The NFL Thread

[Dan]

Get out :D

Cowboys are having a really nice draft here, annoyingly.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Cowboys are really going to go into the season with Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Xavier Woods and Darian Thompson as their safeties? Yikes.

[Gray Fox]

Can't wait to see us take Fromm now.

[Gray Fox]

Or... is there anyone called Jalen left?

[Dan]

James Conner wins big from this, I'd say. McFarland is a really talented player but he's not going to beat out Conner as a lead back.

[Dan]

Or... is there anyone called Jalen left?

Jalen Elliot, safety from Notre Dame is the one I can think of that's likely to get drafted.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Even better yet, is there another QB named Jalen in the draft?

The factory needs more product.

[Foe]

Good pick that for everyone. Eason under absolutely no pressure to play and colts get a cheap look at a qb.

Pats are going to get Fromm in the 5th or 6th aren’t they?

I’d actually quite like the falcons to take him.

[Dan]

Even better yet, is there another QB named Jalen in the draft?

The factory needs more product.

Just had a look at Dane Brugler's draft guide & there's a QB from Prairie View A&M called Jalen Morton.

James Morgan going before Jake Fromm :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Just had a look at Dane Brugler's draft guide & there's a QB from Prairie View A&M called Jalen Morton.

I'm sure he's right at the top of Howie's board.

[Dan]

Good pick that for everyone. Eason under absolutely no pressure to play and colts get a cheap look at a qb.

Pats are going to get Fromm in the 5th or 6th aren’t they?

I’d actually quite like the falcons to take him.

I think it's really interesting to see the order the QBs are going (I just realised Anthony Morgan is also still on the board). Seems like athleticism is getting more & more heavily valued by the league, and all the traditional pocket guys are falling out of favour as starting options.

[Dan]

What the Heck, Houston?

Eagles actually made a pick their fans will love. Saw a lot of people asking for him.

[Gray Fox]

Well that's neither a QB nor a Jalen. Riot.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've changed from the NFL/ESPN coverage to Bleacher Report. The NFL one just talks about too much shit and is way too far behind.

[Dan]

Yeah, NFL Network/ESPN never give a fuck about the day three picks, they just talk about the round one guys & all the big pre-draft storylines.

[Foe]

Great pick at 129.

:sherlock:

[Dan]

Mekhi Becton & Cameron Clarke are going to pave open holes you could drive a car through.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Seattle planning on running 5 TE sets.

[Dan]

Falcons are doing a great job shitting it up on day three.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We're coming up.

I'd love Biadasz or Amik Robertson.

[Dan]

Kevin Dotson is a very Pittsburgh type of lineman.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

BleacherReport on Brycen Hopkins: "He's never blocked anyone in his life, even on Twitter"

:D

[Foe]

Mekhi Becton & Cameron Clarke are going to pave open holes you could drive a car through.

No e. ;)

[Foe]

Eagles might just take Fromm at the end of the 4th too, because fuck it.

[Dan]

No e. ;)

I do that every time :moop:

AFC West is going to be loaded next season.

[Giggles]

Call the cops.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Isn't Bryce Hall too slow for the Chiefs?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

lol. Someone gave Bleacher wrong info.

Instead they do get a speedy CB.

[Foe]

How on Earth have they grabbed Troy dye and James lynch?

[Dan]

Lol, Sikkema unintentionally triggering all of draft Twitter :D Chiefs actually took L'Jarius Sneed, who is absolutely fast enough for the Chiefs.

Amik is such a Raider. Him & Jon Abram scrapping with everyone :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Raiders take Amik :(

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Guard it is then.

Happy.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Looks like a mean run blocker.

[Dan]

DeeJay Dallas is a nice fit for the Seahawks.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bleacher are slamming the Eagles for the Driscoll pick.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Cowboys with a steal.

[Dan]

Stop it Dallas :moop:

[Giggles]

Payton looks rough as fuck.

[Dan]

Didn't even notice Khalid Kareem & Shane Lemieux hadn't gone yet.

Chargers getting their Travis Benjamin replacement in Joe Reed.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Kenny Robinson :cool:

[Dan]

Robinson & Chinn is a nice safety duo, especially when you then add in Tre Boston on top. Matt Rhule going hard on defence with his first draft - I guess they did go mostly offence in free agency though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Matt Breida to the Dolphins.

[Dan]

Ooh, Brieda to the Dolphins is pretty fun.

[Dan]

RIP the stream :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Taking a tackle with the pick is strange.

[Dan]

Jake Fromm UDFA

[Giggles]

At least Eisen isn’t on this. He’s been really annoying since he decided he’s black.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bryce Hall is big for the Jets.

[Dan]

NEW ENGLAND WHO IS THIS MAN?

First guy I've not heard of.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.imgur.com/p065W9Q.png

Doesn't even look like a great kicker on paper.

Bill has really phoned this draft in.

[Dan]

Hadn't even attempted a kick over 50 yards until this year? The percentages are pretty typical for a college kicker, but given the lack of long range kicks that seems a bit lower than you'd like.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Also I think that completely rules out Fromm to NE.

They wouldn't take a kicker over him if they thought he had potential.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Goodwin to the Eagles.

[Dan]

I'm seriously wondering whether Fromm will go undrafted at this point. I was out on NE a while ago, and Chicago trading up to take Trevis Gipson was enough to convince me they're not interested either. I'm still expecting someone to take him at some point, maybe in round six, but I'd be looking at Minnesota as the most likely one yet.

Eagles definitely adding speed with Goodwin to go with Jalen Reagor. Curtis Weaver is a nice pick for the Dolphins too.

[Dan]

NEW ENGLAND WHO IS THIS MAN?

First guy I've not heard of.

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:uhoh:

[John]

What's happening with Fromm. I'm sure I remember reading that he was a potential first rounder at one point.

[Dan]

What's happening with Fromm. I'm sure I remember reading that he was a potential first rounder at one point.

He's not a good athlete, he's good an average arm & he's not as accurate as you'd believe. Even with all that, though, he should be long gone - he's got great intangibles & football IQ, and he's good enough as a passer to be a functional starter in the right spot.

Not sure anyone has any reason why he's falling, other than teams just not valuing that type of player at all anymore.

[Dan]

And there he goes. That's a really odd one, actually.

[Foe]

Financially At this point it doesn’t really matter. The difference in salary between round 4 and last overall is pretty minimal. 2.5 - 3.3million. Once you’re out of the top 2/3 rounds it’s almost irrelevant.

The worrying part is that teams clearly don’t really respect him as potential starter. There are anomalies as we all know, but it’s telling.

What’s weird is that josh Dobbs was what a second or third rounder? Mason Rudolph? Davis Webb? There’s been so many other dudes with a lesser resume given the green light by this point.

He looked pretty average last year, but he beat out Justin fields and Jacob eason and took his team to the national championship.

[Foe]

And well, chalk that one up with the hurts pick.

Ride the bench for three or four years son and pray for a miracle.

[Dan]

Like I said earlier, since guys like Mahomes & Loomar have blown up athleticism looks to have suddenly rocketed up the list of most important traits for a QB. Really feels like teams are just straight up not going to take anyone who can't play off script & give at least a bit of production as a runner.

[Foe]

Colin kaepernick and cam Newton say hello.

[Foe]

What’s happening with dalton too? Surprised the bengals haven’t tried to move him on. You’d assume burrow comes in as day 1 starter, or wee they assuming he’ll need to sit and take over when Andy shits the bed.

[Dan]

Nobody wants to sign Cam for zero draft picks, and they didn't want to pay a top 150 pick for Jake Fromm, so they're not going to trade for Andy Dalton & his $17m cap hit.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We clearly want to stop Henry this season.

Another run stuffing D-Lineman there.

[Dan]

Another good pick for Denver. Surprised Strnad last this long, but I think he was injured so maybe that's why.

EDIT: Yeah, torn bicep.

And another good one for Dallas.

[Dan]

Ian you'd better be grateful for this draft class.

[Dan]

Have the Panthers taken any offensive players yet?

[Dan]

WE'VE GOT A LONG SNAPPER :drool:

He's not the one most people would've expected - Steve Wirtel from Iowa State is the other one who's likely to go - but he's the brother of Reid Ferguson, who snapped at LSU before him & currently snaps for Buffalo.

Chargers taking another safety? Alohi Gilman is good, but when is he ever going to play for them? I guess they'll have a fucking good special teams unit with him & Drue Tranquill on the squad.

DPJ to the Browns could be a good bargain. If nothing else he'll be delighted to learn what it's like playing with a quarterback who can hit the field with a pass.

Another kicker - Bass was the one generally expected to go first, so now we're just waiting on whether Hot Rod gets drafted or not. Also surprised Braden Mann hasn't gone yet.

EDIT: There he goes. All the special teams positions getting someone drafted this year (possibly multiple of each by the end). Would definitely not be surprised to see a handful more guys go before the end of the draft.

[Giggles]

I presume that’s a son/nephew of the Jon Runyan?

[Dan]

Yeah, his son.

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:sherlock:

Fourth guy is Carter Coughlin from Minnesota, so expect him to be their next pick.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'd like James Proche if he's still there with Ravens last pick. Although I can see us going secondary.

[Dan]

Everyone would like James Proche.

Eagles just loading up on speedy WRs with their day three picks :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Timed well, we just traded up.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Proche \0/.

[Dan]

You motherfuckers.

Well that's pick 1.02 in the dynasty league sorted then.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What a draft from EDC.

[Giggles]

What a draft from EDC.

If the players turn out to be good in the NFL in 3 years time.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If the players turn out to be good in the NFL in 3 years time.

Well obviously.

But on paper it's tremendous. We've drafted 2 well thought of MLB's, a potential starting RB, some great D-Linemen, O-Line help and WR help.

Bar safety we've hit every single one of our needs. There's a reason all the draft experts are raving about our draft this year, obviously it can all fall to shit but you can't judge that now.

[Giggles]

Still no receivers :harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Another random player for the Patriots in Cassh Maluia.

I can't even find much about outside of a small write up on NFL's website and a small profile from his College.

[Foe]

That’s the whole point right? If you stick to your guns and the cards fall right you look
Like a genius. If you deviate because “best player available” you get hammered.

See the eagles / packers. In three years time the gm might look back and pat himself on the back for keeping around a qb. Nobody will thank him for that now, and if he doesn’t develop then it’ll follow him around that he wasted chances with one of the best around.

Baltimore are win now so easy to just go stringently with filling needs and on paper, job well done.

[Dan]

Jordan Mailata & Prince Tega Wanogho as your developmental tackles :drool:

Colts traded up to get ahead of themselves, as they also have the next two picks :D Turns out they traded Quincy Wilson to the Jets for the pick.

EDIT: Pleasantly surprised to see Freddie Swain get drafted. Kept flashing when I was watching Florida games.

Bengals have done a really good job rebuilding their linebacker room - Markus Bailey is a steal in the seventh round if he can stay healthy.

[Dan]

Oh come on Baltimore :moop:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We needed a nice safety :)

Seems that some outlets had a second round grade on him.

[Dan]

That's a bit strong, since he's not really going to offer much in coverage, but definitely 4 or 5 would've been fair.

Will be interesting to find out why Eno Benjamin & KJ Hill ended up falling to the seventh, as they were two more guys who would've been expected to go in the 4/5 range.

[Dan]

COLE MCDONALD TITANS STARTER 2022 BOYS :drool: He'd better spent the next two years growing the dreadlocks back though.

Another specialist off the board K/P Sterling Hofrichter. Syracuse about to get specialists drafted in back to back years (I think their kicker Andre Szmyt is eligible next year)

James Smith-Williams is an interesting late pick, and Ben DiNucci had some last ditch buzz as a guy who might get drafted, so that's cool. Still no Anthony Gordon or Nate Stanley though, which is a big surprise.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That's a bit strong, since he's not really going to offer much in coverage, but definitely 4 or 5 would've been fair.


PFF scouts absolutely love him.


Good luck finding anyone other the PFF to have Iowa safety Geno Stone in their top 10 safeties, let alone in the top five where we have him. He’s not only the most underrated defensive back in the class, but the most underrated player regardless of position. As PFF draft gurus Mike Renner and Austin Gayle have preached, Stone had unreal instincts — he reacts quickly and is quick to make plays.

Over the last two seasons, Stone has produced the third-best PFF coverage in the FBS. He’s been responsible for minimal big plays downfield and he made more plays on the ball (11) than first downs allowed (9) while also allowing the lowest yards per coverage snap among safeties (0.25).

They had him 53rd on their big board.

[Gray Fox]

Prince Tega Wanogho? All is forgiven.

[Dan]

Little BoPete :cool:

[Ian]

Ian you'd better be grateful for this draft class.

Enlighten me.

I like the sound of the top picks and am generally a "wait and see if they're any good" man but I know you love this shit so I'll humour you.

I'm assuming given this is another post we've picked up some players later you consider to be steals?

[Dan]

Oh shit, we've traded back in.

Err...what? Are we planning on using two Taysom Hill's? That's a really bizarre one.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Prince Tega Wanogho? All is forgiven.

Did you know that his Mother died in 2017.

Where would we be without ESPN's lovely light draft experience?

[Giggles]

Game over, no receivers.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Oh shit, we've traded back in.

Err...what? Are we planning on using two Taysom Hill's? That's a really bizarre one.

They need someone for the Taysom Hill role when Taysom Hill takes over from Drew Brees.

Although this season will be fun with Brees, Taysom Hill and Taysom Hill 2.0 all on the field.

[Dan]

Enlighten me.

I like the sound of the top picks and am generally a "wait and see if they're any good" man but I know you love this shit so I'll humour you.

I'm assuming given this is another post we've picked up some players later you consider to be steals?

Thanks :D

Strnad & Muti are both good players who fell due to injuries. If they were both healthy they could easily have both gone on day two. That line could be really nice now - Risner, Glasgow & Cushenberry are all good interior guys who could play all three spots, and if Muti's healthy you can use Risner to cover pretty much the whole line, or just let him compete with Bolles to start. Not sure who your swing tackle is, but that's seven really good guys to roll with at least. Not sure there's any real holes on that offence at this point

EDIT: And then two more to round it off. Tyrie Cleveland is an intriguing player - big & fast, will offer kick return value & straight line speed to go deep. Derrek Tuszka popped up at the Combine & looks like a good developmental pass rusher with some nice bend & hustle.

[Dan]

They need someone for the Taysom Hill role when Taysom Hill takes over from Drew Brees.

Although this season will be fun with Brees, Taysom Hill and Taysom Hill 2.0 all on the field.

I will be stunned if he makes the roster. I'd probably be less surprised if Brees retired before the season.

If we wanted another Taysom Hill we should've just waited a year & taken Sam Ehlinger, who actually could be a good fit in that sort of role. Hell, we could've used Malcolm Perry, who just went to Miami.

EDIT: RIP Hot Rod :( He's not getting drafted, is he? Fingers crossed he's Mr Irrelevant.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If Thaddeus Moss isn't drafted I reckon he'll be one of the first UDFA that we target.

[Dan]

And Mr Irrelevant is...Tae Crowder. So yeah, irrelevant.

The UDFA scramble is underway - signings being announced already.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Lamar Jackson to the Jets.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Redskins have signed Thaddeus Moss.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:cool:

[Dan]

Lamar Jackson to the Jets.

No word on AJ Green yet, but Bill Murray has signed with the Patriots.

Hot Rod to the Colts is perfect.

[Giggles]

Gutekunst still hasn’t even signed a UFA receiver.

[Dan]

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Oh. Shit.

[Giggles]

Has Rodgers spoke yet? I’d love if he didn’t play again and demanded a trade.

[Dan]

Has Rodgers spoke yet? I’d love if he didn’t play again and demanded a trade.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Iy5RLk94fLqaSRy/giphy.gif

[Dan]

Gutekunst still hasn’t even signed a UFA receiver.

They've picked up Michigan State WR Darrell Stewart Jr, according to the TDN tracker (https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/udfa-tracker-nfl-draft-2020). Not exactly an inspiring addition.

[Dan]

TDN have already switched their simulator to 2021, so have a way too early 2021 mock (https://thedraftnetwork.com/mockdraft/46dFXEFqKD) :drool:

[Giggles]

Patrick Surtain is yet another one to make me feel really old.

[Dan]

Asante Samuel Jr & Michael Irvin II in the class too.

[Pleb]

Whose tanking for Lawrence then?

[Giggles]

Nobody, seeing as it will most likely be someone else by this time next year.

[Foe]

Nah. Unless he gets injured he’s #1. We’ve known that for 18 months.

Justin fields could run him close in that case if he does Kyler Murray type stuff again this year.

[Giggles]

Nobody has a clue yet really.

[Dan]

We always think we know but then a year out nobody predicted Mayfield, Kyler & Burrow going #1. On the other hand, the really elite prospects like Andrew Luck were called from way out, and Trevor's getting that level of hype, so if anyone's going to be able to go from start to finish as the undisputed #1 pick it's probably him.

[Gray Fox]

#TankingForTrevor

He's one of, if not the highest graded high school player ever and has continued that hype right through into College. The only game he's ever lost was the final game of last season against Burrows LSU.

He'll be number 1 so long as there's no injury.

[Foe]

That taysom hill extension :saywhat:

[Gray Fox]

Taysom Hill has completed 7 passes to Saints players in his career so far.

Jameis Winston has completed 10.

[Giggles]

What’s the best site for UFA signings? NFL.com does them by player rather than team.

[Gray Fox]

What’s the best site for UFA signings? NFL.com does them by player rather than team.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/undrafted-free-agent-tracker-2020-rookie-signings-from-all-32-nfl-teams-in-one-spot-following-nfl-draft/

Not sure how fast it updates, but seems good.

[Giggles]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/undrafted-free-agent-tracker-2020-rookie-signings-from-all-32-nfl-teams-in-one-spot-following-nfl-draft/

Not sure how fast it updates, but seems good.


The Draft Network one above is more up to date than that but hasn’t updated much all day either.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Ha.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The Draft Network one above is more up to date than that but hasn’t updated much all day either.

https://walterfootball.com/draft/UDFASigningsByTeam

This one is sorted nicely but again, slow to update.

They only have about 10 or so listed for the Ravens but we're up to 20 now.

[Giggles]

Still only one receiver in that Green Bay bunch. Not that it’s likely any would make it, but he has to be trolling Rodgers at this stage.

[Gray Fox]

Waiting for him to seethe off, before spending his cut wages on weapons for Love.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Still only one receiver in that Green Bay bunch. Not that it’s likely any would make it, but he has to be trolling Rodgers at this stage.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/nfl-draft-2020-packers/2020/4/25/21236275/packers-udfa-tracker-following-news-rumors-and-signings-after-the-2020-nfl-draft

Two running backs and a QB though.

[Giggles]

Just what’s needed.

[Giggles]

He’s not wrong.


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[Foe]

Dalton released.

Patriots bounds I’d guess for something like $5m 1 year deal

[Dan]

Nah, they signed J'Mar Smith as a UDFA so they don't need him.

[Giggles]

They’ll trade for Rodgers.

[Dan]

Yeah, if we're honest this is only going one of two ways:
1. Patriots trade for Aaron Rodgers, he plays into his forties & they win 1-2 more SuperBowls before he retires
2. They stick with Stidham, have a bad season & draft Trevor Lawrence/Justin Fields/Brock Purdy/Trey Lance/other, who becomes a superstar & they have another 10-15 years of winning

[Foe]

Bet jameis Winston is regretting all those picks now.

$1.1m to fight it out to be backup to drew Brees (and you’d assume he thinks he has a chance of being the heir and licking up a much larger contract next year).

[Giggles]

The crazy one is either signing for the Ravens or he’s just heard of them. Who knows.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He's been angling for us to sign him for a while but I don't see it at all.

Since the Ray Rice thing we've been making sure that we don't get involved with bad character guys and we just drafted two guys that we are very high on.

[Browning]

Dalton to the cowboys.

[Giggles]

That's some backup to have.

[Foe]

“This has nothing to do with dak”.

“Dak, sign our offer. It’s not going any higher. We have a more than capable backup option who’s going to be pushing you to start.”

Andy must really have wanted to get back to Texas. Fort Worth is about 30 miles from Dallas so guess he fancied going back to that area.

Katy is near Houston so surprised BoB didn’t fancy him as a Deshaun insurance. But then, that might be savy GM play.

[Dan]

Didn’t see that one coming.

[Dan]

Oh shit, we've traded back in.

Err...what? Are we planning on using two Taysom Hill's? That's a really bizarre one.

The story on why we traded back in for Tommy Stevens is peak Sean Payton.

Tried to get him as a UDFA but he’d committed to the Panthers. Matched their offer & he refused as he’d given them his word. Offered him ten times what they were paying & he stuck to his word, so Payton traded back in & texted him ‘I’m done asking, now I’m taking’ :cool:

[Giggles]

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[thommo]

"Winningest" :face:

[Giggles]

Yeah that never looks right.

[Dan]

Big Frank Gore is back for another year :cool:

[Gray Fox]

Dan there's a guy moaning about a trade from 2 months ago.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8295385/NFL-star-Earl-Thomas-held-gunpoint-wife-confronts-cheating.html

NFL star Earl Thomas was held at gunpoint by his wife Nina after she discovered him naked in bed with several other women, TMZ reports.

The shocking incident allegedly occurred in the early hours of April 13, when the Baltimore Ravens safety, 31, was confronted by his spouse at an Airbnb rental in Austin, Texas.

An enraged Nina allegedly pointed a 9mm Berreta at Earl's head, before he managed to wrestle the weapon away from her.

His brother was also in the bed.

[Ian]

Smooth move to bring his brother along to take the blame.

[Dan]

We've cut Larry Warford, which is both expected & surprising. Guess that's Cesar Ruiz slotted in at RG now.

[Foe]

Texans schedule is brutal first half of the year.

[Foe]

If the reports are true, deandre baker will not be playing again in the NFL.

[Foe]

First round pick too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52675230

Up there with Greg Robinson levels of stupidity.

[Ian]

The Skins got a pick in return for Dunbar so they've accidentally donned it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.nfl.com/news/owners-to-vote-on-resolution-to-incentivize-minority-hc-gm-hires




If a team hires a minority head coach, that team, in the draft preceding the coach's second season, would move up six spots from where it is slotted to pick in the third round. A team would jump 10 spots under the same scenario for hiring a person of color as its primary football executive, a position more commonly known as general manager.

If a team were to fill both positions with diverse candidates in the same year, that club could jump 16 spots -- six for the coach, 10 for the GM -- and potentially move from the top of the third round to the middle of the second round. Another incentive: a team's fourth-round pick would climb five spots in the draft preceding the coach's or GM's third year if he is still with the team. That is considered significant because Steve Wilks and Vance Joseph, two of the four African-American head coaches hired since 2017, were fired after one and two seasons, respectively.



When I saw the Tweet linking to the article I thought it was from The Onion.

[Giggles]

That’s fucking ridiculous.

[Ian]

No issues with the problem they're trying to solve here but that's not the way to do it.

[Giggles]

Best man for the job.

[Foe]

The way society is worried about a lack of diversity in management of various organisations and peddling to public conception trying to resolve it is just horrifying when you actually start to understand what’s happening.

I challenged my companies regional VP HR on it and the way the message was being sent. Basically, they’re going to do whatever it takes to meet the quota they want. Fixing the process to ensure it’s a fair completion isn’t the end goal or acceptable apparently. The quota must be met. The NFL is clearly no different to that.

[Foe]

Best man for the job.

Person. But sure. ;)

[Giggles]

Person. But sure. ;)

It’s not womens football. Best man for the job.

[Ian]

The selection process is already frequently borked in all organisations, it's just now in a way that many people are happy to pretend is fine because the "who's the best white dude?" policy works in their favour.

Hitting quotas isn't really the way to fix it but outside of the perception of swivel-eyed gammons the person is probably likely to be neither significantly better or worse at their job, it's just if they happen to be a meh woman or minority people will decide it's somehow TOKENISM that caused the person to not be as good at telling roidy meatheads to run into each other real hard.

[Giggles]

They’re not long enough removed from all the slavery stuff to be rational about things like this I suppose.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The college teams need to do more.

How are minorities meant to get coaching jobs in the NFL (the bigger positions) with little to no experience?

[Dan]

NFL players sure do love guns - first we had Baker & Dunbar, and in the last couple of days we’ve added Cody Latimer & Ed Oliver (ffs).

[Giggles]

Are any of those high end players?

[John]

Ed Oliver was a first rounder last year and had a decent first season.

[Giggles]

I think I’d heard his name, and Latimers too. I just hadn’t seen a massive amount of coverage of it so thought they must all be backups.

[Browning]

To be honest I had Latimer confused with Lattimore. The former appears to be nobody.

[Giggles]

Lattimore would be who I’m thinking of too.

[Foe]

Ed Oliver’s was pretty minor on the grand scheme of things the nfl would be worried about. DWI and having an unlawful weapon in his car.

Can imagine there’s tens or hundreds of thousands of those in America.

He’s an idiot, no doubt. But it’s not a “going to get released and go to jail” sort of event. Might lose some guarantees in his contract though but he will have already been paid about 70% of his contract value anyway.

[Gray Fox]

Looks like there was an attempt to bring in the 4th and 15 alternative to the onside kick. I believe it was trialled in the pro bowl last year? Or in pre-season. I forget which.

Looks like it's failed as it is, but they may re-work it.

[Giggles]

Pity. The onside kick is a waste of time.

I’d be on for going the whole hog and having an option of 4th and 20 for all kickoffs.

[Ian]

I see Brees is a card-carrying member of the "b-b-b-but the TROOPS :cry:" wanker brigade.

Pity.

EDIT: Oh, and Fangio also tried a "no racism in the NFL" gambit and had to apologies after presumably being harangued. :face:

[Gray Fox]

Malcolm Jenkins telling Brees to "shut the fuck up" is a highlight from the backlash.

Very typical of the sheltered white guy not getting the problem because he's never had to deal with it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Brees is getting a pasting by everyone, including teammates:

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[Gray Fox]

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Even big Rog' is waking up, even if he recorded it with a potato.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yet when someone (Kap) peacefully protested he got them out of the league as soon as possible.

[John]

That's the single most disingenuous statement I've heard in long time.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Multiple Cowboys and Texans have the 'Rona.

Only player confirmed so far is Zeke.

[Foe]

Think Texas in general is seeing a big uptick again. :(

[John]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/06/17/saints-help-to-church-more-extensive-than-admitted

Oh dear.

[Ian]

I forgot that they were pro-nonce.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The Patriots have signed Newton on a 1 year deal :harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Pats have also been caught filming the Bengals sideline and fined $1.1m and docked their third round pick next draft.

Why film the Bengals though? You want to find out just how shit they really are?

[Gray Fox]

Several major sponsors are putting big pressure on the Redskins to change their name.

FedEx, who sponsor the stadium have. Nike have withdrawn all references to them on their website and searching them comes up with no results. Pepsi have also joined in.

They've always insisted they will never change it, but I don't see how they keep it now.

[Ian]

I dunno why they haven't done it before now when they could have taken credit for how progressive they're being. You achieve nothing by having to be bullied into not being a bellend.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They were also planning on buying the site that the RFK stadium is on in Washington but the owners have said they'll only sell if the name is changed.

[Ian]

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/a5/d3/57/a5d35709289538776775c9c32840e65f--keanu-charles-reeves--movies.jpg

Hopefully they become the Washington Sentinels.

[niko_cee]

Are KC going to have to go the same way or is their native american iconography not racist?

[John]

They don't have much iconography do they? The arrow in their logo and the name itself is probably enough to fuck them once the Redskins are out of the way though.

The Cleveland Indians will probably be the next sports team into the flogging chair though, they're not too far removed from having a man dressed as a pissed Sioux as their mascot.

[Giggles]

They don't have much iconography do they? The arrow in their logo and the name itself is probably enough to fuck them once the Redskins are out of the way though.

The Cleveland Indians will probably be the next sports team into the flogging chair though, they're not too far removed from having a man dressed as a pissed Sioux as their mascot.

They’re going to “review” like the Redskins are. Whatever the fuck that actually means.

[Ian]

A review means they're definitely doing it but they want to work out how to spin it as best as possible because "We caved to pressure" isn't good PR.

Have the Chiefs said they're reviewing too, then? If they have my Google-fu is failing me.

[Giggles]

No, the Indians.

[Ian]

Ah, okay.

[niko_cee]

Aye, nothing yet, but KC must be the next cab off the outrage rank. Then the Browns. Then the All Blacks.

[Dan]

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Wowzers.

This could be an utterly groundbreaking deal. Imagine if he's getting 20% of the cap every year, fully guaranteed :drool:

[Foe]

The Kansas City Mahomes as of next week, clearly.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If it's a base amount he's an idiot.

If it's a percentage of the salary cap he's a genius.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

$450m with $140m guaranteed.

I think he'll regret that in a few years when the needle moves and he'll quickly drop out of the top 5 for AAV.

[Giggles]

$450m with $140m guaranteed.

I think he'll regret that in a few years when the needle moves and he'll quickly drop out of the top 5 for AAV.

He can just hold out then.

[Foe]

If it's a base amount he's an idiot.

If it's a percentage of the salary cap he's a genius.

I mean, call him an idiot if you want. But he’s getting nearly half a billion in income before sponsorship etc

I know some of these guys egos are enormous and they all want to be the highest paid, but seriously. Go buy a country or something and chill. He’s good.

[Giggles]

I mean, call him an idiot if you want. But he’s getting nearly half a billion in income before sponsorship etc

I know some of these guys egos are enormous and they all want to be the highest paid, but seriously. Go buy a country or something and chill. He’s good.

Look at Brady. I’d take the few extra rings over a few million on top of my already multiple millions.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I mean, call him an idiot if you want. But he’s getting nearly half a billion in income before sponsorship etc

I know some of these guys egos are enormous and they all want to be the highest paid, but seriously. Go buy a country or something and chill. He’s good.

Unless there are clauses that allow him to re-negotiate after X amount of years or whatever I think it's a bad contract for him.

Taking it at face value (as we don't know any sub clauses etc) it's $450m over 10 years. Assuming he'd have signed a 5 year deal he'd have then been able to sign a larger deal for the next 5 years.

Obviously idiot is strong as he's still raking in money and perhaps he's decided to give them a slightly friendlier deal to help the team but in terms of pure money it's not the right move.

[Foe]

Wasn’t just Brady doing it though right? Loads of guys were accepting reduced rates to play on a winning team.

If they’ve got that guy firing at QB they can throw lowball offers in there at players to test their will to win.

Best backup QB job in the business too. Not real risk of the franchise drafting a QB so they’ll either just churn out 3-6th rounders as developmental projects to trade or have Brian Hoyer’s regen holding the clip board for the next decade too.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It's a better deal for the Chiefs than it is for Mahomes.

[Gray Fox]

I just can't see a way in which a guy potentially earning $450m before sponsorships etc is bad in any way.

Sure other players may overtake his per season amount in the future, but it's a great statement of commitment from both sides.

[Giggles]

I just can't see a way in which a guy potentially earning $450m before sponsorships etc is bad in any way.

Sure other players may overtake his per season amount in the future, but it's a great statement of commitment from both sides.

But he DIDN'T WIN THE NEGOTIATIONS.

[Giggles]

All seems to be differing stories anyway.


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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

$50.3m AAV is a much better deal for Mahomes with a thick amount of it guaranteed is nice too.

I assume there is also a clause to re-negotiate after X amount of years.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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There's no way he gets the full $503m then.

[Giggles]

He might as well just retire.

[Ian]

What does he need to achieve for this to make it worthwhile for them? The stats don't really advise blowing your load on a QB's second contract anyway, do they? I know it's hard when they've been beasting it but this is really fucking going for it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/american-football/53327285

They really need to cut him for this.

[Ian]

I love that his defence is basically "Hey, I just repost any old shit."

[Giggles]

Another contract LOSER.

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-wr-watkins-on-pay-cut-how-much-money-do-i-need

[Browning]

He’s also worth fuck all since his injury, so I’m sure that helps.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-reduce-seating-capacity-for-2020-home-games-to-less-than-14k

Ravens are reducing the stadium capacity to around 14k this season in light of Covid. However, 62k season tickets have already been sold.

[Foe]

And college football games starting to get axed.

In conference only in the big ten.

Be interesting to see how that would play out for the playoffs if it was unanimous. An all SEC round robin would be quality.

[Dan]

It would still just be Alabama,Clemson, Ohio State & one other.

Not that we’ll even get conference games, if we’re being honest. American doing a great job of totally shitting the bed on this.

[Foe]

You reckon bama will top the sec again?

Lsu lost burrow and many others.
Georgia lost fromm
Bama lost tua, Ruggs and jeudy

[Dan]

It’ll be closer, but they’re still the third best team in the country, and as long as they don’t lose more than one game they’d probably be able to get in on reputation over some lesser teams.

[Foe]

Confirmed the redskins are no more.

No new name yet. South Park will need to re do the episode.

Mixed reaction it seems.

[Giggles]

Load of bullshit but this is what happens when the idiots take over.

[Ian]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/07/14/kabeer-gbaja-biamila-kgb-new-religious-movement-school-play-incident

There are three fairly long parts to this but it's a good read.

[Giggles]

Antonio Brown “retires” again.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Thank fuck for that.

There had been rumblings that we might offer him a contract.

[Ian]

It took Washington a week and a half to come up with "Washington Football Team" as their interim identity? Somebody's being paid too much.

[John]

Antonio Brown has decided he wants to play again.

Someone needs to find out who was keeping him medicated at the Steelers all those years and get them on the Covid vaccine team.

[Gray Fox]

It took Washington a week and a half to come up with "Washington Football Team" as their interim identity? Somebody's being paid too much.

A local businessman got ahead of them and trademarked pretty much all similar sounding alternatives and names they may think of taking. Likely he's now demanding a big pay out to hand it over and the team is refusing.

[Giggles]

A local businessman got ahead of them and trademarked pretty much all similar sounding alternatives and names they may think of taking. Likely he's now demanding a big pay out to hand it over and the team is refusing.

Smart thinking but hopefully they use none of them.

[Gray Fox]

I think they might. They seem insistent on keeping links to the history of the name and team. For example they aren't changing the jerseys even slightly.

[niko_cee]

I'm pretty sure that sort of behaviour is fairly apocryphal, I don't think you can really do it, as it's clearly acting in bad faith.

[Ian]

Yeah those things often get overruled don't they? Because money if nothing else.

[Shindig]

The Washington Red Bulls.

[Giggles]

It doesn't look right.


https://i.imgur.com/X7g3iIr.png

[Giggles]

I do like the Alamama style helmets though.


https://media.nbcnewyork.com/2020/07/washington-football-team-uniform-mockup-1.jpg

[Giggles]

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That is a hefty amount.

[Giggles]

Some Chiefs lineman has opted out of the season. Not sure if he’s a starter or not but he’s apparently a doctor also. Won’t be the last.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He's one of their starting guards.

He wasn't very good last year though.

[Foe]

Interesting to see how coaches and team brass take that. Basically giving up your spot on the team. Good PR message if they can use it as a sort of loan deal.

The jets Adams trade is a bit spicy. Flared up some heat within the jets and interesting theory they’re building the capital to take a punt at Trevor Lawrence (unlikely I’d say).

[Gray Fox]

Even with The Moustache, it's hard to see anyone out-shitting the Jags this year.

[Foe]

It would be a good season for someone like the steelers/colts/broncos to have an absolute meltdown.

On paper the jags have a real struggle, but never doubt the shitness of the New York teams, Detroit and Ohio teams.

[Giggles]

The MLB looks to be starting rather un-smoothly.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

De'Anthony "Black Mamba" Thomas - Ravens starting KR/PR
Chance Warmack - At the Seahawks but a long shot to play, didn't play any games last year
Maurice Canady - Cowboys backup CB (was at Ravens and Jets last year)
Danny Vitale - Patriots starting FB I guess, signed from Packers but NE don't play much with FBs
Caleb Brantley - Backup DL for the Redskins.

New names to have opted out of this season.

[Gray Fox]

Joey Bosa gets 5 years and $135m for his troubles.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The Covid list is growing quite rapidly now.

Patriots will be fucked as they have not only the biggest names in Dont'a Hightower and Patrick Chung opting out but also the most so far.

[niko_cee]

Belichick's probably worked out some advantage to it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Nate Solder has opted out and Lane Johnson has Covid.