News of the day

[Don]

My experience of BUPA has been tremendous, online GP appointments within hours if required and then referral to your heart's content because the GP cunts don't actually care when they're sat in their living room and want their evening back so I got 5 free physio appointments for my hamstring tendon niggle which would have cost close to £500.

As Lewis says, it should [and will] become the norm. Let the filthy fat crackheads bathe in their own NHS cesspool, they're the ones that abuse it.

[Lofty]

This withdrawing life support for the 12 year old is another heads-have-gone piece. The family should be done for slander or something.

Follow up to that, this has resurfaced:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2774629/Boy-four-suffers-agonising-burns-Boots-pharmacy-gave-ear-drops-eye-infection.html

[Spikey M]

I have been thinking through this whole thing that she seems awfully composed for someone apparently going through a living nightmare and it smells a bit funny.

That's got to be a game changer, surely. When you have a kid, you read the fucking instructions on medication. So why did she use them? She must have seen that it said ear. Then to run to the press with the compo pictures... hmm.

This, coupled with her dodgy posts about her kids on Facebook and surely the police have got to be having a look at her here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Either that or her being a fucking witch or one sort or another was part of what drove him to 'take part in an online challenge'.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62418257

"Archie's mother said she wanted her son "in a peaceful hospice to say goodbye"."

"Doctors have warned there is "significant risk" in moving him."

U wot m8?

[randomlegend]

What's the risk you mean (given he's essentially dead already)?

It will be that he "dies" in transit, because moving someone in that condition is very difficult.

You can't just wheel him and all the machines he's attached to into the back of an ambulance. It will involve transferring him onto portable equipment and there's a huge risk they won't be able to keep him going through that.

The level of support you can offer in the back of even the most decked out ambulances isn't the same as a fully kitted out intensive care unit either.

It would be a miracle if he "survives" it I'd have thought. Then she'll probably go after everyone involved for "messing up" the transfer.

[Spikey M]

I mean, just tell the family

"he probably won't make it there, but ok".
"HE WILL BECAUSE HE IS SO SO STRONG AND A FIGHTER XOXO".
"OK, please sign this disclaimer accepting that we have told you that he will not make it there"

Then shove him in an ambulance and then he dies, everyone's "happy". They're planning to turn the machines off either way.

[Lofty]

I get the impression having soured things so badly with the hospital she views it as 'giving them the win' if they turn off life support so she wants to move him and get the last word. God help the poor doctor or nurse who discovers him if he 'dies' in the meantime (he's been dead since he was brought in).

[Shindig]

"He's a fighter, I've hit him hundreds of times. Whoops."

[7om]

Speaking of the mom, I was reading through this the other day:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/hollie-dance-lisa-pittaway-ella-carter-archie-battersbee-lauren-summers-dignity-for-all-archies-army-spread-the-purple-wave.124942/

[randomlegend]

I mean, just tell the family

"he probably won't make it there, but ok".
"HE WILL BECAUSE HE IS SO SO STRONG AND A FIGHTER XOXO".
"OK, please sign this disclaimer accepting that we have told you that he will not make it there"

Then shove him in an ambulance and then he dies, everyone's "happy". They're planning to turn the machines off either way.

As with all things, it's not that straightforward.

For one thing, paediatric intensive care transfer teams are an extremely scarce resource. We usually only have one in our region at a given time. How can you justify tying them up with an almost certainly futile attempt at transferring a child who is essentially already dead, which could end up delaying them attending to an extremely sick child who has a realistic chance of surviving with prompt transfer? It's genuinely not beyond the realms of possibility that another child dies who wouldn't otherwise have if they attempt this.

It's also extremely unfair on the staff in my opinion. You are tasking them with an impossibility. No doubt the family will be insisting on every possible intervention to get him to the hospice "alive", so you are sentencing these poor staff to being on a road somewhere in the back of an ambulance trying to perform heroics on a corpse knowing they will fail and knowing they will probably get dragged through the press by the mother afterwards.

We have principles and laws around these sorts of situations for good reasons. Once you start setting precedence for doing things which break those principles, it's very hard to walk back.

[Disco]

Morning everyone, how about we probably kill that kid over there today.

There are other considerations aside from he's going to die anyway so what's the harm.

[Spikey M]

He's already dead. They're just arguing over which way the body gets to the morgue, and mummy wants to take the characteristically performative route.

[randomlegend]

Morning everyone, how about we probably kill that kid over there today.

There are other considerations aside from he's going to die anyway so what's the harm.

Can't remotely understand your point.

[Disco]

I mean just because he's going to die anyway doesn't mean you can try whatever you like.

[randomlegend]

Sorry I interpreted your post completely wrong, I see now.

[Spikey M]

Switching the machines off at 10. Being a big fan of shambles, I'm hoping for this:

https://c.tenor.com/JpCYn3f1MZcAAAAM/undertaker-wake-up.gif

[randomlegend]

It's reassuring to see the systems work and have come to the proper conclusion, even if it's taken a long time to get there.

[-james-]

Why has this shit been constantly in the news?

[Don]

Gammon culture.

[randomlegend]

Why has this shit been constantly in the news?

Because Mum has willed it so I think.

[Baz]

James Franco playing Fidel Castro is bad, apparently.

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/john-leguizamo-slams-james-franco-casting-fidel-castro-1235334658/amp/

[Lewis]

I thought he had been CANCELLED as a big time pest.

[Baz]

You can’t cancel a man that sexy.

[Shindig]

I mean, he really looks like Castro. I can't be mad at that unless he goes full Jared Leto. Nobody complained when you played an Italian plumber, John. Well, not for that specific reason, at least.

[Spikey M]

This trend needs to fuck off ASAP. Despite American insistence otherwise, Hispanic people are just tanned white people. Alright, there's a bit of Montezuma blood in there, but they're basically just Spanuguese like our mate Kiko. Any white bloke will do. Or are we now so far down this rabbit hole that they need a DNA test prior to any casting selection?

[randomlegend]

Yeah, I really can't get my head around this whole "white people obviously can't play black people in films you fucking disgusting racist slave-owning piece of shit but yeah obviously the Queen could be played by a set of Japanese male conjoined twins you fucking disgusting racist Hiroshima-loving piece of shit" stance that some of the super-woke seem to take.

Perhaps I'm just a disgusting fucking cis-white-male, racist, slave-owning, Hiroshima-loving piece of shit after all.

[Lewis]

This trend needs to fuck off ASAP. Despite American insistence otherwise, Hispanic people are just tanned white people. Alright, there's a bit of Montezuma blood in there, but they're basically just Spanuguese like our mate Kiko. Any white bloke will do. Or are we now so far down this rabbit hole that they need a DNA test prior to any casting selection?

Yeah, it's like Joaquin Phoenix playing Napoleon. If he isn't having to brown up what's the problem?

[Spikey M]

Exactly that. Fair enough we don't want Nicolas Cage playing Nelson Mandela (well, I do, because it would be hilarious, but, you know) but we're heading towards hand wringing over the idea of anyone portraying someone they aren't exactly the same as. Which is problematic, because it's what Actors get paid to do.

Good luck finding an out and proud nonce to play them roles.

[Lewis]

https://reduxx.info/irish-lgbtq-inclusive-football-team-with-transgender-player-wins-womens-junior-final/


An Irish “LGBTQ+ Inclusive” football team beat out the female competition in the 2022 Junior J Shield Final, claiming a significant margin of victory in every placing that many attribute to the fact a biological male was on the team.

I saw the picture yesterday but figured it was a spoof and never bothered reading it. Maybe it still is. Giggles help us out.

[Giggles]

Sounds about right. That would as low a level as it gets but it’ll creep in soon enough at the higher levels.

[Giggles]

McKenna should stay quiet altogether though. Him being against anything just adds more legitimacy to it at this stage.

[Shindig]

While Valentino’s exact age is unknown, in a 2021 panel interview he stated he had been playing sports for “over 30 years.” While he now lives in Dublin, Valentino is originally from Italy, and his LinkedIn states that he is presently employed as a program specialist for TikTok.

How can his age be unknown? Does he identify as 16?

EDIT: Man, that article goes places. :D

[Yevrah]

As ever it’s a ridiculous situation.

[randomlegend]

“I quit team sports when I started feeling uncomfortable with the male environment...

But presumably if the teenage girls start to feel "uncomfortable" at having a biologically male adult imposed on them, they are transphobic?

[Giggles]

Junior J wouldn’t be an underage grade, it’s adult level but you’d regularly see 16 and 17 year olds play in it also especially at that level were numbers would be really low. So his age shouldn’t really be part of the issue. The fact he’s a bloke is enough of a one anyway.

The adult levels would go Senior - Intermediate - Junior A - Junior B etc etc with letters as far as you need. You’d regularly have an age spread of 16 to 40+ in low junior levels in the men’s games anyway.

[Shindig]

I wish that article went into the results more. I do wonder what a ringer like that does in an team scenario.

[randomlegend]

Why's it called junior if it's adults? Bloody Irishes.

[Giggles]

Senior isn’t oldies either, just just the top level of adult. The main underage is Minor (U17) and U20.

[Spikey M]

Why's it called junior if it's adults? Bloody Irishes.

We have the Essex Senior Legue, which has nothing to do with OAP's.

[hfswjyr]

Exactly that. Fair enough we don't want Nicolas Cage playing Nelson Mandela (well, I do, because it would be hilarious, but, you know) but we're heading towards hand wringing over the idea of anyone portraying someone they aren't exactly the same as. Which is problematic, because it's what Actors get paid to do.

Good luck finding an out and proud nonce to play them roles.

I believe the argument is more around implementing affirmative action, by not taking roles away from actors of certain colour/race/etc.
You'll get people who are outraged by this also ironically be outraged if there is ever a black or female James Bond.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-62464032

Well, at least he got a friend out of it.

[Giggles]

Fair fucks to him for carrying on with it.

[Boydy]

Phoncs and Igor's bastard lovechild.

[igor_balis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-62464032

Well, at least he got a friend out of it.

The fringe is weird tbf, I spose in theory the tourists just go for a few days and just impulse watch whatever shite they get fliered with, but from my experience people just do a bit of research and watch stuff by established people/people with HYPE. Why would you go and watch this dork when there's a million other things on at the same time?

[Lewis]

This Commonwealth Games closing ceremony is top drawer.

[wullie]

I was hoping to see Ali Campbell pop up but if this didn't get the old UB40 gang back together, nothing will.

[Lewis]

Wahey.

[Boydy]

Was just thinking earlier they should have got him.

[Lewis]

He's looking relatively well.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62475171 is it just going up a grand every 6 months forever now?

[Don]

Expected to drop after that but media conveniently leaving that out of their reporting.

[Ben]

The stagflation will be incredible. Tens of millions will suddenly have no disposable income.

[Yevrah]

Expected to drop after that but media conveniently leaving that out of their reporting.

Isn't it expected to drop by something like 2% in April and if that forecast is as undercooked as all of the others then it'll actually rise by another 5-10%.

[Yevrah]

The stagflation will be incredible. Tens of millions will suddenly have no disposable income.

I know it's the producers making the money rather than the suppliers, but (in the absence of any other sensible suggestions) we need a wealth tax somewhere in the chain now. They can have some back when this all unwinds if needs be, but you simply can't expect people to be paying £500+ a month more on their utility bills and mortgages without experiencing some form of societal breakdown.

Boris has clearly had a mini-tanty and won't do anything until a new leader is appointed (which may well be a blessing), but with that in mind the Tories need to end the charade this week and appoint a leader immediately. I really don't think we're that far away from looting and the like if the path we're on continues.

[Lewis]

The interest rates people should just have to eat, because they're ten years overdue and if you can't afford them well tough tits; but I sympathise with the energy bills because I would have chucked Ukraine under the bus years ago, so the government should be helping people there.

[Spikey M]

I know it's the producers making the money rather than the suppliers, but (in the absence of any other sensible suggestions) we need a wealth tax somewhere in the chain now. They can have some back when this all unwinds if needs be, but you simply can't expect people to be paying £500+ a month more on their utility bills and mortgages without experiencing some form of societal breakdown.

Boris has clearly had a mini-tanty and won't do anything until a new leader is appointed (which may well be a blessing), but with that in mind the Tories need to end the charade this week and appoint a leader immediately. I really don't think we're that far away from looting and the like if the path we're on continues.

I went to Sainsburys in Southend earlier and they had their steaks in security cases ( :D ), so shoplifting is clearly on the rise at least.

[Yevrah]

I wouldn't even expect the first lot of looting to be on the basis of need, more hoodlums sensing an opportunity to make some mischief, but if you genuinely can't afford food, why wouldn't you take it if all hell is breaking loose around you and the opportunity arises?

[Don]

I still don't understand why people struggle for food with self-service checkouts and supermarket security the way it is. I mean either you have some very misguided morals or just no brain.

[Yevrah]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62483770

100,000 people signed up for don't pay, a thirty fold increase, in what, a week? Obviously who knows how many of them won't pay, but the tinderbox is catching fire.

[Boydy]

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Hopefully this might do something/crystallise into a new party the unions could switch their funding to since Labour seem to have forgotten their purpose.

[Ben]

Nationalisation. :drool:

[Yevrah]

Nationalisation has also been a bag of shit. It just needs a stronger government to take some of these companies that are taking the absolute piss to task.

Oh and Lynch absolutely needs to get into politics.

[7om]

Been discussing recently and I really wouldn’t be surprised to see riots come winter. We’re sleepwalking into unrest.

[Spikey M]

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Hopefully this might do something/crystallise into a new party the unions could switch their funding to since Labour seem to have forgotten their purpose.

Yeah, further fracturing of the left is not particularly helpful.

[Yevrah]

It's definitely on course to happen. We've another month of Boris doing nothing and two less than ideal candidates pissing about for God knows what reason before we even get anyone in power who can make a decision.

Meanwhile, there seems to be derision at the ideas Truss and Sunak are putting forward to solve it, but absolutely no one is addressing the elephant in the room that is Ukraine, on the day their leader says the war must end with Crimea being taken back. I get he needs to talk these things up, but even still, this is utter lunacy.

[Spikey M]

Liz Truss laid the problem bare yesterday when she was talking about which actions or inaction would cost them the least votes. That's all these people care about. Votes. They're not actually trying to solve the problem.

Then she made the "Gordon Brown Economics" comment which is perhaps one of the stupidest statements ever made. She is a genuine retard.

[7om]

I saw that on Daily Mail today. Some bollocks about this being a Gordon Brown mess. For fuck sake, the twat has been out of office for 12 years. I personally think the Labour Party are a complete load of shite but I’ll be voting for them in 2024. This Tory party is genuinely shambolic.

[Ben]

I find it hard to see how inaction will cost them the least amount of votes. Even the Daily Mail crew are turning over this one.

[Spikey M]

I saw that on Daily Mail today. Some bollocks about this being a Gordon Brown mess. For fuck sake, the twat has been out of office for 12 years. I personally think the Labour Party are a complete load of shite but I’ll be voting for them in 2024. This Tory party is genuinely shambolic.

She was saying that taxing people and giving it back to them is what Gordon Brown would do, seemingly unaware that she is describing the entire Benefits System.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Tory leadership thing is parodical nonsense because of who/what the electorate is. What they do after winning will be the acid test. The problem is that for some reason the UK governing classes think that August doesn't exist as a month, so we'll lose crucial time.

[Lofty]

Archiac rules like not having to work your contracted days off.

[Lewis]

She was saying that taxing people and giving it back to them is what Gordon Brown would do, seemingly unaware that she is describing the entire Benefits System.

That is her point. It's not much use in the short-term, but, generally speaking, moving away from having to subsidise energy that is in large part deliberately expensive would be a sensible thing to do.

[Lewis]

Oh and Lynch absolutely needs to get into politics.

Someone somewhere right now is going through everything he's ever said about Israel/Palestine in case he does.

[Spikey M]

That is her point. It's not much use in the short-term, but, generally speaking, moving away from having to subsidise energy that is in large part deliberately expensive would be a sensible thing to do.

Sure. I mean in general, having a society where employment pays enough for people to actually live off would be great, and we should definitely push in that direction. I would argue that it's this party that's lead us into the situation where people in fulltime employment are still needing food banks, but that's not for now.

Regardless. Taxing people that can afford to keep their lights on, to help people that can't afford to have their lights on, is not some kind of mad Gordon Brown SELL ALL THE GOLD masterclass. It's a short term necessity as more and more people get sucked beneath the breadline. If they don't do it, then The Yevrah Riots are nailed on.

Or just stop the energy companies from taking the piss, but they're Party donors and old school mates, so lol.

[Lewis]

Absolutely no chance this country riots over gas bills. Throw a day off into the mix, 'turn your freezer off overnight for the NHS', and eighty per cent of people will be lining up to get bummed.

[Yevrah]

I’d like to point out I didn’t say riots, but I think there’s a common misconception about us being peak humans and having left all that shit behind us, which is, to be frank, horseshit.

[7om]

I’m saying riots. I think shit will hit the fan this winter when inflation goes through the roof and you’re paying £11 for a Mars bar. You can only take the piss out of people for so long before they lose it.

[Yevrah]

Are we classing what happened in London last decade as riots? I was thinking that sort of shit.

[Manc]

How much is that bag of rice worth now?

[Don]

There's those texts from GPs and articles from Guardian soft shites about people losing their rag over more and more recently. Anecdotal evidence in the past month has seen me witness two occasions of aggression in everyday envrionments I'd never seen in approximately the 10 years prior to it. Bring it the fuck on :drool:

[Boydy]

Are we classing what happened in London last decade as riots? I was thinking that sort of shit.

Yeah, those were definitely riots. I reckon it could get worse than that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Don't those type of riots tend to be provoked by some kind of flashpoint? This would be more like simmering unhappiness, and unemployment remains extremely low so you don't have the conditions where there are a load of angry young men sitting around with nothing to do.

I would more foresee something like autumn 2008 where everything goes to shit, the government has to bail us all out and various villains like Fred 'the Shred' are created from the energy company bosses. If they don't bail us out it could get more interesting, but I think the population is just too inert to do anything terribly revolutionary.

[Ben]

We’d definitely need a larger than life relatable figurehead to provoke the initial riots because we just don’t have our shit together like the French when it comes to things like this.

[Don]

Ah just wait for one of the blacks to die of cold and they'll lead the way for you.

[Spikey M]

Or for the Septics to do it first. That would get people rioting even if there was nothing wrong here.

[Lewis]

We need a new Captain Tom to keep it together. Squadron Leader Steve, wearing five jumpers and eating non-brand cereals to save gas.

[Shindig]

We’d definitely need a larger than life relatable figurehead to provoke the initial riots because we just don’t have our shit together like the French when it comes to things like this.

Jack Monroe at the front of that fucking queue ... :moop:

[Lofty]

Jack Monroe at the front of that fucking queue ... :moop:

She already shit her pants when that Dont Pay account started tweeting her like she could be their mascot.

The entire framework is a shambles, now they are saying they direct debits will be going up by the end of the month instead of October. What is the point of these agreed dates and caps if they are meaningless? Surely the suppliers/providers should be liable for fines if they breach these dates?

[Shindig]

It's all a bit of a con.

- They ask customers to supply meter readings so their bill is accurate.
- Said bill is never accurate. Even if you supply readings, the company prefers to base bills on their own estimates. Customers tend to get overcharged because the energy companies can go to their shareholders with the "NUMBER UP, BUSINESS GOOD!"
- Quietly pay back the excess at the end of the year, assuming the customers haven't ran themselves into debt over money they didn't need to pay in the first place.

I'm £200 in credit on a tariff I only started last month. How arse backwards is that?

[Ben]

Direct debit is indeed a con. Really we should all just pay for what we use each month. The only problem with that is now a winter month could be about £500 and a lot of people won't save the money for it after enjoying £50p/m summers.

[Boydy]

Energy bills to be over £5k next year (https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcontent%2F048c0 271-75d3-4d4e-9a00-e8fd0bf62691)

[Ben]

I feel with the past few days yielding a new, even higher cap possibility that we're now in the realms of just being prepped so when they announce it as a shade under £4k everyone just accepts it without protest because they were expecting worse and the Tories cling on to power again.

[Don]

Someone set up a thinktank/consultancy and estimate £6k and watch those clicks and validations come in.

[SvN]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-62503903

Fucking hell, the stuff of nightmares.

My mother-in-law was diagnosed with early onset dementia a few years ago and was still occasionally driving, and this is exactly the sort of thing that I was terrified of happening. In the end I told my father-in-law that I'd tip off the police if he continued to let her drive.

[Foe]

My gran has recently had her car taken away from her (by my father and uncle) as it’s clear she’s developing dementia.

She’s not happy about it, but stories as the above are exactly why unfortunately it needs to happen.

Horrid.

[igor_balis]

Yeah, further fracturing of the left is not particularly helpful.

The mainstream part of the "left" love to slowly shift further and further to the right and then blame actual left wing people for fracturing the left and letting the Tories in because they won't pull down their pants and let Keir shove his floppy centrist up their arses. You need some amount of compromise, sure, but it's hardly being outrageous corbynite Marxists to think the current Labour party is too far the other way.

[Spikey M]

The mainstream part of the "left" love to slowly shift further and further to the right and then blame actual left wing people for fracturing the left and letting the Tories in because they won't pull down their pants and let Keir shove his floppy centrist up their arses. You need some amount of compromise, sure, but it's hardly being outrageous corbynite Marxists to think the current Labour party is too far the other way.

No, but it is beyond silly to think that the solution is ANOTHER left wing party. Why not just invent another 15 so the Tories can go ahead and win with 10% of the total vote?

If we had PR, fill your boots. But under FPTP all this shit does is guarantee more Tory governments.

[Boydy]

The labour right need to be crushed. They're an obstacle to any sort of progressive party in this country. I'm not just saying start more parties willy-nilly. The unions should withdraw their funding (and put it elsewhere) and let the current labour party wither and die because it's not fit for purpose.

[Spikey M]

It's unworkable in anything but the long term. There are staunch Labour Voters who will not vote for anyone else. And if they had to - after their party had been CRUSHED - it would be unlikely to be for some new kid on the block. They'd go Lib Dem or something.

The Tories greatest success has been stopping the likes of UKIP and The BNP in their tracks. They appear to be the only ones that appreciate that this is a 2 party system in reality, no matter how much the left wants to pretend otherwise.

But yeah, fuck it, let's argue over whether Labour are the right degree of lefty-cunt, rather than worrying about getting the corrupt right wing cunts that have spent the last 10 years doubling the wealth divide out of power.

[Boydy]

The current labour lot will do fuck all if they manage to get into power anyway (which it doesn't even look like they will) and any meagre scraps they do throw people will soon be undone again by the tories the next time they get in when people become disillusioned with how shit labour are.

[Spikey M]

"But Labour would be worse".

[Jimmy Floyd]

The thing most leftists can't reconcile with, when trying to purge each other, is that in large parts of the country there just isn't any support for left-wing politics. In other parts there is, but as the world becomes more fractured and balkanised, the gap is probably growing if anything.

That's why the Labour right exists, in an attempt to bridge that gap.

[igor_balis]

The thing most leftists can't reconcile with, when trying to purge each other, is that in large parts of the country there just isn't any support for left-wing politics. In other parts there is, but as the world becomes more fractured and balkanised, the gap is probably growing if anything.

That's why the Labour right exists, in an attempt to bridge that gap.

I don't fully disagree, but I'd argue the 2017 election showed there are plenty of people with an appetite for proper left wing politics. Or at the very least, it showed that the lack thereof is massively overstated. I reckon a proper social democrat somewhere to the left of Keir and to the right of Corbyn could definitely be electable if they managed their campaign properly and somehow mitigated the right wing press accusing them of being antisemitic filth who defecate on our glorious nation and its flag.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Again, a big part of the problem Labour have is that a lot of its most ardent modern-day supporters genuinely do defecate on our glorious nation and its flag (let's leave anti-semitism to one side for a second), particularly the FBPE wing which has developed since 2016. That's a big hurdle to get over when trying to attract broad support. Keir knows it too hence his hilariously clumsy union jacks everywhere, which in turn alienates the left.

I don't really know the answer, and it's a pity because we could do with a Labour government at some point even if I wouldn't vote for it myself.

[igor_balis]

God the FBPE lot are such a bunch of silly twats.

[Lewis]

I would love to watch Keir 'Sir Keir Starmer' Starmer and his sensible manifesto face get flattened under a two month campaign of 'Would you end the Rwanda scheme?' and 'WHAT IS A WOMAN?!' Obviously that requires Rwanda to be working, which might be beyond the government.

[Boydy]

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/utilities/trackers/support-for-bringing-energy-companies-back-into-public-ownership

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/should-train-operating-companise-be-brought-back-into-public-ownership

The majority of the public support nationalisation of energy companies and the railways.

[Boydy]

I don't fully disagree, but I'd argue the 2017 election showed there are plenty of people with an appetite for proper left wing politics. Or at the very least, it showed that the lack thereof is massively overstated. I reckon a proper social democrat somewhere to the left of Keir and to the right of Corbyn could definitely be electable if they managed their campaign properly and somehow mitigated the right wing press accusing them of being antisemitic filth who defecate on our glorious nation and its flag.

Speaking of anti-semitism, look at how that's blowing up in their faces.

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The labour right are thick as shit and offer nothing to people. They just think it's their right to run the party (and to go to comfy non-exec director jobs afterwards) and actively sabotaged anyone else having a go. Fuck them, I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

[Boydy]

Again, a big part of the problem Labour have is that a lot of its most ardent modern-day supporters genuinely do defecate on our glorious nation and its flag (let's leave anti-semitism to one side for a second), particularly the FBPE wing which has developed since 2016. That's a big hurdle to get over when trying to attract broad support. Keir knows it too hence his hilariously clumsy union jacks everywhere, which in turn alienates the left.

I don't really know the answer, and it's a pity because we could do with a Labour government at some point even if I wouldn't vote for it myself.

Yet he was the one announcing a second referendum as labour policy when he was in the shadow cabinet.

[Jimmy Floyd]

So he believes in one and is making a bad attempt at faking the other, make up your own mind as to which way round.

[Boydy]

I imagine it was just "whatever fucks over Corbyn".

Then there were his pledges to the membership when he was running for leader which have all been ditched now.

[Lewis]

Is anti-Semitism really the 'oldest form of racism', and, even if it is, why is that a relevant thing to mention?

[Lewis]

'Jew've got no history.'

[Ben]

The electorate in this country are nowhere near reasonable enough to tolerate a true left wing government.

They just cherry pick the cool stuff like the NHS instead then wonder why it’s gone tits up when the otherwise-ultra-capitalist system leaves it bankrupt.

[Lewis]

What does a 'true left wing government' look like in the same fictional universe where we currently have an 'ultra-capitalist system'?

[Giggles]

If Satan himself lined up at centre half for Man Utd then a Man Utd supporter will still support Man Utd. That’s all politics is these days.

[Shindig]

They're not called the Red Devils for nothing.

[Ian]

We could do with somebody in the team with a bit of a mean streak to be honest.

[7om]

NHS is a load of old shit anyway. I welcome our insurance-based overlords.

[Shindig]

In this instance, fuck public safety. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62539485)


The walrus, nicknamed Freya, rose to fame after clambering on to boats to sunbathe - sometimes sinking them.

Seriously, if people want to take selfies with a wild animal, and that wild animal happens to drag them to their deaths, so be it.

[Ben]

Yeah that's ridiculous.

[SincereTheRebel]

That is complete bullshit.

[Yevrah]

+1 for the Walrus.

By that Norwegian logic every animal one would see on safari needs to be culled.

[7om]

https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/oxford-street-chaos-shops-looted-24749280

Here we go.

[Lewis]

If even black teenagers are shoplifting and acting out in hot weather then this might be it. Mind how you go.

[Spikey M]

I haven't fact checked this, but from my Lib Dem Councillor friends Facebook:


EU average gas price cap is 37 pounds per megawatt hour

UK price cap is 263 pounds per megawatt hour.

On this basis, would we have all been better off staying in or coming out?

Genuine question.

If that's genuine it could be the riot spark we have been praying for.

[Spikey M]

The replies are not looking positive. Looks like it's wibble.

[Ben]

I'm not sure the EU have anything to do with it. I remember Spain and Portugal setting their own independent (and very reasonable) price caps a while ago.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, it's a complete non-sequitur.

Average summer temperatures are higher, average winter temperatures are lower, average incomes are lower, on that basis were we better staying in or leaving?

Not that the UK energy market isn't a complete rort.

[Ben]

Lots of noise this morning (ie. Government floating shit in the press again) about the energy cap being frozen at current levels and companies being subsidised the difference.

[Yevrah]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-62546551

I don't know much about this chap or his content, but are we genuinely cancelling comedians now?

[wullie]

That's always been his act as well so anyone booking him would surely know well in advance what they're signing up for.

[randomlegend]

Perhaps it's my straight white male privelige speaking, but short of actively inciting the crowd to be violent towards people present of my demographic, I can't imagine anything a comedian could say that would make me feel "unsafe".

In general it feels like a word that's lost all meaning.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Edinburgh Fringe is like the annual conference of Remain Oxbridge London, so they need to start cancelling anyone who doesn't fit in.

[Boydy]

I read somewhere he was getting his dick out on stage.

[randomlegend]

I'm sure I read an article about him about fifteen years ago that mentioned he does that so again, seems people should've been going in with their eyes open.

[Boydy]

I'm not disagreeing, it just didn't seem to be mentioned in that article.

[Manc]

I'm sure I read an article about him about fifteen years ago that mentioned he does that so again, seems people should've been going in with their mouths open.

Steady on.

[randomlegend]

Waaaaayyyy

[Spikey M]

There are women in the world that find the mere presence of a man "threatening". The problem is we bow to it, where we wouldn't if it was absolutely any other demographic.

I have a tenant on my patch that has had to be assigned to a female colleague because she was raped and now refuses to speak to men because she finds us scary now. Which I sort of get, fair enough, but it's definitely a form of discrimination and I want my victim club membership, t-shirt and car sticker immediately.

[Lofty]

I read that he got his dick out and shouted 'Rishi Sunak is a paki' :sorry:

[Yevrah]

Well if that's true I'd have ejected him for being grossly unfunny.

[Lofty]

If true it's quite funny his fellow comedians were all saying they would 'repeat his joke' in solidarity :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62575679

This is going to cut through massively. Could be the end for Sadiq Khan, even.

[Spikey M]

The man is described as wearing grey shorts, a dark coloured T-shirt, a white baseball cap and white patterned builder style gloves

Well, we know the colour of almost everything.

[Ben]

At least we’ve come full circle to criminals being the only ones to don masks again.

[Manc]

Inflation expected to peak at 14% in January. Cool.

[Ben]

That’s not as bad as I thought (even though it’s still horrendous of course). I thought it might get close to 20% by April.

[mo]

Don't worry, there's still a chance.

[Alex]

https://news.sky.com/story/ryan-giggs-trial-ex-manchester-united-star-admits-trying-to-use-daughter-as-lever-to-stop-999-call-after-headbutt-12675863


Ryan Giggs assault trial hears intimate love poem he wrote to ex-girlfriend Kate Greville

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FadzqsqWIAMEFvq?format=jpg&name=medium

Oh dear. :D

[7om]

In other messages, Giggs told Ms Greville he loved her "more than all my Premier League appearances, which is a lot"

:lol:

Is he actually retarded? Good god.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He's a wordsmith.

[Shindig]

Some serious 'Can I borrow a feeling?' vibes. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is some fall from grace.

[Lewis]

I saw him referred to as 'former player and ex-Wales manager' earlier, which might explain where United's transfer budget went.

[Lofty]

He also apparently 'called a team meeting' because 'the spoons were the wrong way round' in the dishwasher.

[Spikey M]

:lol:

Is he actually retarded? Good god.

I think the Jury is already back on this charge.

[Ian]

Not many love poets are brave enough to talk about abs and blowjob eyes.

[Lofty]

He also said the fact he only had one red card in his career was evidence he wasn't a violent person :D

[Spikey M]

I just love that he thinks "Those pictures you send so I can keep tabs" is somehow romantic, rather than - you know - possessive and controlling to a ridiculous degree.

[wullie]

I have a new favourite bit every time I look, but currently it's 'greatest ever coo'

[Ben]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62605417

I must admit I'm a big fan of all these blatant knock-offs Russia are replacing the OGs with.

[Yevrah]

It's good to see all these sanctions and withdrawals are really biting.

[Lewis]

It's a pretty great wheeze. Provided you don't go drastically switching ingredients, how hard can it be to replicate with everything already in place?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Are there any job openings to be a 'pro-Putin rapper' in this country? I'm interested.

[Spoonsky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0TRpGP8yH4

[Yevrah]

On Tavistock:

https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/1000-families-sue-tavistock-gender-service-2022a10021ac


The UK's only children's gender identity development service (GIDS), run by the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, is to be sued by "at least a thousand families" who allege that their children were rushed into taking life-changing puberty blocking drugs. As a result they were facing "physical and psychological permanent scarring that will last the rest of these victims’ lifetimes", alleged the law firm involved.

Is that true? 1,000 families? I ask because it's nowhere near any of the reputable news sites. If so, this whole thing is going to prove to be one of the most fucked up things we've done as a society in modern times.

[Yevrah]

And "Gender Identity Development Service" sounds like something out of the Mengele playbook.

[Lewis]

You would like to think that everyone involved in it will have their careers and lives ruined.

[Yevrah]

It's utterly deranged and seems to be nowhere near the BBC - their last article is about the place closing. So it seems that society as a whole is keen to brush this under the carpet.

A centre that performed, what seemingly can only really be described as mass life altering experimentation on children and it's not being widely called out. Again, if true, this story should be everywhere.

[Shindig]

It's nowhere near the BBC because they've been frequently railed against for being transphobic. At some point you can't be bothered with the shouting match.

[Lewis]

It's like a case study in where deferring to minorities and mental cases gets you, which I think ultimately explains the left-wing enthusiasm (and therefore the right-wing cowardice) around it.

[Kikó]

On Tavistock:

https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/1000-families-sue-tavistock-gender-service-2022a10021ac



Is that true? 1,000 families? I ask because it's nowhere near any of the reputable news sites. If so, this whole thing is going to prove to be one of the most fucked up things we've done as a society in modern times.

It was in the telegraph if that counts as reputable.

Edit, Google
https://www.thetimes.co.uk › article
Tavistock gender clinic 'to be sued by 1,000 families' | News | The Times

www.dailymail.co.uk
Tavistock transgender clinic facing legal action 'from 1000 families'

And to quote the times

Lawyers **expect about 1,000 families** to join a medical negligence lawsuit alleging vulnerable children have been misdiagnosed and placed on a damaging medical pathway.

Not that there is.

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/firm-predicts-1000-clients-may-join-gender-identity-clinic-claim/5113419.article

This also says the trust hasn't actually received any communications about any lawsuit.

[Lofty]

https://i.ibb.co/nzwMHH8/20220819-231824.jpg

[Shindig]

What a charm offensive.

[Spikey M]

https://i.ibb.co/nzwMHH8/20220819-231824.jpg

:D

This material is better than anything Gervais or Coogan ever came up with.

[Boydy]

That one's not real, unfortunately.

[7om]

On Tavistock:

https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/1000-families-sue-tavistock-gender-service-2022a10021ac
.

Is that true? 1,000 families? I ask because it's nowhere near any of the reputable news sites. If so, this whole thing is going to prove to be one of the most fucked up things we've done as a society in modern times.


I spent a week on rotation with CAMHS and gender dysphoria was one of the most common presentations. The GIDS service in Devon has a wait time of 2 years for referral, so it is plausible that thousands of families are using the service

[Yevrah]

Oh I don't doubt thousands were using it, but a thousand suing? That's horrific.

[Lewis]

The other thousands must be happy with their mutilated sterile kids.

[Boydy]

Better mutilated and sterile than dead, I suppose.

[Lewis]

Are they the only conceivable options?

[Yevrah]

I bet an absolute fuckton of people think they are.

[Yevrah]

And I've no clue how you accomplish the alternatives, but clearly if a thousand families are suing, Tavistock's approach wasn't particularly successful either.

[Lewis]

What do they do for eating disorders, or these idiots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria)? I don't think they prescribe diet pills and hacksaws.

[Spikey M]

It's all in the marketing. As soon as they managed to get "sex and gender are different things" accepted as true it was goodnight to any form of common sense on the issue until legitimate harm had been done.

If they can get "disability and inability are not the same thing" to fly, then we my aswell start handing out guillotines on the NHS for our dismorphic friends.

[7om]

“Transabled”.

I’m not for this world anymore.

[randomlegend]

I've said this before, but there are definitely some kids with true gender dysphoria for whom changing gender is genuinely life-changing for the better.

I do think for the majority though, it's an expression of other mental distress/illness. Our teenage girls who get admitted for an extended period after suicide attempts or with eating disorders almost unanimously go through certain stages in the early part of their admission. Week 1-2 is kicking off and trashing the place, week 2-3 they break and go all docile, then week 3-4 they change their name +/- gender.

With regards to this clinic, I've not actually been there so I can't say for sure. But usual practice in this sort of situation is that they will offer the options and provide information rather than railroading kids into having hormone blockers. Parent, child and clinician will come to a joint decision about whether to go ahead or not. However many months down the line, parents +/- child decide it was a mistake and need someone to blame...hence suing the clinic. I might be wrong - obviously monsters do exist in medicine - but I think the above is more likely.

[Spikey M]

It's all mental health related as far as I can see, and I don't buy the "it prevents suicide" argument either. It's not as if people that have undergone surgery and hormone therapy float through life happily ever after.

It's basically impossible to find stats as all the material is either from the Trans community professing that treatment solves everything, or from religious wing nuts saying it makes everything worse, but - from what I can see - post-treatment trans people still commit suicide above normal levels.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Obviously you have to wonder how much of that is due to the way they are viewed and treated by society, but it should be enough to make anyone sensible question whether a scalpel is the answer.

[randomlegend]

It's all mental health related as far as I can see, and I don't buy the "it prevents suicide" argument either. It's not as if people that have undergone surgery and hormone therapy float through life happily ever after.

It's basically impossible to find stats as all the material is either from the Trans community professing that treatment solves everything, or from religious wing nuts saying it makes everything worse, but - from what I can see - post-treatment trans people still commit suicide above normal levels.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Obviously you have to wonder how much of that is due to the way they are viewed and treated by society, but it should be enough to make anyone sensible question whether a scalpel is the answer.

Just to be clear, the story about that clinic refers to children being prescribed hormone blocking drugs to prevent the masculinisation/feminisation which would normally come with puberty. It's not talking about kids undergoing surgery as far as I can tell.

You can't be prescribed cross-sex hormones (hormones of the sex opposite to your birth sex to bring about development of those sexual characteristics) until you are 16 and you can't have surgery until you've been on cross-sex hormones for 12 months (so 17, and legally a consenting adult).

[Kikó]

I've said this before, but there are definitely some kids with true gender dysphoria for whom changing gender is genuinely life-changing for the better.

I do think for the majority though, it's an expression of other mental distress/illness. Our teenage girls who get admitted for an extended period after suicide attempts or with eating disorders almost unanimously go through certain stages in the early part of their admission. Week 1-2 is kicking off and trashing the place, week 2-3 they break and go all docile, then week 3-4 they change their name +/- gender.

With regards to this clinic, I've not actually been there so I can't say for sure. But usual practice in this sort of situation is that they will offer the options and provide information rather than railroading kids into having hormone blockers. Parent, child and clinician will come to a joint decision about whether to go ahead or not. However many months down the line, parents +/- child decide it was a mistake and need someone to blame...hence suing the clinic. I might be wrong - obviously monsters do exist in medicine - but I think the above is more likely.

I think a lot of people don't realise that it's a long process and not the first thing offered to someone.

[randomlegend]

Yeah, I'm sure it will takes months if not years before you even get seen at that place, nonetheless started on treatment.

[Spikey M]

I'm not specifically talking about teenagers. Although I am opposed to fucking around with their hormones, be it via "blockers" or Uno-reverse card medication.

I mean anyone. I just can't see that the appropriate reaction to someone with a mental health issue is to start cutting bits off of them. Especially when it doesn't result in happy, functioning people down the line anyway.

I don't know what the actual solution is, I just don't think the scientific community do either.

[Shindig]

And you'd imagine with some (if not all) of these people have went down the psychiatric route and got nothing out of it. Admittedly, if you're 16-24 and on the spectrum (all of the claimants I've seen with gender dysphoria are also claiming for autism or global learning difficulties. All of them.) you're going to struggle to wrap your head around it.

I also think the internet's a terrible force as it builds a community around it. Peer pressure for very young people to make what should effectively be a last resort. Not to mention the potential for grooming. I'd hate to navigate through that minefield.

[Spikey M]

The social media aspect is my main concern. This stuff is fashionable these days. Being a Depressed, Trans, Vegan is starting to feel like this generations answer to Grungers.

I'm not saying they're all making it up, but I am absolutely convinced that there will be people going through treatment that aren't actually Trans and they're going to end up regretting it when they grow the fuck up.

The sad part is that it is going to impact on legitimate Trans people.

[Shindig]

And neither side really wants to debate the other. Like, I saw that trans World Champion cyclist on the Daily Show mention there was no 'precedent for a transwoman to be overpowered in a woman's sport'. She's a World Champion in a woman's sport. In interviews, that jersey is proudly displayed in full view. Trevor Noah didn't have the bottle to be "Woah. HOLD UP! There's a discussion to be had here. You ARE the precedent." Those discussions really need to happen without fear of being called a bigot. Do transpeople even have an answer when that discussion finally happens? Does anybody else?

[Manc]

I wonder how many of these kids are being raised in non-traditional households.

[randomlegend]

I wonder how many of these kids are being raised in non-traditional households.

No correlation in my anecdotal experience.

[Spikey M]

And neither side really wants to debate the other. Like, I saw that trans World Champion cyclist on the Daily Show mention there was no 'precedent for a transwoman to be overpowered in a woman's sport'. She's a World Champion in a woman's sport. In interviews, that jersey is proudly displayed in full view. Trevor Noah didn't have the bottle to be "Woah. HOLD UP! There's a discussion to be had here. You ARE the precedent." Those discussions really need to happen without fear of being called a bigot. Do transpeople even have an answer when that discussion finally happens? Does anybody else?

The discussion is a nonsense. They (M to F) do have an advantage, you would have to be an idiot to think otherwise.

There are a tiny number of Trans athletes and they have gone from being mundane males to record breaking women. There are precisely zero F to M trans athletes doing the same. We're only pissing about pretending there's any doubt because people are scared to offend.

[Andrew]

https://youtu.be/tJ_bD6N1zNw

This is an interview about that Tavistock centre if half the stuff he says is true, then heads need to roll.

[Yevrah]

I'm only five minutes in and up to now I thought the "experimenting" on kids thing was a somewhat sensationalist take, but it appears not. Fucking hell.

[Yevrah]

I think a lot of people don't realise that it's a long process and not the first thing offered to someone.

Watching this video it's clearly not long enough and more worryingly, it seems to have been based on the child proving their desire to have it done rather than an objective medical assessment as to whether it's the right option to take.

[Yevrah]

Facebook took this guys page down that he states was just posting objective clinical facts, from which people could use to assist their decision. This is somehow even worse than I thought and is absolutely blowing my mind.

"Political belief and ideology over rational scientific argument"

A worse use of science than some of the absolute drivel spouted during COVID.

[Yevrah]

"GIDS argued that 11 year olds were capable of making these decisions"

:sick:

[Lewis]

Luckily we know that the slippery slope fallacy is exactly what the name suggests, otherwise you would have to question why certain people are so keen to entrench the idea that kids can make informed decisions.

[Yevrah]

I knew there'd be at least one major thing in my lifetime that we'd look back on in decades to come and think what in the fuck were we doing? What I didn't realise was that I'd be able to work out what it was before I died.

But it's this, absolutely no question about it.

[Lewis]

Does that mean you've given up on the sitcom?

[Yevrah]

Haha. I am now content.

[Pepe]

Watching this video it's clearly not long enough and more worryingly, it seems to have been based on the child proving their desire to have it done rather than an objective medical assessment as to whether it's the right option to take.

Gender-affirming care, baby. Imagine the lols to be had if we applied that standard to all healthcare.

[Spikey M]

Fond memories of that trans lady demanding Cervical screening on inclusivity grounds.

[7om]

The NHS is going to become an absolute minefield with wank like this.

[Giggles]

Closing power stations = less electricity. Surprise!


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[Waffdon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62649615?at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom4=E955BC20-22FA-11ED-A307-66AC96E8478F&at_campaign=64&at_custom3=%40BBCBreaking&at_medium=custom7

Huh? Surely something odd has went on here. 5 folk were arrested for her murder/kidnapping lol

[Don]

Wild street ho.

[Giggles]

Don dondon don dooooooooooon.

[Waffdon]

Liverpool sounds like a right shithole. Another little kid shot dead in a cross firing

[Spikey M]

There's no "sounds like" about it.

[Lewis]

I figured that they must have been caught up in their [step]dad being attacked, but it being completely random is a bit of a weird one. Why would you try to force your way into a house? It seems like something that would slow you down for very little protection.

[Lewis]

Anyway, 'firing indiscriminately'. Let's see.

[Spikey M]

I figured that they must have been caught up in their [step]dad being attacked, but it being completely random is a bit of a weird one. Why would you try to force your way into a house? It seems like something that would slow you down for very little protection.

My question was "why the fuck would you open the door upon hearing gunshots and a load of agro in the street?"

[Shindig]

People stop and film that shit all the time, to be fair. :D

[Waffdon]

My question was "why the fuck would you open the door upon hearing gunshots and a load of agro in the street?"

Would you know what a gunshot would sound like? I’d definitely have had a nosey to see what the noise was. Maybe use the window in future.

[Yevrah]

I have a rule in life that's developed over the last few years. Never open the door unless you're expecting someone you want to see. At absolute best it'll be hassle.

[Foe]

Same, I also have a similar philosopher for phone calls.

No landline so I don’t get bugged and no answer to unknown numbers.

[mo]

Confucius say 'who dis?'

[Waffdon]

I have a rule in life that's developed over the last few years. Never open the door unless you're expecting someone you want to see. At absolute best it'll be hassle.

I assumed she heard a noise and opened it to see what the fuss was and then the geezer running from the gun notices and beelines for the door. Don’t think she was letting him in

[Lofty]

I have a rule in life that's developed over the last few years. Never open the door unless you're expecting someone you want to see. At absolute best it'll be hassle.

A better rule: keep your door locked at all times. There are enough chancers who try door handles never mind shit like this spilling into your house.

The ring doorbell is the curtain twitcher's dream ticket if you are that nosey.

[Manc]

Newsnight painting Liverpool like it's Gotham City.

[Spikey M]

Would you know what a gunshot would sound like? I’d definitely have had a nosey to see what the noise was. Maybe use the window in future.

Well, the alternatives are some kind of explosion (to which the same answer applies), a car backfiring or a firework (neither of which are worth your attention).

So yeah, maybe have a little look out the window, but opening your door to what could be a gun - in fucking Liverpool of all places - is just silly.

[randomlegend]

I have a rule in life that's developed over the last few years. Never open the door unless you're expecting someone you want to see. At absolute best it'll be hassle.

How the diamond for my wife's engagement ring ended up in Londis post-office for a week.

[Spikey M]

Did you trade it for a Mars Bar?

[John Arne]

5ft bat in the Philippines...

1562224131906863106

[niko_cee]

Bat pr0n warning.

[Waffdon]

5ft bat in the Philippines...

1562224131906863106

Micro penis lul

[Manc]

Pandemic incoming.

[Yevrah]

That bat is clearly not five foot. But still, fuck me.

[Kikó]

It's 1 foot from things I've read in the past.

[Pepe]

Maybe the 5 ft is the wingspan.

[Pepe]

Or maybe people are making shit up on the internet again.

[Spikey M]

That bat is clearly not five foot. But still, fuck me.

Don't tempt it.

[Yevrah]

:lol:

[Shindig]

Australians really like to piss animals off, don't they?

[mo]

1562723529984188416

Lots of revisionism about the pandemic/lockdowns today I see - Sunak's also said that scientists were given too much credence at the time. The school's thing is moot - many schools were having to close or partially close due to staff absence before the official closures.

Will Quince seems to be trying to piss off every headteacher in the country today by spouting this made up nonsense about schools having to close 1-2 days a week and then saying schools need to find the money in their existing budget to pay for fuel price increases.

[Ben]

Everything these days is revisionist because people only have the ability to think in the short-term.

It doesn't seem like the October energy price cap increase will wash but everyone stomached the April one "because Ukraine" even though the warning signs have been there for years with regards to selling off domestic reserves and Europe relying on just-in-time deliveries from a notoriously sketchy nation because they remained cheap. Any voter with a memory span longer than a week should be looking to punish these cunts for their 12 years of corruption and neglect, but no doubt their mates on Fleet Street will run a headline that will make them all forget and the "but look at the alternative" argument will prevail once more which is obviously inane.

[Yevrah]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-62678259

How the fuck are you allowed to keep an eighteen foot python in a terraced two up two down? I was hardly on the get the dogs out of Afghanistan bus, but for fuck's sake.

[Lewis]

I lolled at the 'pictured here' caption on the picture of it and the mad woman.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-62762421

:|

[Jimmy Floyd]

He also declared a national holiday on Friday to allow Argentines time to "express themselves in defence of life, democracy and in solidarity with our vice president".

It would take about ten dead royals for us to get an emergency bank holiday, and these cretins get one for a misfiring gun.

[niko_cee]

President Fernandez, former president Fernandez and her husband, also a president Fernandez, corruption, defrauding the state, sounds like Liverpool and its mayors.