News of the day

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Israelis will do something that will lose the West pretty soon even if it isn't this. They (Israeli gov) aren't wired like us at all.

[Don]

The footage coming out of all corners of the Islamic world are something and that's without even touching on the anger in the West Bank. Pushing humans to the edge is truly being tested to new levels as far as the modern world is concerned here.

[AJ23]

This simply makes no sense as a false flag attack from IDF. Even from a cold hearted, cynical viewpoint, there is zero benefit for Israel's war aims by blowing up the hospital and claiming the other side accidentally did it. Israel already has backing of the West and everyone else wouldn't believe such a claim anyway. In any case, if it's a lie, it will be easy to prove it through verifying Israeli missile fragments on the site.

I must say though, I do not trust Benjamin Netanyahu with his alleged corruption of bribes, fraud and apparently allowing money to flood into Gaza from suitcases in Qatar (where Hamas' leadership is based), which has enabled Hamas to thrive. He's caused a lot of this himself.

His wife isn't much better.

[Don]

Just caught up with the footage of the after effects. Thoughts and prayers for these zionist cunts because if dead kids is what they need to be publishing, they got their hands full.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8RRKRYXUAAbVto?format=jpg&name=large

[Don]

Twitter jury seems pretty confident, evidence of sound/impact of bombings point to Israelis. Inshallah I'm about to wake up to a new global political dawn.

[Spikey M]

Unfortunately oil prices enjoy stability so there will be no change to the status quo I'm afraid. They'll do a bit more killing, America will say "ok, that's enough" and it'll stop again, with a few more miles of Palestinian territory gained.

[Don]

Was hoping to wake up to some admissions but their defence remains and supplemented by new evidence. Ffs, please let it be Israelis to blame.

[Spikey M]

There will always be evidence. AI can fix all.

[Jimmy Floyd]

500 dead looking a bit on the large side to me. Still, it doesn't even matter, people on all sides believe what suits them. Israeli twitter last night was like a rush line defence, quite cute if they weren't all bastards.

[thommo]

It's almost as if the deaths of the people in the hospital don't matter to Taz. Just got to make sure the baddies did it, fuel that complex further.

[Don]

No, let me hold a candlelight vigil in my living room for each and every one of the lord's souls I didn't know to make me feel better about myself like my true gammon peers.

Don't undermine me with your own melty angle.

Biden speech was incredible, he better have seen concrete evidence it wasn't Israel because he's nailed his colour to the mast and will make George W look smart in the history books if he's wrong. Also telling that he had a stroke and fluffed his lines completely the second he tried to offer some sort of alternative angle to Bibi about the importance of civillian life. He didn't even finish his attempt :D

[Waffdon]

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Oh, they’re actually going through with this. Nice

[Offshore Toon]

BBC reporting it as "President Biden has stated..." without providing context that he's a dementia riddled spastic is awful journalism.

[Don]

I'm seeing a new TV news channel video reportedly showing it was a Palestinian rocket and the footage of the blast site doesn't exactly look like powerful Israeli weaponry :sick:

[Adramelch]

BBC reporting it as "President Biden has stated..." without providing context that he's a dementia riddled spastic is awful journalism.

I mean, if they have his quotes, there's enough context there, no? "it was done by the other team, not you" is not the kind of wording a sane person would use in regards to a hospital bombing.

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67144375

Why is this one merely a man 'dressed as a woman'?

[Baz]

Good question tbf

[Spikey M]

2 reasons:

1) to avoid any likelihood hlof him managing to end up in a woman's prison.

2) because we live in a bizarrely complicated world these days and nobody knows what the fuck we're meant to call them anymore.

[Bam]

Biden calling Hamas the other team. :face:

[Yevrah]

2 reasons:

1) to avoid any likelihood hlof him managing to end up in a woman's prison.

2) because we live in a bizarrely complicated world these days and nobody knows what the fuck we're meant to call them anymore.

Surely a third reason would be that he can't be a trans Woman as he wouldn't have committed that crime if he were.

[Ben]

Biden is just absolutely awful. Israel have secured the carte blanche they need to raze Gaza to the ground now it turns out they didn't bomb this hospital because the "remember what the facts were the last time you blamed us" argument will really carry weight, especially when you've got imbeciles like Biden backing them up.

I also wonder how Russia are going to play this. Lots of Jews in Moscow and lots of Russians in Israel, but they're aligned with Iran these days, who aren't shy on their Israel-Palestine stance.

[randomlegend]

The Royal College of Anaesthetics EGM last night was a hilarious and brilliant binfire for the ladder-pulling, Damehood-seeking, treacherous cunt consultants in charge.

A group of Anaesthetic Consultants forced an EGM to vote on a load of notions designed to stop the rampant expansion of unregulated Anaesthetic Associates. The Royal College leadership has been fully in bed with the government on this shite and watching them squirm as every single motion opposing AAs was supported with a massive margin was glorious.

I know this doesn't mean a lot to you all but it should. The future of your healthcare relies on the current generation of doctors succeeding in shutting this shit down.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Biden is just absolutely awful. Israel have secured the carte blanche they need to raze Gaza to the ground now it turns out they didn't bomb this hospital because the "remember what the facts were the last time you blamed us" argument will really carry weight, especially when you've got imbeciles like Biden backing them up.

The Israelis aren't stupid enough to do this. Sleepy Joe's probably just saving their face for them a little bit with words, a ground campaign in Gaza would be moronic, probably unwinnable, and end with Iran shelling Tel Aviv and various other not great outcomes for them. Raze it to the ground from afar and they just look like war criminals. They'll have to back down.

[Ben]

The Israelis aren't stupid enough to do this. Sleepy Joe's probably just saving their face for them a little bit with words, a ground campaign in Gaza would be moronic, probably unwinnable, and end with Iran shelling Tel Aviv and various other not great outcomes for them. Raze it to the ground from afar and they just look like war criminals. They'll have to back down.

Hopefully.

But apparently they're shelling the Rajah Crossing to Egypt (which Egypt is saying is technically open), so people can't get out and aid can't get in. That second bit is important, because that's technically a war crime.

[Baz]

Surely a third reason would be that he can't be a trans Woman as he wouldn't have committed that crime if he were.

Tell Chris Chan that.

[Shindig]

He's back walking the streets after the courts threw the case out. He's now denying anything ever happened. Not that his trans-ness got him out of serious jail time. More that everyone involved was an unreliable witness.

[Baz]

Great innit. I bet Geno Samuel wishes he never started the documentary. :D

[Shindig]

It'll destroy him.

"In a list of six things he couldn't do without, Chris listed 8 things. Three of these were sex." :D

[niko_cee]

lol at the cover of Private Eye, and the reaction it has garnered from the anti-antisemitism league.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67148208

:D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The child was "rammed" off his bike by a police van and handcuffed as he was confronted by marksmen in Hackney, east London, in July, the Alliance for Police Accountability (APA) said.

:lol:

[Ben]

Sunak again showing himself up as a terrible politician/diplomat.

"We want you [Israel] to win"

What the fuck is there to be won?

Manlet prick.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He reminds me of Gordon Brown, clever man but absolutely shouldn't be in a role like Prime Minister.

[Offshore Toon]

Outrageous that he feels he can speak on behalf of the UK.

[Raoul Duke]

Great effort this: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67155928

[Shindig]

Criminal of the year.

[phonics]

Corbyn must be punching the air watching Baddiel and friends call Ian Hislop an anti-semite for this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8tJCsqXcAAljDN.jpg

[phonics]

Also I can't find it now but one of the replies to Baddiel said 'I didnt think it was anti-semitic but then I went to my local muslim run cornershop and they'd placed private eye front and center of the shop, we are under attack'

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's not anti-semitic but like everything in Private Eye, it's smug as fuck.

[Don]

A quiet day on developments of note. Quite amusing to see them fight so hard to get 20 trucks of aid through this weekend as if that's going to do anything when the entire gaff required 100 daily trucks of aid pre-genocide.

Anyway, here's an round-up of the most valuable tweets of the day.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ypcOeWwAIn60v?format=jpg&name=large

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[Don]

Is there a more hateful figure to come out of all this? She makes Bibi look like a cuddly grandad.

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[Ben]

Sunak and Biden are trying hard.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67168388

I stand with Father Smejkal.

[Ian]

I don't feel like he should have to take responsibility for Billy Corgan.

[Shindig]

As a potential owner of a giant pumpkin (I won a competition to guess it's weight and I think they're trying to burden me with it), my first idea was to drop it off the roof of the office. Smash away.

[Ian]

Carve a TTH business card onto it and leave it somewhere for all to see.

[Spikey M]

As a potential owner of a giant pumpkin (I won a competition to guess it's weight and I think they're trying to burden me with it), my first idea was to drop it off the roof of the office. Smash away.

You're an uncle, no? Make it their parents problem and win some uncle points at the same time.

[Shindig]

That's a good idea. If it's still sitting unclaimed when I get back to the office, that's an option.

[Adramelch]

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And then there's the alleged phone call the IDF posted of Hamas discussing their rocket hitting the hospital, which presumably sounds so fake it could have been made by a 10 year old.

[niko_cee]

Anti-scientism.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The thing Al Jazeera put out earlier about Iron Dome intercepts was straight-up knowing disinformation. Both sides can play that game.

[Adramelch]

Oh yeah, there's no doubting that. They are both doing their propaganda. Just one seems to be aiming for hospitals, churches and the likes a bit more.

[phonics]

I've reached the point with all of this stuff where I trust almost none of the 'analysts' who seem to have gone from Medical Research Experts to Eastern European Troop Movement tacticians and now are posting stuff like 'This is clearly fake, Hamas operatives don't talk like that'. So I just go by feel, so considering that everyone from the top of the military down has been calling for blood and wanting to kill anything even related to Gaza so badly that Paul and his mate Jimmy 5 Bellies have had to go into hiding. Israel probably did it.

[Don]

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C4 doing Allah's work throughout the last fortnight.

[Spikey M]

Does it really matter? They're doing so much heinous shit in the open, there's no need to quibble over what they might (definitely did) have done. They're bombing civilians using the route they told them to use for fleeing, ffs.

This is where we need an actual Prime Minister, not a manlet that accidentally fell into the job. We are so obviously going to end up on the wrong side of history at the moment.

[Offshore Toon]

It kinda does as I think Israel being shown up here will make it impossible to back them without being outed as a wrongun.

[Yevrah]

As I'm learning more about this I can't help but feel we're in a situation where both sides do appalling things, but the lines are drawn on whose side you should take by other factors that aren't really much to do with bombing hospitals or gunning down ravers at a festival.

I say this from a still largely uninformed perspective, which is a bad thing on face value, but maybe also be a good thing in the sense that I can cut through all the bullshit as I'm yet to pick a side and be swayed by any of it.

Your thoughts are welcome so I may continue my journey.

[niko_cee]

I think it's delusional to expect any western leader to do anything but back Israel.

Is it even possible to have an 'informed perspective'? I certainly don't.

I'm sure the Palestinians are far from perfect in much of it, but it does always have the feel that they were the collateral damage for post-war western guilt regarding the holocaust and then transitioned into the victims of ongoing ideological rivalry.

Probably should have just created the Jewish State in the Rhineland, or, I dunno, given them Southern Italy if they wanted an arid vibe. At least there would have been a link between the taking of land and being one of the 'bad guys' - I appreciate this is obviously a fairly stupid idea.

[Offshore Toon]

Israel see themselves as progressive whilst bombing the shit out of their neighbours thanks to the greatest military in the world. All while claiming persecution.

They're genuinely horrible people. Think of how people perceive South Africans, but worse.

[phonics]

I think it's delusional to expect any western leader to do anything but back Israel.

Is it even possible to have an 'informed perspective'? I certainly don't.

I'm sure the Palestinians are far from perfect in much of it, but it does always have the feel that they were the collateral damage for post-war western guilt regarding the holocaust and then transitioned into the victims of ongoing ideological rivalry.

Probably should have just created the Jewish State in the Rhineland, or, I dunno, given them Southern Italy if they wanted an arid vibe. At least there would have been a link between the taking of land and being one of the 'bad guys' - I appreciate this is obviously a fairly stupid idea.

They were offered Vietnam but turned it down.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The problem from the Palestinian sympathy point of view is that it's not a very long journey between condemning Israeli government actions and wanting the state of Israel destroyed, or, and this is the Hamas position, wanting to kill every Jew in the world.

Or, at least, most of our Islamist friends make that journey seem very short.

[niko_cee]

Indeed.

And as generally shit as the behaviour of the Israeli state/IDF is, and it is, they are far more aligned to our worldview than "the other team".

[Spikey M]

I see no need to take a side really. It's possible to condemn both the shelling of fleeing civilians and the terrorist attack that provoked it.

I also think this is exactly the response that Hamas wanted. They want a war so their neighbours will get involved.

[Yevrah]

As a mate of mine pointed out this week, the whole problem gets solved anyway (or worst case moved elsewhere) when the entire area becomes an uninhabitable wasteland thanks to climate change.

[Yevrah]

I see no need to take a side really. It's possible to condemn both the shelling of fleeing civilians and the terrorist attack that provoked it.



Quite and what I don't understand is why individuals here seem so keen to. Governments I get as there's cash money/diplomacy at stake, but why does twat drinking his mocha-choca bollocks in a London Costa need to have a black or white opinion?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Same reason he needs to have one on Brexit or BLM. He is insecure and needs to join a club.

[Lewis]

Post-war liberalism was built on the Holocaust being the be-all-and-end-all, and contemporary leftism is mostly about worshipping brown people, so they were inevitably going to collide over this.

[Bernanke]

Yeah, the only reason anyone anywhere protested apartheid in South Africa, or the Vietnam War, was just peer pressure and posturing.

[Offshore Toon]

Quite and what I don't understand is why individuals here seem so keen to. Governments I get as there's cash money/diplomacy at stake, but why does twat drinking his mocha-choca bollocks in a London Costa need to have a black or white opinion?
You've died on more hills than anyone on here mate.

[Offshore Toon]

And Jim. You've got a ridiculous opinion on everything.

[Yevrah]

You've died on more hills than anyone on here mate.

That may or may not be true, but they've all been about things I have a keen interest in and at least some understanding of. I'd watched a shit load of RvN and Thierry Henry, for example.

[Manc]

It is true.

[Yevrah]

Than anyone? Get out.

[Pepe]

As a mate of mine pointed out this week, the whole problem gets solved anyway (or worst case moved elsewhere) when the entire area becomes an uninhabitable wasteland thanks to climate change.

That's going to be a long wait.

[mikem]

Imagine the following scenario:

You get up on Boxing Day to watch the football and coverage turns to London. 13,000 people (roughly .02% of the population) is laying dead on the streets and another 2-3 k are being hauled into tunnels.

Now, how is the UK response any different to Israel’s? Are you seriously telling me that you would all be sitting around talking about how the attack may have been justified due to the colonial past and whatnot?

Of course, it is all crazy. I remember all my fellow Americans cheering when Bin Laden got killed and just thinking: “Don’t you realize we gave him everything he wanted?” It was just piles of bodies. And the Palestinians must feel the same as the Israelis.

[niko_cee]

Who's responsible for this theoretical massacre? Rampaging picts? The Peoples Front of Diego Garcia?

[Bernanke]

"Colonial past" is quite a way to describe the current Israeli-Palestinian set-up.

[mikem]

To Niko: Does it in any way shape or form matter?

I say essentially the same thing to Americans but use the Palestinian numbers and side.

[Shindig]

Who's responsible for this theoretical massacre? Rampaging picts? The Peoples Front of Diego Garcia?

The Science.

[Adramelch]

Imagine the following scenario:

You get up on Boxing Day to watch the football and coverage turns to London. 13,000 people (roughly .02% of the population) is laying dead on the streets and another 2-3 k are being hauled into tunnels.

Now, how is the UK response any different to Israel’s? Are you seriously telling me that you would all be sitting around talking about how the attack may have been justified due to the colonial past and whatnot?

Of course, it is all crazy. I remember all my fellow Americans cheering when Bin Laden got killed and just thinking: “Don’t you realize we gave him everything he wanted?” It was just piles of bodies. And the Palestinians must feel the same as the Israelis.

Not to say how Hamas initiated the whole thing was right, but Israel has been massacring Palestinians for decades now. It's nowhere near the same thing and it looks like a very simplistic way to think about things.

But even other than that, Israel's immediate response was collective punishment.

[Lewis]

Imagine the following scenario:

You get up on Boxing Day to watch the football and coverage turns to London. 13,000 people (roughly .02% of the population) is laying dead on the streets and another 2-3 k are being hauled into tunnels.

Now, how is the UK response any different to Israel’s? Are you seriously telling me that you would all be sitting around talking about how the attack may have been justified due to the colonial past and whatnot?

Yeah probably. Then we'd have a concert and substantially increase immigration.

[Spikey M]

Imagine the following scenario:

You get up on Boxing Day to watch the football and coverage turns to London. 13,000 people (roughly .02% of the population) is laying dead on the streets and another 2-3 k are being hauled into tunnels.

Now, how is the UK response any different to Israel’s? Are you seriously telling me that you would all be sitting around talking about how the attack may have been justified due to the colonial past and whatnot?


You mean like when we carpet bombed and starved Ireland when the IRA started planting bombs in our major cities?

Come on lad.

[niko_cee]

That's probably exactly what he means. He's an American democrat. Potatoes. Old country etc.

[Giggles]

You mean like when we carpet bombed and starved Ireland when the IRA started planting bombs in our major cities?

Come on lad.

You were running an apartheid state before that which led to it though.

[niko_cee]

In the period to which you refer, wasn't 'apartheid state' the standard globally? Even within 'developed' nations?

Flora and fauna.

[Spikey M]

You were running an apartheid state before that which led to it though.

I'm not going to argue that. Our treatment of Ireland was disgraceful without question. But we're not discussing that, we're discussing the reaction to revenge terrorism. Which was nothing like Israels and was eventually solved(ish) diplomatically.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67182799

:D

We're definitely in performative shark jumping territory here.

I also very much liked the letter linked on Joshua Rozenberg's twitter this week from all the big name KCs attacking the BBC for their nomenclature rules as regards Hamas, being framed entirely within the terms of the Terrorism Act, one of the single worst pieces of illiberal legislation ever brought forward. Good to know Lord Pannick and co are such avid fans of it. I guess being in bed with the owners of City tells you everything you need to know about him.

[Spikey M]

We're definitely in performative shark jumping territory here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67181962

:harold: :harold: :harold:

[Yevrah]

:D That might be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

[niko_cee]

https://uk.yahoo.com/style/colleagues-left-appalled-top-doctor-184748042.html

Just appalling.


“I understand if the college wanted to advocate for the protection of innocent children caught up in the conflict, but how could they possibly release a statement that makes no mention of the babies and children being held hostage by Hamas? I’m appalled and really disappointed.”

I guess, at least, they are probably still alive. Unless Israel has bombed them to death.

[Don]

We're living in a black mirror episode, we really are.

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[Shindig]

Police are always on the political spectrum. They're a tool of the state.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Lol if you think the special Met treatment is going in that direction.

[Lewis]

Those tweets they have put out explaining that 'jihad' has several meanings in the context of an anti-Israel demonstration, and that what appear to be ISIS flags are merely... Let's see that one with swastikas. Absolutely pathetic.

[John Arne]

Imagine being completely unaware of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians for the past 30 years. It must be nice.

[Baz]

Not especially.

[Kikó]

Exactly, have you seen baz's socials?

[randomlegend]

https://uk.yahoo.com/style/colleagues-left-appalled-top-doctor-184748042.html

Just appalling.



I guess, at least, they are probably still alive. Unless Israel has bombed them to death.

The Royal College leaderships are all full of title-chasing cunts.

[Yevrah]

I wonder if Israel realise that going about wiping out Hamas the way they are will just create a new outfit and many more radicalised people from whatever's left in the rubble?

Christ, I'm becoming latte Man.

[Offshore Toon]

Shut up, man. :D

You lot are itching to talk about it, you're just struggling to fully find a take you can act smug with.

[Yevrah]

Anyone looking for a smug take on all this is properly unhinged.

[Don]

The beautiful thing here to appreciate is the positive impact of social media. In previous years all this propaganda, disinformation and misinformation was being gobbled up whole and the Palestinians remained in captivity with no real hope or support beside a small minority. Fortunately, this is the sweet spot era between not being able to suppress the footage of innocent baby corpses being dug out of rubble and AI not being good enough to get away with faking enough to balance it all up. Netanyahu is a goner, what that means for the rest of the shitshow is still to be determined.

[Adramelch]

Netanyahu was a goner from the moment the initial Hamas attack happened.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67177328

Absolute lizard.

[Baz]

Possession of nitrous oxide to be illegal from next month (https://www.drinkanddrugsnews.com/possession-of-nitrous-oxide-to-be-illegal-from-next-month/). Very good news.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67204915

A popular K-Pop band appears to have made a mix-up by donning retro Rangers tops at a show in Texas.

STAYC were performing in Dallas as part of their US tour.

But instead of wearing local baseball team Texas Ranger's tops, the girl group appeared in 1990s kits worn by Glasgow Rangers.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F82pKiyW0AA0LcN?format=jpg

:D

[niko_cee]

:D

Is it me, or has all of this brouhaha about the Parisian waxwork of The Rock shone a light, for want of a better term, on how much whiter he now looks than he used to IRL?

From the picture they use of him the waxwork looks bang on.

[Ian]

He's probably paler now because he never leaves the fucking gym.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67172231

Only a matter of time before AI lets them start disguising themselves as schools.

[Don]

The filthy fucks are now waging a war on UN after what was a fairly balanced statement :D

And Erdo and Qatar have just gone in on them and dropped the threat of WW3.

Boys, we're nearly there :drool:

[Spikey M]

I could do without a world war tbh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67236438

[Offshore Toon]

It's either that or an ongoing cost of living crisis.

[Spikey M]

Can't we just find some new poor brown people to bombard / fire up the war economy? Kazakhstan is looking pretty smug. Oil, natural gas and not a single American / British drone overhead? That can't be right.

[Offshore Toon]

Everything's a remake these days.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I could do without another Iraq war, the Arab will never shut up about it. Can we fight a proxy war in Finland or something he won't care about?

[Adramelch]

Chile are expected to have a relatively dominant role in future energy markets. I say we nuke them and be done with it.

[Spikey M]

Nukes are too quick. The money is in the protracted suffering.

[Don]

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:D

Also, what's the deal with Crispin Blunt, he looks like a proper wrongun so reports of him being arrested on suspicion of rape and possession of drugs and having the whip suspended didn't cause much interest but I now see he put in some seriously pro-Palestine comments forward a fortnight ago.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-67191248

Two of the world's worst countries having a dust-up, presumably the Q-men are sulking about India's not-so-subtle Israel fanboyism.

[John Arne]

The world is fucked.

China also going around smashing into Filipino boats and Vietnamese trawlers who dare to enter waters they claim as theirs.

https://img.jakpost.net/c/2023/03/01/2023_03_01_136057_1677631083._large.jpg

[Spikey M]

I wonder if we'll end up on the opposing side of any TTHers. Scenes when Bamster gets harpooned by Pissy Chrissy.

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/67235056

It can't be emphasised enough that they are building over what was a very expensive golf course, rather than some public 'green space', but look at the various responses. The country is stuffed until some mechanism is brought in to just flat out ignore those sorts of people (all of whom are about eighty and have no skin in the game).

[Jimmy Floyd]

Wimbledon is Lib Dem central these days, so no surprises, just fundamentally bad people. Incidentally some of the need for that was created by the famously cash-starved Bank of England being utterly desperate to sell its huge sports grounds up the road, which is where they have done the Wimbledon qualifiers until now (the site commonly known as 'Roehampton' I think).

[Bernanke]

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The Israeli social media propaganda continuous to be utterly bizarre.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/27/somerset-gimp-guilty-scaring-female-drivers-trial-bristol/

Trancemeister?

[Offshore Toon]

32???!!!!!!

[Luke Emia]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/67235056

It can't be emphasised enough that they are building over what was a very expensive golf course, rather than some public 'green space', but look at the various responses. The country is stuffed until some mechanism is brought in to just flat out ignore those sorts of people (all of whom are about eighty and have no skin in the game).

There’s at least two other golf clubs in Wimbledon as well.

[Ben]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67232925

El Ghazi sacked for a “pro-Palestine” post. Pathetic and pretty concerning really.

[Lofty]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/27/somerset-gimp-guilty-scaring-female-drivers-trial-bristol/

Trancemeister?

The specific conditions imposed on him :D

[Baz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67232925

El Ghazi sacked for a “pro-Palestine” post. Pathetic and pretty concerning really.Surely in a footballers contract not to make political posts on social media.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Very different context to this stuff in Germany than there is here. We don't know we're born.

[Spikey M]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/27/somerset-gimp-guilty-scaring-female-drivers-trial-bristol/

Trancemeister?

It's very clearly Ross Kemp.

[Giggles]

Surely in a footballers contract not to make political posts on social media.

Depends which side.

[Lewis]

This (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12679885/Israeli-Liverpool-fan-gets-tattoo-crest-blacked-replaced-Star-David-crossing-Never-motto-Youll-Never-Walk-club-banned-tribute-fans-murdered-Hamas.html) can't be real. His name must be a lol anagram, or it's an AI picture. Something.

[niko_cee]

Can't we just find some new poor brown people to bombard / fire up the war economy? Kazakhstan is looking pretty smug. Oil, natural gas and not a single American / British drone overhead? That can't be right.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67248267

:sherlock:

[Ian]

Can we check you passport for a minute Spikey? No reason.

[Spikey M]

Oh shi-

[Shindig]

ArcelorMittal is an anagram of Aramco Littler. Those sneaky Saudis ...

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Which is also Spikey's alias.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/ice-hockey/67253892

This is the nightmare of ice skating made real.

Presumably that's not the paedo.

[Shindig]

Yeah, I've seen footage of that kind of stuff. Paints the ice red. I am mildly surprised they let the attendees leave but they must've had no problem getting an ambulance in.

[Lewis]

1718553026246427081

What is the other bloke attempting to do?

[Shindig]

Maybe it's the perspective but he looks like he's trying to check another player or he's tripped by them.

[Manc]

Unfortunate name.

[Baz]

That’s incredible.

[Waffdon]

Proper sweet chin music

[Spikey M]

Jesus. That's like the cricketer that died when that ball managed to squeeze through the gap in his helmet. Unreal levels of bad luck.

[randomlegend]

It's happened before but the guy survived, no?

[wullie]

At least twice, the most famous is the goalie in the 80s who somehow survived both that and later shooting himself in the head due to PTSD caused by it.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67259635

Better get another gofundme drive up and running.

[Lewis]

I'll chuck a tenner in.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The actual war is not my concern, but the UK politics ramifications are becoming quite fasincating: https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1719050862511718667

Have seen various calls for a Muslim party to be formed because Labour is not representing the views of Muslims. That sounds... yeah.

[phonics]

They’re not exactly helping the argument against the Jewish kabal arguments by sacking anyone who says that a ceasefire is good.

[Spikey M]

They're definitely not targeting civilians.

1718994686524661999?t=HcrhoWYjbHNR1YjBqBmJUw&s=19

[phonics]

Netanyahu went out and quoted a bible verse saying that they needed to kill every man, woman, child, ox and sheep and then said he was taken out of context. Meanwhile Western Liberals are debating whether it's 75 or 90% of people who say 'From the river to the sea' are calling for the eradication of the Jewish people.

[Kikó]

Jackson Hinkle is a lying charlatan. Take anything he posts with a grain of salt.

[Don]

Paul Bristow, well done that man.

The West was always going to get itself into a mess with their championing of inclusivity and justice and all that melty shit once people became appropriately informed of their inner workings and the hypocrisy. Integration of muslims into UK society must have been sent back another 20 or so years after the events of the past couple weeks, there'll be kids in households now hearing their families berate the government and the West who will be shaped by it for decades. And the muslims being disillusioned is one thing but the way Suella and her sort are going, the majority of those under 50 will go the same way. A fabulous further breakdown in society.

[Ben]

Jackson Hinkle is a lying charlatan. Take anything he posts with a grain of salt.

Well the BBC did report that one, so we'll let him off.

[Spikey M]

Jackson Hinkle is a lying charlatan. Take anything he posts with a grain of salt.

I doubt he lied the video into existence. The BBC were reporting on it earlier too.

[Lewis]

Set back another twenty or so years, to minus-twenty years.

[Don]

I'm talking about the coconutsobvs, not the principled dons.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If they don't like the West, they should leave it. They do like it, obvs, they just enjoy indignation and having something particular to gas about, like the jock nats, and the covid deniers, and me.

[Spikey M]

The coffee shop in the next village had an Israeli flag up for a few days only for it to be torn down and trampled during the night.

Aside from the Chinese family that runs the Chinese and the Turkish Don that runs the chippy, everyone in the village is 60+ and white. So, for my money, either the Chippy is fully FREE PALESTINE, or it was just some good old fashioned Far Right racism.

I bet it was the woman that knits the postbox woolly hats.

https://i.ibb.co/fvJv3Wp/FB-IMG-1698700952295.jpg

[Jimmy Floyd]

Or maybe someone came in from outside the village and did it.

When they picket the cenotaph stuff in a couple of weeks we'll have the culture war shitstorm to end them all.

[Don]

Yeah, things are simmering nicely for now but there's about to be a scene somewhere.

1719097628082782503

[Spikey M]

:harold:

[Shindig]

That'll show 'em.

[Don]

The actual war is not my concern, but the UK politics ramifications are becoming quite fasincating: https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1719050862511718667

Have seen various calls for a Muslim party to be formed because Labour is not representing the views of Muslims. That sounds... yeah.

Did the geezer really just say:

“We won’t rest until we have justice, until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty.”

This shit is going absolutely bonkers if so :D

[Lewis]

I reckon a large amount of professional politicians genuinely believe a unified half-Israeli half-Palestinian state could work.

[Spikey M]

It could.

I mean, you'd need the abandonment of religion, xenophobia and grudges over the murder of close family members, but fuck it, why not?

[Don]

I was wondering how Hamza Choudhury is getting away with his consistent and unwavering support of not killing babies but looks like I'm in good company now.

1719077456324260095

[Lewis]

1719123206454567332

:happycry:

[Lofty]

Ironically that rat video will probably turn a load of animal rights lot against them, and they are fucking nuts.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm sure Ronald McDonald (shout out D'Angelo Barksdale) will be devastated that some of his young, poorly paid, very possibly Muslim staff in a London branch will have their shifts ruined by some cunts releasing rats into the place.

[John Arne]

Am I reading this correctly... Labour suspended a member for saying "Until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty.”. Seems harsh.

[Ben]

Apparently any mention of river and sea means you're advocating wiping out Jews.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's a clumsy phrase to use, if you're that MP or whatever he is, because you know what it normally implies. You've given the referee a decision to make.

[Boydy]

It doesn't imply what people say it does though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Still silly to use it, because he knows everyone takes it that way, or he should do anyway. What does it imply?

[Don]

Censoring oneself because a group of extremists have decided so. The true Western philosophy.

[Max Power]

He was waving a Palestinian flag when when we won the FA Cup 2 years ago. Wonder what would happen if that happened today? David Baddiel would be calling for his public execution

[Jimmy Floyd]

Censoring oneself because a group of extremists have decided so. The true Western philosophy.

He's gone into professional politics and we all know that professional politics is not a game of naked principles and lyrical honesty, if he wants to do that he should have gone into literature or music or something.

[Yevrah]

You genuinely couldn't make this up:


The president of the COP28 conference, Sultan Al Jaber, acknowledged the challenges he faces.

"We must find common ground, ensure consensus and resolve differences," he urged in his opening speech.

But Mr Al Jaber is himself a deeply divisive figure.

He is also the head of Adnoc, the UAE's state oil company and one of the largest oil producers in the world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67271688

[John Arne]

You genuinely couldn't make this up:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67271688

The former head, a British bloke called Alok Sharma took something like 40 flights a year when he was in charge, which if they are actually getting results is one thing, but they looked like useless hob-nobbing to me

Edit: 30 countries in 7 months, and continuously ignored COVID rules.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/06/one-rule-for-them-alok-sharma-criticised-over-flights-to-30-countries

[Yevrah]

Indeed. Our efforts to solve this problem are absolutely pathetic.

[Spikey M]

Either Giggles is right and it's all just a money making exercise or they just don't care about any of this.

[phonics]

1719315778980229144

Incredible stuff. He's actually going to make this election a race.

[Yevrah]

I genuinely have no idea what any of these people are saying on the issue.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'The colour of peace is grey' is an unreal quote. Straight out of a Ianucci script. Love it.

Unfortunately for his detractors it'll go down fine where the votes matter, he doesn't need east London Muslims.

[niko_cee]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/woman-helped-organise-colston-statue-150232276.html

:happycry:

[Ben]

Israel have bombed a refugee camp now so it'll be interesting to see how our "now is not the time for a ceasefire" politicians justify this one.

[Yevrah]

Just an orphanage missing now to complete the card?

[Jimmy Floyd]

They could all get CEASE FIRE NOW tattooed across their arses and there still wouldn't be a cease fire, so it's more sensible just to ponce about for the benefit of domestic voters.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67272603

Lol

[Adramelch]

Israel have bombed a refugee camp now so it'll be interesting to see how our "now is not the time for a ceasefire" politicians justify this one.

https://i.gyazo.com/5cceb31bfe0ee83541d47068f6b58800.png

[randomlegend]

My mum's just said to me "I know it's not very PC, but when the Jews have been persecuted everywhere they've been and all through history you've got to wonder if they do something to deserve it" :lol:

[niko_cee]

I'm not really up on my Jew canon lore, but have they ever got on with another culture/society or has the whole 'gentile' thing sorted of blighted them from the get go?

[Jimmy Floyd]

They've been the only (major) people without a homeland, so until 1948 they're always outsiders everywhere they go.

[Lewis]

The Soviet Union generously assigned them the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in 1928 but none of them fancied it.

[Ben]

Top bloke Stalin, got a bad rap.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67283593


"If this phrase is used again by a football participant, we will seek police guidance on how we should treat it and respond," an FA statement said.

Now, hang on a second here. Outlawing 'support' for Hamas is one thing, probably a bad thing on balance in a free society, but isn't that getting a bit sinister?

On an unrelated but related note, I also find it quite saddening the sheer number of programmes that need to carry the 'discriminatory language' warning these days. Saw 'Anita and Me' get pinged with it on BBC2 last night, after the same day reading about how Little Britain has to be absolutely plastered with the same warnings, although perhaps more fairly. Isn't it a bit of an indictment on our society that we now need to caveat a film which addresses the issue of racial intolerance as a central theme as needing to have a 'warning: discriminatory language' caveat? I mean, who is watching that and getting upset about the language? Isn't that the whole fucking point? Are we now fully into the realm of context-free words (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OLXzO1oK2w&ab_channel=consumer)?

[Don]

Brother save yourself the struggle and don't try and view any of this matter with an analytical mind. Just sit back and enjoy the vibes.

[Ben]

The phrase is often interpreted as supportive of Palestinian nationalism.

Whereas Israeli nationalism (Zionism) is just fine.

[Yevrah]

Sport, particularly football, in this country really has got itself into an absolute mess by welcoming, even encouraging, political stances into the game. When you do that it's hard to then turn around and say "well, you can't talk about those political stances".

[Jimmy Floyd]

Where do you stop? Should we have kept on playing against apartheid South Africa? Sport is politics and politics is sport.

I think a large part of it is people being more annoyed by hypocrisy than they should be. Hypocrisy is the natural result of everyone coming from a different place. English hypocrites are upset by Palestine flags but not by poppies. Arab hypocrites are upset by rainbow flags but not by Palestine flags. American hypocrites are upset by black slavery but not by other types of slavery. These things are all inevitable within the diversity of humankind.

[Don]

Big up Anwar El Ghazi. Hamza could learn a thing or two, the fucking chinless softy.

[Lewis]

The sporting boycotts of apartheid South Africa were based on them refusing to de-politicise sporting contests by selecting teams etc. on racial grounds. It was us inisisting on keeping politics out of sport, not because we thought that they were meanies. We happily kept competing against shithouse communist countries because they at least pretended to keep politics out of their sports, which South Africa never did.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Our teams are named after 'England', a political entity. It's all politics.

[thommo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67288289

What an absolute loon.

[Adramelch]

Most sports clubs were founded on some sort of societal/political basis. To say that we are now "welcoming" politics into sports sounds a bit out of place.

[Yevrah]

Most sports clubs were founded on some sort of societal/political basis. To say that we are now "welcoming" politics into sports sounds a bit out of place.

Well I can't speak for 100+ years ago, but certainly sport has become more political (if that's the right way to phrase it) in the last 10 years vs. the previous 20.

[niko_cee]

Jury nullification is an interesting topic, and one XR are probably quite keen to get out in the mainstream.

It's been raised as a possibility in the upcoming trial of David McBride in Australia by his supporters, and should probably be contemplated in that case by most sane jurors.

[Lewis]

Well I can't speak for 100+ years ago, but certainly sport has become more political (if that's the right way to phrase it) in the last 10 years vs. the previous 20.

Narcissism. People can't accept or even begin to conceive that their personal opinions and interests - especially when it comes to identity issues like race, sexuality, etc. - aren't the most important and interesting thing in the world, so everything, and even better if they are traditionally non-political spheres, has to be co-opted into it.

[phonics]

No it’s not Yevrahs just aged and turned into a Boomer.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, everything is exactly the same as it was 20 years ago Yev, you twat.

[Ben]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67264703

Imagine if this was Russia.

[Pepe]

The main issue with politics in sports is that sports are full of retards.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67264703

Imagine if this was Russia.

You'd applaud.

[Yevrah]

No it’s not Yevrahs just aged and turned into a Boomer.

That lazy explanation could be used to justify absolutely anything that isn't the same as it once was though. Some of the things I observe will absolutely be down to me getting older, but it can't be everything.

[Shindig]

The main issue with politics in sports is that sports are full of retards.

Yep. They're already into tribalism so what's one more tribe to back?

[Yevrah]

Narcissism. People can't accept or even begin to conceive that their personal opinions and interests - especially when it comes to identity issues like race, sexuality, etc. - aren't the most important and interesting thing in the world, so everything, and even better if they are traditionally non-political spheres, has to be co-opted into it.

And you see Phonics, whether you agree with Lewis' take on why or not, there's a million more times effort and thought gone into it than "lol, boomer".

[Yevrah]

Anyway, is our sort of stance on this domestically that overt support for Palestine is ok, but overt support for Hamas is not ok, or that both just are not ok?

[phonics]

Bombing a Refugee Camp claiming it that it was because a Hamas general there and you killed him so it's fine is bad. Bombing it two more times afterwards is just showing off.

Your public diplomacy minister going to parliament and saying "Erase all of Gaza from the face of the earth. That the Gazan monsters will fly to the southern fence & try to enter Egyptian territory or they will die & their death will be evil. Gaza should be erased!" while the Western commentariat try to get people sacked for chants that rhyme is a look.

[Bernanke]

Bombing a Refugee Camp claiming it that it was because a Hamas general there and you killed him so it's fine is bad. Bombing it two more times afterwards is just showing off.

Your public diplomacy minister going to parliament and saying "Erase all of Gaza from the face of the earth. That the Gazan monsters will fly to the southern fence & try to enter Egyptian territory or they will die & their death will be evil. Gaza should be erased!" while the Western commentariat try to get people sacked for chants that rhyme is a look.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9jte3PXIAA3r7W?format=jpg&name=large

I don't even think they're showing off, they just don't consider the civilians civilians.

[Jimmy Floyd]

M&S has apologised after being accused of posting an Instagram photo of Christmas party hats in the colours of the Palestinian flag on fire.

And that's numberwang.

[Spikey M]

I keep thinking we've achieved peak ridiculousness but it somehow keeps going.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/02/01/77299185-12700103-image-m-32_1698889949045.jpg

lol.

It was shot in August too, so before the conflict even started.

[Yevrah]

You can imagine the scenes in their boardroom.

"We have to what?"

"Apologise for something that's a complete coincidence that you have to look for to see, but has nonetheless upset the mob"

"Fucking really?"

"Yes, really. Just do it"

[Luke Emia]

Gammon, gammon, gammon here. But, doesn’t the Palestinian have black in it. They haven’t burnt a black hat have they?

Why are they not just telling the people who are complaining that it’s got absolutely nothing to do with what’s happening over there and saying if they don’t like it fuck off.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They're on a black grate, which in itself is a reference to slavery when black people would make fires to keep white people's feet warm - and rightly so, might I add. Pass the mustard.

[Yevrah]

Why are they not just telling the people who are complaining that it’s got absolutely nothing to do with what’s happening over there and saying if they don’t like it fuck off.

Because we've allowed a society to develop where people and businesses are absolutely terrified at pissing the online hate mob off, whether it's justified to do so or otherwise. With stuff like this the path of least resistance is to apologise, so that's what happens.

[Spikey M]

I'm sure the 18 year olds currently boycotting them were regulars. They're really going to feel the pinch now.

[Yevrah]

It would take just one or two companies of a decent size to say “don’t be so ridiculous “ in response to this sort of stuff and there’d be enough of a precedent for that to be the standard response from then on in. Until one is actually brave enough to do that though, which I don’t see happening any time soon, we’re stuck with this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They probably don't want the rubber dinghy rapids mob throwing scrap metal through their HQ windows.

[niko_cee]

I'm confused, is the offending image pro-Palestine, with the commentary being Palestine is on fire due to what is going on, or anti-Palestine, with the commentary being the symbolic burning of the Palestinian flag?

I would have leaned towards the former, but talk of hysterical boycotting makes me think this isn't a Stamford Hill driven thing.

[Ben]

Absolutely insane.

[Lewis]

Their Christmas advert is a woman, some brown people, a mixed-race gay couple, and another woman. You would have thought that would have been sufficient tribute, but no. Maybe re-film it in Gaza.

[thommo]

Utterly ridiculous.

And M & S feel obliged to apologise, lest they end up like Maccies, with mice being lobbed into stores painted in the colours of Palestine. Who genuinely thought that was a solid idea?

[Yevrah]

Their Christmas advert is a woman, some brown people, a mixed-race gay couple, and another woman. You would have thought that would have been sufficient tribute, but no. Maybe re-film it in Gaza.

This stuff really has run absolutely mad.

South Park did what I'd heard was a good take on similar stuff recently, but sadly I only laughed once so that can be consigned to the bin of inappropriate response to stem this insanity. Two of my friends are non-white (which if you're only looking at people I go out of my way to bother seeing and are not family, accounts for about 20% of my go to social circle these days, so I'm doing ok against a 73.5% white population of England, 82% UK) and they both think it's absolutely ludicrous and more than ever so slightly patronising, which leaves me wondering who is actually pushing this now?

[Yevrah]

I also wonder if ad execs/businesses have to force themselves to count the diversity because if they didn't they'd just hire white people in an inherent admission that they're just a bit racist. Either way, I'm minded of Morgan Freeman's take on this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's because they're always chasing younger customers and want to align with their values. Same reason Radio 2 decided they had to fire all their much loved DJs and replace them with worse but 'representative' ones, because execs live in constant fear of the audience average age going up.

[Yevrah]

It's because they're always chasing younger customers and want to align with their values. Same reason Radio 2 decided they had to fire all their much loved DJs and replace them with worse but 'representative' ones, because execs live in constant fear of the audience average age going up.

Which makes sense, but are young people stupid enough these days to think that just because they see an advert with a bukkake of diversity in it that the company involved is actually prioritising that from a 'right thing to do' standpoint rather than just doing so because they think it'll maximise shareholder wealth? If so, God help their future.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Look at this poor fucker in the LIDL ad. He only came round to get his Yodel parcel.

https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/lagEYIZg8NHW.png?o=1

[Lewis]

It's because 1) brown people are less likely to engage with things that they aren't 'represented' in (which is also why you get these weird groups devoted to things like hiking whilst black, as if anybody is stopping them); and 2) middle class white women associate brown people with positive values etc., which are more likely to inform their choices. White men and normal people will just shop wherever so there is no need to speak to them.

[Lewis]

That 'Boss Your Bathroom' advert has a mixed-race lesbian couple in it, and their daughter somehow looks like both of them. That or it's just the white woman's kid and its black dad did a statistically-likely runner.

[Pepe]

1) brown people are less likely to engage with things that they aren't 'represented' in

Got evidence on that one? I would have thought that except for a few lunatics too invested in this shit, no one gives a fuck.

[Lewis]

Seems I forgot to put 'FACT' after that one. My mistake.

[Pepe]

I just wanted to know if someone had actually measured it, for the morning lols.

[Pepe]

Meanwhile, we have been invited to the event "Addressing the Unrelenting Anti-Blackness of XXXX University" this Friday. Looking forward to the reasonable, even-handed, discussion.

[Yevrah]

How has the unrelenting manifested itself?