The NFL Thread

[Pleb]

Have the Panthers finally given up on Cam? :baz:

[John]

Jameis. :harold:

[Pleb]

Well that escalated quickly :D

[John]

Well that escalated quickly :D

What did?

[Pleb]

The false starts at fourth down and the free kick at the end of the half.

[Giggles]

That’s a new one on me.


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[Pleb]

Apparently you can use it anytime after a punt and a fair catch obviously.

[John]

That's a corking interception. Couldn't have picked Keuchly out any better if he was a Bucs receiver.

[Giggles]

Better put them down for the win then.



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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Hail Breesus carrying them from the sideline.

[Giggles]

If there’s a dodgy decision going, the Vikings will come out on the good side of it.

[Giggles]

Miammeh :cool:

EDIT - fucking idiots.

[John]

Baker Peterman is having a cunt of a season. Chubb will be a genuine OPOTY candidate if he can keep it up though. He's quality.

[bruhnaldo]

Miammeh :cool:

EDIT - fucking idiots.

Wow you really got the entire Miami Dolphins experience that's impressive.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It was a fake 2 point play.

Drake was always going to bat it down.

One step closer to Tua.

[Ian]

Excellent stuff from the Denver offense.

So good having Garrett Holds at left tackle too.

[bruhnaldo]

It was a fake 2 point play.

Drake was always going to bat it down.

One step closer to Tua.

I was driving from facility to facility for work and listening to it on AM radio and you should have heard them waxing poetic about all of the 2 pt conversions they had been practicing and how they must feel very confident ALL for him to drop the ball lol

[Ian]

Great play from Chris Harris there.

[Dan]

Update after week 6:


Ohio State
Alabama
LSU
Oklahoma
Clemson
Georgia
-
Wisconsin
Texas
Notre Dame
-
Florida
Auburn
Penn State
Oregon
-
Utah
Michigan
Wake Forest
Boise State
Washington
Michigan State
Iowa
-
Virginia
SMU
Baylor
Arizona State
Minnesota

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Memphis
Cincinnati
-
UCF
Oklahoma State
Texas A&M

Memphis & Cincinnati both deserved a spot, but I went with Minnesota as the last team in. Just couldn't justify booting out Washington or Michigan State like the actual AP poll has. We have Florida/LSU, Texas/Oklahoma, Alabama/Texas A&M, Penn State/Iowa & Wisconsin/Michigan State next week, so we could get some serious movement in the rankings, especially with Clemson/Florida State & Georgia/South Carolina thrown in there too.

Week 7 edition:
Ohio State
Alabama
LSU
Clemson
Oklahoma
-
Georgia
Wisconsin
Florida
Penn State
Notre Dame
Auburn
Texas
-
Oregon
Utah
Boise State
Washington
Baylor
Michigan
Wake Forest
Arizona State
Texas A&M
Iowa
Minnesota
SMU
Cincinnati

I was already low on Georgia, so I've not freaked out as much as the AP voters, who dropped them from 3 to 10, but they do slip out of the top tier, so there's definitely room for them to fall further if they don't sort themselves out. There's definitely an argument for LSU at 1, but I just can't convince myself they'd beat Ohio State or Alabama so I can't get them higher than three despite them having the best resume of anyone this season.

The tiers have been cut from 5 to 3, and that third tier has at least another handful of teams in. It's pretty clear that the teams in the top two tiers are a step ahead of the rest (except maybe Oregon), and that third tier is where most of the movement will happen, as there are at least a handful more teams in that tier & they'll probably all keep rotating in & out of the top 25 every week.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jared Goof is fucking woeful.

[thommo]

Devin Bush showed up on SNF, big first quarter performance with 2 turnovers. It was nice to see good, sensible football leaning on the run sealing a good Steelers win in the end. Go into the bye 2-4 and the Dolphins to play (in primetime :moop:) when we come back in Week 8.

[Giggles]

Nebraska v Illinois makes meh spring to mind very quickly.

https://www.balls.ie/amp/american-sports/2021-college-american-football-dublin-418694

[Dan]

That’s such an unappealing game - Nebraska probably won’t even have Adrian Martinez in the 2021 season either :D

[Dan]

‘Hands to the face’ :harold:

[Gray Fox]

I see on Twitter a lot of talk about the Refs beating the Lions. Was it that bad?

[Giggles]

Packers were due one from the refs after all the years of robbery. Those receivers though, Christ. The drops :face:

[Dan]

I see on Twitter a lot of talk about the Refs beating the Lions. Was it that bad?

The evidence (according to Twitter):

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And the reaction:

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[Dan]

https://www.xfl.com/en-US/articles/xfl-announces-initial-quarterback-assignments

https://www.xfl.com/en-US/articles/phase-2-offensive-line-draft-tracker

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XFL draft is underway.

Quite a few notable names in there that I hadn't noticed were in the pool, actually. Defenders & Renegades rosters look interesting so far.

[Giggles]

:drool: fuck the Lions and their crying.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.

[Dan]

That pick had better not be more than a third.

EDIT: Fifth, apparently.

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Shame to see Kenny leave but he wasn't working this year and had been a healthy scratch in the last two games.

A fifth is very good.

[Gray Fox]

Ramsey off to the Rams.

Big boy trade that one.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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And the Rams have a new CB...

[neo_hippy]

Good to have Ramsey but we really need a new OL

[Giggles]

Gutekunst needs to get on the blower and find a receiver. Could actually turn a waste season into a playoff one with a decent one instead of the shower that are playing currently.

[Ian]

I'd be surprised if none of the Denver veterans get traded. I've seen a lot of chat about how it'd make sense to try and gather some picks for Chris Harris and maybe it does but I'd be sad to see him go. Same for Sanders.

[Dan]

Pretty much everyone has won from those two CB trades, I’d say.

[Browning]

Except the Rams. Ramsey over Peters is an upgrade sure but the respective price tags seem mental especially when you consider they will have the same issues renewing Ramsey as they would have had with Peters.

[thommo]

I think the Rams only win if they win the Superbowl in the next couple of years. They have banked everything on winning with this roster, and already have massive contracts in Goff, Gurley and Donald. Ramsey will surely be the highest paid CB when he gets his extension, so where does that leave them with the rest of the team?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No chance they win with Goof though.

[Gray Fox]

But... Bortles.

[Dan]

Oh yeah, long term the Rams are fucked, but it’s clear they’re not thinking about that, they’re going all out to win now, and Ramsey is a huge upgrade at a position of need. They’re in a much better position to win now than they were yesterday, so that’s arguably a win in their eyes

I still don’t think they’re going to win the SuperBowl though, so long term it’s probably going to go downhill fast in a few years. Apparently they’ll be going five years without a first round pick now, which is just madness.

[Dan]

Dolphins have benched Rosen a week after naming him the starter for the rest of the season :cab:

If I was a conspiracy theorist I’d say this was the evolution of blackballing. Shutting Kaepernick out was too obvious, so hiring a guy & actively putting him in the worst possible positions is the next step to ruin someone’s career without everyone kicking off :sherlock:

[Ian]

Denver's O-line sounds like it had fun last night.

[Dan]

That looked UGLY from the Denver line. KC looked to be collapsing the pocket immediately on every snap, Flacco could barely hold the ball every time he got hit, and they outsmarted themselves with some of their playcalling.

RIP MVPat though :uhoh: Sounds like he’ll be out at least three weeks, so I guess we should just hand the AFC West to the Raiders.

[Giggles]

I only caught the score (and the big injury) there now, but I did see lots of Joe Sacko tweets early this morning.

[Giggles]

That looked UGLY from the Denver line. KC looked to be collapsing the pocket immediately on every snap, Flacco could barely hold the ball every time he got hit, and they outsmarted themselves with some of their playcalling.

RIP MVPat though :uhoh: Sounds like he’ll be out at least three weeks, so I guess we should just hand the AFC West to the Raiders.

It's ok, they're losing this week.

:uhoh:

[Gray Fox]

I do love a ridiculous fake punt gone wrong.

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[Dan]

Why did he pass it like he's playing netball? :nono:

Boston College/Wake Forest is on at the minute, which is basically my favourite game between two teams nobody cares about as they always have a handful of good players (Duke Ejiofor, Harold Landry, Bradley Chubb, Kelvin Harmon, Jakobi Meyers etc), and BC are running ALL OVER Wake Forest. BC have two monster RBs in AJ Dillon (250lbs) and David Bailey (240lbs), and between them they've rushed for 229 yards & 2 TDs on 20 combined carries before half-time :D

[Gray Fox]

Oh and RIP Sooner Schooner

[Dan]

I do love a ridiculous fake punt gone wrong.

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On the subject of things going horribly wrong in college football today:

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Also, this is how you do a fake punt:

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He's draft eligible this year, I think :drool:

[Foe]

Wake forest have a couple of notable qbs. Think two of the guys from qb1 went there. The freshman who played most of pilasters year was the dude coached by Will Grier’s Dad At Oceanside and only lost the job after getting injured. Looks like he won’t win it back either.

Florida are also struggling with South Carolina. If they spoil two sec teams CFP playoff hopes in back to back weeks it’ll be amazing.

Dan - you watched any of “Saturdays in the south”?

[Dan]

Yeah, Sam Hartmann. I think he's injured too as Wake have had three different QBs throw the ball in the first half & he was none of them.

Going back to South Carolina, DT Javon Kinlaw is making his push to be a round 1 player the last couple of weeks, and their freshman QB Ryan Hillinski looks like a solid player too. If they win this week they'll be ranked inside the top 20 from nowhere.

Not been watching the Saturdays in the South, but I've heard them talked about - is it just a history of the SEC or something?

EDIT: Just realised I've been saying Wake Forest but it's BC/NC State :D Got my three mid-tier brand teams jumbled up. Does explain why I ended up mentioning Chubb & Harmon though.

[Foe]

I’ve only watched a couple but yeah, it sort of focuses on certain aspects of sec footballl. Episodes I watched were about Hershel Walker, Steve spurrier, bear Bryant, the sec championship game being developed and Peyton manning.

I’m enjoying it a lot. Makes me so jealous I don’t live in America.

[John]

It's a bit unfair that Trevor Lawrence can seemingly run the ball like Marshawn Lynch as well as being able to throw it out of the stadium.

[Dan]

Looks like Florida have pulled their finger out & put this one away now :(

[Foe]

Yeah that failed handoff fumble really spoiled this as a contest.

I don’t mind Florida as much with trask at qb. Everyone loves an underdog and he’s the ultimate underdog.

Fuck Felipe franks though.

[Foe]

Justin fields by the way. He is smokin at Ohio state.

Hoping penn state level Michigan tonight.

[Dan]

I'm looking forward to Oregon/Washington in a minute. Will be interesting to see Herbert & Eason in a big game against good defences.

[Dan]

Fucking hell Wisconsin, way to shit the bed before you play Ohio State next week.

Illinois though :cool: Almost got Michigan last week & now they take out a top 10 team.

[Foe]

Wisconsin man. They’ve fucked themselves two of the last three years. 2 years ago they just had to beat a mediocre Ohio state team and they’d walk into the playoffs. Lost.

Now losing to Illinois? Given the strength of teams this year elsewhere that’s them hosed.

I’ve got my dual tv line up going with the LSU game on one screen and Oregon/Washington on the other. Just need to work out which one I should have the sound on.

[Dan]

Good first drive from Herbert. They seem to give him a lot of quick, easy throws in their offence, but then he actually gets the chance to throw more than two yards downfield & you wonder why they don't let him do it more often.

I've got Oklahoma State/Baylor lined up - I wanted to check out Oregon State/Cal but couldn't find a stream.

[Foe]

Espn player?

7 day free trial?

[Dan]

I didn't need to watch it that badly. Found a series of channels on YouTube that do condensed games so hopefully a few of the Oregon State games will be on there - planning on taking a look at their WR Isaiah Hodgkins as he's getting some chatter this season.

[Foe]

This Washington stadium is amazing. What a place to watch college football. Imagine it’s extremely cold, but what a cool school. Plays in purple, great stadium, pretty competitive team consistently.

[Dan]

Am I right in thinking LSU haven't been on their usual form so far today?

[Foe]

Yeah they’re struggling a bit. Thankfully miss state are pretty pish.

Been watching the Oregon game more instead.

[Dan]

Nevermind, they've scored two TDs in quick succession. Normal service is resumed.

Washington's offence is looking good today as well. Eason had a nice deep ball for a TD earlier, and with Salvon Ahmed, Aaron Fuller & Hunter Bryant they've got some pretty good weapons. They could lose all four of them to the draft though, so it'll be interesting to see what they have next year.

[Foe]

JB at LSU is going to go above Herbert in the draft.

He’s just absolutely hammering it this year. I want to dig back through and see what I said about him last year. I remember about a year or so ago speaking to a guy at work from Louisiana about him and saying (stupidly) it wasn’t a shame he wasn’t going to be there this year... to which he pointed out he would. Boys been wasted sitting on the bench elsewhere. Baller.

[Dan]

He’s exploded this year. I think the general consensus around Burrow was that he’d be a day three guy who might become a decent backup, but with LSU opening things up this year he’s flown up draft boards. The question will be whether it’s him that’s taken the leap or if it’s the new system that’s creating all his success.

Hopefully he’ll be at the Senior Bowl this year, along with Herbert & Jalen Hurts, so we can get a look at him in another system. Definitely seems like he could be the second QB off the board right now though, and if Tua keeps getting hurt & LSU take out Bama, it’s not impossible to see him being the #1 overall pick a la Baker.

[Giggles]

What’s the early Sky game?

[Foe]

Recorded the penn state game on espn and they appear to have put on the Spanish commentary version. A tad annoying.

[Foe]

If Miami aren’t careful they are going to lose the number 1 overall pick to the bengals.

Seems like ever since Whitworth left they’ve been struuuuuugling. This is going to be Daltons last rodeo as a starter all season. Tua, Herbert or burrows will be slinging in Cincinnati next year. Burrows is from Ohio... :sherlock:

[Dan]

They can cut Dalton without any dead cap at the end of the season as well.

[Giggles]

Chances are one or two of them are going to be shite anyway so they better get lucky.

[thommo]

I feel for Dalton behind that O-line though. Every game, he's under so much pressure. I don't think any rookie is going to be pulling up trees unless there are some big upgrades there.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Refs are giving the Packers the win here.

[Giggles]

Refs are giving the Packers the win here.

You’re talking out of your hole. The two calls went exactly as they would in any game.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You’re talking out of your hole. The two calls went exactly as they would in any game.

Kumerow was clearly out.

Part of his boot was on the line.

[Giggles]

He looked likely to be out but there was no angle to say he was definitely out, which is needed to overturn it in accordance with the rules. That gets called the same way for every team in the league.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That in too?

[Giggles]

No that’s clearly out, unlike the other one. That’s how it works, if the evidence isn’t totally clear then it goes with the call on the field. It’s been that way since they brought replay back.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Even the refs can tackle Freeman.

[Giggles]

This defense is all very Capers looking.

[Foe]

I feel for Dalton behind that O-line though. Every game, he's under so much pressure. I don't think any rookie is going to be pulling up trees unless there are some big upgrades there.

Yeah. Andrew whitworth at LT was obviously huge for them and they let him walk. It has been ugly since.

[thommo]

Fuck me, the refs might as well be wearing green and eating cheese. 3 TDs they've basically handed the Packers today.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Dalton is incredible.

[John]

Hearing 'MVP candidate Lamar Jackson' said aloud a few minutes ago was a bit jarring.

[Gray Fox]

Hearing 'MVP candidate Lamar Jackson' said aloud a few minutes ago was a bit jarring.

Not one QB is on or even near Wilsons level so far.

[John]

Not one QB is on or even near Wilsons level so far.

Kermit Mahomes getting injured basically makes him a guaranteed MVP, barring something bonkers happening to Wilson.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Hearing 'MVP candidate Lamar Jackson' said aloud a few minutes ago was a bit jarring.

In American sports it seems like you can claim anyone is a candidate.

Wilson is the only one who is actually up there right now.

CMC would be there too if the league didn't hate giving it to non-QBs.

[niko_cee]

Stick that in your MVP pipe.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Pick 6 on his debut.

HERO.

[John]

Someone who sounded very white just said to someone who sounded very black 'I don't have any of those quick twitch muscle fibers like you and Lamar Jackson', and Sky immediately changed to another game. :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Marlon 'Defensive Player of the Year' Humphrey :cool:

[Dan]

Philly are a mess. It was so bad I didn’t even finish watching the highlights from last night :D

[niko_cee]

Someone who sounded very white just said to someone who sounded very black 'I don't have any of those quick twitch muscle fibers like you and Lamar Jackson', and Sky immediately changed to another game. :D

They got all apologetic when Tony Romo said 'pissed' as well, if it's good enough for an afternoon audience in America how can it offend a nighttime audience over here? Or maybe Tony was overstepping.

[Giggles]

Reynolds bloody apoligised when Spikes said 'crap' too. Fuck sake.

[Dan]

SMU - they're top 25 in the entertainment rankings, that's for sure. Points, turnovers & missed kicks all over the place. They're happy to throw it downfield on offence, and they seem to have a good supply of trick plays to dig into whenever they like, while the defence is all or nothing. One drive they'll get a turnover, the next they'll leave someone wide open for a long walk in TD. Shane Buchele is a nice fit for them, and they have a senior RB called Xavier Jones who could be worth a look at one of the smaller draft bowls (East/West Shrine game or NFLPA Bowl), as well as two WRs in James Proche (senior) & Reggie Roberson Jr (appropriately he's a junior) who could also be interesting. As for their actual ranking as a team, they're borderline, but probably just outside. They could easily have lost to TCU & Tulsa, two of the games I watched, but had a load of luck in both games, and I feel like the tier three teams would smother them most if things didn't get wacky.


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Watched Baylor yesterday too:
Head coach Matt Rhule has been getting talk for NFL jobs for a year or two now, and it's immediately obvious why. You can immediately tell that people are bought in & everyone is playing flat out all the time. For once their defence was the thing that jumped off the screen first - they're all screaming to the ball & laying hits. Their safeties (#3 Chris Miller & #8 Henry Black, both seniors) in particular just come hurtling from off screen & smash people, as shown by the fact that Miller has been ejected for targeting twice in seven games :D They're super aggressive, and when they blitz it just looks like they're swarming the ball carrier. Then you get to the offence & they have guys like Denzel Mims (senior WR), JaMycal Hasty (senior RB) who could both get drafted - Mims definitely will, probably round 3/4 - and junior QB Charlie Brewer, who could be a late round guy next year, plus a few others who will probably be talked about in 2021. They're also the best QB sneak team in football - it seems like every time they run it they just bulldoze forward about five yards.

I actually found a YouTube channel that does condensed versions of all their games, so I've watched six of their seven games to date, and while I haven't actually moved them up in my rankings, I've moved them up a tier as I think they could absolutely go toe to toe with someone like Texas (and they will later in the year). They're not perfect - I do wonder if their secondary is actually good in coverage & Charlie Brewer has some college QB moments in him - so decent teams like Iowa State & Oklahoma State have still pushed them hard, but they do what good teams do & find a way to get the job done.

Oh, and their punter is straight trash. You don't get that many shanks out of a whole family of sheep.

Also had SMU holding against Houston to go 8-0 last night. Their defence continues to be all or nothing though - gave up TDs of 75 & 96 yards by taking HORRIFIC angles, as well as a 44 yard run that set up a field goal, but then had two fumble recoveries & a pick. They also continued the wackiness by letting starting QB Shane Buchele punt once for 40 yards :D He's the next Daniel Jones.

[Gray Fox]

Philly are a mess. It was so bad I didn’t even finish watching the highlights from last night :D

It's a sad state of affairs. Doug being all bullish last Monday was all the motivation Dallas needed. There's just so many problems.

Though it is becoming more clear that all the offensive greatness we saw 2 seasons back was Frank Reich(watch the Colts to see where it's gone). We have no speed at WR nor at RB really. Which is causing all throws to be 5-25 yards at best. Wentz has the arm for better but he only has D-Jax that can go deep.

The defence has become a mess though. Jim Schwartz can organise a mean front 7, but behind that he's clueless. Last night he got caught so in between keeping the run game quiet and giving the corners help that we did neither.

I also go back to the comments I made when Foles left and I believed he was the better leader for the team.

[Dan]

85 Bears who? :cool:

[Giggles]

3.6 passer rating :drool:

[thommo]

The defence is incredibly good, but I still wouldn't make those comparisons simply because the Pats have had an historically easy schedule to start the season off. The Bills game has been the only contest of note.

[Dan]

I'll probably take a look at a few other teams on the fringes this week & see if there are any changes worth making. Definitely need to check out Memphis & Cincinnati at the very least, and I'd like to do the rest of the tier that made the 25 as well.

Memphis:
Boy, they're a tough one to put a finger on - I watched extended highlights of four of their games & I honestly can't tell you whether they're good or not. Brady White is easily the worst QB out of all these teams, and none of their receivers really stand out, but they still manage to move the ball. I feel like they're successful because of their offensive line & their scheme, rather than because their skill position players are dominating, which is a concern when they’re playing the likes of Navy & Louisiana Monroe. I kinda want to put them in the same range as SMU, but probably lower as Shane Buchele is an actual QB, whereas Brady White is all the worst bits of Jameis Winston & Ryan Fitzpatrick without any of the good bits of Jameis Winston or Ryan Fitzpatrick.

And now for me to tell you about redshirt freshman RB Kenneth Gainwell. I’m not sure he’s special, as he doesn’t have that elite speed or elusiveness to put him over the top, but he’s GOOD. Speed is fine - I’d imagine he’s a 4.5 guy - he’s tough, his contact balance is nice, and he’s a threat as a receiver. This week just gone he had 9 catches for 203 receiving yards & 2 TDs, as well as 104 yards & another TD on 18 carries :cab: He isn’t even going to be a junior until the 2022 class, but if he keeps this up you’d expect him to declare as a redshirt sophomore next year, and probably be a solid day two pick at worst.

Cincinnati:
They're fine - I feel like they belong in the SMU/Memphis range. Less explosive than SMU, but more stable than Memphis. They have enough about them to give the Iowa/Michigan/etc tier a game, but I'm not especially high on them overall. Desmond Ridder is probably going to be a 2021 guy at QB, he's a solid thrower & can run the ball pretty well, but he's likely to end up as a day three guy. They have a couple of other guys in seniors Josiah Deguara (TE) & Michael Warren III (RB) who will get looks in camps next year - Warren got some love last year, and he can do a bit of everything, but I'm not sure whether he has enough to be more than a solid depth guy in the NFL. Deguara will most likely be a UDFA.

Every week just gets me closer to the opinion that there are 15 actual good teams in all of college football & then the other 100+ are split between 'average' and 'awful'.

[Ian]

There goes Emmanuel Sanders.

Not a bad deal for him though.

[Giggles]

Gutekunst should have moved on that.

[Dan]

Oklahoma :harold:

EDIT: Just found out there's a FOURTH McCaffery brother. Nebraska had to put their third string QB, Luke McCaffery, in today. It definitely seems like Christian got all the talent at the minute, seeing as Max is out of the league, and Dylan & Luke are backups behind bad college QBs.

Notre Dame :harold: Even Dylan got in on the act.

[Dan]

Just a reminder that the games start at 5 today thanks to the clocks changing.

[Giggles]

The London game is on BBC2 also.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Minshew :cool:

[Giggles]

Top notch.

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[Giggles]

I predicted Kupps breakout a year too early.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bears have actually scored an offensive TD.

[Giggles]

Right few empty seats at Wembley, bottom deck and all. I’d never looked for a ticket because I always thought they sold out in about 30 seconds?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bungles are amazing.

[Giggles]

Bungles are amazing.

And for all the keystone cops shit on defense, Dalton will still get all the blame.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

And for all the keystone cops shit on defense, Dalton will still get all the blame.

Their whole team is wank.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

83,720 at Wembley today.

Lowest since 2015.

[Giggles]

Probably couldn’t last once the whole novelty wore off. Stadium full of neutrals is never going to be a good experience.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Probably couldn’t last once the whole novelty wore off. Stadium full of neutrals is never going to be a good experience.

I enjoyed myself at the games I went to.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Da Bears :harold:

[Ian]

The Broncos could probably be a halfway decent playoff contender if we had a passing game.

[Giggles]

That Bears miss belongs to Nagy more than anyone.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That Bears miss belongs to Nagy more than anyone.

Indeed.

No idea why they knelt on it instead of running it a couple of times to get it closer.

I believe he did it last year too.

[Ian]

I don't think I've ever seen Miller get his hands on somebody like that before and not bring them down.

Here comes another agonising loss.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The Golden Oldie :cool:

[Ian]

Sigh.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Great ending.

[Ian]

Getting a bit bored of it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Cracking fair catch by the Titans cheerleader there.

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[Giggles]

Chubb :lol:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Chubb :harold:

[Giggles]

Flacco sounds happy.


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[Giggles]

Also, I can’t un-hear John C Reilly co-commentating on Oakland Houston.

[Giggles]

The Browns are entertaining anyway.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Baker needs putting down.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

CMC for MVP.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That was brilliant by Watson, especially as he got booted in the left eye.

[Giggles]

One more win to be guaranteed 0.500 for the season. Never seen that coming was sure they'd have been 3-5 at best by this stage or worse after Adams went down injured. Rodgers is doing serious work with no receivers and a soft defense.

[Giggles]

Drake was fairly cheap.

[Giggles]

Why the draft really isn’t worth getting excited about.


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[Foe]

Andy Dalton is benched in cinci. Beginning of the end for the TCU QB. Doomed.

[Giggles]

Andy Dalton is benched in cinci. Beginning of the end for the TCU QB. Doomed.

The TCU QB? He's probably been in the pro's quite long enough to outgrow that description.

[Foe]

Never forget the alum.

NCAA seem to be moving to allow athletes to be paid for images now too. California forcing their hand is working..

[Dan]

Is it worth a mid-season award vote?

MVP:
Offensive Player of the Year:
Defensive Player of the Year:
Offensive Rookie of the Year:
Defensive Rookie of the Year:
Comeback Player of the Year:
Coach of the Year:

[Limoutsonik]

MVP: McCaffrey for dragging the kicking and screaming Panthers to their current record.
Offensive Player of the Year: Same as above
Defensive Player of the Year: Nick Bosa
Offensive Rookie of the Year: Terry Mclaurin F1
Defensive Rookie of the Year: Nick Bosa
Comeback Player of the Year: Cooper Kupp
Coach of the Year: Kyle Shanahan

[bruhnaldo]

The problem with "F1" is that we don't pronounce McLaurin anywhere close to McLaren here so it'll never work.

mic-LAW-rin

mic-LAIR-in

[Limoutsonik]

No i know,i just saw it written somewhere as a fantasy football team name and thought it fit the "pun" criteria and was witty enough,that's all.

[Gray Fox]

Sounding like no more Cam Newton this season. His foot hasn't improved since he last played and he and the team aren't sure why.

[Gray Fox]

And Josh Gordon is now a Seahawk.

I did not see that one coming.

[Giggles]

And won’t be by week 14. Waste of space.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I was hoping we'd take a flyer on him in Baltimore.

I'd assume he's a good run blocker.

[Gray Fox]

Apparently Seattle were 28th in the waiver queue so that's a lot of teams passing on him.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Flacco has been placed on IR.

[Giggles]

Mahomes missing another week. Was hoping he’d be around to torch these scrotes.

[Dan]

If you like offence get this SMU/Memphis game on - kicks off in 5mins & could easily have 80+pts

[Gray Fox]

Imagine getting a pick and when you jump up to celebrate, some twat off your team knocks you so you fall and snap your ankle.

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That truck by Duke was filthy.

[Ian]

Awful tackling but that might be the best thing Fant has done.

[Giggles]

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[Ian]

:D

[Dan]

That light thing that Baltimore do when they score a TD is super annoying.

[thommo]

That light thing that Baltimore do when they score a TD is super annoying.

Agreed, the Packers also do it at Lambeau. First time it happened I thought my monitor was having an episode and fucking up the brightness.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Humps is the defensive MVP.

[Giggles]

Nothing is worse than that fucking Vikings horn.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

De'Anthony 'Black Mamba' Thomas has come to Baltimore :drool:

I've loved him ever since the 2012 Rose Bowl.

[Dan]

LSU/Alabama game is tonight :drool: I assume Foe will be watching, but it’s worth giving it a look even if you’re not a regular college viewer as it’s got the two QBs likely to go first in the draft next year, plus four potential first rounders in the secondaries, two first round tackles, two wide receivers, some linemen, and a few running backs.

[Foe]

Got it set to record as I'm north watching Ross county play Aberdeen today. Nightmare scheduling by my pals.

Will watch the recording tomorrow. Praying for an LSU victory - game is being shown on bt sport/espn for those that do want to watch it.

[Dan]

Look at Minnesota effortlessly going up & down the field on Penn State to start this game :drool:

Ohio State potentially losing Chase Young for the rest of the season due to him accepting a loan from a family friend years ago, which he's already paid back, is fantastically lol. I think four games would keep him out of the playoffs as well, so the timing is a bit suspicious *coughNICKSABANcough*

[Giggles]

Do you not have a private group for the college games too?

[Dan]

Nah, it'd probably only be me & Foe.

EDIT: Minnesota 21-10 up coming towards half time & they're inside the red zone again. I thought they were good, and I thought Penn State weren't as good as they were being ranked, but I didn't expect this :drool:

Penn State in the red zone trailing 26-31 with less than 90 seconds to go. They've trailed all game but this is where they have to prove they're worth being put at 4 in the first playoff ranking.

CLIFFORD THROWS A PICK, MINNESOTA ACTUALLY PULLED IT OFF :alan:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Soon the NCAA will start placing $10 bills on the floor of college campuses, if an athlete picks it up he's done.

[Dan]

Apparently the money was so his girlfriend could travel to see him play in the Rose Bowl (not sure how that works if it was before his freshman year). They're also having similar problem in college basketball, so the NCAA are really just crushing it right now.

[Giggles]

Sound cunt Dan.


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[niko_cee]

Only just caught up on last week's games and the definite highlight for me was the Patriots all looking around for an official to throw a flag to stop that runback TD after the fumble, and it never coming.

[Foe]

That Bama LSU game by the way. Oh baby. What a spectacle.

Actually celebrated when they got the game ending first down. LSU are long overdue being good and burrow is such a likeable QB.

That tannehill "fumble" is absolutely wild by the way.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That Bama LSU game by the way. Oh baby. What a spectacle.

Actually celebrated when they got the game ending first down. LSU are long overdue being good and burrow is such a likeable QB.

That tannehill "fumble" is absolutely wild by the way.

Refs gave the Chiefs that.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Tyreek looks like he's broken his collarbone again \0/.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

THAT run by Lamar, my word.

[Giggles]

I can’t wait for someone to break him in half. He’s asking for it in a big way.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, absolute madness. He's like Neo in The Matrix.

[Dan]

That Bama LSU game by the way. Oh baby. What a spectacle.

Actually celebrated when they got the game ending first down. LSU are long overdue being good and burrow is such a likeable QB.

That tannehill "fumble" is absolutely wild by the way.

Yeah, great game. LSU flew out the blocks in the first half & held on in the second, but both RBs helped their draft stock a ton as well - that shot of Clyde Edwards-Helaire crying on (who I assume to be) the RB coach summed up the way Ed Orgeron (and Joe Brady, to be fair) has transformed that team. Coach O was almost crying in the post-game interview as well. There's an article on The Athletic about his pre-games with guys he's coached going on about how he throws shit around & punches himself in the face because he gets so fired up :cool:

[Foe]

They better not fuck it up and lose to ole miss or some other nobody.

To be fair to bama it’s not tattooed for them. Penn state, notre Dame, Oklahoma, Oregon, auburn, Georgia and Florida all have losses too. Just tricky to justify a 1 loss sec non champion in based on “they look really good”.

[Dan]

They better not fuck it up and lose to ole miss or some other nobody.

To be fair to bama it’s not tattooed for them. Penn state, notre Dame, Oklahoma, Oregon, auburn, Georgia and Florida all have losses too. Just tricky to justify a 1 loss sec non champion in based on “they look really good”.

They should be 4 - there's no way that any of those other teams would beat them more than 30% of the time - Georgia & Oklahoma might get 40% I guess.

Think my top 25 looks like this now:
LSU
Ohio State
Clemson
Alabama
-
Georgia
Oklahoma
-
Florida
Auburn
Oregon
Penn State
Utah
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Baylor
Washington
Texas
Notre Dame
-
Wake Forest
Michigan
Kansas State
Iowa
Oklahoma State
Memphis
SMU
Cincinnati

USC are 26 & in the same tier, then there's a drop to the next tier which has the likes of Boise State, UCF in & goes down to 38th.

[Foe]

Yeah. Agree. But can imagine whichever conference(s) miss our will be pissed. Particularly if it’s oregon.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Chiefs :lol:

[Dan]

NEVER gamble on a Titans game.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That final drive by Kyler was shocking.

So much time pissed away.

[niko_cee]

The interception he threw was worse.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What a bullshit call.

Rodgers gets almost as much as Brady.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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[Giggles]

No different from all the Matthews ones that actually cost games when these came in. Correct by the rules.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No different from all the Matthews ones that actually cost games when these came in. Correct by the rules.

It wasn't because the player shifted to the side and didn't plant his weight on the QB.

[Giggles]

It wasn't because the player shifted to the side and didn't plant his weight on the QB.

So did Matthews.

[bruhnaldo]

Imagine getting a pick and when you jump up to celebrate, some twat off your team knocks you so you fall and snap your ankle.

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dude and Florida State is our rival too

I was so mad when this happened

[Dan]

Kittle & Robbie Gould our tonight for San Fran.

[Giggles]

That was good.

[Dan]

Well, that was a heck of a game. Did they grease the ball? Must have been five or six fumbles between the two teams.

[Browning]

Should have been at least 4 more INTs from Seattle. They dropped more easy ones than the Ravens do any time I add them in fantasy.

[Dan]

Vernon Hargreaves got cut by the Bucs today :D Arians had just ripped him for not hustling enough on Sunday, but still surprised to see him go before the end of the year.

Preston Brown got cut by the Bengals too, but that’s not as notable.

[Dan]

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Can’t wait for him to be throwing balls to AB & Dez Bryant in Miami next season :drool:

[bruhnaldo]

I don't think Miami would ever sign Kap cause of that Castro shirt fiasco.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/kaepernicks-castro-shirt-leads-heated-exchange-miami-reporter

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article117033883.html

I've met Armando Salguero and he's a bit of a blowhard but anyways.

[Foe]

Bama move out of the top 4 in the CFP. :drool: and have limited chance to move up. They’re praying for someone above them to fuck up.

[Dan]

Georgia & LSU would play in the SEC Championship game as it stands so one of those two has to lose. You’d imagine it would be Georgia, and they could also lose to Auburn this week.

Ohio State should be fine, but Penn State & Michigan are still on their schedule so it’s not impossible that they lose.

Clemson should be fine. They don’t play anyone the entire season.

[Dan]

Well that got fucking crazy.

Garrett will surely be gone for a while, but let’s not forget about Maurkice Pouncey kicking him in the head while he was on the ground either.

[thommo]

Just the shitty cherry on top of a pretty awful night all round for the Steelers. Pouncey is a meathead, but if you see someone swing a helmet at your QBs head, I feel anger probably is beating logic there 99 times out of 100.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

War Garrett.

[Dan]

Yeah, you can’t really be too mad at Pouncey, but he just went a bit too far with the intervention. Maybe a one game suspension & loss of a game check.

Garrett, however, could probably be permanently banned from the league & it wouldn’t be excessive. Surely has to be the rest of the season at the very least, if not a full year as the starting point. Legal/criminal action wouldn’t be shocking either.

Just mad to see if from someone who’s generally regarding as a really nice, mild mannered bloke.

[thommo]

I think it'll end up being 2 games for Pouncey (maybe to make sure he misses the return match in a fortnight) and till the end of the season for Garrett. Rudolph himself will probably get a hefty fine.

Probably one of the worst overall nights for a while for the Steelers. Shocking performance, losing to a division rival and losing 6 players with injury, 3 of them starters at skill positions. The wildcard race is still wide open for the AFC but with so many key pieces out injured (Diontae Johnson and JuJu with scary concussions last night also), I don't hold out much hope now.

[Gray Fox]

The rematch at the Steelers in a few weeks will be interesting.

[John]

Schefter reckons Garrett is about to get the heaviest suspension in NFL history.

[Gray Fox]

And so he should. He didn't really catch Rudolph with the helmet, but if he'd have swung that with the force of a man his size could, then we'd be having a whole different conversation right now.

I'm expecting somewhere between 10-15 games. Pouncey should be getting a fair few games too.

[Giggles]

Reading down through this I thought you were all just doing your usual Helen Lovejoy routine but it actually is fairly bad. He'll be sitting a while.

[John]

Garrett suspended indefinitely. Christ.

[Giggles]

Minimum rest of the season too.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I thought it would be rest of the season not including Playoffs if they made it.

Indefinetly is massive.

[John]

The Haslams' statement on it makes it sound like they're giving serious thought to cutting him.

[Giggles]

Now that would be Lovejoy territory.

[Foe]

Pretty mental.

Rudolph has done pretty well walking away with just a fine. Garretts fucked given how the NFL want to act and that’s probably a serious fuck up on his part as he’s a $15m a year man when his rookie deal ends... perhaps not now.

Pouncey is just a thug though. Garrett was stupid, pouncey just looking to brawl. Throwing punches and kicks shouldn’t really be accepted either. I’d punt him for the season too.

If they ban Garrett forever I’ll be pissed.

[Gray Fox]

I don't think the indefinite ban will stand.

I'm pretty sure I remember a player getting that in the past and going to court to overrule it. Should probably end up around a season in length of games.

[Ian]

Indefinite really just means "until we decide what to do with you." If they meant a life ban at this stage they'd call it that.

Intent has to count to the fullest here though. You can't go "oh bit he didn't hit him." He tried to brain him with a helmet. Treat it as though he did.

[Foe]

Those calling for legal action are mental.

Yes he hit him with a helmet. But he was happy standing there with it until the stupid prick charged him.

Steelers were awful also by the way. Probably a good thing this has over shadowed how poorly they played and how badly they were for injuries. Game was seriously dirty the whole way though. Lots of bad hits.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think the ban will probably last for a couple of games into the next season.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Also, I think Pouncey only should have been banned for 2 games max.

[Gray Fox]

RIP #TankingForTua 2019-2019

[Foe]

Yeah, hopefully it’s not as bad as a broken hip. He looked uncomfortable.

Burrow and Herbert have had good years too.. not great for him.

Bad for bama really too. No real big wins (and now the auburn game just got tougher). Then again, they won the lot with Jakob Coker and the sec with Blake sims, so who knows.

[Gray Fox]

Also the league are doing their best to upset the Kaepernick workout(should be going on now).

They last minute wanted him to sign a different liability waiver to usual and due to it being in an NFL facility(the Falcons) they also decided that only their NFL cameras should be allowed to film anything for the media.

As such he's short notice switched the workout to a new, open facility. He wants an independent camera crew there and the ability for any team to film if they wish.

I'm hoping it goes well for him. He's better than plenty of back-ups in the league(I mean Mason Rudolph. Come on.) I just don't see it ending up in him being signed. When the President is out to fuck you over to the point you have people turning up to protest you potentially getting a job, I sense a lot of teams will avoid.

[Giggles]

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[Gray Fox]

Uh oh. Early reports saying the injury Tua has looks very similar to the one that ended Bo Jackson.

[Foe]

Unless this was an output of the law suit I don’t get what the NFL is doing getting back involved. There’s plenty of free agents out there, they don’t organise private work outs for all of them, why this guy?

They’ve ended up looking like the bad guys presumably doing something they thought would give them positive PR. Playing with fire. Should’ve just let it be. If teams want to see him, they’d organise it.

Are they going to do the same for Manziel? How about zach mettenberger? Why not invite other free agent qbs?

[Giggles]

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[Gray Fox]

I can't wait for the next lawsuit.

[Foe]

Photographer pitch side knocked out in the Georgia auburn game. Rough!

Probably the kick up the ass needed.. there’s too many people too close to the field in these games. Gtf back behind a barrier.

[Foe]

Also Georgia winning this is great. They need to smash auburn here to make the bama auburn game later in the year moot.

[Dan]

lol at the people putting Minnesota in the CFP then watching them lose to Iowa. Also lol at the people ranking Navy only for them to get shellacked by Notre Dame.

At this rate it’s going to be Oregon that gets in at 4, and I’d fancy any of the other three to kick their heads in.

[Foe]

Mon Utah then.

Iowa is a difficult place to go, so no shame losing there. However, not acceptable if you want in the CFP.

Going to be interesting if Georgia get smashed by LSU as they should in the sec championship game. Georgia has a couple of good wins but will the CFP want to watch a repeat smashing in the semi?

All gets a bit complicated if Ohio state slip up against penn state oe on the championship game or less likely Michigan. Playoff committee really needs Ohio state to win out, Clemson to win out and LSU to edge Georgia in the sec championship. Bama will win out and they’ll argue for eye test to put them in and it might work if the other conferences don’t have clear champions. Can see Georgia being punished for losing the sec championship game if it’s not close.

[Dan]

Bama would have been an easy 4 for me until Tua went down. I've not seen them with Mac Jones but I'm guessing they'll slide slightly down into the Georgia/Oklahoma tier, which opens the door for some of the teams in the next tier down.

Top 25 (well, 27 as that's the end of the tier) looks like this for me now:
LSU
Ohio State
Clemson
-
Alabama
Georgia
Oklahoma
Oregon
-
Auburn
Penn State
Utah
Baylor
-
Florida
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Washington
Michigan
Texas
Notre Dame
Oklahoma State
Memphis
Iowa
USC
Iowa State
SMU
Boise State
Cincinnati
Kansas State

I think Florida could be in the tier above, but they're out of contention for the CFP so I dropped them into the next tier down.

[Ian]

Glad Denver have a good defence so we can hold onto a 20-point lead. :moop:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

According to a Broward County (Fla.) arrest report, Walton allegedly pushed the victim against a wall and punched her several times in the face and head after an argument. The victim is five weeks pregnant, according to the report, and Walton is the father of the child and was made aware of the pregnancy Sunday.

What an absolute cunt.

[Dan]

I assume that’s Mark Walton. Seem to remember he has history.

[bruhnaldo]

Shame cause he played at UMiami :(

[Pleb]

Who are we tanking for now? :moop:

[Dan]

Jeaux Burreaux

Well, the Jets are tanking for an O-like, so probably Andrew Thomas or Tristan Wirfs. Unless they want a WR. Or a CB.

The Jets are bad, essentially.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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NCAA is amazing.

[Lofty]

Garrett aledges Rudolph used a racial slur during the altercation now.

[Giggles]

Took him long enough.

[Gray Fox]

Quite the confusing game there. The Colts took the Rams gameplan from the weekend gone and refused to throw the ball. Every play was pretty much a run, against a team with a decent/good run defence but a horrible pass defence.

Also a strange call I thought in that in trying to run the ball out inside 3 mins, the Texans let Watson keep one and replays showed he clearly fumbled the ball. However they never even looked at it on booth review. It would have given the Colts the ball around the 50 with some minute left on the clock as well.

[Browning]

It may have been within 3 minutes... but was it within 2?

Edit- assuming it was from the second part.

[Pleb]

Garrett aledges Rudolph used a racial slur during the altercation now.
ORLY? :sherlock: