News of the day

[Spikey M]

Just leave them to it. He "enjoys "dark" and "extreme" tourism" so I'm sure he's having the time of his life

[Shindig]

Ah, yes. 'Lord' Miles Routledge.

[Lewis]

His original trip there was pretty lol, but ever since he has revealed himself to be the biggest dweeb imaginable, so they should just leave him.

[mikem]

I doubt having an armed guard at a school would move the statistical likelihood of your child being killed in a school massacre very much, in the grand scheme of things, and would in all probability displace whatever tiny marginal gain you'd have on that front with an equally tiny chance of the guard going postal or accidentally shooting them.

You are right that there is probably no answer, but that line of thinking applies to more guns being the answer as well. It isn't.

Well, apart from actual gun control, that is the answer, but isn't on the table, so yeah, thoughts and prayers and RIP in pieces and all that.

This is the truth. No such thing as an armed force that has a zero percent accidental shooting rate. I mean, when I went through basic we did the following:

8 hours of instruction prior to even touching our assigned weapon. And we always had to get and return them to the armory.

2 days of learning to carry them without pointing them at anyone and constantly cleaning the fucking things.

First time we took ammo out to go to the range someone nearly got shot. Stored at a completely different location and every bullet needed to be account led for.

Pretty much everyone who went through basic that I’ve ever met can tell a story of someone almost getting shot at a range.

So you are introducing some level of accidental shooting risk. How many schools are there in the US? 30,000? 300,000? It is a big country. Say 1% rate of accidental shooting in a system of 30,000 schools. That’s 3,000 shootings a year to stop 337 since the 90’s?

[Shindig]

We're going about this all wrong. How much ammo did she waste on the door? More doors, more lives saved. :dc:

[Lewis]

I'm all for hanging this twat who shot that little girl in Liverpool, but, unless I'm missing something, how is it murder? Is the idea that he was trying to kill whoever happened to be behind the door?

[randomlegend]

I'm all for hanging this twat who shot that little girl in Liverpool, but, unless I'm missing something, how is it murder? Is the idea that he was trying to kill whoever happened to be behind the door?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_English_law


...there are certain circumstances where a death will be treated as murder even if the defendant did not wish to kill the actual victim. This is called "transferred malice", and arises in two common cases:

The defendant intended serious harm to one or more persons, but an unintended other person dies as a result;

Appears so, yeah.

[Lewis]

There you go then. Hang him.

[niko_cee]

42 years mandatory is a pretty epic sentence. Can't have been many who have got more short of a whole-life order. If you have sufficient faith in the system to deliver justice then he should probably just be minced now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Different jurisdiction obvs (juuu-rrrris-DIC-shun) but isn't that how Oscar Pistorius went down on appeal?

[Lofty]

Obviously it's terrible and it's a good sentence for a change, but it's pretty much the ultimate cautionary tale in not being a nosy fucker and wandering out of your house when something is kicking off.

[Shindig]

This story just runs and runs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65171455


The lawsuit claims the same boy "strangled and choked" his kindergarten teacher last year.

Surely a grown adult can overpower a 6 year old?


It also alleges the boy would chase other students with a belt to whip them and swear at staff.

Also, the parents not naming the disability is a bit suss. Unless they've never got a concrete diagnosis.

[niko_cee]

She should just be thankful she doesn't have these little bastards (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-65092730) to deal with.


on one occasion he was attacked by three male squirrels which he had cornered in an attic

:D


she thinks they are going to come through the walls. The scratching sound is terrible.

Sounds like Alien(s).

[Spikey M]

The picture :D

[Raoul Duke]

Just get a cat, spastic

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/04/critically-ill-patients-inevitably-die-junior-doctors-strike

Someone needs to tell those so called experts they need to be reading more r/gimpfest to educate themselves.

[randomlegend]

Perhaps they'll consider cancelling their lucrative non-urgent private work to get these ticking timebomb NHS patients sorted.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-65220527

I really, really hope there's footage of this.

[Spikey M]

A representative said staff were "disappointed that the last 10 minutes of the show needed to be cancelled due to disruptive customers refusing to stay seated and spoiling the performance for others".

You could have finished after you kicked them out you fannies.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Once again British drinking culture spirals out of control.

[niko_cee]

The Bodyguard musical [fronted by a former Pussycat Doll and someone out of Hollyoaks] sounds like the kind of thing that should be being shouted out of theatres, so sounds like a win for British Drinking Culture to me.

[John Arne]

In the least surprising news ever, the Dalai Lama is a nonce. Here he is asking a boy to suck his tongue.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDWWMABmZzU&ab_channel=karlAndilurs

[Shindig]

Why applaud that?

[Alex]

They claim he's always supposed to just be a reincarnation of the previous one too, right? If we take them at their word there then centuries of potentially unchecked noncing could have been going on.

[Spikey M]

I pretty much just assume every religious leader is a prolific nonce anyway.

[Lewis]

Tibet was like sweet and sour Afghanistan before the Chinese took it back over, so I've never known why divvy Westerners fall over themselves to romanticise it.

[AJ23]

Would the Dalai Lama be considered too old to be castrated?

[Lofty]

Calling it now there's something dodgy about this allotment destruction story and resulting gofundme.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It seemed very strange to me that anyone would bother to do that.

[Baz]

Holy fuck, this (https://caribbean.loopnews.com/content/sint-maarten-cruise-passenger-injured-boating-accident) has knocked me for six.

The video is on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/12l00jx/drunk_guy_loses_foot_to_boat_propeller/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=1&utm_term=15) but ehhh I wouldn’t watch it if you’re normal.

[Giggles]

Extra affiliate link to follow.

[Giggles]

Buy Baz on Amazon. And eBay.

[Pepe]

One of my sister's friends got both of her legs chopped by a boat when she was swimming behind it and someone decided to start the boat without checking. She was quite the looker, too. Shame.

[Spikey M]

We went water skiing when I was 9 or 10 and the rope nearly slipped off the pole, so my friends mum grabbed it in a panic just as the boat sped up and the rope pulled tight. Only lost a finger and she wasn't much of a looker, but I like to be involved.

[Foe]

A colleague lost the tip of his finger to an overly excited dog.

We got him this t shirt for his birthday.

https://www.amazon.com/High-four-finger-amputee-T-Shirt/dp/B08M7CPNHH

His girlfriend was fizzing.

[Shindig]

My dad was a minute away from collapsing onto an butcher bandsaw. Would've eviscerated him but thankfully he collapsed into the arms of a fat bloke. Amazed he came out of that profession with a full set of fingers.
https://www.visionequipment.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/IMG_1231-wpp1589378754134.jpg

[AJ23]

When I was at school a kid caught his finger in the classroom door.

Teachers put the finger in ice and tried to save it but it was too late.

[Baz]

Imagine going on holiday, Caribbean, booze cruise, loving life drinking rum, falling in, getting back onboard thinking man thank the lord I am safe, and then trying to stand up and your foot is just gone. I can’t even imagine those levels of regret.

[Mike]

I dropped an electric sander before, after seeing a man try to get on a boat it seems I’m lucky to be alive!

[Manc]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65245498.amp

One for Yev.

[Ben]

Some Indian politician has been assassinated at point blank range, on live TV. I’m sure Twitter has the footage.

[Baz]

Some Indian politician has been assassinated at point blank range, on live TV. I’m sure Twitter has the footage.

Yep.

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[Shindig]

Okay, that was thorough.

[Lofty]

Security fellas earning their money there.

[Yevrah]

This one might break the culture wars...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-65322821

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65330696

Who's afraid of cheerleaders?

[Shindig]

They must be a nation of jumpy twats.

[Raoul Duke]

Why don't they arm cheerleaders

[Lofty]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/dragons-den-star-ordered-to-demolish-%C2%A31000000-anti-vaxxers-safe-haven/ar-AA1a34ZU?li=AAnZ9Ug

Sounds like someone worth investing in :D

[niko_cee]

"rapid unscheduled disassembly"

:harold:

[SvN]

She was a Dragon, not a "contestant". That article is all over the place.

[Lofty]

Elnaugh herself described the national park as an ‘incredible vagina of land’.

I feel like if I referred to the lake district national park as 'England's mighty chode' there'd be uproar.

[Ben]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65334810

Watch the video. The Yanks cheering when it blows up. :D

[Spikey M]

I feel like if I referred to the lake district national park as 'England's mighty chode' there'd be uproar.

I didn't even know Angela Rayner had a National Park.

[Shindig]

That's probably years of work completely up in smoke. SpaceX's success rate can't be that good, either.

[John Arne]

That's probably years of work completely up in smoke. SpaceX's success rate can't be that good, either.

Apparently this was just a first test of the launch procedure - it was kinda expected to blow up at some point. Noone at SpaceX was bothered by it.
#NotElonFanBoy

[Lofty]

https://i.ibb.co/JKbNT8h/attachment-36.jpg

[Baz]

So The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/22/arts/ireland-blindboy-podcast.html) has a big piece focusing on how Blindboy can say what he wants cos he remains anonymous by wearing a plastic bag on his head, but starts with


The Irish podcaster David Chambers spends his days in an exceptionally drab office…

:wtf:

[Boydy]

It's not that hard to find out his real name, it's been known for ages. It's more about not having his face widely known so he can go about his life without getting hassled in the street. He's said as much before, hasn't he?

[Lewis]

I never got the emergency alert, so now I am dead. Cheers.

[Lewis]

It turns out my phone is running too old a system for it. Still dead cheers.

[Ben]

I turned mine off like a true Facebook conspiracist. Fuck waking the baby up for a test.

[Baz]

Same. But my betting phone didn’t go off either. :sorry:

[Spikey M]

Mine didn't go off. No idea why. Wife's did though. What a rush.

[Shindig]

Both of mine didn't go off. Off the grid. :cool:

[Yevrah]

Both my personal and work mobile went off. So unnecessary.

[Mike]

Apparent Three and networks like Smarty, which run off Three, didn’t get it.

[Danny]

1649030370791178241

They tested ours this week too, by accident.

[Lofty]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11994095/My-boyfriends-cancer-ruining-mental-health-left-him

Brutal :D

[Don]

Google must not provide good cancer sick leave because as long as that software engineer income was coming in she was happy.

[randomlegend]

People divorcing their spouse after they are diagnosed with cancer is really quite common.

[Spikey M]

People divorcing their spouse after they are diagnosed with cancer is really quite common.

They could atleast fuck a martial arts expert and leave their phone lying around to cover up the reason.

[randomlegend]

Magic having a brain tumour would explain a lot.

[Giggles]

People divorcing their spouse after they are diagnosed with cancer is really quite common.

That isn’t the reprehensible bit, it’s creaming the insta-likes of it. I doubt that part is all that odd for young people these days either though.

[Shindig]

Jelle, pictured, after his surgery, has been supportive of his ex-girlfriend's help and will be there to cheer her on.

I just picture him being OVERLOOKED at the finish line as she rushes to the current boyfriend. :D

[igor_balis]

My best mate was with an older woman (he was 25ish, she was 32ish) for a year or so, things were already fizzling out and he had met someone else who had made it clear she was interested, and his girlfriend almost immediately got diagnosed with bowel cancer. I'd say I feel sorry for him, but I feel worse for her, especially as she was dead 6 months after. Cancer is rubbish ennit.

[Boydy]

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[Lofty]

What the fuck :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I believe him, he can't stand.

[Bernanke]

The arms when he "falls back". :D

[Spikey M]

:lol:

[Shindig]

There's a PIP claim that'll be fun to claw back.

[Lewis]

1650517041797910530

Randrew trying to defer his exams.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65308769

Economists should be expelled from public life, part 4950235.

[Ben]

Surprised the BBC have opened the comments for that one.

[Boydy]

Between him and Andrew Bailey, the Bank of England needs burned to the ground.

[Lofty]

'Don't ask for a pay rise even if the government has fumbled the economy so badly everything you need to exist has risen in price exponentially.'

[Don]

I do love these moments. Gammons relentlessly having their faces smeared in their own shit by those in power. Will they protest? Will there be an uprising? Will they start supporting those who propose radical solutions like a wealth tax? Will they fuck. They deserve all the pain and misery they get. I hope they all starve to death thanks to being unable to afford their ubereats.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The reason there won't be an uprising is because the gammon system is so historically and dare I say it uniquely successful in terms of living standards. Very much doubt the French Revolution would have happened if the peasantry had had Netflix. Petrograd 1917 wouldn't have had the same febrile atmosphere if most people, rather than queuing for bread, were queuing for a steak bake from Greggs.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-65397720

Normally it's at least June before Animal Silly Season (ASS) starts to heat up, with all its tales of alpaca executions and dog evacuations, but it's coming round earlier and earlier every year.


"The four mute swans were very much loved by local people and I am pleased that we have been able to find such a fitting way to commemorate their lives and the very great pleasure they brought to us all by their presence here," she said.

[Spikey M]

"Priti Patel MP (far right)"

Heh.

[Ian]

No way she's smiling that much without thinking they're celebrating the death of the animal.

[Luke Emia]

Between him and Andrew Bailey, the Bank of England needs burned to the ground.

How he is still in a job is fucking staggering. Some of this inflation couldn’t have been forecast but not turning off the taps of cheap money as soon as the economy opened up was a massive issue that has made inflation far worse than it needed to be.

Rumours that there may need to be another couple of base rate rises because the Bank are now shitting themselves they still haven’t done enough.

[Lewis]

People wanted lockdowns, and people wanted to sanction a commodities superpower, so people can't complain about inflation or interest rate rises. I can, but people can't.

[Luke Emia]

People wanted lockdowns, and people wanted to sanction a commodities superpower, so people can't complain about inflation or interest rate rises. I can, but people can't.

The point being that if you started raising interest rates sooner(bear in mind their first rate rise was 0.15%) in December 21 it wouldn’t have been such a shock to the system.

By not taking action earlier when people had extra money in their pockets after lockdown because the couldn’t spend fuck all they have made the inflation at the back end here far worse and are then surprised that when food inflation is running at 15/16% that people want to ask for pay rises.

[Lewis]

They should have been raising them ten years ago. They were never going to raise them this side of about 2024 had it not been for Russia, because 'we can't risk the recovery', which is also exactly why they never started raising them ten years ago.

It's like that Irish joke about asking for directions and saying 'I wouldn't start from here'.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, I'm not sure where this Bailey is a disaster comes from when we've had Carney lolling it up for 10 years doing absolutely fuck all.

[Yevrah]

Raising interest rates won't do shit when it's the cost of things that people need that are driving inflation. It was fine to keep them as low as they were as there was no reason to raise them and there still isn't a reason to raise them now - an entirely different solution is required and until people start talking about that the things that are said are akin to the discussed solution to the HOUSING CRISIS for all the good they'll do.

[John Arne]

I'm no fan of Trump, but the story this lady is telling just seems complete bobbins.

The idea that firstly you would voluntarily enter a changing room with him for no apparent reason, but then to be raped without once screaming for help... This was a department store, not the middle of the field.

Given its basically her word versus his, I suspect this will be thrown out very quickly.

#GS

[Spikey M]

I have no idea what you're talking about, but rape victims freezing and not calling for help / fighting is pretty common.

Disclaimer: Not first hand experience.

[Spikey M]

This (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65401494) has me right in the mood for some 6am towel on sunbed drama.

[John Arne]

What the actual fuck?



The Brecon Beacons are to be renamed over concerns that the word “beacon” is out of step with the fight against climate change.

The national park will now be officially referred to as the “Bannau Brycheiniog” National Park, granting the landscape a Welsh name, and steering clear of any associations with historical signal fires.

Officials said the symbol of a flaming beacon emitting carbon “does not fit with the ethos” of the national park as an eco-friendly organisation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/17/brecon-beacons-net-zero-renamed-climate-change/

This is a joke, right?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Wales is past help.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65428878

Oh. Maybe don't do that.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65433368 Makes me proud to be Barrovian

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65429936

Genghis van der Kahn.

[Spikey M]

What a wanker.

[Shindig]

https://road.cc/content/news/austin-killips-becomes-first-trans-cyclist-win-uci-race-300971

I know it's a tactical sport but you can't undo those legs.

[Yevrah]

"A week of nonsense"

Rofl.

[SincereTheRebel]

https://road.cc/content/news/austin-killips-becomes-first-trans-cyclist-win-uci-race-300971

I know it's a tactical sport but you can't undo those legs.

Do transformers automatically go to number 1 in their sport?

[Spikey M]

It only matters in proper sports lads. These lycra cunts do their best to make me late for work every morning. They deserve their misery.

[Shindig]

The article mentions 50 other transformers in the sport so it's not a guarantee they'll be straight in with wins. However, Lia Thomas was something like 45th best as a bloke. This one took up cycling and then transitioned shortly after. At like, 23.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They'll have to do it like Le Mans, where birth females can win their class or whatever.

[Kikó]

Le *Cis Mans
😡

[Raoul Duke]

Le Trans

[igor_balis]

the trans people in sport is a genuine debate, and on balance I probs do think they shouldn't be allowed to compete with cis women, but I really hate mad terfs pretending to give a shit about women's sport when it suits them.

I'm pretty sure Glinner hasn't watched more than about half an hour of women's sport in his life, apart from maybe perving over netball a bit during the Olympics. It's also disingenuous, cus they're not really using it as a reason to ban trans women from women's sport - they actually just don't want them to exist at all.

it's also an example of how insane it is that people are readily accepting that trans women are the main threat to women, which is batshit. JK Rowling and co are happily getting into bed with very repressive people who are anti abortion and outwardly homophobic cus "at least they know what a woman is" - it's a monomaniacal cult.

there was a recent report about institutional misogyny in the police, and one of the main terfy journos Hadley Freeman posted this:

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I mean, even if you're a bit uneasy about trans people for whatever reason, surely you should be able to see how deranged this is?

[igor_balis]

Sarah Everard died cus the met made them all put their pronouns in their email signature

[Spikey M]

In a rare instance of nailing it, I think Phonics is correct on this issue and everyone would benefit from just shutting the fuck up about it on both sides.

[niko_cee]

I really hate mad terfs pretending to give a shit about women's sport when it suits them.

It's not just the terfs though.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Gianni_Infantino_2018.jpg

Unless Gianni today feels a terf, I guess.

[Yevrah]

That tweet is an absolute fucking headache. What did he actually say? Words and context please.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My mum's on Rowling's team and my brother is on the anti-Rowling side. They usually start arguing about it when we're all in the house, and that's when I head outside to smoke an imaginary cigarette (I've got through a few packs of those over the years) because honestly it's an unsolvable debate.

[igor_balis]

In a rare instance of nailing it, I think Phonics is correct on this issue and everyone would benefit from just shutting the fuck up about it on both sides.

wow spikez, not like you to take the "both sides are stupid" middle ground option ! :charm:

[Yevrah]

In a rare instance of nailing it, I think Phonics is correct on this issue and everyone would benefit from just shutting the fuck up about it on both sides.

Which ironically is how it's been for the last 30 years before all this shit kicked off. There's one 'side' that's started this, kept it going and refuses to let it lie until every single person publicly agrees with them.

[niko_cee]

That tweet is an absolute fucking headache. What did he actually say? Words and context please.

:D

I thought the same. Took me quite a while to figure out who was being criticised and what for, which I find is often the case with these twitter exchanges [probably still got it wrong].

[igor_balis]

That tweet is an absolute fucking headache. What did he actually say? Words and context please.

"The editors who confect outrage about rainbow helmets or dancing at carnival have not been digging in to police malfeasance for decades because as Leveson/Daniel Morgan etc demonstrate, they are often far too close to senior officers."

[niko_cee]

My reading was O'Brien was criticising the media/editorial establishment for not properly investigating the old bill, and this other lunatic has gone in with both feet on a completely unrelated issue.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, I've got it now. Is Twitter's mission to give everyone brain damage?

[Yevrah]

My mum's on Rowling's team and my brother is on the anti-Rowling side. They usually start arguing about it when we're all in the house, and that's when I head outside to smoke an imaginary cigarette (I've got through a few packs of those over the years) because honestly it's an unsolvable debate.

I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to show me something transphobic Rowling has said. My Mum and one of my sisters takes the stance of your brother and neither of them were able to.

[Spikey M]

wow spikez, not like you to take the "both sides are stupid" middle ground option ! :charm:

I don't think it's even that they're stupid, it's just peak culture war. It's not even about Trans people anymore, it's just Loony Lefties and Fascist Feminazi's taking chunks out of each other and fuck the real world impact on the Trans Community and Women.

The world is more transphobic today than it was 10 years ago, meanwhile I would argue it's less homophobic. I'm not going to extrapolate too far from there, but I willing to wager that atleast some of that is purely because the attention isn't on gay people anymore.

There's no benefit in being the hot issue of the day.

[igor_balis]

I don't think it's even that they're stupid, it's just peak culture war. It's not even about Trans people anymore, it's just Loony Lefties and Fascist Feminazi's taking chunks out of each other and fuck the real world impact on the Trans Community and Women.

The world is more transphobic today than it was 10 years ago, meanwhile I would argue it's less homophobic. I'm not going to extrapolate too far from there, but I willing to wager that atleast some of that is purely because the attention isn't on them anymore.

There's no benefit in being the hot issue of the day.

aye, but it's kinda the same with gay rights - I'm sure the stonewall riots, in the short term, made a lot of people more consciously homophobic, but these are necessary steps. you have to resist. it's all well and good saying that trans people should keep their heads down or whatever, but that won't help anything in the long run.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's far less transphobic than 10 years ago. More prominence to the debate, but I would suggest the majority effect of that is that more people alter their behaviour. 10 years ago all and sundry would chuck around tranny remarks in normal life, much less of it now.

Same thing happened with homophobia. The reason it's less homophobic now is because there was a raging debate or whatever for years and eventually it got to critical mass whereby instead of calling people faggots, most people switched to not doing so.

[igor_balis]

Which ironically is how it's been for the last 30 years before all this shit kicked off. There's one 'side' that's started this, kept it going and refuses to let it lie until every single person publicly agrees with them.

almost word for word what people said about gay people 50 years ago. which is also the case with most of the other language of fear and division used by transphobic people.

[Yevrah]

aye, but it's kinda the same with gay rights - I'm sure the stonewall riots, in the short term, made a lot of people more consciously homophobic, but these are necessary steps. you have to resist. it's all well and good saying that trans people should keep their heads down or whatever, but that won't help anything in the long run.

Part of the problem seems to be that there are a load of people who're completely fucked off with the issue that are mistaken for transphobes as a result. They've got no issue with trans people, but they do have an issue with the hanging on twats (of which there are seemingly many) that have zero sense of reason and aren't even fighting for a cause that affects them, so fuck knows how they'll know when they've 'won'.

[Yevrah]

almost word for word what people said about gay people 50 years ago. which is also the case with most of the other language of fear and division used by transphobic people.

Conflating homosexuality with this issue is such a red herring. There weren't millions of people who had nothing to do with being homosexual raging for their cause on Twitter (or in the town square) and demanding we change language, basic biological definitions and sporting eligibility. You just don't get to do those things and expect to come off favourably with the people you're trying to change the minds of.

[Spikey M]

aye, but it's kinda the same with gay rights - I'm sure the stonewall riots, in the short term, made a lot of people more consciously homophobic, but these are necessary steps. you have to resist. it's all well and good saying that trans people should keep their heads down or whatever, but that won't help anything in the long run.

I don't mean that Trans people should keep their heads down. I mean their "allies". They should essentially take the position that alot of Black Americans do; "if you aren't black, don't speak on black matters".

Of course, me saying this is complete hypocrisy, but I am a straight white man (with a bit of seasining), so that's my right, soz.

[Lofty]

How many sports transformers have fully committed and had their cock off, that's the question.

[Yevrah]

It's the allies that are the problem and that's who I meant by a side.

[igor_balis]

Part of the problem seems to be that there are a load of people who're completely fucked off with the issue that are mistaken for transphobes as a result. They've got no issue with trans people, but they do have an issue with the hanging on twats (of which there are seemingly many) that have zero sense of reason and aren't even fighting for a cause that affects them, so fuck knows how they'll know when they've 'won'.

the hanging on twats who are fighting for a cause that doesn't effect them? you mean like...allies? again, substitute in straight people fighting for gay rights in the 60s and it's exactly the same language.

also "completely fucked off with the issue and mistaken for transphobes"? which issues would they be?

[Yevrah]

also "completely fucked off with the issue and mistaken for transphobes"? which issues would they be?

The insistence in changing language, basic biological definitions and sporting eligibility.

Which frankly are a ludicrous set of demands.

[igor_balis]

Conflating homosexuality with this issue is such a red herring. There weren't millions of people who had nothing to do with being homosexual raging for their cause on Twitter (or in the town square) and demanding we change language, basic biological definitions and sporting eligibility. You just don't get to do those things and expect to come off favourably with the people you're trying to change the minds of.

again, "have nothing to do with it" is a total non argument.

and again I really don't think the emergence of phrases like cis, or occasionally companies and organizations getting a bit heavy handed talking about ovary-having-humans instead of women is actually that much of an issue. the sports stuff, yeah, I think it's a reasonable thing to discuss

I also think talking about this as MILLIONS of people RAGING is bit citation needed.

[igor_balis]

The insistence in changing language, basic biological definitions and sporting eligibility.

Which frankly are a ludicrous set of demands.

not all trans people are making these demands, but it certainly benefits transphobes to make people think that they are.

like I said before, it's all a bit "you can't even say Christmas anymore"

[Yevrah]

And what's the end game with the gay rights comparison? We now know that previous generations should have accepted gay people much more willingly so we should cut to the chase with (this completely different issue) and accept EVERYTHING the rabid allies are asking for?

How does that even work?

[igor_balis]

I don't mean that Trans people should keep their heads down. I mean their "allies". They should essentially take the position that alot of Black Americans do; "if you aren't black, don't speak on black matters".

Of course, me saying this is complete hypocrisy, but I am a straight white man (with a bit of seasining), so that's my right, soz.

yeah I think this a pretty terrible argument, cus people are actively trying to chip away at the rights of trans people, so they need support from non trans people. when terfs turn up to do their lame protests, and shout about men in dresses, are you suggesting only trans people should turn up to counter protest? it's a mental argument.

[igor_balis]

And what's the end game with the gay rights comparison? We now know that previous generations should have accepted gay people much more willingly so we should cut to the chase with (this completely different issue) and accept EVERYTHING the rabid allies are asking for?

How does that even work?

accept EVERYTHING the rabid allies are asking for? what the fuck are you on about?

[Yevrah]

not all trans people are making these demands, but it certainly benefits transphobes to make people think that they are.


I don't think all trans people or even many of them at all are making any of these demands. My guess would be that a lot of them are wishing this would all just go away so they can go back to living in relative peace, without everyone they meet tip toeing around them. Like I said above, it's the allies and supporters that seem to be the ones who are.

[igor_balis]

some mad cunts might want to have cis gender legally included in people's passports and for literally anyone who fancies it to take part in women's sport and so on, but the vast majority just want trans people to be free from prejudice and to be allowed to live their lives.

[Yevrah]

accept EVERYTHING the rabid allies are asking for? what the fuck are you on about?

The stuff I've said above. Why do you keep conflating the issue with homosexuality in the 60s?

[Yevrah]

some mad cunts might want to have cis gender legally included in people's passports and for literally anyone who fancies it to take part in women's sport and so on, but the vast majority just want trans people to be free from prejudice and to be allowed to live their lives.

Well, yeah, who wouldn't want that for everyone. They need to shut the fringe element up then (it feels larger than a fringe, but let's go with that) as they're really not doing the movement any favours.

[Spikey M]

yeah I think this a pretty terrible argument, cus people are actively trying to chip away at the rights of trans people, so they need support from non trans people. when terfs turn up to do their lame protests, and shout about men in dresses, are you suggesting only trans people should turn up to counter protest? it's a mental argument.

No, I am saying that allies largely don't care what Trans people want, they just want their own voices to be heard, and then they end up giving the Daily Mail easy headlines when they say some stupid shit and it's Trans people on the receiving end of it.

Support Trans people, cool, just don't try to take over.

[Spikey M]

some mad cunts might want to have cis gender legally included in people's passports and for literally anyone who fancies it to take part in women's sport and so on, but the vast majority just want trans people to be free from prejudice and to be allowed to live their lives.

And there you've nailed it. It's the mad ones that need to shut up and the Trans Community should probably tell them to. The Daily Mail isn't interested in reasonable people.

[Yevrah]

For fear of reigniting this, it isn't just the mad ones though is it. This discussion started again due to a biologically born male winning a female cycling race. Their take on that was:


"After a week of nonsense on the internet I'm especially thankful to everyone in the peloton and sport who continues to affirm that Twitter is not real life,"

I'm assuming the nonsense she refers to includes people saying she shouldn't be competing, which isn't nonsense, more a very valid point to raise.

[Lewis]

yeah I think this a pretty terrible argument, cus people are actively trying to chip away at the rights of trans people, so they need support from non trans people. when terfs turn up to do their lame protests, and shout about men in dresses, are you suggesting only trans people should turn up to counter protest? it's a mental argument.


some mad cunts might want to have cis gender legally included in people's passports and for literally anyone who fancies it to take part in women's sport and so on, but the vast majority just want trans people to be free from prejudice and to be allowed to live their lives.

Do you define the 'rights of trans people' and 'want[ing] trans people to be free from prejudice' to include things like access to women-only spaces? It's easy to act like you're the reasonable person here, but taking a consistent position either way is bound to upset one side.

[igor_balis]

Do you define the 'rights of trans people' and 'want[ing] trans people to be free from prejudice' to include things like access to women-only spaces? It's easy to act like you're the reasonable person here, but taking a consistent position either way is bound to upset one side.

if by women-only spaces you mean bogs then yeah absolutely, MTF trans people having a shite in a cubicle next to a cis-woman is such a non-issue. changing rooms, I understand why it's quite an emotive topic, but I think cubicles instead of communal changing rooms are the obvious solution there - that staniland poses the deliberately provocative question of if you'd be happy for your daughter to be in the same room as a trans woman with bits flopping about, but I wouldn't want any child to be in a big room with naked adults.

[igor_balis]

the main effect trans panic about toilets seems to have had is less feminine looking cis women getting mad people accusing them of being blokes

[Lewis]

Toilets fine, changing rooms not fine. Presumably then sports, prisons, shelters, etc. also not fine. Congratulations. You are a transphobe.

[igor_balis]

do I get a medal? ideally one that should have gone to a cis woman :drool:

[Yevrah]

Toilets fine, changing rooms not fine. Presumably then sports, prisons, shelters, etc. also not fine. Congratulations. You are a transphobe.

I know you've got there first, but the crux of this is very few people actually believe that a trans Woman is a Woman, otherwise all of these things would be fine. Which makes us all transphobes in the eyes of many, which therefore makes the accusation almost meaningless, yet it's still banded about so much.

[Lewis]

I think if really, really pressed on it then most people would be forced to admit that they don't think transwomen are real women, but I also think that the only groups of people who have ever given it any real thought are the trannies themselves, and the so-called 'gender critical' people. Most people just vibe along with it in one form or another, including being terrified to be seen as any-sort-of-phobe, so the ratchet - as always - tends to click in favour of the people who are most insane and willing to bully their way to success, which obviously favours the mentally ill and/or fetishists.

[Raoul Duke]

Unemployed Igor going full anti-Glinner is gonna make May a fucking long month

[Spikey M]

Fuck off, play this right and we could have a good old fashioned chimp out.

Kiko: send GS a message, tell him he's needed.

Shinners: get yourself in Pavels DM's

Let's fucking go.

[Yevrah]

Did GS ever come back after vanishing?

[Shindig]

https://twitter.com/alexnostromo?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eser p%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Pavel should never come back here.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2591204/

Doxing his parents in his IMDB and listing his height. What a concrete mentalist. :D

[Foe]

My gaff have put ‘hygiene products’ in all the toilets recently.

The first time it happened I walked out assuming I’d gone into the ladies rather than the men’s, but confirmed it’s in all of them.

Every male colleague I’ve spoken to did the same as me.

[Baz]

What’s in there? If it’s deodorant, consider it passive aggression.

[randomlegend]

Tampons presumably?

[Foe]

Tampons presumably?

A variety of this style of products.

[igor_balis]

Unemployed Igor going full anti-Glinner is gonna make May a fucking long month

:D don't worry, I'm not a dedicated trans rights activist nor a single issue candidate, I will be sure to intersperse it with...err, well, the other shit I usually post.

[Manc]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/may/07/patients-getting-sicker-as-they-face-long-waits-for-nhs-care-says-top-gp

Exclusive.

[Spikey M]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12062513/Swarm-bees-stings-six-people-death-including-mother-eight-year-old-daughter.html?ito=push-notification&ci=6-ENgDTsZE&cri=POZx3QvtBB&si=avDRAZsBN0Zk&xi=d133c45f-b498-4de3-a728-373b335ae8e4&ai=12062513

Fuck me, what a way to go.

[Shindig]

What if the kids are just thick? (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-65563170)

[Gray Fox]

My daughter did that reading paper, came home and told us it was easy.

We then got several parents message us to ask how she found it because their kid was upset about it. But it's just sats. We've been telling her not to bat an eye about it because it doesn't affect her in the slightest. Seems not so much in other houses though.

[Shindig]

Aye, there's only one set of exams that matter and they spend the last year of school drumming it into them.

[niko_cee]

What sort of name is Pashley?

[Manc]

Ashley with a p.

[Shindig]

Could be a lot worse. I had a claimant the other day who legally went by their Fursona name.

[randomlegend]

Pashley really is impressively awful in its simplicity.

[Baz]

Hopefully it’s more normal by the time our Pash is in high school. :uhoh:

[Jimmy Floyd]

We need to go down the Icelandic route and restrict what names you can use. I suggest limiting it to these ten options for girls:

Margaret
Millicent
Agatha
Edith
Doris
Helen
Catherine
Trudy
Sandra
Prudence

[Yevrah]

'Pashley' is the least worrying thing about that article - we're genuinely creating a generation of absolute flanges.

[Lewis]

We need to go down the Icelandic route and restrict what names you can use. I suggest limiting it to these ten options for girls:

Margaret
Millicent
Agatha
Edith
Doris
Helen
Catherine
Trudy
Sandra
Prudence

It should be restricted to biblical or royal names.

[Pepe]

Looking at the names of my daughter's daycare peers I am starting to agree.

[Mike]

What if the kids are just thick? (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-65563170)

I was in sats again this year and had a look at it. It wasn’t that bad: It was awkward, but not overly hard. It didn’t start off with overly easy stuff which they normally do just to get them started, which I think has annoyed people.
Todays maths paper was lovely though, so anyone moaning about them being hard is ignoring todays.

[Ben]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65601292

Nothing will be done obviously but interesting to see it at least publicised nonetheless.

Food prices are surely being artificially inflated by some as we now shop at M&S and it’s the same price as Asda. This wouldn’t have been even close in previous years.

Fuel prices again seem to be inflated by supermarkets. I am filling up at the Shell service station for cheaper than the local Asda. They used to be a good >10p cheaper.

[Luke Emia]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65601292

Nothing will be done obviously but interesting to see it at least publicised nonetheless.

Food prices are surely being artificially inflated by some as we now shop at M&S and it’s the same price as Asda. This wouldn’t have been even close in previous years.

Fuel prices again seem to be inflated by supermarkets. I am filling up at the Shell service station for cheaper than the local Asda. They used to be a good >10p cheaper.

I think the Asda situation is because of the takeover. They seem to have basically given up on being cheap.

[Boydy]

Tesco's fucking extortionate these days and clubcard gets you about 20p off a 50 quid shop. I just go to Lidl for most stuff now.

[Luke Emia]

I’ve always preferred Aldi over Lidl but there isn’t much in it.

[Boydy]

I’ve always preferred Aldi over Lidl but there isn’t much in it.

We don't have Aldi here. :(

Down south has it and you guys over there have it but they've never bothered to set up in NI.

[Giggles]

Aldi and Lidl can get to fuck with their stupid 9am opening.

[Manc]

Loved Aldi in my younger days. Very much a Waitrose man these days.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Supermarkets have been cartelling to fuck since the pandemic. Got addicted to those big lockdown revenue hauls. You can just see the strategy meetings where agenda points 1, 2 and 3 are 'How can we keep this going?'

I go to the orange one but I'd love to have the option of not going to one at all (fucking Amazon Fresh and its variants are even worse, before anyone suggests that).

[phonics]

Not to go all leftist on it but this propaganda that inflation is due to wages and not corporate price fixing has to be one of the more disgusting acts of the post Global Recession era.

[Lewis]

Supermarkets make a comparatively tiny profit on massive sales, which is why there is never any actual evidence of them ripping customers off (farmers on the other hand).

[phonics]

A tiny profit comparitively to what?

[Yevrah]

Supermarkets run a high volume, low margin business model, whereas farmers run the opposite. Neither model necessarily equates to ripping people off.

[Yevrah]

Jim's right mind. Every business did it, but most were eventually stopped by demand for the product (at ridiculous prices) dropping off. The problem when it comes to supermarkets though is that people always need the products, no matter the price.

[Ben]

Which is why we switched to M&S. Someone told my Mrs that it is basically the same price as Asda/Tesco/Morrisons these days and we laughed it off as complete bobbins. She gave it a try anyway and fuck me, they were right. Our normal weekly supermarket shop always hovered around £60-70 in the new high price era and our last M&S effort was £61.85 and the quality of the fresh food is infinitely better. We don't use the supermarket for everything but we're not losing out and are getting better quality for it too.

[Spikey M]

A tiny profit comparitively to what?

This is how I should have dealt with the head stuff.

[Baz]

Anyone heard anything about this pink cocaine? Tuci.

[Bernanke]

Anyone heard anything about this pink cocaine? Tuci.

Yep, it was talked about a lot when I was in BCN last year. It sounded shit.


Pill Report provide information about drugs on Instagram. In one post they said: “The shit your dealer’s selling as Tuci is probably a plain old mix of ketamine and MDMA, with none of that elusive 2C-B.

“It’s a bit of a lucky dip too, as lab test sfrequently find caffeine 3-MMC and other synthetics.

“The amounts of each substance change wildly from batch to batch, so you’ll never get exactly the same high twice. It’s called ‘dealers’ leftovers’ in Holland as it’s literally the sweep of whatever’s in the bottom of the bag, then dyed pink to make it look pretty.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65632912

:D

[Jimmy Floyd]

Karina Gasparova also claimed that when Alexander Goulandris renamed a work file with his initials 'ajg' it was an abbreviation of "A Jumbo Genital".

I'd have ruled in her favour. This is watertight.

[randomlegend]

"a jumbo genital" ffs.

She sounds like she could do with a psychiatric assessment.

[Spikey M]

A Jumbo Genital :lol:

[Yevrah]

Clearly a deranged human being who should face some sort of punishment herself for raising that crap.

[Lofty]

Well she has to pay £5000.

[Yevrah]

That and some reputational damage sounds fair.

[Lewis]

Speaking of which: lmao (https://order-order.com/2023/05/18/carole-cadwalladr-ordered-to-pay-over-1-million-in-banks-legal-costs/)

[randomlegend]

The fuck is that site?

[Ben]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65648245

It was only a matter of time.

[Spikey M]

Good lad, but could do with the bus flooring it really.

[Shindig]

A spokesperson for Just Stop Oil said: "We understand how frustrating it can be to be disrupted, however, as of this morning, 13 people are dead and 13,000 people have had to be evacuated from their homes in Italy, due to six months' worth of rain falling in a day and a half.

Protest in Italy then. Or, I dunno, help the cunts out.

[niko_cee]

I suppose we should just be thankful that our empire came later, so we can rely on failing Victorian infrastructure, rather than failing Roman infrastructure.

[Giggles]

Those cunts need to be wiped out. The bus speeding up would be a good start.

[Pepe]

Floods never happened before 1950.

[niko_cee]

Speaking of which: lmao (https://order-order.com/2023/05/18/carole-cadwalladr-ordered-to-pay-over-1-million-in-banks-legal-costs/)

Has she got another gofundme on the go yet?

[Kikó]

People need to chill out and stop taking the law into their own hands. The celebration of assault is bizarre.

[Lewis]

Has she got another gofundme on the go yet?

Her existing one has raised some more money, but it still looks well short. Elsewhere, Jack Monroe was at it again, raising money for a court case that never happened. Beano on his way round as we speak.

[Lofty]

Jack Monroe's shite was obvious because she wasn't using a transparent crowd funder site, basically just saying 'put some cash in my account'.

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65635243

I know all bankers are bastards, and it's hardly surprising to see figures like Trichet at the heart of this sort of chicanery, but this is a pretty massive scandal right? I mean, notwithstanding that all banks and bankers are bastards, is it really right for massive fines and terms of imprisonment to be imposed for doing the same things that governments/state agencies essentially demanded be done, and then failed to disclose that had been demanded? Seems a bit off to me.

Fred the Shred will be wanting his knighthood back next.

[John Arne]

These school kids know exactly what they are doing.

Still, awesome likeness.

1660624257125081088

[phonics]

1660768116706516993

At what point does the celebs that have nothing to do with these stories sue for juxtaposition?

[Ben]

What's going on in Cardiff? A couple of people die in a car crash so the neighbourhood riots in response? Doesn't quite add up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

False rumours of a police chase leading to it, apparently.

I reckon the internet will get switched off within our lifetimes.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65671361

May aswell say 'the Police note that since she already resigned they are powerless to hand out any punishment.'

[Don]

False rumours of a police chase leading to it, apparently.

I reckon the internet will get switched off within our lifetimes.

:eyemouth:

[niko_cee]

Chase seems a bit of a strong term for something apparently involving an electric bike and a motor vehicle. I mean, that's not a pursuit that's going to last very long is it? The dimwits were probably 'fleeing' from the van and managed to head-on themselves into something else [how else do you manage to die crashing an electric bike?]. And the obvious reaction thereafter is to torch the neighbourhood.

[Lewis]

Any electric bike going fast enough to be involved in a deadly accident must have cost a few quid, so the current NARRATIVE all seems a bit too straight-forward.

[Raoul Duke]

People mod them to reduce the speed limiters on them. They can actually go pretty fast (~30mph ish, I think). Often get cops out here checking that

[Shindig]

I mean, a bike doesn't need to going quick to lose a fight with a van.

[-james-]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65700552

That woman is an absolute ghoul. FTP.

[Lofty]

The 'family photos' look like stills they post after a crime has been committed. Riding round on an electric scooter with their hoods up, sure they were lovely boys never hurt a fly.

[Shindig]

My theory is the kids saw the van behind them and got spooked. I'll gladly change my mind if there's footage of them hitting the sirens to pull them over.

[randomlegend]

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23545014.kings-lynn-queen-elizabeth-hospital-will-replaced/

It really is incredible that fucking HOSPITALS have been allowed to get into this state in an apparently first-world country. I haven't worked there for a few years but people who do say it's even worse than has been let on in the media.

[Shindig]

That's grim.

[Luke Emia]

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23545014.kings-lynn-queen-elizabeth-hospital-will-replaced/

It really is incredible that fucking HOSPITALS have been allowed to get into this state in an apparently first-world country. I haven't worked there for a few years but people who do say it's even worse than has been let on in the media.

Up the Lynn. What’s worse is that Truss and the other local Tory MP are taking this as some king of victory.

[Ben]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65692016

I'm sure this will descend into comments about the kid's hairline but let's try anyway.

[John Arne]

Clicked on the link, laughed at the hairline before the page got blocked. Would recommend.

[John Arne]

Turned on my VPN and read the story in full. Fuck me, America is seriously fucked up, especially if you happen to be black.

[Lofty]

If they fire that cop how is he going to make sure John McClane gets out of Nakatomi Plaza alive?

[Lofty]

Jim's theory gathers speed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65732352

[niko_cee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-65762503

:lol:

[Jimmy Floyd]

That is the most 'Indian elite' story possible, I think. Unless his next trick is to drain the Ganges to recover a bottle of limited edition scotch.

[Ben]

Incredible. :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-65765195

Even the police are tired of the twats now.

[Spikey M]

People need to stop recording it and start launching the phones of any of these cunts that are.

[Shindig]

One of them will get run over within the year.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's irritating that these cunts really genuinely believe they are on the right side of history. 'Just stop oil', might as well say 'Just stop pineapples' or 'Just stop iron ore', human beings use the resources at their disposal, end of story.

Middle-class jobless fucks. The shittest revolution ever. Think Marie Antoinette and her pals taking to the streets in 1789 demanding everyone move on to cake. 'Just stop bread'.

[Shindig]

Even if we stop using fossil fuels, that carbon has to go somewhere. Storage will just be the next problem.

[Lofty]

Yeah reminds me of a protest a while back when some youths had joined in and purposefully trapped themselves underground to stop development, their dad was on the news saying he hoped Percival and Tangerine were holding up ok.

[Kikó]

I think the message is important but the method is garbage. Alienating the people you'd actually need to support you is some fine wrong headed tactics.