News of the day

[Dquincy]

If someone can answer this please, as that is a bloody good point/question.

[Spikey M]

I've said it before but I just can't take this seriously until someone explains why there are infinitely more male-female transitions than female-male.

I think the F to M's just transition, then live their lives. Where as the M's to F's make a fuss about it. Which is actually a huge argument in favour of the "trans women are real women" claim, I guess.

[randomlegend]

I've said it before but I just can't take this seriously until someone explains why there are infinitely more male-female transitions than female-male.

In sport or in general?

[Dquincy]

I think the F to M's just transition, then live their lives. Where as the M's to F's make a fuss about it. Which is actually a huge argument in favour of the "trans women are real women" claim, I guess.

Mentally ill 'women'.

[Jimmy Floyd]

In sport or in general?

In general. I haven't seen the stats but anecdotally, yeah.

It might be that males are just more disposed to it, I don't know, but I've never seen the point either raised or answered in the mainstream discourse around it.

[randomlegend]

Edit: wrote that reply before I saw yours.

The answer, it would appear, is that it isn't:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7906237/


and we have seen a steady increase in the number of FTM such that the incidence now equals that of MTF

[niko_cee]

Maybe bloke in a dress is just more of a stand out thing than a woman in 'man's clothing', which is fairly normal.

[randomlegend]

Anecdotally based on work, I've seen way more female to male trans kids than male to female. Probably 10 to 1 ratio.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Edit: wrote that reply before I saw yours.

The answer, it would appear, is that it isn't:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7906237/

Thanks, I think this is probably what I'm looking for:


If so, it raises the question of why greater number of FTM did not seek therapy previously. One possibility is that a relatively lower degree of social stigmatization of females adopting cross-gender behaviors (compared with males) allowed some alleviation of gender dysphoria in transgender males.

So presumably now, as then, male-to-females stand out more socially and that's definitely reflected in media coverage. Doesn't resolve the sport issues but makes sense in every other respect.

[Pepe]

Fwiw, that (more FTM now compared to before, which was the other way around) is why some people suggest that transgenderism is more due to social contagion nowadays, as opposed to being a Real Thing. Impressionable, insecure teenage girls being lured by internet weirdos and such.

Even the New York Times is starting to entertain the idea that transitioning as a child might not be the best thing ever: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html

[Shindig]

Anecdotally based on work, I've seen way more female to male trans kids than male to female. Probably 10 to 1 ratio.

In my job I'd say the male to females tip the scales a lot more. Maybe the lasses just aren't claiming PIP over it as much. Again, playing into some potential stigmas?

[Lewis]

The men doing it are mentally ill and/or [autistic] fetishists, which is also why they tend to be a lot more aggressive about it all, and the women doing it are mentally ill but doing this instead of being anorexic or cutting their arms or whatever else mentally ill teenage girls did when we were at school. The latter follows the former for reasons Pepe mentions.

[phonics]

such a horrible person.

[SincereTheRebel]

I think they are looking for the easier ooutcome

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68218617

[niko_cee]

Interesting when you compare that to some of the shit which is apparently absolutely fine in the eyes of the IOPC on that C4 To Catch a Copper programme. On that it seems every female officer in the Avon & Somerset region is gagging to 'pava' anyone at the drop of a hat.

[Spikey M]

Pava?

[Ben]

Some kinky dogging thing?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Vile bastard.

[randomlegend]

Pava?

Looks like it's pepper spray.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, that's what they call it.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68222807

Lol. Maybe sell a few of your houses.

[Ben]

The Pensions and Lifetime Savings Association (PLSA) uses evidence from focus groups to make the estimates.

lol

How does this shit actually make it onto BBC.

[wullie]

The rising cost of living and an expectation to offer financial support to grandchildren

Fiver in a birthday card, now fuck off

[Spikey M]

"We might own everything, but we're not made of money"

[Jimmy Floyd]

Speaking of owning everything, it looks like the pif are about to buy tennis as well. Is there some gay-only sport I can watch that will be safe from their grasp? Gladiators, I guess.

[Ian]

They already pay lots of money to get WWE over so they ain't gonna be scared off by Gladiators. The women will have to wear boiler suits though.

[Shindig]

Diving. They won't touch that. Or any winter sport.

I support this endeavour. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/68248821)

I guess the problem with the Enhanced Games is nobody at their physical peak would risk their career to participate.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-68243228

She needs charging with wasting police time if she was watching them watching her tv whilst there was a Police search underway for her the stupid bint.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/68248821

Hasn't this already been done by that icarus/epo bloke, to some extent?

Be lol if he dies or something.

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-68243228

She needs charging with wasting police time if she was watching them watching her tv whilst there was a Police search underway for her the stupid bint.

'Abbygail' is a new one.

[Shindig]

I mean, if they're waiting for the kid to come back, the might as well kill the time.

[niko_cee]

Sounds like the UK's waterways may have claimed another victim.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Tragic that our institutionally racist education system stops Muslim men from learning to swim.

[Shindig]

Tony Blair forbid it.

[Spikey M]

"He went in The Thames" sounds like utter, utter bullshit.

[Yevrah]

I've just seen someone on GB News claiming that if he did, he'll find him.

[Jimmy Floyd]

"He went in The Thames" sounds like utter, utter bullshit.

Isn't it the most likely explanation, rather than a man with half his face missing somehow not being spotted by anyone or any further CCTV camera for 2 weeks?

And as niko says, bodies of water have a winning record in the last few UK missing person mysteries.

[Spikey M]

Isn't it the most likely explanation, rather than a man with half his face missing somehow not being spotted by anyone or any further CCTV camera for 2 weeks?

I would say the most likely explanation is that he's hiding with a friend / relative.

[Ben]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/68248821

This should become a thing. Who doesn’t want to see a gassed up geezer blast the 100m in about nine seconds flat?

[Yevrah]

I can see why athletic bodies are concerned as who is going to care about their 'non-enhanced' games when someone's running the 100m half a second quicker, even if they are riddled with steroids.

[Baz]

Be amusing if he doesn’t beat the record.

[Shindig]

That's the thing. He's been retired for four years. Doesn't matter how much gear you put in, that's a lot of lost time. Swimmers peak young.

[Kikó]

I would say the most likely explanation is that he's hiding with a friend / relative.

It's the Chinese balloon. /Mahow

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/feb/10/the-joy-of-socks-why-were-all-taking-our-shoes-off-now-to-fight-those-germs

Great to see the gammon's development.

[niko_cee]

What sort of lunatic wears shoes in their house?

And maybe hold fire on praising the west:


Medine Cohen says that The Row, a luxury and trendsetting fashion brand, has “basically been trying to crack the code on how to wear shoes without looking like you’re wearing shoes for the last six seasons”. Indeed, their sold-out slip-on mesh shoe, which looks more like a structured sock than typical outdoor footwear, sells for £600.

:face:

[Giggles]

Anything is better than bare feet. Or sliders.

[Spikey M]

Socks. If it's cold, slippers.

[Gray Fox]

I keep my shoes on at home.

[Foe]

Sliders, but I have wooden floors that are freezing. If it was carpets would be socks.

Shoes off at the door. one of my pals has an “indoor” pair of trainers… trainers aren’t that comfortable.

[Giggles]

I hope you wear a vest and speak Polish to complete the look.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Shoes on indoors is disgusting.

I slip mine off at the door at home and other people's homes. I hate when they say you can keep your shoes on.

[Manc]

I'd probably ask a man of your stature to keep your shows on tbf.

[Spikey M]

It's when the trousers come down you have to worry.

[niko_cee]

I see the Thames has coughed up a few bodies, although not the one that's being looked for.

#murderousrampage

[Baz]

Having wooden floors is a worse crime than wearing shoes inside.

[Giggles]

I wasn't sure if Mahow meant shoes on indoors was bad or good.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I see the Thames has coughed up a few bodies, although not the one that's being looked for.

#murderousrampage

This via a twitter link led me down a path of reading about supposedly widespread west African child sacrifice in London which the police, equally supposedly, turn a blind eye to when the bodies are all fished out of the Thames, because it's bad for 'confidence in our communities'. One for Lewis Investigates.

[Dquincy]

Having wooden floors is a worse crime than wearing shoes inside.

What's so bad with wooden floors? Looks nice.

[Baz]

What's so bad with wooden floors? Looks nice.

Cold and bad for your feet.

[Dquincy]

Cold and bad for your feet.
Not sure how they're bad for your feet. But a porcelain or ceramic floor tile is much colder, unless you have underfloor heating.

[Spikey M]

It's happening Jimmy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68274158

[Jimmy Floyd]

:drool:

[Shindig]

Eat out to help out.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68296483

Literally all of them are an embarrassing disgrace, but 'Lioness Line' should lead to civil unrest if we still have anything left as a nation.

[Spikey M]

We don't.

[Shindig]

Just be thankful it's not Liney McLineFace

[Don]

Fucking hell, that's grim.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If they have to go cringe-woke, which no doubt they do, I'd rather they called it the Zephaniah Line or something. Naming things after people and places is cool. Naming things after concepts/values/industries is absolutely embarrassing.

[Spikey M]

The pushback against this shite is long overdue.

[phonics]

When I think of Liberty I think of grey.

[Don]

Me using the Gaza Genocide Express to reach LGBTQIA+ Airport for my flight to Ibiza in 10 years time :cool:

[Spikey M]

Flights will be illegal due to Climate Change. You'll have to take the Gretastar through France and work your way down from there.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You'll be able to wave your hand and have Club Tropicana appear on your mouldy wall at home, complete with AI George Michael serving you a cocktail. Obviously you'll have to make the cocktail yourself from brown Thames Water (now renamed Nelson Mandela Water) and one of the few lemons that still make it through import controls and cost £45 each.

[Ben]

As if all those Ibiza clubs will be allowed to exist by then.

Saying that, they're shite now anyway. When I went 16 years ago Ibiza was probably already on its way out then as a true Gary Ablett-fuelled EDM Mecca. Seems like you go there now just to get an Instagram pic with Wayne Lineker.

[niko_cee]

Thought those line names were a list of options to pick one from, but I see they are all going to be a thing. Dear god.

[Waffdon]

I don’t understand how people can be this arsed over a name. Just as bad as the ‘woke’ brigade themselves

[Kikó]

I won't be getting the woke train anymore and choose to work from home. Take that Sadiq!

[niko_cee]

This move to more prominently call Camilla the queen is messing with my mind, I keep thinking the old one has been resurrected when I read it in a headline, or some terrible gaffe has been made by an editor.

[phonics]

Why was it Prince Phillip if it's Queen Camilla?

[Luke Emia]

I don’t understand how people can be this arsed over a name. Just as bad as the ‘woke’ brigade themselves

Yep, who gives a shit. I don't it's a shit name but it's literally going to have no impact on my life.

[niko_cee]

Misogyny.

A King can have a Queen, but a Queen can't have a King. A King can only be the boss.

[SvN]

This move to more prominently call Camilla the queen is messing with my mind, I keep thinking the old one has been resurrected when I read it in a headline, or some terrible gaffe has been made by an editor.

I distinctly remember a story from when they were married that she'll never be called Queen Camilla, but instead Princess Consort. At some point that's obviously been scrapped.

[Kikó]

Misogyny.

A King can have a Queen, but a Queen can't have a King. A King can only be the boss.

Is this one of the new train lines?

[niko_cee]

Renaming the Elizabeth Line the Camilla Line.

:drool:

[Spikey M]

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The Spikey Line is bigger than the Maginot Line.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Tight Ron is dead?!?!?

[Lewis]

The 'Lioness Line' is like those people who called their kids 'Khaleesi', but 'Windrush Line' could become an interesting artefact as the Caribbean population of London dies, leaves, or breeds itself into mixed race non-existence. 'Liberty Line' is probably the most pointless and gay.

[Shindig]

Line of Hope and Glory would've been an amazing choice.

[Raoul Duke]

I won't be getting the woke train anymore and choose to work from home. Take that Sadiq!

Woke from home?

[Spikey M]

Line of Hope and Glory would've been an amazing choice.

Every sign would be thrown in the Thames on the opening day.

[Ben]

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/hunt-yorkshire-ian-beale-lookalike-28645296

:D

[Jimmy Floyd]

That reads like it was written by someone with brain damage.

[niko_cee]

Chat GPYorkshireT

[Jimmy Floyd]

Are you questioning the journalistic integrity of crack reporting duo S P Jones and Ashley Pemberton?

[niko_cee]

Either that or besmirching the literary capability of AI.

[Spikey M]

Breaking news: Amy Schumer looks like Donald Trump because sexism.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68315509

[Don]

Disgusting zionist whore deserves death.

[Don]

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Incredible scenes.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68343150

[Pepe]

Mr Cheeks lol.

[Don]

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It's kicked off some cracking discourse on X on how filthy a culture these people encourage.

[Lewis]

I was lolling reading through that, and I was going to post it in response to that thing you posted ages ago about one particular junction in Bradford being collision central but I couldn't find it. If you dropped a bomb on that crowd scene it would go some way to making Birmingham un-bankrupt.

[Shindig]

Of course the Audi driver's still kicking. Cunt.

[Ben]

Apparently these young folk like to do balloons then drive.

[phonics]

Acid Attack man claimed by the mighty rivers.

[thommo]

Mahow's ears are burning, we've had balloons and rivers mentioned in back-to-back posts.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68347249

All for a rebrand if that's what they want to do. What I don't get is absolutely mental shit like this:


The company's brand director James Whiteley said the firm needed to show consumers it was moving with the times and meeting their current needs.

"Our fresh, contemporary design brings Lyle's into the modern day, appealing to the everyday British household while still feeling nostalgic and authentically Lyle's," he said.

Helen Edwards, adjunct associate professor of marketing at London Business School, said the rebrand would help to reduce the risk of excluding potential buyers.

"The story of it coming from religious belief could put the brand in an exclusionary space, especially if it was to go viral on X or TikTok," she told the BBC.

Lady, no one IN THE WORLD doesn't buy golden syrup because they think the brand is in an exclusionary space. Not a single fucking one. Go and ask them. You haven't, have you?

[Spikey M]

I doubt anyone had Golden Syrup in the 2024 Woke Sweepstake. How foolish we look now.

[Yevrah]

We’ve run absolutely mad with this shit.

[Luke Emia]

Why would golden syrup go viral on X(formerly known as Twitter) or TikTok? Would they not be concerned about the logo if it only went viral on Instagram?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think the idea is that Richard Dawkins, or one of his very relevant acolytes, would discover that the dead lion logo comes from a Biblical story and make a viral video about how disgraceful this was.

[Boydy]

Do they actually care about the logo possibly being exclusionary or whatever or is this just a good way to get some press?

I couldn't have told you what the logo even was. Nor do I ever think about Lyle's golden syrup but here we are now discussing it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Let's talk about golden syrup more. What does it offer that honey can't cover?

[phonics]

Honey tastes like shit and Golden Syrup is lush.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Honey tastes like shit and Golden Syrup is lush.

Another mongo opinion from you.

[Baz]

Why would golden syrup go viral on X(formerly known as Twitter) or TikTok? Would they not be concerned about the logo if it only went viral on Instagram?

It kind of did on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualUK/s/UBdkDMnolz

[Ian]

Not the point but.... Mr Cheeks? :D

Edit: didn't realise until checking this morning I'd skipped a page.

It's a good job there are quite so many cretinous thoughts unleashed on here or Phonics' honey take might be the pick of the bunch.

[phonics]

I love local news 'crime' tab for it's mixture of grim and banal.

Last week the main story was the editor of a rival local newspaper being arrested for child porn, this week 4 people have been arrested for stealing 3 grand worth of boxer shorts from Next.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68378818

:(

[Jimmy Floyd]

Who is paying for the lawyers to keep representing her at all these appeals?

[Spikey M]

The same people keeping the likes of the Alkaline Attack geezer in the country, I imagine.

[Lewis]

The lol eventuality from here is that she gets herself smuggled in, claims asylum, and then can't be deported because she's stateless and vulnerable.

[niko_cee]

:D

That would be good.

Spikey's already checking out dinghy prices.

[Shindig]

"Can you swim, love?"

And then she gets offed by a balloon.

[John Arne]

Some bloke set himself on fire outside the Israeli embassy in the US. Fortunately, some cops were on hand to shout at him to "get on the floor" whilst he was fully ablaze whilst another cop kept his gun aimed at him at all times in case he started to throw fire at them.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68399392

I'm sorry, I'm just not having it.

[Yevrah]

This is the crux for me:


According to the report, young people now have the poorest mental health of any age group - a reversal from two decades ago when they had the lowest incidence of common mental disorders.

Manifest proof that either the internet is terrible for mental health and the awareness stuff makes the situation slightly better than it otherwise would be, or that both the internet and the awareness piece are bad for people.

Either way, we're letting an entire generation of young people down by allowing the situation to continue in the manner it is and it's so sad.

[Yevrah]

The director of the Health Foundation, Jo Bibby, said that the "building blocks of health" are things like "good employment and education" and "cross-government action" was needed to stop the creation of a "lost generation" due to poor mental health.

And this person should simply not be doing the job they are.

[Giggles]

Or a whole heap of people have realised that "mental health" is a great excuse for laziness.

[Yevrah]

Or a whole heap of people have realised that "mental health" is a great excuse for laziness.

That'd be covered under the awareness point, potentially being one of the unintended consequences of hammering home said awareness.

[Don]

Denmark follow Sweden in dropping their investigation into Nord Stream attack :happycry:

[randomlegend]

Or young people can just see how shit their prospects are.

[Yevrah]

Or young people can just see how shit their prospects are.

Which are massively overblown, again through the internet, which deals primarily in fear and ideology. By no metric are the prospects for young people in this country 'shit', but that's the narrative that's been driven and if you tell people something enough they'll not only believe it, but also conform to it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think a big moment was in the mid 1960s when everyone got TVs and became far more aware of the outside world and what other people did. Presumably the internet proliferation from the 2000s did the same again in that you can not only see edited highlights of how distant people live, but now also edited highlights of their every thought and curated live snapshots from their lives. If you don't have what others have then you think you are a failure and become depressed. That's the generous interpretation, anyway.

Another problem is that housing costs are fucking insane and no young people can afford to buy or rent, but we cover that in every thread.

[Yevrah]

I think a big moment was in the mid 1960s when everyone got TVs and became far more awareof the outside world and what other people did. Presumably the internet proliferation from the 2000s did the same again in that you can not only see edited highlights of how distant people live, but now also edited highlights of their every thought and curated live snapshots from their lives. If you don't have what others have then you think you are a failure and become depressed. That's the generous interpretation, anyway.

It's that. The fear side of it leaves people scared and the ideology makes them feel inadequate and it's not only readily available if you want to seek it out, but pumped into our lives on a minute by minute basis.

If you take for example my childhood, my formative years were spent under the very real threat of nuclear war, right up until the cold war ended in 1991. Was I scared about it? Not one bit as it was easy for my parent's to protect me from the harsh potential reality of it. If the same situation were to happen nowadays I think it's a fair shout to think I'd have been a neurotic mess before even hitting puberty. Or, for a more recent example, when I was in my 20s, look at the financial crash of 2008. When that happened there wasn't a pervading narrative that was telling my generation "don't bother as it's all hopeless now".

And I'm not surprised people in their 40s are far less affected by this than those 20 years younger as we were raised with a healthy level of scepticism and crucially had the benefit of living in a time before all this bullshit came along and it's much easier to spot as a result.

It's an absolutely nightmare and (realistically) an unsolvable one.

[randomlegend]

Which are massively overblown, again through the internet, which deals primarily in fear and ideology. By no metric are the prospects for young people in this country 'shit', but that's the narrative that's been driven and if you tell people something enough they'll not only believe it, but also conform to it.

They are shit.

[Spikey M]

You need to come on some home visits with me Yev. The reality of many young people in this country is disgraceful. Don't make me wheel out the out of touch #OxfordAccountant hashtags again.

I disagree with alot of Jimmy's politics but he was spot on with the rise of the Reform UK party. People in shitty seaside towns around the country feel forgotten, completely hopeless and it isn't because they saw a sad TikTok.

Their jobs are drying up, the shops are boarding up, the rent is going up, community schemes are drying up and their income is going up has been frozen since 2008, be it benefits, wages or a combination of both.

Talking to them about their prospects would look alot like this:


https://youtu.be/goHHpWTpIzM?si=YwKQsYnMPfuS1PBG

[Yevrah]

I suspected the Oxford Accountant line would be wheeled out, but the reality is than when the economic crash happened in 2008 I was earning fifteen grand a year with no formal qualifications to my name other than GCSE's. Is that proof that everything was rosey then? Of course not, but by the same token the fact I earn a hell of a lot more than that now doesn't mean I'm not in a position to object to the assertion that everything is awful.

I presume your role involves seeing some absolute horror stories involving people on the lowest rung of society, but it's always been awful for those people, even though I don't doubt it's got worse. However, when people hold opinions like this:


Or young people can just see how shit their prospects are.

They're not just talking about those on the lowest rung, are they? They're talking about young people in general. Young people in general who live in a country with the 6th highetst GDP in the World and where more of them than ever have access to a University education should they want one. There is simply no way to describe the prospects for those people as shit and that people do serves as both a disincentive for them to fulfil their potential and also attempts to lump them into the same group as the people who actually have shit prospects, the ones that you're talking about.

It's nonsense and it needs to stop.

[Yevrah]

Oh and I agree with the Reform point to some extent. The same was true of Brexit - when you tell people that haven't got a pot to piss in that they'll have four grand less a year than the almost nothing they currently have (if we leave), then you really shouldn't be surprised if they still decide to roll the dice.

Prospects for all people in those areas are bad though, no? And not just for young people, which is the point I'm taking issue with.

[Shindig]

The Better Help advert I see on YouTube is one of the most disingenuous things I’ve witnessed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Better Help is predatory as fuck. Not just ambulance chasing, but driving the ambulance into the path of innocent bystanders.

[Don]

Some bloke set himself on fire outside the Israeli embassy in the US. Fortunately, some cops were on hand to shout at him to "get on the floor" whilst he was fully ablaze whilst another cop kept his gun aimed at him at all times in case he started to throw fire at them.

Important viewing.

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[Jimmy Floyd]

In what way is it important to watch someone set themselves on fire?

[John Arne]

It could be for the reasons that he decided to do it.

[Spikey M]

Performative suicidal idiocy is not important.

[Don]

This list is not exhaustive, but it includes:

- The lad has made the ultimate sacrifice and protest. It's worth studying further.
- It's an act which is best understood, and its impact received, visually.
- Thich Quang Duc

[Spikey M]

- achieves absolutely nothing
- forgotten by the weekend
- ruined his mother's life.

If you're going to do it, do it the Edward Snowden way. Or atleast do something that fucks with the US AirForce in someway.

All this man did was die in pain.

[Don]

Brother, you can still watch it, think about and still have time to get the The Tipping Point and The Chase in whilst you polish that plate of Sheperd's Pie. There really is no need for the pushback.

[Spikey M]

I am pushing back against the complete lack of pushback on display. Geezer has access to F16's ffs. Do something.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm happy for him to Whatsapp me the list of reasons, but there is nothing to be gained from watching a presumably disturbed man burn himself to death.

[Manc]

Could have done without that.

[John Arne]

"No news picture in history has generated so much emotion around the world as that one".

[Lewis]

The Vietnamese monk burning himself to death achieved not a lot, and most people now think that he was protesting the war, which he wasn't, so well done him.

[Baz]

Pff, here (https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f166/united-states-air-force-member-sets-himself-fire-front-israeli-embassy-252173/) is the uncensored version.

[niko_cee]

No thanks.

[Shindig]

As military suicides go, I'm just happy he didn't open fire on a crowd.

[Yevrah]

Another well timed example of how wonderful the internet is.

I don’t say this from a political standpoint, but If that was live streamed on Twitch then Twitch should be closed down as a result.

[phonics]

Yev, I'm no programmer, I'm Phonics. But whats the reasoning here. Do you think Twitch not having an AI that detects 'man setting himself on fire' algorithm is grounds for closure?

I'm just looking at the stats and on the day there were 106 thousand channels live at the time. Do you assign someone to watch each one?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68402362

"Mary Poppins (1964) includes two uses of the discriminatory term 'hottentots'.

"While Mary Poppins has a historical context, the use of discriminatory language is not condemned, and ultimately exceeds our guidelines for acceptable language at U. We therefore classified the film PG for discriminatory language."

lol, cannot have the children hear that word.

[Shindig]

Is that the internet's fault or more the fact everyone has a phone that is also a camera?

EDIT: Out the way, Julie Andrews.

[Yevrah]

No, I think the live broadcasting of a Man immolating himself is the grounds for closure.

[phonics]

So basically ban live-streaming?

[Yevrah]

Is that the internet's fault or more the fact everyone has a phone that is also a camera?

This is often the counter argument and it strikes me in response that our standards of what we're prepared to let anyone see covered under the excuse of "well what can you do?" have dropped so low it's unbelievable.

Self harm on Facebook? "Well, what can you do". A man on a gun rampage in the US? "Well, what can you do?". A Man literally setting fire to himself and proceeding to burn himself to death sandwiched in between streams that are effectively advertising porn, to be viewed by 12 year olds and no doubt younger? "Well, what can you do".

Honestly, what in the actual fuck are we playing at?

[Yevrah]

So basically ban live-streaming?

Yes. If a company can't guarantee a service that doesn't also come with gun rampage and suicide live streams then they shouldn't be allowed to operate.

Unless we're saying that "well, they do more good than harm", which sounds suspiciously like a defence that Jimmy Savile might have used had he been rumbled while alive.

[Don]

Tbf the youngsters are less likely to allow a genocide to take place thanks to the internet so suck it up pls.

[Yevrah]

Tbf the youngsters are less likely to allow a genocide to take place thanks to the internet so suck it up pls.

(Again, without wishing to get into the politics of this as that isn't the point I'm making...) The genocide that is still very much taking place you mean?

[Yevrah]

Even if you take a less extreme view than I am above, what is the incentive for a company to sort their act out on this score or even try to? Are they even fined for that shit slipping through?

[niko_cee]

Mate, you can't be denying all the transexual weeb incels their daily dose of some weird hair colour asmr.

[Spikey M]

Without meaning to advocate for The Illuminati, you'd need an overseeing globalist organisation to hold any of them to account for pretty much anything.

As things stand, individual governments could choose to ban them, but it would piss voters off and half of them would find a way around it anyway. Or, the nation they're registered in could take action, but America (I assume) aren't going to come down hard on any of this stuff, as they'd just set up in another country and the other social media cash cows would follow.

Regulation is increasing, but the Internet is still largely the Wild West.

[Boydy]

Smash the machines!

[Lofty]

I mean at least the monk got on a Rage Against The Machine album cover.

[Lewis]

Hopefully this guy (https://twitter.com/NYMag/status/1760688788303675899) can create a similar legacy.

[Shindig]

Someone should tell him the theatre group doesn't have that kind of political reach.

[phonics]

Hopefully this guy (https://twitter.com/NYMag/status/1760688788303675899) can create a similar legacy.

Having worked in HIV for years this story has fucking enraged me. It's the most disgustingly selfish thing I've ever heard and he's claiming he's a fucking saint for doing it. What a fucking prick.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If find it interesting to think about what would happen if we switched the internet off, having had it for 30 years.

Having wargamed it in my head for the last ten minutes, I think almost everything would be qualitatively better, but also far less convenient. Choose your fighter.

The only things I can think of that would definitely be worse are probably food (unless Nigel Slater really gets cracking on a few more titles) and driving (no sat navs, unless you can sneak them in by separating GPS from the internet).

[Shindig]

The real damage came with social media. 'Everyone is a public figure' can fuck right off. It just breeds a bunch of narcissistic children.

[phonics]

If find it interesting to think about what would happen if we switched the internet off, having had it for 30 years.

Having wargamed it in my head for the last ten minutes, I think almost everything would be qualitatively better, but also far less convenient. Choose your fighter.

The only things I can think of that would definitely be worse are probably food (unless Nigel Slater really gets cracking on a few more titles) and driving (no sat navs, unless you can sneak them in by separating GPS from the internet).

If we did a worldwide ban on the internet we’d have independent state stasis using a broker version of it within the hour. You can’t put it back in the tube.

The only way would be to remove electricity.

[phonics]

The real damage came with social media. 'Everyone is a public figure' can fuck right off. It just breeds a bunch of narcissistic children.

I hope to god you realise the irony of the 'professional but not successful' video game critic saying this is.

[Shindig]

Me knocking 1000 words out about the conveyor belt of indie games is a world away from that.

[phonics]

"I get given video games for free so I can give my opinion on them but I'm not like those other narcissists."

You're the same just less successful. And that's totally fine but don't pretend you didn't get the exact same rush of a :D on here or people interacting with your video game reviews than some big titty tik tok dancer chick.

The worlds richest man spent 50 billion dollars on a social media site because not enough people saw his posts. We're all the same.

[Pepe]

This is the crux for me:



Manifest proof that either the internet is terrible for mental health and the awareness stuff makes the situation slightly better than it otherwise would be, or that both the internet and the awareness piece are bad for people.

Either way, we're letting an entire generation of young people down by allowing the situation to continue in the manner it is and it's so sad.

You're right on this one. Add that we have made it both socially and academically/professionally advantageous to have 'mental health issues,' and we have created a world where being depressed is seen as the standard.


As for the shit prospects, my students all graduate to $80,000+ a year jobs. Too many of them still fall for the current narratives.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-68414524

Fuck knows how they will manage it but lol all the same.

[Shindig]

Imagine if that thing came out looking like a normal pub. :D

[niko_cee]

Isn't it just to put an unreasonable burden on the land so these idiots don't get to turn it into flats or whatever the masterplan was? Then when they don't rebuild it they can be fined into oblivion and the land eventually given to the council or sold on for their benefit or something.

[niko_cee]

So was that William pulling out of something earlier in the day [sit down chief] one of his posh mates/relatives being found dead, presumably by suicide?

Shame.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Presumably. I'm surprised more of them don't do themselves in tbh. There can't be any fun being trapped among those people.

[niko_cee]

Could have at least taken one for the team and murdered Andrew first.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68380264

There's no hope.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is the biggest cliché ever but I'm currently on a World War II reading spree and it makes you weep really. I recently found out, somehow for the first time, about my great uncle who got strafed to death by a German fighter plane in the western desert at the age of 19. His counterparts today are 'very sad' and 'low' because they have to do a handwritten exam. They can all do one.

[SvN]

I mean, if you read the article, it's not as bad as the headline makes it sound. All exams to this point have been open book, and now, with 2 months notice, they're changing that policy. I think it's less about the exams being "in person" and the fact that they're now being tested on their knowledge recall rather than the application of said knowledge.

[Yevrah]

With SvN on this one. Written in person exam reasonable, being given two months notice for the change back to that not so much.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd bloody love two months' notice for major changes at work. Two weeks would be an improvement.

[Pepe]

As if anyone studies more than two months in advance. And the online exams are not about "application of the knowledge." They are about knowing how to cheat.

It is pretty clear:


The university has made the change to invigilated, in-person, hand-written exams in Life Sciences exams for year three and four in response to the rapidly changing capabilities of generative AI (artificial intelligence) tools, as a result of which online exams in many scientific disciplines are becoming more susceptible to misuse by these tools.



Xiwang Yu, a third-year anatomy student from China, said the news has caused her mental, physical and financial stress.
She told BBC Scotland News: "Since I've been studying here in Glasgow, everything has been online now we've got this news with little notice.
"I have social anxiety so it can be difficult to attend classes sometimes. Adding an exam in too has been really difficult."

:harold:

Of course she looks like that.

[Pepe]

This is the biggest cliché ever but I'm currently on a World War II reading spree and it makes you weep really. I recently found out, somehow for the first time, about my great uncle who got strafed to death by a German fighter plane in the western desert at the age of 19. His counterparts today are 'very sad' and 'low' because they have to do a handwritten exam. They can all do one.

Imagine how hard that must have been for his mental health. Shame that they didn't have the awareness we have now.

[randomlegend]

I'm sorry, anatomy student? They were doing open book anatomy exams? Anatomy is pure fact recall.

[Yevrah]

This is absolutely amazing:


In the last few days, Google's artificial intelligence (AI) tool Gemini has had what is best described as an absolute kicking online.

Initially, a viral post showed this recently launched AI image generator create an image of the US Founding Fathers which inaccurately included a black man.

Gemini also generated German soldiers from World War Two, incorrectly featuring a black man and Asian woman.

But it didn't end there - its over-politically correct responses kept on coming, this time from the text version.

leading to this absolute corker:


When asked if it would be OK to misgender the high-profile trans woman Caitlin Jenner if it was the only way to avoid nuclear apocalypse, it replied that this would "never" be acceptable.

Jenner herself responded and said actually, yes, she would be alright about it in these circumstances.

:D

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68412620

[niko_cee]

Pure fact look-up by the sounds of it.

Training the junior vice physician associates of the future.

[thommo]

Fucking hell, crying and panicking about being given TWO MONTHS notice?! I don't often get riled up about the "youth of today" but that is ridiculous. They just wanted an easy ride to a qualification.

[Pepe]

What's alarming is that they have been doing it for all of their studies, apparently. I am sure that they are very well prepared.

[niko_cee]

On the now familiar theme of things being relentlessly shit, is there a worse first world country to live in than South Korea (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68402139)? There is nothing about it, its culture, or its people that ever comes across as anything other than absolutely dreadful.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Preach. Capitalism without having experienced 200 years of liberal awakening first. The absolute pits.

Not sure how Japan compares.

[Spikey M]

On the now familiar theme of things being relentlessly shit, is there a worse first world country to live in than South Korea (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68402139)? There is nothing about it, its culture, or its people that ever comes across as anything other than absolutely dreadful.

I mentioned this a while back. It's true across the entirety of the first world, but Korea, Japan and Italy are particularly fucked. The collapse in population over the next 100 years is going to be insane.

This is also part of the reason why many are increasing immigration so much. The alternative is tax being set at 80% as the native kids work 17 jobs each to try to pay all of our pensions.

https://i.ibb.co/SJLqvjt/download-2.jpg

[Spikey M]

Preach. Capitalism without having experienced 200 years of liberal awakening first. The absolute pits.

Not sure how Japan compares.

Not favourably.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/24/japan-birthrate-population-pm-solution-already-rejected-by-young

[Boydy]

I really feel like sorting housing and childcare costs would go a huge way to fixing a lot of the issues the western world faces but god forbid shareholders/landlords might have to see lesser returns on their investments/parasitic activities.

[Spikey M]

I really feel like sorting housing and childcare costs would go a huge way to fixing a lot of the issues the western world faces but god forbid shareholders/landlords might have to see lesser returns on their investments/parasitic activities.

It would solve some of it. Particularly the people that just run out of time to have kids because they don't manage to get themselves into a financially viable situation in time, but it runs deeper than that.

Feminism and Birth Control are the main driver.

[Jimmy Floyd]

And the decline of Christianity, which is a tough one for we secular legends, as it makes us feel good and smug not to worship God, but the historical track record of godless civilisations is, let us say, very poor.

[Don]

The declining birth rates along with mental health epidemics and obesity reflect a deeper, often overlooked cultural crisis. Whilst factors like housing, childcare costs, feminism, etc play a role, there's more profound issues here.

Capitalism exerts the toxic pressures on individuals. Offer freedom to a human and it'll naturally be inclined towards reproduction and healthy choices but true freedom is proving more and more elusive. The insecurities and inequalities we've championed prevent individuals from making choices that align with their natural inclinations.

Feminism and birth control are the plasters addressing symptoms rather than root causes. They empower the already powerless. Even housing and childcare costs are manifestations of the fundamental problems stemming from bowing to profit over people.

The ultimate solution lies in embracing Islam and submitting to the will of Allah, the Almighty.

Edit: Ah shit, Jimmy beat me to it.

[Spikey M]

I was with you right up to the conclusion.

If we're to embrace a religion, make it one of the cool ones. Norse gods ideally.

Saying that, the birthrates do sugest a Muslim majority is a possibility within out lifetimes (baring WW3 or Bovid27 taking us all out), so you may well get your wish. Salaams.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think we need to make a distinction between capitalism, which is the natural order of things and has been going on since cavemen were trading skins, and the sort of Jeff Bezos corporate rape under which we are currently living.

[niko_cee]

Not favourably.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/24/japan-birthrate-population-pm-solution-already-rejected-by-young

:D

I remember reading something about buying housing in Japan and how you pay off your mortgage for 40 years and then your house is worth less than you paid for it and you die in the forest having been abandoned by your children, be they real or imagined, or something.

Here we go (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63830490)

[randomlegend]

I really feel like sorting housing and childcare costs would go a huge way to fixing a lot of the issues the western world faces but god forbid shareholders/landlords might have to see lesser returns on their investments/parasitic activities.

Virtually all societal problems are directly attributable to the absolutely insane inequality between the 1% and everyone else.

[Pepe]

"Sorting housing" is the kind of stuff everyone agrees with, but no one has a single clue about how to actually do.

[Spikey M]

:D

I remember reading something about buying housing in Japan and how you pay off your mortgage for 40 years and then your house is worth less than you paid for it and you die in the forest having been abandoned by your children, be they real or imagined, or something.

Here we go (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63830490)

Yeah, the below is interesting viewing on this. Bat shit mental country.


https://youtu.be/tneLNsV3oXQ?si=EEEfrJb5VHQKH9Wt

[Yevrah]

"Sorting housing" is the kind of stuff everyone agrees with, but no one has a single clue about how to actually do.

Surely we do, it's just that no government wants to be the one in charge when it is and everyone who already owns houses sees the value of theirs plummet as the supply ramps up.

It's incredible to me that people buy the line that we don't know how, we've been building houses as a civilisation for what, hundreds of thousands of years?

[Spikey M]

It would be very, very easy to sort. Make some greenfield land available. Cut through the bullshit requirements (having to provide parks, green space, etc. That can follow), planning permission needs to stop being reliant on NIMBY neighbours not objecting.

Basically, just let them build. There's far too many (I suspect deliberate) hurdles to jump at the moment.

[Pepe]

Yeah, people built their own house next to their farm.

Housing is expensive not because of the building, but because we all want to live in the same place. I can get a dirt cheap house two towns over, but I rather kill myself than live there. How many houses (and where) do you think need to be built in London before prices decrease?


https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F81d1b94 a-62f1-45de-a2d1-b38ff1ddc01c_595x557.jpeg

[Pepe]

It's funny how every single person claims to support affordable housing, which apparently is piss easy to provide, yet no one does it because it would be unpopular. A bit of a contradictory argument, isn't it? So either people actually want housing to be expensive even though they say otherwise, or providing affordable housing is not that easy.

[Spikey M]

It's funny how every single person claims to support affordable housing, which apparently is piss easy to provide, yet no one does it because it would be unpopular. A bit of a contradictory argument, isn't it? So either people actually want housing to be expensive even though they say otherwise, or providing affordable housing is not that easy.

It's popular with young people that usually don't vote. Old people, that own houses and definitely do vote, not so much.

[Jimmy Floyd]

US is a bit different in that there are vast tracts of space everywhere, none of that in England.

[Spikey M]

US is a bit different in that there are vast tracts of space everywhere, none of that in England.

Have you ever been on a plane? There's fucking loads.

[Pepe]

US is a bit different in that there are vast tracts of space everywhere, none of that in England.


Have you ever been on a plane? There's fucking loads.

Doesn't matter. No one wants to live in the middle of nowhere.

[Pepe]

It's popular with young people that usually don't vote. Old people, that own houses and definitely do vote, not so much.


The NHF said the results show a strong consensus among people of all ages, political affiliations and across all parts of the country, over a need to build social housing above other types of homes.

People over 50, the demographic most likely to vote, were most in favour of prioritising social housing.

https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/nearly-half-conservative-voters-support-building-social-housing-over-homes-for-sale-poll-reveals-81951

[Pepe]

I am all for getting rid of all kinds of regulations and letting people build as much as they want wherever they want, btw. I just don't think that it will decrease prices by as much or as quickly as people think.

[Spikey M]

https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/nearly-half-conservative-voters-support-building-social-housing-over-homes-for-sale-poll-reveals-81951

Unless said social housing is going to be near them.

Then it's imfimity letters to the local MP "there's not enough doctors!", "The schools are full!", "the roads will be murder!" NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY.

They want it, just far, far away.

[Lewis]

We would be better served by kicking a few million people out and putting the resources into re-building much of our existing shit housing stock.

[Ben]

You keep banging that drum but even the posts on this page have proven what a suicidal idea that would be. Unless of course all those few million are aged 65+, then I'm on board.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I will sign up as a supporter of the Great Deportation if I can first see a detailed operational plan on how it's going to happen, who gets deported and the logistics and comms plan involved. Spill the beans.

[phonics]

Lewis would kick anyone out who could be outside for 90 minutes without getting sunburnt. Afterwhich, when it was still shit, He’d turn his attention to his own shadow which is a bit dark for his liking.

[Dquincy]

It's not a simple as building more housing stock. It's the associated infrastructure, schools, hospitals, roads, etc, which is also needed.

Just building more houses puts additional strain on an already struggling system.

Planning guidance also looks to protect existing office and retail stock in many areas, so change of use can be difficult with existing or brownfield sites.

[Lewis]

You keep banging that drum but even the posts on this page have proven what a suicidal idea that would be. Unless of course all those few million are aged 65+, then I'm on board.

Which posts on this page? Why is an ever increasing population necessary or even desirable? Aren't we on the verge of an AI/automation revolution?

If you are talking about the idea that mass immigration is needed to pay for pensions, according to the 2021 census the only (heavily generalised) ethnic groups that provide a net financial contribution to the Exchequer are 'white' (White British, Europeans, even gypos who don't pay any tax) and 'Asian'. The latter are borderline, which, based on all of the other available data, is likely to be contributing Chinese and Indians covering for Pakistanis and Bengalis being a massive drain. 'Ethnic Minorities' as a whole represent a net drain, and 'Black' is so far skewed that, on average, every black person in the United Kingdom requires that their existence be subsidised by the contributions of one and a half white people.

Obviously you knew that; but if we can therefore state that mass immigration has been an overall drain on the national finances, and that forty per cent of all immigrants arrived in the last ten years (and most of them and their descendants over the last twenty), the pension situation is actually getting worse isn't it?

[Lewis]

I will sign up as a supporter of the Great Deportation if I can first see a detailed operational plan on how it's going to happen, who gets deported and the logistics and comms plan involved. Spill the beans.

I provided an outline before, but you pointed out that the Church of England and Doreen Lawrence would object, so I've resigned myself to paying for the country to kill itself.

[Shindig]

It's not a simple as building more housing stock. It's the associated infrastructure, schools, hospitals, roads, etc, which is also needed.

Just building more houses puts additional strain on an already struggling system.

Planning guidance also looks to protect existing office and retail stock in many areas, so change of use can be difficult with existing or brownfield sites.

Yeah, at some point you'd be building new towns to go with it. As for the space Britain has, I always get the impression every field in this country has an owner. Either it's farming land or it's some cunt thinking about eventually putting it to farming use.

[Yevrah]

Lewie, where are these census figures that show that?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I provided an outline before, but you pointed out that the Church of England and Doreen Lawrence would object, so I've resigned myself to paying for the country to kill itself.

You've just said kick them out. Let's say that Doreen pipes down and the ghost of Rosa Parks also waves it through. What does day one of Operation Dropkick look like? Are we sending them letters offering them incentives to leave? Are the army going in dragging them out of their homes and loading them into train carriages? Have we locked Michael Mansfield in a cupboard before starting? There are so many permutations. I'd actually love to see a wargame on it.

[Luke Emia]

You've just said kick them out. Let's say that Doreen pipes down and the ghost of Rosa Parks also waves it through. What does day one of Operation Dropkick look like? Are we sending them letters offering them incentives to leave? Are the army going in dragging them out of their homes and loading them into train carriages? Have we locked Michael Mansfield in a cupboard before starting? There are so many permutations. I'd actually love to see a wargame on it.

I’m with Jimmy come on Lewis what is the final solution?

[Lewis]

Lewie, where are these census figures that show that?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/bulletins/theeffectsoftaxesandbenefitsonhouseholdincome/financialyearending2019#household-income-by-ethnic-group


You've just said kick them out. Let's say that Doreen pipes down and the ghost of Rosa Parks also waves it through. What does day one of Operation Dropkick look like? Are we sending them letters offering them incentives to leave? Are the army going in dragging them out of their homes and loading them into train carriages? Have we locked Michael Mansfield in a cupboard before starting? There are so many permutations. I'd actually love to see a wargame on it.

I said most could be induced to leave before any physical removal was necessary (although criminals and illegals would be rounded up and punted on Day One). To use one example, seventy per cent of Somalians live in social housing, and over ninety per cent of them arrived in this country post-1991. If you simply declared that only people born here had an automatic right to remain, which isn't in itself unreasonable, and then made their presence here further conditional on being resident here for twenty-five years (say) and/or earning enough to represent a net benefit to the Exchequer, then the vast majority of Somalians would instantly lose their right to be here living off the taxpayer, and most of the rest of them would leave as well because their Bristol-born twelve year old isn't paying the rent.

Simple economic measures - taxing remittances, increasing salary thresholds - would deal with most of the problems before you have to start hassling anyone on cultural grounds (i.e. dealing with face coverings, increased secularisation, not recognising cousin marriages, banning hooky religious meat even if it annoyed the Chosen People).

[Don]

Woah, woah, woah, how do we know these negative outcomes are not merely a reflection of the systemic discrimination these Blacks and Somalians face in this society?

[Lewis]

Black people are tired. Tired from the stress of having to clean the windowsill mould in a heavily-subsidised zone two flat.

[Yevrah]

If you are talking about the idea that mass immigration is needed to pay for pensions, according to the 2021 census the only (heavily generalised) ethnic groups that provide a net financial contribution to the Exchequer are 'white' (White British, Europeans, even gypos who don't pay any tax) and 'Asian'. The latter are borderline, which, based on all of the other available data, is likely to be contributing Chinese and Indians covering for Pakistanis and Bengalis being a massive drain. 'Ethnic Minorities' as a whole represent a net drain, and 'Black' is so far skewed that, on average, every black person in the United Kingdom requires that their existence be subsidised by the contributions of one and a half white people.


I was sceptical of almost every assertion stated as fact here, but having been provided the numbers (and with a little bit of manipulation of them in Excel, see below) this is all absolutely right.

https://i.postimg.cc/mrrvtHz3/Data.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Lewis]

I would have assumed something along those lines before the racist data confirmed it, so why were you sceptical?

[Yevrah]

I would add though, when this great deportation starts are we also kicking Jaywick (ludicrous unemployment, double the national crime rate, but 96% white) into the sea?

[Yevrah]

I would have assumed something along those lines before the racist data confirmed it, so why were you sceptical?

I suppose because the stats are not often said in public. Why, for example, does Farage not have a tattoo of that shit on his forehead and why isn't Diane Abbott using it as a point to prove racism?

[Lewis]

Gary Lineker would say that Marcus Rashford pays more tax than a white lorry driver, a million mongs would re-tweet it, and then we would realise why statistical averages are never discussed in any public context ever. Still, it would be an interesting contribution to the on-going debate around reparations for blacks.

As for Jaywick, English deadheads are our problem. People who have been here for barely a generation ought not to be.

[Kikó]

Oops logged into stormfront again.

[Spikey M]

The main issue I'd take with that data is that "black" doesn't mean anything. There is a big difference between black people from Africa with 2 parents, and black people from the Caribbean that often have one parent, for example.

For example, in higher education:

https://i.ibb.co/qFDGgb8/Screenshot-20240229-064627-Samsung-Notes.jpg

Now, I don't know what's behind that. I suspect single parent households will be part of it. Less common in African and Asian homes. More common in Caribbean ones (and in Jaywick). And with that, we're right back to this being a symptom of a society in decline. It's simplistic to just point at skin colour.

Black single parents:
https://i.ibb.co/b57hsfF/Screenshot-20240229-065728-Brave.jpg

It also assumes blame. For example:

38 year old Spikey. Mixed race mum (half Caribbean black), raised in a single parent home. Why? White British alcoholic dad. The data simply captures that as "black mixed single parent".

[Ben]

I was sceptical of almost every assertion stated as fact here, but having been provided the numbers (and with a little bit of manipulation of them in Excel, see below) this is all absolutely right.

https://i.postimg.cc/mrrvtHz3/Data.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

The problem is numbers can't provide context. For example, black people didn't choose to live in mould-infested high rises. They were hamstrung as soon as they arrived. Put me, a white person, in their environment and I'm probably well in the minus too. We pigeon-holed immigrants in their own class, a rung below working class, which is all well and good but we can't reap the rewards for a few decades then suddenly decide we don't want them as soon as the bloom is off the rose.

EDIT: Oh, just seen Spikey's context. There we go.

[Spikey M]

Some of the context. This stuff will run deep. For example, people arriving from war zones. Can they be expected to immediately become functioning members of society? Are we to discount the years, of no blacks, no dogs, no Irishmen? "Fuck that, you're equal now, catch up ffs".

There will be loads of shit factoring in that we haven't even began to consider.

Then there's the issue of our biggest net-drain. The Super Rich, buying everything, driving up prices, suppressing wages and hiding their cash however they can to avoid paying tax.

But no. No, it's the blacks that are wrong.

https://i.ibb.co/mJv0hPQ/Screenshot-20240229-081306-Brave.jpg

[Yevrah]

The problem is numbers can't provide context. For example, black people didn't choose to live in mould-infested high rises. They were hamstrung as soon as they arrived. Put me, a white person, in their environment and I'm probably well in the minus too. We pigeon-holed immigrants in their own class, a rung below working class, which is all well and good but we can't reap the rewards for a few decades then suddenly decide we don't want them as soon as the bloom is off the rose.

EDIT: Oh, just seen Spikey's context. There we go.

To be clear, I’m not for one minute suggesting I agree with Lewis’ approach - it’s lunacy. I don’t even believe Shamima Begum shouldn’t be allowed back. If you have British citizenship you have every right to be here, no matter what you do or don’t do and it shouldn’t ever be revoked, it’s as simple as that.

And of course there are underlying reasons why those numbers are the way they are and problems with them inherently. The categories are far too broad for example, but they’ve obviously done that deliberately.

[niko_cee]

In happier news Millennials set to become ‘richest generation in history’ (https://uk.yahoo.com/style/millennials-set-become-richest-generation-172923394.html)

Bad luck if you were born after 1994 I guess, losers.