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randomlegend
16-11-2022, 10:24 AM
There's nothing even mentioned about the ball in the article, unless I'm blind. How can the ball be wrong for women? Should be smaller/lighter or what?

niko_cee
16-11-2022, 10:34 AM
Should be shaped like an ovary.

Lofty
16-11-2022, 10:39 AM
There's nothing even mentioned about the ball in the article, unless I'm blind. How can the ball be wrong for women? Should be smaller/lighter or what?

Final three sentences, Mr Magoo:



And they call for more research into female players' concussion risk from heading the ball.

"There's a higher level of microtrauma in the white matter in women's brains," Dr Kryger says.

"That's not seen in men's football - so there could be a medical reason to change the ball."

randomlegend
16-11-2022, 10:40 AM
Whoops.

Jimmy Floyd
16-11-2022, 10:50 AM
I had quite an interesting economics teacher, in sixth form. He was Welsh and had many catchphrases. One of them was: "I've never seen a woman score a goal. Think about that."

Another was: "A woman's place is in the home." He believed this from a left-wing perspective, in that inequality is fomented by couples who both have jobs possessing disproportionate economic power over single-income households.

Another was to pronounce Thailand as 'Thigh-land'. He spent all his holidays in the south east Asian nation mentioned, only ever returning the day before the following school term began.

Another was: "A can of cucumber's not a can of corn." He refused to explain that one, and I've never worked it out to this day.

Spikey M
16-11-2022, 10:55 AM
A teacher that spent every non-working minute in Thailand you say? I assume his harddrive has been checked?

Lofty
20-11-2022, 12:00 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/the-reporters-63622746

Kikó
20-11-2022, 09:33 AM
Very beautiful man.

igor_balis
20-11-2022, 01:00 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/the-reporters-63622746

That's great, it's similar to my mates earl grey hoax which lasted for about 5 years until some jobsworth found the ancient book he'd cited and realised it was absolutely bollocks.

Don
26-11-2022, 05:04 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/26/london-fire-brigade-head-vows-change-after-damning-report

https://uploads.dailydot.com/2018/10/pikachu_surprised_meme-e1540570767482.png?auto=compress&fm=png

niko_cee
27-11-2022, 08:00 PM
Tiananmen Square 2 in the build up by the looks of things.

Shindig
27-11-2022, 08:12 PM
Something had to give. Covid isn't going away.

Lewis
27-11-2022, 08:13 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/26/london-fire-brigade-head-vows-change-after-damning-report

https://uploads=compress&fm=png


The report was commissioned after the death of Jaden Francois-Esprit, a trainee at Wembley fire station who took his own life aged 21 in August 2020. Francois-Esprit was teased about the Caribbean food he brought in for lunch and made 16 requests to be transferred to another station, an inquest heard last year.

:cab:

Pepe
27-11-2022, 08:28 PM
:lol:

Jimmy Floyd
27-11-2022, 08:45 PM
Nazir is one of life's great grifters, a bit like Michael Mansfield.

Spikey M
27-11-2022, 08:48 PM
Someone took the piss out of the sandwich I brought into work once. I knew I should have taken it further.

Lewis
27-11-2022, 08:50 PM
To be fair, the original story about him says he was also nicknamed 'lazy boy' and wasn't given a locker for months. Is it unreasonable to ask how somebody who does themselves in over that was expecting to cope with what they might see as a fireman?

Lofty
28-11-2022, 08:19 AM
By that metric I should have gone for millions in compensation when one of my colleagues photoshopped a picture of me serving up a shit sandwich and stuck it on my desk.

Spikey M
28-11-2022, 09:21 AM
Am I going to get served? :uhoh:

Spikey M
28-11-2022, 01:49 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63782514

Heads are now so far gone they may never come back.

randomlegend
28-11-2022, 02:15 PM
Saying that the name monkey pox is racist is itself racist.

niko_cee
28-11-2022, 02:19 PM
Are actual monkeys allowed to be referred to as monkeys or do we need a whole new form of shorthand classification? Squirrel simians, howler simians, cheeky simians etc?

niko_cee
28-11-2022, 02:21 PM
Also, the WHO should have had Hanson make this announcement through the medium of late 90s wuss rock.

Spikey M
28-11-2022, 02:30 PM
It's just the same shit that happened with Covid (minus the gay shaming) and HIV. People just had to be a bit clever to come up with their slurs, like "Kung Flu".

MonkeyPox must make it easier for the biggots, granted, but I'm not sure changing the name is focusing on the right strand of the problem.

Actually, changing it to Mpox is possibly worse, because now the M can mean both "monkey" and "mincing".

Biggotry 2-0 THE SCIENCE.

Ben
28-11-2022, 02:30 PM
Mincepox :D

igor_balis
28-11-2022, 02:39 PM
Mincepox :D

I love that Robbie Williams song

Lewis
28-11-2022, 02:52 PM
How is 'monkeypox' racist when it's now mostly associated with homosexuals?

niko_cee
30-11-2022, 06:20 PM
Whilst I found this (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63810468) quite amusing, without wanting to trivialise the obvious trauma of it all, it got me to thinking, when will we reach the point [if we haven't already] where casual racism will no longer be simply an eye-roll inducing thing when it comes to 'old people'?

I reckon an unreformed 83 year old posho is probably still firmly in the 'that's what it was like back then' sort of way, but we must be close to the tipping point.

Lofty
30-11-2022, 10:50 PM
Lol at a PR disaster being brought on by effectively a volunteer nana.

Lewis
30-11-2022, 10:52 PM
The traumatised victim did well to remember the conversation in such damning detail.

Shindig
01-12-2022, 09:31 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63816454


San Francisco's ruling Board of Supervisors has voted to let the city's police use robots that can kill.


Dr Catherine Connolly, from the group Stop Killer Robots, said the move was a "slippery slope" that could distance humans from killing.

Realistically, there's only a couple of instances I can think of a bomb bot being deployed. One of which is outlined in the article.

Boydy
01-12-2022, 09:58 AM
They'll be drone striking protests before long, I'm sure.

Ben
01-12-2022, 10:00 AM
How long before a trigger-happy American sets off a bomb for spurious reasons?

Alex
02-12-2022, 02:21 PM
When the BBC goes with a live news feed entitled "Cheap ways to shop and tips to feed yourself well as costs rise" (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-63748223) you know already it will be packed full of sound bites from absolutely moronic members of the general public who don't know their arse from their elbow.


"Just the two of us. We’ve started meal planning each week, doing a weekly shop and only buying what we need so we don’t waste ingredients and food. This has saved us £50 per month. We also cook mostly in our multi-function air fryer instead of using the oven and gas hob, and have started hand washing dishes instead of using the dishwasher - saving us £5 per week according to our smart meter."

That's Lee, from Bury, weighing in with the truly revelatory information that if you actually think about what you need to buy and only buy that you will, in fact, save money!


She says that for Christmas lunch, the family will be swapping roast turkey for chicken and honey-roasted parsnips for frozen peas to keep costs down.

And poor Lisa from Hertfordshire, preparing for a positively Dickensian Christmas without the honey-roasted parsnips.

Fucking drips.

Boydy
02-12-2022, 02:29 PM
Parsnips aren't even expensive. And you can get a cheap jar of honey in tesco.

But yeah, these things are always full of nonsense.

Ben
02-12-2022, 02:30 PM
My mind explodes every time I have the misfortune to be in a supermarket at busy times. Now I realise it's these fucking numbskulls that are the ones utilising the previously-assumed useless contact form at the bottom of BBC news pages.

Spikey M
02-12-2022, 02:32 PM
I had to sit through a conversation between colleagues earlier this week that involved them sharing similar tips.

Apparently, if you bulk out a chilli with a load of beans and veg you get twice the amount and you can freeze the left overs. Honestly lads, I shit you not, if you cook extra food and don't eat it all, you have extra food left over. Mind blowing stuff.

My favourite though - by some margin - was that a "fakeaway" is cheaper than a takeaway and nearly as good. Honestly had no idea I could cook a burger or a curry at home until then.

Basically:


https://youtu.be/5GyUmJBqNus

Jimmy Floyd
02-12-2022, 02:37 PM
Old people blocking supermarket shelves is my pet peeve/fascination at this time of year. The conversations you hear while waiting for them to fuck off away from the product you want.

"Have we got any of these, Margaret?"
"What do you want those for, Jim?"
"Well, I don't know. Might it not be nice?"
"I don't think we'll eat them, will we?"
"Aren't the grandkids coming round?"
"Not until next Thursd'y."
"Well, it's only six ion the packet, we could have them with our tea."
"Why are you always wanting silly things like this?"
"It was only a thought."

Death stalks these people like a jaugar, ready to descend from a suburban sycamore and bite through their brains, not a fucking moment too soon.

Alex
02-12-2022, 02:39 PM
Yeah, I forgot about that Flanagan bit but it does sum it up very well. We've basically normalised a lot of peoples opinions that they are "struggling financially" when they are, in fact, just fucking morons. I'm not disputing that a great many are struggling to make ends meet, I don't want to misconstrue myself there. But there's so much genuine, frightening stupidity feeding into a lot of this too.

Boydy
02-12-2022, 02:41 PM
Tbh I assumed the venn diagram of people giving out these stupid "tips" and Micky Flanagan viewers was a circle.

Spikey M
02-12-2022, 02:44 PM
Tbh I assumed the venn diagram of people giving out these stupid "tips" and Micky Flanagan viewers was a circle.

That "Oxbridge Cunt" line hit home.

wullie
02-12-2022, 02:52 PM
The idea of Greggg Wallace hammering down the custard gets me every time.

Kikó
02-12-2022, 04:18 PM
Old people blocking supermarket shelves is my pet peeve/fascination at this time of year. The conversations you hear while waiting for them to fuck off away from the product you want.

"Have we got any of these, Margaret?"
"What do you want those for, Jim?"
"Well, I don't know. Might it not be nice?"
"I don't think we'll eat them, will we?"
"Aren't the grandkids coming round?"
"Not until next Thursd'y."
"Well, it's only six ion the packet, we could have them with our tea."
"Why are you always wanting silly things like this?"
"It was only a thought."

Death stalks these people like a jaugar, ready to descend from a suburban sycamore and bite through their brains, not a fucking moment too soon.

This is probably my mum and gran who's life consists predominately of going to Tesco/Lidl/Sainsbury's and buying random food most of the week. My nan has a freezer of meet frozen for my visits which means I get to have beef she bought around 8 months previously.

Lewis
02-12-2022, 04:21 PM
There used to be a programme on the BBC called 'Trade Secrets' that had actual professionals giving helpful little tips, but New Labour leaned on the BBC to cancel it to stop people running their own lives. I saw a headline earlier about people having to eat pet food because of the Cost of Living. What? I've never bought a tin of dog food (assuming the pet food in question was dog food), but surely it can't be cheaper than the equivalent amount of human food, so how has that happened?

randomlegend
02-12-2022, 04:31 PM
but surely it can't be cheaper than the equivalent amount of human food, so how has that happened?

I assumed you'd be wrong about this but having had a look there's not much in it to be honest.

Something like this:
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/306661169

Is barely more expensive than cheap dog food:
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/308087333

Although the dog food might be more palatable.

Spikey M
02-12-2022, 04:32 PM
My dogs biscuits cost about £15 a bag. They last him a month, but the he's only small. It would probably last a human about a week, but I reckon I could do a week on Bourbons and Custard Creams for less.

Lewis
02-12-2022, 04:38 PM
Pound-for-pound, what is the cheapest thing you could live off (including cooking costs if it's rice or whatever)? You might end up with the most boring diet imaginable, but it seems to be me that there are a lot of options to consider before having to eat pet food.

Manc
02-12-2022, 04:41 PM
Worked for Mel Gibson.

Spikey M
02-12-2022, 04:53 PM
Pound-for-pound, what is the cheapest thing you could live off (including cooking costs if it's rice or whatever)? You might end up with the most boring diet imaginable, but it seems to be me that there are a lot of options to consider before having to eat pet food.

Noodles probably. About 30p for 300 calories per pack.

Not exactly nutritious, but you could get 2100 calories for about £2 a day. They cook in about 5 minutes too.

Lewis
02-12-2022, 05:00 PM
In pure calorie terms (excluding blocks of lard or whatever) it might be cheapo biscuits, but would two packs of custard creams a day fill you up?

Boydy
02-12-2022, 05:04 PM
Was the dog food thing because people couldn't afford the energy to cook food?

Because otherwise surely some cheap pasta and a simple sauce would work out cheaper?

Ben
02-12-2022, 05:13 PM
In pure calorie terms (excluding blocks of lard or whatever) it might be cheapo biscuits, but would two packs of custard creams a day fill you up?

That doesn’t even last two cups of tea lad.

Kikó
02-12-2022, 05:18 PM
Having just noodles a day is a quick way to scurvy and other vitamin deficiencies. May as well get a pack of the dog food with it for a bit of protein.

SvN
02-12-2022, 05:36 PM
The answer must be bread.

Don
02-12-2022, 07:00 PM
Sardines (50p) or Weetabix (10p a biscuit, 50pish a serving of milk?) would be my go to if in trouble.

Baz
02-12-2022, 07:04 PM
Kitchen roll.

Pepe
02-12-2022, 07:07 PM
Beans.

Lewis
02-12-2022, 07:10 PM
Milk would have been an obvious protein/vitamin booster in any poverty diet, what with it being a superfood, but it seems to have almost doubled in price recently.

Spikey M
02-12-2022, 07:18 PM
I really don't think it's that difficult if you plan. A whole chicken is about £3.50. Buy 2 of them and that's ample meat for the week.

Bag of rice, bag of pasta, some tinned tomatoes, a bag of frozen mixed veg.

It's not going to take you to flavour town but that's a weeks food for about £15.

Fuck it, chuck a loaf of bread on and some cheap marg, jam, whatever and have toast for breakfast.

Alright you have the cost of cooking it, but if it comes to it the slow cooker - grim as it may be - costs about the same amount as a light bulb.

Giggles
02-12-2022, 07:20 PM
Do you eat much slow cooked bread?

Spikey M
02-12-2022, 07:24 PM
You know what I mean, but if you visit one of those slow cooker groups on Facebook I absolutely guarantee you a 50-something year old woman with a cat as their profile picture has a recipe for slowcooker toast.

Spikey M
02-12-2022, 07:35 PM
I went to have a look out of interest and got as far as this. It's completely ruined my night to be honest. I'm going to bed.

https://i.ibb.co/ww59x07/Screenshot-20221202-193252-Facebook.jpg

Sir Andy Mahowry
02-12-2022, 07:36 PM
I'd rather eat Taz's shit.

Shindig
02-12-2022, 07:38 PM
And Taz will let you.

Manc
02-12-2022, 07:47 PM
I'd rather eat Taz's shit.

On a plate or from his hands?

Giggles
02-12-2022, 07:48 PM
I’d happily eat that. Ingredients, from what we see, look ok.

Sir Andy Mahowry
02-12-2022, 08:10 PM
On a plate or from his hands?
Plate, I'm not an animal.

Lewis
02-12-2022, 08:13 PM
You could just nibble it off his fingers when he wipes.

hfswjyr
02-12-2022, 09:55 PM
Old people blocking supermarket shelves is my pet peeve/fascination at this time of year. The conversations you hear while waiting for them to fuck off away from the product you want.

"Have we got any of these, Margaret?"
"What do you want those for, Jim?"
"Well, I don't know. Might it not be nice?"
"I don't think we'll eat them, will we?"
"Aren't the grandkids coming round?"
"Not until next Thursd'y."
"Well, it's only six ion the packet, we could have them with our tea."
"Why are you always wanting silly things like this?"
"It was only a thought."

Death stalks these people like a jaugar, ready to descend from a suburban sycamore and bite through their brains, not a fucking moment too soon.

Where are you shopping?

Spikey M
02-12-2022, 10:33 PM
Surrey.

Lofty
02-12-2022, 10:38 PM
Jack Monroe has grifted an entire career of this nonsense tip shit, 'if you buy minimal ingredients (and have loads in at home) you cab do your shop for £20!' Thankfully people saw the light a bit when she reckoned she was watering down soap instead of buying showergel.

Shindig
02-12-2022, 10:50 PM
It's also focusing around food before looking at what else people can scrap from their lives.

Spikey M
02-12-2022, 10:54 PM
Jack Monroe has grifted an entire career of this nonsense tip shit, 'if you buy minimal ingredients (and have loads in at home) you cab do your shop for £20!' Thankfully people saw the light a bit when she reckoned she was watering down soap instead of buying showergel.

I mean, you can if you live an extremely pragmatic life. You can survive on a tiny amount of money. The problem is people have feelings, wants and needs, and they add about a grand to most peoples monthly bills.

Molton must be a billionaire by now off the back of his chicken on pasta savings.

Foe
02-12-2022, 10:59 PM
Didn’t Toby do something like this where he challenged himself to live off a tenner a week or less.

Think he basically loaded up on pasta and potato. A meagre existence, but as you say, the do isn’t infeasible, it’s the expectation that “nice” things are needed.

Baz
03-12-2022, 09:57 PM
My wife went to meet her mate today in a garden centre café. Came back miserable. Turns out her mates mate died on Wednesday by drowning in Billie Piper's bath. :harold: Called Daisy, apparently, and was the live-in nanny for Billie Piper's kids. Not sure if intentional or what. Weird story though.

niko_cee
06-12-2022, 03:00 PM
I see another egg has been thrown at KC3, is that a thing now?

Lofty
07-12-2022, 09:09 AM
Eggs and sausage are a classic combination after all.

SvN
07-12-2022, 09:14 AM
Eggs and gammon*

Spikey M
07-12-2022, 09:16 AM
I see another egg has been thrown at KC3, is that a thing now?

With the Queen's death it has somehow become fashionable to start banging on about the Empire again. It's all self hating white people that spend too much time watching race-baiting Yank series' on Netflix as you would expect.

Jimmy Floyd
07-12-2022, 09:34 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55559966

This article on the beeb just sums up everything. British news having such a long piece on a minor foreign politician is weird enough as it is, let alone an unashamed puff piece. However, take this quote:


Rev Warnock has said his principles are driven by his faith. "I've always tried to leverage the moral truth to create moral good. My whole life has been about service. And that doesn't end at the church door, it starts there."

If this was said by a white Democrat politician, there would perhaps be an eyebrow raised. If it was said by a white Republican politican, it would be treated as frightening. If it was said by a white British politician of any party... they'd just be laughed out of town. All by the same BBC puff piece author.

niko_cee
07-12-2022, 09:47 AM
I enjoyed this article (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-63874001) in the sidebar.

Spikey M
07-12-2022, 09:51 AM
You can thank the Gender-baiting of Twitter for that one. And all those kidnapping murdering police officers, obviously.

Jimmy Floyd
07-12-2022, 09:52 AM
I enjoyed this article (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-63874001) in the sidebar.

The first few paras of that are straight from the Daily Mash / Onion.

Ben
07-12-2022, 12:00 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63885028

:cab:

Spikey M
07-12-2022, 12:10 PM
Coming to a Beer Hall soon.

niko_cee
07-12-2022, 12:21 PM
It's a shame these things get foiled (other than averting all the death and whatnot) as it would be fascinating to see what would happen when 50-odd lunatics tried to overthrow an entire country/government.

Jimmy Floyd
07-12-2022, 12:24 PM
They'd get marched out by the police in about five minutes. Probably impossible to do, nowadays, in an advanced country, unless you had a massive upswell of popular support behind you that made the elites put their bats under their arms.

Spikey M
07-12-2022, 12:51 PM
A military coup would still work pretty much everywhere, but yeah. We could do with one here really.

Bernanke
07-12-2022, 01:10 PM
[SIGN UP] Please join my Liverpool City Council coup
Started by Baz, 10-03-2023 1:18 PM

Boydy
07-12-2022, 01:23 PM
A military coup would still work pretty much everywhere, but yeah. We could do with one here really.

If you want a full fash far right government, sure.

Ben
07-12-2022, 01:44 PM
Has a military junta ever gone well?

Disco
07-12-2022, 01:45 PM
For the military sure.

Spikey M
07-12-2022, 01:58 PM
Well that's my first firing squad line up sorted. Well volunteered lads.

Jimmy Floyd
07-12-2022, 02:01 PM
I'd take a posho military coup over Liz Truss, I think.

Kikó
07-12-2022, 04:35 PM
[SIGN UP] Please join my Liverpool City Council coup
Started by Baz, 10-03-2023 1:18 PM

:D
dots

Shindig
09-12-2022, 10:15 AM
Brittany Griner has an unfortunate voice.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63908670

Don
09-12-2022, 02:22 PM
Guardian doing a nice job on the Mone-Barrowman story, the fucking pair of disgusting king gammons. Hopefully will lead to a suicide in the family.

Lewis
09-12-2022, 02:44 PM
Brittany Griner has an unfortunate voice.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63908670

They must be a bit of both at the very least.

niko_cee
10-12-2022, 12:11 PM
Some bad shit going down in Offy's manor of late. A fishing boat was totalled by a freighter earlier in the week (3 presumed dead) and now a block of flats has blown up in the night with at least 1 fatality.

Offshore Toon
10-12-2022, 01:54 PM
The explosion was actually pretty close to me (I'm on the other side of the Fort, so maybe 400m-500m distance). I can smell smoke in the garden too. Send your prayers, boys. We need em more than ever.

Lofty
12-12-2022, 12:08 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-63944005

Brutal.

SincereTheRebel
12-12-2022, 02:50 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-63944005

Brutal.

Fuck. If any adults were there at time...

Spikey M
12-12-2022, 03:08 PM
More to the point, if there wasn't, why the fuck were the younger 2 there without an adult?

Lewis
12-12-2022, 06:01 PM
Has it ever been cold enough in our lives for a lake to freeze hard enough to hold the weight of somebody, let alone several people? What were they doing?

Giggles
12-12-2022, 06:24 PM
Being children.

Don
12-12-2022, 06:32 PM
Judging off the attire and hairstyles of 'the public' in that article's photo, I suspect if they weren't out playing on that lake they'd be smoking spice. Almost certainly gone to a better place.

Kikó
12-12-2022, 07:03 PM
Has it ever been cold enough in our lives for a lake to freeze hard enough to hold the weight of somebody, let alone several people? What were they doing?

This (https://www.webbaviation.co.uk/aerial/picture.php?/18506) froze up last time it was really cold in Manchester (and i lived there) and was strong enough to hold people. (Well I saw people walking on it like idiots and no one died)

Jimmy Floyd
14-12-2022, 09:23 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63954862

I think I'd heard of this policy before, but it really makes me feel uncomfortable.

Yevrah
14-12-2022, 10:22 AM
Seems like a surefire way to create a black market.

Disco
14-12-2022, 10:37 AM
If your goal is to reduce smoking then that's hardly a problem.

Giggles
14-12-2022, 10:52 AM
I've long said that's the perfect way to do it, even when I was smoking. There's no desire to ever stop smoking in most countries though because it's such a money maker in the short term.

Spikey M
14-12-2022, 10:55 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63954862

I think I'd heard of this policy before, but it really makes me feel uncomfortable.

It's pathetic. If they want to ban it - which they should - then just fucking ban it.

Sir Andy Mahowry
14-12-2022, 04:48 PM
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/wash-hands-regularly-brits-urged-as-faeces-and-deadly-bacteria-is-found-on-self/

Taz?

Waffdon
14-12-2022, 10:30 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-63944005

Brutal.

Another kid has been confirmed to have died now. Christ.

Manc
14-12-2022, 10:43 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/14/six-year-old-boy-becomes-fourth-child-to-die-after-fall-into-solihull-lake

Another said: “To my friend, thanks for being there for me when I was sad. Thanks for lending me your jacket when I was cold.”

Too soon.

niko_cee
16-12-2022, 10:06 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63996982

:lol:

Thought and prayers with all the fish, natch.

SvN
16-12-2022, 10:08 AM
Another kid has been confirmed to have died now. Christ.

I considered not posting this, as I know it's insensitive, but why the fuck is a 6 year old out playing on a lake unsupervised? It just completely baffles me. Presumably they thought he'd be alright because the 10 year old is there, which seems to be a common train of thought for retarded parents who can't be arsed to actually do any parenting.

SincereTheRebel
16-12-2022, 10:37 AM
All kinds of madness.

Dquincy
16-12-2022, 11:27 AM
I considered not posting this, as I know it's insensitive, but why the fuck is a 6 year old out playing on a lake unsupervised? It just completely baffles me. Presumably they thought he'd be alright because the 10 year old is there, which seems to be a common train of thought for retarded parents who can't be arsed to actually do any parenting.

100% agree. Kids do not analyse risk at the best of times. Whilst we can't protect them from every scenario, this situation seems mad given their young ages.

Absolutely tragic.

niko_cee
16-12-2022, 11:52 AM
It's probably easy to cast judgement given what happened, and it probably is a case of somewhat poor parenting, but, at the same time, there could be salient facts that such judgment overlooks or ignores. Kids who live on housing estates or next to parks or whatever (I don't know the geographical details of this lake) should be able to play in those areas without needing constant supervision (and probably do without incident 99.9% of the time), even young ones if they are with older children. Letting your kids go out and play in the snow, maybe whilst you are 'working from home' shouldn't simply default to a judgment of neglect when something terrible happens. This is obviously a freak accident and the best way to respond to it should be compassion and sympathy, not by seeking to apportion blame.

SvN
16-12-2022, 11:56 AM
A 6 year old should not be playing outside without supervision. I don't give a shit where you live.

Yevrah
16-12-2022, 12:02 PM
A 6 year old should not be playing outside without supervision. I don't give a shit where you live.

Out of interest, how old would you say is acceptable?

niko_cee
16-12-2022, 12:03 PM
Without supervision or without adult supervision?

Spikey M
16-12-2022, 12:04 PM
Out of interest, how old would you say is acceptable?

Depends on the maturity of the child. But 6 is ridiculous.

Yevrah
16-12-2022, 12:06 PM
Depends on the maturity of the child. But 6 is ridiculous.

As Niko's said, even with an older sibling?

Spikey M
16-12-2022, 12:13 PM
As Niko's said, even with an older sibling?

If said older sibling is also not mature enough to realise that they shouldn't be playing on a frozen lake themselves, yes.

It's impossible to define an age because kids are completely different. Some 10 year olds would possibly be sensible enough to stop them, others would happily put their siblings in a cannon and fire to see how far they can shoot them.

Clearly, in this case, said 10 year old was not old/mature enough.

Waffdon
16-12-2022, 12:22 PM
Depends on the maturity of the child. But 6 is ridiculous.

Every situation has different context but I’m not really sure 6 years old is ridiculous. You’re telling me you wouldn’t allow a 6 year old to go out and play with his older sibling without you being there? Poor kids :D

Spikey M
16-12-2022, 12:25 PM
Every situation has different context but I’m not really sure 6 years old is ridiculous. You’re telling me you wouldn’t allow a 6 year old to go out and play with his older sibling without you being there? Poor kids :D

You don't have a 6 year old and it shows.

SvN
16-12-2022, 12:28 PM
Out of interest, how old would you say is acceptable?

As Spikey said, it depends on the specific child, 6 is never the correct answer. The idea of a 10 year old being capable of "supervising" is ludicrous.

Waffdon
16-12-2022, 12:28 PM
So if you lived in an estate and one of your kids was 10 and the other 6, you wouldn’t allow them to go to the park to play on the swings without you being there?

Jimmy Floyd
16-12-2022, 12:30 PM
I'm sure 6 year olds would have roamed free back in the day. Probably all died in horrible accidents, but based on my old man's childhood anecdotes there's no way he wasn't being let out by that age.

I think I was being let out alone by about 9.

Don
16-12-2022, 12:34 PM
You shouldn't be letting your kids out on the estates until they've got themselves a place in univeristy and a way out of the gammon life.

Waffdon
16-12-2022, 12:34 PM
I would have been out and about at 6 straight after school with every other dosser who lived in my area without the need of a parent being there to stand over. Maybe a look out the window every now and then. Buses to Dundee in P7 so that would be aged 10.

Spikey M
16-12-2022, 12:35 PM
So if you lived in an estate and one of your kids was 10 and the other 6, you wouldn’t allow them to go to the park to play on the swings without you being there?

Not at 6, no. I think you are grossly over estimating the maturity and awareness of most 6 year olds.

Spikey M
16-12-2022, 12:38 PM
I would have been out and about at 6 straight after school with every other dosser who lived in my area without the need of a parent being there to stand over. Maybe a look out the window every now and then. Buses to Dundee in P7 so that would be aged 10.

Yeah, but it's not 1994 and it's more civilised down here.

Waffdon
16-12-2022, 12:51 PM
Obviously a lot more nonces kicking about in Essex than good old Carnoustie. Thoughts and prayers with you and your children.

Spikey M
16-12-2022, 01:08 PM
Obviously a lot more nonces kicking about in Essex than good old Carnoustie. Thoughts and prayers with you and your children.

Wouldn't be surprised. Dennis Nilsen, Ian Brady, Peter Tobin, all the Scotch nonces come down here. They must like the challenge good parenting offers.

Waffdon
16-12-2022, 01:28 PM
Solihull isn’t that far from Essex, mate

Lofty
16-12-2022, 03:40 PM
I thought Dennis Nilsen was more of a repressed gay serial killer with a poor understanding of plumbing than a nonce?

6 is too young though. I saw my 6 year old niece the other weekend and she is a fucking moron.

Spikey M
16-12-2022, 04:47 PM
I thought Dennis Nilsen was more of a repressed gay serial killer with a poor understanding of plumbing than a nonce?

6 is too young though. I saw my 6 year old niece the other weekend and she is a fucking moron.

Google says his youngest was 14. Which is the average age of single mums in Scotland, so yeah, fair enough.

Kikó
16-12-2022, 05:49 PM
I think I'd let a six year old out with older children if it was relatively close to the house. I think it's a bit easy to call the parents out when something freaky happens.

Spikey M
16-12-2022, 06:27 PM
I think I'd let a six year old out with older children if it was relatively close to the house. I think it's a bit easy to call the parents out when something freaky happens.

Wait until yours is 6. I guarantee you wouldn’t. Not with a 10 year old, anyway.

John Arne
17-12-2022, 03:34 AM
I tried to remember at what age I was allowed out (either by myself or with my big bro).

It then occured to me that the cannot remember a single thing before the age of 12 or 13. Is that normal?

Offshore Toon
17-12-2022, 04:10 AM
Nah, I remember loads from about 4, with a few memories before that. My earliest is being in one of those doorframe swings. Must have been like 1/2 I guess.

Kikó
17-12-2022, 07:28 AM
I don't remember doing that much in detail but I spent a lot of my childhood wagging school (actually hated primary school and changed when I was in my second last year), playing on my mega drive, and playing cricket, football in the street in front of the house.

John Arne
17-12-2022, 07:31 AM
Rumours abound that Princess Bajrakitiyabha, daughter of the wacky King of Thailand, has died. "They" want to keep it secret until the new year... not quite sure how you keep a secret nowadays, but there we are.

Shindig
17-12-2022, 06:56 PM
Cardboard cut-out waving from a window. They'll never suspect owt.

Spikey M
18-12-2022, 12:05 PM
I also wouldn't let me kids go out with Scousers, but that was probably already true.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-64017204

-james-
20-12-2022, 02:17 PM
1604555387243724800

:lol:

Jimmy Floyd
20-12-2022, 02:25 PM
American crosswords are like their podcasts and TV shows. Who has time to do 100 fucking clues. Employ an editor ffs.

Ben
20-12-2022, 02:27 PM
:D

-james-
20-12-2022, 02:44 PM
American crosswords are like their podcasts and TV shows. Who has time to do 100 fucking clues. Employ an editor ffs.

I do the NYT one a few times a week and going back to our plebby single intersect ones is like stepping back in time. Monday to Wednesday are 10-20 minute jobs, it's just the weekend ones take about an hour.

Jimmy Floyd
20-12-2022, 02:54 PM
Our cryptic ones are superior to any of the NYT's pathetic 'word games'. Got three on the Guardian one today, feel like Philip Roth.

Ian
20-12-2022, 03:04 PM
Cryptic crosswords are the pits. You're just learning the bizarre logic of one particular weirdo. My mum and dad used to explain them to me sometimes and if anything know how they worked made it worse.

"Two little herons. Depressed, but can they crochet?"
"Ah, yes, clearly 'tennis' is the answer. Very clever."

Fuck off.

Jimmy Floyd
20-12-2022, 03:17 PM
Here's one I did earlier. 11 down on today's graun.

'Poet taking sweetheart round Spanish city (6)'

Ovid was a Greek poet. Ovid 'takes' the heart of the word 'sweet' (i.e. an e) and becomes Ovied. This is followed by something round (an O). Answer: Oviedo.

That one answer took me about 25 minutes. There are people who can rattle off two or three puzzles a day with 30 such clues each. Most of them are in the comments underneath giving it 'Polished that one off in about 12 minutes, pretty easy tbh'.

Baz
20-12-2022, 03:26 PM
I'm glad my brain doesn't work like that.

Spikey M
20-12-2022, 03:40 PM
There's torture methods I'd rather be subjected to than that.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 10:26 AM
Hahahahaha. What a self serving cunt.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11561293/Comedian-Joe-Lycett-faces-hypocrisy-storm-pictured-money-spinning-Qatar-gig.html?ito=push-notification&ci=Wn8rRicVVT&cri=t2Tm8N4gnK&si=avDRAZsBN0Zk&xi=d133c45f-b498-4de3-a728-373b335ae8e4&ai=11561293

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 10:31 AM
Oh dear. File him with Gary Neville then.

Kikó
21-12-2022, 10:39 AM
People can change opinions in 7 years?

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 10:46 AM
People can change opinions in 7 years?

That logic would/could also apply to David Beckham though, so no problem.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 10:48 AM
People can change opinions in 7 years?

:harold:

Then you come out and say you regret doing it and urge others not to do the same up front. What you don't do is drag someone else through the mud and lie about shredding 10 grand in OUTRAGE while not mentioning that you've also sucked at the Qatari teat yourself.

Kikó
21-12-2022, 11:09 AM
He did a gig 7 years ago. He was right to call out Beckham.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 11:12 AM
I repeat :harold:

wullie
21-12-2022, 11:15 AM
Did Beckham actually do much promoting? Apart from the Joe Lycett thing I barely saw anything of him, Qatar should be getting their money back

Jimmy Floyd
21-12-2022, 11:20 AM
David Beckham's name dragged through the mud, my heart bleeds.

Being a hypocrite is far better than being a bastard.

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 11:24 AM
David Beckham's name dragged through the mud, my heart bleeds.

Being a hypocrite is far better than being a bastard.

And if David Beckham realises the error of his ways in 7 years time he moves into the hypocrite category? This is all such nonsense. Or what Spikey said.

EDIT: He doesn't even need to realise the error of his ways, or acknowledge them does he, he just needs to call someone else out. :cab:

Boydy
21-12-2022, 11:26 AM
There's probably a difference between an emerging comedian doing some gigs in a country and an already extremely wealthy and well known ex-footballer doing PR explicitly for that country.

I'm not an expert in nuance though so I don't know.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 11:27 AM
David Beckham's name dragged through the mud, my heart bleeds.

Being a hypocrite is far better than being a bastard.

I have zero sympathy for David Beckham. He is indeed a scum bag for happily cashing in both from being a "gay icon" and from a state that would throw his gay fans from roof tops. That's neither here nor there.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 11:29 AM
There's probably a difference between an emerging comedian doing some gigs in a country and an already extremely wealthy and well known ex-footballer doing PR explicitly for that country.

I'm not an expert in nuance though so I don't know.

Had he not dragged David Beckham in the way he did, then sure. There are countless ways he could have spoken out without also being a hypocrite.

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 11:33 AM
Indeed. He could have said, I'm shredding the fee I received for doing it as I now realise the error of my ways, but that wouldn't have had as much gravitas as just outright calling him out, so he didn't and naively assumed no one would notice he'd also taken the Qatari cash.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 11:34 AM
In other news - this time brought to you by The Daily Star because I am only using quality sources today - what a way to die. :sick:

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-killed-during-tug-war-28784176

Kikó
21-12-2022, 11:37 AM
You should DM him all your good ideas in future yev.

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 11:37 AM
In any case, given our lives and sporting institutions are absolutely riddled with middle eastern money I'm getting quite sick of all the Qatar bashing. The whole thing has been one massive exercise in virtue signalling (hate the phrase, but it's the best one available) and also continuously avoided the other elephant in the room, religion.

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 11:38 AM
You should DM him all your good ideas in future yev.

I know you know this but it's not a good idea for the reasons stated, what would have been a better idea was to leave it well alone.

Kikó
21-12-2022, 11:41 AM
He wanted to raise a message and considering the mail are doing a gotcha piece about him gigging 7 years ago, it probably achieved his desired goals.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 11:42 AM
Because nobody was talking about the Qatari human rights record before he piped up.

Kikó
21-12-2022, 11:48 AM
Can you send him a list of things he's allowed to talk about?

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 11:50 AM
That doesn't even make sense. Fair play.

Kikó
21-12-2022, 11:51 AM
Thanks

Jimmy Floyd
21-12-2022, 11:56 AM
I'm getting quite sick of all the Qatar bashing.

This is basically the 'Stick to the football' twitter bot reply which is a cipher for 'I don't want to hear about various forms of injustice because they don't directly affect me'.

-james-
21-12-2022, 12:00 PM
People just love to "Gotcha!". It's just virtue signalling that revolves around being cynical at every possible opportunity.

randomlegend
21-12-2022, 12:03 PM
In other news - this time brought to you by The Daily Star because I am only using quality sources today - what a way to die. :sick:

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-killed-during-tug-war-28784176

That looks absolutely bizarre. The rope is hanging loose and then just suddenly snaps and goes flying. I can't get my head around the physics of it at all.

Jimmy Floyd
21-12-2022, 12:09 PM
Good to see the ever-reliable Indonesian authorities claim that she was 'taking a selfie'. Another Muslim country run by shameless cowards.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 12:15 PM
People just love to "Gotcha!". It's just virtue signalling that revolves around being cynical at every possible opportunity.

Everything is "virtue signalling" these days. It's lost all meaning.

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 12:34 PM
This is basically the 'Stick to the football' twitter bot reply which is a cipher for 'I don't want to hear about various forms of injustice because they don't directly affect me'.

And this is nonsense. I've known for as long as I can remember that Middle Eastern countries have appalling human rights records and Muslim countries don't like gay people. If Gary Neville reiterating the point was part of him taking a stand then that's one thing, but when it's accompanied by him sucking the cash cock of BeIN Sports it's just ridiculous and, the Twitter bot is right, not something that should be anywhere near a UK footballing broadcast. Either do something actually meaningful, that has some, hell, even minimal, impact or stop lecturing people. The people who could actually change these things in Qatar do not care and certainly won't start caring if they have nothing to lose.

And on that note, if the armbands were raising awareness of something people didn't know about I'd be all for them, but as it is they accomplish nothing (just like taking the knee) and and and, our team and FA didn't even have the balls to wear them. Again, nothing here to make or even encourage Qatari's to change their stance.

As for the people fighting the good fight on Twitter in this country - It's just attempted regime change by social media and the one thing we know about regime change is, it doesn't work. People getting all flustered, banging on about the INJUSTICE of it all while Qatar just lols it off and continues with their backwards way of thinking and living.

It's pathetic and what's truly sad is there are many examples in history where our society and sporting institutions have taken a proper meaningful stand and good things have been accomplished. It would be nice if we did it again, that'd actually be caring, as opposed to pretending we do.

Don
21-12-2022, 01:27 PM
Jimmy needs to stop taking out his angst on the noble muslamics with his disgraceful hate speech. We delievered the best world cup ever, debate is over lad.

Ben
21-12-2022, 01:30 PM
"We" :harold:

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 01:33 PM
The World Cup was delivered by the Sunni's, Taz. The Shi'ites remain shi'te.

Giggles
21-12-2022, 01:36 PM
The moral of the story is that everyone is a self serving cunt if there's enough money to be made from it.

Don
21-12-2022, 01:36 PM
Will the white man's obsession with segregation never cease?

Giggles
21-12-2022, 01:37 PM
Jimmy needs to stop taking out his angst on the noble muslamics with his disgraceful hate speech. We delievered the best world cup ever, debate is over lad.

I think things have moved on a bit from 1966.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 01:39 PM
Will the white man's obsession with segregation never cease?

Not while there's a man from Kent still alive.

Kikó
21-12-2022, 01:49 PM
>>Either do something actually meaningful, that has some, hell, even minimal, impact or stop lecturing people<<

Didn't Joe lycett give 10k to charity which is basically something meaningful?

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 02:01 PM
>>Either do something actually meaningful, that has some, hell, even minimal, impact or stop lecturing people<<

Didn't Joe lycett give 10k to charity which is basically something meaningful?

Yeah, fair point on that and it probably puts him ahead of everyone else combined in terms of doing something meaningful.

John Arne
21-12-2022, 02:41 PM
I mentioned before the World Cup that A LOT of people seemed absolutely petrified to say the word 'Islam' when referring to gay rights in Qatar - it seemed an obvious (intentional) blind spot.

Jimmy Floyd
21-12-2022, 02:54 PM
Jimmy needs to stop taking out his angst on the noble muslamics with his disgraceful hate speech. We delievered the best world cup ever, debate is over lad.

It says everything about Muslim society that the counterpoint presented (including by you a few weeks back) was that Western countries restrict polygamy so who are they to talk about Islamic countries restricting homosexuality.

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 02:56 PM
I mentioned before the World Cup that A LOT of people seemed absolutely petrified to say the word 'Islam' when referring to gay rights in Qatar - it seemed an obvious (intentional) blind spot.

Yep - one might stand a chance of getting better conditions and pay for migrant workers in Qatar by raising awareness, but getting a Muslim country to embrace gay rights? Have you actually run mad.

Jimmy Floyd
21-12-2022, 02:58 PM
Yep - one might stand a chance of getting better conditions and pay for migrant workers in Qatar by raising awareness, but getting a Muslim country to embrace gay rights? Have you actually run mad.

Legal in Bahrain, Jordan, Turkey and probably a few other places.

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 03:07 PM
Legal in Bahrain, Jordan, Turkey and probably a few other places.

The point is it's fine in those countries because they decided it was, they didn't make it so because some football people (I mean, fuck me, the hubris is off the charts), who were feeding from their trough in all manner of other way came along and told them it's not cool.

"Oh, ok then".

Jimmy Floyd
21-12-2022, 03:16 PM
The point is it's fine in those countries because they decided it was, they didn't make it so because some football people (I mean, fuck me, the hubris is off the charts), who were feeding from their trough in all manner of other way came along and told them it's not cool.

"Oh, ok then".

From my point of view, at least, I don't think by raising the issue we're telling Qatar to change their law (though it would good for gay Qataris if they did). It's more about putting across to FIFA that the World Cup should not be held in such a place because doing so by definition excludes x% of the world on a discriminatory basis.

The issue as raised by journalists and campaigners is also about asking questions of ourselves, for instance the questions asked to the FA, Kane and Southgate - are you going to travel to such a tournament? Once there, in a hostile context, are you willing to make even a futile gesture to stand up for non-straight people in the same way that you stand up for black people by taking a knee? Unfortunately the answer is that they are not, so we learn something from that and it progresses our knowledge of the issue in a football context.

phonics
21-12-2022, 03:24 PM
1605520817571434496

Good stuff.

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 03:25 PM
It's more about putting across to FIFA that the World Cup should not be held in such a place because doing so by definition excludes x% of the world on a discriminatory basis.

But that's the problem with the way this has gone as far as I can see, in that the focus has shifted far too much away from FIFA and just become an exercise for beating Qatar and their way of living (the fuss over Messi and his cape, for example). Now I don't personally agree with Qatar's way of life and I'd hate to be part of it, but as with Trump, Brexit, Vaccines and seemingly everything else these days you sure as shit don't get people to change by calling them backward, stupid and or any other derogatory term one would care to mention.

I agree with the rest of your post.

Don
21-12-2022, 03:51 PM
It says everything about Muslim society that the counterpoint presented (including by you a few weeks back) was that Western countries restrict polygamy so who are they to talk about Islamic countries restricting homosexuality.

I believe you're mistaken in attributing such an argument to me. The main counterpoint is that we haven't normalised having poo all around our arseholes and we will continue the fight for this noble cause.

Boydy
21-12-2022, 04:02 PM
The gays have excellent anal hygiene so maybe you could bond over that.

Yevrah
21-12-2022, 04:23 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64053099

How does this absolute nutjob think housing people in dis-used cruise ships is going to be any cheaper than hotels?

Jimmy Floyd
21-12-2022, 04:27 PM
The food's all-inclusive as opposed to room service costing extra.

Lewis
21-12-2022, 04:42 PM
From my point of view, at least, I don't think by raising the issue we're telling Qatar to change their law (though it would good for gay Qataris if they did). It's more about putting across to FIFA that the World Cup should not be held in such a place because doing so by definition excludes x% of the world on a discriminatory basis.

The issue as raised by journalists and campaigners is also about asking questions of ourselves, for instance the questions asked to the FA, Kane and Southgate - are you going to travel to such a tournament? Once there, in a hostile context, are you willing to make even a futile gesture to stand up for non-straight people in the same way that you stand up for black people by taking a knee? Unfortunately the answer is that they are not, so we learn something from that and it progresses our knowledge of the issue in a football context.

Would you only be ineligible to host the World Cup if homosexuality was illegal in your country, or would you also lose it if your gays lacked all of the rights that their London-based counterparts (assuming their freedoms are the benchmark) enjoyed? What about countries without equal pay legislation?

As for gestures, if you recall, once they decided that taking the knee was definitely not associated with the Black Lives Matter movement that the FA sought to latch onto (nor were the banners in every ground, or the graphics on the coverage) lest they be associated with their wacky politics that nobody bothered to look into before wholly embracing them, it was re-cast as a catch-all equality/anti-discrimination gesture, so you were included there along with the women and the migrant workers.

Lewis
21-12-2022, 04:45 PM
But that's the problem with the way this has gone as far as I can see, in that the focus has shifted far too much away from FIFA and just become an exercise for beating Qatar and their way of living (the fuss over Messi and his cape, for example). Now I don't personally agree with Qatar's way of life and I'd hate to be part of it, but as with Trump, Brexit, Vaccines and seemingly everything else these days you sure as shit don't get people to change by calling them backward, stupid and or any other derogatory term one would care to mention.

I agree with the rest of your post.

I liked the cape business. They have hosted the tournament, and their Head of State has handed the trophy over. I thought it was quite a nice touch and every country should do something similar. When we win the next one I want to see the captain in a ten-gallon hat with a Happy Meal in his spare hand.

Pepe
21-12-2022, 05:12 PM
Cowboy hat and NRA sweatshirt for whoever wins the next one. :cool:

Pepe
21-12-2022, 05:14 PM
Maybe have them go through the stage in a mobility scooter to raise awareness about disabilities.

EDIT: I want Trump to be back just to see him run the show.

Lewis
21-12-2022, 05:29 PM
And America lose the final so he can walk around consoling the players like Macron was.

Jimmy Floyd
21-12-2022, 06:14 PM
Would you only be ineligible to host the World Cup if homosexuality was illegal in your country, or would you also lose it if your gays lacked all of the rights that their London-based counterparts (assuming their freedoms are the benchmark) enjoyed? What about countries without equal pay legislation?

It's not about who is and isn't eligible to host the World Cup. We hosted it in 1966 a year before we let the gays out. It's about highlighting the various injustices involved in hosting it in Qatar. The (many fewer) injustices involved in hosting it in the US, Canada and Mexico will no doubt be pointed out ahead of 2026.

If you hosted it in Egypt (also no gays allowed) I think it would be much less of an issue because of the differences between that society/government and Qatar's.

Lewis
21-12-2022, 06:42 PM
I'm confused. The officially homophobic military dictatorship in Egypt is better because the societal vibes are slightly less anti-gay? I suppose all of the workers that die on their construction sites would be domestic ones, so I'll give them that.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 07:06 PM
Hosting it in Egypt on morality grounds would be like choosing Laos over Cambodia because there's a few less unexploded landmines.

Dquincy
21-12-2022, 07:23 PM
I have zero sympathy for David Beckham. He is indeed a scum bag for happily cashing in both from being a "gay icon" and from a state that would throw his gay fans from roof tops. That's neither here nor there.
Would you have turned down the money if offered the same role?

Shindig
21-12-2022, 07:28 PM
That's not really like for like.

Anyway, for all the moaning about David Beckham, I can only remember Andrea Pirlo doing actual tourism ads for Qatar during the World Cup.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 07:46 PM
Would you have turned down the money if offered the same role?

Of course not. I'd chair the Slobodan Milosevic fan club for the stack of cash Becks is sitting on. You'd be a fool not too. But we're not multimillionaires.

Jimmy Floyd
21-12-2022, 08:20 PM
Would you accept £40,000 to spend three months locked in the back seats of a Ford Fiesta with David Beckham? Water and Ryvita Thins are passed to you by an armed minder in the front seat upon request, but you can't go to the toilet other than pissing/crapping yourself.

Ian
21-12-2022, 08:21 PM
Depends. Is he going to going by any of his favourite spice markets?

Sir Andy Mahowry
21-12-2022, 08:22 PM
Can I at least piss and shit out of the window?

Jimmy Floyd
21-12-2022, 08:22 PM
The car is stationary, but Beckham is free to tell you any and all spice market related anecdotes from his past.

Spikey M
21-12-2022, 08:50 PM
Would you accept £40,000 to spend three months locked in the back seats of a Ford Fiesta with David Beckham? Water and Ryvita Thins are passed to you by an armed minder in the front seat upon request, but you can't go to the toilet other than pissing/crapping yourself.

You had me at free Ryvita Thins.

Giggles
21-12-2022, 08:52 PM
That salt bae cretin was Qatar/FIFA’s biggest crime.

Dquincy
21-12-2022, 11:17 PM
Of course not. I'd chair the Slobodan Milosevic fan club for the stack of cash Becks is sitting on. You'd be a fool not too. But we're not multimillionaires.
Then I don't get what the problem is.

Don't judge someone just because they sin differently than you do.

Don
21-12-2022, 11:46 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/dec/21/italy-rugby-union-prop-cherif-traore-reveals-he-was-given-rotten-banana-in-club-secret-santa

:happycry:

Spikey M
22-12-2022, 08:19 AM
Then I don't get what the problem is.

Don't judge someone just because they sin differently than you do.

I didn't say there was a problem. I said he is scum. As is anyone else ditching their morals for financial gain, myself and the Milosevic crew included.

It's just a bit worse when you're already a multimillionaire.

Jimmy Floyd
22-12-2022, 10:50 AM
I'm endlessly fascinated by BBC comments sections (I think they're much closer to a representative national focus group than any other comment section on the web) and the one for SPOTY is always a highlight:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/sports-personality/64045751

Now, as far as I can see Beth Mead is a pretty deserving winner even if you could have made a case for some of the others, but the comments are fucking RAGING. Apoplectic with fury.

niko_cee
22-12-2022, 10:58 AM
Feels increasingly that this thing, whilst once perhaps relevant and mainstream, has gone the way of the music charts and become little more than a fringe item on the cultural agenda, which mainly serves for one subset or other to rage about being left out/who's getting the recognition this year etc.

Zara Tindall winning it possibly the cross-over point.

Lewis
22-12-2022, 11:05 AM
The cricket person didn't look too bothered about coming second, unless the glee had simply worn off.

mo
22-12-2022, 11:10 AM
Another victim of the culture wars.

igor_balis
22-12-2022, 11:15 AM
the people who care about SPOTY are the same people who watch comic relief

Lewis
22-12-2022, 11:26 AM
Who was the last winner with any personality eh?

Lewis
22-12-2022, 11:30 AM
I think Andrew Flintoff would pass muster for those people, so it appears to be him, unless Bradley Wiggins pretending he doesn't like being famous counts as a decent gimmick.

Lewis
22-12-2022, 11:33 AM
Going down this winners list, it's probably faded from the public conscious because we have loads of very good (and well paid) athletes these days, all of who compete for and win proper awards in their actual fields. Thirty years ago we had footballers, Nigel Mansell, and probably two decent Olympians at any given point, so winning this was a big deal.

Jimmy Floyd
22-12-2022, 11:36 AM
I was just looking at the list. Geraint Thomas. Wouldn't know him if he walked into the office right now in full yellow jersey. Why hasn't he made it into the HMHB lyrics alongside Wiggo and Froome-dog? Is he the most boring / forgettable sportsman of all time relative to his achievements?

My personal favourite was 1997 when (according to my unchecked memory of 25 years ago) the winner was mistakenly announced as Greg Ru-DEAD-ski.

Gorgeous detail here as well:


In 1996, Justin Fashanu received a large number of votes following a campaign in Gay Times. However the BBC deemed this to be against the rules and disqualified him from the award.

Just perfect.

Lewis
22-12-2022, 11:56 AM
And look where ignoring the rules got him a couple of years later. The BBC tried.

-james-
22-12-2022, 01:43 PM
https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/stanfordlanguage.pdf

Stanford University have published a list of "Forbidden words", along with suggested alternatives. Some of it is incredible.

Jimmy Floyd
22-12-2022, 02:23 PM
I didn't know 'American' had been cancelled.

And I'm pretty sure that's not in any way what 'Indian summer' means.

randomlegend
22-12-2022, 02:24 PM
https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/stanfordlanguage.pdf

Stanford University have published a list of "Forbidden words", along with suggested alternatives. Some of it is incredible.

I'm only two down the list and it's already broken my mind.

How is "hooked" less trivialising than "addicted"? Let's not even get started on "devoted" :D

Jimmy Floyd
22-12-2022, 02:30 PM
trigger warning
content note

The phrase can cause stress about what's to follow. Additionally, one can never know
what may or may not trigger a particular person

I think the entire culture war might be swallowed up in the circular logic black hole produced by this one.

Pepe
22-12-2022, 02:43 PM
The word "preferred" suggests that non-binary gender identity is a choice and a preference.

Lol.

Spikey M
22-12-2022, 02:56 PM
Everyone just needs to go back to ignoring this shit.

Lewis
22-12-2022, 03:04 PM
Ten years ago people tried ignoring it. 'lol once they get in the real world...' Now look. Nonce paradise.

Spikey M
22-12-2022, 03:37 PM
It's a nonce paradise because people stopped ignoring it.

Edit: which reminds me, we had a tone policing email from one of the top bods the other day featuring classics like

Instead of "you have not returned my call" please use "we have been unable to reach you".

Fuck off mate. A spade is a spade.

-james-
22-12-2022, 03:47 PM
It's a nonce paradise because people stopped ignoring it.

Edit: which reminds me, we had a tone policing email from one of the top bods the other day featuring classics like

Instead of "you have not returned my call" please use "we have been unable to reach you".

Fuck off mate. A spade is a spade.

Although the term has its origins in Greek literature, the subsequent negative connotations with the word "spade" means that the phrase should be used with caution or not at all. :dc:

Shindig
22-12-2022, 07:24 PM
That picture does them no favours. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64066938)

I don't like how there's actual children in shot.

Giggles
22-12-2022, 07:40 PM
Gender changing my bollocks. Fucking freaks.

niko_cee
22-12-2022, 07:59 PM
https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/stanfordlanguage.pdf

Stanford University have published a list of "Forbidden words", along with suggested alternatives. Some of it is incredible.

It's a bit odd that stuff which is frowned on then appears in the context definitions [or even suggested alternatives] of other things.

Instead of 'on the warpath' have you considered using 'mad'? Don't say 'insane', it trivialises people living with mental health conditions. What?

Manc
22-12-2022, 08:00 PM
"Shame on you!" tickled me. Heads have well and truly gone.