The NFL Thread

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Oh and Arrington has taken a paycut to remain at the Ravens.

The exact terms of the pay cut and amount of cap room it created were not announced. Arrington was reportedly due a $2.1 million base salary this year, with a $2.77 million cap hit.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The Bears have re-signed Tracy Porter, I thought he retired long ago and I'm stunned to find that he's still in the league and only 29. The guy is a year older than me and yet the Saints Superbowl win seems so fucking long ago.

Jaguars have signed Tashaun Gipson for decent money and not a mountain but speaking of a mountain of cash, the Saints have paid Coby Fleener who has hands of stone $36m over 5 years.

[Ian]

Trevathan gone now. I wonder if they think there's somebody ready to step up in that position or if that's another one on the shopping list.

[The Bruce]

:|

Reece is surely for the bullet if this falls on it's arse.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Blah the Steelers got a bargain in Ladarius Green for only $20m over 5 years.

We could have gotten him instead of Watson :(

[Gray Fox]

Given we had the move up to #8 this year, I would've thought it better to maybe bring in a QB round 1 and have a shoot out between him and Big Bad Sam Brad for the number 1 spot. But then I realized, moving to 8 doesn't actually let us do that as QBs are probably going @ 2 and 7 anyway.
Now I'm pretty sure we'll either be taking a DE or a CB, maybe Ronnie Stanley at OT if what we want isn't there. I'm not 100% sure which way I'd like to see us go yet. But I'm relatively happy with out dealings so far, even if our 2 QBs were a little pricey.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jimmy Smith has now restructured his contract too, giving us an extra $4.5m.

Around $15m or so free now :drool:

Apparently we're interested in Mike Wallace (:sick:) but only if the price is right so hopefully his agent asks for too much.

[Gray Fox]

C.J Anderson is looking at a Dolphins move, while Vernon Davis is possibly going to the Redskins.

Few deals that have happened:

Sean Smith to a 4 year deal with the Raiders. $40m/$20 guaranteed.
Rishard Matthews to the Titans.
Brady extends for 2 years. $41m overall, with a $28m signing bonus and base salary of $1m per year.
Forte gets 3 year deal with the Jets. $8m guaranteed, possible $14m for grabs.
Jeremy Lane signs with Seahawks. $23m/$11m guaranteed.
Vincent Rey to sign with the Bengals.

Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Jets have opened up more talks, but he's apparently wanting way more than will offer right now. Perhaps the next bit is having something to do with that.
Lastly, talks are hotting up for Kaepernick. Teams interested are the Browns, Jets and Broncos. 49ers want a 2nd round pick this year. This would mean they'd prefer to go with the 2 formers as Broncos are back of the line.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If a team gives the Niners a second round pick for Kaepernick then the league has gone full retard.

I'd much rather draft someone with a second rounder (I wouldn't care who it is) and risk someone new under centre than Colin fucking Kaepernick.

[Browning]

Davis to the redskins makes very little sense as Jordan Reed is the best TE in the league not named Gronk. He will never play.

[Gray Fox]

I'd expect the Browns or the Broncos might give up their 2nd round pick. I doubt the Jets would. Browns could get Kaep and a quality OT out of it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The Browns could but I wouldn't if I was them.

Going from Manziel and all his problems to the inaccurate diva?

ImpeccableImpeccableAnnashummingbird

That is a QB no one needs.

[Gray Fox]

I've never seen that before. I knew he was a bit average but lol at that.

I think they'll end up taking Goff or Wentz at the draft personally. Either way the Broncos are now in a bit of a hole.

Eagles sign LB Nigel Bradham.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It was one of the last things he ever did at the Niners.

Near enough any other QB in the league sees it, slips it to Torrey Smith and it's a 99 yard TD.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Falcons have signed Ben Jones who is known for his appearances on Hard Knocks last year:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnrVLoNJ4i0

What did the quaterback say?
He was a freshman...

[Gray Fox]

Falcons sign Mohamed Sanu. 5 years $33m, $14m guaranteed.

[Ian]

Andy Benoit did a good bit about Kaepernick (and Griffin) on MMQB:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/02/colin-kaepernick-robert-griffin-rg3-trade-future

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's a brilliant article.

I need to read more from MMQB.

[Giggles]

That's a brilliant article.

I need to read more from MMQB.

If you avoid King the rest of it is about the best NFL site on the internet.

[Gray Fox]

Will give that a read, after the Liverpool game.

[Ian]

I don't mind King but he's a proper bore on some subjects and he's full of his own importance. I read the MMQB article of a Monday very selectively. Benoit is good.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

So with Ben Watson, Crocket Gillmore (who had surgeries but should be back for week 1), Maxx Williams, Dennis Pitta (if he still lives), Nick Boyle (idiot who is suspended for 6 games), Chase Ford (who we gave a tender offer) plus two other bodies all at tight end we've also decided to tell one of our WR's to make the move to TE.

He's a giant (6 foot 6 and 250 pounds) and is probably better suited to TE but it's starting to feel a little too much, well unless the league allows us to roll with a 4 TE set.

[Gray Fox]

C.J Anderson has been given a 4 year offer of $18m by Miami. Broncos have 5 days to match this or lose him.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

C.J Anderson has been given a 4 year offer of $18m by Miami. Broncos have 5 days to match this or lose him.

For nothing too.

I really don't know why they didn't at least give him a fourth round tender, they probably could have gotten away with giving him a third round tender and still have teams sniffing around him.

[Browning]

I don't understand all these tenders... if a players contract is up, surely you're entitled to fuck all.

What would happen if you put a 3rd round tender on a guy (for example) and then no one signed him, but you still didn't sign him.... is there a period where he can then fuck off for free?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I don't understand all these tenders... if a players contract is up, surely you're entitled to fuck all.

What would happen if you put a 3rd round tender on a guy (for example) and then no one signed him, but you still didn't sign him.... is there a period where he can then fuck off for free?

When you put a tender on someone you give them the minimum that the league have stipulated the tender is worth, this season a second round tender is worth $2.5m for a year. If no team makes an offer on the player he signs that minimum contract, if another team makes an offer the player's current club can either match it or choose to let him go and they get the pick that the tender was worth.

A transition tag (which is what Olivier Vernon had) is a bit different. The team has the chance to match the contract but gets nothing if they let him go, the Dolphins took it off him as they realised they wouldn't be able to match an offer so they could get a compensatory pick for him.

[Browning]

What if they don't want to play for $2.5m? Do the players get a say in it? If not it seems a bit unfair. Couldn't a team just do that year on year, or is there a limit on it?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They don't have a say in it and there's a limit to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_free_agent

[Foe]

7/11 is close to get his (relative) pay day.

Great underdog story, he was paid just shy of $500k last year.

[The Bruce]

Manziel :wave:

[Foe]

Some other chump will give him a shot. At least tebow could run.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jerry will.

I wonder when teams will realise that mobile QBs that can't pass just don't work in the NFL.

[Gray Fox]

Denver have gone from Peyton Manning to Mark Sanchez in the space of a week. Got to love the NFL.

[Foe]

Denver have gone from Peyton Manning to Mark Sanchez in the space of a week. Got to love the NFL.

TBH that's a very low risk move. He could play and gives you as good a chance as winning as Peyton did last year with his interceptions. It's not a long term answer, but it's pretty shrewd.

With the defence they have (even if it's only 70-80% as good next year) they don't need an elite QB to compete.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'd rather Mark Sanchez under centre than Colin Kaepernick tbf.

Conditional 7th round pick too.

I'd imagine that they'll go for Fitzpatrick if the Jets don't re-sign him and hope to draft someone who will learn from Mark Sanchez's mistakes.

[Gray Fox]

Maybe I'm just biased from all the interceptions I've seen him throw for us.

I'd be going for Fitzpatrick personally, but he appears to want to be paid. At least more than the Jets are willing to in any case.

[Gray Fox]

I'd be interested to see what happens should Kaep not leave the 49ers.

The Broncos only option would be to take RG3/Fitz. Jets are talking to both right now. Unless they get desperate enough to consider Manziel.

[Foe]

Apparently rg3 is heading to New York to met the jets.

Potentially just a scare tactic for Fitzpatrick.

[Browning]

NFL.com running with the headline "Manziel era over in Cleveland".... fuck right off.

[Gray Fox]

Maybe they mean his partying in the clubs of Cleveland, because he did fuck all on the field.

[Ian]

I suspect there's still work being done but I'll chuck the Sanchize a :cool: if only for not being Kaepernick.

[Gray Fox]

Steelers are set to be without Martavis Bryant for the whole of next season.

He's looking at a full season suspension for failing the substance and abuse programme. Must have failed a test at the end of the season.

EDIT: Link

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000643984/article/steelers-martavis-bryant-facing-yearlong-suspension

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:harold:

Considering our secondary, no matter how shit, always locks down Antonio Brown that's two guaranteed wins already for us.

Superbowl bound.

[Gray Fox]

I had my eyes on him being my 3rd or 4th choice WR in next years fantasy leagues.

Still what a tit. Shame they still have so many weapons on the team.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The Bears have done the best piece of business thus far by signing Jerrell Freeman on a 3 year contract for $12m with only $6m guaranteed.

He's 30 but he's one of the best coverage inside linebackers in the game and he improved so much against the run last year.

[Giggles]

Casey Hayward has signed for the Chargers. Blow to lose him.

[Browning]

The Dolphins have offered to make CJ Anderson the 3rd highest paid RB in the league....

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000644218/article/eric-weddle-to-sign-fouryear-26m-deal-with-ravens

We've signed Eric Weddle :drool:

I was hoping we'd pick him up after the Chargers decided they no longer wanted him.

Four years, $26m with $13m guaranteed.

[Giggles]

BJ Raji has retired. Another hole to fill on the defense.

[Ian]

Interesting-ish point made in MMQB that had a California team wanted to match Malik Jackson's take-home they'd have had to spend an extra $7m because of states and their different taxes.

Genuinely not something I'd considered during 'why didn't X try to sign y' arguments.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

BJ Raji has retired. Another hole to fill on the defense.
It might just be a 'hiatus'.


"I am taking a hiatus from the NFL and will not play during the 2016 NFL season," Raji said. "This decision was made after hours of conversation with close family members and mentors and considerable self-introspection and is one in which I am absolutely certain. I cannot rule out a return to the NFL in the future, but I will definitely not be playing during the 2016 season."

[Ian]

Given the physical and mental state of some players when they retire it's hard to blame the guys who are now having a good long think about their futures.

Also, what's the alternative to self-introspection?

[Gray Fox]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000644218/article/eric-weddle-to-sign-fouryear-26m-deal-with-ravens

We've signed Eric Weddle :drool:

I was hoping we'd pick him up after the Chargers decided they no longer wanted him.

Four years, $26m with $13m guaranteed.

What are the odds for 3 teams from the AFC North making the play-offs next year? Because I like that signing.

In Kaepernick news, the Broncos are willing to go as high as a 4th round pick for him, but they don't actually have a pick in the 4th round this year. The Browns meanwhile value him at a 3rd round pick. All of this needs to come to a conclusion before the 1st of April. As soon as that day hits the 49ers owe him a guaranteed $12m.

[Ian]

They owe him that if he doesn't pass a medical, but yeah.

[Lewis]

I was reading about franchise revenues earlier. What do teams like the Dallas Cowboys do with all their money if they can't use it on wages? Does it just pay for that lol stadium and line pockets?

[Browning]

Why does NFL.com seem to have a narrative that every team is doing fucking incredible work in Free Agency? I watched their grading teams the other day and despite probably only watching 12-16 of the teams the lowest score I saw was a B-. Now they've posted "Winners and Losers" from free agency and so many teams are named as "winners", in additional to more vague terms such as "Teams that concluded deals early" and "teams that remained quiet" while the losers are the Broncos and then a load of shit like "Old players" and "Moneyball references".

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Guess we needed a TE seeing as Boyle is suspended for 10 games (moron) and still no word on when Pitta will be back. Had a good year last season and he seems like a decent bloke.

We've also given Aiken a second round tender so it looks like he's staying too.

Oh and the Vikings have cut Mike Wallace, I wonder which stupid team will take a punt on him next.

I cursed us with this :(

Two year deal worth $11.5m.

On paper it's a good signing because Flacco can really help Wallace as all he has is speed and Joe is one of the best at going deep but he's such a toxic wanker who gives up far too easily.

[Browning]

Chandler Jones traded to the Cards.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

For Jonathan Cooper who has been pretty woeful and a second round pick.

Cardinals have gotten themselves a stud but they might lose him next year as his contract is up at the end of the season.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Oh and CJ Anderson is staying in Denver after they decided to match the Dolphins offer.

[Giggles]

Was thinking they might after they freed up space.

[Browning]

With or without Hillman?

[Giggles]

Jared Cook would be nice. Bet Thompson re-signs Quarless instead.

[wullie]

Anyone know much about J'Marcus Webb? His signing is bad news for Justin Britt.

[Ian]

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/15/johnny-manziel-nfl-cleveland-browns

Good article. Oddly unsympathetic given the people talking him up don't seem, largely, to be doing so in a way that's unreasonable.

He's just Ryan Leaf, really.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We've released Will Hill.

I was hoping he wasn't the odd man out in the safety merry-go-round.

Weddle at FS and Webb converting from a CB at SS for us next season.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Being reported that Hill failed another drug test (he was cut by the Giants for failing three tests) so is facing 10 games out.

Was wondering why the hell they cut him instead of Lewis who was worse in coverage.

It amazes me just how stupid a lot of people in sports are. Just don't take drugs for a few years and then snort everything under the sun up your nose ffs.

[Ian]

Especially in the NFL where a career can be short enough to begin with.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've just seen that there is a 410 pound TE hoping to be drafted this year...

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/-G6W5559ERP7D9cBbkMOcO9WHeM=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2895378/390td.0.gif

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/baylor-big-guy-td-a.gif?w=1000

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/eVmbIl7YpAkytFdfLohVjnx5zYw=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4267307/laquaaaan.0.gif

I like how his teammate refuses to try and lift him.

Someone needs to draft him.

[Ian]

Mon Elway, get him and Lorenzen in.

DO IT.

[Gray Fox]

I've just seen that there is a 410 pound TE hoping to be drafted this year...

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/-G6W5559ERP7D9cBbkMOcO9WHeM=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2895378/390td.0.gif

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/baylor-big-guy-td-a.gif?w=1000

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/eVmbIl7YpAkytFdfLohVjnx5zYw=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4267307/laquaaaan.0.gif

I like how his teammate refuses to try and lift him.

Someone needs to draft him.

Good luck trying to tackle him on the move!

In maybe an odd move, the Patriots have taken Martellus Bennett from Chicago. Maybe they'll just add a TE to cover their relative lack of receiver talent past Edelman.

On Hill being cut, aren't the Ravens notorious for cutting anyone who gets in the shit?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Well more so since Ray Rice and the year we had 5 players arrested.

It wasn't reported initially though (just cap saving) which is why I was surprised as he's been better than Kendrick Lewis.

Not really odd, the Patriots are a notorious two TE system. Gives them the best punch since Aaron Hernandez was lining up with Gronk. Catch a few TD passes and don't murder three people and he'll be deemed a success.

They've also signed Chris Long for a year on a $2m deal which is a very clever move. He's injury prone as fuck but a damn good player for a great price.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Speaking of Hernandez it seems he has decided to pick the Bloods as his gang of choice:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3371474/From-Super-Bowl-finalist-convicted-killer-Aaron-Hernandez-reveals-Bloods-gang-tattoo-appearance-double-murder-trial.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/23/06/2F92DB7600000578-3371474-image-m-54_1450852079931.jpg

[Gray Fox]

Not really odd, the Patriots are a notorious two TE system. Gives them the best punch since Aaron Hernandez was lining up with Gronk. Catch a few TD passes and don't murder three people and he'll be deemed a success.

I was about to ask if there's any chance he'll ever get out, but I only knew about the guy he'd been convicted for. Has he been found guilty of the other 2?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I was about to ask if there's any chance he'll ever get out, but I only knew about the guy he'd been convicted for. Has he been found guilty of the other 2?

He's serving life without parole for the murder of Odin Lloyd.

Trial is still going for the double homicide.

[Browning]

The Broncos have signed Okung to a big 5 year deal at something like $55m.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fair play to him too seeing as he has no agent.

Think it's a little much considering his injury record but he's damn good when he's on the field. For some reason I thought he was at least 32 but he's only 28.

[Browning]

Seemingly it's a one year deal worth $5m (rising to $8m with incentives) and then they have an options after 1 year to extend it for a further 4 years for an additional $48m.

[Gray Fox]

The league competition committee meets next week and will be discussing possible changes to the game for the next season. There's only a couple items on the agenda but one I think is needed:

- The 'horse collar rule' which is essentially just dragging people around by the collar is expected to be extended to the area around the nameplate on the jersey.
- All chop blocks to be made illegal(more like tweak the wording of the rule already)
- Touchbacks after a kick, to be moved forward 5 yards to the 25.
- The Chiefs have requested a rule to stop QBs falling down, getting back up and throwing a forward pass
- Players to be automatically ejected from the game for incurring their 2nd personal foul penalty.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Tray Walker, one of our backup CB's who played quite a bit last year due to injuries has been critically injured in a motorbike crash. He was damn good on special teams so it's a bit of a shitter.

[Ian]

MMQB say catching rules are coming up again too after the committee met with current and former players in January. I don't think there's a need to relax the rules (the offense has enough advantages), just make them clearer and try to find ways to improve consistency from the officials.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Colts have retired number 18 and will be building a statue of Peyton Manning.

They need to make it mid slide during this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7_aDs1lm10

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645558/article/goffs-hand-measures-larger-at-pro-day-than-it-did-at-combine


Jared Goff's hand size was highly scrutinized last month at the NFL Scouting Combine when the Cal quarterback's mitt measured just nine inches, a full inch smaller than that of North Dakota State's Carson Wentz, and especially after Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson explained why the measurement matters to him.

As of Friday, however, it's less of an issue by one-eighth of an inch.

Goff's hand measured 9 1/8 inches at Cal's pro day on Friday, just a bit bigger than it did roughly three weeks ago at the combine. Did he simply do a better job of spreading his fingers for the measurement, which extends from thumb tip to the tip of the pinky finger?

Is hand size the worst bullshit thing in judging players? I think it's a contender.

Mine are 9.75 inches so if any NFL team wants to pay me a mountain of cash to throw balls around and make Peyton look like a speed demon just let me know.

[Foe]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645558/article/goffs-hand-measures-larger-at-pro-day-than-it-did-at-combine



Is hand size the worst bullshit thing in judging players? I think it's a contender.

Mine are 9.75 inches so if any NFL team wants to pay me a mountain of cash to throw balls around and make Peyton look like a speed demon just let me know.

It's just a complete farce isn't it. The guy managing to stretch his hand out 3/8 inch more is odd though.

Interesting to know what odells hands are though, they are massive.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's just a complete farce isn't it. The guy managing to stretch his hand out 3/8 inch more is odd though.

Interesting to know what odells hands are though, they are massive.

10 inches.

Apparently Goff's 9 inchers could lose him millions of dollars because how you play doesn't mean shit. It seems that the Browns aren't so keen now.

Speaking of hands, Deforest Buckner's are 11.75 inches. The record is held by Robert Wadlow at 12 inches but he was 8 foot 11.

[Foe]

You're CB has passed away mahow

:(

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Damn, he was only 23 as well.

Was only drafted last year and played well when he was called on.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-ravens-rookie-corner-tray-walker-dedicates-football-career-to-his-late-fathers-memory-20150508-story.html

Tommy Lee Walker's ashes were spread off of the waters of Miami last Sunday by his family.

It was one day after the Ravens drafted his son, Texas Southern cornerback Tray Walker, in the fourth round.

It would have been his father's 54th birthday. Tommy Lee Walker died in November from a heart attack.

"This upcoming season, the whole process of right now, I dedicate that to him," Tray Walker said Friday during the first day of a rookie minicamp at the Ravens' training complex. "That's all he wanted. He just wanted the best for me and prayed to God that I would get this chance, and now I'm here."

Fucking hell :(

[Gray Fox]

Went to work this afternoon after just hearing news of his crash. Apparently he was on his bike, with no lights and wearing all dark clothes. Never stood a chance. :(

[Ian]

Counting down to Bruce saying Eli is more of a Colts legend than Peyton in 3...2...1...

[The Bruce]

You rang? :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000646684/article/los-angeles-rams-will-be-featured-on-hard-knocks

LA Rams to be the focus of Hard Knocks this year, I think it's a great choice.

Also, the NFL wants to host a game in Germany in 2017 and one in China in 2018.

The Rams look set to be the home team for the China game.

I honestly can't see the NFL being big in Asia.

[Foe]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000646684/article/los-angeles-rams-will-be-featured-on-hard-knocks

LA Rams to be the focus of Hard Knocks this year, I think it's a great choice.

Also, the NFL wants to host a game in Germany in 2017 and one in China in 2018.

The Rams look set to be the home team for the China game.

I honestly can't see the NFL being big in Asia.

Bloody bold move with the Rams. They've git enough shit on their plate without the cameras following them.

I bloody love hard knocks though, so I'll give it a go.

[Ian]

Given NFL Europe was basically NFL Germany by the end it's criminal that they've not had a game sooner.

China, though? Huh.

[Gray Fox]

They're on about one in Mexico too aren't they? International series indeed.

[Giggles]

I always found it strange they pushed London so much ahead of anything in Germany, but it worked out pretty well.

I still don't ever wish to go to a game outside the US though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They're on about one in Mexico too aren't they? International series indeed.

It's happening this year. Raiders against the Texans in November.

First Monday night game outside of the US.

They held one in Mexico years ago too though.

Plus the Bills were having a game in Toronto every year for quite a while but that didn't go so well. The attendances were as follows:

52,134 in 2008
51,567 in 2009
50,746 in 2010
51,579 in 2011
40,770 in 2012
38,969 in 2013.

Clearly the Canadians weren't too keen on Bills football and the Bills fans hated it seeing as they lost every year bar 2011.

[Browning]

The international games are amazing. I can't wait for 3 more this year. :drool:

I also noted that THE BEST OFFENSIVE LINE IN FOOTBALL is going to be wasted once again with Alfred Morris failing to take advantage of it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think it will be interesting to see how Morris fares.

He was amazing for his first two years because Washington had a decent offensive line and the read option was working so damn well.

They paid a good price too. Two years, $3.5m which is nothing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000646331

Easily the best mock draft ever.

[Gray Fox]

I'll take SuperGirl if it means I get the girl that plays her in the TV series.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Melissa Benoist :drool:

Her pics in the fappening were among the best.

[Gray Fox]

She looks fantastic naked. Even with some guy in her :D

[Gray Fox]

In much less interesting news. The Browns are signing RG3.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm not sure if that's good news or bad news.

They might not take a QB now which could hurt our chances of taking DeForest Buckner who I think makes the most sense. Ramsey will be gone, as will Tunsil and I feel the others just aren't that great. Bosa looks like he could easily be out of the league fairly sharpish and Stanley seems like a reach for 6th.

Plus a front three of Jernigan, Williams and Buckner would be incredible.

He could potentially be gone if the Browns don't take a QB.

[Giggles]

What a place to go to put the final bullet in that career.

[Gray Fox]

It does throw the cat among the pigeons.

The Browns taking QB at 2 was the only thing that was really a lock. Now, beyond Tunsil going to the Titans anything could happen in that top 10.

It does however mean we could have got one of Goff/Wentz. I wonder if we'll be tempted even with Bradford and Daniel.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It does throw the cat among the pigeons.

The Browns taking QB at 2 was the only thing that was really a lock. Now, beyond Tunsil going to the Titans anything could happen in that top 10.

It does however mean we could have got one of Goff/Wentz. I wonder if we'll be tempted even with Bradford and Daniel.
To be honest, the latest rumours I've heard is that the Titans will be picking Ramsey at number 1.

Apparently their ultimate goal was to try and trade down so they could select Ramsey a couple of picks later but the hype train around him is rolling so much and there are no real trading partners that they feel that they can't trade down and will be happy to pick him first.

Might be bullshit but the guy who has circulated the rumour is usually right.

[Foe]

To be honest, the latest rumours I've heard is that the Titans will be picking Ramsey at number 1.

Apparently their ultimate goal was to try and trade down so they could select Ramsey a couple of picks later but the hype train around him is rolling so much and there are no real trading partners that they feel that they can't trade down and will be happy to pick him first.

Might be bullshit but the guy who has circulated the rumour is usually right.

After Locker flamed out because of shit offensive line play and Mariota looking even more susceptible it'd be madness not to start at least building some kind of line around him. Mariota took a pasting last year too, so the talent they currently have clearly isn't good enough (ranked 26th of 32).

It's also pretty rare for a DB to be taken that high.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They did pick Lewan high last year.

They've also upgraded their center and there are still a lot of good guards knocking around in free agency.

Plus there's always talent later on.

The best rookie lineman last year was probably Collins who went undrafted because of his issues off the field.

[Gray Fox]

To be honest, the latest rumours I've heard is that the Titans will be picking Ramsey at number 1.

Apparently their ultimate goal was to try and trade down so they could select Ramsey a couple of picks later but the hype train around him is rolling so much and there are no real trading partners that they feel that they can't trade down and will be happy to pick him first.

Might be bullshit but the guy who has circulated the rumour is usually right.

They have a quality young QB there who was getting a beating because of his O-line. I can't believe they wouldn't invest a top pick into helping him out.

While there are great CBs in this year, I think they'd be daft not to protect their earlier investment.

This all will give the Cowboys a decision to make though. Assuming the Browns don't take a QB at 2 anyway.

[Foe]

They did pick Lewan high last year.

They've also upgraded their center and there are still a lot of good guards knocking around in free agency.

Plus there's always talent later on.

The best rookie lineman last year was probably Collins who went undrafted because of his issues off the field.

That was 2014 but yeah. To be fair the Titans could draft anyone really, their team is so non-descript that anything other than QB would probably be a good move. I don't think I could name less players on any other team than the Titans.

[Gray Fox]

A couple of people from work are already starting to think about their fantasy draft strategy for the coming season.

While I don't know how it will go. I can almost guarantee it wont have a QB going pick #1 and #2 again. I'm also certain a kicker wont go first round again either.

[Browning]

It's too early even for me, but I did notice that NFL.com had a "It's never too early for fantasy" advert up the other day.

[Gray Fox]

It was prompted by that very ad.

People sound like having varying strategy this time instead of oh yeah, I'll copy the guy that's played before. Even still if Gurley isn't gone at #1 I'll be very surprised.

[Browning]

I think Bell will end up being the consensus number 1 if he can prove his fitness.

All I know is despite being in a 2 QB league I'll be neglecting the position entirely given that Smith and Fitzpatrick won me a title that Manning and Romo conspired to deny me.

[Gray Fox]

The only QB I could really see going early is Cam in our league.

The guy running the league is planning on dropping the option to play QB at flex next season, so it should get more interesting in later rounds. People ended up with 4/5 QBs in their squad at points last season just because they could and it got a little irritating.

I have Gurley at #1 because I think some of the guys have bought into his big hype.

[Pleb]

A couple of people from work are already starting to think about their fantasy draft strategy for the coming season.

While I don't know how it will go. I can almost guarantee it wont have a QB going pick #1 and #2 again. I'm also certain a kicker wont go first round again either.
Is the TTH league still happening?

If so are we using Fox or Fleaflicker?

[Browning]

I'll probably throw something together nearer the time. Last time we used Yahoo but I'm open to trying something new.

[Gray Fox]

I'm most used to the Fox one and will host one if wanted, but there's no point in doing so until closer to August.

As it stands I know of about 5 of us who'd join in so we'd need to get that up to at least 8 really. If we could manage double figures it'd be great.

[Giggles]

Jared Cook has signed. Playing wise, he could be a massive difference but he's such a rotten element to have around a team. Big risk.

[Gray Fox]

Talked some more with the league commissioner yesterday. He's dropping the QB at flex option for next year. Which should in theory make one or two tempted to pick up a QB early. I don't think we'll see Rodgers and Wilson go 1 and 2 overall again though. He's also going to put a fee on every successful waiver/FA claim. Only £1, but it all goes back into prize money.

I've started laying the seeds of deception now. My late season wins came a few times at the hands of the Barn Yard Dog, so I've started telling people no matter what number I get, he's my first round pick.

[Browning]

On my way to the title last year I made 107 moves (most in the league) and the other 7 combined totaled 409. Would have been a nice pay day but if I had lost.....

No, no way I could live with £1 a move. :D

[Gray Fox]

On my way to the title last year I made 107 moves (most in the league) and the other 7 combined totaled 409. Would have been a nice pay day but if I had lost.....

No, no way I could live with £1 a move. :D

I've just added up our league. For £1 per waiver, we would have got another £279 of money into the pot. With me putting £34 of that in. Funnily enough the 4 guys who made the most waiver claims were the 4 semi-finalists.

[Gray Fox]

The Eagles have had Goff in for a private workout and are due to have Wentz in on Wednesday.

You'd have to imagine both would be gone by pick #8, but it's interesting to see us still looking at QBs.

[Browning]

The Broncos are now looking at Hoyer and McCown :D

[Gray Fox]

We've got Paxton Lynch visiting on Thursday too. Our owner to be present at all these visits. Looks like we're serious.

McCown and Sanchez. What a fall that's been.

[Ian]

They'll be "looking at" everybody who's available. If Fitzpatrick isn't going to cost much I'd go for him. Failing that Sanchez under orders to not try and perform heroics and drafting a QB would be my preference.

[Gray Fox]

If I see #ButtFumble trending next season, I'll know why.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Apparently Walter Thurmond has been rejecting offers of over $4m a year and is thinking about retiring.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Well at least he is trying hard for his second chance. Will be interesting if we do actually sign him (we have an unofficial agreement with him, I'm guessing it involves him passing various physical tests) and how he performs.

[Giggles]

:cab: I don't see any difference.

[Gray Fox]

He's weighing in less now than when he was drafted. I hope he gets another chance because he seems like he's worked hard at it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:cab: I don't see any difference.

Well he's lost 20 pounds.

Apparently he hasn't weighed so light (218 pounds) since high school.

[Giggles]

Well he's lost 20 pounds.

Apparently he hasn't weighed so light (218 pounds) since high school.

I'd like to see him do well. A few interviews I've seen seem to suggest he has his head screwed on finally.

[Giggles]

Speaking of lighter RB's :|

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's a classic sucking it in face.

I've pulled it many times.

[Gray Fox]

If Lacy puts in the work this off season he could have a massive year coming up.

[Giggles]

No sucking that in.


http://c0.thejournal.ie/media/2016/01/not-really-eddie-lacy-752x501.png

[Giggles]

This picture sums it up. He really let himself go since he came into the NFL.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQXaWu1CAAALAUO.png

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Can buy a lot of cakes on his salary tbf.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

There's talk that a German might well be drafted.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfv0OPczDlw

Teams are apparently wanking themselves into a coma as he is 6 foot 4 and can run 40 yards in 4.39 seconds and can jump vertically 37 inches. No word on how big his hands are though which is surely going to make or break his chances.

The defending on show in the video is fucking amazingly shit but he can run fast and jump high.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000650108/article/report-kaepernick-deal-held-up-by-49-million-gap

Less than $5 million in salary is now all that stands in the way of Colin Kaepernick heading to the Denver Broncos, according to a new report.


ESPN reported Sunday that the Broncos and San Francisco 49ers have "the parameters of an agreement in principle" on a long-awaited trade involving the veteran quarterback.

What's the holdup? A source told ESPN that the two sides must still agree on who will pay the $11.9 million in 2016 salary that became guaranteed on Friday. The Broncos have agreed to pay $7 million of Kaepernick's salary, and are pushing for the 49ers to pay for the entire 2016 figure, according to a source.

The 49ers are not willing to do that at this time and Kaepernick has not been open to taking a paycut to wipe out the balance.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport previously reported that Denver had asked Kaepernick to reduce his salary to be in line with what other backup/starter hybrids are at -- the $7 million mark. That's what Chase Daniel makes per year for Philly and nearly what Robert Griffin III makes in Cleveland (2 years, $15 million).

:drool:

Make it fucking happen.

[Browning]

They make it sound like $5m is nothing. Even within the context of the NFL, that's still almost 50% of the guys salary.

[Gray Fox]

They'd be much better waiting for the draft and taking Paxton Lynch.

Put up with Sanchez for a season and get Lynch ready.

[Foe]

For someone who's clearly going to dot around the league, asking him to give up $5 million (that he's now guaranteed) is a bit mental.

Being dropped for gabbert has to hurt, but not sure it's worth throwing $5 million down the drain for.

[Browning]

I guess there's an argument that if he guides them to a Super Bowl (and say what you want... but he's better than Manning was last year, comfortably) then he'll command much more money in future. But I agree, I can't see why he'd give up $5m this year.

[Foe]

I guess there's an argument that if he guides them to a Super Bowl (and say what you want... but he's better than Manning was last year, comfortably) then he'll command much more money in future. But I agree, I can't see why he'd give up $5m this year.

You say that, but he's already proven he can guide a team to a Super Bowl.

In his eyes he probably thinks he's earned his big contract already and has no reason to give it up.

Chip clearly doesn't think he's the solution but elway basically saying we don't think you're our answer isn't really going to be a huge driver. The nfl is a business and the players are well aware of that now. If the shoe was on the other foot kap would be tossed at the first opportunity.

[Gray Fox]

LeSean McCoy hasn't been charged for his assault on a police officer due to lack of any evidence so he wont be missing any games for the Bills.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000650453/article/thursday-night-football-to-be-streamed-live-on-twitter

Thursday night football to be streamed live on Twitter.

[Giggles]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000650453/article/thursday-night-football-to-be-streamed-live-on-twitter

Thursday night football to be streamed live on Twitter.

Hopefully there will be ways for us to get around the geo blocking for that.

[Browning]

It's the one night that has games that I absolutely cannot stay up, so fuck that.

[Ian]

Yeah that's going to make no difference to me whatsoever.

Giggles: Hola, no?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The games will still be on Sky anyway.

[Giggles]

Yeah that's going to make no difference to me whatsoever.

Giggles: Hola, no?

Hola seems to be working with less and less things these days though. It has even stopped being able to get me on to proper Netflix.


The games will still be on Sky anyway.

Exactly, which is why they'll be blocked on Twitter for the rest of us.

[Ian]

How're you using Hola, Giggles? Just the add-on or the weird standalone thing? Still works for Netflix for me.

[Giggles]

How're you using Hola, Giggles? Just the add-on or the weird standalone thing? Still works for Netflix for me.

I have the app on my tablet so I open that and then open the Netflix app through it as US or UK but I still always end up with the shitty local library. It used to work, and stuff like iPlayer work OK still, but I know Netflix have been doing their best to stop workarounds.

[Gray Fox]

I can only watch Thursday games live every other week. Though it'll still be good to have more ways of watching.

[Gray Fox]

Pre-season schedules are up.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000651246/article/2016-nfl-preseason-schedule?campaign=tw-nf-sf23926602-sf23926602

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000651449/article/dbrickashaw-ferguson-retiring-after-10-seasons

D'Brickashaw Ferguson (who has never missed a game in 10 seasons, hell he only missed one snap in 10,708 and it wasn't due to injury) has retired.

A bit of a shocker that and despite helping the Jets massively in terms of cap space they have no left tackle now.

[Foe]

Goodbye to the best name in football.

[Giggles]

Another smart man. He must be loaded.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've always preferred Captain Munnerlyn.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It seems there are loads of mental names in college that don't make it.

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000508871

I'm rooting for Weston Steelhammer and Chongo Kondolo.

[Browning]

There was a guy came through the draft on one of the Maddens (seemingly everyone got the same players) called OJ Justice. Someone must have been taking the piss.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000651782/article/jets-acquire-ryan-clady-in-trade-with-broncos

Clady and a seventh round pick to the Jets for a fifth rounder.

It's the best they could have hoped for but Clady is made out of glass.

[Ian]

Clady was a proper beast when he first came into the league and is still good on the game every third blue moon when you find he's actually fit. Better got rid of.

[Giggles]

Former Saints DE Will Smith killed in road rage incident.

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/us-sports/super-bowl-winner-has-been-shot-dead-in-road-rage-incident-in-new-orleans/73710

[Gray Fox]

Throwing away 2 lives and ruining several more over a pissing car crash. For fucks sake.

[Ian]

:nono:

[Foe]

Anyone done a mock draft?

I'm tempted to put one together to see how I do.

I think Jacksonville will be interesting at 5. They seem to be in the habit of drafting Florida guys which unless Ramsey falls horrendously would mean a serious reach for Hargreaves.

The 49ers doing a Rodgers mark 2 with Goff (if available) is drool worthy too.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think the top 10 is pretty much locked in.

I've got:

Jalen Ramsey
Carson Wentz
Laremy Tunsil
Joey Bosa
Miles Jack
DeForest Buckner
Jared Goff
Ezekiel Elliot
Leonard Floyd
Ronnie Stanley.

I keep hearing noise about Ramsey to the Titans, they feel he's a special talent and that they can get a offensive line help in the second round.

[Foe]

I think the top 10 is pretty much locked in.

I've got:

Jalen Ramsey
Carson Wentz
Laremy Tunsil
Joey Bosa
Miles Jack
DeForest Buckner
Jared Goff
Ezekiel Elliot
Leonard Floyd
Ronnie Stanley.

I keep hearing noise about Ramsey to the Titans, they feel he's a special talent and that they can get a offensive line help in the second round.

I've got a feeling the hue Jackson Carson wentz talk is all a ruse to make the 49ers think they don't need to trade up. It would be brilliant if they took Goff.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Josh Gordon was attempting to get reinstated after a year long suspension.

Problem is that he's tested positive for marijuana again :D

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000652013/article/josh-gordon-tested-positive-for-marijuana-last-month

[Gray Fox]

I was just about to post that. What a tit he is.

Browns need to start taking players lifestyles into account when they draft them.

[Foe]

I'm in the "does it really fucking matter" camp.

He's a grown man. If he's shit and can't control himself he'll get released. Basically holding a talented player, who wants to play, back is just ridiculous.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000652647/article/stunner-patriots-release-dominique-easley

Former first-round pick Dominique Easley played exceedingly well for the New England Patriots last season when he was healthy. That makes his release all the more surprising.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Easley was released on Wednesday after playing only 22 games over two seasons. Tom Curran of Comcast SportsNet New England first reported the news.

Must be more there because it's hard to believe a team would give up on a first rounder, who has played well after only two years.

[Browning]

Looking at that Gordon story:

In February 2015, Gordon was suspended without pay for at least one year for violating the NFL Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse. Gordon tested positive for alcohol, and later acknowledged he had two beers and two cocktails on a private jet to Las Vegas.

- - - - -

Fuck off is that worth a year ban.

[Giggles]

Looking at that Gordon story:

In February 2015, Gordon was suspended without pay for at least one year for violating the NFL Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse. Gordon tested positive for alcohol, and later acknowledged he had two beers and two cocktails on a private jet to Las Vegas.

- - - - -

Fuck off is that worth a year ban.

It's because he's not allowed any because of an earlier offence. Like a probation.

[Foe]

Looking at that Gordon story:

In February 2015, Gordon was suspended without pay for at least one year for violating the NFL Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse. Gordon tested positive for alcohol, and later acknowledged he had two beers and two cocktails on a private jet to Las Vegas.

- - - - -

Fuck off is that worth a year ban.

See my post above. There's trying to set an example that foul play won't be allowed and then there's taking the piss. All the lads going for steroid bike rides but god forbid josh Gordon gets a tipsy mile high.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Looking at that Gordon story:

In February 2015, Gordon was suspended without pay for at least one year for violating the NFL Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse. Gordon tested positive for alcohol, and later acknowledged he had two beers and two cocktails on a private jet to Las Vegas.

- - - - -

Fuck off is that worth a year ban.

He was prohibited from drinking alcohol whilst in an NFL substance abuse program after drinking whilst under the influence though.

[Browning]

Oh right, I didn't know he was under probation.

[Foe]

It's because he's not allowed any because of an earlier offence. Like a probation.

Sorry Gabby, you're not allowed shisha. If we catch you with a cigarette again we'll ban you for 38 games.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

See my post above. There's trying to set an example that foul play won't be allowed and then there's taking the piss. All the lads going for steroid bike rides but god forbid josh Gordon gets a tipsy mile high.
Having been arrested a few months prior to that for drink driving...

The NFL were trying to help him with a substance abuse program, he agreed to it all and then violated it.

[Giggles]

First pick traded to the LA Rams.


LA gives Tennessee:
2016 1st round (15)
2016 2nd round (43)
2016 2nd round (45)
2016 3rd round (76)
2017 1st round
2017 3rd round

Tennessee gives LA:
2016 1st round (1)
2016 4th round (113)
2016 6th round (177)

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Holy fuck.

Well Carson Wentz is probably smiling now as he's in for a bigger payday.

If the Titans play this well they could become a serious fucking team, they wont because they're the Titans.

I now have the draft going like this:

Wentz
Goff
Tunsil
Ramsey
Myles Jack (Bosa is another option)
DeFores Buckner
Joey Bosa (or Myles Jack)
Ezekiel Elliot.

Rams are idiots.

[Ian]

Andrew Brandt's logic on MMQB that they're doing fuck all in that division without a QB upgrade makes some sense but that's still a hell of a deal for Tennessee.

[Foe]

The Titans are going to be busy boys in this draft. They're getting a ton of early round picks. It's not like they're end of rounders either, they've basically 2 1s, 3 2s and a 3. :drool:

[Dan]

That trade is right up there with the one the Rams were on the receiving end of from Washington a few years back in terms of the ridiculous number of picks involved.

Who do we think the Titans will be taking now then? Tunsil & Ramsey will both be long gone by #15, and it's likely that Ronnie Stanley could be off the board too. Meanwhile, Jalen Ramsey cannot be replicated by anyone. Do they still target those positions early, or do they switch to building other areas?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Stanley might still be there, if he's not they will take the next best lineman which is probably Conklin.

[neo_hippy]

As a Rams fan that trade is scary. We have so many holes on offence we need the picks and last time we took a QB 1st round it didn't go so well. Without a WR and a TE all the QB will be doing again is handing off to Gurly.

It's not like we're good at picking in the 4th and later rounds either.

[Gray Fox]

What did I miss today? Jeez.

That trade is hard for the Titans to turn down because they can seriously sort out their team now, if they do it right. For the Rams it's a little mad, but I understand it. They've been pussyfooting around with QBs over the last few years now and without one were probably destined to go 7-9 until the end of time. They needed to take a chance here. I'm guessing they want Wentz and he looks like he's got the goods.

Big losers from this deal are the 49ers. They're now looking down the barrel, QB-wise. Eagles have also taken a hit on this. Our move up to #8 looked decent but now we're looking at being locked in to taking Elliott.

Also Percy Harvin is done and the Eagles 2nd half of the season looks seriously difficult. :worried:

[The Bruce]

And thus the whole mock draft pish of the last month was deemed pointless :D

That's a batshit trade by the Rams though, I'll be glad to see the Giants shit on whichever quarterback they choose :thbup:

[Foe]

I'm just not sure they're going Wentz.

New home, number 1 pick, re-establishing a fan base, a 'top' rated QB from California who played his college ball an hour away.

It'll all depend on what big Jeff thinks. It'll be really interesting to see if they pick QB @ 1 and the Browns bottle it and trade the pick to the 49ers for Kaepernick plus a whole bunch of picks. I'm exciting about the draft.

[Giggles]

If they could get an inkling who Cleveland want and then trade them the #1.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They'd want Wentz, Hue Jackson seems mental enough to actually think that Goff's hand size is too small to play in the division.

"It matters because we play in a division where all of a sudden there's rain, there's snow and it's different. I think guys that have big hands can grip the ball better in those environmental situations," Jackson said.

Manziel has pretty damn big hands (touch under 10 inches) so clearly it's not all a load of complete and utter bollocks...

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Sep. 11, Buffalo Bills, 1:00 PM, CBS

Sep. 18, at Cleveland Browns, 1:00 PM, CBS

Sep. 25, at Jacksonville Jaguars, 1:00 PM, CBS

Oct. 2, Oakland Raiders, 1:00 PM, CBS

Oct. 9, Washington Redskins, 1:00 PM, FOX

Oct. 16, at New York Giants, 1:00 PM, CBS

Oct. 23, at New York Jets, 1:00 PM, CBS

BYE

Nov. 6, Pittsburgh Steelers, 1:00 PM, CBS

Nov. 10, Cleveland Browns (Thu), 8:25 PM, NFLN

Nov. 20, at Dallas Cowboys, 1:00 PM, CBS

Nov. 27, Cincinnati Bengals, 1:00 PM, CBS

Dec. 4, Miami Dolphins, 1:00 PM, CBS

Dec. 12, at New England Patriots (Mon), 8:30 PM, ESPN

Dec. 18, Philadelphia Eagles, 1:00 PM, FOX

Dec. 25, at Pittsburgh Steelers, 4:30 PM, NFLN

Jan. 1, at Cincinnati Bengals, 1:00 PM, CBS

Battering the Steelers in Pittsburgh on Christmas :drool:

The most annoying thing about the fixture list being released today has made me remember just how fucking far away the new season is though :(

[Gray Fox]

You could potentially have 5 wins on the board before your bye week there. That's also assuming that the Giants and the Raiders costly additions work out for them. Ravens/Steelers games are always tasty :p

It is far away though which is why I've been getting myself involved in very early fantasy talk. Keeps you sane while waiting.

[Dan]

Brandon Browner has gone back to the Seahawks. (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000653647/article/brandon-browner-rejoining-seattle-seahawks)

It's really happened. He's gone :fun:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Unless that's for the league minimum I'm not sure why the Seahawks have taken him back.

I know that he was alright there but he had far too many penalties and corners look better due to the safety help from Thomas and Chancellor.

[wullie]

I hope his story about playing a season with a torn MCL is the real reason behind him being awful.

[Gray Fox]

Ravens sign Trent Richardson.

Good to see him get a chance after he seemingly worked his ass off to get back.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Sounds like he's on the right track too.

We gave him some targets to meet and he's obviously done that so he's working hard.

[Foe]

Anyone been on NFL.com and done a mock draft?

http://imgur.com/a/chpJs

Apologies for the horrific photos. I have no idea how to screen shot on a mac.

[Gray Fox]

I think Bosa goes top 6. Well at least he was going to before the big trade. I don't think he falls to 10 as we'll probably just take best player available, should Elliott not fall to us.

Plus the Giants have just spent mega money on their defense. They need someone to throw the ball to besides Beckham. I see them taking a WR.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They'll go defense.

Hargreaves will fall to them and they'll snap him up because they still need help in the secondary.

[Foe]

I think Bosa goes top 6. Well at least he was going to before the big trade. I don't think he falls to 10 as we'll probably just take best player available, should Elliott not fall to us.

Plus the Giants have just spent mega money on their defense. They need someone to throw the ball to besides Beckham. I see them taking a WR.

The draft seems to be loaded with DT talent. I dont really see someone who the Giants would take at 10 as a WR, unless they think Fuller/Treadwell is hugely under rated.

Tried to think outside the box a bit too. It's pretty difficult actually because if you base it on talent rather than need there's just a stuffing of square pegs in round holes, ala the Giants @ 10.

[Foe]

They'll go defense.

Hargreaves will fall to them and they'll snap him up because they still need help in the secondary.

The Florida teams love drafting Florida players. I don't think he's the number 9 player, but Bortles sure as shit wasn't the third best player either.

[Gray Fox]

What I find interesting now is what the Browns do. They have RG3 for a year and could benefit from playing the long game. Realistically they must know that they will be in the top 5 for draft picks next year. There's some teams below them this year who are desperate for a QB(49ers, Jets, Broncos and maybe Eagles). Denver wont reach that far up but any of the others could trade up. They could see what the Titans have just got and ask for something a little similar. They'll still be top 5 next year to take a QB incase RG3 doesn't work out too.

[Gray Fox]

The draft seems to be loaded with DT talent. I dont really see someone who the Giants would take at 10 as a WR, unless they think Fuller/Treadwell is hugely under rated.

Tried to think outside the box a bit too. It's pretty difficult actually because if you base it on talent rather than need there's just a stuffing of square pegs in round holes, ala the Giants @ 10.

True. The trade up has knocked me out of where I expected people going a little bit. If teams just take the best talent available down to them I could see them taking someone like Hargreaves as I'd expect Bosa to still go before them.

To be fair it is actually quite hard to predict the top 10 past pick #2.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://i.imgur.com/hEU034X.png http://i.imgur.com/K54r3Ec.png

Top 11 is a lock (Jaguars and Niners might swap), the latter half is a bit of a mess other than Texans, Vikings and Bengals.

[Foe]

True. The trade up has knocked me out of where I expected people going a little bit. If teams just take the best talent available down to them I could see them taking someone like Hargreaves as I'd expect Bosa to still go before them.

To be fair it is actually quite hard to predict the top 10 past pick #2.

It's going to be brilliant because it could play out in so many different ways. There's like 10 or 11 guys you could legitimately plonk in the top 5, at any of the spots.

I'm also of the opinion that if the Rams take the QB they want they'll open the telephones. RG3 could be a starter again, for what is a poor team. If the Browns aren't sold on the QB left at 2, I don't think they take him. They've had too many misses to just take a punt because he's the next best guy.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've been hearing today that the Ravens want to try and trade out of the top 10 too which could be a great move.

The more I think about, the more I believe that the team covets Buckner and I don't see the Niners, Eagles, Bucs, Giants, Bears and possibly the Dolphins taking him if he's there.

We've also started chugging out rumours that we're interested in Ezekiel Elliot to try and get a trade done I'd imagine.

[Foe]

Zeek's going to join Jerry and the gang at 4. They can't keep wasting that offensive line.

If not him, would be interesting to see if they pick up Derrick Henry early in R2.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They finished ninth in rushing last year with Run DMC, Lance Dumber and Joseph Randle.

They don't need a running back with their line.

Plus you can draft legit runners outside of the first round pretty easily now.

[Gray Fox]

Took a whack at it, ignoring the draft best available strategy and mixing team needs and who I've like the look of.

I have Goff going to the Rams and Wentz to the Browns. Simply because I don't think the Browns want Goff and will trade it away if Wentz is taken.

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[Dan]

I got REALLY bored & did the first two rounds...

Round 1:

Rams - Jared Goff, QB
Browns - Carson Wentz, QB
Chargers - Jalen Ramsey, S/CB
Cowboys - Joey Bosa, DE
Jaguars - Myles Jack, LB
Ravens - Laremy Tunsil, OT
49ers - Ronnie Stanley, OT
Eagles - Ezekiel Elliott, RB
Buccaneers - DeForest Buckner, CB
Giants - Jack Conklin, OT
Bears - Vernon Hargreaves, CB
Saints - Sheldon Rankins, DT
Dolphins - Eli Apple, CB
Raiders - Reggie Ragland, LB
Titans - Taylor Decker, OT
Lions - Ryan Kelly, C
Falcons - Kevin Dodd, DE
Colts - Leonard Floyd, LB
Bills - Robert Nkemdiche, DE
Jets - Darron Lee, LB
Redskins - A’Shawn Robinson, DT
Texans - Corey Coleman, WR
Vikings - Laquon Treadwell, WR
Bengals - Josh Doctson, WR
Steelers - William Jackson III, CB
Seahawks - Germain Ifedi, OT
Packers - Andrew Billings, NT
Chiefs - Artie Burns, CB
Cardinals - TJ Green, S/CB
Panthers - Mackenzie Alexander, CB
Broncos - Chris Jones, DT

Round 2:
Browns - Will Fuller, WR
Titans - Kenny Clark, DT
Cowboys - Paxton Lynch, QB
Chargers - Shaq Lawson, DE
Ravens - Cody Whitehair, OT
49ers - Connor Cook, QB
Jaguars - Karl Joseph, S
Buccaneers - Kendall Fuller, CB
Giants - Tyler Boyd, WR
Bears - Le’Raven Clark, OT
Dolphins - Jarran Reed, DE
Titans - Keanu Neal, S
Raiders - Xavien Howard, CB
Titans - Sterling Sheppard, WR
Lions - Jason Spriggs, OT
Saints - Noah Spence, DE
Colts - Carl Nassib, DE
Bills - Michael Thomas, WR
Falcons - Vonn Bell, S
Jets - Hunter Henry, TE
Texans - Jaylon Smth, LB
Redskins - Charone Peake, WR
Vikings - Josh Garnett, OT
Bengals - Adolphus Washington, DT
Seahawks - Emmanuel Ogbah, DE
Packers - Scooby Wright III, LB
Steelers - Vernon Butler, DT
Chiefs - Leonte Caroo, WR
Patriots - Jonathan Bullard, DT
Patriots - Derrick Henry, RB
Panthers - Shilique Calhoun, DE
Broncos - Christian Westerman, OG

Got about halfway through the second round before I was picking people I'd barely heard of. Not 100% sure I've even got the picks right in that round either, actually :D It's really interesting to see how wildly pretty much every draft is from the others though.

[bruhnaldo]

i ran a 7 round mock on the college football board i go to if anyone cares.

mind, this was done before the big trade involving the 1st pick.... but thought i'd share anyways since people are posting mocks.

Round 1

1. Tennessee Titans - @Benns - Laremy Tunsil, OT Mississippi
2. Cleveland Browns - @Indy Kidd-Gilchrist - Jared Goff, QB California
3. San Diego Chargers - morey161 - Jalen Ramsey, DB FSU
4. Dallas Cowboys - @GaryL - Joey Bosa, DE Ohio State*
5. Jacksonville Jaguars - @SexualTebow - Vernon Hargreaves, CB Florida
6. Baltimore Ravens - @DMoney - Myles Jack, LB UCLA
7. Los Angeles Rams (from SF) - @ilovelamp51 - Carson Wentz, QB North Dakota St
8. Philadelphia Eagles - @VerbalKintCane - Ronnie Stanley, OT Notre Dame
9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - @CanesFan76 - Deforest Buckner, DL Oregon
10. New York Giants - @gogeta4 - Laquon Treadwell, WR Ole Miss
11. Chicago Bears - @bandhammer - A'Shawn Robinson, DT Alabama
12. New Orleans Saints - @Barboni - Sheldon Rankins, DT Louisville
13. Seattle Seahawks (from Miami) - @HeCanScoot - Ezequiel Elliot, RB Ohio State
14. Oakland Raiders - @CANS - Jack Conklin, OT Michigan State
15. San Francisco 49ers (from LA) - @26 - Paxton Lynch, QB Memphis
16. Detroit Lions - @Glage - Reggie Ragland, LB Alabama
17. Atlanta Falcons - @canesmang1 - Robert Nkemdiche, DT Ole Miss
18. Green Bay Packers (from Indy) - @Bran - Darron Lee, LB Ohio State
19. Buffalo Bills - @Greentree All-American - Shaq Lawson, DE/OLB Clemson
20. New York Jets - @VinnDogg Dak Prescott, QB Miss St.
21. Washington Redskins - @Warning - Jarran Reed, DL Alabama
22. Houston Texans - @Los - Will Fuller, WR Notre Dame
23. Pittsburgh Steelers (from Minnesota) - @slashsteel - Andrew Billings, DL Baylor
24. Cincinnati Bengals - DCH - Mackensie Alexander, CB Clemson
25. Minnesota Vikings (from Pittsburgh) - @fiverings01 - John Doctson, WR TCU
26. Kansas City Chiefs (from Miami, by way of Seattle) - @Kilogram - Noah Spence, DE Eastern Kentucky
27. Indianapolis Colts (from Green Bay) - @WhatTheHell - Taylor Decker, T, Ohio State
28. Miami Dolphins (from Kansas City - @Joe Joe Joecane - Leonard Floyd, OLB/DE Georgia
29. Arizona Cardinals - @japancane - Kevin Dodd, DE Clemson
30. Carolina Panthers - @Winky is Wright - Corey Coleman, WR Baylor
31. Denver Broncos - @porterhouse - Cody Whitehair, OL Kansas State



Round 2


32. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - @CanesFan76 - Emmanuel Ogbah, DE Oklahoma State University
33. Tennessee Titans - @Benns - Eli Apple, CB Ohio State*
34. Dallas Cowboys - @GaryL - Kendall Fuller, CB Virginia Tech
35. San Diego Chargers - morey161 - Kenny Clark, DT UCLA
36. Baltimore Ravens - @DMoney - Artie Burns, CB Miami
37. San Francisco 49ers - @26 - Braxton Miller, WR Ohio State*
38. Jacksonville Jaguars - @SexualTebow - Jonathan Bullard, DL Florida
39. Cleveland Browns - @Indy Kidd-Gilchrist - Jason Spriggs, T Indiana
40. Detroit Lions (from NYG) - @Glage - Vonn Bell, S Ohio State*
41. Chicago Bears - @bandhammer - William Jackson, CB Houston
42. Miami Dolphins - @Joe Joe Joecane - Keanu Neal, S UFlorida
43. San Francisco 49ers (from LA) - @26 - Vadal Alexander, G LSU
44. Atlanta Falcons - @canesmang1 - Jaylon Smith, OLB Notre Dame
45. Los Angeles Rams - @ilovelamp51 - Hunter Henry, TE Arkansas
46. New York Giants (from Detroit) - @gogeta4 - Derrick Henry, RB Alabama
47. New Orleans Saints - @Barboni - Germain Ifedi, OT/OG Texas A&M
48. Indianapolis Colts - @WhatTheHell - Vernon Butler, DL La Tech
49. Denver Broncos - @porterhouse - Chris Jones, DL Miss State
50. Oakland Raiders - @CANS - Su'a Cravens, OLB USC
51. New York Jets - @VinnDogg - Le’Raven Clark, OT Texas Tech
52. Houston Texans - @Los - Adolphus Washington, DE Ohio State
53. Pittsburgh Steelers (from Washington) - @slashsteel - Darian Thompson, FS Boise
54. Minnesota Vikings - @fiverings01 - Kyler Fackrell, OLB Utah St
55. Cleveland Browns (from Cincinnati) - @Indy Kidd-Gilchrist - Michael Thomas, WR Ohio State*
56. Miami Dolphins - @Joe Joe Joecane - Xavien Howard, CB Baylor
57. Green Bay Packers - @Bran - Tyler Boyd, WR Pitt
58. Washington Redskins (from Pittsburgh) - @Warning - Ryan Kelly, C Alabama
59. Seattle Seahawks (from KC) - @HeCanScoot - Kamalei Correa, LB Boise State
60. New England Patriots - @Groz - Shonn Coleman, OT Auburn
61. New England Patriots - @Groz - Alex Collins, RB Arkansas
62. Carolina Panthers - @Winky is Wright - Spencer Drango, OT Baylor
63. Buffalo Bills - @Greentree All-American - Jeremy Cash, S Duke



Round 3

64. Tennessee Titans - @Benns - Shilique Calhoun, DE MSU
65. Cincinnati Bengals (from Cleveland) - DCH - Sterling Shepard, WR Oklahoma
66. San Diego Chargers - morey161 - Willie Beavers, OT Western Michigan
67. Dallas Cowboys - @GaryL - Pharoh Cooper, WR South Carolina
68. San Francisco 49ers - @26 - Scooby Wright, LB Arizona
69. Jacksonville Jaguars - @SexualTebow - Kyle Murphy, OT Stanford
70. Baltimore Ravens - @DMoney - Karl Joseph, S WVU
71. New York Giants - @gogeta4 - Shawn Oakman, DE Baylor
72. Chicago Bears - @bandhammer - Yannick Ngakoue, OLB Maryland
73. Kansas City Chiefs (from Seattle by way of Miami) - @Kilogram - Rashard Robinson,
CB LSU
74. New York Jets - @VinnDogg - C.J. Prosise, RB Notre Dame
75. Oakland Raiders - @CANS - Sheldon Day, DT Notre Dame.
76. Los Angeles Rams - @ilovelamp51 - Nick Martin, C/OG, Notre Dame
77. Philadelphia Eagles - @VerbalKintCane Kenneth Dixon, RB La Tech
78. New Orleans Saints - @Barboni Deion Jones, LB LSU
79. Philadelphia Eagles - @VerbalKintCane - Christian Westerman, OG Arizona State
80. Buffalo Bills - @Greentree All-American - Rashard Higgins, WR Colorado State
81. Atlanta Falcons - @canesmang1 - Austin Hooper, TE Stanford
82. Indianapolis Colts - @WhatTheHell - Joshua Perry, LB Ohio State*
83. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from New York) - @CanesFan76 - Joshua Garnett, G/C Stanford
84. Washington Redskins - @Warning - Kentrell Brothers, ILB Missouri
85. Houston Texans - @Los - Max Tuerk, C USC
86. Minnesota Vikings - @fiverings01 - Austin Johnson, DT Penn St
87. Cincinnati Bengals - DCH - Jalen Mills, FS LSU
88. Indianapolis Colts (from Green Bay) - @WhatTheHell - Zack Sanchez, CB OU
89. Washington Redskins - @Warning - Devontae Booker, RB Utah
90. Miami Dolphins (from Seattle) - @Joe Joe Joecane - Joe Dahl, OT/OG Washington State
91. New England Patriots - @Groz - Will Redmond, CB Mississippi State
92. Arizona Cardinals - @japancane - Connor Cook QB, Mich St
93. Carolina Panthers - @Winky is Wright - Jason Fanaika DE/OLB, Utah
94. Buffalo Bills (from Denver) - @Greentree All-American - Deon Bush, S UMiami
95. Detroit Lions - @Glage - compensatory - Jerald Hawkins, OT LSU
96. New England Patriots - @Groz - compensatory - Jayron Kearse, S Clem
97. Seattle Seahawks - @HeCanScoot - compensatory - Kenny Lawler, WR California
98. Denver Broncos - @porterhouse - compensatory - Antonio Morrison, LB Florida



Round 4

99. Cleveland Browns - @Indy Kidd-Gilchrist - Carl Nassib, DE Penn St.
100. Philadelphia Eagles - @VerbalKintCane - Charone Peake WR, Clemson
101. Dallas Cowboys - @GaryL - KJ Dillion, Safety WVU
102. San Diego Chargers - morey161 Christian Hackenberg, Penn State
103. Jacksonville Jaguars - @SexualTebow - Landon Turner G North Carolina
104. Baltimore Ravens - @DMoney - Denver Kirkland, OG Arkansas
105. San Francisco 49ers - @26 - Maurice Canady, CB Virginia
106. Chicago Bears - @bandhammer - Tajae Sharpe, WR UMASS
107. Miami Dolphins - @Joe Joe Joecane - Paul Perkins, RB UCLA
108. Cincinnati Bengals (from Cleveland by way of Tampa Bay) - DCH - Maliek Collins, DT Nebraska
109. New York Giants - @gogeta4 - Avery Young, OT Auburn
110. Los Angeles Rams - @ilovelamp51 - Leonte Carroo, WR, Rutgers
111. New York Giants (from Detroit) - @gogeta4 - TJ Green, S Clemson
112. New Orleans Saints - @Barboni - Miles Killebrew, S Southern Utah
113. Tennessee Titans - @Benns - Bronson Kaufusi, DE/DT BYU
114. Oakland Raiders - @CANS - DJ Foster, RB/WR Arizona State
115. Oakland Raiders (from Atlanta) - @CANS - Eric Murray, CB Minnesota.
116. Indianapolis Colts - @WhatTheHell - Dominique Alexander, LB Oklahoma
117. Buffalo Bills - @Greentree All-American - Kenyon Drake, RB Alabama
118. New York Jets - @VinnDogg - Malcolm Mitchell, WR Georgia
119. Houston Texans - @Los - Hassan Ridgeway, DT Texas
120. Washington Redskins - @Warning - Keyarris Garrett, WR Tulsa
121. Minnesota Vikings - @fiverings01 - Charles Tapper, DE Oklahoma
122. Cincinnati Bengals - DCH - Tyler Matakevich, LB Temple
123. Minnesota Vikings (from Pittsburgh) - @fiverings01 - Joe Haeg, OT North Dakota St
124. Kansas City Chiefs (from Seattle) - @Kilogram - Matt Judon, DE Grand Valley
125. Indianapolis Colts (from Green Bay) - @WhatTheHell - Jordan Howard, RB Indiana
126. Kansas City Chiefs (from Seattle) - @Kilogram - KeiVarae Russell, CB Notre Dame
127. Chicago Bears - @bandhammer - Tyvus Powell, safety Ohio State*
128. Arizona Cardinals - @japancane - Javon Hargrave, DT, South Carolina St
129. Carolina Panthers - @Winky is Wright - Johnathon Jones, CB Auburn
130. Baltimore Ravens - @DMoney - Roberto Aguayo, K, FSU
131. Green Bay Packers - @Bran - compensatory - Willie Henry, NT, Michigan
132. Baltimore Ravens - @DMoney - compensatory - Sean Davis, S, Maryland
133. San Francisco 49ers - @26 - compensatory - Alex McAlister, DE Florida.
134. Baltimore Ravens - @DMoney - compensatory - Tyler Higbee, TE Western Kentucky
135. Dallas Cowboys - @GaryL - compensatory - Jerell Adams, TE South Carolina
136. Denver Broncos - @porterhouse - compensatory - Devon Cajuste, WR/TE Stanford
137. Green Bay Packers - @Bran - compensatory - Nick Vannett, TE, Ohio St
138. Cleveland Browns - @Indy Kidd-Gilchrist - compensatory - Jordan Jenkins, OLB UGA
139. Buffalo Bills - @Greentree All-American - compensatory - Sebastian Tretola G, Arkansas


Round 5

1. Tennessee Titans - @Benns - Justin Simmons, FS BC
2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Cleveland) - @CanesFan76 - Kolby Listenbee, WR TCU
3. San Francisco 49ers - @26 - James Bradberry CB. Samford
4. Oakland Raiders - @CANS - Demarcus Robinson WR, Florida
5. Denver Broncos - @porterhouse - Keith Marshall, RB Georgia
6. San Francisco 49ers - @26 - Jihad Ward, DE Illinois
7. Jacksonville Jaguars - @SexualTebow - Jack Allen, C Michigan State
8. Miami Dolphins - @Joe Joe Joecane - Conner McGovern, OT/OG Missouri
9. Cleveland Browns (from Tampa) - @Indy Kidd-Gilchrist - Graham Glasgow, C/G Michigan
10. New York Giants - @gogeta4 - DJ White, CB Georgia Tech
11. Chicago Bears - @bandhammer - Caleb Benenoch, OT UCLA
12. Detroit Lions - @Glage - Cyrus Jones, CB Alabama
13. New Orleans Saints - @Barboni - Ronald Zamort, CB Western Michigan
14. Philadelphia Eagles - @VerbalKintCane - Joe Schobert, OLB, Wisconsin
15. Oakland Raiders - @CANS - Tyler Johnstone OT, Oregon.
16. Los Angeles Rams - @ilovelamp51 =SELECTION FORFEITED=
17. Indianapolis Colts - @WhatTheHell - Juston Burris, CB NC State
18. Washington Redskins (from Buffalo) - @Greentree All-American - Cardale Jones, QB Ohio State*
19. Atlanta Falcons - @canesmang1 =SELECTION FORFEITED=
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Jets) - @CanesFan76 - DeAndre Houston-Carson, FS/CB William & Mary
21. Washington Redskins - @Warning - Harlan Miller CB SE Louisiana
22. Houston Texans - @Los - Jake McGee, TE Florida
23. Buffalo Bills (from Wash, by way of Pitt, originally from Minn) - @Greentree All-American - Richard Leonard, CB FIU
24. Cincinnati Bengals - DCH - Terrance Smith, LB FSU
25. Kansas City Chiefs - @Kilogram - Rees Odhiambo, OL Boise State
26. Green Bay Packers - @Bran - Kevin Byard S, Middle Tennessee St.
27 Philadelphia Eagles - @VerbalKintCane - Deiondre' Hall, CB Northern Iowa
28. Kansas City Chiefs - @Kilogram - Chris Moore, WR Cincinnati
29. Houston Texans - @Los - Kevon Seymour, CB, USC
30. Arizona Cardinals - @japancane - Jonathan Williams, RB Arkansas
31. Carolina Panthers - @Winky is Wright - Daniel Lasco, RB CAL
32. Detroit Lions - @Glage - John Theus, OT Georgia
33. Arizona Cardinals - @japancane - Ben Braunecker TE, Harvard
34. Seattle Seahawks - @HeCanScoot - Isaac Seumalo, G, Oregon State
35. Cleveland Browns - @Indy Kidd-Gilchrist - Nick Vigil, ILB Utah State
36. Cleveland Browns - @Indy Kidd-Gilchrist - DJ Reader, NT Clemson
37. San Francisco 49ers - @26 - Moritz Boehringer. WR. Germany.
38. San Diego Chargers - morey161 - Mike Thomas, WR Southern Miss


Round 6

176. Cleveland Browns - @Indy Kidd-Gilchrist - Jalin MArshall, WR Ohio State*
177. Tennessee Titans - @Benns - Blake Martinez, ILB Stanford
178. San Francisco 49ers - @26 - Thomas Duarte TE, UCLA
179. San Diego Chargers - morey161 - Cole Toner, OT Harvard
180. Minnesota Vikings - @fiverings01 - Jordan Payton, WR UCLA
181. Jacksonville Jaguars - @SexualTebow - Erick Striker, LB Oklahoma
182. Baltimore Ravens - @DMoney - Jatavis Brown, LB Akron
183. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - @CanesFan76 - Glenn Gronkowskii, FB Kansas St.
184. Detroit Lions (from NYG) - @Glage - Aaron Burbridge, WR Michigan State
185. Chicago Bears - @bandhammer - Stephen Weatherly, OLB, Vanderbilt
186. Miami Dolphins - @Joe Joe Joecane - Bralon Addison WR, Oregon
187. Washington Redskins - @Warning - Roger Lewis WR Bowling Green
188. Philadelphia Eagles - @VerbalKintCane - Jacoby Brissett, QB, NC State
189. Dallas Cowboys - @GaryL - Dadi Nicolas, OLB, VT
190. Los Angeles Rams - @ilovelamp51 - Daniel Braverman WR, Western Michigan
191. New York Giants (from Detroit) - @gogeta4 - Ufomba Kamalu, DT, MIAMI
192. Buffalo Bills - @Greentree All-American - Reggie Northrup, LB FSU
193. Tennessee Titans - @Benns - Parker Ehinger, OG UC
194. Oakland Raiders - @CANS - Jerrard Randall, Athlete, Arizona
195. Houston Texans - @Los - Alex Lewis, OT, Nebraska
196. New England Patriots - @Groz - Tyriq McCord, DE Miami
197. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - @CanesFan76 - Jakeem Grant, WR Texas Tech
198. San Diego Chargers - morey161 - Lloyd Carrington CB Arizona State
199. Cincinnati Bengals - DCH - Ricardo Louis, WR, Auburn
200. Green Bay Packers - @Bran - Josh Ferguson, RB, Illinois
201. Jacksonville Jaguars - @SexualTebow - James Cowser, DE, SUU
202. Detroit Lions - @Glage - Tom Hackett P Utah
203. Seattle Seahawks (from Kansas City) - @HeCanScoot - Briean Boddy-Calhoun, CB, Minnesota
204. New England Patriots - @Groz - Tayon Young, CB Temple
205. Arizona Cardinals - @japancane - Brandon Shell, T, South Carolina
206. Chicago Bears - @bandhammer - Geronimo Allison, WR, Illinois
207. San Francisco 49ers - @26 - Kevin Hogan, QB Stanford
208. New England Patriots - @Groz - Daryl Worley, CB WVU
209. Baltimore Ravens - @DMoney - Corey Tindal, CB Marshall
210. Detroit Lions - @Glage - Travis Feeney, OLB Washington
211. San Francisco 49ers - @26 - James Burgess, LB Louisville
212. Dallas Cowboys - @GaryL - Marshaun Coprich, RB Illinois State
213. San Francisco 49ers - @26 - Quinton Jefferson, DE Maryland
214. New England Patriots - @Groz - De'Runnya Wilson, WR/TE Miss St
215. Seattle Seahawks - @HeCanScoot - Fahn Cooper, OT Ole Miss
216. Dallas Cowboys - @GaryL - Chris Brown, WR Notre Dame
217. Dallas Cowboys - @GaryL - Josh Forrest, LB Kentucky
218. Buffalo Bills - @Greentree All-American - Brandon Doughty, QB Western Kentucky
219. Denver Broncos - @porterhouse - Derrick Kindred, S TCU
220. Pittsburgh Steelers - @slashsteel - Tyrone Holmes, OLB, Montana
221. New England Patriots - @Groz -Rashawn Scott, WR UM



Round 7

222 Tennessee Titans - @Benns - Jay Lee, WR Baylor
223 Cleveland Browns - @Indy Kidd-Gilchrist - Anthony Brown, CB Purdue
224 San Diego Chargers - morey161 - Kwame Bell, DE Clarion University
225 Seattle Seahawks - @HeCanScoot - Jake Bendel, C UCLA
226 Jacksonville Jaguars - @SexualTebow / @AaronRodgersJewBeard - Trevone Boykin, QB TCU
227 Miami Dolphins - @Joe Joe Joecane - Brandon Williams, CB/S/RB Texas A&M
228 Denver Broncos - @porterhouse - Brandon Allen, QB Arkansas
229 Minnesota Vikings - @fiverings01 - Bryce Williams TE East Carolina
230 Chicago Bears - @bandhammer - Victor Ochi, OLB, Stoney Brook
231 Miami Dolphins - @Joe Joe Joecane - Nick Kwiatkoski, LB, West Virginia
232 Buffalo Bills - @Greentree All-American - Lawrence Nile Stample, DL, FSU
233 Philadelphia Eagles - @VerbalKintCane - D.J. Pettway, DE, Alabama
234 Oakland Raiders - @CANS - Herb Waters, WR Miami
235 Denver Broncos - @porterhouse - Keenan Reynolds, RB/OW Navy
236 Detroit Lions - @Glage - Ronald Blair, DE Appalachian State
237 New Orleans Saints - @Barboni - LaShaun Sims CB Southern Utah
238 Atlanta Falcons - @canesmang1 - matt hegarty OG Oregon
239 Indianapolis Colts - @WhatTheHell / @AaronRodgersJewBeard - Vernon Adams, QB Eastern Washington
240 Minnesota Vikings - @fiverings01 - Evan Boehm C Missouri
241 New York Jets - @VinnDogg - Davonte Allen, WR, Marshall
242 Washington Redskins - @Warning - Anthony Zettel DE Penn St
243 New England Patriots - @Groz - Morgan Burns, KSU
244 Minnesota Vikings - @fiverings01 - Kavon Frazier S Central Michigan
245 Cincinnati Bengals - DCH - Jordan Walsh, G Iowa
246 Washington Redskins - @Warning - Ken Crawley, CB Colorado
247 Seattle Seahawks - @HeCanScoot - Cody Core, WR Ole Miss
248 Green Bay Packers - @Bran - Devante Bond, LB - Oklahoma
249 Seattle Seahawks - @HeCanScoot - De'Vondre Campbell, OLB, Minnesota
250 New England Patriots - @Groz - Cody Kessler, QB Southern California
251 Philadelphia Eagles - @VerbalKintCane - Tevin Carter, S, Utah
252 Carolina Panthers - @Winky is Wright - Jacob Coker, QB Alabama
253 Denver Broncos - @porterhouse - Dan Vitale, FB Northwestern

[Gray Fox]

Eagles just traded up to #2.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000654501/article/eagles-acquire-no-2-overall-draft-pick-from-browns

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Philadelphia will receive a 2017 fourth-round pick along with the No. 2 pick in exchange for five picks. The five picks Philly gave up are the No. 8, No. 77 (third round) and No. 100 (fourth round) selections in this year's draft, along with next year's first-round pick and a second-round pick in 2018.

They must really love Wentz/Goff.

Also, we might end up with Tunsil. Chargers would take Ramsey and the Cowboys and Jags don't need O-Line help.

Christ, if we end up with the best tackle in the draft at number 6 we've done amazingly well.

Tunsil (who I thought we had no chance of getting), Ramsey (hardly any chance of him falling that far) or Buckner please :drool:

[Dan]

Browns will waste all those picks & RG3 will be injured by week three :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Browns will waste all those picks & RG3 will be injured by week three :drool:

It's going to be fucking glorious.

I bet Hue Jackson is going to love RG3's 9 and a half inch hands wrapped around his cock :happycry:

[Gray Fox]

We gave up a lot, but we must really like what we saw in Wentz or Goff. The latter supposedly had a killer pro day.

I have no idea which one I or we will prefer. Either way this is one excited Eagles fan.

[Gray Fox]

Panthers have just taken away the Franchise Tag from Josh Norman. He's technically a free agent now. He's going to get seriously paid here.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000654674/article/panthers-rescind-franchise-tag-on-josh-norman

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's huge.

They must surely get some compensation if he gets signed now with no tag? Or maybe it's just a case of them deciding to lower their cap rate by a lot instead of keeping him for a year.

Jags are still over $50m under the cap :cab: so will probably pay him a mountain of cash.

If they do indeed get him and then go for Jack or Bosa their defence would be solid.

[Giggles]

We gave up a lot, but we must really like what we saw in Wentz or Goff. The latter supposedly had a killer pro day.

I have no idea which one I or we will prefer. Either way this is one excited Eagles fan.

Law of averages is that one of them is going to be shit, so just hope the Rams choose badly.

[Browning]

So they now have no pick until round 3 next year just to move up 6 spots and get whichever QB the Rams decide is shit?

Idiots.

[Gray Fox]

Current consensus is that Goff is being taken by the Rams while we will take Wentz. I'm honestly happy to see either even if it will be odd not seeing them play for a year or two.

In Josh Norman news, he's visiting the Redskins today with the 49ers the other team lining him up. I'd love him at Washington. He'd make the NFC East better and watching him and Beckham go at it twice a year would be awesome.

[Browning]

NFL.com have done a Game of Thrones mock draft now.... :D

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000654646/season-6-game-of-thrones-mock-draft

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

5 years, $75m with $50m guaranteed is what the Redskins have paid for Norman.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000655390/article/josh-norman-signs-5year-75m-deal-with-redskins

I didn't think the Redskins had the cap so thought it would be a shootout between the Jags and Niners.

[Browning]

They don't, so that'll be interesting.

Still, means that's another big name I get to see at Wembley.

[Ian]

Aren't big-money free agent cornerbacks notoriously risky? Or am I just thinking of a couple of high-profile relative disappointments (or just making stuff up altogether)?

[Giggles]

Most Redskins free agents are anyway.

[Ian]

I never saw this at the time.
http://www.theonion.com/graphic/report-albert-haynesworth-just-a-mound-of-ice-crea-17976

:D

[Gray Fox]

Heads up to anyone jersey hunting, the US NFL store has some Elite jerseys(normally $300) reduced down to around $20. Obviously the players on them have all left their teams, but if you don't mind that it's a great way to get a top quality shirt for next to fuck all.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No Ravens ones :(

Jerseys with old names are great, I remember once seeing a kid have Sheringham 10 on his shirt. However Sheringham had just left for United so he used marker to cross his name out and write Ferdinand just underneath.

[Gray Fox]

I wouldn't mind a Murray one. Obviously his time with us wasn't great, but I'm never likely to pay £200+ for a shirt.

[The Bruce]

The Redskins :lol:

Fat Albert Mk II

[Gray Fox]

Most of those very reduced elite jerseys have gone. Managed to get the black alternate Murray jersey in a size 44. Had i more money, there's another selection knocked down to half price with a Saints Graham jersey included. But either way I got a £200+ jersey for £34.

I think that's me done on NFL gear for a bit. I'll have to wait to see if they have pop up shops at the International Series.

[Gray Fox]

Brady is banned for 4 games again.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

At the Cardinals and then home games against the Dolphins, Texans and Bills.

They'll lose against Arizona but be fine against the others.

[Gray Fox]

Shits going down in Philly.

Sam Bradford has supposedly requested a trade from the team.

EDIT: I will say this is mere weeks after us giving him £11m as a signing bonus. He's obviously unhappy at the draft decision but I guess now we have to shift him. (HI Denver :D)

[Foe]

Shits going down in Philly.

Sam Bradford has supposedly requested a trade from the team.

EDIT: I will say this is mere weeks after us giving him £11m as a signing bonus. He's obviously unhappy at the draft decision but I guess now we have to shift him. (HI Denver :D)

I really don't understand what the Eagles are doing. Chip kelly dismantled their roster and they've decided to throw away their draft philosophy to presumably pick up yet another qb.

Can understand what bradfords agent will have told him. "They obviously don't rate you long term and expect you to teach your successor. They've tied you down to guaranteed money and have already thrown away draft picks to prevent one of the other qb needing teams to get one of the "top" qbs. They're not going to be able to improve the roster so you'll have some serious shit around you.

The Broncos are still looking for a quarterback and don't stand much chance getting one of the top guys in the draft. We can work this to get you a move to a championship team."

If the Eagles take a qb then that's a horrible position to step into. Hi guys. I have no experience but both of your time here is limited because I'm the second pick in the draft. Teach me how to be a pro.

[Gray Fox]

It is a little odd to be fair, to sign up a starter and then bring in a back up that the coach obviously thinks highly of. You can only imagine the situation when we signed him was one of being unable to trade up at that point.

I firmly believe the Browns only traded away due to them knowing they wont get the QB they want after the Rams pick. I've said before that Goff moved himself up to the the top of the draft with his by all accounts, outstanding pro day.

This could still work out in our favour. Assuming Denver would be interested we could grab a draft pick back that we just lost.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I thought they traded down because they believed that the Rams would take Wentz who was their target as Hue Jackson wasn't a fan of Goff.

I think it works well for them though, they can get better in other areas for the long term but still fail enough to grab a QB next year. I've heard that Deshaun Watson and Brad Kaaya are better than Goff/Wentz.

Also, 2017 seems to be the year of the mental names. Looking at some stuff about potential draftees next year and there is JuJu Smith-Schuster, Jabrill Peppers, Tre'Davious White, Adoree Jackson, Malachi Dupre, Nick Chubb (lol), Armani Watts, Raekwon McMillan, Davon Godchaux and many more.

[Gray Fox]

I thought they traded down because they believed that the Rams would take Wentz who was their target as Hue Jackson wasn't a fan of Goff.

This. The hands size thing(which is ridiculous) is putting them off apparently, which will be the reason they traded.

I watched a couple games of Watson last year. He looks good but I feel he tries to run too much. Then again I've said that about Cam before and he killed it for 99.9% of last season.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000656080/article/johnny-manziel-indicted-in-alleged-attack-on-exgirlfriend

A Texas grand jury has indicted ex-Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel on an assault charge after his ex-girlfriend accused him of domestic violence.

The Heisman Trophy winner and former Texas A&M star was indicted Tuesday on a charge of misdemeanor assault related to family violence. The Class A misdemeanor carries up to one year in jail and a $4,000 fine.

I'm so glad.

Also, I've been hearing rumours of the Chargers taking either Buckner or Stanley.

They really are the wildcard in that top 10.

[Gray Fox]

And goodbye football career. Had his chances so I really have no sympathy.

[Ian]

When there were some rumours that Denver wanted him (based not so much on us making a real move for him but based on Elway apparently having liked him previously) I was briefly desperate for us to announce the Kaepernick signing just to nip that little fucker in the bud.

A deeply unpleasant young man.

[Dan]

Also, I've been hearing rumours of the Chargers taking either Buckner or Stanley.

They really are the wildcard in that top 10.

Yeah, what they do (and to a lesser extent Dallas at 4) will be huge in determining how the top 10-15 picks go. Can see San Diego taking Buckner, Ramsey or Tunsil, and trading down is apparently a possibility too. As for Dallas, Bosa & Elliott are the most likely two, but Ramsey could be an option if the Chargers don't take him, and it's not inconceivable that they trade down either, especially as we're being linked to Paxton Lynch now & we'd probably need to get in ahead of San Francisco to be sure he's still there.

Personally I'd like to see us take a defensive end in R1, and then a DT & Thomas Duarte in the next two rounds, to give us a bit more pass rush & another TE that could do what Jimmy Graham used to do for us. DT would probably depend on where they expect Duarte to go, but even in R3 it's likely than Adolphus Washington, Sheldon Day & Javon Hargrave will be there to pick from.