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1vvr76lddxo

The UK Popeye's has been reviewed as worse than KFC.

[SincereTheRebel]

I had popeyes, just outside wembley and i was very impressed. My USA uncle is certain that KFC will be no more

[Ben]

We just do everything shit. Tim Hortons is complete wank over here whereas in Canada it’s pretty great.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We do British things well, shock horror our imitation of American things is crap.

[Lofty]

Royal Mail just been sold off to a Czech billionaire, I'm sure this will improve their service.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c722j41jyk1o

My inside sources are saying it's a pre-packaged sandwich. Step down from your meal deals, folks.

[niko_cee]

Live streamed space flight is absolutely wild.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c722j41jyk1o

My inside sources are saying it's a pre-packaged sandwich. Step down from your meal deals, folks.

My money is on bags of salad.

[phonics]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c722j41jyk1o

My inside sources are saying it's a pre-packaged sandwich. Step down from your meal deals, folks.

They can take it from my cold dead ecoli infested hands.

[Shindig]

"If one of us dies - I hope I go first." (https://news.sky.com/story/woman-mauled-to-death-posted-video-dancing-of-her-with-xl-bully-to-song-saying-i-dont-give-a-f-about-the-breed-being-banned-13148665)

[niko_cee]

Yeah, that's a scary looking dog. Absolutely massive as well.

Saw a couple muzzled up with some derelict looking owner outside the supermarket and a walking haircut came up to the guy and asked if they liked men before going in for a pat. Yeah, they love everyone mate. RIP small neighbour or related child some day soon.

[Spikey M]

I can tell you from experience that here's not a single XL Bully owner that the world wouldn't be better off without.

[Lewis]

The women who go for them all seem to have a particular look. I wonder if it's the same mindset that keeps certain women around abusive men.

[Spikey M]

The women who go for them all seem to have a particular look. I wonder if it's the same mindset that keeps certain women around abusive men.

It's just scumbag fashion. In our day they were wearing those horrible clown necklaces.

[Lewis]

To an extent, but there is a certain type of female soppiness element. When we were talking about these dogs at work (I saw one whilst driving in and somebody said I should have ran it over and saved a child down the line) the women tended more towards the 'It's not the breed it's the owner' line. Interesting theory flower. When and why did you teach your cocker spaniel to chase every bird it sees? Oh, you didn't? It just does it naturally?

[SincereTheRebel]

They need to relax with the filters.

[Spikey M]

"It's the owner, not the breed" is just pure retardation. I mean, to an extent it's true. You could probably train one to be safe around kids and many of them probably are, but dogs bite sometimes. They just do. And that's when the decision to get a 12 stone ball of muscle and teeth might just be a bit of an error.

We have a Shih Tzu and he's nipped my son when he's being a bit much. Never even broken the skin. XL Bullies just shouldn't exist.

[randomlegend]

"It's the owner, not the breed" is just pure retardation. I mean, to an extent it's true. You could probably train one to be safe around kids and many of them probably are, but dogs bite sometimes. They just do. And that's when the decision to get a 12 stone ball of muscle and teeth might just be a bit of an error.

We have a Shih Tzu and he's nipped my son when he's being a bit much. Never even broken the skin. XL Bullies just shouldn't exist.

It's well documented they have a propensity to completely snap in a way other breeds generally don't. Plenty of cases of ones who've never shown any signs of aggression through many years - including around children - and then they suddenly just rip someone to pieces with no obvious provocation.

So whilst it's true that a bad owner is likely to end up with one which is just generally aggressive, even a properly trained one with an owner who has done everything (other than owning an XL Bully) right still had the potential to be involved in one of these stories. It's not a case of them doing a warning bite after being pushed too far and doing damage because of their power. They literally just flip out of nowhere and go on a sustained attack with every intention of killing their target.

[Pepe]

It's the owner in as much as only total wankers are attracted to those stupid dogs.

[Spikey M]

It's basically the British version of Americans that buy 12 assault rifles then go full Pikachu :o face when their son goes on the rampage with one.

[niko_cee]

This guy (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/articles/c8vvy9rj5dlo) doesn't look all that West African.

:confused:

[igor_balis]

To an extent, but there is a certain type of female soppiness element. When we were talking about these dogs at work (I saw one whilst driving in and somebody said I should have ran it over and saved a child down the line) the women tended more towards the 'It's not the breed it's the owner' line. Interesting theory flower. When and why did you teach your cocker spaniel to chase every bird it sees? Oh, you didn't? It just does it naturally?
Yeah it's really weird. I work with a woman who gets REALLY EMOTIONAL when this topic comes up, and she's really sound and normal generally. I think the thing people forget is that dog breeds haven't just existed forever as part of the natural fabric of things, they've been created through selective breeding, XL Bullys to specifically be kinda like Tuco Salamanca. So they see banning them as some kinda inhumane interference, whereas it's actually to undo that exact thing.

I don't wanna get all reddit philosopher and LOGICAL FALLACIES, but i often hear people say "it's not the dogs fault" which is obviously true, as a justification for not banning them, which doesn't really make sense.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd1ddegp8zvo

Fuck me, what a shithole this country has become.

[Dquincy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd1ddegp8zvo

Fuck me, what a shithole this country has become.

These days there are a lot more SEN kids in schools from what I see. Can't work out if this is nature or nurture though.

[Baz]

These days there are a lot more SEN kids in schools from what I see. Can't work out if this is nature or nurture though.Is it not just that more things have been discovered? When I went to school literally no child was known as 'autistic' despite there being a few special cases. Now you just need to hold a pencil funny or have a strange accent and you've suddenly got one-to-one support in a special classroom and get to go for dinner 5 minutes before the 'normal' kids.

[Lewis]

I work with an ex-primary school teacher and she says that ninety-five per cent of them are just twats with twat parents who never discipline them.

[Shindig]

you don't have the legal right to smack your child unless it is 'reasonable punishment'

My dad tells a story about him smacking the grandbairn out in public and some wifey kicked off at him. Being smacked was a good way for me to know I'd gone too far.

[Magic]

There are so many ways to nurture and teach your child other than violence. Maybe if the previous generation weren't such cunts there wouldn't be such reckless abandon of parenting from millennials.

[Shindig]

Violence? It's a light smack on the arse.

[Pepe]

Reckless abandon? There is definitely a certain type that takes that approach but, if anything, parents these days are doing way too much "parenting."

[Magic]

Reckless abandon? There is definitely a certain type that takes that approach but, if anything, parents these days are doing way too much "parenting."

I'm assuming you mean Molly coddling? Let's make it clear there's good parenting and bad parenting, no such thing as too much parenting.

[Pepe]

Letting kids figure stuff out is hard when you are on top of them every second of their lives.

No interest in arguing semantics. We both know what I mean.

The issues outlined in that article such as not potty training and kids that can't communicate mostly come from the "gentle parenting" crowd.

[Shindig]

And pulling your kid out of school every day for a year because his anxiety is playing up. Wild.

[Magic]

Letting kids figure stuff out is hard when you are on top of them every second of their lives.

No interest in arguing semantics. We both know what I mean.

And it's also hard if you leave them to it. Both are examples of shit parenting, not over or under parenting and will leave the child with mental health issues in adolescence.