News of the day

[Spikey M]

It fucking well is as well. :D

[Lewis]

I'm struggling to find one where Eugenie looks worse.

My mother has this interview on, and Meghan just seems a bit thick. How, whilst being at the very centre of the Royal Family, do you manage to convince yourself that your kid isn't getting a title because of racism when anyone with a bit of historical knowledge could have explained otherwise? Oprah just sitting there like an idiot as well, supporting what Floyd was saying about their famous people never hearing any criticism.

[Shindig]

I'm spending way too much time over this. :D

[randomlegend]

I'm struggling to find one where Eugenie looks worse.


https://i.imgur.com/xXMoBJo.jpg

This one for sure.

EDIT: Looks worse zoomed in on the google search

[Lewis]

Yeah that's one, but that's probably the best picture of the other one ever taken. I don't see it as a general rule.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't even know which one's Eugenie. I know them by sight as Equine and Jawline. But there are loads where Equine shapes up ok (normally with smaller hair, as above) and Jawline is clunking her features off the scenery.

[Don]

First 16 mins of the BBC news including a comical recorded fact-checking piece with belters like "who made who cry?" :happycry:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Does anyone out in the country (apart from the usual royal freaks) actually give a shit about this, or is it just a media event? I'm sensing the latter, and my senses are getting better year on year.

[7om]

Oprah looks like she’s made of playdoh

[Lewis]

Does anyone out in the country (apart from the usual royal freaks) actually give a shit about this, or is it just a media event? I'm sensing the latter, and my senses are getting better year on year.

It's a media event insofar as it can be temporarily absorbed into wider NARRATIVES, but lol at people thinking it's some sort of crisis for the institution. The state of some of the American 'takes' on it all as well. It must be revenge for all the shit we churn out about them.

[Don]

Some cunt who abandoned his wife in a care home (in sickness and in health, you disgrace) was recorded going in to visit her even though she hadn't a clue who he was and hugging her even though that's in direct contravention of the rules.

Malala going from Oxford alumni Nobel Prize winner to working on the next series of RuPaul's Drag Race. What a fucking important figure.

I'm in a top mood tonight.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There hasn't been a proper crisis for the institution, well, certainly not in our lifetimes. Diana and this are just temporary inconveniences. The line is sorted.

Last proper CRISIS was probably the abdication. Before that, probably George III or something. It's rock solid until such time as one of the main line does a Juan Carlos.

[Yevrah]

I did have sympathy for them both at one point, but their approach in the last six months seems completely at odds with the desire for the media to leave them alone, so one has to wonder whether they just couldn't be arsed with the no doubt incredibly tedious stuff you have to do as members of the royal family.

Changed my mind watching this.

Either Meghan is a brilliant actress (I've seen a lot of Suits, she isn't) or they're just a couple of people who got a lot of shit from the media (which continues to be up there in the list of morally bankrupt industries), had little to no moral support from their family in dealing with that, thought fuck this, then realised they needed to make obscene money somehow and that a media presence is the easiest way to do it.

Fair play to them.

[Spikey M]

I only watched the first half an hour, but my take away was that she really is an astonishingly beautiful lady and The Firm can get fucked.

[7om]

I’m Team Prince Charles. Fuck Meghan and James Hewitt’s son.

[Spikey M]

Racist.

[Yevrah]

One thing I do take issue with is the desperation to compare this to Diana, which is ridiculous.

The racism might be worse than any one thing Diana experienced, but I'm old enough to remember how much interest there was in Diana and this doesn't even touch the sides. We didn't even have a celebrity culture back then, it would have been far worse for her now.

[Lewis]

Some American woman on Newsnight just used that Danny Baker monkey tweet as an example of us having the same race problems as them, and it got a mention in the interview itself; but neither of them mentioned Baker by name. Gutted for him.

[Lewis]

One thing I do take issue with is the desperation to compare this to Diana, which is ridiculous.

The racism might be worse than any one thing Diana experienced, but I'm old enough to remember how much interest there was in Diana and this doesn't even touch the sides. We didn't even have a celebrity culture back then, it would have been far worse for her now.

It seems difficult to square blaming the media for killing your mother whilst also saying that their negative coverage of your wife was racially-motivated. They can simply just be equal opportunity scummers who simultaneously hounded Diana whilst making Camilla Parker-Bowles into a national hate figure.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I remember seeing the Danny Baker monkey tweet when within seconds when it first went up, and looked at it, and thought oh, he's making one of his south London 'I'm working class railing against the aristocracy' posts, which he does a fair bit, and carried on scrolling. Half an hour later I came back and saw all the stuff and thought oh, hang on, Megan's black? So she is, I guess.

It's all a question of how big identity politics is for you. For a lot of people now it's the only thing.

[Don]

There was some fucking black UK atrocity [next to the US woman Lewis sights above] on Newsnight who was doing a sterling job single-handedly winning the war against racismz until she drew parallels between Archie and one of Thomas Jefferson's enslaved illegitimate children who was, and I quote her, "seven eighths black". These fucking people see everything as being linked to skin colour.

[Don]

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They're out in force in the replies to this. Someone's posted the author's employment details in an attempt to get him fired :D nevermind the colour of your skin, fucking address its thinness first.

[Queenslander]

:lol:

[Lewis]

A few apologies coming your way from people who said you looked like the shoe bomber. Have you got a payment app or anything?

[Don]

Muzzies don't cry. That will be the name of my first autobiography.

[Baz]

First :D

[phonics]

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lol what a dweeb.

[Kikó]

It's absolutely tragic how much he's fallen.

[Spikey M]

I don't understand how you get from Father Ted to that without some kind of severe trauma. Probably physical and mental.

[Lofty]

Too much twitter.

[Raoul Duke]

Shittest mid-life crisis award

[Shindig]

Too much twitter.

:nod:

It does terrible / great things to people.

[Disco]

Agreed to separate.

Sure you did mate.

[Lewis]

He's right about trannies, but why has he thrown himself into it to this extent? What was his end goal?

[Boydy]

Let's not forget he was sending dick pics on mumsnet.

[Lofty]

What? :D

On the subject of trans athletes, do they ever get any women going into mens sport or is it just the widely reported brick shithouses going into women's sports and battering them?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Are there many trans men who have dicks sewn on? You rarely hear about them if there are many.

[Shindig]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports#Trans_men

There's a list here. It's dwarfed by the male to females. And their list seems to include ones that transitioned after retirement.

[Jimmy Floyd]

More than I would have guessed, fair play to them.

[Lewis]

Whoever put the Buckingham Palace response together is the best comedian working today.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'Recollections vary' slaying their two hour American TV special with two words, I loved it.

[Ian]

Team Nonce delivering a response that is neither here nor there.

Oprah, Harry and Markle still have exactly what they wanted out of it.

People on either side of the argument continue to believe what they'd chosen to believe before either the interview or the Palace response come out.

I don't see much slaying going on.

[Shindig]

The bullying claims got out first but I wonder if that was sneaked out ahead to muddy whatever came out in the interview. It'll die down anyway.

[Ian]

Yeah I mean everyone involved will just carry on as they were anyway just with slightly chillier messages written on Christmas cards by the butler.

[Shindig]

Assuming he hasn't been sacked for trying to sell George's baby teeth.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The firm's PR have played a blinder, as they always do - lit her up in the build up, then lolled her off afterwards. A nice mafia hit job that will only enrage a small section of lefty pearl-clutchers over here who don't matter anyway. The Palace are no fools, and unlike American TV, they don't need the money.

If you were handling it badly, as the firm, you would no comment your way through the build-up, then you would be forced into breaking your silence once she (ludicrously, as it happens) played the race card. If so then you'd be doing things on her terms and she would be setting the agenda. As it is, she starts the interview with half the population thinking she's a witch (or being more wedded to that opinion) and there's no losing it from there, even if Twitter declares you all to be racists/nonces. Meanwhile, your post-interview statement comes across as a de-escalation rather than a big old flap, and they have nowhere else to go without being defamatory and/or lying.

One thing I've discovered during this exercise is the answer to a question that's been bugging me for a while, which is what/who is Piers Morgan's constituency? No one in polite society admits to liking him. The answer is what I would tentatively call Facebook Grandmas - the older, even more authoritarian cousins of the Facebook Mums. They've been out of the woodwork all over the twitter replies with their grey egg avatars. Absolutely seething that the weatherman dared to challenge him.

[Boydy]

"half the population thinking she's a witch"

"who is Piers Morgan's constituency?"

Answered your own question.

[Dquincy]

I only watched the first half an hour, but my take away was that she really is an astonishingly beautiful lady and The Firm can get fucked.

This. Pre-prego No.1 she was really stunning. And is still attractive now.

If I had to choose between her or the Middleton, it would be the black one.

[Queenslander]

:cab:


The young women of colour redefining Australian beauty standards


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-10/young-women-of-colour-redefining-australian-beauty-standards/13229946?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf243785723&utm_campaign=fb_abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf243785723=1

[Jimmy Floyd]

People of colour is the worst thing America has contributed to the world. What's wrong with referring to lineage specifically, when it's relevant?

[Queenslander]

Both the lefties and right suck at the teat of American culture down here.

[Lewis]

How do you bemoan Western notions of attractiveness as oppressive whilst, in covering your hair as a gimmick, conforming to standards devised solely as a means of not being raped? Am I simply not clever enough to make that work?

[Pepe]

It really is not that hard. Majority cultures bad, minority cultures good.

[Queenslander]

Also this didnt happen.



"When people would make racist jokes I would join in on the jokes because I thought that sort of mistreatment was the price you had to pay to belong."

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It really is not that hard. Majority cultures bad, minority cultures good.

It's the only reason why you moved to America.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56011909

Who could have guessed :D

[Spikey M]

People of colour is the worst thing America has contributed to the world. What's wrong with referring to lineage specifically, when it's relevant?

Because it's less racist to, erm, chuck them all it together?

[Spikey M]

Also this didnt happen.

It used to happen at my school a fair bit, to the extent that the only black kid in my class, Mudiwa, eventually started referring to himself as 'Mud'.

We briefly had another black kid called Kwaku, who was known as the Black Duck and he would Quack along.

These days I imagine (and hope) it isn't a thing, but it definitely was when I was at school.

[Queenslander]

I highly doubt the gen z kids that befriended her also made racist jokes.


Im also generalistion to the extreme.

Back in my day it would have been really ugly for her.

[Offshore Toon]

I'm inclined to believe her given the country in question.

[Queenslander]

I'm inclined to believe her given the country in question.

The older generations of course but kids these days are good people.

[Ian]

That doesn't mean these things can't happen unless you think now it's just a waiting game for racism to die out.

[Queenslander]

Yeah I know Im reaching I guess I just dont believe this particular story.

Probably change my mind come the weekend.

[Spikey M]

It all comes in waves. The 60's had flower power, hippy love & inclusive ways, but we were back to race riots by the 70's and 80's.

We're currently hyper aware of bigotry in all its forms and bending over backwards to avoid it via cancel culture and making a patronising point of giving minorities a pat on the head at every given opportunity. Will that still be the case when my kids are my age? I doubt it.

[Offshore Toon]

Yeah, besides, I haven't exactly heard rave reviews about Australia's race relations from people I know. Even in Melbourne, which is one of the most progressive areas.

At least Coon cheese has gone now.

[Queenslander]

Yeah, besides, I haven't exactly heard rave reviews about Australia's race relations from people I know. Even in Melbourne, which is one of the most progressive areas.

At least Coon cheese has gone now.

Coon was the blokes name.

Melbourne is no where near as progessive as they claim to be. There are 2 documentaries about the Melbourne AFL community booing Adam Goodes into retirement for being proud Aborignal man. The place is as racist as anywhere else in Australia. They just happen to pump out self righteous woke twitter lefties who spit on anyone from the working class if they didnt go to Uni.


The Victorian Police are very heavy handed at the best of times especially if the Sudanese community is involved.

Our aboriginal deaths in custody is up their with best of the best world wide.

Not that I give a shit but we have access to news coming out of the UK...

[Spikey M]

We're not racist, we have a black princess mate.

[Ian]

Universally adored, so she is.

[Queenslander]

We will take on Harry if he needs a home when this is all over.

[Spikey M]

With his complexion? That's just cruel.

[Queenslander]

Tasmania it is.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56342253

Going down for a long time surely?

[Yevrah]

He'll definitely get some serious 'emotive years' added to his sentence.

Makes me wonder what the most unpalatable, yet not illegal, thing is that one could do.

[Lofty]

You have to wonder about the mentality of him and the other guy who pissed on someone as they died, not just to do that but to film it and share it. I am sure there has been some heinous things done to dying people over the years by evil bastards but they probably had the foresight not to put it on Tik Tok afterwards.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He'll definitely get some serious 'emotive years' added to his sentence.

Makes me wonder what the most unpalatable, yet not illegal, thing is that one could do.

Back in the day when we all spent our time on this site having free speech debates with Harold, for some unknown reason, I came up with the scenario whereby a grieving mother would have someone come up to her and sing 'I'm glad, that your kids are dead, I'm glad...' to the tune of Go West by the Pet Shop Boys. Would they get done for some kind of harassment maybe? At the time (probably 2007-9 era), we all agreed that in free speech terms it was acceptable.

In the subsequent decade I think they would definitely now find a crime for it.

[Don]

Those comments are cold and indifferent rather than taking any kind of joy out of their deaths so I wouldn't class him as a psycho, just got carried away by the absurdity of the situation.

[Spikey M]

Back in the day when we all spent our time on this site having free speech debates with Harold, for some unknown reason, I came up with the scenario whereby a grieving mother would have someone come up to her and sing 'I'm glad, that your kids are dead, I'm glad...' to the tune of Go West by the Pet Shop Boys. Would they get done for some kind of harassment maybe? At the time (probably 2007-9 era), we all agreed that in free speech terms it was acceptable.

In the subsequent decade I think they would definitely now find a crime for it.

I would still agree. They should probably be sacked by their employer, abandoned by their friends and hopefully get assaulted on a regular basis, but being a cunt / hurting someone's feelings should not be illegal.

[Offshore Toon]

I think mocking somebody's dead relative goes beyond being a cunt/hurting their feelings. You could cause serious damage to their mental health which may take a long time to undo, especially if they're vulnerable and unable to really defend themselves.

[Spikey M]

Possibly, but what's the crime? There are lots of things we could do to cause long term mental health issues for a vulnerable person.

My sister in law has a an autistic son, he is obsessed with his trains. Nothing else bothers him at all, so, before they were getting help with him they used to take his trains away if he needed punishing for something. They've now had it explained that they could do far more harm than good going down that route and do it anymore, but were they commiting a crime at the tine? Would they be committing a crime now that they're aware? I really don't know. It's going to be an impossible task to draw a line to my mind.

[Ian]

In those two specific examples there's obviously a difference between the autistic kid/trains thing and revelling in front of a grieving mother at her loss, but how you should draw that line or whether you should even try I don't know.

[Pepe]

It's the only reason why you moved to America.

True.

[Spikey M]

In those two specific examples there's obviously a difference between the autistic kid/trains thing and revelling in front of a grieving mother at her loss, but how you should draw that line or whether you should even try I don't know.

Granted, It's just the only real world example I have to hand and, to my Nephews mind, I'm not sure there would be much of a difference. Those trains are his life.

That's where we move from the level of offence being given to the level of offence being taken and I can't see how you form a legal framework around that.

There's a clear difference in intent and perceived gravity, but to the 'victim' the outcome may well be the same. Intent has to matter, but how do you manage that in legal terms.

[Offshore Toon]

The crime is maliciously mocking a dead person in front of their relatives. Where does that fit specifically in the law? I don't know, but there are plenty of flexible laws to do you if needs be. There'll probably be something more concrete brought in further down the line.

And yeah, if you sister-in-law knows it is causing harm to her vulnerable child then I'd imagine it is illegal and she risks having him taken off her. But previously, no, she hasn't done anything wrong as she wasn't to know the harm being caused.

[Offshore Toon]

Intent is the biggest factor here. If somebody with a mental health issue was mocking the dead relative, then it's a different story.

[Spikey M]

And yeah, if you sister-in-law knows it is causing harm to her vulnerable child then I'd imagine it is illegal and she risks having him taken off her. But previously, no, she hasn't done anything wrong as she wasn't to know the harm being caused.

That's where I fell initially, but I'm not so sure upon thinking of it. Part of being a parent is occasionally being unkind to teach a lesson. Grounding, naughty step, taking things away, etc. Then there's the muddy ground of who is and isn't vulnerable and what is and isn't excessive.

I think I still agree, but it's a minefield and there's room within that for a lot of well meaning parents to end up on the wrong end of a charge.

[Offshore Toon]

Surely it's about long-term damage. The same way you don't break your child's leg when they cause thousands of pounds worth of damage. It's obviously difficult to judge, but if a professional has made the call and you go against that then you're liable.

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56011909

Who could have guessed :D

These facilities are perfect for a shitty work culture. Mousey specialists, old school coppers ('bearded men in flip-flops' is a good joke), useless civil servants/women, and then local retards on too much money.

[Lewis]

The grieving mother heckler would definitely be nailed in this [clown] country under one of our various communication laws for 'distress', but they would be fine in America unless it became so constant/relentless as to become some form of harassment, and that is how it ought to be.

[Don]

This Wayne Couzens lad who murdered the Clapham bird has caught my imagination, I want gory details and play-by-play accounts.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My ex-cop old man, who is basically always right about any TV crime like this within about 10 seconds, said when it was first on the news and they showed her last known movements etc: 'This is all wrong, there's something weird as hell going on here'.

Not yet seen anything to suggest he isn't right again.

[Yevrah]

What was it that triggered his spidey senses?

[Lewis]

My colleague has some incredible fifty years man and boy ex-copper stories, and the amount of them that feature clocking wrong'uns on the smallest details could convince you to do away with most of the management and leave them to it were it not for the fact that quite a lot of them are also about how bent and violent they used to be.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What was it that triggered his spidey senses?

No idea. It was at the weekend, just after the doorbell cam images were released, so probably that. I speculated that she'd done herself in, and he said 'Nope', and then started saying 'Very odd, this, very odd' in foreboding terms.

I'm trying to think of his other ones. He was onto that Christopher Jeffries being a terrible arrest within about 0.5 seconds, and he still insists that Barry George did kill Jill Dando. He also told me about 20 years ago that Prince Andrew was a wrong un.

[Shindig]

He's probably right about Barry George.

[Spikey M]

Jimmy's dad making Jonathan Creek look like a right cunt via a bit of Ring Doorbell footage. :cool:

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/10/two-teenagers-placed-in-foster-care-after-weight-loss-plan-fails

Gonna go cheer the cranes on as they return the kids to the ocean :huhu:

[Disco]

Make them US citizens and they'll suddenly be average weight again.

[Boydy]

BBC News - Sarah Everard: Met officer held over missing woman taken to hospital
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56331950

This is getting weirder.

[niko_cee]

It's obviously an awful tragedy (well, in all likelihood) but I find the need for every single news item to be made into some 'wider reflection on society' issue really quite wearing.

[Ian]

BBC News - Sarah Everard: Met officer held over missing woman taken to hospital
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56331950

This is getting weirder.

Ah, he's Fallen Down Some Stairs has he?

[Lewis]

The bloke accused of it sounds like textbook tranny material, so him eventually wanting into a women's prison will be something.

[Shindig]

He was on the diplomatic beat so he probably wasn't trusted to do proper policing.

[Lofty]

It did seem like a weird one to my amateur eye in that the police making such a massive amount of door to door enquiries quickly doesn't seem like a normal 'nationally reported news item' when someone goes missing.

[Dquincy]

http://news.sky.com/story/sarah-everard-green-partys-baroness-jones-suggests-6pm-curfew-for-men-12243194

sarah-everard-green-partys-baroness-jones-suggests-6pm-curfew-for-men

Lol

[Spikey M]

Good idea. Now get the police out on the streets to enforce it.

Oh.

[Lewis]

Make it ten o'clock for men generally, and then tick it down for specific sub-groups that commit even more violent crime.

[Queenslander]

QLD Labor would never dare suggest a curfew for men. Who else is going to piss their money away in pokie rooms untill 4am everynight?

[niko_cee]

Old women? Or do they get it all done in the afternoons?

[Queenslander]

I reckon they'd be put off by the type of late night pokie feind.

Covid QR sign in has cleaned up the pokie rooms at the 3 pubs I go to. Pre covid they were rooms for crack heads to gather.

From my understanding old ladies go to the Leagues Clubs and they arent open untill 4am. Edit: Whoops Im wrong Easts Leagues is open to 3am.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I might have told this not very exciting story before, but my paternal grandmother (who died before I was born) worked at Bletchley Park during the war. Whilst there she made friends with another woman (let's call her Joan) who lived near her. After the war they stayed best friends to the point it was that situation where her kids (my dad etc) called this lady 'Auntie Joan'. When Joan's husband and my grandmother both died in the 70s, there wasn't much left here for Joan so she upped sticks for the weather and moved to Australia, specifically to Penrith in NSW. My parents kept in touch with her over the years, writing letters etc or whatever people used to do to keep in touch in the 80s and 90s.

Fast forward to 2001 and our family (including 13 year old me) goes on holiday to Australia for a sort of 'trip of a lifetime' month long thing. On the way round we of course make time to go to Penrith and stop in with a now very elderly Joan and buy her lunch. My dad asks her where the best restaurant is around there. She scoffs at the idea of going to a restaurant and says 'Let's go to the club'. We are puzzled as to what 'the club' is, so she gets in the back of our big hire car and directs us a few blocks away, to what turns out to be Penrith Panthers rugby league. Confused by this, we all get out and have dogshit sausage and chips in the canteen/restaurant there, which is about 25% of the floor space. The rest of the space is entirely taken up by old people on pokies. Joan soon joins in and we're all just left standing there in the middle of Australia watching a whole army of pensioners gamble their savings away thinking 'wtf?'

So yeah, that was how I learned about Australian high culture. Then a few years later we got a call from down under during Christmas dinner to tell us Joan had snuffed it. That was a festive moment.

[niko_cee]

Mate, you were in Penrith. The Leagues club probably was the best option.

[Ian]

I learned about them from Bill Bryson Down Under. I've never been to a casino and barely ever to one of the 'arcades' you see in Glasgow, but at uni there was a snooker hall which was above one.

Properly depressing when you'd see people just sat there joylessly feeding all their money into it. The one that really sticks out to me is a woman who was probably about my age now just sitting there surrounded by the bags of her weekly shop doing it. Presumably with something either spoiling or slowly defrosting or whatever.

[Dquincy]

Novavax becomes latest vaccine to show high levels of efficacy

The Novavax vaccine, which will be produced in Teesside if approved, has been found to be more than 96% effective in protecting against the original strain of COVID-19.

It was also found to be 100% effective at preventing severe illness.

The UK has 60 million doses of the Novavax vaccine on order.

Promising news.

Edit: shit, wrong thread. Fuck it.

[Queenslander]

It is truly disgusting how we let our State Govenment rinse our poor people. The QLD Labor mob run by the most revolting hypocrites refuse to remove 4am pokie rooms in almost every suburb in Brisbane.

Last July QLD spent $293 million on pokie machines.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-05/jobkeeper-payments-spent-on-pokies-as-gambling-hits-record-high/12717374

[niko_cee]

Properly depressing when you'd see people just sat there joylessly feeding all their money into it. The one that really sticks out to me is a woman who was probably about my age now just sitting there surrounded by the bags of her weekly shop doing it. Presumably with something either spoiling or slowly defrosting or whatever.

At least she'd done the shopping before spaffing all her cash.

[Ian]

Well yes, she's still got partially defrosted salmonella for the kids later after she's lost it all.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I like a gamble, but I don't think I'd derive any enjoyment from feeding coins into a machine that has a 5% margin on it or whatever. That said, doing it once you might at least get lucky. Doing it all afternoon, you will definitely lose.

[Queenslander]

I like a gamble, but I don't think I'd derive any enjoyment from feeding coins into a machine that has a 5% margin on it or whatever. That said, doing it once you might at least get lucky. Doing it all afternoon, you will definitely lose.

I enjoy throwing $20 in when the room is full as I usually double my money.

[Ian]

My mate at uni had a ludicrous success rate with the fruit machine (what do other parts of the UK call these? I remember being surprised to move to Scotland and learning they called it a puggy) but that was because he'd watch and see when people had been feeding money into it and getting nothing.

A guy who insisted on lurking around us at the union was stood next to him once when he won £150 and seriously tried to claim half of it was his because it was a "team effort."

[Spikey M]

My mate at uni had a ludicrous success rate with the fruit machine (what do other parts of the UK call these? I remember being surprised to move to Scotland and learning they called it a puggy) but that was because he'd watch and see when people had been feeding money into it and getting nothing.

A guy who insisted on lurking around us at the union was stood next to him once when he won £150 and seriously tried to claim half of it was his because it was a "team effort."

I worked down the local theme park when I was 16 and the arcade paid for my lunch most days. There was an arcade in clear view of most of the rides and I'd just watch to see which was being loaded up for the half hour before my lunch break. Glorious.

The only thing better was the steady sound of coins dropping from people's pockets when they were on the "the claw" which turned upside-down and span around. Routinely pulled in £20 odd at the end of each shift on that just walking around and collecting the shrapnel.

[Don]

That's standard protocol amongst the fiends. Ah to be in their presence once again in 4 weeks time :happycry:

Edit: get the fuck out of the way, you melt.

[Lofty]

I remember some young couple feeding pound after pound into the fruit machine when I worked behind the bar in the working man's club, continually coming back asking me for change as time ticked on. Eventually they passed the point of no return where they had managed to put more than half the total £100 jackpot in and were now chasing. Think they got to about £80 down by last orders, genuine panic in their eyes. Then I kicked them out and mopped up their hard earned losses.

[Queenslander]

:lol:

[Dquincy]

http://news.sky.com/story/police-face-legal-challenge-after-warning-vigil-for-sarah-everard-would-be-unlawful-12243316

Why should they be treated different to the 'rules'.

[Lewis]

Middle class white women simultaneously finding out that 1) there is violent crime out there; and 2) that there are double standards in policing. Unlucky ladies.

[Spikey M]

Jimmy will be delighted to see that forcing people to stay at home is their answer to literally everything.

[Yevrah]

Why/how has this Everard case caused a Women's safety movement?

Educate me.

[Lewis]

Because she looks like people with cultural/media influence, and it wasn't a foreigner/non-white person who [appears to have] done it.

[Yevrah]

Still don't get it, that sort of thing has happened loads of time before and we don't even know what's happened to her, do we?

[Dquincy]

Nailed it. It's bollocks.

[Yevrah]

I'm not even saying it's bollocks, I just want to understand.

How has someone presumably getting accosted on Clapham common, murdered and dumped somewhere resonated with so many people from a shared experience perspective?

I'm also not sure what's being asked for either. It's appalling that some men commit the acts they do against women but what's the solution?

[Spikey M]

Still don't get it, that sort of thing has happened loads of time before and we don't even know what's happened to her, do we?

A policeman did it. Which I imagine would always have been big news, but in a BLM world with fuck all else going on (Covid and Brexit aside) this has been zeroed in on.

[Yevrah]

A policeman did it. Which I imagine would always have been big news, but in a BLM world with fuck all else going on (Covid and Brexit aside) this has been zeroed in on.

What did he actually do though? Pick a random woman off the street? Kill someone he knew? Has this actually been established?

[niko_cee]

Still don't get it, that sort of thing has happened loads of time before and we don't even know what's happened to her, do we?

This is what I was getting at with my statement on the previous page.

I can fully understand and sympathise with the sentiment the journalist woman (McCann?) had about 'choosing the more well lit route home', but not walking through Clapham Common at night (in my case it was not walking through Finsbury Park at night) is a judgment call everyone has to make, not just women, even if they are at 'greater risk'. I suppose the weird irony is probably that, statistically speaking, you're likely at greater risk of being mown down by a bus on a well lit road than you are to be the victim of something like this, but we humans don't deal well with rational decision making a lot of the time.

[Yevrah]

Because if she knew him well it changes the context entirely as she wouldn't have been safe from him whether she was on the street or not.

EDIT: In reply to me not Niko.

[Spikey M]

What did he actually do though? Pick a random woman off the street? Kill someone he knew? Has this actually been established?

It doesn't really matter. A woman went missing on her way home, was found dead a week later and a copper is the main suspect. Plenty there to get the socials going.

I think it would have been big news at the best of times, but as with BLM, if people weren't bored rigid it wouldn't be getting this much attention.

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56350460
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56372894

That sums it up. Not one mention of the former in the latter. The response is very white middle class woman as well with all the learning and the bullshit. Even nonces and psychos know this stuff is wrong. That's half of why they do it, and the female barrister all over the news yesterday should know that more than anyone since she's probably kept enough of the cunts in society and spends her spare time opposing stop and search.

[Yevrah]

Watching a Newsnight thing on it now and unless I'm mistaken there seems to be a conflation between women being inappropriately spoken to and murder. I'm so confused.

[Lewis]

Eddie Izzard bragging about being 'promoted to she' on the same Guardian front page as a load of dead women. :happycry:

[Jimmy Floyd]

White middle class London women literally couldn't give a flying fuck about Chinese girls being killed in chip shops in the valleys. What matters, and what produces the media shitstorm (because they are, wait for it, powerful people with voices) is the fact that they feel like the Sarah Everard one could have been them, and it arouses the fear that is embedded in their sense of having something to lose, in the same way that Brexit does, in the same way that Covid does. Most of them are even saying that out loud - that 'This could have happened to me' - not realising what it is that it actually means when they say that.

If male violence were the issue then these people would give a shit about Wenjing Lin. Alas male violence is not the issue (it should be the issue). It's just something they use as cover for the real issue, which is that they think that they've paid up, so the places they hang out should be safe from crime. Fuck the valleys, who lives there?

[Don]

Clubs are shut and a lot of women are lacking the good dicking they need to set them straight.

[Shindig]

Watching a Newsnight thing on it now and unless I'm mistaken there seems to be a conflation between women being inappropriately spoken to and murder. I'm so confused.

All crime towards women is sexual. It's just sexy scientific fact. : pavel:

[Lewis]

Meanwhile in a poorer area you wot mate (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14316062/takeaway-worker-forced-on-woman-spared-jail/). That's the actual slippery slope. Not shouting tits out of a van.

[Dquincy]

Meanwhile in a poorer area you wot mate (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14316062/takeaway-worker-forced-on-woman-spared-jail/). That's the actual slippery slope. Not shouting tits out of a van.

Ah, the classic dig out any news story which is slightly similar to the current news hot topic regardless of how old it is.

They did it after Grenfell with any building that caught fire, no matter how minor.

[Dquincy]

twitter.com/georgiacobrien/status/1369616386998349824?s=19

[Shindig]

Before the charges were confirmed, Mr Couzens was taken to hospital for a second time in two days after being found with head injuries inside his cell.

He really, really wants to take himself out.

[Spikey M]

I don't think I'd ever fancy a stretch in prison, but if I were a copper that murdered a young woman I reckon I'd take a dose of Ebola over it.

[Dquincy]

http://news.sky.com/story/clapham-vigil-for-sarah-everard-cancelled-organisers-say-12244410

Vigils cancelled.

[phonics]

An announcer for a live stream of an Oklahoma girls’ high school basketball game cursed and called one team by a racial epithet as the players knelt during the national anthem, then suggested his diabetes was to blame for the episode in a statement expressing his regret.

Incredible. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/12/oklahoma-high-school-basketball-racial-slur

[Baz]

Why does the press care so much about this Sarah Everard? Loads of people go missing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Not many London based 'professionals' do. I say London based, what I really mean is white ones from a trendy part of London. If a Bengali woman got honour-killed in Plaistow they wouldn't give a fuck.

Media coverage of crime is the closest I get to being an actual Marxist. It's all bourgeois flapping.

[Dquincy]

Why does the press care so much about this Sarah Everard? Loads of people go missing.

Maybe because it's a rozzer that wot dunnit?

[Shindig]

Single white female. The media goes nuts over that every single time.

Abolish the Arts. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56382612)

Rough.

[phonics]

Not many London based 'professionals' do. I say London based, what I really mean is white ones from a trendy part of London. If a Bengali woman got honour-killed in Plaistow they wouldn't give a fuck.

Media coverage of crime is the closest I get to being an actual Marxist. It's all bourgeois flapping.

I’ve been so proud of your growth over this. Nearly there.

[Lewis]

Marxism as imagined/administered by middle class white women is most of our political settlement.

[phonics]

I can imagine how a kid that spent his entire life telling everyone the government can’t do anything and anyone in the public sector is a failure. Then went unemployed for years until he found a position in the public sector would believe that. You’re a joke.

[Shindig]

We're all jokes here.

[phonics]

We're all jokes here.

Yes, some of are just self aware enough to be ironic.

[Lewis]

I don't think I would have ever said 'anyone in the public sector is a failure', but wouldn't my work history actually put me in a a decent position to make any such judgement about the administrative state?

[Dquincy]

Some people take this place (and themselves) far too seriously.

[Spikey M]

I spent 6 years working in the public sector and it is a joke.

Alot of the staff are too, but most of them only end up that way after having any form of enthusiasm beaten out of them.

[Lewis]

My bit of it mostly gets left to its own devices (or at least we do as individuals), with very little public/political interaction, which I think is where the issues come in since you're either set up to accommodate the lowest common denominator or constantly being messed about with. You can see why those sort of environments attract and/or create timewasters.

[Spikey M]

In the MOJ at least it's all rules that you must follow. Nobody knows why, nobody questions why and any suggestion that things might be better done in a different way is considered dangerous nonsense.

For that reason the MOJ still uses an old green on black system for data entry, judges still rely on pen and paper and nothing has changed since about 1984.

[Shindig]

It took us years to convince DWP we didn't need to print out assessment reports when they just get scanned in as PDF's at the other end. This month will finally see the last of that.

[Spikey M]

It took us years to convince DWP we didn't need to print out assessment reports when they just get scanned in as PDF's at the other end. This month will finally see the last of that.

We've been having the same battles with our councils. Every month they print out their Housing Benefit schedule and post it to us. Our finance team then has to input the individual payments by hand.

We have asked them for years to just email over the spreadsheet instead, because we have the software to scan a spreadsheet and assign the payments for us in seconds. It would also save them the time and cost of printing and posting it every month. But no, because "our policies say we have to post it".

Your policies predate computers, you twats.

[Jimmy Floyd]

A lot of the problems with working practices (in this country at least) would be solved by a total ban on all printing.

The people aged >55 in my office would simply not be able to do their jobs anymore because they don't understand not having paper copies of everything, so that's ideal. They can all be sacked and their bloated payslips off the books, and everyone wins.

[Shindig]

We accept that some things won't be abolished. We can't get all claimants to apply online, for example. In many ways that's good as it gives someone a physical job to do at our end. The printing was an absolute nightmare, though. Our printers regularly fail because they're not designed for that heavy duty usage. We usually have to get the Xerox engineers out on a weekly basis. The paper bill was mad, as well. With everyone looking to reduce carbon footprints, it looks like we finally turned the DWP around.

People printing out communications can do one. I have the email in front of me. I don't need it on my desk as well. When we moved office, the boxes of tat that came across was unreal. You don't need to hold on to SOP's for a job you no longer do.

[Kikó]

One of the best things about not being in the office is printing out handouts for meetings and the perennial battle on whether the printer would even recognise that I'd sent it a job. It's definitely a lot easier to read long documents if printed out though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Not many London based 'professionals' do. I say London based, what I really mean is white ones from a trendy part of London. If a Bengali woman got honour-killed in Plaistow they wouldn't give a fuck.

Media coverage of crime is the closest I get to being an actual Marxist. It's all bourgeois flapping.

Having said this, the Met going in hard on their 'vigil' is fucking idiocy of the highest order. Whoever made that decision has shit for brains.

Covid has completely eaten away at people's heads.

[Dquincy]

Having said this, the Met going in hard on their 'vigil' is fucking idiocy of the highest order. Whoever made that decision has shit for brains.

Covid has completely eaten away at people's heads.

I bet you weren't saying this when the BLM protests were happening. You're flakier than a flapjack.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The BLM protests had an element of menace about them (undeniably) which required a police presence, for better or worse. This is a load of women standing on a green to protest against, well I'm not exactly sure what they're protesting against but the worst possible effect of letting it happen is a breach of the Coronavirus Act. Heavens! It's just braindead policing.

MPs trying to throw cops under the bus can do one too, though - they all voted through the covid laws that prevented them being able to protest in the first place.

[Kikó]

Welcome to the new police state.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's not a police state, it's just thickos being given jobs far above their station.

[Lewis]

The 'element of menace' was also why the summer protests were left to vandalise statues and also why the Rangers fans were left alone last week. The Ladies Day, much like the anti-lockdown cranks, can be hassled without any significant pushback. Thickos, but also a bit pathetic.

[Jimmy Floyd]

And also a demonstration of why the ruthless authoritarian streak that covid has brought out in the population is a very bad thing; because people are cunts and will enforce rules cruelly.

[Lewis]

That said, most of the people tweeting about it have endorsed every single pandemic measure that has led to this, so what can you do.

[Shindig]

Whelp, those vigils went exactly as anticipated. What do you expect the Met to do when faced with a crowd?

[Kikó]

Not behave like that.

[Dquincy]

https://twitter.com/Welshlad20211/status/1370858182663413767?s=19

[Dquincy]

All these people complaining how outrageous it is of the police and government to crack down on the vigil. But I bet these same people were criticising the BLM demonstrations a few months back. Hypocritics.

[Spikey M]

Whelp, those vigils went exactly as anticipated. What do you expect the Met to do when faced with a crowd?

In a case like this? Stand in unity with them if they have any sense.

[Spikey M]

All these people complaining how outrageous it is of the police and government to crack down on the vigil. But I bet these same people were criticising the BLM demonstrations a few months back. Hypocritics.

I would expect the opposite. The people who opposed the BLM protests will oppose this one too.

[Lewis]

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Every time. :lol:

[Lewis]

lol a few women have similar stories. The balls on him.

[Dquincy]

•Asked me to recount a time I was sexually assaulted so he could masturbate to it.

:lol: Legend.

[John Arne]

:lol: Legend.

As fucked up as some of the examples are, I'm not sure any of it constitutes "sexual abuse".
He just seems to be a massive weirdo.

[Shindig]

Mr. Chorizo. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56292037)

The kid's haircut is upsetting.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If the above isn't sexual abuse then nothing is.

[Dquincy]

A couple's private sex life, not matter how odd to some, is private and as long as both are willing participants (and not breaking the law) then I see no issue with it. And that's what I'll tell the judge.

I'd wager she was a willing participant at the time, but then they broke up and fell out, and now she's using it against him.

[Lewis]

1370890906338005000

'We need to listen to women and learn from our mistakes man' sez... This is seriously hilarious to me.

[Yevrah]

A couple's private sex life, not matter how odd to some, is private and as long as both are willing participants (and not breaking the law) then I see no issue with it. And that's what I'll tell the judge.

I'd wager she was a willing participant at the time, but then they broke up and fell out, and now she's using it against him.

This could absolutely be the case. The old adage springs to mind here of 'a man gets with a woman hoping she won't change and a woman gets with a man hoping he will'. During that hoping he will phase there a loads of things women willingly do that they'll never do again once the honeymoon period is over. That could be as innocuous as pretending they're into football, or as out of context weird as going along with a rape fantasy.

[Spikey M]

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:harold:

[mo]

Up there with the worst twitter takes:

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[Spikey M]

:D

Concentration Camps were, of course, famous for social distancing to prevent the spread of disease.

[Jimmy Floyd]

EDIT: Spikey made my exact post so he can have it. But I'll be back.

[Alex]

I noticed that "Kate Middleton" was trending on Twitter earlier and discovered it was because she had gone down to the vigil for the murdered girl. As far as I can tell she just went there unannounced, left some flowers or something, didn't really speak to anybody and then left. Not all, but quite a bit, of the general sentiment towards her was "what a bitch" and "she is using our cause as a PR stunt, fuck her", that sort of thing.

Maybe the situation just resonates with her? Maybe she just remembered what it was like to be a women on her own in a bit of a scary situation? She might have had an experience that frightened her before. She wasn't always the wife of the future King with a round the clock security detail, after all.

Regardless, at a time when there's this ostensibly call for unity and an end to the abuse of women it's baffling how some (not all, or even a majority, but enough for it to be noticeable) women themselves can't miss an opportunity to unnecessarily be nasty to one of their own. Some of them do a good enough job of tripping themselves up in the race for equality, to be totally honest. "Justice and equality for the sisterhood" out of one side of the mouth and "have you seen what that fucking bitch is doing?" out of the other.

Obviously I'm talking very generally here and don't claim to be any sort of expert, but in my experience women have a greater potential to be fucking horrible and vindictive to their peers for no real reason than men do. Bitchiness, I guess you would call it. If it's not too patriarchal to use that term. It's definitely not the main driver of gender inequality in the world, but it definitely is something a few of them could do to look in the mirror and address.

[Spikey M]

She was born into a multi-millionaire family, wasn't she? It's not the rags to riches story people make it out to be.

Not that it justifies the criticism or means that she hasn't been the victim of abuse or something, obviously.

[Shindig]

The more thing they should be worrying about is how, without the pandemic, Sarah's death would've passed without all this. Well, probably. You still have the whole, Met acting officer shit to deal with. When was all this when that Polish lass got carved up a year or two back?

[Alex]

I've no idea to be honest Spikey. But yeah, I suppose to have moved in the sort of circles to even meet Prince William socially in the first place then there is a very high probability that you are well off. But, as you say, that doesn't make her exempt from identifying with a cause.

[Jimmy Floyd]

She was well off but then a lot of people are well off; she'll have been one of many like her who went up to St Andrews at that time looking for the catch and she was the one who had the looks and charm to bag him.

But yes, people railing at her for going to a memorial are idiots.

I've realised today (not sure why only today) that I have never in my life felt angry. Pissed off, maybe, but not angry, of the type that makes you go out and scream at things, or abuse people on social media. No doubt my lefty comrades would tell me that is various kinds of privilege talking, but I don't think so. I just think I have some fucking perspective.

[Spikey M]

Had they pressed ahead with the vaccine passports whilst keeping the rest of us locked up I think it would have been the first time I'd have been OUTRAGED. As it is, I don't think I ever have been either. I think being a cynic helps.

[Spoonsky]

I've realised today (not sure why only today) that I have never in my life felt angry. Pissed off, maybe, but not angry, of the type that makes you go out and scream at things, or abuse people on social media. No doubt my lefty comrades would tell me that is various kinds of privilege talking, but I don't think so. I just think I have some fucking perspective.

The lack of perspective in this post. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

What perspective am I lacking? What do you think causes anger?

[Spoonsky]

Let's say being sexually assaulted, or racially abused. Those are first-hand experiences which (I hope) you've never lived through, which rightly cause anger in people. The privilege is not having to have had those experiences, and the lack of perspective is to judge the people who have for being angry.

[Lewis]

He's saying he hasn't had those experiences, and as a result has never really had anything to get OUTRAGED about, and that people who also haven't had those lack perspective in getting wound up by social media and the like.

[Lewis]

I stopped us going into a pub with Luca because I deemed it 'a bit gay in here', so that was a brush with hate crime.

[Spikey M]

Spoon got nonced by a Mormon, pass it on..

[Spoonsky]

He's saying he hasn't had those experiences, and as a result has never really had anything to get OUTRAGED about, and that people who also haven't had those lack perspective in getting wound up by social media and the like.

He's said that it's not his privilege talking, but rather his fucking perspective, as though anyone could achieve that state of level-headedness simply by changing their perspective on things. When in reality the privilege is the very fact of not having had those experiences.

The way you've reframed his comment, yeah, nothing to disagree with there. I'd argue that the ability to get angry on behalf of others is an important part of empathy (like, you shouldn't stay calm when you watch the George Floyd video), but that's a different conversation. (And yes, obviously there's also no doubt that social media makes a lot of people lose perspective and get seethingly angry about things which they don't need to.)

[Jimmy Floyd]

The reason I judge people is that I think anger comes more from within than from without. All you need to do to know that is sit in comfortable middle class England for thirty years and watch the stewing, seething anger that exists in so many people who sit in nice houses, have no material deficiency in their lives, and so have no 'reason' to be angry whatsoever.

I've sat in a lot of rooms and heard a lot of things, mind, so I'm not having the privilege line. I know what it means to have the language of society running against you.

[Spoonsky]

The reason I judge people is that I think anger comes more from within than from without. All you need to do to know that is sit in comfortable middle class England for thirty years and watch the stewing, seething anger that exists in so many people who sit in nice houses, have no material deficiency in their lives, and so have no 'reason' to be angry whatsoever.

Definitely, but I think it's a leap to extend that to all angry people, as I felt you had. There are a lot of people who are angry with no reason, and also a lot of people who are angry with plenty of reason. People for whom the anger has inarguably come from without. Both can be true at once.


I've sat in a lot of rooms and heard a lot of things, mind, so I'm not having the privilege line. I know what it means to have the language of society running against you.

:thbup:

I think you'd be well within your rights to feel angry about that, too.

[Lewis]

I was still angry about George Floyd, but, in light of women's safety being the current most pressing issue, I've re-framed it as one less violent man on the streets and now I'm cool.

[Spikey M]

We did our best for Spoon, but he's been absent for too long. He's gone woke.

[phonics]

The only positive of this whole situation is it might put enough pressure on Patel to kill that fascist police bill she’s been pushing through.

[Lofty]

The only positive of this whole situation is it might put enough pressure on Patel to kill that fascist police bill she’s been pushing through.

They have an 80 seat majority and a policy of not giving a fuck about anything, probably fast track it instead.

[Spikey M]

They've come out and said "tut tut, naughty naughty". They will never "consider the matter resolved".

[Dquincy]

I've realised today (not sure why only today) that I have never in my life felt angry. Pissed off, maybe, but not angry, of the type that makes you go out and scream at things, or abuse people on social media. No doubt my lefty comrades would tell me that is various kinds of privilege talking, but I don't think so. I just think I have some fucking perspective.

I'm sure some of my posts over the years have made you angry. :harold:

[Waffdon]

There was an English lady who was reported missing in by Somerset Police the other week. Turned out she had been chatting to someone double her age in Dundee and took her two young daughters with her to his. Police rocked up at his door to ask if she was there or not and a 7 year old was in the room with him. He firstly lied and told the police it was his daughter before admitting he murdered her older sister and mother and buried them under his kitchen floor. Proper Peter Tobin stuff.

I don’t even think I’ve seen a proper news outlet/article on it but that Sarah was given national news before they’d even knew a police officer was involved.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Wasn't she Filipino and the younger daughter was killed?

[Shindig]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/03/f760daf6-6705-4a9b-aaa0-d21f1a1c16a2.jpg?strip=all&w=953

[Waffdon]

Yeah. Google her name though and there’s one news article on it.

They apparently found another body under the floorboards whilst digging up for the Mum and daughter. Unsurprisingly done for attempted murder 15 years ago on a prostitute

[Spikey M]

Yeah... that's fucked up in more ways than one.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah. Google her name though and there’s one news article on it.

They apparently found another body under the floorboards whilst digging up for the Mum and daughter. Unsurprisingly done for attempted murder 15 years ago on a prostitute

I found a couple but only one (Daily Record) mentioned the older daughter that was found alive there.

[Lewis]

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Idiotmouse

[Lofty]

She'll have an Onlyfans next.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Let her in.

[Spikey M]

Oooooof :drool:

[Dquincy]

Don't be fooled by the sunglasses. Take them off and it's a whole different ball game.

[Lewis]

She'll have an Onlyfans next.

InfiDels.

[Dquincy]

If we're ranking jihadi wives then I'll give an honourable mench to Tooba Gondal.

https://cdn.extra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/29143720/19068420-7517209-image-a-4_1569749954864.jpg

[Spikey M]

She's trying too hard. Shamima doesn't need to try. Niqab hair, don't care.

[Luke Emia]

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That refugee camp diet has really done her a favour.

[Kikó]

PROPER MONTHS WORK IN A JIHADI LABOUR CAMP WOLUD SORT OUT OUR COUNCIL FATSOS bemoans Mark Francois.

[Shindig]

Also, she's was seen in the clothes weeks ago when she was denied her return. It's all she owns.

[Dquincy]

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Lol. I mean it's factually inaccurate what they're chanting, but never mind.

[Ian]

I did lol at a bunch of them being specifically told to 'protect Churchill.'

[Yevrah]

Normally it takes a few weeks for the machine to kick in and dilute the protest's original message (murdered black man turning into Fawlty Towers being redacted etc.) but this protest seems to have managed it on its own in a matter of days.

[Baz]

Why, what are they protesting?

I thought it was always about women feeling suppressed and unsafe, but I admit to reading/watching zero coverage.

[Yevrah]

I did lol at a bunch of them being specifically told to 'protect Churchill.'

I'm watching 'World at War' at the moment and given how influential he was in stopping Hitler taking over all of Western Europe while the rest of it was utterly capitulating it's quite incredible how he's become this symbol for all that was wrong in our past.

[Spikey M]

It seems to have just become anti-police now. Which isn't particularly surprising, considering the thick as pig shit response to the 'vigils'.

[Ian]

I'm watching 'World at War' at the moment and given how influential he was in stopping Hitler taking over all of Western Europe while the rest of it was utterly capitulating it's quite incredible how he's become this symbol for all that was wrong in our past.

If people were able to hold multiple opinions rather than just going by their strongest emotional response to a given thing then it should be fairly easy for all to agree that yes he was massively influential in the outcome of the war and that he was also a cunt.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Doesn't matter how many Nazis you've repelled if you once wrote or said something that doesn't tick the right boxes in the contemporary ID politics / culture war discourse (I think this applies to basically every white person that lived before MLK's I Have A Dream speech, which, viewed through the aforementioned batshit crazy lens, is by far the most important event possibly in all of human history).

[Baz]

Yev outing himself as a Eugenicist. :harold:

[Spikey M]

I doubt there's a single person on this planet that hasn't committed a cancellable offence at some point. I mean, I've never seen the entirety of Dresden ablaze, but I've had some edgy opinions at times.

[Lewis]

The NARRATIVE is out-doing itself turning concerns about women's safety into generalised anti-police sentiment. We'll move onto police resources being better spent on consent workshops at some point, and then the contemporary campaigning as resource and status positioning cycle is complete.

[Kikó]

Doesn't matter how many Nazis you've repelled if you once wrote or said something that doesn't tick the right boxes in the contemporary ID politics / culture war discourse (I think this applies to basically every white person that lived before MLK's I Have A Dream speech, which, viewed through the aforementioned batshit crazy lens, is by far the most important event possibly in all of human history).

Pretty interesting article from the Economist a few weeks back:

https://www.economist.com/britain/2021/03/04/a-chronicle-of-the-british-establishments-flirtation-with-hitler


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A chronicle of the British establishment’s flirtation with Hitler
An unexpurgated edition of Chips Channon’s diaries has finally been published


In august 1936 Henry “Chips” Channon and his wife, Lady Honor Guinness, went on an official visit to the Berlin Olympic games along with a bunch of other British grandees. They had a simply wonderful time. They didn’t pull off the ultimate social coup of having dinner with Hitler—the closest they got to the Führer was when he visited the Olympic stadium and “one felt as if one was in the presence of some semi-divine creature”. But the rest of the Nazi elite went out of their way to entertain the visiting Britons.

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Hermann Göring was “flirtatious”, “gay” and “charming”. Frau Göring was “tall”, “handsome” and “nearly naked”. The Ribbentrops’ party lent “dignity to the new regime”. Just as thrilling was the spectacle of daily life. Everyone kept raising their arms and saying “Heil Hitler!” in a thoroughly captivating manner. And what about the rumours of terrible things going on in labour camps? Being a responsible mp Chips took a trip to one such camp and was impressed by what he saw. It looked “tidy, even gay”. The purpose of the camps was to wipe out “class feeling”—not something Chips was normally in favour of getting rid of—and such feeling “has become practically non-existent in Germany”. Chips concluded that “England could learn many a lesson from Nazi Germany”.

These vignettes are all taken from the first of what promises to be three volumes of the diaries of Channon, a rich American who climbed the heights of British society in the 1920s and 1930s and also became a Tory mp. The diaries were first published in 1967 in heavily redacted form: many of the subjects of Chips’s indiscretions were still alive and able to sue. Simon Heffer, a journalist and historian, has taken advantage of the passage of time to produce an unexpurgated edition.

The diaries do more than merely titillate. They demonstrate just how many members of the British upper classes were either infatuated with Hitler or at least regarded him as a useful bulwark against Bolshevism. In one entry, Chips described a visit by his uncle-by-marriage, Lord Halifax, a Tory grandee, to Germany to go fox-hunting with the leading Nazis. “He liked all the Nazi leaders, even Goebbels!…He thinks the regime fantastic, perhaps too fantastic to take seriously. But he is v glad that he went and thinks nothing but good can come of it”. (Halifax almost messed up the occasion by mistaking Hitler for a footman.) The diaries also provide yet more evidence of the vital role Winston Churchill played in saving Britain from the pro-Hitler sympathies of the upper classes and the cynical calculations of appeasing politicians. “That…farceur would stir up trouble anywhere”, Chips wrote, “luckily for England and the peace of Europe he has no following whatsoever in the House [of Commons]”.

It is becoming fashionable on the left to dismiss Churchill as a racist. A vandal spray-painted the word on his statue in Parliament Square. During a recent discussion on “Churchill and race” held in, of all places, Churchill College, Cambridge, panellists competed to denounce him as a racist, white supremacist and eugenicist. Churchill certainly said some repugnant things about race. But by the standards of his time he was relatively moderate: he was much less enthusiastic about eugenics, for example, than many heroes of the left such as Sidney and Beatrice Webb, H.G. Wells, George Bernard Shaw and Harold Laski. He was mercifully free of the common vice of anti-Semitism. And as Channon’s diaries make clear he led the battle against the worst racist in history at a time when other members of his party and class thought labour camps wonderful innovations. ■

[Pepe]

Doesn't matter how many Nazis you've repelled if you once wrote or said something that doesn't tick the right boxes in the contemporary ID politics / culture war discourse (I think this applies to basically every white person that lived before MLK's I Have A Dream speech, which, viewed through the aforementioned batshit crazy lens, is by far the most important event possibly in all of human history).

MLK's views (not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character and whatnot) go against the "antiracist" dogma, so he will soon be cancelled too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

And then uncancelled due to the colour of his skin.

You're right though, black folk from the past must be sliding out of fashion, has anyone cancelled Sammy Davis Jr yet for being Jewish?

[Spikey M]

Didn't MLK go out of fashion when Malcolm X rocked up?

MLK was the voice of the children of former slaves. All he really wanted was for the Jim Crow bollocks to fuck off. Politeness and trying to work with the 'Massa's' was still the name of the game.

[phonics]

No he didn’t? Do you think the FBI killed him just because he wanted white people to be polite?

[Spikey M]

No he didn’t? Do you think the FBI killed him just because he wanted white people to be polite?

I meant he was determined to be polite. He wanted freedom to be negotiated. Where as Malcolm X (and those that followed) wanted freedom to be taken and fuck whitey.