The NFL Thread

[Dan]

He only really has Philly & Oakland as likely landing spots anyway, so top 50 was always the more reasonable range. I’d still expect him to stay there though - it’s not a great time, but it’s tolerable for what he is. Oakland’s early second rounder is the spot I’d be looking at most, to be honest.

This RB class is the worst in several years though, so we’re not going to see many guys go before day three (I’d guess maybe 5 - Jacobs, Sanders, Henderson, Harris & Montgomery). Could be some nice value in the later rounds though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah, we'd have been heavy favourites for him had we not gotten Ingram.

[Dan]

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And we thought DK’s agilities were bad :|

[Dan]

Also Clay Matthews has gone to the Rams, Randall Cohn to Dallas & Burfict to the Raiders.

[thommo]

I read somewhere that Burfict has totalled almost $5 million in fines since entering the league.

Will be interesting to see if Mr. Big Chest holds any resentment for his multiple cheap shots in the AFC North bloodbaths.

[Dan]

Three seasons running he’s been suspended for the opening game :cool:

[Gray Fox]

Gronk has just retired.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Probably should have gone the year before as he was horseshit for the vast majority of last season.

Maclin has also retired.

[Giggles]

Probably should have gone the year before as he was horseshit for the vast majority of last season.

Maclin has also retired.

Yeah why bother with that Superbowl ring?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah but he didn't know he'd get one going into the season.

[Gray Fox]

There's only like 3 teams in the AFC now the Steelers are looking shitter. All on Mahomes and Big Dick Nick to stop them now, but it's almost a guaranteed appearance in the championship game.

EDIT: Disclaimer. We don't yet know just how good the Browns will be.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They're the Browns, they'll still be shit.

[thommo]

Over/under on 10.5 wins for the Browns? I'd be tempted to say over.

[Gray Fox]

Depends how good Kitchens is with pressure on him.

They should be winning that division now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Over/under on 10.5 wins for the Browns? I'd be tempted to say over.

Under.

The last time they hit 11 wins was 1994 with Belichick pre-Ravens.

Only 7 teams managed 11 wins or more last year too, it's not so easy.

[thommo]

I know it'll be tough and it has been a long long time since they've done it, but with their talent on the roster now, why not?

Mayfield genuinely seems to be that incredible franchise QB they've been dreaming of, they have young WR, RB & TE talent, and a dominating defence. They play the AFC East (should be 3 wins), NFC West (2 wins), AFC North twice (4 wins), Broncos & Titans (2 wins).

[Giggles]

Sophmore slump for Mayfield and 8-8.

[Gray Fox]

Packers v Bears to start the season, to celebrate the oldest rivalry in the sport.

[Gray Fox]

Eagles trading for Jordan Howard :wub:

[Dan]

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Hello :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Good move, I like Howard a lot.

[Dan]

Bad news for Josh Jacobs, mind. Really looking at that early second round pick for Oakland as the landing spot now.

Pick is a 2020 sixth that could become a fifth, apparently.

[Gray Fox]

That's a #NewProfilePic sorted.

Seems very cheap too. Howie fucking Roseman.

[Dan]

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Just absolutely decimating his draft stock since the season ended.

[Giggles]

The AAF is kicking the bucket.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Disappointing but I didn't bother with it after week 2.

[Gray Fox]

How dare they deny us Johnny Football and Hackenberg on the same roster.

[Dan]

Disappointing but I didn't bother with it after week 2.

Yeah, this basically. I guess we're the problem :D

[Ian]

They're just scared of the XFL.

[Giggles]

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[Dan]

Can’t wait to see where Trent signs :drool:

[Gray Fox]

Press F to pay respects.

[niko_cee]

Isn't that a bit like us announcing that effectively immediately all TTH posters are authorised to sign with NFL clubs?

[Gray Fox]

Yes, if we were about to close down the website.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I would like to officially offer my services as Patriots third string QB.

[Gray Fox]

I'm going for more my skill level and offering my services as Swoop.

https://i.gyazo.com/8a31fbb150a722fb7521c2e1b65d773b.png

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What skill does the third QB for the Pats need?

The ability to fetch Brady some Gatorade/water and clean his Super Bowl rings?

[Gray Fox]

I mean, you'd have to wear a Pats jersey.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm out.

[Dan]

Holy shit JJAW (Stanford WR JJ Arcega-Whiteside, a former basketball player who DOMINATES in the red zone) ran a 4.49 at his pro day today :cab:

That's him up into the second round then. This WR class is full of massive freaks.

[Giggles]

All sounds top notch.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/04/aaf-player-says-his-personal-credit-card-was-charged-for-stay-at-team-hotel/

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/04/aaf-players-left-stranded-with-nowhere-to-live/

[Gray Fox]

The Jets are unveiling some new Jerseys live on Facebook and it's full of cringe and is being dragged out far too long.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Ryan Grant, who we almost signed last year on a 4 year $29m contract has gone to the Raiders on a 1 year $2.5m deal.

[Gray Fox]

Gotham Green and Spotlight White uniforms. They look more like College Jerseys to be fair.

[Dan]

Interesting article on the Packers & all the Rodgers/McCarthy stuff (https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2828649-what-happened-in-green-bay.amp.html)

[Ian]

Lol at the state of him if he genuinely held a grudge because McCarthy didn't draft him while coaching another team.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Rodgers does seem like the type.

[Giggles]

The article basically says Rodgers is a prick. I could have told them that in a paragraph.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We are saved as we have acquired a TOP TOP TOP WR...

Seth Roberts on a 1 year deal, a man who has never topped 500 yards in his 4 seasons.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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AB really is a bit of a dick.

[Gray Fox]

Guys had a top quality QB with an arm cannon throwing it to him all of his career after just about getting drafted.

I guess we'll see how talented he really is with Derek Carr throwing to him instead.

[bruhnaldo]

So AB isn't good now because his QB was competent?

[Gray Fox]

I'm not suggesting he's bad, but he's been on a high powered offence with good QB all his life.

Mr. Big Checks has been writing a lot of them with his mouth this off season and he's going to have a line of people waiting to cash in at this rate.

[Giggles]

Seeing him flop would be wonderful.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:cool:

It would be amazing if he's able to come back one day.

[Dan]

It'd be amazing if he could just live a normal, healthy life with full physical capacity, to be fair. Not sure anyone would sign off on letting him play again no matter how well he recovers, or if he'd even want to, but considering people were crying when Teddy stepped on the field again the entire stadium would probably drown itself if Shazier even put a helmet on again.

[Gray Fox]

They'll take him on for a commemorative down, maybe for a QB kneel some time. That'll be about it.

[Foe]

They'll take him on for a commemorative down, maybe for a QB kneel some time. That'll be about it.

Yeah. Not sure a player expected to thump folk he'd ever be allowed back even if he got back to an appropriate fitness and level of quality. He'd have to sign a slip basically signing off any right whatsoever to compensation. Even then the NFL might say no.

Coaching/PR seems/inspirational speaker seems more likely.

[Dan]

Fournette has been arrested for speeding & driving with a suspended license. He’s already had all the guaranteed money in his deal voided after last season.

:wave:

[Gray Fox]

We need a new place for players to go to die now the Browns are actually good.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Raiders although the Browns will still shit the bed.

[Dan]

We need a new place for players to go to die now the Browns are actually good.

Cincinnati, Washington & Detroit all seem like solid.contenders to me.

Miami & Oakland are the other ones, and probably the best options right now, but they both might actually have a plan, so they could be the first ones of the bunch to actually get their shit together. The other three just feel eternally stuck in nothingness.

[thommo]

Cincinnati are just perennial disappointments. The only season where they showed any promise was 2015 before Dalton broke his finger, and even then they managed to throw away that chance of a play off win.

Buffalo could also take that title. No one wants to play up in the frozen wastes really when you could be living it up in sunnier pastures with teams that actually have a chance.

[Ian]

The Browns have found a way to revert to shitness in the past, let's not write them off just yet.

[Gray Fox]

Buffalo is a good shout in the meantime.

When your head coach has to come out and defend the place and insist people do actually want to come and sign for you, it's never a good sign.

[thommo]

The Browns have found a way to revert to shitness in the past, let's not write them off just yet.

There's a real possibility that everyone shits the bed in the AFC North, and the Steelers still manage to limp into the playoffs going 8-8.

In reality, I do think the Browns can hit 10 or 11 wins with their roster now.

[Ian]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/12/xfl-considering-allowing-multiple-forward-passes-play-oliver-luck

Gadget plays ahoy.

[Dan]

Russ got paid :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Four years and $140 million, with $107 million guaranteed and includes a no-trade clause.

Woof, although he probably deserves it. He is their entire offense.

[Gray Fox]

In the top 3 QBs in the league I'd say, so he was always getting paid.

[Dan]

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100/1000/10 season incoming then I guess.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Not going to bother with Wembley this year but I might go to the two at Spurs.

[Browning]

I’m away for the Rams game (typical..) but I’ll do the other 3 and just find someone to use my ticket for that one.

[thommo]

I've still never been, but I do fancy it this year. Might see if I can make one at each.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Chiefs have paid BIG for Frank Clark.

First round pick this year, second round pick next year and swap of third round picks this year.

[John]

That's not much less than my boys paid for Odell, and Clark is on a tag so they'll still need to negotiate a contract with him won't they?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They've just announced it.

5 years, $105.5m with $63.5m guaranteed.

[Dan]

Wowzers. Chiefs are definitely trying to win now.

Frank Clark just dominated Kolton Miller at Wembley last season so I bet he’s delighted to get to face him twice a season now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah, he was all over him.

It was fascinating to watch, he had the beating of him almost every snap.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Lynch has retired again.

Lord Justin Tucker has also been given a new 4 year contract.

[Pleb]

Draft tomorrow apparently :|

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm going to watch it but I'm fully expecting us to trade down, possibly even to 32nd or out of the first round altogether.

Especially as a report has been 'released' stating that we're very interested in Josh Jacobs. That should scare the shit out of the Raiders who pick a couple after us and there should still be a handful of TOP PROSPECTS (all the WRs, OL guys and possibly Sweat/Ferrell) available for us to still take one and gather some extra picks.

[Pleb]

Whispers of the Cardinals trading their number one pick to the Raiders :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Redskins are rumoured to be moving up to the top 5 from 15 which would be a HEFTY price.

[Gray Fox]

Last team to do that was the Eagles for Wentz. Traded from I think 14 to 2.

[Foe]

Clearly not convinced by Alex smiths recovery then.

[Giggles]

Draft tomorrow apparently :|

What time is it on at? NFL.com tells you fuck all any more and is just one big gamepass ad these days.

[Dan]

I think Round 1 starts at 1am tonight, so no sleep for me :drool:

[thommo]

Really looking forward to it, and I've got tomorrow off to catch up on my sleep. I'm binge listening to the Around the NFL podcast today to get me in the mood.

[Browning]

Fuck watching the draft. It’s the most boring thing I’ve ever tried to sit through.

[Ian]

That it's a big draw as a televised event is reasonably high on my list of shit I simply cannot understand. Why you wouldn't watch literally anything else and just read results and stories as they come out is entirely beyond me.

[thommo]

I personally enjoy the event as it's nice to have something NFL related on TV through the long off-season. The coverage is generally detailed and in-depth, and I like to get a look at some of the lesser known names coming into the league, especially as I don't follow any college football.

Plus, David Akers made it all worth it last year (although admittedly that was the 2nd round).

[Gray Fox]

Akers was the highlight of the draft.

Couldn't write it better after Pearson had given the Eagles fans in Philly shit the year before.

[Dan]

Just watch the Bleacher Report or Draft Network streams instead of the actual NFL coverage - they’ll also be slightly ahead on the picks, but I’m never sure whether I actually like that or not.

[Foe]

Anyone done a mock draft?

I'm really struggling with Tampa bay at 5. Absolutely no idea where they go. Probably a trade.

[Dan]

Anyone done a mock draft?

I'm really struggling with Tampa bay at 5. Absolutely no idea where they go. Probably a trade.

I have time to kill, so here are a couple of different first round mocks, a normal one & a spicy one:

Normal:
1 - ARI, Kyler Murray
2 - SF, Nick Bosa
3 - NYJ, Ed Oliver
4 - OAK, Quinnen Williams
5 - TB, Devin White
6 - NYG, Dwayne Haskins
7 - JAC, Jawaan Taylor
8 - CIN, Drew Lock
9 - BUF, Josh Allen
10 - DEN, Devin Bush
11 - DET, TJ Hockenson
12 - GB, Brian Burns
13 - MIA, Jonah Williams
14 - ATL, Christian Wilkins
15 - WAS, Daniel Jones
16 - CAR, Andre Dillard
17 - NYG, Montez Sweat
18 - MIN, Cody Ford
19 - TE, Clelin Ferrell
20 - PIT, Greedy Williams
21 - SEA, Rashan Gary
22 - BAL, DK Metcalf
23 - HOU, Dalton Risner
24 - OAK, Noah Fant
25 - PHI, Marquise Brown
26 - IND, Jeffery Simmons
27 - OAK, Rock Ya-Sin
28 - LAC, Dexter Williams
29 - SEA, Chauncey Gardener-Johnson
30 - GB, Jonathan Abram
31 - LAR, Garrett Bradbury
32 - NE, AJ Brown

Spicy:
1 - ARI, Quinnen Williams
2 - SF, Nick Bosa
3 - BUF, Ed Oliver
4 - WAS, Kyler Murray
5 - TB, Devin White
6 - NYG, Daniel Jones
7 - JAC, TJ Hockenson
8 - CIN, Dwayne Haskins
9 - NYJ, Josh Allen
10 - DEN, Drew Lock
11 - DET, Rashan Gary
12 - GB, Devin Bush
13 - HOU, Jonah Williams
14 - ATL, Christian Wilkins
15 - OAK, Greedy Williams
16 - CAR, Jawaan Taylor
17 - NYG, Cody Ford
18 - MIN, Garrett Bradbury
19 - NE, Noah Fant
20 - PIT, Rock Ya-Sin
21 - SEA, Brian Burns
22 - BAL, Erik McCoy
23 - MIA, Andre Dillard
24 - OAK, DK Metcalf
25 - PHI, Jeffery Simmons
26 - IND, Clelin Ferrell
27 - OAK, Joshua Jacobs
28 - LAC, Dalton Risner
29 - SEA, Juan Thornhill
30 - GB, Marquise Brown
31 - SF, Byron Murphy
32 - TEN, Montez Sweat

Four hours to go.

I'm going to stay away from the chatter now but there seem to be a few picks in the top ten that are almost nailed on if the player is still there, and a couple that looked to be that might be suddenly swinging in a different direction.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I am 99% sure that we will trade down.

That is my mock.

[Foe]

I have time to kill, so here are a couple of different first round mocks, a normal one & a spicy one:

Normal:
1 - ARI, Kyler Murray
2 - SF, Nick Bosa
3 - NYJ, Ed Oliver
4 - OAK, Quinnen Williams
5 - TB, Devin White
6 - NYG, Dwayne Haskins
7 - JAC, Jawaan Taylor
8 - CIN, Drew Lock
9 - BUF, Josh Allen
10 - DEN, Devin Bush
11 - DET, TJ Hockenson
12 - GB, Brian Burns
13 - MIA, Jonah Williams
14 - ATL, Christian Wilkins
15 - WAS, Daniel Jones
16 - CAR, Andre Dillard
17 - NYG, Montez Sweat
18 - MIN, Cody Ford
19 - TE, Clelin Ferrell
20 - PIT, Greedy Williams
21 - SEA, Rashan Gary
22 - BAL, DK Metcalf
23 - HOU, Dalton Risner
24 - OAK, Noah Fant
25 - PHI, Marquise Brown
26 - IND, Jeffery Simmons
27 - OAK, Rock Ya-Sin
28 - LAC, Dexter Williams
29 - SEA, Chauncey Gardener-Johnson
30 - GB, Jonathan Abram
31 - LAR, Garrett Bradbury
32 - NE, AJ Brown

Spicy:
1 - ARI, Quinnen Williams
2 - SF, Nick Bosa
3 - BUF, Ed Oliver
4 - WAS, Kyler Murray
5 - TB, Devin White
6 - NYG, Daniel Jones
7 - JAC, TJ Hockenson
8 - CIN, Dwayne Haskins
9 - NYJ, Josh Allen
10 - DEN, Drew Lock
11 - DET, Rashan Gary
12 - GB, Devin Bush
13 - HOU, Jonah Williams
14 - ATL, Christian Wilkins
15 - OAK, Greedy Williams
16 - CAR, Jawaan Taylor
17 - NYG, Cody Ford
18 - MIN, Garrett Bradbury
19 - NE, Noah Fant
20 - PIT, Rock Ya-Sin
21 - SEA, Brian Burns
22 - BAL, Erik McCoy
23 - MIA, Andre Dillard
24 - OAK, DK Metcalf
25 - PHI, Jeffery Simmons
26 - IND, Clelin Ferrell
27 - OAK, Joshua Jacobs
28 - LAC, Dalton Risner
29 - SEA, Juan Thornhill
30 - GB, Marquise Brown
31 - SF, Byron Murphy
32 - TEN, Montez Sweat

Four hours to go.

I'm going to stay away from the chatter now but there seem to be a few picks in the top ten that are almost nailed on if the player is still there, and a couple that looked to be that might be suddenly swinging in a different direction.

Yeah, the more I think about Haskins the more I struggle to believe Haskins slips past cincy.

[Pleb]

The Cardinals are probably praying for someone to take Kyler Murray off their hands.

My money is on the Ravens or god fucking forbid the Dolphins or Jets :sherlock:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Why would we want a speedy QB who can't pass? We've already got one.

Edit: Oh and at least ours doesn't have the physique of a 14 year old.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Anthem Watch:

Little bit of a slow rendition but still a cracking set of pipes and at least she isn't fucking about with it bar the speed.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Curveball, Cards take Bosa here and Murray slips out of the top 5.

[Pleb]

The Lions want to trade down to the Falcons pick.

It's started :drool:

[Pleb]

The annual booing of the NFL commissioner never gets old :D

Mariota :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm glad the Eagles dickhead didn't win.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That list of first round picks under Steve Keim is disgustingly bad.

[Pleb]

Oh shit the Bengals want Murray :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No they don't.

Smith was just saying that they might be willing to move up and take a QB. They wont have enough capital to go up to 1 or 2.

[Pleb]

CBS just confirmed it's Murray.

Amazing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I predict that he will miss at least 6 games due to injury this season.

[Pleb]

He won't last a season.

Rosen is potentially getting traded to either Redskins or Giants apparently.

[Pleb]

Fuck me they locked him into a 4 year contract worth over $35m :D

That's bold and stupid.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Nick Bosa is going to destroy Kyler.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fuck me they locked him into a 4 year contract worth over $35m :D

That's bold and stupid.

That's normal.

I think Baker got like 33 or 34 in his contract.

[Pleb]

If we're trading down the Raiders are going to sneak in I feel.

...or someone like the Broncos or something.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They weren't going to trade down with Quinnen Williams/Josh Allen there.

[Pleb]

Yeah we took Williams.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jets have a scary defence now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Smart choice here is Ed Oliver or Josh Allen.

Raiders move is a QB.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I was hearing rumours that he'd be available in the 20s.

[Pleb]

:D

They fucked it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They could have gotten him with their next pick. Possibly.

Why not Allen?

[Pleb]

CBS had him at 21, 16, 21, 16, 21, 21 in their mocks :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Apparently Oliver and Allen have the same agent as Khalil Mack so they didn't want to go down that road :harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

CBS had him at 21, 16, 21, 16, 21, 21 in their mocks :D

I've seen him as low as 27th which is the Raiders third pick in the first round...

[Pleb]

So Josh Allen to the Giants then?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Read a few reports saying that Devin White MIGHT slip to us at 22 but I felt him going out of the top 10 would be crazy.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

So Josh Allen to the Giants then?

Daniel Jones.

[Pleb]

So a younger version of Eli.

Got it.

[Pleb]

Jaguars :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I thought they were going for a lineman here but they clearly couldn't say no to Allen.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:D

Stunning.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Cards have fucked this hard.

They set too big a price on derpy Rosen and now they'll have to hope that someone will be willing to give a third. They've lost all the BIG trade partners now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Eagles trolled Texans hard.

Jumped above them to take the player they wanted and they panicked MASSIVELY.

Edit: HOLLYWOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

Still think we should have taken Cody Ford but it's still a HUGE pick.

[Gray Fox]

As soon as I saw we traded up I knew the Josh Jacobs dream was over. Still top work gazumping the Texans like that.

It's never flashy taking a tackle there but the team is pretty stacked in most places. Maybe a little weak at corner for my liking but it's been fine in the play-offs the past 2 seasons.

[Dan]

Well that was one of the most predictable top 10s I can recall. Glad I decided not to bother getting up after my pre-draft nap now :D

Clelin Ferrell was the only big shock - even Pittsburgh coming up for Devin Bush wasn't all that surprising. Houston taking Tytus Howard was the obligatory 'lolwut' pick for this year, especially as Jawaan Taylor, Cody Ford & Dalton Risner are all still on the board. Falcons trading up for Kaleb McGary gets a similar response. Lindstrom & Savage might be surprises, but they're both quality players (Savage in particular has the most enjoyable film to watch of anyone in the draft), and

Dillard & Hollywood should be a couple of good picks, and Denver did well trading back & taking Fant, but the Titans taking Jeffery Simmons might be the best pick of the round. Sure he'll miss most/all of next season, but he's an absolute monster & putting him with Harold Landry is almost enough to make me a secret Titans fan. Panthers getting Brian Burns is up there too.

Also this is an exceptional tweet:
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[Ian]

The Denver pick feels a bit underwhelming but hopefully we'll make up for it with the extra pick. (We won't.)

[Browning]

That all sounds boring.

Tyreek Hill is done.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Kansas City Chiefs general manager Brett Veach told reporters Thursday night that wide receiver Tyreek Hill "will not take part in any team activities" for the foreseeable future after a television station aired audio that shows Hill telling his fiancee about punching and using a belt to discipline their son one day after prosecutors reluctantly declined to file charges in a domestic incident.

Mong.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Less than eight hours later, KCTV in Kansas City aired part of an 11-minute audio file in which Hill's fiancee, Crystal Espinal, tells Hill their son had said, "Daddy did it."

Hill denies any role in what happened to the child's arm, adding: "He says Daddy does a lot of things."

She also tells Hill their son is "terrified of you."

Hill replies, "You need to be terrified of me, too, b----."

Later in the conversation, Espinal asks Hill, "What do you do when the child is bad? You make him open up his arms and you punch him in the chest."

What an absolute cunt.

[niko_cee]

I find it amusing that the NFL make such a big deal about all these interviews draft-bods have to do and the psychological profiling they get up to. Either they take no real heed of it (likely) or it's just absolute shite (also likely) seeing as every mongo and his dog seems to get through if they're athletically capable.

Guess KC'll have to wear it and then some other team will pick him up after he's served his half-season ban or whatever it will be.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He also punched and strangled his fiance when she was pregnant just before the draft.

So no one could have seen this coming.

[Foe]

Enjoyed that. Seems wild that th cardinals are deciding to move on already. If Rosen was pissed at going tenth last year he will probably explode today.

[Dan]

I can't wait for New England to take Rosen for a mid second rounder & end up with another decade of playoff football once Brady is done.

Couldn't help but notice the three other AFC East teams all took athletic, penetrating interior defensive lineman :sherlock:

[Bartholomert]

So a younger version of Eli.

Got it.

That's my (Duke) Quarterback!

Horrible pick tho.

[Dan]

In terms of players left on the board who are likely to be in play tonight, we have:

QB:
- Drew Lock, Missouri
- Will Grier, West Virginia
- Ryan Finley, NC State
- Tyree Jackson, Buffalo

RB:
- Miles Sanders, Penn State
- David Montgomery, Iowa State
- Darrell Henderson, Memphis
- Damien Harris, Alabama

WR:
- DK Metcalf, Ole Miss (injury history & poor combine agilities)
- Kelvin Harmon, NC State
- Hakeem Butler, Iowa State
- AJ Brown, Ole Miss
- Parris Campbell, Ohio State
- Deebo Samuel, South Carolina
- JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Stanford
- Riley Ridley, Georgia
- Terry McLaurin, Ohio State

TE:
- Irv Smith Jr, Alabama
- Jace Sternberger, Texas A&M
- Dawson Knox, Ole Miss
- Kahale Warring, San Diego State
- Foster Moreau, LSU


OL
- RT Jawaan Taylor, Florida (apparently he has a knee injury that scared teams off him in R1)
- RT/G Cody Ford, Oklahoma
- OL Dalton Risner, Kansas State
- C/G Erik McCoy, Texas A&M
- C/G Elgton Jenkins, Mississippi State
- OL Michael Deiter, Wisconsin
- G Nate Davis, Charlotte
- OT Greg Little, Ole Miss

DL
- Khalen Saunders, Western Illinois
- Dre'Mont Jones, Ohio State
- Renell Wren, Arizona State
- DL/EDGE Zach Allen, Boston College
- DL/EDGE Charles Omenihu, Texas
- DL/EDGE Jaylon Ferguson, Louisiana Tech


EDGE
- Jachai Polite, Florida (bombed the combine & pro day, some attitude concerns)
- Chase Winovich, Michigan
- Christian Miller, Alabama (lots of injuries)
- Ben Banogu, TCU


LB:
- Mack Wilson, Alabama
- Blake Cashman, Minnesota
- Drue Tranquill, Notre Dame
- Vosean Joseph, Florida


DB:
- CB Greedy Williams, LSU (attitude concerns)
- CB Byron Murphy, Washington (small & not super fast)
- DB Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Florida
- DB Nasir Adderley, Delaware
- CB Julian Love, Notre Dame
- S Taylor Rapp, Washington
- CB Rock Ya-Sin, Temple
- CB Amani Oruwariye, Penn State
- DB Juan Thornhill, Virginia
- S Deionte Thompson, Alabama
- CB Sean Bunting, Central Michigan
- CB Justin Layne, Michigan State
- S Amani Hooker, Iowa
- CB Joejuan Williams, Vanderbilt
- CB Lonnie Johnson, Kentucky
- CB Trevon Mullen, Clemson

Shitloads of talent left, with plenty of room for surprise reaches still. This class isn't great on R1 talent, but there are a fuckload of players in the R2-R4 range, so we should get some serious value the rest of the way. I think day two is my favourite day of the draft :drool:

[Ian]

Tyreek Hill is vermin but then we all knew that before all this happened.

[Bartholomert]

I was reading somewhere that Metcalf's cone agility numbers were around Tom Brady's at the combine. Dude is a bust waiting to happen.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He wont be a bust but he'll only really be someone who runs a very basic route tree (go routes pretty much).

The size and speed will ensure that he's not a failure but he wont be a star.

[Giggles]

That's some nice business by the Dolphins. Last year's 10th overall pick for 48th this year.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Per MMQB, the Cardinals only began to legitimately shop Rosen minutes before the draft's 8 p.m. ET start time. And they were hard-line on wanting a first-round pick, something that no team would give up.

Minutes before? They had fucking months to try and deal him.

[Giggles]

Per MMQB, the Cardinals only began to legitimately shop Rosen minutes before the draft's 8 p.m. ET start time. And they were hard-line on wanting a first-round pick, something that no team would give up.

Minutes before? They had fucking months to try and deal him.

Not unless they wanted to show their hand for the first pick. Few do.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think everyone has known their hand for the last month at least.

[Ian]

GMs are super paranoid though. Even if they can only sow the tiniest shred of doubt they'll frequently do it.

[Bartholomert]

Per MMQB, the Cardinals only began to legitimately shop Rosen minutes before the draft's 8 p.m. ET start time. And they were hard-line on wanting a first-round pick, something that no team would give up.

Minutes before? They had fucking months to try and deal him.

I legitimately don't understand the upside of doing this.

[Browning]

Rosen cost them a 1st, a 3rd and a 5th last year. Throw in the 1st they spent on Murray and even getting a second back is terrible business, and that’s ignoring the millions they paid out to Bradford and Glennon.

[Pleb]

Next round starts at 11 right?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Man, that special piece on Dalton Reisner is something.

Seems to be a legitimately brilliant guy. Hope he gets drafted early tonight and has a long career.

[Dan]

I was reading somewhere that Metcalf's cone agility numbers were around Tom Brady's at the combine. Dude is a bust waiting to happen.

Yeah, they were bad. Probably why most big receivers don't actually run them. Everything else was on Calvin Johnson's level though.

If teams use him correctly he could be an absolute monster - easily the highest ceiling WR in the class - but if he gets drafted to a bad situation where he's expected to do things he doesn't excel at it'll be much harder for him.

I was hoping for him to the Raiders yesterday, so I'll carry that over to their early second rounder. Or you can let him slip all the way to New Orleans if you like :drool:

[Dan]

Man, that special piece on Dalton Reisner is something.

Seems to be a legitimately brilliant guy. Hope he gets drafted early tonight and has a long career.

Dude is probably the most universally loved prospect in the class. He'd be a great option for Arizona considering they need an entire O-line. Hopefully he goes early today.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I might bet on him to be Walter Payton Man of the Year in his rookie year.

What a guy.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Goddell should just walk around Nashville with Eddie George and Tim McGraw constantly.

Probably the best reception that 'he' has ever had.

[Dan]

Sounds like Byron Murphy to the Cardinals. I'm watching BR today so I have no idea how early they're tipping picks, but they're already recording their reaction video so it seems pretty certain.

Here's the link if anyone wants to watch. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoT9qDikH30) Did BR last year too & their coverage is pretty solid.

Might go for the TDN stream tomorrow to complete the set.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Reggie Wayne :D

Hero.

[Dan]

Rock Ya-Sin for Indy.

Two great picks to start the day.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Woof.

Jags with Josh Allen and Jawaan Taylor.

What a duo they've picked up.

[Dan]

Jags trading up with Oakland

Do people want me to spoiler ahead of the picks being announced?

Realised I hadn't caught up yet from pausing before the draft starts so I was a minute behind the stream :D

Jawaan was my pick for them in the first round, so this is like the year they got Jalen Ramsey & Myles Jack, which turned out pretty well.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We're fucking ahead of you by these posts.

[Dan]

I'm ahead now. Skipped to catch up on BR & opened the NFL stream to compare.

Deebo Samuel :thbup:

[Dan]

Seattle trading back (AGAIN) with Carolina for Greg Little :harold:

[Dan]

Raiders joining Seattle in the trade back squad, Buffalo now on the clock.

Cody Ford. They're stacking up on offensive line this offseason - think they have two full new lines at this point.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Greedy Williams > Bunting.

[Dan]

Interesting one from Tampa. Bunting is decent (I'd have had him in the 50-100 range), but clearly Greedy has pissed off a lot of people to get passed up for all these guys.

[Dan]

Speaking of which...

Trayvon Mullen. Two Clemson guys for the Raiders now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Awful pick.

[Dan]

It's your boy :drool: Great pick, obviously.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Risner :cool:

[Dan]

Should be their RT, but he can play center too, and they did just lose Matt Paradis...

[Dan]

Two picks in a row for Denver...

Drew Lock, of course. Elway can't resist.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Disrespecting the fuck outta Joe.

[Dan]

WOOOOOW :|

I like the kid, but I had him as a day three guy. Dane Brugler loves him though, if I remember rightly. He'll be a great special teams guy & considering they're basically the Patriots they'll find a role for him to be successful.

[Dan]

Packers working their way through their needs here - Elgton Jenkins is a solid C/G & GB needs some iOL help.

[Dan]

Patriots pick is in...
Joejuan Williams. Another CB goes ahead of Greedy.

Not sure about this one, but it's the Patriots so he'll probably end up being a good player.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Packers working their way through their needs here - Elgton Jenkins is a solid C/G & GB needs some iOL help.

I saw some outlets mock him to the Ravens at 22 so good value as well.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's pretty solid value. Another guy I'd put in the 50-100 bucket.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I wonder why Greedy is slipping.

[Dan]

Oh shit Cleveland running wild :drool:

Greedy :cool:

This isn't going to help their SuperBowl odds.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Not for much longer...

Fuck, he had to come to our fucking division.

Ward and Greedy is fucking nasty.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Jim Brown isn't looking so good :\

He can't have much left in his tank.

[Dan]

Someone should tell Jim Brown what year it is :D

[Dan]

We've traded up with Miami :uhoh:

Marquise Blair is a good old Seattle pick. They just seem to have a completely different draft board to everyone else. Good player, but another guy who's probably a round ahead of where he should be.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Dolphins trading down to get some more capital to sweeten the pot for Rosen?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fuck the Saints.

He was never going to drop to us in the third round but still. FUCK YOU.

[Dan]

OH YES I LIKE THAT ONE :drool:

I'd have fallen off my chair if we'd have taken DK, but Erik McCoy should immediately be our new starting center, and we now have depth at O-line again.

It'd be great if we could stop giving away premium picks for the following year, mind. Surely we didn't need to throw in a 2020 second rounder to move up 15 spots?

[Dan]

Colts just loading up on second round edge rushers the last two drafts - Tyqwan Lewis & Kemoko Turay last year, now Banogu.

[Dan]

Vikings having a nice draft so far.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Knew that was coming.

I like AJ a lot.

[thommo]

Nice pick for the Titans. Surprised Miami haven't made the move for Rosen yet.

[Dan]

Didn't expect Sample so early - had him as a day three guy.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Drew Sample? :lol:

Can he even catch?

You can scoop blocking TE's out of a bucket.

[Dan]

He's solid all round, but probably not good enough as a pass catcher to justify the pick. Guess he could get the Kyle Rudolph path to success.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They already had a blocking TE (who they overpaid) in Uzomah too.

[Dan]

Eagles get...
Miles Sanders. Let me dig out that old quote again.

[Dan]

They already had a blocking TE (who they overpaid) in Uzomah too.

Guess they're going run heavy this year.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Nuk :cool:

He looks like he could be a beat poet.

[Dan]

Texans just swing wildly when it comes to offensive linemen. Not sure Watson is going to be any safer this season.

[Dan]

KC trade. Please tell me it's DK :alan:

Not quite, but Hardman is pretty much a glowing neon sign that says 'Tyreek Hill is gone'.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

And with that, Tyreek Hill the piece of shit is replaced.

[Dan]

WR run is starting. Eagles pick JJAW :cool:

DK, Hakeem Butler & Kelvin Harmon still on the board, mind.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Read that we were VERY INTERESTED in JJ if he was there in the third.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Also, I wonder what odds you'd have gotten on JJ going ahead of DK.

[Dan]

Matt Miller says the talk on DK is that people think he's on steroids so he's slipping because of that (on top of the medical concerns that come with breaking your neck).

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Luck is going to love Campbell.

That's a great pick.

[Dan]

That's a fun pick for sure. He's the guy I'd have down as being the closest to matching Tyreek Hill's ceiling, but you're relying on him being able to run deep routes rather than just drags & screens.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Adderley and Derwin :drool:

[Dan]

That's another fun pick.

[Dan]

Aww man :(

Taylor Rapp to the Rams.

Love the guy.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Rosen has gone to Miami.

Cardinals fucked this bad.

[Dan]

It is done :drool:

This was our pick though, so we could have done this ourselves.

[Dan]

Arizona going full on 'small & speedy' on offence now. I hope they take Justice Hill & Josh Oliver on day three to complete the set.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Isn't he a day 3 guy?

They've fucked it so hard.

[Dan]

Didn't take long for the Twitter shit to roll up :rosebud:

Juan Thornhill & Tyran Mathieu on the same defence should be awesome.

[Dan]

OH BOY SEATTLE :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Thought that was coming when they traded up.

[Dan]

Steelers with an interesting one.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

RB/WR at 6 foot 4?

The fuck.

[Dan]

NOOOOOOOOOO :cry: That was my guy.

This San Francisco offence could be all kinds of fun.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I was thinking Polite might drop to us.

[Dan]

Good pick, that (assuming he doesn't half arse it).

[Dan]

Not got this pick yet but we already have the Denver pick...

Dre'Mont Jones :drool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Todd Gurley has Spikey/DS gammy knees clearly.

[Dan]

Rams taking Darrell Henderson :| What does this say for Todd Gurley?

[Dan]

Next two picks:

Cincy take Germaine Pratt
Chicago trade up & take David Montgomery

[Dan]

Such a Patriot pick :drool:

He'll be a beast.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Can I just say, fuck Kenyan Drake.

[Dan]

I love Michael Deiter. Miami's having a nice draft (as are Washington, shockingly).

Actually, most teams are doing a decent job, to be fair.

[Dan]

There are some great names in this LB class - we've had Jahlani Tavai & Sione Takitaki, but we've still got Joseph Taufefa & Ulysees Gilbert III, among others.

[Dan]

I like Will Harris. Another guy who isn't a big name & might have gone a bit high, but should be a good player in the system.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I like Will Harris. Another guy who isn't a big name & might have gone a bit high, but should be a good player in the system.

Lions heard that the Patriots liked him so they had to take him.

[Dan]

We have the Baltimore pick...
NCAA all-time sack leader Jaylon Ferguson

Khalen Saunders is a fun pick for KC too. Sticking him with Nnadi & Chris Jones should make a nice interior trio.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

And there's our mother fucking edge rusher.

[Dan]

Such a Patriot pick :drool:

He'll be a beast.

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Easy to see why people rave about him :cool:

[Dan]

Oh, and by the way, HOW IS CHAUNCEY GARNER-JOHNSON STILL ON THE BOARD?!?

Texans make the best pick so far by taking Kahale Waring, but even he might not end up being an impact starter. Still, for guy who's played 1-2 years of football in his life (I think he's the guy who had to Google 'tight end' when he was asked to play there because he literally didn't know what that was) he's done pretty well for himself & he's got some decent potential.

Patriots grab another Patriot guy in Damien Harris. They have a billion RBs now, but this might be curtains for Rex Burkhead, and if they take James Williams tomorrow then that'll be James White replaced too.

[Dan]

Seattle going back to their usual thing of drafting guys two rounds early by taking Cody Barton (might be more than two rounds early, to be honest).

Dallas pick:
Connor McGovern, Penn State (not the Connor McGovern who plays for the Broncos - kinda sad they're not on the same team though)

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fuck Pat McAfee the prick.

This must be the first time he's wearing trousers.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Shut the fuck up you twat.

[Dan]

McAfee :D

There's going to be a queue behind him by the time he's finished.

[Dan]

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Easy to see why people rave about him :cool:

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Yep, definitely an ideal Patriot.

[Dan]

Oh boy, Trey Pipkins from Sioux Falls? :D That's even more of a surprise than Tytus Howard was.

NYJ have their pick too:
Chuma Edoga, another developmental OT. Got bodied for being lazy & having a poor attitude, apparently, but we'll see what happens.

[John]

If teams use him correctly he could be an absolute monster - easily the highest ceiling WR in the class

Nope. That's N'Keal Harry. He doesn't have the same freak athleticism, I think he was somewhere in the region of 4.5 in the 40, but he's elusive for a big man and has excellent hands, based on the tape I watched which had me hoping the Browns would draft him until they traded for OBJ. There's a reason he's the first receiver Belichik has taken in the first round since he joined the Pats. I reckon he'll be OROY, barring something mental from one of the first round TEs. He'll be comfortably the best WR to come out of this draft, both immediately and long term.

Browns getting Greedy in the middle of the second then bringing in a linebacker with a terrific name in the third. :cool: They're going 12-4 this year.

Mahomes is going to properly flop this year compared to expectations. I wouldn't be surprised if he throws less than thirty touchdowns, and if he's upwards of forty I'll be fucking astonished. I'll put him at around 26-28.