News of the day

[phonics]

Englands running out of beer.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/26/beer-rationed-as-uks-food-grade-carbon-dioxide-runs-low

[Gray Fox]

If anyone cares about basketball, LeBron James is signing for the LA Lakers. $154m for 4 years of his time.

[mugbull]

This Thailand-boys-stuck-in-cave has been front page news for like 5 consecutive days. How, I don’t know.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's fairly mental. I can't see how they can possibly get them out.

[Boydy]

Can't they just dig a big fucking tunnel?

[Shindig]

Are any of them fans of Sting?

[John]

It's fairly mental. I can't see how they can possibly get them out.

The current plan seems to be either just keep them fed until the flooding goes away or send some instructors in and teach them how to dive. Both options seem quite mad.

[Spikey M]

Apparently they are draining the place, but considering it’s their wet season that’s a fucking long term game plan.

[Baz]

They’re no Chilean miners.

[-james-]

Surely nobody actually watches entire games of football later?

[Baz]

Surely nobody actually watches entire games of football later?I do with Liverpool, so long as I’ve avoided scores.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/7d3dd28b-a168-4889-8325-41d5a41a83bb

"The heatwave might be causing a crisp shortage"

RIP in pieces, Lou.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Let them eat chips.

[Yevrah]

The rainy season in Thailand lasts for at least another 4 months, so if the plan is to build a home for them in the cave until then it'll make the Chilean miners look like a group of people who lost their keys in comparison.

[Kikó]

I look forward to the Hollywood blockbuster.

[Spikey M]

Nicholas Cage as a 13 year old Thai boy. :drool:

[Shindig]

I look forward to the Hollywood blockbuster.

Pffft. Herzog documentary. :cool:

[Giggles]

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[Giggles]

:cool:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/watch-four-injury-claims-dismissed-as-cctv-of-collision-shown-in-court-37085784.html

[phonics]

Should that insurance company not be being raided by the police for widescale fraud?

https://i.imgur.com/9t7w5So.jpg

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44809213

Got to love the determination for a bargain.


Someone told us that people had been queuing there since 06:30 BST and one woman told us she had travelled for more than an hour to get there because it was her closest store.

A mother in Milton Keynes said she had taken her five-year-old daughter out of school to ensure they could get in the queue for a discounted bear.

"She's only five, they're not really doing much in school that's important at that age," she said.



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[SincereTheRebel]

When I read stories like that. It makes me more confident to never have a child.

[Spikey M]

I went to the one in Basildon with my little one. It was chaos, 2 and a half hour queue. Fucking mental that people are actually waiting in it. I’ll take her next week and pay the normal price.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

A modern day hero :cool:

[phonics]

What the fuck is a build a bear anyway? A google makes it look like a shittier beany baby.

[bruhnaldo]

It's a kid's store where you literally go in and build a teddy bear piece by piece.

They have like different bits and pieces you(r kid) throw(s) together, sometimes licensed by kid's shows or Disney movies, things of that nature.

It's precious too cause they have like a little plastic heart that you put into him/her at the end before it gets sewed up or what have you :wub:

[Jimmy Floyd]

My rare glimpses into contemporary kids' toys suggest that capitalism and/or social media have turned it into an extremely dangerous place. Just as well I'll never have any.

[Yevrah]

Are you barren?

[phonics]

Are you barren?

Bald in his 20s, so close enough.

[Lewis]

Oof. Mate.

[John]

Bit much coming from junkie Earthworm Jim.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:lol:

[phonics]

Bit much coming from junkie Earthworm Jim.

Earthworm Jim wishes he could have a mane as luscious and thick as mine. I would have gone for 'A shit version of Steve Buscemi' btw, it's both more original and more accurate. I used to take offense to the characterization but it's disturbingly bang on.

I mean look at it:
https://i.imgur.com/RidjYBI.png

I wonder whether I'm actually his bastard son sometimes. Like a crap Ronan Farrow.

[John]

Earthworm Jim remains original when I say it, it was my shout in the first place.

[Spikey M]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Steve_Buscemi_at_the_2009_Tribeca_Film_Festival.jp g

[Giggles]

Eyes like bubbles on a pisspot.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44829766


But she was criticised by those who said the role should have gone to a transgender actor.

Well, that film's never getting made. Or making money. Thanks, Twitter.

[SincereTheRebel]

Fucking hell. You cant even ’act’ anymore.

[phonics]

Find it... interesting that it's deemed Jared Leto can play a trans woman and get an Oscar nomination for it but Johannson can't play a trans-man. Almost like they're being judged on different scales.

[Spikey M]

There will have been plenary of pissing and moaning about that too (SJW’s wouldn’t let it slide), he just did it anyway.

[phonics]

As soon as you used the acronym/phrase SJW I completely ignored any point you were trying to make.

[Spikey M]

Fair fucks. Point stands anyway. ‘Activists’ (is that better?).

[Shindig]

Advocates. :dc:

I can't help but feel whenever a twitter storm like this happens, the people complaining take this to be a massive personal slight against them.

[Spikey M]

They’re just in need of a bereavement or something so they have something worth whinging about.

[Lewis]

If this film shows the character at any point as their original woman self, would the tranny actor not be able to film those bits? It reminds me of that Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/13/eddie-redmayne-golden-globe-stephen-hawking-disabled-actors-characters) piece about how Stephen Hawking should have been played by a disabled person ('cripping down', surely?).


On a practical level too, perhaps hiring a non-disabled actor is easier. The ability to walk allows Redmayne to portray Hawking before being diagnosed with motor neurone disease. But I can’t get away from the fact that, if these arguments were made for white actors “playing black”, our outrage would be so great that the scenes would be left on the cutting room floor.

How do you earn money writing when you're that thick?

[Pepe]

Matching your audience's stupidity.

[Spikey M]

To be fair, watching a disabled man being screamed at because ‘HE CAN SPEAK IN THIS PART!’ would be a bit lol.

[Shindig]

To be fair, you could probably lump anyone in the chair because the machine acts for them.

[bruhnaldo]

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/17/629396121/galileo-would-be-stunned-jupiter-now-has-79-moons

Jupiter Now Has 79 Moons

More than 400 years after Galileo Galilei discovered the first of Jupiter's moons, astronomers have found a dozen more — including one they've dubbed "oddball" — orbiting the planet. That brings the total number of Jovian moons to 79.

The team of astronomers originally wasn't even looking for the 12 new moons. Scott Sheppard of the Carnegie Institution for Science says he and his colleagues had been trying to track down a giant planet they think may be lurking at the outer reaches of our solar system.

As part of that search, Sheppard was using the 4-meter Víctor Blanco Telescope in Chile in March of last year and realized that Jupiter was right near the part of the sky he wanted to search.

"So we could also search for Jupiter moons while looking for things that are well beyond Pluto," Sheppard says.

One thing that helped was the especially large camera attached to the Blanco telescope. "[That camera] allows us to search the whole area around Jupiter in a very few images," he says.

[bruhnaldo]

TWELVE?! TWELVE!?!?! I could understand maybe you missed one here or there... maybe that one looked kinda like another one so you thought it was the same... but you found 12?!!?!

[Shindig]

I'm gonna guess they have to check to see if the objects they're looking at are in actual orbit or just comets or debris. That probably takes a bit of time to fathom.

[mugbull]

TWELVE?! TWELVE!?!?! I could understand maybe you missed one here or there... maybe that one looked kinda like another one so you thought it was the same... but you found 12?!!?!

I don’t think they keep track of moons based on how they look

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44848750

Nearly £450,000 of taxpayers' money has been spent trying to find a sponsor for West Ham's London Stadium home but a backer is still being sought.

Fucking hell.

Although I'm sure the offers will come flooding in now that Jack Wilshere has signed.

[phonics]

Do you think West Ham FC factored in them being blamed for everything the local dogshit London council does for the next 60 years.

[Baz]

Get TTH on the shirt.

Fund it randomlegend / Mert

[Spikey M]

Mate, If that brings Mert back I will kill a man.

[Giggles]

That was my first thought too. Why Baz, why?

[Baz]

If that works... oi Don Luca

[Giggles]

Luca...

:face:

[bruhnaldo]

I don’t think they keep track of moons based on how they look

I don't think you're capable of making a good post.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR2-KXOAHeA

Nice of Cliff's younger fans to show up.

[Spikey M]

I don't think you're capable of making a good post.

I think his post is alluding to the fact that a fuck off chunk of rock near a planet =/= a moon. It comes down to it’s orbit, and that isn’t exactly easy to work out at distances like this, especially when said orbit could be asymmetrical.

[bruhnaldo]

Christ.

[mugbull]

Yup.

[bruhnaldo]

Clearly.

[mikem]

https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/790288002?__twitter_impression=true

And Sasha Baron Cohen was not even conducting the interview. I love just how natter of fact this is. “You mean this has not happened to you?”

[Giggles]

Free money is back.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-awarded-256k-after-suffering-ptsd-after-being-knocked-down-by-car-37128548.html

[randomlegend]

I was on her side til I saw:


as she had crossed the junction when the pedestrian light showed red.

:cab:

Should have awarded her the money, then set her 'contributory negligence' at 100% and not given her any of it.

[Giggles]

I was on her side til I saw:



:cab:

Should have awarded her the money, then set her 'contributory negligence' at 100% and not given her any of it.

And they wonder why insurance companies pay out big claims uncontested here all the time. If that's the alternative then they'll only do it more.

[John]

Someone I know opened a parcel this morning which turned out to be a suspected bomb. The street was evacuated for three hours and a controlled explosion was carried out.

It's one street away from where that woman was found dismembered and stuffed into holdalls because an old woman spotted a fox in her garden eating a human hand. That was in April.

[randomlegend]

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/education/university-of-east-anglia-graduations-norwich-2018-carrow-road-end-1-5615296

So turns out I'm a celebrity.

[Shindig]

Nah, mate. People graduate every year.

[randomlegend]

Yeah but they don't all get onto such a prestigious news outlet now do they?

If you look at the left side on the hat-throwing video you'll see mine go absolutely flying out of screen. Launched it about 3 times as high as everyone else, like a fucking dickhead.

[Spikey M]

Did you graduate? Should have made a thread about it, then made reference to it in every thread thereafter.

[Baz]

:stamford:

[Giggles]

Did you graduate? Should have made a thread about it, then made reference to it in every thread thereafter.

He graduated?

[Kikó]

Engineer iirc.

[Yevrah]

Who the fuck acid attacks a three year old?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-44916419

[niko_cee]

Some serious woofterage in one of those CCTV images.

[Spikey M]

I said before that Acid Attacks are worse than murder in terms of intent and I stand by that, but this takes it to a whole new level. I can only imagine there is some history with the parents, but this is probably the worst thing you can actually do regardless. Worse than fucking noncing.

[Lewis]

Second only to spitting.

[Spikey M]

It’s basically spitting on steroids. No, it’s spitting with HIV.

[Spikey M]

It’s Mahow spitting at you. That’s it.

[Yevrah]

I said before that Acid Attacks are worse than murder in terms of intent and I stand by that, but this takes it to a whole new level. I can only imagine there is some history with the parents, but this is probably the worst thing you can actually do regardless. Worse than fucking noncing.

One shouldn't really bring emotion into these things, but on this occasion fuck that. Whoever did it, whatever their motive, shouldn't be allowed to see the light of day again.

[Giggles]

If they're launching here too then they'll really need to change that name.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/tesco-jacks-discounter-aldi-lidl-supermarkets-david-lewis-retail-grocers-sainsburys-netto-a8459711.html

[niko_cee]

One shouldn't really bring emotion into these things, but on this occasion fuck that. Whoever did it, whatever their motive, shouldn't be allowed to see the light of day again.

Turns out it was the dad.

[Giggles]

Don't know where else to put this, but anyway. I think someone needs to look up the definition of the word 'hover'. Surely this falls under some false advertising standards?

https://www.aldi.ie/zinc-smart-x-hover-board/p/084011231100400

[SvN]

That's what they're called. Sometimes product names aren't literal.

[Giggles]

That's what they're called. Sometimes product names aren't literal.

'Hover' is a fairly clear assumption.

[Lewis]

You should file the complaint.

[Giggles]

Ah, that's for others.

[Gray Fox]

When I think of Hover Board:

https://i.gyazo.com/e6a0c334e2504c02fc134479928e2f5d.png

[Lewis]

If something hovers then it doesn't move in any other direction, so Giggles could file against them as well.

[Spikey M]

He could fuck the whole Hovercraft industry up the arse.

[Giggles]

I think I just won't buy one. But I feel it's been worth the ten or so posts we gained from it.

[phonics]

It’s basically spitting on steroids. No, it’s spitting with HIV.

I know it wasn't particularly serious but small correction, HIV can't be contracted from saliva. And if the bloke was taking his pills could give you a hardcore bumming every day for the next 470 years and not pass it on.

[randomlegend]

And if the bloke was taking his pills could give you a hardcore bumming every day for the next 470 years and not pass it on.

Well the viral load has to be undetectable rather than them just be taking their HAART, but yeah.

[phonics]

Well the viral load has to be undetectable rather than them just be taking their HAART, but yeah.

Gets his degree a month ago and already he's dropping the 'Did you know I've been to medical school?' posts. No wonder everyone thinks their GP is a cunt.

[randomlegend]

Don't be wrong and I won't have to correct you.

[phonics]

I'm starting to think Jeremy Hunt was right about you lot.

[Spikey M]

Now this AIDS must be catching.

[Yevrah]

The MP group stuff on vaping is classic filling the time somehow stuff.

While it should be used as a way to stop people smoking, the idea that it should be acceptable in the workplace or on buses is cuckoo enough, but when you get to allowing the companies that make them to advertise, fuck me.

[Lewis]

I haven't ever smoked or 'vaped', but it seems to have done more to get people off smoking in its five minute-long existence than thirty years of anti-tobacco Nazism has, so the more adverts and spaces for it the better.

[Giggles]

It's complete militance against it here, treated exactly the same as smoking. Mainly because they're afraid of their shite people might give up smoking.

[Lewis]

It's going to put all of the public health 'smoke free generation' dickheads out of a job, so they want it lumped in with smoking.

[John]

They should bin the advertising and just change the name of it. No one who isn't a complete bellend wants to participate in 'vaping'.

[Shindig]

I believe they prefer to be called Vapists.

[Yevrah]

so the more adverts and spaces for it the better.

Well not really, because if you allow them to advertise then they won't just stop at the benefits vs. smoking.

[Baz]

St Helens rugby stadium is called Totally Wicked stadium, sponsored by the e-cig company. It’s ridiculous, really.

[Lewis]

If they're not dangerous - which is why tobacco advertising gets suppressed - then so what? They won't be able to make things up, just as Guinness no longer claims to be good for you, so they will just have to advertise like everybody else and make [provable] anti-smoking claims and try to make them a lifestyle accessory. What's wrong with that this side of the Iron Curtain?

[Yevrah]

They've got fucking nicotine in them, of course they're dangerous. Just (probably) a lot less than actual smoking.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I always had it that nicotine was addictive but not dangerous, hence people wearing those patches and so on. It's the tar wot kills you.

[Disco]

And the sensible companies will market their zero nicotine liquids to ex-smokers as the end goal.

[Shindig]

Toke Zero.

[Spikey M]

Nicotine is about as dangerous as caffeine. You don’t want to mess with it if you have a heart problem, but otherwise it’s fine.

[randomlegend]

There are concerns (and starting to be some evidence) that huffing a load of vapour into your lungs thousands and thousands of times isn't very good for them.

Also, nicotine isn't necessarily harmless to the lung tissue locally even if the systemic effects are relatively minor.

[Shindig]

Popcorn lung's already been linked to it.

[Spikey M]

The worst people (and I mean the worst people) in the world are the people that have taken up Vaping despite not previously being smokers.

[Yevrah]

And that’s my point, by advertising it’s only going to encourage more twats like that.

Leave it for the smokers who want to quit to use it as it is. It’s impossible not to know about it, so no need to push it and end up with egg on your face in 20 years time when it’s realised that it actually gives you lung aids.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-45225045

How is this news to anyone?

[Yevrah]

Even if she didn’t driving back over a non dropped curb every day? Fuck that.

[Trancemeister]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/724127/French-footballer-Shiva-NZigou-Nantes-Reims-France-football-incest-sister-sex-mum

[Jimmy Floyd]

I know it's Liverpool and everyone there is a drooling moron, but how do you end up having a driveway in the first place without a dropped kerb?

[Boom-Boom-18]

I always find these sort of interviews fascinating to watch (an interview with someone who later turns out to be the perpetrator)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmdt3SZpbSc&t=382s

(he murdered his pregnant wife and two young daughters)

[Bam]

How comes we have two Boom-Booms

[Raoul Duke]

One for each pair of jeans

[SincereTheRebel]

Bolt is serious about making it professionally.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6081551/Usain-Bolt-vows-silence-critics-training-session-Central-Coast-Mariners.html

[-james-]

Going by his showing in that charity match that was on telly recently, he's wasting his and the club's time. He'd get laughed out of sunday league. Just has completely the wrong physique.

[SincereTheRebel]

I thought he was alright in those charity matches. However, those games are like playing in the park with your out of shape friends so it isn't a good indication to judge him. He trained with Arsenal, Dortmund and a few other teams and nobody signed him. Dropped down a few levels until he fights a team mad enough to give him a deal.

[randomlegend]

Considering most actual professional footballers' powers are starting to wain at 32, I find it amazing someone thinks they are going to be able to successfully start a career at that age.

[SvN]

If he was truly serious about it, he would've given it a go years ago rather than it being an afterthought to his athletics career.

[SincereTheRebel]

Considering most actual professional footballers' powers are starting to wain at 32, I find it amazing someone thinks they are going to be able to successfully start a career at that age.

Starting at 32 in Australia (if they sign him) sounds like a success for me.

[mugbull]

No chance this happens. People always forget just how good “good players” are. Being rapid is useless if you’re completely unable to use the ball when you get it and when you don’t know where on the pitch to stand

[Yevrah]

If he was truly serious about it, he would've given it a go years ago rather than it being an afterthought to his athletics career.

Well hardly, as good as he might have been at football it would have been an absolute waste if he'd chosen that ahead of sprinting.

The best thing that could come out of this would be a special card in FIFA19.

[Spikey M]

Someone will probably sign him for shirt sales, like that One Direction Mug, but that’s about it. Any team playing against him would just drop deep and completely nullify his one skill.

[-james-]

No chance this happens. People always forget just how good “good players” are. Being rapid is useless if you’re completely unable to use the ball when you get it and when you don’t know where on the pitch to stand

His ball control is terrible, but the primary issue is that a lifetime of training so that he can run fast in one direction means he completely lacks the type of agility you need to be decent at football.

[SincereTheRebel]

the only place for him is central defence.

[Lewis]

He's obviously going to be absolutely shit, but it can't be that surprising that the actual fastest man of all time is deluded enough to think he won't be.

[niko_cee]

He should just take up a sport where running really fast is useful, other than, like, running, but I'd guess his lack of technical and tactical ability would hold him back in most other sports more than in football (say as a wide receiver in NFL).

[John]

He'd be better off going into Helmetball. A hurdler won the Superbowl in the eighties, I'm sure Bolt could learn how to catch a ball.

[Giggles]

Any mong can catch a ball, there's far more to paying receiver in the NFL than that. He doesn't look to have the physique for it anyway.

[Pepe]

He should just go into porn.

[John]

Any mong can catch a ball, there's far more to paying receiver in the NFL than that. He doesn't look to have the physique for it anyway.

If you're twice as fast as anyone else on the pitch you should be able to find enough space that ability to run a route or hold on to the ball under contact doesn't much matter. It's certainly more feasible than becoming a footballer.

[John]

He should just go into porn.

One of the few jobs where being the fastest man alive isn't a selling point.

[SincereTheRebel]

Speaking of porn. Why are all these ’celebrity female’ porn scenes always awful? Their performances are so bad. It ruins the mystique that surrounds them. If Rihanna or Nicki came out with a sex scene and it was bad, I will show tears.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

One of the few jobs where being the fastest man alive isn't a selling point.

He wouldn't be able to make cuts when running routes.

A kick return specialist (if he could catch a punted/kicked ball) would be better.

[Giggles]

He wouldn't be able to make cuts when running routes.

A kick return specialist (if he could catch a punted/kicked ball) would be better.

In porn?

[Pepe]

Monghow. :harold:

[Lewis]

He might not be now, but at the time of him attempting it Jarryd Hayne was the best athlete in rugby (both codes), and he didn't really get very far, so you would expect a sprinter to get broken in half with his first kick return.

[Foe]

The problem in the NFL is that there are already loads of guys there who aren't far off Olympic speed anyway. So although he's fast, he's not that fast.

"Go long" only gets you so far. Particularly when you probably can't catch the thing. That British sprinter tried to make a go of it and he failed miserably.

[Kikó]

the only place for him is central defence.

*calls Ed Woodward*

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-45264871

Tramp look is great.

[SvN]

Fairly certain I could nail that if I was hungover.

[niko_cee]

I completely misinterpreted the term 'nail' for a while there.

[mikem]

Bolt’s problem in the NFL would be that most non-broken plays are all timed precise patterned routes. Typical offenses have a minimum of 100 plays he’d have to memorize. Nobody picks up organized sports like that. Doesn’t matter which one.

[Ian]

A £4500 dog??

[Yevrah]

Surely whether he’ll be any good or not will be dictated by whether he’s any good at football or not and I’ve no idea on that. Is he?

[niko_cee]

Not above a non-league level.

[Lewis]

Surely if you've spent that much on a dog you would want to spoil it a bit. Knobhead.

[John]

Will have been a French bulldog. The breakfast likely outweighed it by a factor of three.

[niko_cee]

Just to check, this David Challenor who appears to have been convicted for some serious noncing isn't our David Challenor, is it?

[Disco]

Didn't ours spell it with an 'i'?

[Spikey M]

Probably just to throw us off.

[Raoul Duke]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45335850

Definite ghost/murder victim/pisshead

[Boydy]

Some poor fucker who's been locked up in a Fritzl style basement and managed to escape, I bet.

[Bob Sacamano]

Alex Jones response to the tranny porn is laughable.

https://youtu.be/bX-zGk8biek

[Alex]

Some poor fucker who's been locked up in a Fritzl style basement and managed to escape, I bet.

That was my first thought too. :D

Presumably back down there now though, given they can't seem to track her down. :|

[Giggles]

That was my first thought too. :D

Presumably back down there now though, given they can't seem to track her down. :|

Or someone else took their opportunity quick.

[John]

Turns out she was sort of Fritzled. An abusive boyfriend who's apparently been found dead, having presumably shot himself when he realised she'd got away and the game was up.

[Lewis]

Speaking of which, this cunt in Solihull who stabbed his ex and her mother to death in the street has annoyed me more than the daily diet of miserable news shite usually does. I would be against its re-introduction on practical rather than principled grounds, but would anybody honestly care if we hanged the likes of him?

[Shindig]

We could probably get away with televised hangings, these days. Get Davina McCall or that bloke from Crimewatch to host. Complete with a 30 minute aftershow with whatever bottom-feeder panelists are available.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I would lock them in a lead coffin (with air holes and possibly crisps) and drop it into the sea. Haven't technically killed them, but the issue caused by their presence is over.

[niko_cee]

For liability purposes, it is the ocean that will kill you, not us.

[Yevrah]

Sorry to spoil the fun on this one, but you lock him up for a very long time and only let him when you're convinced he's no longer a danger.

We can't be killing people, we just can't.

[Shindig]

Well, it's a good job the hypothetical judicial powers of this online forum haven't ran amok. Phew.

[Lewis]

Sorry to spoil the fun on this one, but you lock him up for a very long time and only let him when you're convinced he's no longer a danger.

We can't be killing people, we just can't.

It's all well and good rehabilitating people, but would you not say that some people just want locking up forever as a straight-forward punishment, and that whether or not they change doesn't come into it?

[randomlegend]

What's the point? Nobody benefits other than from a revenge point of view.

[Lewis]

In which case why even pass sentence? If he recognises the error of his ways in three weeks let him out. He doesn't pose any danger to society.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Some people cannot be rehabilitated.

[randomlegend]

Well it is supposed to have a deterrent effect too. The difference in the deterrent effect of a 3 week sentence Vs a 20 year sentence I would imagine is substantial, whilst the difference between a 20 year sentence and LIFE MEANS LIFE is probably non-existent. Obviously I'm no expert in the field so I might be wrong.

[randomlegend]

Some people cannot be rehabilitated.

Probably true, but those are the sort of people who continue to commit crimes in prison and never get out anyway right?

Also I'd suggest it's not purely about rehabilitation, it's also about whether they are actually a danger. There's no point in my eyes in keeping some crippled 90 year old in prison at great expense to society just so you can revel in the fact they are being punished.

[Yevrah]

It's all well and good rehabilitating people, but would you not say that some people just want locking up forever as a straight-forward punishment, and that whether or not they change doesn't come into it?

I would have thought I'd say yes to that, but having thought about it I'm not sure.

I think people should be kept inside forever if the assessment is that they still pose a threat if they were released, but beyond that I don't really see the point in giving people actual life sentences.

[Lewis]

Because if we can't bring ourselves to do people in then it's the next best thing.

[phonics]

If it was 100% like multiple eye witnesses solid then I'd be fine with life in solitary with the possibility of a mental hospice when it shoves them off the edge. I feel living with the repercussions of your actions is the superior choice both morally in the sense of the people and in the sense of punishment.

I'm not talking about gang stuff in that as there's an ultimate point to that pointless bit of violence. More the psycho shit.

[SvN]

I can't be in favour of the death penalty while the justice system still regularly convicts innocent people.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We just need to Minority Report it up.

[Pepe]

In which case why even pass sentence? If he recognises the error of his ways in three weeks let him out. He doesn't pose any danger to society.

+1

[Pepe]

On the topic of judicial systems:

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/legal_systems_very_different_12/LegalSystemsDraft.html

[mugbull]

I agree with the deterrent point, capital punishment in its current form is hardly a deterrent. That’s why you should make the execution as prolonged and torturous as possible. Do the thing the Assyrians did where you make lots of cuts into the guy, cover him in honey, tie him to a boat and push him into a stagnant lake, and watch as maggots begin to infest his living body until he dies of dehydration. That would probably put a lot of people off in a way that the lethal injection wouldn’t. There are people in some countries who *choose* to die via lethal injection when they get too old.

[mugbull]

I’m being dead serious, too.

[Queenslander]

Who hurt you?

[mugbull]

No one, it just seems reasonable

[Shindig]

You could argue no punishment fits the crime because the damage caused by the crime has already happened. And you get weird situations where the state was trying it's damnedest to keep Ian Brady alive, against his wishes.

[Yevrah]

That vicar touching up Ariana Grande is staggering. They just can’t help themselves, can they?

[Spikey M]

Someone thought it was a good idea to make a load of blokes abstain from sex, for life, then leave them alone around children. You’ve literally got a nonce starter pack there.

[Lewis]

That whole do was weird. Bill Clinton, that Nation of Islam bloke who if he wasn't black would be utterly shunned... I suppose any televised memorial service (for a fucking singer) serves a 'purpose', but what is the connection there?

[Ian]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45377707

Love a ghost ship.

[Boydy]

Someone thought it was a good idea to make a load of blokes abstain from sex, for life, then leave them alone around children. You’ve literally got a nonce starter pack there.

He's not Catholic.

[Spikey M]

He's not Catholic.

He’s just a standard perv then. Good bloke.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45398254

:lol:

[SincereTheRebel]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45398254

:lol:

That is funny. Lol if you fell for it.

[SincereTheRebel]

On a similar lol factor.

Tortilla wraps :D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6123713/Blogger-reveals-shes-received-DEATH-THREATS-photo.html

[phonics]

Fucking idiots setting their Nikes that they've already bought on fire because Kapernick has been made the face of their campaign is good.

This guy never ruining his socks is the best example so far.

1036751396002050050

[Lewis]

The only thing worse than corporations being political is people praising them for it.

[mugbull]

Corporations are the essence of political, except it's usually never public-facing. This at least is.

[Lewis]

You know what I mean, you dweeb. The all time classic of the genre was this:

http://i63.tinypic.com/2qnrsdg.jpg

Oh really lads?

[niko_cee]

Some people are awesome. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-45414022)

[mugbull]

I know what you mean but it's a stupid opinion

[Lewis]

If you knew what I meant then your original reply was pointless.

[mugbull]

Life’s pointless

[mikem]

What genius in this administration thought giving Bob Woodward a press pass was going to go well for them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodwards-new-book-reveals-a-nervous-breakdown-of-trumps-presidency/2018/09/04/b27a389e-ac60-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html?utm_term=.686a979c688d

[mikem]

There is nothing about Trump or this administration that is not simply rotten and inexcusable but this sort of thing is just infuriating if true. If not true they are just gonna milk this for days at a time when his approval has dropped below 40 and the generic ballot has creeped back up to 10. What is wrong with the NYT?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html

If he is pressing policies you think are this bad, quit in protest and say why like during Nixon, or Jackson, or Garfield. If the policies are so horrible that the public will revolt, then let him do one or two and the backlash will be bad enough that congressional Republicans will be forced to act to save their own jobs. If not, then it really isn’t all that bad and you are wrong. This is just a shitty low rent coup.

[Pepe]

"The Resistance" :sick:

[Lewis]

For better or worse, that is normal senior civil servant behaviour in most countries.

[mikem]

Oh, it is largely true for any bureaucratic organization public or private but it is all so stupid. People massage their bosses when they are dumb but stop pretending you are all holding the line against chaos. You only solve political problems with politics.

[phonics]

For better or worse, that is normal senior civil servant behaviour in most countries.

A 'senior staffer,' in the terms the NYT uses, wouldn't be a civil servant. They're all cycled out from admin to admin. This is someone who works for him.

[Lewis]

They're not necessarily party hacks or committed Trump supporters though. Weren't they having trouble filling positions at one point? If anything they are probably just 'moderate' conservatives known to be vaguely competent and not overtly anti-Donald, so they might as well be civil servants.

[mikem]

This reads like a member of the administration who is almost certainly appointed. It is hard to imagine some long time DOD, EPA, or Justice bureaucrat writing that section about the administration’s wins on trade.

They were having problems filling the admin with anyone but the lowest level of party hacks.

[Lewis]

Whatever then. It's probably Mike Pence.

[mikem]

It is going to be Ben Carson simply because that will annoy me more.

[phonics]

Or it's a loyalist and the NYT have walked straight into, 'we're the deep state and we hate trump' shit.

[mikem]

I’m sure Lewis is right and it is some second tier appointment. It isn’t someone with political ambition but we are different from the UK in that once you get appointed your civil service career is over with the admin.

[Lewis]

He's just tweeted 'TREASON?', and yet there are still people out there not finding this hilarious.

[mikem]

It doesn’t get funny until we learn it was John Bolton #resistancehero.

[Magic]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/fife-woman-59-accused-ibiza-13199167

Dickinson said: “It happened right out of the blue. I couldn’t believe how fast it happened. I just remember him pushing his thing into my mouth.
"I went into a state of total shock. I managed to push him back and I was saying, ‘No, stop it.’ I ran out on to the balcony and he came charging after me.”
Dickinson said intercourse did not take place.
“I managed to get away from him,” she went on. “I’ll never forget the fixated look on his face. I was terrified. He was obsessed with having sex with me.”

Lying fucking bitch.

[SincereTheRebel]

When she was told that forced oral sex would be classed as rape, Dickinson said: “Yes then. It was rape.”

Yousaf said to Dickinson: “I have to suggest to you that you are a sexual predator. You plied this boy with drink and had your way with him. Then you cried rape, which is a despicable accusation. You’ve told us nothing but lies.”

“No, I’ve told the truth,” replied Dickinson.

[Magic]

Cleared by the jury.

[SincereTheRebel]

The 14 year old boy will get brought up on rape charges now?

[Spikey M]

The 14 year old boy will get brought up on rape charges now?

Depends. Not guilty doesn’t necessarily mean innocent, it can just mean they weren’t convinced enough of her guilt.

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45449518

Everything about that is :cab:, but four years?

[John]

Lost it at 'used his best handwriting' as a mitigating factor. :lol:

[phonics]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45449518

Everything about that is :cab:, but four years?

The court heard the boy, who has ADHD and low intelligence, had previous convictions for possessing weapons and kicking and punching a teacher at his school.


At the time of the killing, he had been on bail and was in breach of a curfew.


Mitigating, Philippa McAtasney, QC, said the teenager was "not beyond hope and help" and had used his "best handwriting" to express his remorse in a letter to the judge.

I'm signing up for a calligraphy class.

[Lewis]

She probably stayed up for a month coming up with that as an angle.

[Shindig]

Well, at least I won't have to ring the cunt for his claim.

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45450558

And again.

[Shindig]

Thing is, if she confronted him, he could've told her to check the number on the door.

[Giggles]

As per what seems to be in their training, she seen a brown man so pulled the trigger instantly.

[phonics]

Thing is, if she confronted him, he could've told her to check the number on the door.

Yes I can definitely see how someone in their own home getting shot by a drunk cop is the victims fault for not being clear enough in what I'm sure was a very rational conversation between two sides.

[Pepe]

"We still have a lot to do in this investigation,"


We need some time to come up with some BS story of how she 'feared for her life.'

[Shindig]

Tough divorce, depression, alcoholism, he started it ... take your pick.

[Disco]

Yes I can definitely see how someone in their own home getting shot by a drunk cop is the victims fault for not being clear enough in what I'm sure was a very rational conversation between two sides.

I'm not sure that's how that post was meant.

[niko_cee]

I saw a bit of that One Weekend In America gun thing on the BBC the other night. It's sobering just how mundane most gun deaths are.

[Spikey M]

It’s third world shit, it really is.

I saw something else the other day where a woman with diabetes had to wait 3 days to afford her Insulin and light heartedly joked about her surprise at still being alive. What a country.

[Baz]

Today I learned that Neil Buchanan was also a rockstar (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marseille_(band)).

[Waffdon]

There’s a mad Arsonist running about Dundee. Three major fires in three days now. High school yesterday, Indoor Market/Gym today and an abandoned hospital the other day. Dens Park tomorrow hopefully.

[Spikey M]

If it does we’ll have the Popo browsing this place in no time. Might get some new members whilst you’re doing time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There was a massive Dundee feature on channel 4 news because of that ridiculous museum that's opened on the front. Like a proper Blair era throwback in terms of ludicrously located white elephants.

[Waffdon]

The whole waterfront is mental these days. Good luck finding a pub in the town centre not charging Edinburgh prices from now on.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-45512812


Family racks up £21k medical bill on 'holiday from hell'



The family racked up a £21,000 medical bill, which insurers have refunded.


What an absolute non-story.

[John]

Big fan of the grandad in that story. The heart attack obviously isn't great, but he's travelled because his son needed a life saving operation and he's still managed to fit in some snorkeling.