The NFL Thread

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's swings and roundabouts though. I remember my first full season watching (2010) and the NFC West were rancid and the Seahawks took it 7-9 and the first team to make the playoffs with a losing record. A season later the division had become one of the most competitive and the Seahawks won a Super Bowl in 2013.

Also, Lamar is out of the game on Sunday as he's tested positive. We're absolutely fucked, we have 11 (IIRC) on the Covid list along with so many injuries.

We have our 2nd choice QB (our 4th choice is his backup), our two main RB's along with most of our O-Line out as well as a smattering of defenders. Steelers are going to murder us.

[Ian]

RG3. :drool:

[phonics]

I knew something bad was coming the way the clip was setup but this was worse than anything I pictured as a possibility.

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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I'm sure they'll be using fans come the Steelers game.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Matt Patricia has been fired.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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rip.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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That's 20 on the list so far (some are close contracts_ and apparently another player tested positive this morning so that will be 21.

We'll be using fans to fill out the 53 come Tuesday.

[Browning]

Royce Freeman at QB :cool:

[Ian]

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rip.

I saw this, and we've called up a practice squad receiver. :drool:

I assume Linday and Gordon are going to be having very busy games and that all round it's going to be a bad but morbidly fascinating time.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Mark Andrews has now tested positive.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Call me crazy but I don't think Hinton is good as a QB.

[Ian]

Yeah this isn't even comedically bad, it's just "I feel sorry for him" bad. He's woefully underequipped for this and it's just painful watching him having to go through it.

[niko_cee]

Led to a pretty pacey game though.

More interceptions than completions is a brilliant stat.

[Browning]

Still better then Manning’s final year.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Dobbins and Ingram are now eligible for the game :)

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Unreal catch.

[Gray Fox]

Brb ordering Hurts jersey and boarding the hype train.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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That is absolute horseshit.

[phonics]

I’m so mad at that ending. That game deserved a better finish.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What a mental game. Absolutely incredible.

A better finish? They weren't going to go down the field and score a TD, it was all about giving LORD Justin Tucker the greatest kicker of all time a chance and he easily wrapped it up.

[phonics]

What a mental game. Absolutely incredible.

A better finish? They weren't going to go down the field and score a TD, it was all about giving LORD Justin Tucker the greatest kicker of all time a chance and he easily wrapped it up.

It’s 5am in the morning and I’m watching nfl. I don’t give a shit about tactics. I wanted to see another overtime shoot out.

The last few minutes after the Cleveland touchdown is how al football should be. Just fucking momentum.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Lamar running out on 4th and 5 after spending 30 minutes or so in the locker room (seemingly shitting his pants) to throw it to Marquise Brown who had been appalling all game for a TD was something else.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It’s 5am in the morning and I’m watching nfl. I don’t give a shit about tactics. I wanted to see another overtime shoot out.

The last few minutes after the Cleveland touchdown is how al football should be. Just fucking momentum.

An overtime shoot out?

Overtime ends with a TD so a shoot out would have been trading FG's which you just said you didn't like...

[niko_cee]

And everyone likes seeing the Browns lose.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.nfl.com/news/lions-center-frank-ragnow-dealing-with-fractured-throat

:sick:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.nfl.com/news/former-ravens-rb-lorenzo-taliaferro-passes-away-at-28

Former Ravens RB Taliaferro has died at 28.

Zo :(

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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This was a first down...

Guess the refs just love Brady too much.

[niko_cee]

And the spot was insanely generous in the first place.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

And the spot was insanely generous in the first place.

I loved the ref just casually moving it forward about 3 yards.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:drool:

Derrick Henry has some competition.

[Ian]

I do like it when a lineman gets the ball and the first poor mook tries to do a normal tackle on them.

[Spoonsky]

I’m sat in the airport watching the Cardinals and the Eagles. How is Larry Fitzgerald still playing in the NFL?

[Ian]

Where you off to?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I’m sat in the airport watching the Cardinals and the Eagles. How is Larry Fitzgerald still playing in the NFL?

By being an absolute don.

[niko_cee]

Fairly spectacularly stupid play by the KC punt returner there.

There have been all sorts of strange rules nuances in this half.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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I'm not sure what was worse, the returner trying to take that back and failing or Anzalone jumping on it with such force that the ball flies out of the endzone.

[phonics]

can someone explain the whole Jets/Trevor Lawrence thing. Jets fans seem very mad but Jacksonville also won a game this year so?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

can someone explain the whole Jets/Trevor Lawrence thing. Jets fans seem very mad but Jacksonville also won a game this year so?

https://dknation.draftkings.com/2020/12/20/22192469/nfl-draft-order-tiebreaker-procedures-strength-of-schedule-coin-flip-jets-jaguars-2021

[Gray Fox]

can someone explain the whole Jets/Trevor Lawrence thing. Jets fans seem very mad but Jacksonville also won a game this year so?

Worst team determined by record gets 1st pick. 1st pick this year will be Trevor Lawrence, who is rated as a generational talent at QB. If you lose every game and finish 0-16, then you'll guarantee yourselves 1st pick.

By winning at the weekend they drop to #2 below the Jaguars, who would also take Lawrence. The Jags will now lose the rest of the years games on purpose to be sure of him.

In short, the Jets fans could cope with them being shit for a while to get a very good player. Now they've even fucked that up.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Taz likes his style.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Don

[phonics]

Worst team determined by record gets 1st pick. 1st pick this year will be Trevor Lawrence, who is rated as a generational talent at QB. If you lose every game and finish 0-16, then you'll guarantee yourselves 1st pick.

By winning at the weekend they drop to #2 below the Jaguars, who would also take Lawrence. The Jags will now lose the rest of the years games on purpose to be sure of him.

In short, the Jets fans could cope with them being shit for a while to get a very good player. Now they've even fucked that up.

But they have the same record?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jaguars take it as their strength of schedule is tougher than the Jets.

[phonics]

What a fucking stupid system.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's obviously shit but it's better than the NBA's lottery and it's hard to come up with tiebreakers when each team only plays 16 games and they don't all play each other.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.nfl.com/news/seahawks-wr-josh-gordon-out-indefinitely-as-he-did-not-satisfy-conditional-reins

Josh Gordon suspended again.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This game is shit.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The last 2 minutes or so of this game...

[phonics]

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:D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Mason Rudolph starting against the Browns.

Garrett v Rudolph II :drool:

[Ian]

I missed it at the time but I was reading an SI article after the Haskins release and it said that he got a lot of heat (and rightly so) during the pummelling WFT took against Baltimore because he found out he was on 300 yards and the whole bench heard him celebrating that.

That's not something that's unfixable but it doesn't say much about his priorities in this stint. Release might do him good though I dunno who'll pick him up just now. Anybody got a settled but old first choice who might fancy a project?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He wont get picked up this season, especially with the Covid restrictions.

He'll have to get a job as a third/fourth QB at a team during the off-season and hope to impress enough to take the backup job.

Bookies have the Steelers as the favourites to sign him which I could see. Rofflesburger is out of contract next season and Dobbs is gone at the end of this season and Rudolph hasn't looked great.

[Dan]

From what I’ve heard it sounds like he’s always been hyper confident, to the point of Urban Meyer actively refusing to praise him at Ohio State so he didn’t get even more big headed :D Seems like he’s just always thought he was good enough & would make it without any effort, but hopefully now he’ll knuckle down a bit.

Does kinda seem like he’s in the dying QB archetype of guys who can’t move or play off script though, so I’d be surprised to see him end up any better off than a Josh Rosen type run.

CFP semi finals are tonight, so looking forward to a good game between Clemson & Ohio State and Alabama dicking Notre Dame & pulling their starters in the fourth quarter.

[Foe]

My sky threw the towel in inexplicably yesterday when I returned. Ironic given I specifically returned to record and watch these games. :moop:

Hoping for decent games and spoiler free re runs tomorrow I can pick up.

Bama should absolutely smash notre dame.

[Foe]

Please tell me someone else just saw that harris hurdle live?

Jesus Christ.

Game over.

[phonics]

I’ve watched 2 college football games ever and I’ve just realised both of them have been this Trevor Lawrence kid having his shit pushed in both times. Are we sure he’s good?

[Gray Fox]

I believe this loss takes him to a 34-2 college record, which is still outstanding. The first loss he did admittedly stink it up, but this one isn't so much on him. He can't help being flattened and seeing his defence concede 50 points.

He was one of the best ever rated prospects out of school. Sometimes it doesn't translate over to the NFL, but I think he'll be good. He's going to a team that's essentially starting afresh anyway, so they can build the franchise around him.

[Foe]

Tua has absolutely imploded today.

The dolphins might have actually made the playoffs had they just stuck the course with fitz.

[Foe]

Trevor will be just fine in the NFL as a #1 overall pick.

Justin fields is the more interesting prospect. Will be be Kyler murray levels of good dual threat. Or manziel levels of failure.

What he did to Clemson with his arm over the weekend makes me think he’s legit.

[niko_cee]

Would have been a fitting end to the NFC East there if the Giants had turned that over with that idiotic fumble there.

Untold levels of shitness.

Being lazy, how is a 7/14 team play-off going to work?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

One team from each conference is on a bye next week.

[Gray Fox]

Would have been a fitting end to the NFC East there if the Giants had turned that over with that idiotic fumble there.

Untold levels of shitness.

Being lazy, how is a 7/14 team play-off going to work?

1 more team and 1 less bye. Extra wildcard game essentially.

The Giants are stupid though. Eagles are tanking the Washington game hard to ensure we pick at #6 or better. I believe now only Houston winning would improve our pick. As for the Giants they were picking inside the top 10, but now they'll be around 11 or 12.

[phonics]

At this point should I just be watching the Football Team v Philadelphia game as it basically decides the NFC? I can't tell which games are important.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30625166/live-updates-nfl-playoff-picture-scenarios-updated-chances-clinch-more-week-17

This gives you the live scenarios for each team.

[Gray Fox]

At this point should I just be watching the Football Team v Philadelphia game as it basically decides the NFC? I can't tell which games are important.

The Eagles will be trying their best to lose.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Texans lead!!!

If the Colts win too we're playing them next week.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This game is batshit.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Knowing this game the kicker will push it wide.

Edit: I thought he fucked it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

So the playoffs...

AFC:

Browns v Steelers
Colts v Bills
Ravens v Titans

Chiefs - BYE

NFC:

Rams v Seahawks
Bears v Saints
Buccaneers v Football Team OR Giants

Packers - BYE.

[Dan]

The Eagles will be trying their best to lose.
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You were correct.

[Foe]

Playoffs start today for all those interested.

First game must kick off at 6, coverage starts at half 5.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

One ref thinking that Hilton caught that :harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That defender is a fool for jumping.

There's absolutely no chance that ball is being snapped.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Zach Pascal :harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Refs are on the take, he clearly got back up and then fumbled it.

[phonics]

Is there anything more frustrating than the good stream that goes down constantly but with just enough of a gap between going down that you go back to doing what you were doing?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Outside of the great TD pass, Russ has been dogshit.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Incredible.

[niko_cee]

Refs are on the take, he clearly got back up and then fumbled it.

Refs were on the take, but mostly in favour of the Bills. As much as the refs can decide a game with about 2 penalties in the whole thing. All those sideline catches at the end of the first half with the ruling on the field standing, then the microscope coming out to rule out that interception (I appreciate this is the somewhat morononic way the league has gone with that issue). I was amazed that non-fumble didn't get overturned, but even the mechanism for that, and giving Buffalo back their timeout seemed stacked in their favour. Was a good game. Glad the Bills got it done, but the Colts probably deserved the win, they just left too much on the field. Allen's attempted game losing sack/fumble effort deep in the 4th was quite funny/traumatic. Are you allowed to put your foot through the ball when it's on the ground like that and chase it?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Those stats Sky Sports just put up and incredible.

589 teams have made the playoffs.

This Titans defence is ranked 588th for PPG, 586th for total YPG, 583rd for pass YPG and 585th for sacks.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Marcus Peters!!!!!!!!

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

18 carries for 40 yards with his longest run being 8 yards.

"King" Henry has been dethroned.

[Foe]

I mean he rushed for 2k two years on the trot taking the rushing title on both occasions.

That was a pretty weak Tennessee performance though and they didn’t deserve anything out the game.

Would like to see a Raven chiefs game and a bills steelers matchup.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

1.5k last year.

[Foe]

Yeah totally made that stat up, two rushing titles on the trot though.

Lamar is so fucking dangerous wriggling out the pocket. Needs to keep getting better with his arm though, some real dodge throws again today.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Obviously the pick was a terrible throw but outside of that? He went 17/24 which is perfectly acceptable and I can only remember 1 that was thrown a little low in the endzone which was almost picked.

I think the biggest thing in this game was that Greg Roman didn't panic when Titans jumped out to a 10 point lead. Last year the same happened and he basically stopped all running plays which took so much away from us.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Wims with that drop...

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[niko_cee]

Yeah, that was a shocking drop.

[Ian]

Yeah I don't care who wins this but I still let out an "Oh noooo" when that fell through his hands.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This game is, unsurprisingly, shit.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Although slime is exactly what NFL needed.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Great start by the Steelers :harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This game is mental.

[niko_cee]

lol at the Steelers.

Got what they deserved. Should have put the Browns to sleep last week.

[Ian]

The Browns. :drool:

And the Bills winning a playoff game the same weekend. What a time to be alive.

[Foe]

Happy for the browns.. and the eagles shit show creates a qb and coaching quandary.

Wentz, hurts or the #6 pick. Who’s the starter and who’s the new top brass.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It seems that Doug wanted rid of Wentz but Howie was adamant that Carson had to stay.

[Gray Fox]

Doug all season said he wouldn't bench Wentz because it was a sign that they'd given up on the season and on him. I suppose the move makes sense from the owners point of view. He's tied to a relatively large contract he's I think 1 year into. That said it has been reported by a couple of beat writers that it isn't actually all that bad if they shift him.

It does bring up a good "where do you go from here?" situation now. Jalen Mills, Jason Peters, Vinny Curry, Alshon Jeffery and DeSean Jackson are all likely out in the summer and it looks likely Ertz will follow too and they're all starters. The latter was hopeful of a deal last summer but either sides valuation of him didn't meet and he was told negotiations would not continue during the season.

The QB situation is interesting. Hurts looked good every game but the one we didn't want to win, but is that enough to decide to go with him? We know Wentz has the talent in there, but what's stopping it? He was the bomb under Frank Reich so maybe look to a coach to get the best of him as well as a HC?

It also depends what we get for Wentz. At pick #6 there's scope for getting involved in this years QB debate if they really wanted to. Getting rid of Wentz also pretty much gives the new HC a clean slate to build from.
Personally I'd keep him and see if we can fix whatever was wrong with him. There's early talks of DeVonta Smith being taken at #6 and if we can get in some other WR help, that can only be good for the offense. But we could go a hell of a lot of ways from pick #6.

[Foe]

Eagles need o line help too don’t they?

There’s a few teams in a bit of a mess and it always seems a bit of a gamble with a WR in the top 10.

Watched bama steam roll Ohio state last night and it wasn’t even a contest. Mac jokes as a 1 year started being described as a late first rounder caught me a little off guard. He had the best o line in the country, a monster WR and an elite RB IN Harris.

[Gray Fox]

Eagles need help in every position to be fair Foe. There's only a few big game players left now. Cox and Slay are top talents and Sanders and Kelce are also very good but there's not that much beyond them.

The QB situation needs solving soon though and with the Jets apparently now not taking a QB and looking to trade it away there's scope for us to do something, whether ourselves we trade up/down or we look at someone like Fields.

There's also a pretty good article on how we got here which is largely accurate to how I understand everything that's gone on.

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/carson-wentz-eagles-regression-doug-pederson-press-taylor-howie-roseman-20210116.html

[Dan]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/01/16/texans-chaos-deshaun-watson-unhappy-how-jack-easterby-kept-his-job

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The work they've put in to absolutely decimating their franchise is seriously impressive.

[Ian]

Is the Watson stuff entirely down to them saying they'd consult him over hires and then not doing it?

Like, fine, be annoyed but they're not paying you tens of millions of dollars a year to run their franchise at the end of the day.

[Browning]

Them trading away the best WR in the league for fuck all and completely wasting a year of his career probably didn't help either.

[Gray Fox]

He and JJ were caught saying to each other they weren't happy they'd wasted a year of their prime.

He also only heard Hopkins was gone on Twitter. Not surprised he doesn't want to stay there when they are clearly clueless.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That was gutting (bar a miracle comeback).

Clear that we need O-Linemen. All the centers on the team cannot snap to save their life and we've focused so much on RUN that only Stanley (and Orlando Brown to an extent) can pass protect. Titans who couldn't pass rush at all in the season were feasting last week and the Bills were basically camped in our backfield tonight.

I think following on from that, Greg Roman needs to be let go. He did well last season in developing Lamar but the team needed to evolve a bit this season which it did not. We've become one dimensional (as evidenced by just bringing in O-Lineman who are good at run blocking and not much else) and if you can take that away, like the Bills have done, then we're nothing. We need someone to come in and help Lamar progress as a passer so we're better equipped when losing or the run game is being shut down.

I also think we need WR's. I think Marquise Brown has had some bad moments this season but he seems to have recovered fairly well after catching that 4th and whatever for a TD during the mental Browns game. However, he is not a WR1 and we need someone to take that title to help the other WRs.

[Dan]

I’ve seen people mocking Baltimore Kyle Pitts, which seems both absolutely disgusting & completely unnecessary.

[Foe]

Imagine that two TE set with mark Andrew’s, Lamar and the various runners and then Hollywood brown just told to go deep.

Ravens are totally one dimensional though as Mahow says. Until Lamar is a legit danger with his arm to the sidelines the other teams will scheme him out. He’s so damned good he can overcome that sometimes, but when it doesn’t work, there’s no plan B.

Happy for the bills though. They’ve gotten so much better in the years I’ve been watching. Must be satisfying having Josh Allen’s cannon rather than trying to grind it out with tyrod.

[Ian]

Mon the Broons.

[Shindig]

I assume BBC has the rights for the Superbowl this year? It'll be the first time watching live for about 8 years.

[Ian]

Yeah, they normally have it and do the worst of all available broadcasts.

[phonics]

‘The blue tent’ is so funny.

Honestly I’ve found the nfl/nba streams more consistent than the football ones are. Nflbite is what you’re looking for.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's so Browns.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

MVPAT clearly knocked out there.

[phonics]

After a td or fg Can someone explain to a euro why they kick off after an FG/TD. Why wouldn’t you just kick the entire field so they can’t return it every time?

What is considered a good kick?

[Ian]

Well the dream is that you kick it high and just around the goal line so the returner dithers and thinks he can return it and you stop him anywhere short of the default start of drive position. It's just about gaining whatever yards you can here and there.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You also don't want to smash it out of bounds (unlike punts) as that's a foul and rather than starting at the 25 the receiving team will start at the 40 yard line.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What a run by Henne that was.

[Ian]

Sad for the Browns but fair play to Andy Reid there, that was ballsy.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's such a Browns drive.

[niko_cee]

Andy Reid is a total madman.

[niko_cee]

There is a level of genius to it though. They fake fake sold that last play so well that no one actually thought they were going to snap it.

Nobody move, they're just trying to draw us offside, oh shit.

[Ian]

Yeah, it's one of those where he obviously gets called out as a mong if it fails but when it works you can appreciate both the genius and gutsiness of it, including how the players executed it as you say.

Reminds me.of Payton opening the second half of the Super Bowl against Manning's Colts with an inside kick. Proper "so crazy it just might work" stuff.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

There is a level of genius to it though. They fake fake sold that last play so well that no one actually thought they were going to snap it.

Nobody move, they're just trying to draw us offside, oh shit.

Especially as it's only Chad Henne at QB...

[Spoonsky]

It’s a dual of Hall of Fame quarterbacks and the best throw is made by Jameis Winston. :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It’s a dual of Hall of Fame quarterbacks and the best throw is made by Jameis Winston. :cool:

Oh deer.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Brees is completely washed up. He can't even throw for 15 yards.

[Spoonsky]

Yeah, they should have kept Jameis on.

[Foe]

Brees is completely washed up. He can't even throw for 15 yards.

He had issues a few years ago with a shoulder I think and looked horrendous, but he bounced back.

He had a poor game and unfortunately it’s probably his last. They had a good window the last few years and gave it a good bash, but came up short. Hell of a career though and hall of fame bound.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He wont get picked up this season, especially with the Covid restrictions.

He'll have to get a job as a third/fourth QB at a team during the off-season and hope to impress enough to take the backup job.

Bookies have the Steelers as the favourites to sign him which I could see. Rofflesburger is out of contract next season and Dobbs is gone at the end of this season and Rudolph hasn't looked great.

https://www.nfl.com/news/dwayne-haskins-set-to-visit-with-steelers-today

Signing today.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Texans want the number 1 pick next year.

[Foe]

For who? The dude from North Carolina?

I watched way less college football this year, but all the big QBs jumped with fields, Lawrence..

Seems odd for him to get launched in with little experience. He’s been coaching high school has he not?

Jim Caldwell wasn’t bad at Detroit. They took a huge step back when they moved on, assuming they could do better.

Surprised bienemy hasn’t landed. Urban Meyer was left field, and the other hires caught me by surprise a bit too as the coordinators talked up remain in the wind.

[Foe]

And now it’s all but confirmed Stafford is on the move.

Lots of talk the colts would be the move, but many other avenues available..

Patriots?
Washington?
49ers?
Cowboys?

[Ian]

I wonder if Denver will show any interest. I imagine they'd love to make a play for Watson but that ain't gonna happen.

[Gray Fox]

Colts should bite the hands off either the Texans or Lions. The rest of the team is good enough to challenge for titles.

I see Stafford as a good fit for Bill. Assuming he's cheaper than Watson by some way, which I expect, then he could concentrate on improving his WRs.

49ers I see as similar to the Colts but maybe not quite as ready to win the big game. However having either of those 2 guys would open up the "downfield" section of their playbook.
The Football Team would be a good shout. Good young defence there as well as a great young WR/TE combo. Could push them on.

I'm not sure I see the Cowboys getting involved.

[Foe]

Yeah I was just punting teams around that have uncertainty at qb.

The cowboys / dak relationship is uncertain.

Similar questions for Denver as noted.

Hadn’t twigged Atlanta had then fourth overall pick. Could this be the beginning of the end for Matt Ryan too?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Texans/Bills could also do a swap deal.

[Foe]

Just realised he grew up in Dallas, Texas. So yeah, he might be interested in Dallas or Houston.

No way the lions would ship him to the bears.

[niko_cee]

Since when have play-off wins gone into team records? I'm not having the Bills (15-3) v Chiefs (15-2) or has that always been a thing? Regular season record only, shirley?

[Ian]

I wondered about that too so if they've always done it we're both idiots.

[niko_cee]

It looks wrong doesn't it?

I get it when it's '17-0' etc, but I had never really thought it was a thing outside of that.

Is 17-0 even a perfect season if you can theoretically go 18-0 (I appreciate the theoretical underpinnings of that claim may be a bit sketchy)?

[Ian]

The only way I want to see it is if it's "New England Patriots (18-1)."

[niko_cee]

Yeah, I was getting mixed up with season lengths there. I meant 20-0. Could that be done? You'd have win your division (as it would be impossible not to), but be in a conference with two other perfect teams to get into the wild card round.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

One other now.

Not impossible but highly unlikely.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Can both teams lose this?

[niko_cee]

:D

It is a bit like that.

I'd normally be all over Tampa Bay, but not with their roster of total dickheads. But then, Green Bay? The cheeseheads? Ugh.

[Ian]

Don't worry lads, who wins this is just fodder for the Bills in the Owl anyway.

[niko_cee]

The sad thing is that either of these will probably rinse said [bottling] Bills in the big one and it is genuinely hard to choose which would be the least bad option. But you can never really go with Brady et al so you just have to go with the Chiefs (as they'll probably win and it'd be a lot less traumatizing to see them lose if they don't).

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This is some start.

[Foe]

Concerned this bucs team is actually going to win it all.

They’re just loaded with talent.

Home field for the title game too.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They wont even win this game.

I guarantee it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm feeling a little less sure about that guarantee now tbh.

[phonics]

I'm sorry but how do you have a game where a regular penalty involves not having the right amount of people on the field?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Because a team doesn't have to register substitutions with an official.

A team can rotate constantly and will do so especially when a team is running no huddle (so fast tempo to try and tire the other team out) and this can cause teams to lose which set of people are on the field.

[Ian]

I thought Rodgers had space to run there and I think taking the field goal is a bad decision. Don't put the game in Brady's hands by choice.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He absolutely had space.

I don't get them not going for it either.

[Waffdon]

I don’t watch much but Buccaneers have got all the decisions

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Whilst that's technically the correct call they've let those types of pulls go all day.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I don’t watch much but Buccaneers have got all the decisions

That's the Brady factor.

[Ian]

The guarantee. :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Aikman giving it the whole "What a story" in regards to Brady coming to Tampa :sick:

Disgusting.

[Gray Fox]

If the Bills don't win tonight this is a disaster.

[niko_cee]

Top brains trust work going for the FG at the end there. I mean, what were they thinking?

[niko_cee]

Also, I like the Bucs D and all [credit goes to them, not Brady], but they must have been holding on 90% of the plays tonight.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Brady being an anti-masker...

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Hardman :harold:

[phonics]

How does a kicker miss a field goal. It seems setup to be impossible.

[phonics]

That guy who dropped the obvious floater should just be fired, right?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Chiefs/Bucs, ugh.

I feel sick.

[Ian]

Has Gamepass always shown you the score of the game before you go in to choose to rewatch or see condensed highlights, etc.? I feel like I used to be able to get to a game I'd not seen and watch the condensed while keeping the score unspoiled. Annoying. I don't care about watching them when I know the score.

Looking at the stat line (especially the rushing numbers) it looks like Allen was basically having to try and do it himself last night.

[Browning]

I’m fairly certain it wasn’t spoiling scores during the regular season.

[Ian]

There was definitely a Broncos game the same happened at the back end of the season. Maybe there's another way you can get to them safely but when I checked today even on the front page it had the Bills/Chiefs score there.

[Browning]

I use the app on a fire stick but both play off games simply say “completed”.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Has Gamepass always shown you the score of the game before you go in to choose to rewatch or see condensed highlights, etc.? I feel like I used to be able to get to a game I'd not seen and watch the condensed while keeping the score unspoiled. Annoying. I don't care about watching them when I know the score.

Looking at the stat line (especially the rushing numbers) it looks like Allen was basically having to try and do it himself last night.
Chiefs were using a lot of different blitzes.

[Gray Fox]

Brady v Mahomes will forever be sickening.

The saving grace for the Chiefs is I'll forever have a soft spot for Andy Reid. As for the Bucs, I guess Evans deserves a ring for how good he is.

[niko_cee]

Finally caught up on the late game last night. Always thought [feared] Buffalo had that sort of shitshow in them so glad they didn't save it for Brady and Co in the owl. Not that they were all that bad, but KC were absolutely phenomenal after giving up the obligatory early lead. The Bills had absolutely no answers on defence. Anyone hating on an Andy Reid team needs taking out and shooting and unless Brady suffers some sort of freak Ronaldo Euro final style early injury then all that is holy has to be rooting for the Chiefs to absolutely ruin the Bucs.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Andy Reid is likeable, the rest of the team really isn't.

Led by captain cunto Tyreek Hill.

[Ian]

As much as I would like somebody to kick Hill's head in and I shouldn't be supporting the Chiefs I simply cannot root for Brady so it's going to have to be begrudgingly supporting KC for me.

[niko_cee]

Hopefully he goes into pick mode again, although I guess Tampa will lean heavily on their O-Line and Fournette for the most part.

It would be a genuinely fascinating game if they just had someone like Fitzmagic [pirate beard and all] at the helm rather than Brady. I didn't watch their wild card game, but the past two have been entirely won by their defence.

[Gray Fox]

I'll go one further than Mahow. It's not actually the Chiefs themselves that grate on me(except for scumbag Hill), it's the wankathon that now follows them. Mahomes will make a simple 10 yard pass but because he did it sidearm let's talk about it for the rest of the game.

For obvious reasons I love and miss Andy Reid. But I look at the Bucs and think there's little there that makes me want them to win. Bruce Arians probably deserves a ring as does someone as good as Evans, but I think I fall on the Chiefs side of the fence by some way.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Woah.

[neo_hippy]

As a Rams fan I'm pretty happy with that

Its a big upgrade on a big weakness for a team that otherwise would be a contender.

We are good at day 2 and 3 drafting too, so its not completely selling our future away

[Foe]

I’m sure California kid goff is delighted to be heading to Michigan.

But yeah, rams making a win now statement, so fair play to them. Goff had a really good season a few ago where it was yards galore but never really looked elite.

Stafford deserves a chance at a ring and now he’ll get it.

[Browning]

7 years with no first rounder and a fuck ton of dead money from renewing shite like Goff, Gurley and Cooks... what a team.

[Dan]

That Lions offense is going to be so bad next season - they have Golladay & Jones both hitting free agency & hardly any cap space to sign anyone. They're pretty much locked in to taking a WR at 7, otherwise it's DeAndre Swift or nothing.

[Ian]

Christ knows what any Watson deal is gonna look like if that's where we're setting the bar.

[Foe]

Problem for Houston is they’d just be claiming back the picks sent for tunsil. That was two number 1s. One of which turns out to be #3.

They’re going to dig in and hold Watson I think. Nobody will give up what it’s worth to get him back.

Unless Miami are super cheeky and offer them their #3 back for Watson as part of another qb exchange.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It would take more than the 3rd pick in the draft and Tua for Watson.

Both their first rounders, a second and maybe even a first/second next year too.

[Foe]

Absolutely.

It’s just a monstrous trade proposition at this point given Stafford is gone. I doubt anyone bites on wentz (why would they).

[Foe]

That being said, if the Texans manage to trade away watt, Watson and Hopkins within a 1 year period I’ll be pretty pissed, regardless of the future picks they get.

Who are they building around?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Frank Reich and the Colts might bite on Wentz.

[Foe]

4th-late round pick at best at this point surely?

Massive contract. Under performed qb who appears to be second, if not third choice depending how the draft plays out.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Well he's back to first choice now anyway, isn't he?

The Eagles fired Pederson because he wanted Wentz (& Howie Roseman) gone and told the owner it was him or Carson.

[Gray Fox]

He also wanted to promote a guy to OC that Wentz did not enjoy working with, so all eggs are seemingly back in the Wentz basket.

[Foe]

So they’re going balls deep again in him again. Fair play.

Really looking forward to seeing how the colts qb scenario plays out now.

[Gray Fox]

I think the issue is more Howie.

To put this into perspective, he has a giant poster of Wentz in his office. Doug was fighting a losing battle from the start.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's looking like we're going to be trading our starting RT (who filled in at LT when Stanley got injured) Orlando Brown Jr as he has been saying on Twitter that he wants to be played at LT only and he just came out with this today:

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Which makes it sound like he's already requested a trade which he expects will happen.

He was a third round selection and under contract next year plus he's been brilliant. Obviously we don't have leverage but I think it will be a two pick deal with a first/late second and a second or third.

[Gray Fox]

Wentz is going in the coming days to the highest bidder. :uhoh:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:harold:

[Ian]

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Supposedly had alcohol and Adderall in him.

What a cunt.

[Foe]

Any GM dealing multiple (high) picks for him is taking a serious boom or bust punt on their future career.

Just pick Trey Lance in the up coming draft instead.

Colts at 21(?) should just wait it out and see who lands with them, or near them, in the draft.

If the rookies get picked, the vets become expendable. Worst case scenario you grab cam Newton or similar for a season. Best case scenario, you get Matt Ryan for a first round pick.

[Foe]

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Supposedly had alcohol and Adderall in him.

What a cunt.

He’s going to jail (again) if that’s true. Troubled man.

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[Gray Fox]

Rumour is Chicago are in and the offer is Foles, a player and a 1st round pick. Player was speculated to be Cohen but not really sure.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Anyone hating on an Andy Reid team needs taking out and shooting and unless Brady suffers some sort of freak Ronaldo Euro final style early injury then all that is holy has to be rooting for the Chiefs to absolutely ruin the Bucs.
This has aged well considering what Andy Reid's son has done.

[niko_cee]

Who gives a fuck about Andy Reid's son?

Disliking people for the acts of their offspring is a bit :cab:.

[Ian]

Yeah that'd be weird behaviour.

[Foe]

Before that story I didn’t realise he was affiliated with the club. It didn’t matter before, it doesn’t matter now. They play great football so I like them.

If you want to examine background checks of club officials with a view to forming an opinion of the club as a whole, crack on.

Tyreek hill has done some horrible shit and isn’t a great person. However, he’s a phenomenal athlete so unless the law restricts him he will play and we should appreciate that. See also Kareem hunt, expendable by Kansas, welcomed by Cleveland.

Clubs will have a PR risk vs. on field reward line for all employees. Deviate on the wrong side and pack your bags. Andy Reid’s son will likely pack his bags of guilty.

[Foe]

Rumour is Chicago are in and the offer is Foles, a player and a 1st round pick. Player was speculated to be Cohen but not really sure.

I can sort of see this from both sides and I can’t work away from it actually being a reasonable deal at both ends. A first is probably overkill, maybe a 2/3 and that’s a really decent deal. Foles can slot in as a stop gap and the eagles get another potential pass catcher to couple with sanders and Boston Scott. The bears obviously don’t rate foles/trubisky as the guy, so why not take a pop with wentz and see if does replicate his form of the super bowl season with a strong defence to back him up.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Who gives a fuck about Andy Reid's son?

Disliking people for the acts of their offspring is a bit :cab:.
Further showcases the cunt culture they have at the club.

[niko_cee]

Isn't drink driving essentially a national pastime in the US? The guy's undoubtedly an idiot, but it seems even less of a 'culture' issue than most of the wife-beating that seems to go on across the board.

[Ian]

This is a truly bizarre take on this, Mahow.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This is a truly bizarre take on this, Mahow.
Not really.

Niko's point was that you can't hate an Andy Reid team. Whilst Andy seems like a nice guy the club is full of cunts which outweigh Andy Reid's niceness factor and this is another in a long line of cuntish behaviour from a Chief.

Andy Reid = good
Chiefs = cunts.

[Ian]

No I meant disliking anybody else / the team on the basis of that individual's actions is bizarre. Hate the team all you want, no skin off my nose, but the personal actions of a linebackers coach is just reaching for reasons.

[Baz]

How likely is it that Travis Kelce will get two touchdowns?

[Gray Fox]

Reasonably likely. He's the best TE in the game in the best offence.

[Manc]

I'll be watching tonight. Is an all action affair expected?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

How likely is it that Travis Kelce will get two touchdowns?

He's only had 2 games with two TD's this season. Both against the Bills.

He hasn't had many multiple TD games in his career, however the Bucs aren't great at defending TE's.

Is it doable? Yes. Is it likely, I'm not so sure as I think the Bucs will really try to limit him as he's been so good in the playoffs thus far.

[Baz]

Might as well chance it. It’s a request a bet so lots of other factors but that seems the least likely, from my limited knowledge.

Up the Bucs!

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've gone for:

Buccaneers win
Gronk 50+ receiving yards/Bucs win
Gronk to score a TD
Fournette & Gronk to score a TD + Kelce 9+ receptions
Both teams to score 2 TD's in each half
Kelce, Evans & Fournette to score a TD.

Probably be a drab 17-10 Chiefs win now.

[phonics]

NFLBite for anyone that needs a stream

[phonics]

This is mental. That stadiums full?

[igor_balis]

This is mental. That stadiums full?

Half are cardboard cut outs I think lol

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

25k which is around 40% I believe but they've also sold cut outs.

It looks packed though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Also that Anthem rendition was shit.

[phonics]

There are way more than 25k there. They’re lying.

[wullie]

That crowd has the most realistic cardboard cutouts since Home Alone.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Last 6 Super Bowl's have been won by the team that lost the coin toss.

Chiefs are fucked.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'd love it if someone smashes the shit out of Tyreek Hill.

[igor_balis]

Had to be bloody gronk

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

A shame I only had £5 on him scoring one. It was bound to happen.

Brady will also try and give Antonio Brown one too.

Edit: £10 on Brown anytime @ 3.2

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:(

No fat boy TD.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Heh.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Chiefs are just constantly shooting themselves in the foot.

So many flags.

[igor_balis]

State of your defense chiefs

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

A shame I only had £5 on him scoring one. It was bound to happen.

Brady will also try and give Antonio Brown one too.

Edit: £10 on Brown anytime @ 3.2
:cool:

[igor_balis]

Chiefs getting dicked

[Lewis]

I understand this just enough to lol at that Kansas player mouthing off.

[niko_cee]

Pretty lol half there from KC.

Green Bay wondering where this ref crew was 2 weeks ago though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I like The Weeknd but this is really shit.

Especially when he was in the small room and the camera was going mental.

[Baz]

Better than watching Mark Chapman shift around in his chair like he’s got worms.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Better than watching Mark Chapman shift around in his chair like he’s got worms.

Yeah but at least CHAPPERS has three friends with him who are actually good.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

And so ends MVPAT.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That pass was mental, I have no idea how he managed to throw it as accurately and as powerful as he did whilst falling down.

Shame the receiver fucked it.

[Lewis]

Is the Kansas quarterback running around like a fanny because his catchers are all closed off or because his defenders can't protect him?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Is the Kansas quarterback running around like a fanny because his catchers are all closed off or because his defenders can't protect him?

Two of his offensive tackles (the fat lads trying to protect him) are injured and as such Tampa's defenders are just running past those who are having to play as they're shit.

Shaquile Barrett is one of the best at pass rushing right now and he's getting to Mahomes constantly.

[Luca]

This truly is the worst fucking sport on Earth. Unwatchable.

[Lewis]

Happy for the Glazers.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've gone for:

Buccaneers win
Gronk 50+ receiving yards/Bucs win
Gronk to score a TD
Fournette & Gronk to score a TD + Kelce 9+ receptions
Both teams to score 2 TD's in each half
Kelce, Evans & Fournette to score a TD.

Probably be a drab 17-10 Chiefs win now.

All winners (plus the in play Antonio Brown bet) bar the last 2.

£130 profit.

[Lewis]

They should present trophies to the owners in football.